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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    Mrs Gove has been retweeting about Martin Freeman
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @chrisshipitv: Psephologist Prof Colin Rallings translates poll by ComRes into seats: Con 305, Lab 260, SNP 42, LibDem 18, UKIP 2. Coalition time? Hell no.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,195
    I thought the Tories would go with 'L is for Labour, L is for Lice'.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    Being reposted on places like here is the only way I would see these broadcasts.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    How quaint. They still do those?

    I think Politics went downhill when we stopped getting a five-minute chat from "The Prime Minister" on all three channels at 9pm...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited March 2015
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mrs Gove has been retweeting about Martin Freeman

    Has she? I can see retweets, but not adding anything to Staines referencing that the Hobbit and his socialist principles are not always aligned. Squaring up unpaid tax bills is for little people.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Pretty safe attempt from the Conservatives.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Straight bat PEBs. Neither is bad.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,908
    FPT
    Ishmael_X said:

    Omnium said:

    I've always thought that the word criminal implies conviction. Whereas doing something illegal suggests a window for judgement. As such I think Mike's vote swap is possibly illegal but certainly not criminal.

    Interesting, but sadly what the law is, is not a matter of personal taste, unless you are Lord Denning.
    Happily this gives me an opportunity to apologise for not being Lord Denning. One has to seize such chances in life!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    I think the Conservatives is the best one.

    Celebrity endorsements for political parties are quite a "turn-off" IMO. For anybody swayed by Martin Freeman telling them to vote Labour, more will be put off by this multi-millionaire luvvie lectuing them....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    Does anybody watch these things these days?
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mrs Gove has been retweeting about Martin Freeman

    Has she? I can see retweets, but not adding anything to Staines referencing that the Hobbit and his socialist principles are not always aligned. Squaring up unpaid tax bills is for little people.
    £120,000 pays for a few nurses.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    15 minutes to go!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Does anybody watch these things these days?

    Sometimes.

    Only the one I can remember from recent times is Dave the Chameleon one.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041
    Tories desperate to get rid of the baby-eating meme? ;)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,916
    edited March 2015
    SeanT Much of the higher growth in the UK can be attributed to its higher population growth than Germany, on a GDP per capita basis Germany remains ahead.

    As for 'being in trouble' by 2050 the UK and Germany will still be richer on a gdp per capita basis than 90% of the world's population even if China returns to its rightful place at the economic top table (which it held until the seventeenth century anyway)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited March 2015
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Does anybody watch these things these days?

    Sometimes.

    Only the one I can remember from recent times is Dave the Chameleon one.
    Did it change your vote :wink:
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    edited March 2015
    I cannot stand celebrity focused political ads. They are entitled to their opinions, and also to try to help the political party they support win our vote, but I just get suspicious right off the bat with them. Not sure why.

    Not having children myself, the Tory one does not tug at my heartstrings though. Oh, I can take in the points well enough, be convinced possibly, but obviously they are going for an emotional connection, and I'm not the target for that one.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @tnewtondunn: YouGov/Sun poll tonight: Ed Miliband's Paxo 'bounce' was actually a blip. Level pegging yet again; CON 35%, LAB 35%, UKIP 12%, LD 8%, GRN 5%
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/582652834857910272
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041
    Not as Gold Standard as I would have liked....
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Still no Labour lead for the Elbow.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Does anybody watch these things these days?

    Sometimes.

    Only the one I can remember from recent times is Dave the Chameleon one.
    Did it change your vote :wink:
    Yes.
  • RednevRednev Posts: 1
    Labour would do well to play up its celebrity supporters. With an electorate so suspicious of, and uninterested in, politicians, a few national treasures like David Tennant, JK Rowling and Alex Ferguson would boost the brand.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    Another helpful headline for Ed,

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/582652600107028480
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,195
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Does anybody watch these things these days?

    Sometimes.

    Only the one I can remember from recent times is Dave the Chameleon one.
    Don't you remember the Tory broadcast from last time saying how a hung parliament would be a disaster?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041
    Saying that, we now have reversed the reverse crossover. UKIP free-falling! LDs - http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lta21gPm3U1qhy4uu.gif

    http://goo.gl/9RfFdf
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: YouGov/Sun poll tonight: Ed Miliband's Paxo 'bounce' was actually a blip. Level pegging yet again; CON 35%, LAB 35%, UKIP 12%, LD 8%, GRN 5%

    Hell Yeah.....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,706
    FPT - I did enjoy Sky's ballot ballad:

    http://news.sky.com/video/1455601/leaders-hit-high-notes-for-votes
  • glwglw Posts: 9,955
    Rednev said:

    Labour would do well to play up its celebrity supporters. With an electorate so suspicious of, and uninterested in, politicians, a few national treasures like David Tennant, JK Rowling and Alex Ferguson would boost the brand.

    Yeah cause everybody loves Fergie, and a billionaire author telling us how to vote is a winner too.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    SeanT said:

    "HYUFD said:
    SeanT On the eurozone as a whole you are right, but within the eurozone economies like those of Germany and the Netherlands and Luxembourg are still doing well even in global terms, and while the population fall in Germany may mean the UK overtakes it in gdp terms, in gdp per capita terms that is much less likely. Even if London remains ahead of Frankfurt in the financial sector, Germany will still remain well ahead on manufacturing too"

    This is just bollocks, sorry.

    The UK had a higher GDP per capita than Germany in 2007. Currency fluctuations since then have altered this, not economic growth: the UK has grown FASTER than Germany since the 2008 Krunch.

    "Britain’s recovery from the 2008 global recession has overtaken Germany and is now better than any other leading European nation, official figures show.

    Britain’s recovery has now been better than in Germany, France or Italy, as well as Japan, and behind just Canada and the US in the G7."

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/business/economics/article4335950.ece

    Germany is in trouble. We're all in trouble. Britain might in the end do better than her neighbours.

    Austerity did not work in the Eurozone then. Maybe Keynes was right. Osborne's brief flirtation with austerity choked off the recovery inherited from Labour and flatlined us for a bit, but then Plan A morphed into Plan A (since no-one can admit changing direction) and growth resumed.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    Rednev said:

    Labour would do well to play up its celebrity supporters. With an electorate so suspicious of, and uninterested in, politicians, a few national treasures like David Tennant, JK Rowling and Alex Ferguson would boost the brand.

    Didn't they try that in 2010? Result was one of the worst defeats since 1918...

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,706
    On topic, I found Martin Freeman's broadcast embarrassing, patronising and, factually, just wrong.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited March 2015
    Strange thing is, both Labour and the Tories seem to be rising...
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    Rednev said:

    Labour would do well to play up its celebrity supporters. With an electorate so suspicious of, and uninterested in, politicians, a few national treasures like David Tennant, JK Rowling and Alex Ferguson would boost the brand.

    The Scottish crown jewels.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    edited March 2015
    Didn't someone predict a Con/Lab tie at 35/35 earlier? ;)
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Casino_Royale said:

    On topic, I found Martin Freeman's broadcast embarrassing, patronising and, factually, just wrong.

    Given his "partner" - Ed style ? - and her financial woes he is finished in this campaign.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Possible thread: 'CON 10% clear means LAB closer than 1983'! :lol:
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,195
    RodCrosby said:

    Strange thing is, both Labour and the Tories seems to be rising...

    And all the pundits keep asserting that Lab plus Con will have a lower combined share than 2010.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Another helpful headline for Ed,

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/582652600107028480

    sex by numbers, Britain's real bedroom statistics????

    Ah, you mean the other headline.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    Celebrity endorsements are probably a bit like having the media on your side - if you lack both, you'll be more likely to say people are put off by out of touch celebrities and an obviously biased media, but if you do have them, you'd never say that, and instead talk about how much it shows your arguments and positions are the best.

    Personally if I'm to be lectured by a celebrity, I'd prefer it to have a bit more distance from the parties proper. Slip clear political positions into an author avatar character, create or play political caricatures of the political sides you hate. It can be as unsubtle as they like, but at least it's not directly shilling for the grubby reality of a political party, but more the abstract idea of that party. Just a personal preference.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    Everybody up in arms about an actor who didn't pay as much taxes as they think he oughtn't to have to pay (have I got this right?). Nobody cares about the tobacco lobbyist running the government for the last two years.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    edited March 2015
    Could we forget that there is an election in a months time? This site would be a lot more fun. I might survive - I might even survive the BBC News but for the odious Huw Edwards - but it will be tough.
    PS
    I believe the BBC News have pinched Sunils poll of polls. I hope they keep their mits of Jacks ARSE.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    SeanT said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think the Conservatives is the best one.

    Celebrity endorsements for political parties are quite a "turn-off" IMO. For anybody swayed by Martin Freeman telling them to vote Labour, more will be put off by this multi-millionaire luvvie lectuing them....

    There's no doubt that Labour gets better luvvie-celebrity support.

    Yet I wonder just how many actors, musicians, TV stars, etc, are secretly Tory, but would (sensibly) never admit it?

    Speaking as a novelist, I reckon it is always a bad move to reveal an avowed political stance- such as a party membership, or helping with a PEB. Readers dislike it.

    I remember when Mother burned all her Cliff Richard calendars after Sir Cliff started holidaying with the Blairs...
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706
    Good Labour PEB. Got noticed.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    RodCrosby said:

    Strange thing is, both Labour and the Tories seem to be rising...

    Yes, the public are going against the narrative a little. Come on people, this is supposed to be the election that signals the death of our current political system, and while it might still do so depending on seats results, it is harder to argue that if the big two increase or maintain their shares.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Phone

    Ashcroft:...C 36 L 32
    ICM:.......- C 36 L 35
    ComRes..-C 36 L 32
    Ipsos........C 33 L 34

    Online

    Yougov.......C 35 L 35
    Populus.... C 34 L 34
    Panelbase.. C 34 L 34
    Opinium.... C 34 L 33
    ComRes.... C 33 L 35
    TNS............C 33 L 32
    Survation... C 32 L 33
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,916
    edited March 2015
    SeanT Well we know Lampard and Collymore are Tories, as are Andrew Strauss, Gary Barlow, Will Young, Victoria Beckham, Joan Collins, Spandau Ballet, Cilla Black, Ronnie Corbett, Jim Tarbuck and Bruce Forsyth (although Davidson now backs UKIP). I would also not be surprised about Jack Whitehall and we know Helena Bonham Carter, Damian Lewis and Dominic West are friends of the Camerons
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    EPG said:

    Everybody up in arms about an actor who didn't pay as much taxes as they think he oughtn't to have to pay (have I got this right?). Nobody cares about the tobacco lobbyist running the government for the last two years.

    Quite - whatever Freeman and his missus have done they are lefties so it's all ok.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    SandyRentool said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Strange thing is, both Labour and the Tories seems to be rising...

    And all the pundits keep asserting that Lab plus Con will have a lower combined share than 2010.
    SandyRentool said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Strange thing is, both Labour and the Tories seems to be rising...

    And all the pundits keep asserting that Lab plus Con will have a lower combined share than 2010.
    We haven't had the Snow White debate yet.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    edited March 2015
    Casino_Royale said:

    On topic, I found Martin Freeman's broadcast embarrassing, patronising and, factually, just wrong.

    He started out with one of my all time hated political implications, that 'decent' as a value is to be found on one side of the political spectrum. Brief and implied only, as is usual, but one of my least favourite. However
    Jonathan said:

    Good Labour PEB. Got noticed.

    Also probably true. It will be more widely spread than the Tory one, and I presume it will cheer or encourage more people as a result, purely on a statistical basis.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited March 2015
    HYUFD said:

    SeanT Well we know Lampard and Collymore are Tories, as are Andrew Strauss, Gary Barlow, Will Young, Victoria Beckham, Joan Collins, Spandau Ballet, Cilla Black and Bruce Forsyth (although Davidson now backs UKIP). I would also not be surprised about Jack Whitehall and we know Helena Bonham Carter, Damian Lewis and Dominic West are friends of the Camerons

    Stan Collymore is most definitely not a Tory...he will be round your house looking for trouble for suggesting such a thing. He is 25 year Labour man.

    Did you mean Sol Campbell?

    You can add Dan Snow and James Cracknell to that list.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    EPG said:

    Everybody up in arms about an actor who didn't pay as much taxes as they think he oughtn't to have to pay (have I got this right?). Nobody cares about the tobacco lobbyist running the government for the last two years.

    Nope, you got it wrong.

    Partner declared bankrupt, and avoided a £120,000 tax bill.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    RodCrosby said:

    Strange thing is, both Labour and the Tories seem to be rising...

    I struggle to believe that on "the day" Red Ed is going to get 35% of the population out to vote for him...

  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Ave_it said:

    15 minutes to go!

    LOL all about not reading the thread properly :lol:
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    edited March 2015
    Casino_Royale said:

    On topic, I found Martin Freeman's broadcast embarrassing, patronising and, factually, just wrong.

    Maybe you are a tad partisan. I thought both of them were mediocre and lacking in impact. They are aimed at each of their supporters. This is not about making converts.

  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    chestnut said:

    Phone

    Ashcroft:...C 36 L 32
    ICM:.......- C 36 L 35
    ComRes..-C 36 L 32
    Ipsos........C 33 L 34

    Online

    Yougov.......C 35 L 35
    Populus.... C 34 L 34
    Panelbase.. C 34 L 34
    Opinium.... C 34 L 33
    ComRes.... C 33 L 35
    TNS............C 33 L 32
    Survation... C 32 L 33

    The trend since Saturday night has been pretty much one-way - go blues! :)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    EPG said:

    Everybody up in arms about an actor who didn't pay as much taxes as they think he oughtn't to have to pay (have I got this right?). Nobody cares about the tobacco lobbyist running the government for the last two years.

    This will be the guy working for the Govt. that put in place plain packang for cigarettes in the face of industry hostility huh?

    Right........
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,916
    Of course in the eighties Thatcher had that huge Wembley rally addressed by Jimmy Tarbuck,Bob Monkhouse , Michael Winner and Steve Davis, and of course Kenny Everett!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsokGIeQFFI
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    edited March 2015
    GIN1138 said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Strange thing is, both Labour and the Tories seem to be rising...

    I struggle to believe that on "the day" Red Ed is going to get 35% of the population out to vote for him...

    Ed is not on my ballot paper. is he on yours?
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    EPG said:

    Everybody up in arms about an actor who didn't pay as much taxes as they think he oughtn't to have to pay (have I got this right?). Nobody cares about the tobacco lobbyist running the government for the last two years.

    Impressive to get so much wrong, in so few words. You should post more often.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    The 35% strategy, eveyone is at it.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    HYUFD said:

    SeanT Well we know Lampard and Collymore are Tories, as are Andrew Strauss, Gary Barlow, Will Young, Victoria Beckham, Joan Collins, Spandau Ballet, Cilla Black, Ronnie Corbett, Jim Tarbuck and Bruce Forsyth (although Davidson now backs UKIP). I would also not be surprised about Jack Whitehall and we know Helena Bonham Carter, Damian Lewis and Dominic West are friends of the Camerons

    Jeremy Paxman
    Andrew Neil
    Cheryl Cole
    Surely Bonham Carter is a Lib Dem?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    I think I realise now why I dislike celebrity endorsements, particularly from actors. One of the things a lot of people dislike about our political class is how coached and insincere they come across, and the former actually creates more of an impression of the latter, as if you are overly cautious and therefore prepared on how you are presenting sincere opinions and emotions, they can appear false even when they are not.

    Someone paid to evoke emotional reactions through performances could give the most heartrending and sincere statement of support for a political party ever seen and in the back of my mind I would wonder how much of it was an act.

    But given every side uses which endorsements they can, I presume the benefits of open support outweigh such cynicism.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    chestnut said:

    Phone

    Ashcroft:...C 36 L 32
    ICM:.......- C 36 L 35
    ComRes..-C 36 L 32
    Ipsos........C 33 L 34

    Online

    Yougov.......C 35 L 35
    Populus.... C 34 L 34
    Panelbase.. C 34 L 34
    Opinium.... C 34 L 33
    ComRes.... C 33 L 35
    TNS............C 33 L 32
    Survation... C 32 L 33

    Ashcroft wrong - I think
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    SandyRentool said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Strange thing is, both Labour and the Tories seems to be rising...

    And all the pundits keep asserting that Lab plus Con will have a lower combined share than 2010.
    Mind you, just checking the figures, exactly the same thing happened in 2010 at the time of the campaign start, then fell back slightly even before the the Cleggasm shattered the two-party total.

    People starting to pay attention?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    saddened said:

    EPG said:

    Everybody up in arms about an actor who didn't pay as much taxes as they think he oughtn't to have to pay (have I got this right?). Nobody cares about the tobacco lobbyist running the government for the last two years.

    Impressive to get so much wrong, in so few words.
    Sounds like a challenge that, I'm sure someone can beat that.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    saddened said:

    EPG said:

    Everybody up in arms about an actor who didn't pay as much taxes as they think he oughtn't to have to pay (have I got this right?). Nobody cares about the tobacco lobbyist running the government for the last two years.

    Impressive to get so much wrong, in so few words. You should post more often.
    Why are most of your comments contentless negative reaction to other people's comments? I'm saddened.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited March 2015
    When will Eddie Izzard get wheeled out? That normally knocks a few % off the Labour vote, despite him being a popular turn and "has done a lot of work for charity, mate".
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041
    murali_s said:

    chestnut said:

    Phone

    Ashcroft:...C 36 L 32
    ICM:.......- C 36 L 35
    ComRes..-C 36 L 32
    Ipsos........C 33 L 34

    Online

    Yougov.......C 35 L 35
    Populus.... C 34 L 34
    Panelbase.. C 34 L 34
    Opinium.... C 34 L 33
    ComRes.... C 33 L 35
    TNS............C 33 L 32
    Survation... C 32 L 33

    Ashcroft wrong - I think
    You're forgetting the PB Golden Rule!
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Now that normal service has resumed can we fall back on 'national vote shares are meaningless'?
    Ashcroft constituency polling will be interesting
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    SandyRentool said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Strange thing is, both Labour and the Tories seems to be rising...

    And all the pundits keep asserting that Lab plus Con will have a lower combined share than 2010.
    All the pundits are also asserting that the LibDems will rise back up to 14%.....

    What I haven't quite got my head round is if the Tories poll at a higher percentage than 2010, whilst UKIP are taking a sizeable chunk of that 2010 vote in safe seats. At current rates of advance this seems possible. Is this the route to a possible Tory majority? A bigger, more efficient vote?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,916
    FU Yes, campbell may have been the right one. Dan Snow is almost certainly a LD and pro PR
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: YouGov/Sun poll tonight: Ed Miliband's Paxo 'bounce' was actually a blip. Level pegging yet again; CON 35%, LAB 35%, UKIP 12%, LD 8%, GRN 5%

    A significant blip?

    Odd how a single poll (and a YG poll at that) was so readily accepted by many as the de facto result of the 1st debate, which in turn spawned a thousand predictions, news articles and melt downs. – It may also have been responsible for quite a few bets, having convinced alot of punters of the likeliest GE outcome. – Or not. :)
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    The key outer bastion of 36 holds firm. The folorn hope fought off with barrels of boiling $50 oil.
    At least the attackers have not been hoist by their own petard. Yet.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Does anybody watch these things these days?

    Sometimes.

    Only the one I can remember from recent times is Dave the Chameleon one.
    Dave the Chameleon was very entertaining.

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    murali_s said:

    GIN1138 said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Strange thing is, both Labour and the Tories seem to be rising...

    I struggle to believe that on "the day" Red Ed is going to get 35% of the population out to vote for him...

    Ed is not on my ballot paper. is he on yours?
    No but we all know Ed will be at the back of everyone's minds as the pencil hovers over the ballot paper....

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited March 2015
    HYUFD said:

    FU Yes, campbell may have been the right one. Dan Snow is almost certainly a LD and pro PR

    I thought Dan Snow was a wetter than wet LD, especially after the whole AV stuff, but by all reports he is a Tory supporter and being offered opportunities.

    It was a funny typo by you, because Collymore at the weekend was ranting at other footballers about how dare they "forget where they come from". To be fair, the footballer he was having a go at for saying he would vote Tory, gave as good as he got.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    murali_s said:

    GIN1138 said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Strange thing is, both Labour and the Tories seem to be rising...

    I struggle to believe that on "the day" Red Ed is going to get 35% of the population out to vote for him...

    Ed is not on my ballot paper. is he on yours?
    No. He's not on any election literature either. Why is that?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    edited March 2015
    murali_s said:

    GIN1138 said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Strange thing is, both Labour and the Tories seem to be rising...

    I struggle to believe that on "the day" Red Ed is going to get 35% of the population out to vote for him...

    Ed is not on my ballot paper. is he on yours?
    In addition to my suggestion of attaching a caveat to every thread about recognising most people are not aware of the political events that so occupy political obsessives like us, perhaps there should be one about how everyone knows the leaders are not going to be directly voted for, however it is undeniable that a large proportion of people vote for the party's perceived qualities, not the local candidate's (though this can certainly help), and the leader's impact on that is significant even if it is not decisive.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,916
    EPG And Ant McPartlin, at least in 2010. Bonham Carter may be Tory for Cameron, she has said he is a liberal really, and Tracey Emin has also voted Tory because 'he introduced gay marriage'
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133
    YG is the Gold Standard LOL
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    HYUFD said:

    FU Yes, campbell may have been the right one. Dan Snow is almost certainly a LD and pro PR

    I thought Dan Snow was a wetter than wet LD, especially after the whole AV stuff, but by all reports he is a Tory supporter and being offered opportunities.
    How many Tories are (secretly, when nobody's looking) adding up the UKIP+CON polling numbers, particularly in England, and wondering whether it would have been such a bad thing to lose the AV referendum after all?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Does anybody watch these things these days?

    Sometimes.

    Only the one I can remember from recent times is Dave the Chameleon one.
    Dave the Chameleon was very entertaining.

    It was.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRKhTQHrtdk
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    edited March 2015
    kle4 said:

    I think I realise now why I dislike celebrity endorsements, particularly from actors. One of the things a lot of people dislike about our political class is how coached and insincere they come across, and the former actually creates more of an impression of the latter, as if you are overly cautious and therefore prepared on how you are presenting sincere opinions and emotions, they can appear false even when they are not.

    Someone paid to evoke emotional reactions through performances could give the most heartrending and sincere statement of support for a political party ever seen and in the back of my mind I would wonder how much of it was an act.

    But given every side uses which endorsements they can, I presume the benefits of open support outweigh such cynicism.

    Ironically, I bet celebrity endorsements are more often sincere expressions of sentiment, while ads featuring "ordinary people" are more often stage-managed by the ad men. The power of perception!
  • frpenkridgefrpenkridge Posts: 670
    Who is Sherlock Holmes going to vote for?
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    EPG said:

    saddened said:

    EPG said:

    Everybody up in arms about an actor who didn't pay as much taxes as they think he oughtn't to have to pay (have I got this right?). Nobody cares about the tobacco lobbyist running the government for the last two years.

    Impressive to get so much wrong, in so few words. You should post more often.
    Why are most of your comments contentless negative reaction to other people's comments? I'm saddened.
    I think it's mainly because I dislike it when people post things that are so blatantly incorrect. It's what saddens me.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133
    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Does anybody watch these things these days?

    Sometimes.

    Only the one I can remember from recent times is Dave the Chameleon one.
    Dave the Chameleon was very entertaining.

    And the Fire Up the Quattro billboard!
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,142
    Jonathan said:

    Good Labour PEB. Got noticed.

    By Guido?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Cameron interviewed by James Chapman for the Daily Mail - 'We'll create a job for everyone that wants one': Cameron pledges to create highest employment rate in developed world in exclusive interview with the Mail

    "On Speaker John Bercow - 'After the Tories failed to oust Mr Bercow (above), who they accuse of bias, in a plot last week, Mr Cameron said archly: ‘I’m sure he will find a way to demonstrate what a unifying figure he is across out great Parliament.’"



  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    edited March 2015
    EPG said:

    kle4 said:

    I think I realise now why I dislike celebrity endorsements, particularly from actors. One of the things a lot of people dislike about our political class is how coached and insincere they come across, and the former actually creates more of an impression of the latter, as if you are overly cautious and therefore prepared on how you are presenting sincere opinions and emotions, they can appear false even when they are not.

    Someone paid to evoke emotional reactions through performances could give the most heartrending and sincere statement of support for a political party ever seen and in the back of my mind I would wonder how much of it was an act.

    But given every side uses which endorsements they can, I presume the benefits of open support outweigh such cynicism.

    Ironically, I bet celebrity endorsements are more often sincere expressions of sentiment, while ads featuring "ordinary people" are more often stage-managed by the ad men. The power of perception!
    Indeed! A celebrity presumably volunteered to do a piece and the party cannot make them say something they don't support or they'll bail, and yet I'd probably be more inclined to believe, at an instinctive level, something a paid actor or 'real person' says. I can take into account that they are doing it for the money, whereas the motives and depth of support from the celebrity is more nebulous and uncertain. Perhaps unfair of me.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    frpenkridge said:

    Who is Sherlock Holmes going to vote for?

    Well Robert Downey Junior is a Republican, he became a Republican after a stint in prison.

    Oh you're talking about Benedict Cumberbatch.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited March 2015
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Does anybody watch these things these days?

    Sometimes.

    Only the one I can remember from recent times is Dave the Chameleon one.
    Dave the Chameleon was very entertaining.

    And the Fire Up the Quattro billboard!
    Launched by the chuckle brothers,

    http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01746/quattro_1746584c.jpg
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    frpenkridge said:

    Who is Sherlock Holmes going to vote for?

    Well Robert Downey Junior is a Republican, he became a Republican after a stint in prison.

    Oh you're talking about Benedict Cumberbatch.
    Benedict "Wooden" Lumberbatch!

    [dives for cover]
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Does anybody watch these things these days?

    Sometimes.

    Only the one I can remember from recent times is Dave the Chameleon one.
    Dave the Chameleon was very entertaining.

    I loved Dave the Chameleon, he should have got his own series on Cbeebies!
  • Edin_RokzEdin_Rokz Posts: 516
    As in 2007, all SNP candidates will have "Alex Salmond for PM" along side their names on the ballot paper.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    frpenkridge said:

    Who is Sherlock Holmes going to vote for?

    Well Robert Downey Junior is a Republican, he became a Republican after a stint in prison.

    Oh you're talking about Benedict Cumberbatch.
    Benedict "Wooden" Lumberbatch!

    [dives for cover]
    That's the Oscar nominated Benedict Cumberbatch
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    murali_s said:

    chestnut said:

    Phone

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    Ashcroft wrong - I think
    Indeed.

    Ashcroft:...C 36 L 34
    ICM:.......- C 36 L 35
    ComRes..-C 36 L 32
    Ipsos........C 33 L 34

    Online

    Yougov.......C 35 L 35
    Populus.... C 34 L 34
    Panelbase.. C 34 L 34
    Opinium.... C 34 L 33
    ComRes.... C 33 L 35
    TNS............C 33 L 32
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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,916
    FU Yes, I see he had a spat with Karl Henry of QPR who came out for the Tories
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    My first political memory is of the 'New Labour, New Danger' posters. I didn't really grasp that there was an election going on or anything, but the image was striking and memorable to the point as a child I did have to ask what New Labour was and what was this danger.

    My parents were distinctly unpolitical people, so I don't think I actually got an answer and soon forgot about it, but still, I admire the ad for some effectiveness.
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