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  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Jonathan said:

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    The power of the Freeman ad is evident when the right try so very, very hard to discredit it.

    Not sure where the idea he is a hypocrite comes from. Is it Labour policy to stop people sending their children to private school, owning maps or using private healthcare?

    Yes. Wherever possible without direct banning.

    Nope, you are just making that up.


    It's a fair opinion based on their attitude and policies.

    It's an opinion, I guess.

    What policies does Labour espouse that lead you to think it wants to ban the ownership of maps?

    oh god, your in one of THOSE moods today.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,947

    Cyclefree said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TGOHF said:

    Roger said:

    TGOHF

    "Call me old fashioned but like Ed, the fact that he is quite happy to spawn offspring but not up to getting married which would provide security and certainty for the family says a lot about the chap"

    Not like a Tory to be judgemental about people's lifestyles. I bet you don't like poofter's either?

    A bit of a leap Roger - on the contrary Cameron legalising same sex marriage has been a long overdue move - why didn't it happen under Labour ?

    It happened thanks to Labour. A majority of Conservative MPs voted against.
    So why didn't they bring it in when they were in government? When there were even more Labour MPs?

    Exactly.

    A bit like EdM at PMQs with a straight face criticising Cam on hedgies and SDRT.

    Absolutely shameless.
    The last Labour government abolished Section 28, removed the ban on gays serving in the armed forces, made it legal for gay couples to adopt children, introduced civil partnerships, introduced equality in next of kin and pension rights, equalised the age of gay consent and so on. Each measure was vociferously opposed by the vast majority of the parliamentary Conservative Party one of whose favourite argument was ""Why is the government spending all this time on minority issues". Then there was the House of Lords that opposed each and every bill of this nature that came before it - no surprises for guessing which party's peers led that - needlessly consuming long amounts of parliamentary and legislative time. Only on PB could we then be lectured by Conservatives about shortcomings in Labour's legislative record on gay rights.
    It is precisely because of Labour's record that some of us (and I am not a Conservative btw) have asked why Labour failed - when they had the time and a huge majority - to do what a Conservative Prime Minister insisted on, in the teeth of opposition from his own party.

    Either they did not think it important enough or they did not have the courage. It does not reflect well on them. It does reflect well on Cameron, as even Ed Milliband has accepted.

    I think that we have to accept that it takes time for attitudes to change. Gay marriage is now part of life, and increasingly so around the developed world.

    You should not pick fruit until they are ready.

    Who are you calling "fruit"?
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,782
    Sean_F said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Which is going to be the most entertaining count of the night ?

    Contenders must be:

    Hallam
    Thanet South
    Portsmouth South
    Paisley & Renfrewshire South.

    Portsmouth South. Mike Hancock re-elected on 21% of the vote.

    Anywhere you can vote on which seat provides the lowest winning share of the vote and what would it be?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited April 2015
    antifrank said:

    What makes for an entertaining count? A big name biting their nails (preferably humbled), a big swing, lots of different parties interested, some proper joke candidates and (ideally) a minor scuffle. The best chances of all of those things looks to be Thanet South.


    ba dum tish...! :)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,947
    I assume it has been remarked upon in my absence, but the decline in UKIP in the polled Ashcroft seats since the previous polls is remarkable. Easy-squeezy....
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    I don't disagree with any of that. I still think Greece should have left ages ago, renegotiate with the IMF for longer terms and lower yields and told the EU/ECB to do one and not expect any repayment since most of those loans were just indirect bank bailouts.

    An orderly Grexit, with the country governed by a party with sensible economic plans, would clearly have been the best option for Greece.

    Unfortunately, they have managed to pi55 off the IMF (who described them as the worst country they've had to deal with in the 70 years of the institution), and to have a government committed to Chavez-ian policies.

    The second best option for Greece (after sensible Grexit) was to negotiate hard, and take the - incredibly generous - offer that was on the table: i.e. continued reforms and privatisations in return for lowered interest payment, increased maturities, an interest holiday, and bonds where repayment was linked to GDP growth. This was an - effective - 35-40% write off in the value of Greece's debt.

    The worst option is to fall out of the Euro having pissed everyone off and attempt to follow Communist economic policies.
    Indeed. Greece now has the worst of everything. They should have kept the IMF on side.

    Still, even this motley crew of idiots could have made it work with default and a weak currency with the IMF on side. The US would have come to the rescue as well to ensure Greece didn't fall into the Russian circle and offer Putin a warm water port.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    antifrank said:

    Smarmeron said:

    Guardian live blog :-

    "Wouter den Haan, professor of economics at the LSE and a co-director of the Centre for Macroeconomics, told BBC News this afternoon that it was “rare” for macroeconomics to agree as much as they did on the proposition that the coalition’s austerity policies had been bad for growth and jobs. (See 9.18am and 10.03am.)

    We asked our panel members whether they agree that the austerity plans of the coalition government had a positive effect on the economy in the UK. And the result is that most people disagreed with that statement. If you leave out the people who neither agreed or disagreed, 81% disagreed or strongly disagreed. It is rare that macroeconomists are that unanimous about something."

    Chris Giles ‏@ChrisGiles_ · 10m10 minutes ago
    Why the survey asking economists about austerity was... well... stupid. Spot on by @MrRBourne http://www.iea.org.uk/blog/austerity-and-silly-surveys
    They should ask them the wisdom of increasing spending by 50% in real terms over 10 years. Is the Guardian interested?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Dair said:

    antifrank said:

    Carnyx said:

    antifrank said:

    Here's a link to a site detailing some of Labour's ground activity:

    https://lab3seats.wordpress.com/

    The Scottish seats chosen for today and tomorrow are of interest.

    Mm, interesting. Margaret Curran doesn't get any help, after all, despite the arguments of late. Does it imply a prioritization?

    I wouldn't like to make negative inferences. We can, however, make positive inferences that Labour thinks that these seats are worth fighting for. To me that suggests a lack of focus, because a couple of these already look decisively lost to me.
    It's full headless chicken mode.

    Of those seven seats the only ones where they have even the remotest chance of holding on are Airdrie and Shotts and Edinburgh South. The other 5 are a completely wasted trip, you would think they would have been better going to East Ren or Paisley South.
    It's unlikely imo with him being leader and the demographics in his seat but the SNP must be dreaming of a "Murphy moment" ^_~
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    I assume it has been remarked upon in my absence, but the decline in UKIP in the polled Ashcroft seats since the previous polls is remarkable. Easy-squeezy....

    I believe you're in the Devon area. Do you know anything about the independent, Claire Wright, who is standing in East Devon? She's in to a best price of 11/2 with the bookies - is there any reason to expect her to do unusually well for an independent?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Labour would “of course” work closely with the SNP after the general election, Jim Murphy has admitted for the first time before insisting this would only happen if they were both fighting a Tory Government.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11509670/Jim-Murphy-Of-course-Labour-will-work-with-the-SNP.html

    What are the chances that this appears as:

    Labour would “of course” work closely with the SNP after the general election, Jim Murphy has admitted
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Matin Freeman seems to be getting rather a hard time I notice. I wasn't too keen on what I saw of the PPB, it seemed designed to make Tories feel bad rather than an encouragement to vote Labour, but the Tories need to ask themselves something. It sounds like Freeman has an interesting political history of his own. But why is it that millionaire luvvies who use private education can despise them so much? I myself was at school with the son of a prominent Labour supporter. There may be a degree of hypocrisy amongst some champagne socialists but I suspect many wouldn't dream of using the 'S'' word to describe themselves. Perhaps in a earlier era they might have voted for the Tory party of McMillan, even if fairly quietly if they were in certain social circles. But they wouldn't dream of voting for the party of Cameron and I don't get the feeling the Tories are in the business of changing minds.

    The party has to ask itself though. In a time of declining home ownership and job security, can they really afford to be alienating a significant element of the privileged?


    I believe Freeman is further Left-wing than the Labour party.

    He can afford to be.
    Booth is of course trolling.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,540
    antifrank said:

    What makes for an entertaining count? A big name biting their nails (preferably humbled), a big swing, lots of different parties interested, some proper joke candidates and (ideally) a minor scuffle. The best chance of all of those things looks to be Thanet South.

    Putney, 1997.

    The Mellorphant Man had to appear on the platform, standing next to a candidate dressed as a toe. Then, after he'd lost, he delivered his rant at Sir James Goldsmith, as everyone chanted "Out, Out, Out" and "Toesucker."
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    @FaisalIslam: Letter writing gets competitive...Labour releasing their own 100 signatory letter about economic policy soonish, not all businessmen
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Sean_F said:

    antifrank said:

    What makes for an entertaining count? A big name biting their nails (preferably humbled), a big swing, lots of different parties interested, some proper joke candidates and (ideally) a minor scuffle. The best chance of all of those things looks to be Thanet South.

    Putney, 1997.

    The Mellorphant Man had to appear on the platform, standing next to a candidate dressed as a toe. Then, after he'd lost, he delivered his rant at Sir James Goldsmith, as everyone chanted "Out, Out, Out" and "Toesucker."
    I indeed had that in the back of my mind.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    @FaisalIslam: Letter writing gets competitive...Labour releasing their own 100 signatory letter about economic policy soonish, not all businessmen

    Professors and other know nothings.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    @FaisalIslam: Letter writing gets competitive...Labour releasing their own 100 signatory letter about economic policy soonish, not all businessmen

    @ScottyNational: 100 business leaders letter supporting Tories:Busi For Scotland plan a SNP letter as soon as some of their members finish their paper rounds
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    antifrank said:

    Smarmeron said:

    Guardian live blog :-

    "Wouter den Haan, professor of economics at the LSE and a co-director of the Centre for Macroeconomics, told BBC News this afternoon that it was “rare” for macroeconomics to agree as much as they did on the proposition that the coalition’s austerity policies had been bad for growth and jobs. (See 9.18am and 10.03am.)

    We asked our panel members whether they agree that the austerity plans of the coalition government had a positive effect on the economy in the UK. And the result is that most people disagreed with that statement. If you leave out the people who neither agreed or disagreed, 81% disagreed or strongly disagreed. It is rare that macroeconomists are that unanimous about something."

    Chris Giles ‏@ChrisGiles_ · 10m10 minutes ago
    Why the survey asking economists about austerity was... well... stupid. Spot on by @MrRBourne http://www.iea.org.uk/blog/austerity-and-silly-surveys
    Rightwing "thinktank" doesn't like people tearing holes in rightwing assumptions about the economy.

    Shock.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Press coverage of the ComRes Labour Seats in Scotland polls is atrocious.

    Idiots don't seem to understand what the poll says.

    From http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11509670/Jim-Murphy-Of-course-Labour-will-work-with-the-SNP.html

    "an opinion poll showed Labour six points behind the SNP in the 40 Westminster seats they currently hold, enough to lose 28 of the seats but a much better result than previous surveys."
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PickardJE: Doncaster council’s website: "The (Labour) councilemploys a maximum of 300 relief staff on zero hour contracts." Miliband is a Doncaster MP.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    edited April 2015
    BenM said:

    antifrank said:

    Smarmeron said:

    Guardian live blog :-

    "Wouter den Haan, professor of economics at the LSE and a co-director of the Centre for Macroeconomics, told BBC News this afternoon that it was “rare” for macroeconomics to agree as much as they did on the proposition that the coalition’s austerity policies had been bad for growth and jobs. (See 9.18am and 10.03am.)

    We asked our panel members whether they agree that the austerity plans of the coalition government had a positive effect on the economy in the UK. And the result is that most people disagreed with that statement. If you leave out the people who neither agreed or disagreed, 81% disagreed or strongly disagreed. It is rare that macroeconomists are that unanimous about something."

    Chris Giles ‏@ChrisGiles_ · 10m10 minutes ago
    Why the survey asking economists about austerity was... well... stupid. Spot on by @MrRBourne http://www.iea.org.uk/blog/austerity-and-silly-surveys
    Rightwing "thinktank" doesn't like people tearing holes in rightwing assumptions about the economy.

    Shock.
    I quoted it largely because it was approvingly cited by the impeccably independent Chris Giles, Economics editor of the FT, who is no one's cat's paw.
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,782
    antifrank said:

    I assume it has been remarked upon in my absence, but the decline in UKIP in the polled Ashcroft seats since the previous polls is remarkable. Easy-squeezy....

    I believe you're in the Devon area. Do you know anything about the independent, Claire Wright, who is standing in East Devon? She's in to a best price of 11/2 with the bookies - is there any reason to expect her to do unusually well for an independent?
    Appears to be a popular local independent councillor (elected in 2013 with a 74% share) - http://www.claire-wright.org/
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    So Scottish Labour will work in opposition with the SNP, but not in Gov't.

    I assume that means they'll be abstaining Dave's go at a Queen's speech ?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    BenM said:

    antifrank said:

    Smarmeron said:

    Guardian live blog :-

    "Wouter den Haan, professor of economics at the LSE and a co-director of the Centre for Macroeconomics, told BBC News this afternoon that it was “rare” for macroeconomics to agree as much as they did on the proposition that the coalition’s austerity policies had been bad for growth and jobs. (See 9.18am and 10.03am.)

    We asked our panel members whether they agree that the austerity plans of the coalition government had a positive effect on the economy in the UK. And the result is that most people disagreed with that statement. If you leave out the people who neither agreed or disagreed, 81% disagreed or strongly disagreed. It is rare that macroeconomists are that unanimous about something."

    Chris Giles ‏@ChrisGiles_ · 10m10 minutes ago
    Why the survey asking economists about austerity was... well... stupid. Spot on by @MrRBourne http://www.iea.org.uk/blog/austerity-and-silly-surveys
    Rightwing "thinktank" doesn't like people tearing holes in rightwing assumptions about the economy.

    Shock.
    Leftist intellectuals don't like economic reality, prefer to stick to useless theories. Schocking news.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,378

    Labour would “of course” work closely with the SNP after the general election, Jim Murphy has admitted for the first time before insisting this would only happen if they were both fighting a Tory Government.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11509670/Jim-Murphy-Of-course-Labour-will-work-with-the-SNP.html

    What are the chances that this appears as:

    Labour would “of course” work closely with the SNP after the general election, Jim Murphy has admitted

    Not a lot. It's the diametric opposite to one of his (and the Scottish media's) two key themes of the last few weeks/months, the other being that the party with most seats always gets to rule - which last allegedly has led to obscenities live on air (but see what you think):

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/saying-what-everyones-thinking/

  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015
    http://sports.coral.co.uk/political-specials/uk/2015-tv-debates/all-men-to-wear-party-coloured-ties-2655209.html

    All Men To Wear Party Coloured Ties?

    No 6/5

    Unless I'm missing something, that's a fantastic bet.

    To be very generous with the odds;

    EdM to wear a red tie? 1/10
    Dave blue tie? 1/10
    Nick yellow tie? 1/2
    Farage purple tie? Evens

    The acca = 2.63/1

    Which you can bet against @ 6/5
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    MaxPB said:

    @FaisalIslam: Letter writing gets competitive...Labour releasing their own 100 signatory letter about economic policy soonish, not all businessmen

    Professors and other know nothings.
    Blanchflower.
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618

    Doncaster Council on zero hours contracts:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBhJNzpU0AABeDd.jpg

    Looks like the Doncaster workers are not on ZHC,they are temporary relief workers,so that is OK then.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Jonathan said:

    Danny565 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    What tax rises are Labour going to impose on the middle classes?

    We don't know, but clearly very substantial ones given what they've said about spending. At a guess I would say:

    - Restrictions on ISAs and perhaps an outright raid
    - Pension raid plus restriction or abolition of higher-rate tax relief
    - Lower threshold for higher-rate tax
    - Big increases in national insurance, disguised by labelling them as 'employers' contributions
    - Big increases in council tax, perhaps new bands (although the mechanics of this are difficult)
    - Increased stamp duty
    - Extended scope of CGT

    Admittedly all that is nowhere near enough, so it's anyone's guess where the rest is coming from. Perhaps some Labour supporters, more in tune than I am with Labour thinking, could enlighten us?
    Others are:-

    - Bankers' bonus tax
    - Mansion tax
    - Lowering the threshold for IHT and abolishing or limiting reliefs.
    - Possibly higher VAT on "luxury" items.

    - Corporation tax
    - Fiscal drag

    They'd also probably target free pensioner benefits for the middle classes (which I think is fair game to be honest, the Tories only keep them because they need the votes)

    I'd also expect big cuts in defence, and cancellations in transport. For the rest, they've made it pretty clear they're happen to hold borrowing at £30-£40bn pa ad infinitum, rather than balance the books.
    I think Labour have said they would spend more on Defence than the Tories.

    Considering defence is already down to the bone, and Labour are committed to keeping Trident (or so they say), it's hard to see that there's much scope for more cuts anyway.
    Would be hard to have a worse record on Defence than the Tories.
    The Conservative Party's record on defence is indeed dire and Cameron's so called Strategic Defence Review of 2010 was particularly ill-thought out. However, Labour has absolutely nothing to boast about in this area and a great deal to be ashamed of.
    Without using hindsight, what were the major problems in your mind with the 2010 SDR?
    The tories record of defence spending is good. The mess they inherited was dire. We now have defence spending and procurement on an even keel. The defence chiefs who complain now are the ones who stayed silent under labour.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    antifrank said:

    BenM said:

    antifrank said:

    Smarmeron said:

    Guardian live blog :-

    "Wouter den Haan, professor of economics at the LSE and a co-director of the Centre for Macroeconomics, told BBC News this afternoon that it was “rare” for macroeconomics to agree as much as they did on the proposition that the coalition’s austerity policies had been bad for growth and jobs. (See 9.18am and 10.03am.)

    We asked our panel members whether they agree that the austerity plans of the coalition government had a positive effect on the economy in the UK. And the result is that most people disagreed with that statement. If you leave out the people who neither agreed or disagreed, 81% disagreed or strongly disagreed. It is rare that macroeconomists are that unanimous about something."

    Chris Giles ‏@ChrisGiles_ · 10m10 minutes ago
    Why the survey asking economists about austerity was... well... stupid. Spot on by @MrRBourne http://www.iea.org.uk/blog/austerity-and-silly-surveys
    Rightwing "thinktank" doesn't like people tearing holes in rightwing assumptions about the economy.

    Shock.
    I quoted it largely because it was approvingly cited by the impeccably independent Chris Giles, Economics editor of the FT, who is no one's cat's paw.
    Chris Giles is a well known fan of Osborne. The FT has been disappointingly weak on the coalition although their most respected commentator Martin Wolf has been largely dismissive.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    What are the chances Labour's other Celeb endorser, David Tennant also has a Company, like Martin Freeman?

    http://www.endole.co.uk/company/05533114/sandyboy-limited

    If he was a Tory, what would Ed call him?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Dair said:

    a much better result than previous surveys."

    But there haven't been "previous surveys' other than GE2010 for these seats, have there?

    One of our Labour friends was attempting to spin this as 'progress' last night - but as far as I can see its the difference between 'disaster' and 'catastrophe' .......
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Scott_P said:

    @janemerrick23: "man up" klaxon :( MT @peterdominiczak Danny Alexander claims Ed Balls refusing a three-way debate with him and Osborne."He should man up."

    Why debate with someone who is not going to be an MP in a few weeks time?

    Ed Balls or Danny Alexander? ;-)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    edited April 2015
    Pong said:

    http://sports.coral.co.uk/political-specials/uk/2015-tv-debates/all-men-to-wear-party-coloured-ties-2655209.html

    All Men To Wear Party Coloured Ties?

    No 6/5

    Unless I'm missing something, that's a fantastic bet.

    To be very generous with the odds;

    EdM to wear a red tie? 1/10
    Dave blue tie? 1/10
    Nick yellow tie? 1/2
    Farage purple tie? Evens

    The acca = 2.63/1

    Which you can bet against @ 6/5

    It's rare you can bet against a 4 way Acca at such generous odds indeed.

    This is effectively laying 1.22 on Dave going for a blue tie, Ed a red one, Nigel a purple one and Clegg a yellow/orange one.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Pong said:

    http://sports.coral.co.uk/political-specials/uk/2015-tv-debates/all-men-to-wear-party-coloured-ties-2655209.html

    All Men To Wear Party Coloured Ties?

    No 6/5

    Unless I'm missing something, that's a fantastic bet.

    To be very generous with the odds;

    EdM to wear a red tie? 1/10
    Dave blue tie? 1/10
    Nick yellow tie? 1/2
    Farage purple tie? Evens

    The acca = 2.63/1

    Which you can bet against @ 6/5

    Also, Farage @ 4/11 in the farage vs clegg matchbet looks like a banker;

    http://sports.coral.co.uk/political-specials/uk/2015-tv-debates/2015-debate-matchbets-2655093.html
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Sturgeon to beat Bennett and Wood at 11/8 is decent with Coral.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    MaxPB said:

    Fascinating polling data from Ashcroft.

    But devastating for those of us who still harbour feint distant hopes of the Tories retaining power.

    These polls provide yet more evidence, as if we needed any more, that it just ain't gonna happen.

    Remove UKIP from the picture though, and the Tories would probably get a thin majority given with what's happening in Scotland to Labour.

    "Fruitcakes and loonies" could well be Cameron's epitaph. It sunk his hopes of a second term.

    Are we looking at the same set of polls? UKIP are sliding and the Cons are up. If the same is replicated in Con/Lab and Lab/Con marginals then Dave is in with a chance of at least being the largest party.
    But is this not another bout of desperate trolling this time from Mr Sykes
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    edited April 2015
    Pong said:

    Pong said:

    http://sports.coral.co.uk/political-specials/uk/2015-tv-debates/all-men-to-wear-party-coloured-ties-2655209.html

    All Men To Wear Party Coloured Ties?

    No 6/5

    Unless I'm missing something, that's a fantastic bet.

    To be very generous with the odds;

    EdM to wear a red tie? 1/10
    Dave blue tie? 1/10
    Nick yellow tie? 1/2
    Farage purple tie? Evens

    The acca = 2.63/1

    Which you can bet against @ 6/5

    Also, Farage @ 4/11 in the farage vs clegg matchbet looks like a banker;

    http://sports.coral.co.uk/political-specials/uk/2015-tv-debates/2015-debate-matchbets-2655093.html
    This bet was even better value earlier ;)
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited April 2015

    Dair said:

    a much better result than previous surveys."

    But there haven't been "previous surveys' other than GE2010 for these seats, have there?

    One of our Labour friends was attempting to spin this as 'progress' last night - but as far as I can see its the difference between 'disaster' and 'catastrophe' .......
    Nope, no previous polls like this, the press idiots are just referencing the Scottish national polls like the muppets they are.

    One of the muppets in The Scotsman wrote that the outcome would be SNP 30, Labour 29 on total seats.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    a much better result than previous surveys."

    But there haven't been "previous surveys' other than GE2010 for these seats, have there?

    One of our Labour friends was attempting to spin this as 'progress' last night - but as far as I can see its the difference between 'disaster' and 'catastrophe' .......
    Nope, no previous polls like this, the press idiots are just referencing the Scottish national polls like the muppets they are.
    Journalism and an understanding of statistics don't really ever seem to meet though.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    I don't disagree with any of that. I still think Greece should have left ages ago, renegotiate with the IMF for longer terms and lower yields and told the EU/ECB to do one and not expect any repayment since most of those loans were just indirect bank bailouts.

    An orderly Grexit, with the country governed by a party with sensible economic plans, would clearly have been the best option for Greece.

    Unfortunately, they have managed to pi55 off the IMF (who described them as the worst country they've had to deal with in the 70 years of the institution), and to have a government committed to Chavez-ian policies.

    The second best option for Greece (after sensible Grexit) was to negotiate hard, and take the - incredibly generous - offer that was on the table: i.e. continued reforms and privatisations in return for lowered interest payment, increased maturities, an interest holiday, and bonds where repayment was linked to GDP growth. This was an - effective - 35-40% write off in the value of Greece's debt.

    The worst option is to fall out of the Euro having pissed everyone off and attempt to follow Communist economic policies.
    Indeed. Greece now has the worst of everything. They should have kept the IMF on side.

    Still, even this motley crew of idiots could have made it work with default and a weak currency with the IMF on side. The US would have come to the rescue as well to ensure Greece didn't fall into the Russian circle and offer Putin a warm water port.
    This made me laugh. Almost incompetent enough to be real!

    http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/04/01/yanis-varoufakis-greece-will-adopt-the-bitcoin-if-eurogroup-doesnt-give-us-a-deal/
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
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  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    @FaisalIslam: Letter writing gets competitive...Labour releasing their own 100 signatory letter about economic policy soonish, not all businessmen

    We must close the letter writing gap.
    Best I think to be preemptive with your letter writing strikes
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited April 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Which is going to be the most entertaining count of the night ?

    Contenders must be:

    Hallam
    Thanet South
    Portsmouth South
    Paisley & Renfrewshire South.

    Portsmouth South. Mike Hancock re-elected on 21% of the vote.

    Mike has assured me that Gerald Vernon Jackson can walk on water.
    Keeping it classy:

    Cllr Vernon-Jackson has faced scrutiny after he said on television last year – when he was leader of Portsmouth City Council – that ‘this is a civil case that’s been launched by one person trying to get some money from somebody else’.
    http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/i-shouldn-t-have-defended-mike-hancock-says-lib-dem-leader-gerald-vernon-jackson-1-6129170
  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420

    Plato said:

    I got Kipper too. Unsurprisingly. I'm a political mutt here.

    O/T The Telegraph site has a little quiz this morning designed to say which party most matches your views. A little amusement as it asks about how important you think a proposal is as well as whether you agree with it or do not care. Apparently I match most closely with UKIP, which is hardly a surprise.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11471048/who-should-I-vote-for.html


    Perhaps all responses just give you Kipper. That's one way to influence how people vote.

    I got 63% Labour and 63% Conservative 54% LibDem.

    Put me down for a floating voter!

    I got:

    69% Tory
    66% UKIP
    61% Lib-Dhimmie.

    I'll put you down (as a quack)....

    :bring-back-fox-hunting:

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