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  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,718
    edited April 2015
    franklyn said:

    I am confused as to what the fuss is about "zero hours contracts". I have been on one with the NHS for the past three years. I tell them what hours I am willing to work and they pay me accordingly at £75 per hour. Obviously I don't get sick pay, holiday pay or a pension, but I already have a pension based on what was the maximum lifetime allowance so wouldn't want one that would tip me over the limit. I would refuse a permanent contract if it was offered (as it has been).

    Likewise my son who is a professional actor does work on a zero hours contract when he is between engagements. It suits him fine and he wouldn't be able or willing to take anything permanent; he regards the pay £11 per hour as reasonable and the employers are sensible and supportive. They are a large public organization. Most of his actor friends have similar arrangements for part time or sessional work.

    What world do Mr Milliband and his socialist chums live in

    Apparently some employers, particularly in the fast food industry, have a nasty habit of telling people to stand down for an hour, during which hour they are not paid. They can’t do anything else as they “may” be required after that hour.
    The Coalition has, I understand, legislated against such arrangments.

    I too have worked for the NHS, and other bodies, under similar arrangements, and as you say, they suited us fine.
    Sledgehammers and nuts come to mind!
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313
    franklyn said:

    I am confused as to what the fuss is about "zero hours contracts". I have been on one with the NHS for the past three years. I tell them what hours I am willing to work and they pay me accordingly at £75 per hour. Obviously I don't get sick pay, holiday pay or a pension, but I already have a pension based on what was the maximum lifetime allowance so wouldn't want one that would tip me over the limit. I would refuse a permanent contract if it was offered (as it has been).

    Likewise my son who is a professional actor does work on a zero hours contract when he is between engagements. It suits him fine and he wouldn't be able or willing to take anything permanent; he regards the pay £11 per hour as reasonable and the employers are sensible and supportive. They are a large public organization. Most of his actor friends have similar arrangements for part time or sessional work.

    What world do Mr Milliband and his socialist chums live in

    I think you and your son are the lucky ones who get the benefits of ZHCs without the drawbacks. But the assumption seems to be that anyone on a job that doesn't pay enough is incapable of looking for a better one. And they are nothing new, many years ago part of my job was to recruit bank nurses. (Do they still have nurse banks, or is it all agency these days?)

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,505

    malcolmg said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Dair said:

    Roger said:

    The challengers debate should be fun next week. A lefty love-in with a grinning Farage collecting Cammeron's votes from the other side.

    Unless Michael Green can organize a programme called 'one careful owner'on another channel it's difficult to see how Cameron's going to come out of this undamaged. If there's a silver lining it's that the Libs might come out of it even worse

    There's only going to be one definite loser in the Challenger Debate.

    Ed Miliband will be ripped apart.

    Farage could join him but if he's smart and plays along, says as little controversial things as possible and basically behaves he can avoid drawing attention from Sturgeon and ending up buried as bad as Miliband.

    Who's chairing it? Miliband could end up with his "Help me Rona!" moment.
    Will anyone be watching ?

    It will be like watching a Europa league quarter final with no English involvement on ITV 4.
    Normal people will be watching , the effete premiership type fans will not , huffed that their "world class" teams were dumped out in early rounds by minnows.
    Minnows like Barcelona and PSG. The global success of the English Premiership must sting.
    Monica , sitting pensively in her bedsit waiting to reply to my posts, dear dear. One day when you can get sufficient numbers of home grown players you will not need to import players to make it watchable. Same 3 or 4 teams flatter to deceive every year , 12 middling no users , and half a dozen also rans fighting to stay at the trough, brilliant.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313
    Dair said:

    I just thought of a somewhat bizarre scenario under which the SNP could form the next government of the United Kingdom. While not likely, it is actually plausible.

    Under FTPA the third largest party would get an opportunity to form a government after the incumbent and then largest/second largest party have their chance. If both are defeated on confidence or pass the opportunity given they can't maintain confidence of the house, the SNP could make the offer to the Tories. Support us on as a short term, single issue Government - a Bill to devolve all matters except Defense and Foreign Affairs, while exempting Scotland for certain aspects of current UK wide spending while disbarring Scottish MPs from voting on any matter not related to Defense and Foreign Affairs.

    There is a good reason for the Conservatives to support this, obviously there's potential risks for them too. But they might be less than the risks of an early election and UKIP gaining more ground. Meanwhile, if it is successful, all those Anti-Scottish Kippers may be attracted back to the Tories who "finally got rid of them interfering with England".

    That's brilliant, I suggest you sell the idea to Tory Central Office, it will make a great poster.

  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420

    Alternatively, she could look for another job. It's not like she doesn't have the time because she has a full time job.

    If you really have problems with your employer you can almost always leave and claim JSA - bullying, or not getting paid, for example. But surely the thing you should do if you don't like your job is look for another one?

    And the reasons Jobcentres micromanage claimants is that many of them just will not do enough, or the right things, to look for work.

    The fact that Essex-in-Tokyo believes that the consumer must subsidise an employees work - regardless of market conditions - does Essex a dis-service. No wonder us Kentish folk treat them with disdain (oh, and other areas; Sussex and Surrey come to mind)!

    :wink:
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Mr Smithson keeps saying this, and we all know why he thinks postal voting is oh so clever, but just because you have got your ballot does not mean that you have to post it back immediately. And all these ballots are not sent out on the same day, they are sent in batches.
    Its being economical with the actuality to say that for a lot of voters the election is nearly over. They still have plenty time to vote.
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    FRENCH GATE

    This has now rebounded totally on the Bitter Together combo. St Nicola is untouched indeed has added the allure of victimhood to her already not inconsiderable attractions. Salmond has written a withering assault on UK smear poltics in The National and Ailistair Carmichael "these things happen" is running for cover. Meanwhile "Fluffy" Mundell is staying silent.

    Fulffy had better watch out. Either he or Carmichael is going to take the rap for the leak and these Libs have a way of avoiding responsibility even when they are responsible!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,718

    Alternatively, she could look for another job. It's not like she doesn't have the time because she has a full time job.

    If you really have problems with your employer you can almost always leave and claim JSA - bullying, or not getting paid, for example. But surely the thing you should do if you don't like your job is look for another one?

    And the reasons Jobcentres micromanage claimants is that many of them just will not do enough, or the right things, to look for work.

    The fact that Essex-in-Tokyo believes that the consumer must subsidise an employees work - regardless of market conditions - does Essex a dis-service. No wonder us Kentish folk treat them with disdain (oh, and other areas; Sussex and Surrey come to mind)!

    :wink:
    Going South of the River (the Thames), particularly after dark has always been regarded as a peculiarly risky activity.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,505

    malcolmg said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Dair said:

    Roger said:

    The challengers debate should be fun next week. A lefty love-in with a grinning Farage collecting Cammeron's votes from the other side.

    Unless Michael Green can organize a programme called 'one careful owner'on another channel it's difficult to see how Cameron's going to come out of this undamaged. If there's a silver lining it's that the Libs might come out of it even worse

    There's only going to be one definite loser in the Challenger Debate.

    Ed Miliband will be ripped apart.

    Farage could join him but if he's smart and plays along, says as little controversial things as possible and basically behaves he can avoid drawing attention from Sturgeon and ending up buried as bad as Miliband.

    Who's chairing it? Miliband could end up with his "Help me Rona!" moment.
    Will anyone be watching ?

    It will be like watching a Europa league quarter final with no English involvement on ITV 4.
    Normal people will be watching , the effete premiership type fans will not , huffed that their "world class" teams were dumped out in early rounds by minnows.
    Minnows like Barcelona and PSG. The global success of the English Premiership must sting.
    Monica , the minnows were the premiership ones getting dumped early days. If only they were as good as the names purports.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    malcolmg said:

    MikeK said:

    What Zero Hours can actually mean:

    AlterAlterMedia retweeted
    Barnaby Spen ‏@Barnabyspeak Apr 1
    nice girl in my local turns up at 7 for work, told to go home 'cos they're not busy. Cost her £7.00 to get there and back. That zero hours

    And whilst I do feel sorry for the lass, I'm wondering why any of this is news.

    When I was a young shaver, I too had casual work down at a "local". Nothing so grand sounding as a contract (zero hours or otherwise). I would often be told to go home if the place was quiet. I would often be out of pocket for the day.

    Its news because this is the supposed full employment boom we are experiencing courtesy of the Tories. People on sham contracts being paid next to nothing so they can fiddle employment numbers and rapacious employers can avoid paying wages to staff.
    Yes there are lots of people not recorded on unemployment figures.
    For example, a jobseeker can get an occupational and personal pension of up to £50 a week before contribution-based Jobseeker’s Allowance is affected.
    I believe they lose pound for pound any entitlement after that,

    Must be plenty of people now not recorded in their late fifties early sixties, who are in reality unemployed and looking for work, who can not live on their small pension
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Dair said:

    Roger said:

    The challengers debate should be fun next week. A lefty love-in with a grinning Farage collecting Cammeron's votes from the other side.

    Unless Michael Green can organize a programme called 'one careful owner'on another channel it's difficult to see how Cameron's going to come out of this undamaged. If there's a silver lining it's that the Libs might come out of it even worse

    There's only going to be one definite loser in the Challenger Debate.

    Ed Miliband will be ripped apart.

    Farage could join him but if he's smart and plays along, says as little controversial things as possible and basically behaves he can avoid drawing attention from Sturgeon and ending up buried as bad as Miliband.

    Who's chairing it? Miliband could end up with his "Help me Rona!" moment.
    Will anyone be watching ?

    It will be like watching a Europa league quarter final with no English involvement on ITV 4.
    Normal people will be watching , the effete premiership type fans will not , huffed that their "world class" teams were dumped out in early rounds by minnows.
    Minnows like Barcelona and PSG. The global success of the English Premiership must sting.
    Monica , the minnows were the premiership ones getting dumped early days. If only they were as good as the names purports.
    Check out Chelsea's CL record
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Does anyone know a good psychotherapist?

    My youngest is at home for the Easter break and has been watching Keeping Up With the Kardashians.

    Obviously I've never seen it before but I am actually quite enjoying it even though I am well aware it is vacuous rubbish.

    Help me please!
  • Mr Smithson keeps saying this, and we all know why he thinks postal voting is oh so clever, but just because you have got your ballot does not mean that you have to post it back immediately. And all these ballots are not sent out on the same day, they are sent in batches.
    Its being economical with the actuality to say that for a lot of voters the election is nearly over. They still have plenty time to vote.

    It's not "economical with the actuality" (or even "economical with the actualité", the quote I believe you were groping for).

    Firstly, whilst they are sent out in batches, the later batches are for late-registering postal voters. The bulk do indeed go out shortly.

    Secondly, whilst postal voters can sit on their ballot up to as late as polling day if they like (you can drop it off at the polling station), you can take it from me as an activist that the vast majority don't. They send it that same weekend whilst it's in their mind. If you knock on a postal voter's door the following week (e.g. due to a filter error on the canvass cards) their votes are almost invariably cast already.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,505
    franklyn said:

    I am confused as to what the fuss is about "zero hours contracts". I have been on one with the NHS for the past three years. I tell them what hours I am willing to work and they pay me accordingly at £75 per hour. Obviously I don't get sick pay, holiday pay or a pension, but I already have a pension based on what was the maximum lifetime allowance so wouldn't want one that would tip me over the limit. I would refuse a permanent contract if it was offered (as it has been).

    Likewise my son who is a professional actor does work on a zero hours contract when he is between engagements. It suits him fine and he wouldn't be able or willing to take anything permanent; he regards the pay £11 per hour as reasonable and the employers are sensible and supportive. They are a large public organization. Most of his actor friends have similar arrangements for part time or sessional work.

    What world do Mr Milliband and his socialist chums live in

    Not all employers have the largesse of the public services. NHS has money to burn , hence why they pay you so much rather than employ someone at half that on a full time basis. Similar to your son's employer who again live off the taxpayer , easy to be generous and wasteful when you are flashing other people's money from a bottomless pit.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Morris Dancer, Charles Kennedy is seeking re-election (much to my surprise) and for obvious reasons has suspended his campaign for a few days. His father Ian was an incredibly well known person throughout Lochaber. After Alistair Carmichael, I believe Charles remains the Scottish LibDem most likely to hold on.

    Separately, I wonder when SLAB MPs will waken up and realise that their likely imminent demise is down to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown who set up Holyrood to kill off nationalism once and for always. We can see how well that has worked over the past 16 years.

    SLAB have taken that on board. Their proposals for further powers for Holyrood have, as part of them, removing as many powers from Holyrood as possible and giving them to the councils.

    They've basically abdicated getting back into power in Scotland for a decade.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    franklyn said:

    I am confused as to what the fuss is about "zero hours contracts". I have been on one with the NHS for the past three years. I tell them what hours I am willing to work and they pay me accordingly at £75 per hour. Obviously I don't get sick pay, holiday pay or a pension, but I already have a pension based on what was the maximum lifetime allowance so wouldn't want one that would tip me over the limit. I would refuse a permanent contract if it was offered (as it has been).

    Likewise my son who is a professional actor does work on a zero hours contract when he is between engagements. It suits him fine and he wouldn't be able or willing to take anything permanent; he regards the pay £11 per hour as reasonable and the employers are sensible and supportive. They are a large public organization. Most of his actor friends have similar arrangements for part time or sessional work.

    What world do Mr Milliband and his socialist chums live in

    Clearly not the same world as someone who can get paid £75 an hour for working with a colleague who is being paid substantially less by the NHS for doing the same job .
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    edited April 2015
    YouGov Scottish poll
    SNP 46% (=) Lab 29% (+2) Con 16% (-2) LD 3% (-1)

    YouGov Welsh poll
    Lab 40% (=) Con 27% (+2) UKIP 13% (-1) PC 9% (-2) LD 6% (+1)
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Dair said:

    Roger said:

    The challengers debate should be fun next week. A lefty love-in with a grinning Farage collecting Cammeron's votes from the other side.

    Unless Michael Green can organize a programme called 'one careful owner'on another channel it's difficult to see how Cameron's going to come out of this undamaged. If there's a silver lining it's that the Libs might come out of it even worse

    There's only going to be one definite loser in the Challenger Debate.

    Ed Miliband will be ripped apart.

    Farage could join him but if he's smart and plays along, says as little controversial things as possible and basically behaves he can avoid drawing attention from Sturgeon and ending up buried as bad as Miliband.

    Who's chairing it? Miliband could end up with his "Help me Rona!" moment.
    Will anyone be watching ?

    It will be like watching a Europa league quarter final with no English involvement on ITV 4.
    Normal people will be watching , the effete premiership type fans will not , huffed that their "world class" teams were dumped out in early rounds by minnows.
    Minnows like Barcelona and PSG. The global success of the English Premiership must sting.
    Monica , sitting pensively in her bedsit waiting to reply to my posts, dear dear. One day when you can get sufficient numbers of home grown players you will not need to import players to make it watchable. Same 3 or 4 teams flatter to deceive every year , 12 middling no users , and half a dozen also rans fighting to stay at the trough, brilliant.
    Your bitter unrelenting anglophobia has turned you into a tedious crank.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,505
    Yorkcity said:

    malcolmg said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Dair said:

    Roger said:

    The challengers debate should be fun next week. A lefty love-in with a grinning Farage collecting Cammeron's votes from the other side.

    Unless Michael Green can organize a programme called 'one careful owner'on another channel it's difficult to see how Cameron's going to come out of this undamaged. If there's a silver lining it's that the Libs might come out of it even worse

    There's only going to be one definite loser in the Challenger Debate.

    Ed Miliband will be ripped apart.

    Farage could join him but if he's smart and plays along, says as little controversial things as possible and basically behaves he can avoid drawing attention from Sturgeon and ending up buried as bad as Miliband.

    Who's chairing it? Miliband could end up with his "Help me Rona!" moment.
    Will anyone be watching ?

    It will be like watching a Europa league quarter final with no English involvement on ITV 4.
    Normal people will be watching , the effete premiership type fans will not , huffed that their "world class" teams were dumped out in early rounds by minnows.
    More than Hearts v Rangers on BT Sport then ?

    Hope you Scots have not over hyped this young lad after calling him the Scottish Messi.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30392738
    More fool them for missing a real game. I imagine the Scottish Messi would still leave a fair bit of leeway over the real one. But Sporting paid a lot of money for him so he must have potential at least.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited April 2015
    Never seen that one - but for vacuous rubbish I've become glued to those reality theme shows like Container Wars, Pawn Stars and Tattoo Nightmares. The US do know how to make this stuff entertaining. Safe Crackers was super! I think I watch more nonsense on TruTV than anything else.

    Does anyone know a good psychotherapist?

    My youngest is at home for the Easter break and has been watching Keeping Up With the Kardashians.

    Obviously I've never seen it before but I am actually quite enjoying it even though I am well aware it is vacuous rubbish.

    Help me please!

  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420

    'm on a 3 "All you can eat data" contract with free international data roaming for £15 a month. The art with mobiles is to buy the phone outright and operate on SIM only.

    Wrong; wrong; so fecking wrong:

    The correct way - depending on your contract - is to get the latest snazzie on a limited-term contract (be-it 12, 18 or 24 months). Then you rinse-and-repeat ad-infiniti whilst handing your legacy-brick to the missus (who will think it is the "bees-knees").

    Your missus already has a PAYG-contract: And your debt will be no-more. It is a simple solution to modern communications....
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Roger said:

    Alistaire

    "Happily read. I have a book that is almost entirely SNP weighted (bar a couple of Con value bets) so that's the kind of thing I like to see.

    I can't access the FT page. Can you tell me their predictions for the 4 Edinburgh seats?

    They mostly focus on Glasgow - the only stuff on Edinburgh is a perky quote from Ian Murray (Labour - Edinburgh South) saying the polls are good for keeping you on your toes.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    UKIP claiming if Mike Whitehead sacked why was his profile still on @Conservatives website until this morning. pic.twitter.com/JRbzbHQizP

    — Darren McCaffrey (@DMcCaffreySKY) April 6, 2015
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    MikeK said:

    UKIP claiming if Mike Whitehead sacked why was his profile still on @Conservatives website until this morning. pic.twitter.com/JRbzbHQizP

    — Darren McCaffrey (@DMcCaffreySKY) April 6, 2015


    ? -?? What has that got to do with the price of eggs? Don't people have better thing to do?
  • The Sun YouGov Scottish poll (fieldwork before last week's debate)

    SNP 46% (nc) Lab 29% (+2) Con 16% (-2) LD 3% (-1)

    Independence Q:

    Yes 46% No 48% DK/WNV 6%
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,505

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Dair said:

    Roger said:

    The challengers debate should be fun next week. A lefty love-in with a grinning Farage collecting Cammeron's votes from the other side.

    Unless Michael Green can organize a programme called 'one careful owner'on another channel it's difficult to see how Cameron's going to come out of this undamaged. If there's a silver lining it's that the Libs might come out of it even worse

    There's only going to be one definite loser in the Challenger Debate.

    Ed Miliband will be ripped apart.

    Farage could join him but if he's smart and plays along, says as little controversial things as possible and basically behaves he can avoid drawing attention from Sturgeon and ending up buried as bad as Miliband.

    Who's chairing it? Miliband could end up with his "Help me Rona!" moment.
    Will anyone be watching ?

    It will be like watching a Europa league quarter final with no English involvement on ITV 4.
    Normal people will be watching , the effete premiership type fans will not , huffed that their "world class" teams were dumped out in early rounds by minnows.
    Minnows like Barcelona and PSG. The global success of the English Premiership must sting.
    Monica , the minnows were the premiership ones getting dumped early days. If only they were as good as the names purports.
    Check out Chelsea's CL record
    Nigel , given they have bought a little success , big deal. English football is wrecked by the premiership in my opinion and has a couple of teams fighting for the championship and rest are boring. Much better watching the championship and lower leagues. Its the same old rich teams every year, less competition than we used to have in Scotland when it was Celtic or Rangers every year. German , Spanish an Italian football is far superior.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,505

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Dair said:

    Roger said:

    The challengers debate should be fun next week. A lefty love-in with a grinning Farage collecting Cammeron's votes from the other side.

    worse



    Ed Miliband will be ripped apart.

    Farage could join him but if he's smart and plays along, says as little controversial things as possible and basically behaves he can avoid drawing attention from Sturgeon and ending up buried as bad as Miliband.

    Who's chairing it? Miliband could end up with his "Help me Rona!" moment.
    Will anyone be watching ?

    It will be like watching a Europa league quarter final with no English involvement on ITV 4.
    Normal people will be watching , the effete premiership type fans will not , huffed that their "world class" teams were dumped out in early rounds by minnows.
    Minnows like Barcelona and PSG. The global success of the English Premiership must sting.
    Monica , sitting pensively in her bedsit waiting to reply to my posts, dear dear. One day when you can get sufficient numbers of home grown players you will not need to import players to make it watchable. Same 3 or 4 teams flatter to deceive every year , 12 middling no users , and half a dozen also rans fighting to stay at the trough, brilliant.
    Your bitter unrelenting anglophobia has turned you into a tedious crank.
    LOL
  • 25% of Scots Prefer Dave as PM, 24% to Ed.

    In Wales, 32% prefer Dave as PM, 32% prefer Ed

    Which means Ed isn't preferred as PM over Dave in any of the three mainland countries.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    The Sun YouGov Scottish poll (fieldwork before last week's debate)

    SNP 46% (nc) Lab 29% (+2) Con 16% (-2) LD 3% (-1)

    Independence Q:

    Yes 46% No 48% DK/WNV 6%

    Need to get Ruth Davidson on the Telly.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    edited April 2015
    More game playing from Farage I see...

    Thought he looked bloody ill during the debate though.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,165

    taffys said:

    People on sham contracts being paid next to nothing so they can fiddle employment numbers and rapacious employers can avoid paying wages to staff.

    except the numbers are tiny.

    750,000 out of a workforce of almost 31 million.

    But don;t let facts get in the way of your childish rant.

    And anyone on less than 16 hours can still claim JSA.
    But not receive any money if that part time job pays more than approx £270 per month, as I can attest. You're then in the ridiculous situation of having to sign on every 2 weeks, fill in their ridiculous job search diary and get threatened with 'sanctions', all for the square root of FA.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited April 2015
    Artist said:

    YouGov Scottish poll
    SNP 46% (=) Lab 29% (+2) Con 16% (-2) LD 3% (-1)

    YouGov Welsh poll
    Lab 40% (=) Con 27% (+2) UKIP 13% (-1) PC 9% (-2) LD 6% (+1)

    Fieldwork is from BEFORE the debate.

    It seems bizarre for the Sun to have paid for these polls when the Debates were coming. Unless they have also paid for post Debate polls as well which will appear tomorrow. Even then, the timing seems bizarre.
  • Sample size for the poll was 1,864, Fieldwork March 26th to the 31st.

    Nearly double their normal fieldwork size
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626

    25% of Scots Prefer Dave as PM, 24% to Ed.

    In Wales, 32% prefer Dave as PM, 32% prefer Ed

    Which means Ed isn't preferred as PM over Dave in any of the three mainland countries.

    What's the figure for Eng?

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    edited April 2015

    25% of Scots Prefer Dave as PM, 24% to Ed.

    In Wales, 32% prefer Dave as PM, 32% prefer Ed

    Which means Ed isn't preferred as PM over Dave in any of the three mainland countries.

    That Paxo program helped both Dave and Ed I reckon. There are alot of people who intend to vote just for whoever is on the Telly. Despite all his difficulties I think Ed has got a decent deal out of the TV stuff, he is on four times. That could be good for Labour in England.
  • Would lead to the SNP having 47 MPs and Lab with 10 MPs
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Pulpstar said:

    The Sun YouGov Scottish poll (fieldwork before last week's debate)

    SNP 46% (nc) Lab 29% (+2) Con 16% (-2) LD 3% (-1)

    Independence Q:

    Yes 46% No 48% DK/WNV 6%

    Need to get Ruth Davidson on the Telly.
    Ruth is very good, but she's on a losing ticket with the Tories north of the border.
    I think she's done well to keep the share above 15%
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Would lead to the SNP having 47 MPs and Lab with 10 MPs

    Is that on UNS ?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Pulpstar said:

    The Sun YouGov Scottish poll (fieldwork before last week's debate)

    SNP 46% (nc) Lab 29% (+2) Con 16% (-2) LD 3% (-1)

    Independence Q:

    Yes 46% No 48% DK/WNV 6%

    Need to get Ruth Davidson on the Telly.
    Ruth is very good, but she's on a losing ticket with the Tories north of the border.
    I think she's done well to keep the share above 15%
    15% works fine.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    We truly live in an insane world.

    Sky News currently have a BREAKING NEWS WE GO LIVE.

    Nick Clegg got Heckled.

    I kid you not.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. England, I can send around the enormo-haddock to slap you around the head and neck until they've knocked some sense into you.

    I also heartily recommend TA Dodge's brilliant biography of Hannibal, which will drive all thoughts of televisual trollops from your brain and fill your mind with wisdom and knowledge.
  • The Sun figures in their article don't add up

    YouGov Sun Scottish poll would translate into the following seats

    Con 3 (+2) LD 1 (-10) SNP 47 (+41) Lab 10 (-31)
  • SchardsSchards Posts: 210
    Ed Balls lying with impunity live on TV "Cameron and Osborne are going round telling people 'you've never had it so good'" can anyone give a single example of either of them ever saying this.

    Labour's thrust today is that the high rate tax cut from 50%-45% have saved 'the richest' £82,000. Which begs the question how much less 'the richest' using the same definition were paying last time Labour were in power? Presumably over £100k per term
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    edited April 2015
    MikeK said:

    UKIP claiming if Mike Whitehead sacked why was his profile still on @Conservatives website until this morning. pic.twitter.com/JRbzbHQizP

    — Darren McCaffrey (@DMcCaffreySKY) April 6, 2015


    They aren't claiming he was sacked, they are stating he was sacked with email evidence to prove it. Not only that Whitehead himself is stating, not claiming, he was sacked. Its not difficult to understand for those not drinking the kool aide
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Just when LibLabCon thought it was safe to get back in the water.... pic.twitter.com/MCez7hnYtb

    — David Jones (@DavidJo52951945) April 6, 2015
  • 25% of Scots Prefer Dave as PM, 24% to Ed.

    In Wales, 32% prefer Dave as PM, 32% prefer Ed

    Which means Ed isn't preferred as PM over Dave in any of the three mainland countries.

    What's the figure for Eng?

    Not sure, I think it is fairly hefty for Dave.
  • 3 Scottish Tory MPs, oh my days.

    Coral would be the toast of many PBers
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Dair, far worse than that's happened. The BBC cut from an interview with a man outside court regarding a fail bid for investigation or similar of claims of torture against Saudi Arabia to go to live footage of the England football team bus arriving in Berlin [for the World Cup].
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,505

    Pulpstar said:

    The Sun YouGov Scottish poll (fieldwork before last week's debate)

    SNP 46% (nc) Lab 29% (+2) Con 16% (-2) LD 3% (-1)

    Independence Q:

    Yes 46% No 48% DK/WNV 6%

    Need to get Ruth Davidson on the Telly.
    Ruth is very good, but she's on a losing ticket with the Tories north of the border.
    I think she's done well to keep the share above 15%
    Handicapped by being a London sockpuppet and no local autonomy. Very lucky they are still as high as 15% for sure.
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    The Sun poll is a "jumbo" poll with double the normal sample. Note the dates which confirm my view (against Mike's and many others) that the London media/ unionist assault on Salmond of two weeks ago would entrench SNP support.

    Now note this. The same type of attacks/smears on Sturgeon of last week will now consolidate the SNP support even further.

    In short the Bitter Together goose is about to be cooked.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    edited April 2015

    Question for Mr Smithson & others.

    I know this is different from the polling companies but I'm right that you're also not allowed to publish a photo of how you vote? By 'publish' I take it that means any form of social media? So you cant go into the polling booth and snap chat your vote for example? Its definitely an offence in most of the U.S.

    So how do you know your Twickenham vote swap is guaranteed? Do you send each other personal emails? And what if one gets your photo and then changes his mind about the swap? You've then got no legal redress? Curious!

    The law isn't clear on that apparently:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27486392

    The bit which isn't clear is taking the selfie. The bit which is clear is publishing it e.g. to social media. If it communicates information about the way someone has voted or is about to vote - or to communicate the unique identification number on the ballot paper then it's not allowed as the article and Electoral Commission make clear. So if you Snapchatted or instagrammed it's not allowed.

    You're allowed to take a selfie and not publish it anywhere just as your hypothetical wriggle of an opinion poll company taking the time and trouble to ask you how you voted in order not to publish the result.
    Sigh,

    again you're asking/answering the wrong question.
    If I show my friend a photo of an event, my son blowing out his birthday cake candles for example, am I "publishing" that picture? If I print it out and post a copy to my Mum, am I "publishing" it?
    If OGH takes a photo of his completed ballot, and his friend does likewise, are they "publishing" the pictures?

    No, of course they are not; don't be such a silly billy.
    In the words of Edmund Blackadder "oh dearie me." You're having a bad morning.

    To 'publish' means to make something public from the latin publicare: the two words share the same root. So showing it to a friend standing next to you is probably not publishing if you can demonstrate it was kept private not public [thats one for a lawyer]. Nowhere did I mention such a scenario so don't try another sleight of hand on me cos I aint that stupid. The moment you hit the photo button on Instagram, the Tweet sign or the Post Comment to political betting you make it public. The days when publishing was confined to the rolling print rooms in Fleet Street passed a few decades back. Putting photos and even words online in the public domain [publishing them] is prosecutable as some well known cases have shown.

    As I asked Mr Smithson [not you], how do you avoid this. Does he send a private email, as per my message? As opposed to a Snapchat which would be public. So I was right and you were wrong. Again.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Dair said:

    Roger said:

    The challengers debate should be fun next week. A lefty love-in with a grinning Farage collecting Cammeron's votes from the other side.

    Unless Michael Green can organize a programme called 'one careful owner'on another channel it's difficult to see how Cameron's going to come out of this undamaged. If there's a silver lining it's that the Libs might come out of it even worse

    There's only going to be one definite loser in the Challenger Debate.

    Ed Miliband will be ripped apart.

    Farage could join him but if he's smart and plays along, says as little controversial things as possible and basically behaves he can avoid drawing attention from Sturgeon and ending up buried as bad as Miliband.

    Who's chairing it? Miliband could end up with his "Help me Rona!" moment.
    Will anyone be watching ?

    It will be like watching a Europa league quarter final with no English involvement on ITV 4.
    Normal people will be watching , the effete premiership type fans will not , huffed that their "world class" teams were dumped out in early rounds by minnows.
    Minnows like Barcelona and PSG. The global success of the English Premiership must sting.
    Monica , the minnows were the premiership ones getting dumped early days. If only they were as good as the names purports.
    Check out Chelsea's CL record
    Nigel , given they have bought a little success , big deal. English football is wrecked by the premiership in my opinion and has a couple of teams fighting for the championship and rest are boring. Much better watching the championship and lower leagues. Its the same old rich teams every year, less competition than we used to have in Scotland when it was Celtic or Rangers every year. German , Spanish an Italian football is far superior.
    To be honest I am not a fan of the Premier League, much preferred it when we had the old First Division, when the likes of Forest and Derby could win it because they had a genius manager.

    But to say German, Spanish and Italian football is far superior is ridiculous as I am sure deep down you realise.
  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    edited April 2015

    Apparently some employers, particularly in the fast food industry, have a nasty habit of telling people to stand down for an hour, during which hour they are not paid.

    It is called a lunch-break; Unless you are a tax-funded politico. [Alex Salmond calls it a £400 expense claim apparently (even when not "working")]...!

    On-a-serious-note:

    As a manager - many moons ago - at Mickie-Ds we had written into contracts that staff could and should be released when there is no customers to serve. As a result the floor-managers where paid by the hour and we had to carry the burden.

    So nuffinck new; and nuffinck fixed under the SLabour gubbermint. If only the NHS could work as efficiently....

    :dizzy:

  • Not all councils are efficient at sending out the postal votes.
    For the 2007 Scottish elections, my postal vote didn't arrive until Monday of polling week.
    Which was a bit of a bugger since I had flown out to work in Oslo on Sunday night.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Pulpstar said:

    The Sun YouGov Scottish poll (fieldwork before last week's debate)

    SNP 46% (nc) Lab 29% (+2) Con 16% (-2) LD 3% (-1)

    Independence Q:

    Yes 46% No 48% DK/WNV 6%

    Need to get Ruth Davidson on the Telly.
    Ruth is very good, but she's on a losing ticket with the Tories north of the border.
    I think she's done well to keep the share above 15%
    The Con figure will be 16%. It is always 16%.
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    It is 46 SNP to 13 LAB on Electoral Calculus. (There are 59 Scottish seats). No Tories or Liberals whasoever but still two pandas!
  • SchardsSchards Posts: 210
    scotslass said:

    It is 46 SNP to 13 LAB on Electoral Calculus. (There are 59 Scottish seats). No Tories or Liberals whasoever but still two pandas!

    If you're a betting lass, tories are still odds on for Dumfriesshire, clydesdale and tweeddale
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Labour would gain Arfon from Plaid Cymru on the YouGov numbers, so a grand total of three seats could change hands in Wales in May.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626

    Question for Mr Smithson & others.

    The law isn't clear on that apparently:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27486392

    You're allowed to take a selfie and not publish it anywhere just as your hypothetical wriggle of an opinion poll company taking the time and trouble to ask you how you voted in order not to publish the result.
    Sigh,

    again you're asking/answering the wrong question.
    If I show my friend a photo of an event, my son blowing out his birthday cake candles for example, am I "publishing" that picture? If I print it out and post a copy to my Mum, am I "publishing" it?
    If OGH takes a photo of his completed ballot, and his friend does likewise, are they "publishing" the pictures?

    No, of course they are not; don't be such a silly billy.
    In the words of Edmund Blackadder "oh dearie me." You're having a bad morning.

    To 'publish' means to make something public from the latin publicare: the two words share the same root. So showing it to a friend standing next to you is probably not publishing if you can demonstrate it was kept private not public [thats one for a lawyer]. The moment you hit the photo button on Instagram, the Tweet sign or the Post Comment to political betting you make it public. The days when publishing was confined to the rolling print rooms in Fleet Street passed a few decades back. Putting photos and even words online in the public domain [publishing them] is prosecutable as some well known cases have shown.

    As I asked Mr Smithson [not you], how do you avoid this. Does he send a private email, as per my message? As opposed to a Snapchat which would be public. So I was right and you were wrong. Again.
    My dear Purseybear,

    on many points today we seem to have been saying the same thing. I agree with you that if you are to publish on social media you may be liable to prosecution, and I agree with you that if you publish exit polls early you would be in breaking the law.
    Perhaps you should actually read what is posted before claiming a win in a non existing argument.

    For example, you claimed I was wriggling with a hypothetical suggestion that pollsters would take the time and effort to ask a question and then not bother to publish. I claimed no such thing.

    but if it makes you feel superiorbetter, then yes you win.. Break out the bunting.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,165

    The Sun figures in their article don't add up

    YouGov Sun Scottish poll would translate into the following seats

    Con 3 (+2) LD 1 (-10) SNP 47 (+41) Lab 10 (-31)

    SLab currently have 40, Falkirk may have buggered their figures up.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Schards said:

    scotslass said:

    It is 46 SNP to 13 LAB on Electoral Calculus. (There are 59 Scottish seats). No Tories or Liberals whasoever but still two pandas!

    If you're a betting lass, tories are still odds on for Dumfriesshire, clydesdale and tweeddale
    Hills 4-6; Ladbrokes 7-4 on DCT is a guaranteed 3.7% return for the election.
  • The Sun figures in their article don't add up

    YouGov Sun Scottish poll would translate into the following seats

    Con 3 (+2) LD 1 (-10) SNP 47 (+41) Lab 10 (-31)

    SLab currently have 40, Falkirk may have buggered their figures up.
    That's what I thought, but the predicted figures were all given by the Sun, and they add up to 63 seats.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313



    In the words of Edmund Blackadder "oh dearie me." You're having a bad morning.

    To 'publish' means to make something public from the latin publicare: the two words share the same root. So showing it to a friend standing next to you is probably not publishing if you can demonstrate it was kept private not public [thats one for a lawyer]. Nowhere did I mention such a scenario so don't try another sleight of hand on me cos I aint that stupid. The moment you hit the photo button on Instagram, the Tweet sign or the Post Comment to political betting you make it public. The days when publishing was confined to the rolling print rooms in Fleet Street passed a few decades back. Putting photos and even words online in the public domain [publishing them] is prosecutable as some well known cases have shown.

    As I asked Mr Smithson [not you], how do you avoid this. Does he send a private email, as per my message? As opposed to a Snapchat which would be public. So I was right and you were wrong. Again.

    Why would a Snapchat be public? You could send it to one specific individual,
    and the photo deletes itself after a few seconds, making sure you can't accidentally share it with someone else. Like a private email or a text message, only better.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    edited April 2015

    The Sun figures in their article don't add up

    YouGov Sun Scottish poll would translate into the following seats

    Con 3 (+2) LD 1 (-10) SNP 47 (+41) Lab 10 (-31)

    SLab currently have 40, Falkirk may have buggered their figures up.
    That's what I thought, but the predicted figures were all given by the Sun, and they add up to 63 seats.
    No chance the Conservatives get 3 seats if those are the figures, Labour or the SNP would get Dumfries & Galloway.

    Con 18 and it might be in play.


  • In the words of Edmund Blackadder "oh dearie me." You're having a bad morning.

    To 'publish' means to make something public from the latin publicare: the two words share the same root. So showing it to a friend standing next to you is probably not publishing if you can demonstrate it was kept private not public [thats one for a lawyer]. Nowhere did I mention such a scenario so don't try another sleight of hand on me cos I aint that stupid. The moment you hit the photo button on Instagram, the Tweet sign or the Post Comment to political betting you make it public. The days when publishing was confined to the rolling print rooms in Fleet Street passed a few decades back. Putting photos and even words online in the public domain [publishing them] is prosecutable as some well known cases have shown.

    As I asked Mr Smithson [not you], how do you avoid this. Does he send a private email, as per my message? As opposed to a Snapchat which would be public. So I was right and you were wrong. Again.

    Why would a Snapchat be public? You could send it to one specific individual,
    and the photo deletes itself after a few seconds, making sure you can't accidentally share it with someone else. Like a private email or a text message, only better.

    Someone who shall rename nameless can confirm you can share a snap chat image with other people.

    The recipient of the snapchat, can do a screengrab on their phone, and send on that screengrab to their friends.
  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420

    The Sun figures in their article don't add up

    YouGov Sun Scottish poll would translate into the following seats

    Con 3 (+2) LD 1 (-10) SNP 47 (+41) Lab 10 (-31)

    I blame the Scottish bloke who correctly predicted the "God-particle". {Oh bugger; no I do not! Hmm; try again.]

    I blame the part of the Hadron collider roller-coaster thingy-me-bob. Especially the subsidised part in France that English tax-payers have been ripped-off for...!

    :and-breathe:
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626



    In the words of Edmund Blackadder "oh dearie me." You're having a bad morning.

    To 'publish' means to make something public from the latin publicare: the two words share the same root. So showing it to a friend standing next to you is probably not publishing if you can demonstrate it was kept private not public [thats one for a lawyer]. Nowhere did I mention such a scenario so don't try another sleight of hand on me cos I aint that stupid. The moment you hit the photo button on Instagram, the Tweet sign or the Post Comment to political betting you make it public. The days when publishing was confined to the rolling print rooms in Fleet Street passed a few decades back. Putting photos and even words online in the public domain [publishing them] is prosecutable as some well known cases have shown.

    As I asked Mr Smithson [not you], how do you avoid this. Does he send a private email, as per my message? As opposed to a Snapchat which would be public. So I was right and you were wrong. Again.

    Why would a Snapchat be public? You could send it to one specific individual,
    and the photo deletes itself after a few seconds, making sure you can't accidentally share it with someone else. Like a private email or a text message, only better.

    Someone who shall rename nameless can confirm you can share a snap chat image with other people.

    The recipient of the snapchat, can do a screengrab on their phone, and send on that screengrab to their friends.
    At the risk of looking like a hypothetical wriggler, surely this is the same as somebody taking a photo of a letter you sent them in confidence and sharing that on facebook say?

    The act of screen-grabbing the pic to bypass the snapchat "security" features means that the published pic is not the one that you sent, but an unauthorised copy...?
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    @Morris_Dancer

    "I've got a Kindle (e-reader, not tablet)."

    I should hope so too. I'd go so far as to suggest that the Kindle is, and will remain, one of the top three inventions of the 21st Century.

    I have e-reader applications on my mobile telephone and they are fine for use on a train, bus or anywhere one is sitting down. However, they suffer from one tiny but fatal flaw - they are useless for reading in bed. They are too small and the screen requires to much human intervention. Whereas the Kindle, with a cunningly designed stand (mine is made from a couple of old wire coat hangers and some plastic tubing), can be used perfectly well without extending so much as a finger-tip from under the bed clothes.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    Artist said:

    Labour would gain Arfon from Plaid Cymru on the YouGov numbers, so a grand total of three seats could change hands in Wales in May.

    Cardiff North and Central one assumes. Though Ceredigion, and Brecon and Radnor are in play too I'd think as possible PC and Tory gains. I suspect the Libs harbour thoughts of Montgomery as one of a handful of possible gains but I'd doubt it. Suspect a bit more time has to pass to delembitise the local brand?

    The one question I'd flag about Cardiff Central which should be and probably is going to go for Ed is where are all the zillions of students registered now to vote? Here or " home"? Labour want them switching en bloc in Cardiff not spread out around the country. Anyone know how this works because it's probably the key variable demographic in this seat?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313



    In the words of Edmund Blackadder "oh dearie me." You're having a bad morning.

    To 'publish' means to make something public from the latin publicare: the two words share the same root. So showing it to a friend standing next to you is probably not publishing if you can demonstrate it was kept private not public [thats one for a lawyer]. Nowhere did I mention such a scenario so don't try another sleight of hand on me cos I aint that stupid. The moment you hit the photo button on Instagram, the Tweet sign or the Post Comment to political betting you make it public. The days when publishing was confined to the rolling print rooms in Fleet Street passed a few decades back. Putting photos and even words online in the public domain [publishing them] is prosecutable as some well known cases have shown.

    As I asked Mr Smithson [not you], how do you avoid this. Does he send a private email, as per my message? As opposed to a Snapchat which would be public. So I was right and you were wrong. Again.

    Why would a Snapchat be public? You could send it to one specific individual,
    and the photo deletes itself after a few seconds, making sure you can't accidentally share it with someone else. Like a private email or a text message, only better.

    Someone who shall rename nameless can confirm you can share a snap chat image with other people.

    The recipient of the snapchat, can do a screengrab on their phone, and send on that screengrab to their friends.
    That's no more public than a private email, and Purseybear seemed to imply an email wouldn't count as "publishing".

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Llama, the Kindle's great. I also use it for latter stage redrafting (and proofreading). I've probably saved more money on ink/paper than I have on lower price books.


  • In the words of Edmund Blackadder "oh dearie me." You're having a bad morning.

    To 'publish' means to make something public from the latin publicare: the two words share the same root. So showing it to a friend standing next to you is probably not publishing if you can demonstrate it was kept private not public [thats one for a lawyer]. Nowhere did I mention such a scenario so don't try another sleight of hand on me cos I aint that stupid. The moment you hit the photo button on Instagram, the Tweet sign or the Post Comment to political betting you make it public. The days when publishing was confined to the rolling print rooms in Fleet Street passed a few decades back. Putting photos and even words online in the public domain [publishing them] is prosecutable as some well known cases have shown.

    As I asked Mr Smithson [not you], how do you avoid this. Does he send a private email, as per my message? As opposed to a Snapchat which would be public. So I was right and you were wrong. Again.

    Why would a Snapchat be public? You could send it to one specific individual,
    and the photo deletes itself after a few seconds, making sure you can't accidentally share it with someone else. Like a private email or a text message, only better.

    Someone who shall rename nameless can confirm you can share a snap chat image with other people.

    The recipient of the snapchat, can do a screengrab on their phone, and send on that screengrab to their friends.
    At the risk of looking like a hypothetical wriggler, surely this is the same as somebody taking a photo of a letter you sent them in confidence and sharing that on facebook say?

    The act of screen-grabbing the pic to bypass the snapchat "security" features means that the published pic is not the one that you sent, but an unauthorised copy...?
    Something like that.


  • In the words of Edmund Blackadder "oh dearie me." You're having a bad morning.

    To 'publish' means to make something public from the latin publicare: the two words share the same root. So showing it to a friend standing next to you is probably not publishing if you can demonstrate it was kept private not public [thats one for a lawyer]. Nowhere did I mention such a scenario so don't try another sleight of hand on me cos I aint that stupid. The moment you hit the photo button on Instagram, the Tweet sign or the Post Comment to political betting you make it public. The days when publishing was confined to the rolling print rooms in Fleet Street passed a few decades back. Putting photos and even words online in the public domain [publishing them] is prosecutable as some well known cases have shown.

    As I asked Mr Smithson [not you], how do you avoid this. Does he send a private email, as per my message? As opposed to a Snapchat which would be public. So I was right and you were wrong. Again.

    Why would a Snapchat be public? You could send it to one specific individual,
    and the photo deletes itself after a few seconds, making sure you can't accidentally share it with someone else. Like a private email or a text message, only better.

    Someone who shall rename nameless can confirm you can share a snap chat image with other people.

    The recipient of the snapchat, can do a screengrab on their phone, and send on that screengrab to their friends.
    That's no more public than a private email, and Purseybear seemed to imply an email wouldn't count as "publishing".

    I think Purseybear is wrong. As Kerry McCarthy found out, posting on Twitter is classed as publishing, I think so would email.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,505

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Dair said:

    Roger said:

    The challengers debate should be fun next week. A lefty love-in with a grinning Farage collecting Cammeron's votes from the other side.

    Unless Michael Green can organize a programme called 'one careful owner'on another channel it's difficult to see how Cameron's going to come out of this undamaged. If there's a silver lining it's that the Libs might come out of it even worse

    There's only going to be one definite loser in the Challenger Debate.

    Ed Miliband will be ripped apart.

    Farage could join him but if he's smart and plays along, says as little controversial things as possible and basically behaves he can avoid drawing attention from Sturgeon and ending up buried as bad as Miliband.

    Who's chairing it? Miliband could end up with his "Help me Rona!" moment.
    Will anyone be watching ?

    It will be like watching a Europa league quarter final with no English involvement on ITV 4.
    Normal people will be watching , the effete premiership type fans will not , huffed that their "world class" teams were dumped out in early rounds by minnows.
    Minnows like Barcelona and PSG. The global success of the English Premiership must sting.
    Monica , the minnows were the premiership ones getting dumped early days. If only they were as good as the names purports.
    Check out Chelsea's CL record
    Nigel ,
    I actually think it Nigel, I remember when the FA cup was unmissable and European tournaments were the same. I do not like premiership football at all , and champions league is a rigged money spinner that makes sure a set of teams cannot get dumped early to ensure they make lots of money. Old days when they had to play someone out of the hat , home and away and risk going out are gone. Now its just money for an elite set of top clubs.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626



    In the words of Edmund Blackadder "oh dearie me." You're having a bad morning.

    To 'publish' means to make something public from the latin publicare: the two words share the same root. So showing it to a friend standing next to you is probably not publishing if you can demonstrate it was kept private not public [thats one for a lawyer]. Nowhere did I mention such a scenario so don't try another sleight of hand on me cos I aint that stupid. The moment you hit the photo button on Instagram, the Tweet sign or the Post Comment to political betting you make it public. The days when publishing was confined to the rolling print rooms in Fleet Street passed a few decades back. Putting photos and even words online in the public domain [publishing them] is prosecutable as some well known cases have shown.

    As I asked Mr Smithson [not you], how do you avoid this. Does he send a private email, as per my message? As opposed to a Snapchat which would be public. So I was right and you were wrong. Again.

    Why would a Snapchat be public? You could send it to one specific individual,
    and the photo deletes itself after a few seconds, making sure you can't accidentally share it with someone else. Like a private email or a text message, only better.

    Someone who shall rename nameless can confirm you can share a snap chat image with other people.

    The recipient of the snapchat, can do a screengrab on their phone, and send on that screengrab to their friends.
    That's no more public than a private email, and Purseybear seemed to imply an email wouldn't count as "publishing".

    I think Purseybear is wrong. As Kerry McCarthy found out, posting on Twitter is classed as publishing, I think so would email.
    In the case of Twitter, your tweets are publicly searchable and viewable (unless you change you account settings to protected - but the default is public) - even to people not signed up to twitter.

    Email is correspondence with a targeted audience. I don't think Email can be considered publication.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313



    In the words of Edmund Blackadder "oh dearie me." You're having a bad morning.

    To 'publish' means to make something public from the latin publicare: the two words share the same root. So showing it to a friend standing next to you is probably not publishing if you can demonstrate it was kept private not public [thats one for a lawyer]. Nowhere did I mention such a scenario so don't try another sleight of hand on me cos I aint that stupid. The moment you hit the photo button on Instagram, the Tweet sign or the Post Comment to political betting you make it public. The days when publishing was confined to the rolling print rooms in Fleet Street passed a few decades back. Putting photos and even words online in the public domain [publishing them] is prosecutable as some well known cases have shown.

    As I asked Mr Smithson [not you], how do you avoid this. Does he send a private email, as per my message? As opposed to a Snapchat which would be public. So I was right and you were wrong. Again.

    Why would a Snapchat be public? You could send it to one specific individual,
    and the photo deletes itself after a few seconds, making sure you can't accidentally share it with someone else. Like a private email or a text message, only better.

    Someone who shall rename nameless can confirm you can share a snap chat image with other people.

    The recipient of the snapchat, can do a screengrab on their phone, and send on that screengrab to their friends.
    That's no more public than a private email, and Purseybear seemed to imply an email wouldn't count as "publishing".

    I think Purseybear is wrong. As Kerry McCarthy found out, posting on Twitter is classed as publishing, I think so would email.
    He might be, but there is an obvious difference between sending something to one individual for their own private use (which of course can be misused) and posting it on a public Twitter account.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313
    Tables don't seem to be available for the Welsh and Scottish polls, unfortunately, YouGov are usually very good at publishing at 6am on the morning of newspaper publication, even on a Sunday.


  • In the words of Edmund Blackadder "oh dearie me." You're having a bad morning.

    To 'publish' means to make something public from the latin publicare: the two words share the same root. So showing it to a friend standing next to you is probably not publishing if you can demonstrate it was kept private not public [thats one for a lawyer]. Nowhere did I mention such a scenario so don't try another sleight of hand on me cos I aint that stupid. The moment you hit the photo button on Instagram, the Tweet sign or the Post Comment to political betting you make it public. The days when publishing was confined to the rolling print rooms in Fleet Street passed a few decades back. Putting photos and even words online in the public domain [publishing them] is prosecutable as some well known cases have shown.

    As I asked Mr Smithson [not you], how do you avoid this. Does he send a private email, as per my message? As opposed to a Snapchat which would be public. So I was right and you were wrong. Again.

    Why would a Snapchat be public? You could send it to one specific individual,
    and the photo deletes itself after a few seconds, making sure you can't accidentally share it with someone else. Like a private email or a text message, only better.

    Someone who shall rename nameless can confirm you can share a snap chat image with other people.

    The recipient of the snapchat, can do a screengrab on their phone, and send on that screengrab to their friends.
    That's no more public than a private email, and Purseybear seemed to imply an email wouldn't count as "publishing".

    I think Purseybear is wrong. As Kerry McCarthy found out, posting on Twitter is classed as publishing, I think so would email.
    In the case of Twitter, your tweets are publicly searchable and viewable (unless you change you account settings to protected - but the default is public) - even to people not signed up to twitter.

    Email is correspondence with a targeted audience. I don't think Email can be considered publication.
    True
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Barber, I agree with that perspective on publishing.
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    edited April 2015
    welshowl said:

    Artist said:

    Labour would gain Arfon from Plaid Cymru on the YouGov numbers, so a grand total of three seats could change hands in Wales in May.

    Cardiff North and Central one assumes. Though Ceredigion, and Brecon and Radnor are in play too I'd think as possible PC and Tory gains. I suspect the Libs harbour thoughts of Montgomery as one of a handful of possible gains but I'd doubt it. Suspect a bit more time has to pass to delembitise the local brand?

    The one question I'd flag about Cardiff Central which should be and probably is going to go for Ed is where are all the zillions of students registered now to vote? Here or " home"? Labour want them switching en bloc in Cardiff not spread out around the country. Anyone know how this works because it's probably the key variable demographic in this seat?
    Spoke to the PC Ceredigion candidate today - he does not have a clue. He is an author from Wolverhampton who happens to have moved from there over the last few years. He did not even know that his leader is to the left of Labour and is an avid Republican. Also PC has no sort of economic plan but more money.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    I've run through UK Elect's model and they have 43% SNP vote; with turnout precisely the same as last time and the SNP on 47 seats.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    edited April 2015

    taffys said:

    People on sham contracts being paid next to nothing so they can fiddle employment numbers and rapacious employers can avoid paying wages to staff.

    except the numbers are tiny.

    750,000 out of a workforce of almost 31 million.

    But don;t let facts get in the way of your childish rant.

    And anyone on less than 16 hours can still claim JSA.
    But not receive any money if that part time job pays more than approx £270 per month, as I can attest. You're then in the ridiculous situation of having to sign on every 2 weeks, fill in their ridiculous job search diary and get threatened with 'sanctions', all for the square root of FA.
    It's really stupid, if you work between 10 and 16 hours per week and earn the minimum wage you lose unemployment benefits, but if you work more than 17 or more hours a week for the same amount of money you are entitled to working tax credits so someone who has less work is penalised by the system for basically no reason despite both people being on basically the same (or less) wages.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    I've been thinking about getting a Kindle, but am just not certain - I'm told it's better for reading than using an e-book app on a Tablet, but I do currently have a tablet in any case, so is the reading so much better on a Kindle that it is worth getting as well?
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    Financier said:

    welshowl said:

    Artist said:

    Labour would gain Arfon from Plaid Cymru on the YouGov numbers, so a grand total of three seats could change hands in Wales in May.

    Cardiff North and Central one assumes. Though Ceredigion, and Brecon and Radnor are in play too I'd think as possible PC and Tory gains. I suspect the Libs harbour thoughts of Montgomery as one of a handful of possible gains but I'd doubt it. Suspect a bit more time has to pass to delembitise the local brand?

    The one question I'd flag about Cardiff Central which should be and probably is going to go for Ed is where are all the zillions of students registered now to vote? Here or " home"? Labour want them switching en bloc in Cardiff not spread out around the country. Anyone know how this works because it's probably the key variable demographic in this seat?
    Spoke to the PC Ceredigion candidate today - he does not have a clue. He is an author from Wolverhampton who happens to have moved from there over the last few years. He did not even know that his leader is to the left of Labour and is an avid Republican. Also PC has no sort of economic plan but more money.
    Wolverhampton am byth then!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Pulpstar said:

    I've run through UK Elect's model and they have 43% SNP vote; with turnout precisely the same as last time and the SNP on 47 seats.

    Glasgow NE is being held by ~ 12%, and is the last Labour seat to drop.

    Rutherglen & Hamilton West is reckoned to be held onto by ~ 10%. Glenrothes and Inverclyde should also be holds according to their model
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    kle4 said:

    I've been thinking about getting a Kindle, but am just not certain - I'm told it's better for reading than using an e-book app on a Tablet, but I do currently have a tablet in any case, so is the reading so much better on a Kindle that it is worth getting as well?

    Yes, they are like £60 for the non-advert supported one as well. If you read a lot they are worth getting. Much easier on the eyes than an LCD screen.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. kle4, can't compare the two, but an e-reader (Kindle) is very easy on the eyes, just about as easy as paper. Far nicer than reading from a [normal] screen.
  • ukelectukelect Posts: 140
    Pulpstar said:

    The Sun figures in their article don't add up

    YouGov Sun Scottish poll would translate into the following seats

    Con 3 (+2) LD 1 (-10) SNP 47 (+41) Lab 10 (-31)

    SLab currently have 40, Falkirk may have buggered their figures up.
    That's what I thought, but the predicted figures were all given by the Sun, and they add up to 63 seats.
    No chance the Conservatives get 3 seats if those are the figures, Labour or the SNP would get Dumfries & Galloway.

    Con 18 and it might be in play.
    I would predict those figures as SNP 50, Lab 7, Con 1, LD 1 (UK-Elect v9.4 method)
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313
    MaxPB said:

    taffys said:

    People on sham contracts being paid next to nothing so they can fiddle employment numbers and rapacious employers can avoid paying wages to staff.

    except the numbers are tiny.

    750,000 out of a workforce of almost 31 million.

    But don;t let facts get in the way of your childish rant.

    And anyone on less than 16 hours can still claim JSA.
    But not receive any money if that part time job pays more than approx £270 per month, as I can attest. You're then in the ridiculous situation of having to sign on every 2 weeks, fill in their ridiculous job search diary and get threatened with 'sanctions', all for the square root of FA.
    It's really stupid, if you work between 10 and 16 hours per week and earn the minimum wage you lose unemployment benefits, but if you work more than 17 or more hours a week for the same amount of money you are entitled to working tax credits so someone who has less work is penalised by the system for basically no reason despite both people being on basically the same wages.
    There are two reasons to continue signing on if you are working <16hpw. One is that your JSA doesn't get stopped until you actually get paid the first time, so it helps to tide you over the first few weeks. The second is that if you are on variable hours, then you can get JSA in any week you get paid less than £67.

    It's actually 16 hours for working tax credit, but you have to be disabled, have been claiming ESA or be a lone parent to claim at 16 hours. For most people it is 30 hours, for a couple with children I believe it is 24 hours between you. This is something that is going to be addressed by Universal Credit (indeed, has already started to be addressed by UC) as there will be a sort of sliding scale.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    @kle4 I've a PaperWhite one and it's great to be able to turn the brightness right down -otherwise I squint in the dark if it's too bright. My laptop screen is too bright even when turned right down.

    Mr. kle4, can't compare the two, but an e-reader (Kindle) is very easy on the eyes, just about as easy as paper. Far nicer than reading from a [normal] screen.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    edited April 2015
    While out walking and thinking about politics (as one does), I cannot help but think that the opposition debate, while having potential to mess things up for Miliband, seems like it could really work out well for him, even leaving aside that he should perform well given his recent performances.

    He gets to play the more reasonable statesman like Cameron attempted last time.

    The person most likely to trouble him is Sturgeon, and the terrible results in Scotland have already been factored in. As it is, if he did manage to gain a few points back in Scotland, that makes his overall task significantly easier.

    He can try to equate Farage with Cameron in peoples' minds, painting Farage as a right wing extremist that Cameron will either be working with or trying to act like. Might cost him a few points with some blue Kippers, but could make Cameron look less appealing to centrish voters.

    All in all, he doesn't have to be that lucky to have it go his way, and the Tories are relying on him being very unlucky.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    Artist said:

    Labour would gain Arfon from Plaid Cymru on the YouGov numbers, so a grand total of three seats could change hands in Wales in May.

    I wonder if Valley girl Leanne Wood will be vulnerable in Plaid's rural heartlands?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313
    Plato said:

    @kle4 I've a PaperWhite one and it's great to be able to turn the brightness right down -otherwise I squint in the dark if it's too bright. My laptop screen is too bright even when turned right down.

    Mr. kle4, can't compare the two, but an e-reader (Kindle) is very easy on the eyes, just about as easy as paper. Far nicer than reading from a [normal] screen.

    I just use Kindle on my mobile phone, I find the backlit text is fine even at a small size. But then I am not a heavy e-book reader. It's great for those occasions where you didn't think you might have to wait around (eg train delays) and haven't thought to bring anything with you to read. Or when you want to go out without a bag.


  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313

    Artist said:

    Labour would gain Arfon from Plaid Cymru on the YouGov numbers, so a grand total of three seats could change hands in Wales in May.

    I wonder if Valley girl Leanne Wood will be vulnerable in Plaid's rural heartlands?
    She is also not a great Welsh speaker if the clip I heard of her trying to speak it is anything to go by, which is quite likely if she is from the Rhondda. IIRC PC is more popular among Welsh speakers. Also an item on the BBC News reckoned Welsh Labour had stolen most of its policies and was actually quite at odds with London Labour on a number of issues, not sure how true that is and I am not sure that "running a crap health service" would be a PC policy anyway.

    (PS I always wonder why we don't refer to PC as PW, it does have an official English name).

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    My Sony Z3c screen is a bit too small to browse/read for much. Ace for music though.

    Plato said:

    @kle4 I've a PaperWhite one and it's great to be able to turn the brightness right down -otherwise I squint in the dark if it's too bright. My laptop screen is too bright even when turned right down.

    Mr. kle4, can't compare the two, but an e-reader (Kindle) is very easy on the eyes, just about as easy as paper. Far nicer than reading from a [normal] screen.

    I just use Kindle on my mobile phone, I find the backlit text is fine even at a small size. But then I am not a heavy e-book reader. It's great for those occasions where you didn't think you might have to wait around (eg train delays) and haven't thought to bring anything with you to read. Or when you want to go out without a bag.


  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Artist said:

    Labour would gain Arfon from Plaid Cymru on the YouGov numbers, so a grand total of three seats could change hands in Wales in May.

    Only three, my gods. Still, apparently none changed hands in Scotland last time, and look at what's happening now, so the continued strength of party heartlands may not last forever.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    edited April 2015
    Going through UK Elect's model and the Lab-SNP seats gives the following:

    Labour 35.9%
    SNP 41.4%

    Rounded that would be 36%
    SNP 41%

    Compared to 37/43 as published (Comres)

    I'm coming to the conclusion that Labour could very well be utterly fucked. To hold 13 seats as implied by SPIN would be a miracle at this point.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    ukelect said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The Sun figures in their article don't add up

    YouGov Sun Scottish poll would translate into the following seats

    Con 3 (+2) LD 1 (-10) SNP 47 (+41) Lab 10 (-31)

    SLab currently have 40, Falkirk may have buggered their figures up.
    That's what I thought, but the predicted figures were all given by the Sun, and they add up to 63 seats.
    No chance the Conservatives get 3 seats if those are the figures, Labour or the SNP would get Dumfries & Galloway.

    Con 18 and it might be in play.
    I would predict those figures as SNP 50, Lab 7, Con 1, LD 1 (UK-Elect v9.4 method)
    I'm running through your model, it's an utter horror story for Labour. You haven't even assumed an increase in turnout which would presumably help the Nats.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313
    Plato said:

    My Sony Z3c screen is a bit too small to browse/read for much. Ace for music though.

    Plato said:

    @kle4 I've a PaperWhite one and it's great to be able to turn the brightness right down -otherwise I squint in the dark if it's too bright. My laptop screen is too bright even when turned right down.

    Mr. kle4, can't compare the two, but an e-reader (Kindle) is very easy on the eyes, just about as easy as paper. Far nicer than reading from a [normal] screen.

    I just use Kindle on my mobile phone, I find the backlit text is fine even at a small size. But then I am not a heavy e-book reader. It's great for those occasions where you didn't think you might have to wait around (eg train delays) and haven't thought to bring anything with you to read. Or when you want to go out without a bag.


    HTC One M8, it is fine if you get the font size and background brightness right.

    I went to a (non-work) meeting the other day, read the minutes on my phone and used the document viewer to highlight things I had to do and overwrite my actions (must get a stylus).

    Later this afternoon it will track my run, give me speed and distance stats, and play music, maybe even streaming Planet Rock if I think I am bored with the music on my phone. It gives me weather forecasts and tells me when the sun will set (so I don't end up running in the rain or off road in the dark).

    This morning I was using it for PB and to read my emails. I looked up train times for a journey I will make next weekend, and used Google maps for a route and time estimate from the station to my destination.

    The one thing I can't yet use it for is to edit Wikipedia, you can do it but anything complicated is too difficult and I don't know of any apps that are really designed for editing.

    They really are getting quite useful. Use them to talk to people? What's that?

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