As a Conservative, I think it would be wholly dishonest and disreputable for the government to change the electorate to favour its side in a referendum. It would be the equivalent of a UKIP government raising the voting age to 25 for it. The voting age in this country is 18, and that should be the voting age in any referendum.
I agree, but we are talking about a scenario where we wouldn't have a Conservative government.
There seems to be some kind of bizarre mindset amongst the Kippers that somehow it would be Cameron's fault if, by voting against him, they bring about disagreeable consequences for the country. Utterly weird.
It would only be David Cameron's fault if he accepted the demands. I would like to think he's a decent enough chap to rule out such conditions. But I would regard him as breaking his pledge if he agreed one in a way that is engineered to favour his own side.
These Liberal Democrats really do have some cheek though. What is it about the European Union that brings out the dishonesty in people? I'm (just) in favour of our EU membership, but the constant shenanigans pro-Europeans engage with to dodge democracy does them no favours at all. I can certainly understand why people vote for Farage just to thumb their noses at the lot of them.
As a eurosceptic I would rather no referendum than a referendum which has been fixed from the start. If that was the Lib Dems terms in order to prop up the Tories I would expect the backbenchers to be mightily annoyed.
As a Conservative, I think it would be wholly dishonest and disreputable for the government to change the electorate to favour its side in a referendum. It would be the equivalent of a UKIP government raising the voting age to 25 for it. The voting age in this country is 18, and that should be the voting age in any referendum.
I agree, but we are talking about a scenario where we wouldn't have a Conservative government.
There seems to be some kind of bizarre mindset amongst the Kippers that somehow it would be Cameron's fault if, by voting against him, they bring about disagreeable consequences for the country. Utterly weird.
It would only be David Cameron's fault if he accepted the demands. I would like to think he's a decent enough chap to rule out such conditions. But I would regard him as breaking his pledge if he agreed one in a way that is engineered to favour his own side.
These Liberal Democrats really do have some cheek though. What is it about the European Union that brings out the dishonesty in people? I'm (just) in favour of our EU membership, but the constant shenanigans pro-Europeans engage with to dodge democracy does them no favours at all. I can certainly understand why people vote for Farage just to thumb their noses at the lot of them.
As a eurosceptic I would rather no referendum than a referendum which has been fixed from the start. If that was the Lib Dems terms in order to prop up the Tories I would expect the backbenchers to be mightily annoyed.
IIRC the LibDems did not want a referendum on The Lisbon Treaty they said they wanted a referendum on EU In/Out. As a former Tory MP said, we hate Labour but we despise the LibDems.
One of the main reasons I didn't stand for Ukip this time... Someone who is standing told me to prepare for my, and my families, private lives to be investigated by a firm paid by the Tories. My parents are Pensioners w high blood pressure, it didn't seem worth the risk
Alexandra Swann (@AlexandralSwann) 31/03/2015 11:17 Fascist Bullies Hounding UKIP Candidates And Supporters - Breitbart bit.ly/1MssOfh via @BreitbartNews
Yes, that looks like the poll being released early. 19% is perhaps just a hint of swingback to Labour.
This poll is in Labour constituencies after all. Are you comparing like with like?
What I find remarkable is, again, the utterly static Tory vote.
So much for them dying out, as some predicted. They are being replenished somehow!!
If you mean what I think you mean, it's a bit early to confirm or refute that hypothesis on the sort of timescale we have - still within margin of error. But it's an interesting point. They're certainly not increasing, despite some other predictions.
Why don't Clarkson may and Hammond tell theBBC to F right off and do the shows anyway without the involvement of the BBC?????
Because the BBC signed the contract in the first place?
but the BBC sacked Clarkson.. Top Gear wont happen with May and Hammond plus another at least I don't think so, so they have nothing to lose.. why should Clarkson do anything for the BBC.?
One of the main reasons I didn't stand for Ukip this time... Someone who is standing told me to prepare for my, and my families, private lives to be investigated by a firm paid by the Tories. My parents are Pensioners w high blood pressure, it didn't seem worth the risk
Alexandra Swann (@AlexandralSwann) 31/03/2015 11:17 Fascist Bullies Hounding UKIP Candidates And Supporters - Breitbart bit.ly/1MssOfh via @BreitbartNews
Whilst I don't agree with a lot of what UKIP say (no real surprise there) - I am really sorry that you (understandably) felt unable to stand as a candidate for those reasons. Democracy should be open to all, without fear or favour, where ideas are criticized and debated robustly, but personal attacks are unacceptable.
Why don't Clarkson may and Hammond tell theBBC to F right off and do the shows anyway without the involvement of the BBC?????
Because the BBC signed the contract in the first place?
but the BBC sacked Clarkson.. Top Gear wont happen with May and Hammond plus another at least I don't think so, so they have nothing to lose.. why should Clarkson do anything for the BBC.?
To earn some money/get his indy act on the road, so to speak? Plus BBC don't have to pay up.
Why don't Clarkson may and Hammond tell theBBC to F right off and do the shows anyway without the involvement of the BBC?????
Because the BBC signed the contract in the first place?
but the BBC sacked Clarkson.. Top Gear wont happen with May and Hammond plus another at least I don't think so, so they have nothing to lose.. why should Clarkson do anything for the BBC.?
To earn some money/get his indy act on the road, so to speak? Plus BBC don't have to pay up.
If I were Clarkson then I would buy back the TopGear rights from the BBC. Surely now for sale at a knockdown price...
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What I find remarkable is, again, the utterly static Tory vote.
First half of 2014 was very good (I think it was the best half of any year so far). Latter half was flat.
@stvharry: ITV News poll of Scottish seats show 19-point swing from Labour to the SNP http://t.co/TRsf0HXvrr
A deal has been done to fulfil a series of live shows that were planned before the presenter was dropped from the show for hitting a producer.
The gigs will be stripped of all BBC branding and content and will be called Clarkson, Hammond and May Live.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32137424
IIRC the LibDems did not want a referendum on The Lisbon Treaty they said they wanted a referendum on EU In/Out. As a former Tory MP said, we hate Labour but we despise the LibDems.
Alexandra Swann (@AlexandralSwann)
31/03/2015 11:17
Fascist Bullies Hounding UKIP Candidates And Supporters - Breitbart bit.ly/1MssOfh via @BreitbartNews
Key point—ComRes/ITV poll shows SNP 43 & Lab 37 but 'only' polls 40 Lab-held seats. Implied nat poll is 45 SNP/30 Lab—similar to other polls
The SNP figure seems to remain solid - Labour seem to have squeezed the rest a bit.