Ed Balls said extending HS2 past Birmingham made 'no economic sense'
So he is capable of talking some sense occasionally.
Conclusion for tonight - Some of Ed's lines a bit too rehearsed, but more memorable at least. Is that good or bad? Probably won't matter one way or the other, but if any of it can be remembered, that has to be better than not being recalled I think, given none of it was disastrous.
Again Nicky Morgan- every, I mean every Tory politician talks about the Clarkson affair through the prism of the misery of their offspring at him being off air.
When can a politician ever speak unscripted? Do they really have to user their children? Please.
Cameron did exactly that when asked about a third term and got slaughtered for answering honestly
@benatipsosmori: Miliband emerged with 53% cheers to 47% boos on Twitter. First time we've seen a politician emerge with more cheers than boos overall.
Ah, perhaps some context...
@benatipsosmori: Labour much more disciplined online that Conservatives. Their MPs sent 358 Tweets. Conservative MPs sent just 27, #BattleforNo10
May also explain my timeline full of win for Ed
Tories don't seem to get that this politics is a team game.
I bet if Labour had set up the trap to oust the speaker, they would have "whipped" them through. Same when they come on the telly, it is auto droid speak...cost of living crisis....cost of living crisis....with laser like precision.
Conservative MPs have been uttering "long term economic plan" for weeks and we don't need to invoke triffids to understand why.
It is not that Tory leaders don't know it is a team game: what they do not understand is that some people see things differently from them. Backbenchers weren't whipped because it really did not occur to the leadership that any self-respecting Conservative MP would not regard Bercow as the enemy within.
Ed Balls said extending HS2 past Birmingham made 'no economic sense'
So he is capable of talking some sense occasionally. .
Surely a high speed line only as far as Birmingham makes no sense, it is only the long distance routes that make sense. It needs to go to Edinburgh and Glasgow or not at all.
Ed Balls said extending HS2 past Birmingham made 'no economic sense'
So he is capable of talking some sense occasionally. .
Surely a high speed line only as far as Birmingham makes no sense, it is only the long distance routes that make sense. It needs to go to Edinburgh and Glasgow or not at all.
The numbers they've been throwing around for the cost and the assumptions for the benefits make it seem having it all makes no sense. But then I'm no economist, I'll grant.
@Mr_Eugenides: Polly on Richard III:“The one benefit of a supremely privileged family is to prove…that talent and brains are randomly assigned” Well, quite
The sample for the post-debate poll were asked shortly before the debate who they intended to vote for. Afterwards they were asked if it had changed their answer, and if so to whom. Out of 1123:
10 Labour voters now intend to vote...Labour 3 Tories had their mind changed to...Tory 2 Lib Dem voters have defected to...the Lib Dems 4 Kippers have switched to...UKIP. 2 'Don't Know' have been convinced by...Don't Know
The Guardian voters from marginals group definitely didn't see it as we did on PB.com (no surprise there then). They thought Cameron was good, Ed not so much so.
"Cameron has his facts and figures to hand and is not allowing Paxman to throw him off course in giving his answers, despite tough questioning from him."
"First time I’ve listened to Ed Miliband… Arrrr 80 minutes of it."
"Miliband’s words sound like a fairytale. Easier said than done."
"David v Ed question put him on the spot! Do I vote for someone who would undermine his brother like he did?"
The thing I get from the ICM tables is that the people polled seem to be very politically minded, hence why they were watching and are part of the ICM panel I guess. It might be different when we get the big leadership debate on a main channel.
@MShapland: Reminder Miliband thinks the Dome was the biggest mistake of the last Labour Government not the Iraq war killing 100,000 #BattleForNumber10
I was surprised, and disappointed, when Cameron didn't just say Libya when asked what his biggest regret was. The bad PR spiel answer went down badly anyway.
While the press have zero interest in the Mirror hacking trial...there are amazing tit bits coming out...
Former Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan ordered journalists to dig for dirt on the editor of Private Eye after being mocked on a TV show a court was told today.
Morgan appeared on the BBC’s satirical quiz show “Have I Got News for You” in May 1996. During the programme, Ian Hislop, accused him of arranging for reporters follow him around and stake out his home. During evidence at the trial of ex-Mirror reporter, Graham Brough, it was revealed that after the show Morgan instructed Brough, who was the senior reporter at the newspaper, to carry out an investigation on Hislop. However Brough later reported back that he had found nothing scandalous about the Private Eye editor as it appeared he had led a “blameless life”.
@tnewtondunn: Our #SunNation Twitter Worm final verdict: Cameron stronger against Paxman, but Miliband scored better with audience; http://t.co/6gqRpEM49K
Exact opposite of what DH thought.
Cameron was dire on detail with Paxo
I don't have problem with the PM not having total knowledge of detail. In fact I think it is an advantage.
You delegate detail when you are in the top position.
Gordon was a detail man, and bogged down with to the point of governmental paralysis, for example.
Exactly - Thatcher used detail to win arguments with men - Brown to control everything - for all his faults, Blair did not get bogged down in detail (indeed his weakness was preferring 'truth' to 'facts') - Cameron is similar on detail - its not his job - and unlike Blair has left ministers in place to get on top of their briefs & the detail.
A Miliband premiership would be closer to Brown (court acolytes plotting against too mighty ministers) than Cameron or Blair........
@tnewtondunn: Our #SunNation Twitter Worm final verdict: Cameron stronger against Paxman, but Miliband scored better with audience; http://t.co/6gqRpEM49K
Exact opposite of what DH thought.
Cameron was dire on detail with Paxo
I don't have problem with the PM not having total knowledge of detail. In fact I think it is an advantage.
You delegate detail when you are in the top position.
Gordon was a detail man, and bogged down with to the point of governmental paralysis, for example.
Exactly - Thatcher used detail to win arguments with men - Brown to control everything - for all his faults, Blair did not get bogged down in detail (indeed his weakness was preferring 'truth' to 'facts') - Cameron is similar on detail - its not his job - and unlike Blair has left ministers in place to get on top of their briefs & the detail.
A Miliband premiership would be closer to Brown (court acolytes plotting against too mighty ministers) than Cameron or Blair........
It is one of the best features of the Coalition...That ministers have been generally left alone to get on with their jobs, including ones not from Cameron's party.
It has caused Cameron difficulties when he has found his ministers are bloody incompetent e.g Caroline Spleman, but as an approach to government far better than Brown "I must personally rule on everything, from paper clip purchases to aircraft carriers".
But we wouldn't have got for instance Webb's pension reforms with somebody like Brown at the top. He would still be arguing about the minute details and working out how to shaft the Tories over it.
There were all those stories of just paperwork piling up under Brown, that needed to be signed off, because he wouldn't do anything until he had looked into the details of absolutely everything.
Brown could get away with the control freaky minute detail unable to make a decision quickly when at the treasury, as your job there is a) detail and b) your whole year revolves around 2 big set pieces.
Brown 910 E, Walker 349, Grant 941 E (42%) Labour: Craik 708 E, Campbell 1,424 E (41%) Independents: Robertson 147, Taylor 192 (7%) Scottish Pensioners Party: Dawson 271 (5%) Conservative: Irvine 155 (3%) Liberal Democrat: Adamson 83 (2%)
The Westminster village has come to west London to play its favourite games.
Just how it will actually go down in the country at large, and just how much attention voters will give to 90 minutes of politics on a Thursday night several weeks before the election, won't be revealed amid the dirty coffee cups of a post-programme spin room.
Daily Mail online headline (not sure about hardcopy paper):
"'Are you OK Ed? Are you alright?' Paxman's words of comfort after mauling Miliband who is branded a 'geek' who knifed his brother in the back - as poll says Cameron wins first TV contest... but only just"
Richard III was not a good man, but he *is* an important part of our national story. Of course the discovery, and reburial, of his bones is a noteworthy event. It has nothing to do with forelock-tugging.
Richard III was not a good man, but he *is* an important part of our national story. Of course the discovery, and reburial, of his bones is a noteworthy event. It has nothing to do with forelock-tugging.
King John Richard was not a good man — He had his little ways. And sometimes no one spoke to him For days and days and days.
Lib Dem supporters broke for Miliband 52% to 48%. Ukip voters for Cameron 70% to 30%.
Is that good or bad for Dave or Ed ?
If these are current Lib Dem/ UKIP supporters then obviously good for Dave as it suggests He'll get a boost in Lab-Con marginal as some Blue UKIPpers return to the fold to keep Ed out.
Richard III was not a good man, but he *is* an important part of our national story. Of course the discovery, and reburial, of his bones is a noteworthy event. It has nothing to do with forelock-tugging.
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Conclusion for tonight - Some of Ed's lines a bit too rehearsed, but more memorable at least. Is that good or bad? Probably won't matter one way or the other, but if any of it can be remembered, that has to be better than not being recalled I think, given none of it was disastrous.
It is not that Tory leaders don't know it is a team game: what they do not understand is that some people see things differently from them. Backbenchers weren't whipped because it really did not occur to the leadership that any self-respecting Conservative MP would not regard Bercow as the enemy within.
"If there was a general election tomorrow, who would you vote for?"
Con 28
Lab 38
LD 6
UKIP 14
SNP 5
It even has the Tories behind in the South.
Not sure what to make of these results now.
Ashya King and the arrogance of the big state
https://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/260068703?access_key=key-g7ZvILP3zN0QZVM1Pj8H&allow_share=true&escape=false&view_mode=scroll
Page 10.
Night all.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/26/britain-king-richard-iii-tyrant#comment-49525078
@Mr_Eugenides: Polly on Richard III:“The one benefit of a supremely privileged family is to prove…that talent and brains are randomly assigned” Well, quite
It'd be hard to have a pint with Cameron. You'd be tempted to glass him. #BattleforNo10
I would say that has to be a spoof account...but it has the verified tick....
It was closer than that in reality.
Russia has Lenin on display, China has Mao, France has Napoleon. It is par for the course.
He is very good.
Their website says the German police have found something significant at Pilot Lubitz's home...drugs??
10 Labour voters now intend to vote...Labour
3 Tories had their mind changed to...Tory
2 Lib Dem voters have defected to...the Lib Dems
4 Kippers have switched to...UKIP.
2 'Don't Know' have been convinced by...Don't Know
"Cameron has his facts and figures to hand and is not allowing Paxman to throw him off course in giving his answers, despite tough questioning from him."
"First time I’ve listened to Ed Miliband… Arrrr 80 minutes of it."
"Miliband’s words sound like a fairytale. Easier said than done."
"David v Ed question put him on the spot! Do I vote for someone who would undermine his brother like he did?"
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/26/cameron-paxman-miliband-undecided-voters-poll
I think they just surveyed SeanT?
SNP GAIN Glenrothes West (Fife) from Labour.
Suppose I'm banned now.
SNP - 55.3% (+26.0)
LAB - 35.8% (-8.5)
CON - 4.4% (-0.4)
UKIP - 3.2% (+3.2)
LDEM - 1.3% (-1.3)
CON 624
LAB 3,864
LIB 24
SNP 3,701
Other 201
Glenrothes West (Fife) vote result:
SNP - 2539
LAB - 1643
CON - 202
UKIP - 146
LDEM - 61
Electoral Calculus has SNP at 46 seats.
LAB 4,951 59%
SNP 2,200 26%
606
621
Former Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan ordered journalists to dig for dirt on the editor of Private Eye after being mocked on a TV show a court was told today.
Morgan appeared on the BBC’s satirical quiz show “Have I Got News for You” in May 1996. During the programme, Ian Hislop, accused him of arranging for reporters follow him around and stake out his home. During evidence at the trial of ex-Mirror reporter, Graham Brough, it was revealed that after the show Morgan instructed Brough, who was the senior reporter at the newspaper, to carry out an investigation on Hislop. However Brough later reported back that he had found nothing scandalous about the Private Eye editor as it appeared he had led a “blameless life”.
A Miliband premiership would be closer to Brown (court acolytes plotting against too mighty ministers) than Cameron or Blair........
It has caused Cameron difficulties when he has found his ministers are bloody incompetent e.g Caroline Spleman, but as an approach to government far better than Brown "I must personally rule on everything, from paper clip purchases to aircraft carriers".
But we wouldn't have got for instance Webb's pension reforms with somebody like Brown at the top. He would still be arguing about the minute details and working out how to shaft the Tories over it.
There were all those stories of just paperwork piling up under Brown, that needed to be signed off, because he wouldn't do anything until he had looked into the details of absolutely everything.
Brown could get away with the control freaky minute detail unable to make a decision quickly when at the treasury, as your job there is a) detail and b) your whole year revolves around 2 big set pieces.
Con1,576
Lab 1,181
Lib 41
PC 31
Other 2,521
Llantwit Major (Vale of Glamorgan) vote result:
CON - 1016
LIND - 1004
LAB - 378
PC - 95
Conservatives: Clifford 813, Austin 759, Downe 544, Grant 536 (23%)
Labour: Price 541, Beech 502, Batchelor 471, Denman 411 (17%)
Plaid Cymru: Stephens 269 (2%)
Candidates duly nominated: Wynford Bellin (Plaid), Tony Bennett (Con), Jack Hawkins (Lab), Mick Mason (Llantwit First)
Brown 910 E, Walker 349, Grant 941 E (42%)
Labour: Craik 708 E, Campbell 1,424 E (41%)
Independents: Robertson 147, Taylor 192 (7%)
Scottish Pensioners Party: Dawson 271 (5%)
Conservative: Irvine 155 (3%)
Liberal Democrat: Adamson 83 (2%)
Last election.
Just how it will actually go down in the country at large, and just how much attention voters will give to 90 minutes of politics on a Thursday night several weeks before the election, won't be revealed amid the dirty coffee cups of a post-programme spin room.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32080184
Cameron did OK-Came across as the elder statesman.
Miliband did well-Came across as good looking,smart and funny guy but slightly geeky.
Set-piece Dave struggling with his lack of spontaneous humour.
"'Are you OK Ed? Are you alright?' Paxman's words of comfort after mauling Miliband who is branded a 'geek' who knifed his brother in the back - as poll says Cameron wins first TV contest... but only just"
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He had his little ways.
And sometimes no one spoke to him
For days and days and days.
An excessive amount of time and effort will now be wasted overanalysing the detail.
There were no major gaffes, nothing to change the momentum of the campaign or end the deadlock in the polls.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32081716