"I also believe SLAB might deploy Gordon Brown, as they did in the last weeks of the referendum, to energize SLAB inclined voters. Despite all the opprobrium, must of it justified, the former PM remain a combative and effective performer in Scotland, where he retains much of his popularity."
It's always surprising to wander round Scottish cities like Aberdeen and see 'The Gordon Brown Buildings' Gordon Brown Avenue Gordon Brown Passage etc etc. The man was a Colossus
Jack's view from London is a bit eccentric, he thinks a quick stay in 5 star hotels in Edinburgh gives him the vibe, too many artifical pies methinks.
If I require any considered advice on turnip pies I'll be sure to seek out your unequalled experience.
Nice mutton or venison pie with turnip topping would go down a treat
"I also believe SLAB might deploy Gordon Brown, as they did in the last weeks of the referendum, to energize SLAB inclined voters. Despite all the opprobrium, must of it justified, the former PM remain a combative and effective performer in Scotland, where he retains much of his popularity."
It's always surprising to wander round Scottish cities like Aberdeen and see 'The Gordon Brown Buildings' Gordon Brown Avenue Gordon Brown Passage etc etc. The man was a Colossus
Gordon Brown is kicking off the Scottish GE today at the EICC
Will he be joining the intellectually challenged wing of SLab in wearing a black armband?
'Discussions are also underway to commemorate the 28 March anniversary of 11 SNP MPs joining the Tories to help vote down Jim Callaghan’s government in 1979. The historic vote led to the election which brought in Margaret Thatcher and heralded 17 years of Conservative rule. Proposals to mark the day include wearing a black arm band and laying a wreath at the miners’ memorial.'
Just catching up on yesterdays Daily Politics...Andrew Neil says neither Cameron or Osborne have given him an interview for 8 years
Why would they?
Would you make a high risk, low return bet?
Interesting analogy
I try not to, but I am not claiming to act in the interests of democracy or represent the people.. I am trying to earn a living by betting ,where being crafty and playing a tight hand etc is necessary
One of my closest friends is a Tory, not massively bothered about politics though.. talking about the debate (which he didn't watch) I said Cameron dodges question and is a bit evasive etc
He said "But thats politics isn't it?! That's what its all about"
Maybe I am naïve, but I say that isnt what its about. I would want to face my toughest opponents to show that I believed in what I said and that my vision was robust enough to withstand difficult questioning rather than hide and hope no one notices
Have you seen the interview between Enoch Powell & David Frost?
Recent history informs us that when Cameron talks about fighting "head, heart, body and soul" for something, it means invitation-only audiences, appreciative business leaders and tame media.
I am a strong believer in JackW's ARSE, but I am afraid to report an error. In the changes from the last ARSE, it is reported that North Warwickshire has moved from TCTC to Conservative Gain. I think the Conservative MP for North Warwickshire will be surprised to learn he has lost his seat already, even if it will be won back.
I can only assume this error is down to a minion rebelling against JACKW for a failure to provide his monthly allowance of Jacobite merchandise.
"I also believe SLAB might deploy Gordon Brown, as they did in the last weeks of the referendum, to energize SLAB inclined voters. Despite all the opprobrium, must of it justified, the former PM remain a combative and effective performer in Scotland, where he retains much of his popularity."
It's always surprising to wander round Scottish cities like Aberdeen and see 'The Gordon Brown Buildings' Gordon Brown Avenue Gordon Brown Passage etc etc. The man was a Colossus
Jack's view from London is a bit eccentric, he thinks a quick stay in 5 star hotels in Edinburgh gives him the vibe, too many artifical pies methinks.
If I require any considered advice on turnip pies I'll be sure to seek out your unequalled experience.
Nice mutton or venison pie with turnip topping would go down a treat
"I also believe SLAB might deploy Gordon Brown, as they did in the last weeks of the referendum, to energize SLAB inclined voters. Despite all the opprobrium, must of it justified, the former PM remain a combative and effective performer in Scotland, where he retains much of his popularity."
It's always surprising to wander round Scottish cities like Aberdeen and see 'The Gordon Brown Buildings' Gordon Brown Avenue Gordon Brown Passage etc etc. The man was a Colossus
Gordon Brown is kicking off the Scottish GE today at the EICC
Will he be joining the intellectually challenged wing of SLab in wearing a black armband?
'Discussions are also underway to commemorate the 28 March anniversary of 11 SNP MPs joining the Tories to help vote down Jim Callaghan’s government in 1979. The historic vote led to the election which brought in Margaret Thatcher and heralded 17 years of Conservative rule. Proposals to mark the day include wearing a black arm band and laying a wreath at the miners’ memorial.'
Just catching up on yesterdays Daily Politics...Andrew Neil says neither Cameron or Osborne have given him an interview for 8 years
Why would they?
Would you make a high risk, low return bet?
Interesting analogy
I try not to, but I am not claiming to act in the interests of democracy or represent the people.. I am trying to earn a living by betting ,where being crafty and playing a tight hand etc is necessary
One of my closest friends is a Tory, not massively bothered about politics though.. talking about the debate (which he didn't watch) I said Cameron dodges question and is a bit evasive etc
He said "But thats politics isn't it?! That's what its all about"
Maybe I am naïve, but I say that isnt what its about. I would want to face my toughest opponents to show that I believed in what I said and that my vision was robust enough to withstand difficult questioning rather than hide and hope no one notices
Have you seen the interview between Enoch Powell & David Frost?
In an ideal world you are right. But interviewers aren't interested in the truth - they want to trip their targets up and secure a gaffe. Even if there was a serious discussion, it would only reach the mainstream media if there was an error.
Unfortunately we have the politicians our media have created.
"I also believe SLAB might deploy Gordon Brown, as they did in the last weeks of the referendum, to energize SLAB inclined voters. Despite all the opprobrium, must of it justified, the former PM remain a combative and effective performer in Scotland, where he retains much of his popularity."
It's always surprising to wander round Scottish cities like Aberdeen and see 'The Gordon Brown Buildings' Gordon Brown Avenue Gordon Brown Passage etc etc. The man was a Colossus
Jack's view from London is a bit eccentric, he thinks a quick stay in 5 star hotels in Edinburgh gives him the vibe, too many artifical pies methinks.
If I require any considered advice on turnip pies I'll be sure to seek out your unequalled experience.
Nice mutton or venison pie with turnip topping would go down a treat
"I also believe SLAB might deploy Gordon Brown, as they did in the last weeks of the referendum, to energize SLAB inclined voters. Despite all the opprobrium, must of it justified, the former PM remain a combative and effective performer in Scotland, where he retains much of his popularity."
It's always surprising to wander round Scottish cities like Aberdeen and see 'The Gordon Brown Buildings' Gordon Brown Avenue Gordon Brown Passage etc etc. The man was a Colossus
Gordon Brown is kicking off the Scottish GE today at the EICC
Will he be joining the intellectually challenged wing of SLab in wearing a black armband?
'Discussions are also underway to commemorate the 28 March anniversary of 11 SNP MPs joining the Tories to help vote down Jim Callaghan’s government in 1979. The historic vote led to the election which brought in Margaret Thatcher and heralded 17 years of Conservative rule. Proposals to mark the day include wearing a black arm band and laying a wreath at the miners’ memorial.'
Easterross/Easterdross! Have you a problem with women? How do you think your description of Sturgeon and Wood as ' Celtic witches ' is justified?
I replied to Red Rose earlier but it appears to have disappeared into the ether.
Rose just jump back into your little feminist box. Clearly you didn't have much of a classical education. I happen to admire Sturgeon as a politician but fear she wants to turn Scotland into some sort of pre 1989 Socialist 3rd world basket case. She and her ilk have no understanding of Scotland outside the former industrial Clydeside and certainly no clue about the large swathes of rural Scotland which are traditionally centre-right in their thinking.
Had you had a decent education, you would have understood my analogy. Sturgeon, Bennet and the PC woman are like the 3 witches preparing to lead Miliband's Macbeth up the garden path so that they can sit back and pick off the pieces as he ultimately implodes.
I am a strong believer in JackW's ARSE, but I am afraid to report an error. In the changes from the last ARSE, it is reported that North Warwickshire has moved from TCTC to Conservative Gain. I think the Conservative MP for North Warwickshire will be surprised to learn he has lost his seat already, even if it will be won back.
I can only assume this error is down to a minion rebelling against JACKW for a failure to provide his monthly allowance of Jacobite merchandise.
I'll be surprised as anyone if I win the 5-1 I have on the Tories here.
Had venison burgers (very nice indeed) and venison, er, chops [I think] which were good but not as nice as the burgers.
We should definitely be hunting deer, not only to reduce their numbers but also to supply the nation with a great quantity of excellent venison, one of the finest of meats.
Just catching up on yesterdays Daily Politics...Andrew Neil says neither Cameron or Osborne have given him an interview for 8 years
It is pretty disgraceful how infrequently our top politicians are interviewed properly. At the time, it was remarked that Gordon Brown hadn't done anything for donkeys years too, like literally nothing like Neil, QT, Paxman, for the whole time he was in government, only Marr I think.
Should be invited to do a leaders QT, a chancellors QT, etc at least once a year.
Just catching up on yesterdays Daily Politics...Andrew Neil says neither Cameron or Osborne have given him an interview for 8 years
Why would they?
Would you make a high risk, low return bet?
Interesting analogy
I try not to, but I am not claiming to act in the interests of democracy or represent the people.. I am trying to earn a living by betting ,where being crafty and playing a tight hand etc is necessary
One of my closest friends is a Tory, not massively bothered about politics though.. talking about the debate (which he didn't watch) I said Cameron dodges question and is a bit evasive etc
He said "But thats politics isn't it?! That's what its all about"
Maybe I am naïve, but I say that isnt what its about. I would want to face my toughest opponents to show that I believed in what I said and that my vision was robust enough to withstand difficult questioning rather than hide and hope no one notices
Have you seen the interview between Enoch Powell & David Frost?
Sam, it's all part of the way news reporting has changed as well. The reason politicians like Cameron do it this way is to avoid making a gaffe. Interviews are no longer about getting the truth, they are about tripping people up and making a headline to run on the 24 hour news channels. The system is never going back the way of a proper sit down interview where the PM or LOTO will talk in depth policy because the public aren't interested and only want to see of there are any mistakes. Sad but that's the world we live in now.
Just catching up on yesterdays Daily Politics...Andrew Neil says neither Cameron or Osborne have given him an interview for 8 years
Why would they?
Would you make a high risk, low return bet?
Interesting analogy
I try not to, but I am not claiming to act in the interests of democracy or represent the people.. I am trying to earn a living by betting ,where being crafty and playing a tight hand etc is necessary
One of my closest friends is a Tory, not massively bothered about politics though.. talking about the debate (which he didn't watch) I said Cameron dodges question and is a bit evasive etc
He said "But thats politics isn't it?! That's what its all about"
Maybe I am naïve, but I say that isnt what its about. I would want to face my toughest opponents to show that I believed in what I said and that my vision was robust enough to withstand difficult questioning rather than hide and hope no one notices
Have you seen the interview between Enoch Powell & David Frost?
In an ideal world you are right. But interviewers aren't interested in the truth - they want to trip their targets up and secure a gaffe. Even if there was a serious discussion, it would only reach the mainstream media if there was an error.
Unfortunately we have the politicians our media have created.
To be fair that is true, a lot of interviewers are equivalent of arbers.. they play both sides of the argument and make it almost impossible for any answer to be satisfactory
Political debate seems to me to have become some kind of existential construct where people argue over the flaws in arguments rather than the real issues. No one is honest for fear of upsetting someone who might vote for them, and as a result we have a phoneyness that belies the point of democracy
Could someone please point out to Roger that Aberdeen is in the north-east Lowlands of Scotland. It has never been in the Highlands.
Incidentally Roger, the wee pic of James Cosmo could not have been more inappropriate. My 22x great grandfather Sir John Menteith was the man who arrested William Wallace and handed him over to Edward I. The Norman French/Flemish nobility had not arrived in Scotland when the picts were running around naked and covered in blue wode.
Just catching up on yesterdays Daily Politics...Andrew Neil says neither Cameron or Osborne have given him an interview for 8 years
Why would they?
Would you make a high risk, low return bet?
Interesting analogy
I try not to, but I am not claiming to act in the interests of democracy or represent the people.. I am trying to earn a living by betting ,where being crafty and playing a tight hand etc is necessary
One of my closest friends is a Tory, not massively bothered about politics though.. talking about the debate (which he didn't watch) I said Cameron dodges question and is a bit evasive etc
He said "But thats politics isn't it?! That's what its all about"
Maybe I am naïve, but I say that isnt what its about. I would want to face my toughest opponents to show that I believed in what I said and that my vision was robust enough to withstand difficult questioning rather than hide and hope no one notices
Have you seen the interview between Enoch Powell & David Frost?
Sam, it's all part of the way news reporting has changed as well. The reason politicians like Cameron do it this way is to avoid making a gaffe. Interviews are no longer about getting the truth, they are about tripping people up and making a headline to run on the 24 hour news channels. The system is never going back the way of a proper sit down interview where the PM or LOTO will talk in depth policy because the public aren't interested and only want to see of there are any mistakes. Sad but that's the world we live in now.
This is how it should be done
Enoch vs Frost... fair to say neither were holding back. Anyone interested in political debate should watch
Labour are now marketing `Hell,yes` T-shirts for a small donation.
Just ordered mine now.
Will they be made in a British factory which pays a living wage or in a foreign sweatshop like the feminist shirts were ?
That "sweatshop" was paying a living wage to someone. The someone just wasn't in the UK.
It was paying a wage, I would be interesting to hear any evidence that it was a "living wage" since that sort of concept doesn't exist in most of the third world. Since they were being accommodated 14 to a room and were working 12-16 hours shifts their living costs were minimal I suppose. Still humbug for a socialist party to support it though.
And that's still better than living in the village where they came from. These people have free choice, they work in the sweatshop because that is the best option for them.
You forget I live and work in the third world, I know how it is, I meet those sort of people every day, even employ quite a few!
And these people choose to work for you. They wouldn't have more choices if you left.
Indeed. Also unlike most locals I want to retain skilled workers, so I pay above market
Had venison burgers (very nice indeed) and venison, er, chops [I think] which were good but not as nice as the burgers.
We should definitely be hunting deer, not only to reduce their numbers but also to supply the nation with a great quantity of excellent venison, one of the finest of meats.
As a non mammal eater I cant agree
But reminds me of an old story from the LIFFE floor
Trader at a client do at posh restaurant asks the waiter what Venison is
@tnewtondunn: The Sun Says today: Miliband's blunt message to The Sun and our readers - he doesn't like us, or you. http://t.co/EGCA8d32xE
Not surprising really, it was a mistake by Ed to ban Sun journalist from the campaign announcements yesterday.
I don’t think for minute the Sun would have backed him, but Ed has now given the Sun a whole load of ammo to chuck back at him.
Silly behaviour. Even if they aren't very nice to him there's no reason not to invite them to Labour's campaign launch. Parties that want to form a majority government can afford to have a seige mentality. Even worse is his silence on Mirror Group phone hacking. The general silence in the press on phone hacking means he gets away with it but don't worry one magnificent newspaper is on the case.
Quite agree Mr Booth - However I find the Guardian's bewilderment at the lack off Mirror Hacking coverage a little strange as it was they that took the lead with numerous front page spreads and months of daily articles regarding NOTW, but relatively diddly squat on the Mirror.
Greenslade's article however is spot on, Ed's silence over hacking at the Mirror is deafening and with his reaction to the NOTW and now the Sun, one could think that Ed's high moral stand on journalism was merely partisan bilge.
Mr. Isam, we do have an excessive number of deer. They do need a cull, and if that were to happen then throwing away good meat would be wasteful and foolish.
To be fair that is true, a lot of interviewers are equivalent of arbers.. they play both sides of the argument and make it almost impossible for any answer to be satisfactory
Mr. Isam, we do have an excessive number of deer. They do need a cull, and if that were to happen then throwing away good meat would be wasteful and foolish.
Who says what is excessive? Some say we have an excessive number of people
Not a mainstream view, but I don't see why people are more highly regarded than animals
I wouldn't be quite so keen as the author to embrace the Chesterton's fence theory of the merits of inherited institutions (which is why I'm not a conservative). Iowa doesn't work! Look at the Republican candidates who were propelled to fame by the Midwestern caucuses: Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum... It's not working for the Republicans, at least, to give so much airtime to a local branch of their party in a very white, Democrat-leaning state.
The debates, for their part, are unlikely to be repeated in the same format as at present at the next election, simply because it was such a strange negotiation.
Just catching up on yesterdays Daily Politics...Andrew Neil says neither Cameron or Osborne have given him an interview for 8 years
Why would they?
Would you make a high risk, low return bet?
Interesting analogy
I try not to, but I am not claiming to act in the interests of democracy or represent the people.. I am trying to earn a living by betting ,where being crafty and playing a tight hand etc is necessary
One of my closest friends is a Tory, not massively bothered about politics though.. talking about the debate (which he didn't watch) I said Cameron dodges question and is a bit evasive etc
He said "But thats politics isn't it?! That's what its all about"
Maybe I am naïve, but I say that isnt what its about. I would want to face my toughest opponents to show that I believed in what I said and that my vision was robust enough to withstand difficult questioning rather than hide and hope no one notices
Have you seen the interview between Enoch Powell & David Frost?
Sam, it's all part of the way news reporting has changed as well. The reason politicians like Cameron do it this way is to avoid making a gaffe. Interviews are no longer about getting the truth, they are about tripping people up and making a headline to run on the 24 hour news channels. The system is never going back the way of a proper sit down interview where the PM or LOTO will talk in depth policy because the public aren't interested and only want to see of there are any mistakes. Sad but that's the world we live in now.
This is how it should be done
Enoch vs Frost... fair to say neither were holding back. Anyone interested in political debate should watch
Labour are now marketing `Hell,yes` T-shirts for a small donation.
Just ordered mine now.
Will they be made in a British factory which pays a living wage or in a foreign sweatshop like the feminist shirts were ?
That "sweatshop" was paying a living wage to someone. The someone just wasn't in the UK.
It was paying a wage, I would be interesting to hear any evidence that it was a "living wage" since that sort of concept doesn't exist in most of the third world. Since they were being accommodated 14 to a room and were working 12-16 hours shifts their living costs were minimal I suppose. Still humbug for a socialist party to support it though.
And that's still better than living in the village where they came from. These people have free choice, they work in the sweatshop because that is the best option for them.
You forget I live and work in the third world, I know how it is, I meet those sort of people every day, even employ quite a few!
And these people choose to work for you. They wouldn't have more choices if you left.
Indeed. Also unlike most locals I want to retain skilled workers, so I pay above market
@Indigo, very interesting - how do you manage to pay above market rate and not be deluged by applicants or even cause a riot?
I ask as about 15 years ago, I was asked to set up a chemical plant (more blending than manufacturing) in the south of Mexico City. I had to see the local 'mayor' and police chief as they insisted that we did not pay more than 10% above the local wage level to prevent civil disorder. Our UK HR lady was horrified, but she was way out of her depth and was sent home.
Even when the plant was up and running, there was a queue for jobs daily outside the compound gate - even though everyone knew that there were no jobs available. So many people were moving from a subsistence economy in the country to an industrial/service one where they hoped for riches, that they would have had a better lifestyle if they had not moved to the big city - many became nigh slaves for the rich Mexicans in the city.
Just catching up on yesterdays Daily Politics...Andrew Neil says neither Cameron or Osborne have given him an interview for 8 years
Why would they?
Would you make a high risk, low return bet?
Interesting analogy
I try not to, but I am not claiming to act in the interests of democracy or represent the people.. I am trying to earn a living by betting ,where being crafty and playing a tight hand etc is necessary
One of my closest friends is a Tory, not massively bothered about politics though.. talking about the debate (which he didn't watch) I said Cameron dodges question and is a bit evasive etc
He said "But thats politics isn't it?! That's what its all about"
Maybe I am naïve, but I say that isnt what its about. I would want to face my toughest opponents to show that I believed in what I said and that my vision was robust enough to withstand difficult questioning rather than hide and hope no one notices
Have you seen the interview between Enoch Powell & David Frost?
Sam, it's all part of the way news reporting has changed as well. The reason politicians like Cameron do it this way is to avoid making a gaffe. Interviews are no longer about getting the truth, they are about tripping people up and making a headline to run on the 24 hour news channels. The system is never going back the way of a proper sit down interview where the PM or LOTO will talk in depth policy because the public aren't interested and only want to see of there are any mistakes. Sad but that's the world we live in now.
This is how it should be done
Enoch vs Frost... fair to say neither were holding back. Anyone interested in political debate should watch
The only fair way would be to split the debates into three segments as I said earlier
If that cant happen, Farage should let the other parties squabble over the tiny differences in their policies interjecting here and there to point out how similar they are
Carswell's go to word is "change".. for UKIP to hammer home this point they must show how alike the rest are
Had venison burgers (very nice indeed) and venison, er, chops [I think] which were good but not as nice as the burgers.
We should definitely be hunting deer, not only to reduce their numbers but also to supply the nation with a great quantity of excellent venison, one of the finest of meats.
I see libdems are only 3/10 to win Yeovil. You can get better odds on them retaining Carshalton at 2/7.Yeovil is claimed to be a nailed on safe seat. As I suspected not so safe now
Had venison burgers (very nice indeed) and venison, er, chops [I think] which were good but not as nice as the burgers.
We should definitely be hunting deer, not only to reduce their numbers but also to supply the nation with a great quantity of excellent venison, one of the finest of meats.
As a non mammal eater I cant agree
So I'm not the only vegetarian in the PB village?
I cant claim to be vegetarian... eat fish, sometimes white meat,, although haven't eaten the latter for 10 days
I see libdems are only 3/10 to win Yeovil. You can get better odds on them retaining Carshalton at 2/7.Yeovil is claimed to be a nailed on safe seat. As I suspected not so safe now
The lib dems are 2% from only getting half a dozen -or fewer- seats, and 2% from keeping 30 odd. It's why there are no dead cert lib dem seats.
Had venison burgers (very nice indeed) and venison, er, chops [I think] which were good but not as nice as the burgers.
We should definitely be hunting deer, not only to reduce their numbers but also to supply the nation with a great quantity of excellent venison, one of the finest of meats.
As a non mammal eater I cant agree
So I'm not the only vegetarian in the PB village?
I cant claim to be vegetarian... eat fish, sometimes white meat,, although haven't eaten the latter for 10 days
Feel knackered!!
But I don't eat mammals
Better than nothing! I've been a vegetarian (still eat eggs and dairy) since I was 16, well over 20 years ago.
I see libdems are only 3/10 to win Yeovil. You can get better odds on them retaining Carshalton at 2/7.Yeovil is claimed to be a nailed on safe seat. As I suspected not so safe now
The lib dems are 2% from only getting half a dozen -or fewer- seats, and 2% from keeping 30 odd. It's why there are no dead cert lib dem seats.
Sure. At the moment, their three safest seats by odds are Westmorland and Lonsdale, Orkney and Shetland, and Twickenham, all at around 1/8 or shorter. It's credible to me that two of those could be lost with well over ten per cent probability each.
For any "normal" people you can purchase venison sausages and venison burgers in LIDLs. For the others, there is lots of salad stuff too.
Speaking personally I wish one of my neighbours who take shoots across our farm would hurry up and kill some of the roe deer who are working their way through some of my rather splendid rose bushes.
Mr. Isam, we do have an excessive number of deer. They do need a cull, and if that were to happen then throwing away good meat would be wasteful and foolish.
Who says what is excessive? Some say we have an excessive number of people
Not a mainstream view, but I don't see why people are more highly regarded than animals
During the war there was so much blood donated that it far exceeded demand. The war ministry considered using it to help create black pudding. And found the 'illogical' response that whilst people were perfectly willing to have other people's blood intravenously, they were totally unwilling to have it orally.
Mr. Isam, we do have an excessive number of deer. They do need a cull, and if that were to happen then throwing away good meat would be wasteful and foolish.
Who says what is excessive? Some say we have an excessive number of people
Not a mainstream view, but I don't see why people are more highly regarded than animals
Well around here we are over run with deer, which is not good for them (not enough food), not good for farmers and gardners and not good for motorists (having a deer come through your windscreen is seriously bad for your health).
The countryside is not a theme park. Those vegetables you like to eat have to be grown and for that to happen the land and its inhabitants have to be managed.
If you are prepared to eat poultry I can't see what problem you would have in eating wild deer which are killed in a far more humane fashion.
Mr. Isam, we do have an excessive number of deer. They do need a cull, and if that were to happen then throwing away good meat would be wasteful and foolish.
Who says what is excessive? Some say we have an excessive number of people
Not a mainstream view, but I don't see why people are more highly regarded than animals
Fair question, but it's basically that the absence of predators, they do too much damage to the vegetation and ecosystem (and therefore other species) if allowed to multiply unchecked. The state of the ecosystem says what is excessive, in that sense. One indicator might be the lack of natural reafforestation thanks to browsing - for instance if one has ever been to the experimental island of Rum in the Small Isles, inside and outside the deer fences the difference is dramatic. .
There is also the issue of the use of marginal land to produce meat from deer and sheep (and wool in the latter case) when it is not otherwise useable for agriculture other than forestry.
(I'm aware of other issues, such as possible overgrazing by domesticated animals; so this is not the only factor of course.)
Mr. Isam, we do have an excessive number of deer. They do need a cull, and if that were to happen then throwing away good meat would be wasteful and foolish.
Who says what is excessive? Some say we have an excessive number of people
Not a mainstream view, but I don't see why people are more highly regarded than animals
Well around here we are over run with deer, which is not good for them (not enough food), not good for farmers and gardners and not good for motorists (having a deer come through your windscreen is seriously bad for your health).
The countryside is not a theme park. Those vegetables you like to eat have to be grown and for that to happen the land and its inhabitants have to be managed.
If you are prepared to eat poultry I can't see what problem you would have in eating wild deer which are killed in a far more humane fashion.
Well each to their own, I don't preach I do what suits me
It may be a bit flawed logically to eat birds but not mammals, and I rarely eat them now either... somehow I don't see them as equal in the food chain I guess
Most people see the natural way of the world as being run to suit humans and animals that get in the way by existing are "pests".. I cant help it but I don't see it like that
I see libdems are only 3/10 to win Yeovil. You can get better odds on them retaining Carshalton at 2/7.Yeovil is claimed to be a nailed on safe seat. As I suspected not so safe now
In theory, Yeovil should be much safer for LibDems than Carshalton - 12% LibDem majority in my model compared with 4% majority for Carshalton.
But in Yeovil the Labour vote was squeezed down to 3,000 last time with David Laws getting 32,000. I suspect that well over half that 32,000 were borrowed from Labour as tactical votes. If these voted Labour this time, Labour would be a close second to Con with LibDem third.
My model assumes that in marginal LibDem seats, the LibDem retains 86% of the 2010 vote with 10% reverting to Labour (and 4% to Green). In the case of Laws, I don't think this will be the case and many tactical Labour voters will revert. It depends on how strong and astute the Labour campaign in Yeovil is.
For any "normal" people you can purchase venison sausages and venison burgers in LIDLs. For the others, there is lots of salad stuff too.
Speaking personally I wish one of my neighbours who take shoots across our farm would hurry up and kill some of the roe deer who are working their way through some of my rather splendid rose bushes.
A friend who lives up the road in Devizes complains of the same thing, he regards all deer as just long legged rats that routinely enter his garden and devour his rose bushes.
If the numbers of deer are high enough to require culling (I have no idea if they do) then at least choose a method that enables the meat to be used for human consumption.
Mr. Isam, we do have an excessive number of deer. They do need a cull, and if that were to happen then throwing away good meat would be wasteful and foolish.
Who says what is excessive? Some say we have an excessive number of people
Not a mainstream view, but I don't see why people are more highly regarded than animals
"I don't see why people are more highly regarded than animals"
If the co-pilot of that plane had flown a cargo of animals into a mountain, would you have considered it an equal tragedy to what actually did happen?
Mr. Isam, we do have an excessive number of deer. They do need a cull, and if that were to happen then throwing away good meat would be wasteful and foolish.
Who says what is excessive? Some say we have an excessive number of people
Not a mainstream view, but I don't see why people are more highly regarded than animals
"I don't see why people are more highly regarded than animals"
If the co-pilot of that plane had flown a cargo of animals into a mountain, would you have considered it an equal tragedy to what actually did happen?
Instinctively I would say no, but maybe that is because I have only ever lived in a society that tells us its ok to kill and eat animals
Animals love, grieve, have family bonds and feelings just like humans, and at the end of the day we are animals ourselves, so all you are doing is prioritising one type of animal over another, by saying it is worse that it was humans
I am sure a dog would rather a human died than a member of its family, so maybe as a human I can say it is worse that it was humans
I see libdems are only 3/10 to win Yeovil. You can get better odds on them retaining Carshalton at 2/7.Yeovil is claimed to be a nailed on safe seat. As I suspected not so safe now
In theory, Yeovil should be much safer for LibDems than Carshalton - 12% LibDem majority in my model compared with 4% majority for Carshalton.
But in Yeovil the Labour vote was squeezed down to 3,000 last time with David Laws getting 32,000. I suspect that well over half that 32,000 were borrowed from Labour as tactical votes. If these voted Labour this time, Labour would be a close second to Con with LibDem third.
My model assumes that in marginal LibDem seats, the LibDem retains 86% of the 2010 vote with 10% reverting to Labour (and 4% to Green). In the case of Laws, I don't think this will be the case and many tactical Labour voters will revert. It depends on how strong and astute the Labour campaign in Yeovil is.
I think I've mentioned before that if I lived in Yeovil I'd vote Tory. Other than a token concern with inequality I'm not sure what the difference between the likes of Laws and the Tories is on economic policy.
F1: not a tip [still checking to see if the market I want has appeared] but Ladbrokes has Vettel at 8 to win, but Ferrari (as the winning car) at 9. So, if you think Vettel can win, better to back the team.
Just catching up on yesterdays Daily Politics...Andrew Neil says neither Cameron or Osborne have given him an interview for 8 years
Why would they?
Would you make a high risk, low return bet?
Interesting analogy
I try not to, but I am not claiming to act in the interests of democracy or represent the people.. I am trying to earn a living by betting ,where being crafty and playing a tight hand etc is necessary
One of my closest friends is a Tory, not massively bothered about politics though.. talking about the debate (which he didn't watch) I said Cameron dodges question and is a bit evasive etc
He said "But thats politics isn't it?! That's what its all about"
Maybe I am naïve, but I say that isnt what its about. I would want to face my toughest opponents to show that I believed in what I said and that my vision was robust enough to withstand difficult questioning rather than hide and hope no one notices
Have you seen the interview between Enoch Powell & David Frost?
Sam, it's all part of the way news reporting has changed as well. The reason politicians like Cameron do it this way is to avoid making a gaffe. Interviews are no longer about getting the truth, they are about tripping people up and making a headline to run on the 24 hour news channels. The system is never going back the way of a proper sit down interview where the PM or LOTO will talk in depth policy because the public aren't interested and only want to see of there are any mistakes. Sad but that's the world we live in now.
This is how it should be done
Enoch vs Frost... fair to say neither were holding back. Anyone interested in political debate should watch
Mr. Isam, we do have an excessive number of deer. They do need a cull, and if that were to happen then throwing away good meat would be wasteful and foolish.
Who says what is excessive? Some say we have an excessive number of people
Not a mainstream view, but I don't see why people are more highly regarded than animals
"I don't see why people are more highly regarded than animals"
If the co-pilot of that plane had flown a cargo of animals into a mountain, would you have considered it an equal tragedy to what actually did happen?
Instinctively I would say no, but maybe that is because I have only ever lived in a society that tells us its ok to kill and eat animals
Animals love, grieve, have family bonds and feelings just like humans, and at the end of the day we are animals ourselves, so all you are doing is prioritising one type of animal over another, by saying it is worse that it was humans
I am sure a dog would rather a human died than a member of its family, so maybe as a human I can say it is worse that it was humans
Maybe animals do have some characteristics like humans. Some. But to equate them is a dangerous path.
If human = animal, then you will not find people treating animals with the respect they treat humans, instead they treat humans like animals.
As a society we have slowly moved away from that. Slavery. Believing < 2 year olds and can be left to die. Etc. These things have changed, but only by knowing that humans have value - and we are not just another animal.
The fact that you instinctively said "no" is good - hold onto that.
(This doesn't mean that animals should be mistreated of course).
Mr. Isam, we do have an excessive number of deer. They do need a cull, and if that were to happen then throwing away good meat would be wasteful and foolish.
Who says what is excessive? Some say we have an excessive number of people
Not a mainstream view, but I don't see why people are more highly regarded than animals
"I don't see why people are more highly regarded than animals"
If the co-pilot of that plane had flown a cargo of animals into a mountain, would you have considered it an equal tragedy to what actually did happen?
Instinctively I would say no, but maybe that is because I have only ever lived in a society that tells us its ok to kill and eat animals
Animals love, grieve, have family bonds and feelings just like humans, and at the end of the day we are animals ourselves, so all you are doing is prioritising one type of animal over another, by saying it is worse that it was humans
I am sure a dog would rather a human died than a member of its family, so maybe as a human I can say it is worse that it was humans
Maybe animals do have some characteristics like humans. Some. But to equate them is a dangerous path.
If human = animal, then you will not find people treating animals with the respect they treat humans, instead they treat humans like animals.
As a society we have slowly moved away from that. Slavery. Believing < 2 year olds and can be left to die. Etc. These things have changed, but only by knowing that humans have value - and we are not just another animal.
The fact that you instinctively said "no" is good - hold onto that.
(This doesn't mean that animals should be mistreated of course).
Slightly patronising, but I'll let you off
The fact is that all animals (inc humans) instinctively favour their own, so of course we, as humans, think our survival is more impt than that of other breeds of animal. If you were able to communicate with a lion and discover whether he would rather a plane full of lions or humans crashed, I am sure he would say humans
I am not sure agree with
"If human = animal, then you will not find people treating animals with the respect they treat humans, instead they treat humans like animals."
We mistreat animals, breed them so we can kill them and waive the concern as we have been taught to think "they are only animals".. I would rather we treated every living creature well, so the phrase "treated like an animal" was not something to be concerned about
For any "normal" people you can purchase venison sausages and venison burgers in LIDLs. For the others, there is lots of salad stuff too.
Speaking personally I wish one of my neighbours who take shoots across our farm would hurry up and kill some of the roe deer who are working their way through some of my rather splendid rose bushes.
Venison burgers are generally extremely lean. Good for people watching their intake.
I see libdems are only 3/10 to win Yeovil. You can get better odds on them retaining Carshalton at 2/7.Yeovil is claimed to be a nailed on safe seat. As I suspected not so safe now
In theory, Yeovil should be much safer for LibDems than Carshalton - 12% LibDem majority in my model compared with 4% majority for Carshalton.
But in Yeovil the Labour vote was squeezed down to 3,000 last time with David Laws getting 32,000. I suspect that well over half that 32,000 were borrowed from Labour as tactical votes. If these voted Labour this time, Labour would be a close second to Con with LibDem third.
My model assumes that in marginal LibDem seats, the LibDem retains 86% of the 2010 vote with 10% reverting to Labour (and 4% to Green). In the case of Laws, I don't think this will be the case and many tactical Labour voters will revert. It depends on how strong and astute the Labour campaign in Yeovil is.
That is ludicrous , there are nowhere near 16,000 natural Labour voters in Yeovil , you are living in fantasy land . Look for example at the 2003 locals , they indicate that on a good day they will get around 15% of the vote in Yeovil itself and much less in the rural parts of the seat .
I see libdems are only 3/10 to win Yeovil. You can get better odds on them retaining Carshalton at 2/7.Yeovil is claimed to be a nailed on safe seat. As I suspected not so safe now
In theory, Yeovil should be much safer for LibDems than Carshalton - 12% LibDem majority in my model compared with 4% majority for Carshalton.
But in Yeovil the Labour vote was squeezed down to 3,000 last time with David Laws getting 32,000. I suspect that well over half that 32,000 were borrowed from Labour as tactical votes. If these voted Labour this time, Labour would be a close second to Con with LibDem third.
My model assumes that in marginal LibDem seats, the LibDem retains 86% of the 2010 vote with 10% reverting to Labour (and 4% to Green). In the case of Laws, I don't think this will be the case and many tactical Labour voters will revert. It depends on how strong and astute the Labour campaign in Yeovil is.
An astute Labour campaign in Yeovil would go all out to take votes off Laws, on the grounds that while it would deliver one more seat to the Conservatives, it would help shift the balance of the remaining Lib Dem MPs against another deal with the Conservatives.
For the fourth day running, Ms Sturgeon was forced to repeatedly assert that she and not Alex Salmond is in charge of the SNP and the party’s post-election demands after he gave a series of interviews portraying himself as kingmaker in a hung parliament.
I see libdems are only 3/10 to win Yeovil. You can get better odds on them retaining Carshalton at 2/7.Yeovil is claimed to be a nailed on safe seat. As I suspected not so safe now
In theory, Yeovil should be much safer for LibDems than Carshalton - 12% LibDem majority in my model compared with 4% majority for Carshalton.
But in Yeovil the Labour vote was squeezed down to 3,000 last time with David Laws getting 32,000. I suspect that well over half that 32,000 were borrowed from Labour as tactical votes. If these voted Labour this time, Labour would be a close second to Con with LibDem third.
My model assumes that in marginal LibDem seats, the LibDem retains 86% of the 2010 vote with 10% reverting to Labour (and 4% to Green). In the case of Laws, I don't think this will be the case and many tactical Labour voters will revert. It depends on how strong and astute the Labour campaign in Yeovil is.
An astute Labour campaign in Yeovil would go all out to take votes off Laws, on the grounds that while it would deliver one more seat to the Conservatives, it would help shift the balance of the remaining Lib Dem MPs against another deal with the Conservatives.
And what was the result in the 2011 and 2013 local elections in Yeovil . With the Lib Dems in government did all those Labour voters who had lent Laws their vote rush back and vote Labour ? Nope , in 2011 Labour got their usual 15% or so , in 2013 they were down to 10% losing half of their voters to UKIP .
The fact is that all animals (inc humans) instinctively favour their own, so of course we, as humans, think our survival is more impt than that of other breeds of animal. If you were able to communicate with a lion and discover whether he would rather a plane full of lions or humans crashed, I am sure he would say humans
I am not sure agree with
"If human = animal, then you will not find people treating animals with the respect they treat humans, instead they treat humans like animals."
We mistreat animals, breed them so we can kill them and waive the concern as we have been taught to think "they are only animals".. I would rather we treated every living creature well, so the phrase "treated like an animal" was not something to be concerned about
But a lion cannot communicate or even think like that; it wouldn't even understand the concept of an aeroplane. That's the point. There's a fundamental difference between a human and animals. Therefore they cannot be equivalent.
If you want to argue that people should not mistreat animals, I agree. That will not stop me enjoying eating chicken though.
I see libdems are only 3/10 to win Yeovil. You can get better odds on them retaining Carshalton at 2/7.Yeovil is claimed to be a nailed on safe seat. As I suspected not so safe now
In theory, Yeovil should be much safer for LibDems than Carshalton - 12% LibDem majority in my model compared with 4% majority for Carshalton.
But in Yeovil the Labour vote was squeezed down to 3,000 last time with David Laws getting 32,000. I suspect that well over half that 32,000 were borrowed from Labour as tactical votes. If these voted Labour this time, Labour would be a close second to Con with LibDem third.
My model assumes that in marginal LibDem seats, the LibDem retains 86% of the 2010 vote with 10% reverting to Labour (and 4% to Green). In the case of Laws, I don't think this will be the case and many tactical Labour voters will revert. It depends on how strong and astute the Labour campaign in Yeovil is.
That is ludicrous , there are nowhere near 16,000 natural Labour voters in Yeovil , you are living in fantasy land . Look for example at the 2003 locals , they indicate that on a good day they will get around 15% of the vote in Yeovil itself and much less in the rural parts of the seat .
There is tactical voting in locals too. You'd need to see the canvass returns to get a better insight. Personally I haven't a clue. I'm just commenting.
I see libdems are only 3/10 to win Yeovil. You can get better odds on them retaining Carshalton at 2/7.Yeovil is claimed to be a nailed on safe seat. As I suspected not so safe now
In theory, Yeovil should be much safer for LibDems than Carshalton - 12% LibDem majority in my model compared with 4% majority for Carshalton.
But in Yeovil the Labour vote was squeezed down to 3,000 last time with David Laws getting 32,000. I suspect that well over half that 32,000 were borrowed from Labour as tactical votes. If these voted Labour this time, Labour would be a close second to Con with LibDem third.
My model assumes that in marginal LibDem seats, the LibDem retains 86% of the 2010 vote with 10% reverting to Labour (and 4% to Green). In the case of Laws, I don't think this will be the case and many tactical Labour voters will revert. It depends on how strong and astute the Labour campaign in Yeovil is.
An astute Labour campaign in Yeovil would go all out to take votes off Laws, on the grounds that while it would deliver one more seat to the Conservatives, it would help shift the balance of the remaining Lib Dem MPs against another deal with the Conservatives.
And what was the result in the 2011 and 2013 local elections in Yeovil . With the Lib Dems in government did all those Labour voters who had lent Laws their vote rush back and vote Labour ? Nope , in 2011 Labour got their usual 15% or so , in 2013 they were down to 10% losing half of their voters to UKIP .
15% vote share to 10% is losing half?
On that basis LD vote share at GE2015 is likely to be down by 90%!!
The breaking news is that WIND is reporting to the JNN the contents of the latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election and "JackW Dozen" Projections. (Changes From 24th March Projection) :
Con 310 (NC) .. Lab 246 (NC) .. LibDem 32 (NC) .. SNP 35 (-1) .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. UKIP 4 (+1) .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 0 .. Speaker 1
JackW - to what extent do you expect the polls to move over the next 6 weeks?
Will the polls stay static and then we just get a result in line with ARSE on the night? Or will the polls move so that by GE day the polls are pointing to an ARSE result? Or maybe halfway in between?
And if you do expect the polls to move in the direction of ARSE, when will it happen? In a straight line over the next six weeks? Or all in the last one or two weeks?
The fact is that all animals (inc humans) instinctively favour their own, so of course we, as humans, think our survival is more impt than that of other breeds of animal. If you were able to communicate with a lion and discover whether he would rather a plane full of lions or humans crashed, I am sure he would say humans
I am not sure agree with
"If human = animal, then you will not find people treating animals with the respect they treat humans, instead they treat humans like animals."
We mistreat animals, breed them so we can kill them and waive the concern as we have been taught to think "they are only animals".. I would rather we treated every living creature well, so the phrase "treated like an animal" was not something to be concerned about
But a lion cannot communicate or even think like that; it wouldn't even understand the concept of an aeroplane. That's the point. There's a fundamental difference between a human and animals. Therefore they cannot be equivalent.
If you want to argue that people should not mistreat animals, I agree. That will not stop me enjoying eating chicken though.
I don't agree, we are saying that because we are humans. Its like a lion favouring a lion over a human because we cant communicate the way they do with each other.. I am sure there are many things about the way animals communicate and live that we cant replicate nor understand, does that make them better than us?
On a level playing field, they would rule the world. We win because of machinery and technology (although I guess that is only available because of our evolved/superior brains)
I am not preaching or trying to stop anyone eating what they like, its just my personal preference
"A diva is more likely to say `Awesome` than `Hell,yes`.
More likely to be testosterone driven bikers,cowboys or gung-ho businessmen"
Unfortunately the person I can most imagine saying it is Jeremy Clarkson.
Talking of which if the BBC don't succeed with whatever they do with Top Gear and Clarkson doesn't vanish without trace then I'm a Dutchman. NEVER underestimate the ability of BBC staff.
"A diva is more likely to say `Awesome` than `Hell,yes`.
More likely to be testosterone driven bikers,cowboys or gung-ho businessmen"
Unfortunately the person I can most imagine saying it is Jeremy Clarkson.
Talking of which if the BBC don't succeed with whatever they do with Top Gear and Clarkson doesn't vanish without trace then I'm a Dutchman. NEVER underestimate the ability of BBC staff.
Had venison burgers (very nice indeed) and venison, er, chops [I think] which were good but not as nice as the burgers.
We should definitely be hunting deer, not only to reduce their numbers but also to supply the nation with a great quantity of excellent venison, one of the finest of meats.
As a non mammal eater I cant agree
So I'm not the only vegetarian in the PB village?
I cant claim to be vegetarian... eat fish, sometimes white meat,, although haven't eaten the latter for 10 days
An annual serious interview with the PM sounds a good idea - maybe just after the liaison committee meeting with Select Committee chairs. There's a market for willingness to engage with argument. Unfashionable though it is to say so, it was Tony Blair's strength - he was always willing to take anyone on and competent at doing it. And at the micro level people will often settle for being given a good reason why you don't plan to do what they want, so long as you've made it clear that you've heard them and can perhaps offer a halfway house. If you just retreat into generalities as Cameron tends to, they switch off.
@Indigo, very interesting - how do you manage to pay above market rate and not be deluged by applicants or even cause a riot?
I ask as about 15 years ago, I was asked to set up a chemical plant (more blending than manufacturing) in the south of Mexico City. I had to see the local 'mayor' and police chief as they insisted that we did not pay more than 10% above the local wage level to prevent civil disorder. Our UK HR lady was horrified, but she was way out of her depth and was sent home.
Even when the plant was up and running, there was a queue for jobs daily outside the compound gate - even though everyone knew that there were no jobs available. So many people were moving from a subsistence economy in the country to an industrial/service one where they hoped for riches, that they would have had a better lifestyle if they had not moved to the big city - many became nigh slaves for the rich Mexicans in the city.
My main business here (the bit that makes the money, rather than the various other things I do for my own satisfaction) is property development, so I mostly employ construction workers and freelance in specialists like architects and so forth. We are quite a small operation so we mostly recruit by recommendation and word of mouth. The workers who we find fit the team well and do a good job get carried over to future developments where they receive periodic loyalty and project completion bonuses, which are pretty much unheard of here, and lift their overall package substantially above market.
Your second point is well make and absolutely true here as well. This country is ridiculously fertile, if you drop seeds on the ground they grow, the fish practically throw themselves out of the sea at you, and various sea foods literally get washed up by the tides. Hunger is almost unheard of in the rural areas. However lots of youngsters either tire of the rural existence and wanting more excitement, or come to the city looking for streets paved in gold, but find life is considerably tougher, and food much harder to find without money, resulting in significant numbers of beggars. The irony is most of these people too ashamed to go home to rural areas where food would be plentiful having made a bit scene with their family by throwing up the rural lifestyle and moving to the city.
"Not surprising really, it was a mistake by Ed to ban Sun journalist from the campaign announcements yesterday."
This is a guess but I would say the pecentage who are reasonably well disposed towards The Sun number perhaps 15%. Those who loathe it will be nearer 85%. Those who believe a word it writes I believe was polled during Leveson and that figure was below 10%.
For a politician to defecate on The Sun there is no downside but plenty the other way
"Not surprising really, it was a mistake by Ed to ban Sun journalist from the campaign announcements yesterday."
This is a guess but I would say the pecentage who are reasonably well disposed towards The Sun number perhaps 15%. Those who loathe it will be nearer 85%. Those who believe a word it writes I believe was polled during Leveson and that figure was below 10%.
For a politician to defecate on The Sun there is no downside but plenty the other way
Many don't read the Sun, but that doesn't mean they loathe it.
Had venison burgers (very nice indeed) and venison, er, chops [I think] which were good but not as nice as the burgers.
We should definitely be hunting deer, not only to reduce their numbers but also to supply the nation with a great quantity of excellent venison, one of the finest of meats.
As a non mammal eater I cant agree
So I'm not the only vegetarian in the PB village?
I cant claim to be vegetarian... eat fish, sometimes white meat,, although haven't eaten the latter for 10 days
Feel knackered!!
But I don't eat mammals
- Why did you become a vegetarian, Sunil? - I come from Vegetaria!
OT for those who rather like contestant TV shows - I can't recommend Ink Master highly enough. It's the companion series to Tattoo Nightmares which is hilarious.
I can binge watch/gawp and LOL them back to back. The back-stories are very amusing as are the attempts by artists to win £100k. I don't have any tattoos nor any desire for one - but this set of shows is just great TV. I watch it on Pick TV via FreeSat. Some of the tattooists are incredibly skilled - and there's no room for error here.
"Not surprising really, it was a mistake by Ed to ban Sun journalist from the campaign announcements yesterday."
This is a guess but I would say the pecentage who are reasonably well disposed towards The Sun number perhaps 15%. Those who loathe it will be nearer 85%. Those who believe a word it writes I believe was polled during Leveson and that figure was below 10%.
For a politician to defecate on The Sun there is no downside but plenty the other way
Percentage of what ? Labour activists ? Possibly. Labour voters, in your dreams, because of course no one has ever seen a copy of The Sun on the dashboard or passenger seat of vehicles used by electricians, carpenters, bricklayers, refuse collectors, street sweepers, janitors and other working people, "labourers" even, who might usually expect to be represented by the Labour Party, before it became a talking shop of North London Socialists, Social Justice Warriors and Metropolitan Elite advert makers.
Had venison burgers (very nice indeed) and venison, er, chops [I think] which were good but not as nice as the burgers.
We should definitely be hunting deer, not only to reduce their numbers but also to supply the nation with a great quantity of excellent venison, one of the finest of meats.
As a non mammal eater I cant agree
So I'm not the only vegetarian in the PB village?
I cant claim to be vegetarian... eat fish, sometimes white meat,, although haven't eaten the latter for 10 days
Feel knackered!!
But I don't eat mammals
- Why did you become a vegetarian, Sunil? - I come from Vegetaria!
OT Quick culinary question. I'm very fond of leeks - in every sort of dish. Would I be better off using spring onions instead in hoisin or chow mien recipes? I don't like them to become overly sweet and finding it really hard to find a balance when using onions - but leeks don't quite work either.
EdM isn't going to earn the support of The Sun or even its quiet acquiescence, so surely it's best not to analyse their interactions with the predicate that he should be trying to win them over.
EdM isn't going to earn the support of The Sun or even its quiet acquiescence, so surely it's best not to analyse their interactions with the predicate that he should be trying to win them over.
Had venison burgers (very nice indeed) and venison, er, chops [I think] which were good but not as nice as the burgers.
We should definitely be hunting deer, not only to reduce their numbers but also to supply the nation with a great quantity of excellent venison, one of the finest of meats.
As a non mammal eater I cant agree
So I'm not the only vegetarian in the PB village?
I cant claim to be vegetarian... eat fish, sometimes white meat,, although haven't eaten the latter for 10 days
Feel knackered!!
But I don't eat mammals
- Why did you become a vegetarian, Sunil? - I come from Vegetaria!
Up to age 16, I ate regularly meat, chicken, fish, squid, prawns.
This week has been a stunning success for the SNP. Salmond has placed the at the centre of a campaign when they usually struggle to be relevant . This weekend Nicola will get huge coverage from their massive Conference and next week appears in the big debate. Here is a small prediction for you. The first poll will show the SNP lead extending in Scotland. Just as the local by elections yesterday indicated.
EdM isn't going to earn the support of The Sun or even its quiet acquiescence, so surely it's best not to analyse their interactions with the predicate that he should be trying to win them over.
The Sunil hasn't officially come down in favour of either likely PM candidate just yet
Had venison burgers (very nice indeed) and venison, er, chops [I think] which were good but not as nice as the burgers.
We should definitely be hunting deer, not only to reduce their numbers but also to supply the nation with a great quantity of excellent venison, one of the finest of meats.
As a non mammal eater I cant agree
So I'm not the only vegetarian in the PB village?
I cant claim to be vegetarian... eat fish, sometimes white meat,, although haven't eaten the latter for 10 days
Feel knackered!!
But I don't eat mammals
- Why did you become a vegetarian, Sunil? - I come from Vegetaria!
Up to age 16, I ate regularly meat, chicken, fish, squid, prawns.
Comments
"So the economy would head full tilt towards Lucifer's fiery furnaces under an incoming Labour Government?"
I can only assume this error is down to a minion rebelling against JACKW for a failure to provide his monthly allowance of Jacobite merchandise.
Unfortunately we have the politicians our media have created.
I do not think they want to go up against the best in the business.
Rose just jump back into your little feminist box. Clearly you didn't have much of a classical education. I happen to admire Sturgeon as a politician but fear she wants to turn Scotland into some sort of pre 1989 Socialist 3rd world basket case. She and her ilk have no understanding of Scotland outside the former industrial Clydeside and certainly no clue about the large swathes of rural Scotland which are traditionally centre-right in their thinking.
Had you had a decent education, you would have understood my analogy. Sturgeon, Bennet and the PC woman are like the 3 witches preparing to lead Miliband's Macbeth up the garden path so that they can sit back and pick off the pieces as he ultimately implodes.
Had venison burgers (very nice indeed) and venison, er, chops [I think] which were good but not as nice as the burgers.
We should definitely be hunting deer, not only to reduce their numbers but also to supply the nation with a great quantity of excellent venison, one of the finest of meats.
Should be invited to do a leaders QT, a chancellors QT, etc at least once a year.
Political debate seems to me to have become some kind of existential construct where people argue over the flaws in arguments rather than the real issues. No one is honest for fear of upsetting someone who might vote for them, and as a result we have a phoneyness that belies the point of democracy
But it'd be even better if we had a less sensationalist, scalp-hunting, shallow media.
Incidentally Roger, the wee pic of James Cosmo could not have been more inappropriate. My 22x great grandfather Sir John Menteith was the man who arrested William Wallace and handed him over to Edward I. The Norman French/Flemish nobility had not arrived in Scotland when the picts were running around naked and covered in blue wode.
Enoch vs Frost... fair to say neither were holding back. Anyone interested in political debate should watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdr96F5PfMg
But reminds me of an old story from the LIFFE floor
Trader at a client do at posh restaurant asks the waiter what Venison is
"Its dear Sir"
"That's alright, its on the company"
Greenslade's article however is spot on, Ed's silence over hacking at the Mirror is deafening and with his reaction to the NOTW and now the Sun, one could think that Ed's high moral stand on journalism was merely partisan bilge.
Not a mainstream view, but I don't see why people are more highly regarded than animals
I wouldn't be quite so keen as the author to embrace the Chesterton's fence theory of the merits of inherited institutions (which is why I'm not a conservative). Iowa doesn't work! Look at the Republican candidates who were propelled to fame by the Midwestern caucuses: Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum... It's not working for the Republicans, at least, to give so much airtime to a local branch of their party in a very white, Democrat-leaning state.
The debates, for their part, are unlikely to be repeated in the same format as at present at the next election, simply because it was such a strange negotiation.
I ask as about 15 years ago, I was asked to set up a chemical plant (more blending than manufacturing) in the south of Mexico City. I had to see the local 'mayor' and police chief as they insisted that we did not pay more than 10% above the local wage level to prevent civil disorder. Our UK HR lady was horrified, but she was way out of her depth and was sent home.
Even when the plant was up and running, there was a queue for jobs daily outside the compound gate - even though everyone knew that there were no jobs available. So many people were moving from a subsistence economy in the country to an industrial/service one where they hoped for riches, that they would have had a better lifestyle if they had not moved to the big city - many became nigh slaves for the rich Mexicans in the city.
EWRIOPHL
The only fair way would be to split the debates into three segments as I said earlier
If that cant happen, Farage should let the other parties squabble over the tiny differences in their policies interjecting here and there to point out how similar they are
Carswell's go to word is "change".. for UKIP to hammer home this point they must show how alike the rest are
Feel knackered!!
But I don't eat mammals
Speaking personally I wish one of my neighbours who take shoots across our farm would hurry up and kill some of the roe deer who are working their way through some of my rather splendid rose bushes.
The countryside is not a theme park. Those vegetables you like to eat have to be grown and for that to happen the land and its inhabitants have to be managed.
If you are prepared to eat poultry I can't see what problem you would have in eating wild deer which are killed in a far more humane fashion.
There is also the issue of the use of marginal land to produce meat from deer and sheep (and wool in the latter case) when it is not otherwise useable for agriculture other than forestry.
(I'm aware of other issues, such as possible overgrazing by domesticated animals; so this is not the only factor of course.)
It may be a bit flawed logically to eat birds but not mammals, and I rarely eat them now either... somehow I don't see them as equal in the food chain I guess
Most people see the natural way of the world as being run to suit humans and animals that get in the way by existing are "pests".. I cant help it but I don't see it like that
But in Yeovil the Labour vote was squeezed down to 3,000 last time with David Laws getting 32,000. I suspect that well over half that 32,000 were borrowed from Labour as tactical votes. If these voted Labour this time, Labour would be a close second to Con with LibDem third.
My model assumes that in marginal LibDem seats, the LibDem retains 86% of the 2010 vote with 10% reverting to Labour (and 4% to Green). In the case of Laws, I don't think this will be the case and many tactical Labour voters will revert. It depends on how strong and astute the Labour campaign in Yeovil is.
If the numbers of deer are high enough to require culling (I have no idea if they do) then at least choose a method that enables the meat to be used for human consumption.
"I don't see why people are more highly regarded than animals"
If the co-pilot of that plane had flown a cargo of animals into a mountain, would you have considered it an equal tragedy to what actually did happen?
Animals love, grieve, have family bonds and feelings just like humans, and at the end of the day we are animals ourselves, so all you are doing is prioritising one type of animal over another, by saying it is worse that it was humans
I am sure a dog would rather a human died than a member of its family, so maybe as a human I can say it is worse that it was humans
Maybe animals do have some characteristics like humans. Some. But to equate them is a dangerous path.
If human = animal, then you will not find people treating animals with the respect they treat humans, instead they treat humans like animals.
As a society we have slowly moved away from that. Slavery. Believing < 2 year olds and can be left to die. Etc. These things have changed, but only by knowing that humans have value - and we are not just another animal.
The fact that you instinctively said "no" is good - hold onto that.
(This doesn't mean that animals should be mistreated of course).
The fact is that all animals (inc humans) instinctively favour their own, so of course we, as humans, think our survival is more impt than that of other breeds of animal. If you were able to communicate with a lion and discover whether he would rather a plane full of lions or humans crashed, I am sure he would say humans
I am not sure agree with
"If human = animal, then you will not find people treating animals with the respect they treat humans, instead they treat humans like animals."
We mistreat animals, breed them so we can kill them and waive the concern as we have been taught to think "they are only animals".. I would rather we treated every living creature well, so the phrase "treated like an animal" was not something to be concerned about
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Nope , in 2011 Labour got their usual 15% or so , in 2013 they were down to 10% losing half of their voters to UKIP .
But a lion cannot communicate or even think like that; it wouldn't even understand the concept of an aeroplane. That's the point. There's a fundamental difference between a human and animals. Therefore they cannot be equivalent.
If you want to argue that people should not mistreat animals, I agree. That will not stop me enjoying eating chicken though.
On that basis LD vote share at GE2015 is likely to be down by 90%!!
Will the polls stay static and then we just get a result in line with ARSE on the night? Or will the polls move so that by GE day the polls are pointing to an ARSE result? Or maybe halfway in between?
And if you do expect the polls to move in the direction of ARSE, when will it happen? In a straight line over the next six weeks? Or all in the last one or two weeks?
On a level playing field, they would rule the world. We win because of machinery and technology (although I guess that is only available because of our evolved/superior brains)
I am not preaching or trying to stop anyone eating what they like, its just my personal preference
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/581820292575698945
SMukesh
"A diva is more likely to say `Awesome` than `Hell,yes`.
More likely to be testosterone driven bikers,cowboys or gung-ho businessmen"
Unfortunately the person I can most imagine saying it is Jeremy Clarkson.
Talking of which if the BBC don't succeed with whatever they do with Top Gear and Clarkson doesn't vanish without trace then I'm a Dutchman. NEVER underestimate the ability of BBC staff.
Lead now 15 seats. Was 17 a few days ago, then got cut to 13. Now back up to 15.
Your second point is well make and absolutely true here as well. This country is ridiculously fertile, if you drop seeds on the ground they grow, the fish practically throw themselves out of the sea at you, and various sea foods literally get washed up by the tides. Hunger is almost unheard of in the rural areas. However lots of youngsters either tire of the rural existence and wanting more excitement, or come to the city looking for streets paved in gold, but find life is considerably tougher, and food much harder to find without money, resulting in significant numbers of beggars. The irony is most of these people too ashamed to go home to rural areas where food would be plentiful having made a bit scene with their family by throwing up the rural lifestyle and moving to the city.
This is a guess but I would say the pecentage who are reasonably well disposed towards The Sun number perhaps 15%. Those who loathe it will be nearer 85%. Those who believe a word it writes I believe was polled during Leveson and that figure was below 10%.
For a politician to defecate on The Sun there is no downside but plenty the other way
Many don't read the Sun, but that doesn't mean they loathe it.
- I come from Vegetaria!
I can binge watch/gawp and LOL them back to back. The back-stories are very amusing as are the attempts by artists to win £100k. I don't have any tattoos nor any desire for one - but this set of shows is just great TV. I watch it on Pick TV via FreeSat. Some of the tattooists are incredibly skilled - and there's no room for error here.
Have you ever eaten an animal of any kind?
EdM is remarkably stupid here. He will be eaten.
"You're quite insane, aren't you."
A bit harsh!
This week has been a stunning success for the SNP. Salmond has placed the at the centre of a campaign when they usually struggle to be relevant . This weekend Nicola will get huge coverage from their massive Conference and next week appears in the big debate. Here is a small prediction for you. The first poll will show the SNP lead extending in Scotland. Just as the local by elections yesterday indicated.
Quite!
You are our Lord Byron - infamously known as mad, bad and dangerous to know
A most peculiar palette.
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Betting PostF1: pre-race piece up now, including two short odds tips:
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/malaysia-pre-race.html