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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited April 2015

    more ZHC fun and games

    BBC website:
    Chris Leslie says Labour would write the legislation in a way that prevents employers from terminating employment when the 12-week period it's specifying comes to an end. "You can frame the legislation in a way that doesn't allow that kind of perverse circumstance to happen," he says.

    This is fascinating. Effectively a ZHC contract will give the employee significantly more rights than an employee on a permanent contract (who has pretty much none for the first 12 months)

    policy making "on the fly"

    Another career MP with basically zero experience of business....

    CV
    --

    BA in Politics & Parliamentary Studies
    MA in Industrial and Labour Studies
    MP
    Labour Think Tank
    MP

    But if you have £100k to give to Labour, he is all ears on how policy could be improved.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pulpstar said:

    I note Bet365 changed their prices very quickly.

    Whoever is the trader there is on the ball :)

    They have several traders, not all of whom agree with each other!
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Plato said:

    I got Kipper too. Unsurprisingly. I'm a political mutt here.

    O/T The Telegraph site has a little quiz this morning designed to say which party most matches your views. A little amusement as it asks about how important you think a proposal is as well as whether you agree with it or do not care. Apparently I match most closely with UKIP, which is hardly a surprise.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11471048/who-should-I-vote-for.html


    Perhaps all responses just give you Kipper. That's one way to influence how people vote.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I despair at this stupidity. Even given I won't vote Labour - MPs really ought to have a clue along with their office.

    more ZHC fun and games

    BBC website:
    Chris Leslie says Labour would write the legislation in a way that prevents employers from terminating employment when the 12-week period it's specifying comes to an end. "You can frame the legislation in a way that doesn't allow that kind of perverse circumstance to happen," he says.

    This is fascinating. Effectively a ZHC contract will give the employee significantly more rights than an employee on a permanent contract (who has pretty much none for the first 12 months)

    policy making "on the fly"

    Another career MP with basically zero experience of business....

    CV
    --

    BA in Politics & Parliamentary Studies
    MA in Industrial and Labour Studies
    MP
    Labour Think Tank
    MP

    But if you have £100k to give to Labour, he is all ears on how policy could be improved.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135
    Pulpstar said:

    Any Lib Dems or Labour supporters in Rochester who would like to vote trade with me in Sheffield Hallam, please vanilla message me.

    "This deal is getting worse all the time!"
    I've dropped you an email already.

    You are free to vote how you feel in Ilford North, I am going to vote tactically here in Sheffield Hallam for the Cleggmeister.

    May God Have Mercy Upon My Soul
    "But that was never a condition of our agreement, nor was giving Han to this bounty hunter!"

    Paging Sunil, paging Sunil.

    I am here @Pulpstar!
  • Plato said:

    I got Kipper too. Unsurprisingly. I'm a political mutt here.

    O/T The Telegraph site has a little quiz this morning designed to say which party most matches your views. A little amusement as it asks about how important you think a proposal is as well as whether you agree with it or do not care. Apparently I match most closely with UKIP, which is hardly a surprise.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11471048/who-should-I-vote-for.html


    Perhaps all responses just give you Kipper. That's one way to influence how people vote.

    Your views match best with the LibDems. Cute app.


  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    This is fun telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/11508637/April-Fools-Day-2015-the-best-education-pranks.html
    Cambridge door access upgraded to voice recognition

    Signs were posted on doors throughout the University of Cambridge this morning; informing students of a new voice recognition feature, which grants access within the building with greater ease than the existing card readers.

    Many of the brightest minds in the country were found testing out the new system this morning, and repeatedly shouting their names. This innovative new introduction proved particularly popular within the Physics department, the device was so well received that laughter was reportedly heard outside Dr Paul Coxon’s office.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Danny565 said:

    MaxPB said:

    What's interesting is that if the "go to bed with Nige, wake up with Ed" line is working in these 8 now that the campaign proper has started, the Lab/Con marginals may start looking much more favourable for the Tories as well.

    On the other hand, Labour are benefitting by squeezing the Green vote. Though the effect it has on different marginals will depend on what the previous levels of Green and UKIP support were in each individual seat, of course.
    According to the Aschroft marginal polling the greens are going nowhere fast but UKIP have seriously damaged Tory chances in a large number of seats. Any return to the Tories from UKIP VI will help the Tories defend a lot of marginals. Suddenly Enfield North looks saveable for the Tories as well as others.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Plato said:

    I got Kipper too. Unsurprisingly. I'm a political mutt here.

    O/T The Telegraph site has a little quiz this morning designed to say which party most matches your views. A little amusement as it asks about how important you think a proposal is as well as whether you agree with it or do not care. Apparently I match most closely with UKIP, which is hardly a surprise.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11471048/who-should-I-vote-for.html


    Perhaps all responses just give you Kipper. That's one way to influence how people vote.

    I got 63% Labour and 63% Conservative 54% LibDem.

    Put me down for a floating voter!

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2015
    From a first look it seems that the UKIP deflation is resulting in those ex-UKIP voters to return to their previous parties, resulting in a boost for either the Tories or the LD depending on the seat.
    This is certainly a boost for the coalition, though Clegg still losing his seat despite the increasing Tory tactical vote, shows that ex-UKIP voters prefer to vote Labour to get rid of him.

    I wonder though if ex-UKIP voters return to Labour too.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Ouch.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    MaxPB said:

    Danny565 said:

    MaxPB said:

    What's interesting is that if the "go to bed with Nige, wake up with Ed" line is working in these 8 now that the campaign proper has started, the Lab/Con marginals may start looking much more favourable for the Tories as well.

    On the other hand, Labour are benefitting by squeezing the Green vote. Though the effect it has on different marginals will depend on what the previous levels of Green and UKIP support were in each individual seat, of course.
    According to the Aschroft marginal polling the greens are going nowhere fast but UKIP have seriously damaged Tory chances in a large number of seats. Any return to the Tories from UKIP VI will help the Tories defend a lot of marginals. Suddenly Enfield North looks saveable for the Tories as well as others.
    I think UKIP have crashed and will continue to crash. I imagine the press/other parties have a store of let's-embarrass-Nigel stories - I'd expect a biggie timed to spoil tomorrow night for him.. hopefully it won't prevent him from eviscerating ed "the man who put the 'ard into Edward" miliband in the debate.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited April 2015

    more ZHC fun and games

    BBC website:
    Chris Leslie says Labour would write the legislation in a way that prevents employers from terminating employment when the 12-week period it's specifying comes to an end. "You can frame the legislation in a way that doesn't allow that kind of perverse circumstance to happen," he says.

    This is fascinating. Effectively a ZHC contract will give the employee significantly more rights than an employee on a permanent contract (who has pretty much none for the first 12 months)

    policy making "on the fly"

    Forget ZHC for the moment -- but on-the-hoof policy-making, or at least "clarification", is a consequence of Miliband's "say nothing" strategy for the past few years. Policies -- and shadow ministers -- have not been challenged.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,980
    Looking at these polls quickly the conclusion seems to be where they are up against a Tory the Lib Dems hold on where they're up against Labour they lose
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Roger said:

    Looking at these polls quickly the conclusion seems to be where they are up against a Tory the Lib Dems hold on where they're up against Labour they lose

    So Camborne and Redruth, North Devon and St Austell and Newquay are just figments of our collective imaginations? Lols.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Roger said:

    Looking at these polls quickly the conclusion seems to be where they are up against a Tory the Lib Dems hold on where they're up against Labour they lose

    Roger what rot! Tories take 2 out of 5 seats and hold one. Labour takes 1 out of 2 seats.
  • roserees64roserees64 Posts: 251
    When the Tories boast of creating 1000 jobs a day and they are full time jobs, what they mean is that people are deciding to become self employed ' cup cake ' makers etc. They avoid a trip to the job centre with the interviews associated with that and they get self employed allowances and payments. Most don't make much money but they are off the jobless list. Others are on Zero Hours contracts which by any stretch of Tory definition can't be called full time, they are also off the jobless tally.





  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    MaxPB said:

    Straw poll - ZHCs changes have gone down badly among my whatsapp group.

    Big business letter - nobody cares.

    Martin Freeman - F*** him lecturing us on how to vote

    Martin Freeman appears in a simple election broadcast, whereas 100 very rich CEOs say vote for lower taxes on us please!

    Who is doing the lecturing, pray?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533

    more ZHC fun and games

    BBC website:
    Chris Leslie says Labour would write the legislation in a way that prevents employers from terminating employment when the 12-week period it's specifying comes to an end. "You can frame the legislation in a way that doesn't allow that kind of perverse circumstance to happen," he says.

    This is fascinating. Effectively a ZHC contract will give the employee significantly more rights than an employee on a permanent contract (who has pretty much none for the first 12 months)

    policy making "on the fly"

    Forget ZHC for the moment -- but on-the-hoof policy-making, or at least "clarification", is a consequence of Miliband's "say nothing" strategy for the past few years. Policies -- and shadow ministers -- have not been challenged.
    That blank piece of paper is still well very empty...
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Joey Jones ‏@joeyjonessky 1m1 minute ago
    @nick_clegg on Sheffield Hallam: "I'm going to win".

    Case closed.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    edited April 2015
    MaxPB said:

    Roger said:

    Looking at these polls quickly the conclusion seems to be where they are up against a Tory the Lib Dems hold on where they're up against Labour they lose

    So Camborne and Redruth, North Devon and St Austell and Newquay are just figments of our collective imaginations? Lols.
    The Lib Dem incumbency effect can best be seen by looking at Camborne imo.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Roger said:

    Looking at these polls quickly the conclusion seems to be where they are up against a Tory the Lib Dems hold on where they're up against Labour they lose

    Interesting (by which I mean "batsh*t crazy") conclusion to draw given the Cambridge polling.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Ha! Lazing in the sun waiting for sardines. Like cats...
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    BenM said:

    MaxPB said:

    Straw poll - ZHCs changes have gone down badly among my whatsapp group.

    Big business letter - nobody cares.

    Martin Freeman - F*** him lecturing us on how to vote

    Martin Freeman appears in a simple election broadcast, whereas 100 very rich CEOs say vote for lower taxes on us please!

    Who is doing the lecturing, pray?
    Business people are at least successful and some people aspire to that. Anyway, as I said no one in the group seems to care about it.

    Hardly a simple election broadcast either, it was the first of the campaign so the highest profile.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    Roger said:

    Looking at these polls quickly the conclusion seems to be where they are up against a Tory the Lib Dems hold on where they're up against Labour they lose

    Interesting (by which I mean "batsh*t crazy") conclusion to draw given the Cambridge polling.
    Yes, I forgot to mention Cambridge as well where Labour seem to be nowhere.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    The odds of us witnessing this are considerably shorter than 1 in 283 billion.

    Noone will ever, ever, ever complete a bingo card in 15 balls though, of that we can be certain.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706
    MaxPB said:

    BenM said:

    MaxPB said:

    Straw poll - ZHCs changes have gone down badly among my whatsapp group.

    Big business letter - nobody cares.

    Martin Freeman - F*** him lecturing us on how to vote

    Martin Freeman appears in a simple election broadcast, whereas 100 very rich CEOs say vote for lower taxes on us please!

    Who is doing the lecturing, pray?
    Business people are at least successful and some people aspire to that. Anyway, as I said no one in the group seems to care about it.

    Hardly a simple election broadcast either, it was the first of the campaign so the highest profile.
    The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Others are on Zero Hours contracts which by any stretch of Tory definition can't be called full time, they are also off the jobless tally.

    FFS Roserees, what jobs are labour offering? If we take the experience of every labour government so far the answer is 'fewer'

  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited April 2015
    Tory-LD Switchers where Labour challenging:

    Hallam: 23%
    Cambridge: 18%

    Con-Lab swings

    Hallam: 14%
    Cambridge: 8%

    Both those swings are way above UNS. Who says Tories don't do tactical voting? It may augur well for UKIP in and around Rotherham.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    more ZHC fun and games

    BBC website:
    Chris Leslie says Labour would write the legislation in a way that prevents employers from terminating employment when the 12-week period it's specifying comes to an end. "You can frame the legislation in a way that doesn't allow that kind of perverse circumstance to happen," he says.

    This is fascinating. Effectively a ZHC contract will give the employee significantly more rights than an employee on a permanent contract (who has pretty much none for the first 12 months)

    policy making "on the fly"

    Forget ZHC for the moment -- but on-the-hoof policy-making, or at least "clarification", is a consequence of Miliband's "say nothing" strategy for the past few years. Policies -- and shadow ministers -- have not been challenged.
    Leaving aside that I think the ZHC stuff is a very good policy, I do generally agree with this. It was a very stupid move to leave all their policy announcements til the last minute. They needed to do it well in advance so that any holes in the policies could be identified and tweaked, as well as giving shadow ministers experience of arguing their case, rather than pathetically folding the second they get a challenging line of questioning.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2015
    My Ukip possibles list included a couple on this round of Ashcroft.., North Devon was a second tier selection with Camborne and Redruth an outside chance / third tier

    Seems like not much effort being made by Ukip in any of them in relation to target seats or other parties in the area

    St Austell was one of the first places I ever went on holiday, about ten of us got the train there inc grandparents it was great. We got the wrong train home and almost ended up in Wales which resulted in one of my first anxiety attacks!!
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Typical lefty, hating success. They've worked hard for their money - it's not easy beating the odds - and I'm sure some of their profits will trickle down to help water the local tradesmen on their zero-hour contracts.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited April 2015

    When the Tories boast of creating 1000 jobs a day and they are full time jobs, what they mean is that people are deciding to become self employed ' cup cake ' makers etc. They avoid a trip to the job centre with the interviews associated with that and they get self employed allowances and payments. Most don't make much money but they are off the jobless list. Others are on Zero Hours contracts which by any stretch of Tory definition can't be called full time, they are also off the jobless tally.

    Until last Wednesday, USDAW were still trying to convince Co-Op Funeral Care to end use of Zero Hours Contracts. Did the Co-Op get wind of Ed's big idea and decide to end his embarrassment?

    http://www.usdaw.org.uk/About-Us/News/2015/March/Usdaw-negotiates-an-end-to-zero-hour-contracts-at

    If it was such a bad thing, why did this group not act sooner?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Kay Burley ✔ @KayBurley

    So I'm 70% Labour according to the #sunnation poll. I think it was the ColdPlay answer that did it... http://www.sunnation.co.uk/how-labour-are-you

    lol - I think our Kay still trying to prove she's not a tory ;-)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415


    Kay Burley ✔ @KayBurley

    So I'm 70% Labour according to the #sunnation poll. I think it was the ColdPlay answer that did it... http://www.sunnation.co.uk/how-labour-are-you

    lol - I think our Kay still trying to prove she's not a tory ;-)

    I got 75% Kipper on the quiz ^^;
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,980
    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Nigel needs to go for it in a big way on Thursday.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091


    Kay Burley ✔ @KayBurley

    So I'm 70% Labour according to the #sunnation poll. I think it was the ColdPlay answer that did it... http://www.sunnation.co.uk/how-labour-are-you

    lol - I think our Kay still trying to prove she's not a tory ;-)

    It's well known that Kay Burley is a Labour supporter. I don't know where the idea she's a tory came from.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Roger said:

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Just the leader to go then.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Ashcroft best not reveal these polls to be an April Fools !
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,980
    Chestnut.

    You haven't tried the one about voting Tory gives you bigger breasts. You've tried everything else
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    Not so sure ukip continued slide is a given. Farage usually does well with airtime & he'll get some tomoz. My guess is he'll go hard at Cameron for some populist hits but that may backfire if he comes over swivel-eyed loon.

    Martin Freeman is yesterday's news. All unravelling in today's media over his hypocrisy.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    chestnut said:

    Tory-LD Switchers where Labour challenging:

    Hallam: 23%
    Cambridge: 18%

    Con-Lab swings

    Hallam: 14%
    Cambridge: 8%

    Both those swings are way above UNS. Who says Tories don't do tactical voting? It may augur well for UKIP in and around Rotherham.

    Would be an incredible journey if conservatives voting Ukip was what eventually kept Cameron in his job as PM
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    David Brown Gear Systems in Huddersfield, the factory where Ed Miliband delivered his zero-hours contracts speech, is telling journalists that it is not commenting on whether it uses zero hours contracts itself.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932

    Sheffield Hallam now shaping up to be the 'Portillo Moment' of election night...

    That really only works if Labour wins the overall election, which they won't. In the unlikely event that Clegg does lose, it will spark a wry smile of consolation rather than the joy that Portillo's defeat caused.

    Well by Portillo Moment I mean an individual deceleration worth staying up for rather than the result being a national indication.

    Given Ed Balls should be safe in his constituency I can't think of too many other potentials, Danny Alexander i guess?

    Plus Clegg strikes me as the kind of bloke who might give a David Mellor style concession speech!
    No, Mellor's in a class of his own.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2848448/I-ve-Cabinet-m-award-winning-broadcaster-m-QC-smart-little-git-David-Mellor-s-incredible-f-word-rant-taxi-driver.html
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Hallam

    2015 Labour voters (who voted for someone in 2010): 165
    2015 Lib Dem voters (who voted for someone in 2010): 185

    Labour again dependent on first timers and 2010 "did not bother" voters to get across the line.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    Pulpstar said:

    Ashcroft best not reveal these polls to be an April Fools !

    1 Midday
    2 Don't think that'd be allowed?
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    The marginal polls are a mixed bag - it's very easy to spin in two ways (good for Tories, good for LDs).

    The stand-out is Hallam. It's squeaky bum time for Nick I feel...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,644
    I would point out that both JackW and I have been singing from the Huppert hymn sheet for a while.

    I could be wrong, but I suspect Clegg will hold on in Hallam - I think there will be (just) enough Tory tactical voters to return him to the Commons.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the LibDems lost Torbay and St Ives as some UKIP voters go 'tactical'.
  • ItwasriggedItwasrigged Posts: 154
    Do Tories vote tactically? I see some seats there where they might to keep Labour out. Are the Greens eating into LD vote?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Roger said:

    Chestnut.

    You haven't tried the one about voting Tory gives you bigger breasts. You've tried everything else

    You wouldn't be able to see them properly Roger because you've always got at least one eye shut.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    I'm sure he runs an agency like all of the other luvvies.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    chestnut said:

    Hallam

    2015 Labour voters (who voted for someone in 2010): 165
    2015 Lib Dem voters (who voted for someone in 2010): 185

    Labour again dependent on first timers and 2010 "did not bother" voters to get across the line.

    That begs a biggie Q: are polls overdoing Labours share?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    The power of the Freeman ad is evident when the right try so very, very hard to discredit it.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited April 2015
    Danny565 said:


    Kay Burley ✔ @KayBurley

    So I'm 70% Labour according to the #sunnation poll. I think it was the ColdPlay answer that did it... http://www.sunnation.co.uk/how-labour-are-you

    lol - I think our Kay still trying to prove she's not a tory ;-)

    It's well known that Kay Burley is a Labour supporter. I don't know where the idea she's a tory came from.
    Well let's put it another way,the debate she preferred Cameron to Ed.


  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    What were the Conservatives promising in their advert other than motherhood and apple pie ?
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Off topic. US Presidential 2016. The Hillary email story just does not quit. She is being summonsed before a Congressional hearing to explain on record how she decided which emails to hand over to State; AP are suing for FOIA access to certain emails; and polls show that this scandal is hitting her numbers with independent voters in swing states.

    My prognosis: media groups with continue with FOIA requests using different key words, so that there will be a steady drip of yet more incredible stories, such as today stating that, according to State Department, in her years at State, Hillary only sent 4 emails on drones.

    http://www.pottsmerc.com/government-and-politics/20150331/state-dept-found-only-4-emails-about-drones-sent-by-hillary-clinton
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/31/committee-demands-clinton-appear-explain-emails/
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/03/31/poll_clintons_margin_narrows_in_key_swing_states_126105.html

    Hillary is required to appear before the Committee by 1 May. I wonder if this will bring forward her announcement so that it is done before any fall out from the hearing, or whether it will persuade her to hold off until she can gauge the damage done. Her history of caution would indicate the latter.
  • ItwasriggedItwasrigged Posts: 154
    About Martin Hypocrite Fairness well I couldn't resist this

    Gollum: We wants it, we needs it. Must have the precious. They stole it from us. Sneaky little hobbitses. Wicked, tricksy, false!

    Smeagol: No. Not master!

    Gollum: Yes, precious, false! They will cheat you, hurt you, LIEBORE
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Data tables missing for Torbay.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015

    Typical lefty, hating success. They've worked hard for their money - it's not easy beating the odds - and I'm sure some of their profits will trickle down to help water the local tradesmen on their zero-hour contracts.
    I suspect most, if not all of their profits will be reinvested. Buy enough lottery tickets and the odds of winning come down considerably.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    Why do things listed make Freeman a hypocrite? Has he come out and demanded abolition of them?

    No? So he isn't a hpocrite. Rightwing hate is so ugly.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Pong said:

    Typical lefty, hating success. They've worked hard for their money - it's not easy beating the odds - and I'm sure some of their profits will trickle down to help water the local tradesmen on their zero-hour contracts.
    I suspect most, if not all of their profits will be reinvested. Buy enough lottery tickets and the odds of winning come down considerably.
    The odds of seeing a story like this are simply not 281 Billion to one either, a shoddy understanding of probability in that story !
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    Jonathan said:

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    The power of the Freeman ad is evident when the right try so very, very hard to discredit it.

    Not sure where the idea he is a hypocrite comes from. Is it Labour policy to stop people sending their children to private school, owning maps or using private healthcare?

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706
    edited April 2015

    Tories new campaign video.

    Blimey! Did the BBC sell them rights for this or did the Tories borrow them. Either way I expect someone is in trouble.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    BenM said:

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    Why do things listed make Freeman a hypocrite? Has he come out and demanded abolition of them?

    No? So he isn't a hpocrite. Rightwing hate is so ugly.
    When the leader of the party he is advertising for says that private healthcare is unnecessary then it is hypocritical.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    Typical Lefty! Hating success!
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    MaxPB said:

    BenM said:

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    Why do things listed make Freeman a hypocrite? Has he come out and demanded abolition of them?

    No? So he isn't a hpocrite. Rightwing hate is so ugly.
    When the leader of the party he is advertising for says that private healthcare is unnecessary then it is hypocritical.

    Why?
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Jonathan said:

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    The power of the Freeman ad is evident when the right try so very, very hard to discredit it.

    Not sure where the idea he is a hypocrite comes from. Is it Labour policy to stop people sending their children to private school, owning maps or using private healthcare?

    Yes. Wherever possible without direct banning.



  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    MaxPB said:

    BenM said:

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    Why do things listed make Freeman a hypocrite? Has he come out and demanded abolition of them?

    No? So he isn't a hpocrite. Rightwing hate is so ugly.
    When the leader of the party he is advertising for says that private healthcare is unnecessary then it is hypocritical.

    Why?
    Dancing on the head of a pin again SO? Of course it is hypocritical. Just like his £120k tax avoidance.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited April 2015

    Jonathan said:

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    The power of the Freeman ad is evident when the right try so very, very hard to discredit it.

    Not sure where the idea he is a hypocrite comes from. Is it Labour policy to stop people sending their children to private school, owning maps or using private healthcare?

    This little matter with tax issue perhaps? That is pretty hypocritical to me. The having a nice house and an expensive map is here nor there.

    I will be glad for a day when nobody is attacked for using private health care or sending kids to private school with their own money, but Labour have a history of screaming from the roof tops when Tories do this, as some sort of proof that Tories aren't like "normal" people.

    Imagine the outcry if Cameron had sent his kids to private school.
  • John_NJohn_N Posts: 389
    Is there a page where someone has connected UKIP's vote share with their predicted number of seats? E.g. 10% ~ 5 seats, 15% ~ 20 seats, or whatever it is. I'm wondering at what % the graph starts going up steeper. Second derivative in other words.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672

    Jonathan said:

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    The power of the Freeman ad is evident when the right try so very, very hard to discredit it.

    Not sure where the idea he is a hypocrite comes from. Is it Labour policy to stop people sending their children to private school, owning maps or using private healthcare?

    This little matter with tax issue perhaps? That is pretty hypocritical to me.

    What tax issue?

  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    VAT was a tax hike for everyone!
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    BenM said:

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    Why do things listed make Freeman a hypocrite? Has he come out and demanded abolition of them?

    No? So he isn't a hpocrite. Rightwing hate is so ugly.
    When the leader of the party he is advertising for says that private healthcare is unnecessary then it is hypocritical.

    Why?
    Dancing on the head of a pin again SO? Of course it is hypocritical. Just like his £120k tax avoidance.

    No, it's not hypocritical. You want it to be. But that is not the same thing. And Freeman has not had any tax issues, has he?

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706
    Tories outriders clearly rattled about Freeman.

    They should probably shut up, they just draw attention to the ad. Whatever they say, Freeman will be more popular than they are.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672

    Jonathan said:

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    The power of the Freeman ad is evident when the right try so very, very hard to discredit it.

    Not sure where the idea he is a hypocrite comes from. Is it Labour policy to stop people sending their children to private school, owning maps or using private healthcare?

    Yes. Wherever possible without direct banning.

    Nope, you are just making that up.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,644

    Do Tories vote tactically? I see some seats there where they might to keep Labour out. Are the Greens eating into LD vote?

    Not normally.

    However, I think there are a limited number of circumstances where they might do this time.

    1. In LibDem-Labour seats where there is a popular LibDem MP. I would put Southwark, Cambridge, Horney and Wood Green in these categories.

    2. In certain SNP-LibDem seats. This clearly won't be true in the borders, but I think it is probable in O&S, as well as in Viscount Thurso's seat (I think he practically the only LibDem in Scotland with a meaningful personal vote). There is also a smidgen of a chance that it will happen in Gordon - Alex Salmond is enough of a bogeyman that the LibDems may get a small boost.

    Nevertheless, in general, Conservative voters are much, much less likely to vote tactically. The interesting question is - come 2020 - how will Conservative tactical voters act when UKIP has a bunch of second places?
  • Looks like Shadsy has launched a new site/portal

    Is it easier to navigate than normal?

    http://sports.ladbrokes.com/sports-central/election/
  • PBModeratorPBModerator Posts: 665
    No potentially libellous comments re. Freeman, please!
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    Jonathan said:

    Tories new campaign video.

    Blimey! Did the BBC sell them rights for this or did the Tories borrow them. Either way I expect someone is in trouble.

    If the Tories have lifted these without permission I look forward to the condemnation of all those who lambasted labour over its recent FT ad. If the BBC did give permission, then we can put all the bias stories to bed once and for all.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    I'm wondering if single people and childless couples may swing against the Conservatives after watching the ad :P
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135
    Pulpstar said:

    I'm wondering if single people and childless couples may swing against the Conservatives after watching the ad :P

    "Hardworking singletons" :lol:
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,980
    Tissue P

    " Interesting (by which I mean "batsh*t crazy") conclusion to draw given the Cambridge polling."

    Aren't the students in Cambridge who gave the Lib Dem their vote last time likely to be on their hols at the moment pinching apples?


  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,568
    JackW said:



    Not naming candidates in constituencies is half baked especially if the candidate (Clegg, Farage or Soubry :smile: ) has a high local or national profile.

    Imagine a congressional poll without naming candidates 5 weeks from an election. Certainly not.

    I'd like to see polls with named candidates too. The way to do it IMO is simply to show the ballot paper (obviously works best for online polls) without making a point telling the respondent to "think about the constituency and the candidates". Then if e.g. Clegg is on the paper, they can attach whatever importance they think fit to that.

    IMO all three of those will have a net negative impact - all well known but more people keen to keep/get them out than the reverse. But it'll be interesting to find out. Someone ought to try a comparative poll for the scientific interest anyway - we're all guessing about this.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Jonathan said:

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    The power of the Freeman ad is evident when the right try so very, very hard to discredit it.

    Not sure where the idea he is a hypocrite comes from. Is it Labour policy to stop people sending their children to private school, owning maps or using private healthcare?

    Yes. Wherever possible without direct banning.

    Nope, you are just making that up.


    It's a fair opinion based on their attitude and policies.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    JackW said:



    Not naming candidates in constituencies is half baked especially if the candidate (Clegg, Farage or Soubry :smile: ) has a high local or national profile.

    Imagine a congressional poll without naming candidates 5 weeks from an election. Certainly not.

    I'd like to see polls with named candidates too. The way to do it IMO is simply to show the ballot paper (obviously works best for online polls) without making a point telling the respondent to "think about the constituency and the candidates". Then if e.g. Clegg is on the paper, they can attach whatever importance they think fit to that.

    IMO all three of those will have a net negative impact - all well known but more people keen to keep/get them out than the reverse. But it'll be interesting to find out. Someone ought to try a comparative poll for the scientific interest anyway - we're all guessing about this.
    When the candidates are known, a simple "Enter your postcode" should work for an online pollster.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,027
    Even when the Lib Dems are apparently averaging 2% in 40 Labour seats in Scotland (down over 7/8ths) it is a little hard to match these polling results with the Lib Dem national scores.

    It does occur to me that as the Lib Dem vote gets patchier it must be more vulnerable to being underrated or even possibly overrated in national polling. As there is a lot more wasteland than pasture the odds probably favour an understatement.

    These polls suggest some success in circling the waggons and holding onto the votes where most needed. Are there enough waggons for their national score to turn out higher than feared or are the wastelands too great?

    More importantly, are there enough mixed metaphors in this post?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    BenM said:

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    Why do things listed make Freeman a hypocrite? Has he come out and demanded abolition of them?

    No? So he isn't a hpocrite. Rightwing hate is so ugly.
    When the leader of the party he is advertising for says that private healthcare is unnecessary then it is hypocritical.

    Why?
    Dancing on the head of a pin again SO? Of course it is hypocritical. Just like his £120k tax avoidance.

    No, it's not hypocritical. You want it to be. But that is not the same thing. And Freeman has not had any tax issues, has he?

    Getting his wife to declare bankruptcy is avoidance. Legal, and I would have done it in his place, but still he is advocating for a party that just made a massive fuss over tax avoidance. I am not.

    Having private healthcare and advocating for the party of nationalisation and public services is hypocritical. He doesn't use the services like normal people, how can he know what the NHS is like? How can he advocate for the party that may increase taxes on normal people to pay for an NHS he doesn't use? Or education systems his kids won't use. It is very hypocritical and you Labourites trying to defend it know Labour has made an error in using frontman, but there is no other way of hiding Ed away.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672

    Jonathan said:

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    The power of the Freeman ad is evident when the right try so very, very hard to discredit it.

    Not sure where the idea he is a hypocrite comes from. Is it Labour policy to stop people sending their children to private school, owning maps or using private healthcare?

    Yes. Wherever possible without direct banning.

    Nope, you are just making that up.


    It's a fair opinion based on their attitude and policies.

    It's an opinion, I guess.

    What policies does Labour espouse that lead you to think it wants to ban the ownership of maps?

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    If the Tories have lifted these without permission I look forward to the condemnation of all those who lambasted labour over its recent FT ad.

    You are a very curious mixture of intelligence and completely missing the point, Southam! [This is meant in a friendly way, of course!]

    No-one "lambasted labour over its recent FT ad". Plenty of people pointed out that it might be counter-productive for Labour to imply they had the support of people and companies, without asking their permission.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    edited April 2015

    Jonathan said:

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    The power of the Freeman ad is evident when the right try so very, very hard to discredit it.



    Yes. Wherever possible without direct banning.

    Nope, you are just making that up.


    It's a fair opinion based on their attitude and policies.

    What policies does Labour espouse that lead you to think it wants to ban the ownership of maps?

    Because maps show you which direction to go.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    BenM said:

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    Why do things listed make Freeman a hypocrite? Has he come out and demanded abolition of them?

    No? So he isn't a hpocrite. Rightwing hate is so ugly.
    When the leader of the party he is advertising for says that private healthcare is unnecessary then it is hypocritical.

    Why?
    Dancing on the head of a pin again SO? Of course it is hypocritical. Just like his £120k tax avoidance.

    No, it's not hypocritical. You want it to be. But that is not the same thing. And Freeman has not had any tax issues, has he?

    Getting his wife to declare bankruptcy is avoidance. Legal, and I would have done it in his place, but still he is advocating for a party that just made a massive fuss over tax avoidance. I am not.

    Having private healthcare and advocating for the party of nationalisation and public services is hypocritical. He doesn't use the services like normal people, how can he know what the NHS is like? How can he advocate for the party that may increase taxes on normal people to pay for an NHS he doesn't use? Or education systems his kids won't use. It is very hypocritical and you Labourites trying to defend it know Labour has made an error in using frontman, but there is no other way of hiding Ed away.
    Ignoring the obvious libel in line 1, Labour is actually advocating tax increases on people like him.

    He pretty much says so in the ad. You're projecting your jaundiced rightwing view of the human character where it isn't justified.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    John_N said:

    Is there a page where someone has connected UKIP's vote share with their predicted number of seats? E.g. 10% ~ 5 seats, 15% ~ 20 seats, or whatever it is. I'm wondering at what % the graph starts going up steeper. Second derivative in other words.

    I think the consensus on here is 5-20% 1-2 seats
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,980
    If I was a Labour supporter I would take heart from the Tories negative tactics. Anyone would think they were the underdog. Lets hope Labour have the courage not to follow them into the cesspit. The left always look better when leaving the pit bull tactics to their opponents
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Jonathan said:

    Roger said:

    Johathan

    "The Martin Freeman ad was great. He is at least as successful as the 100, if not more so. "

    I agree. It at least gives Labour supporters the confidence that their advertisers and researchers are up to the task.

    Except he turns out to be another hypocrite, with a child at private school, £6500 maps on his wall, and no problems with private healthcare.

    I wonder if he's on PAYE like the little people?
    The power of the Freeman ad is evident when the right try so very, very hard to discredit it.

    Not sure where the idea he is a hypocrite comes from. Is it Labour policy to stop people sending their children to private school, owning maps or using private healthcare?

    Yes. Wherever possible without direct banning.

    Nope, you are just making that up.


    It's a fair opinion based on their attitude and policies.

    It's an opinion, I guess.

    What policies does Labour espouse that lead you to think it wants to ban the ownership of maps?


    By increasing tax on the middle classes - how will they afford £6,500 maps? Only the super-rich luvvies will be allowed to purchase them.

    (Can't see the point of spending £6,500 on a map myself, but maybe it's seen as an investment).

  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited April 2015
    AAAH there you are Mr Palmer, unless you are clucking like a wet hen. what about this bet that you offered me and that I revised with winner donations to respective charities.
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