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  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited March 2015
    Consensus on a forum I post on (of people who generally aren't THAT interested in politics) is that Ed came over as surprisingly human and defended himself well in the tough Paxman questions, but that he didn't give any real answer to the question of "why vote Labour?" whereas Cameron set out a much clearer case of why there should be another Tory government.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SamCoatesTimes: Instant result on tonight's TV debate by YouGov's First Verdict app for The Times:
    Cameron 51%
    Miliband 49%
    802 respondents
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Instant result on tonight's TV debate by YouGov's First Verdict app for The Times:
    Cameron 51%
    Miliband 49%
    802 respondents

    But the Guardian and BBC journo's are telling me that Ed thumped Cameron?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @johnestevens: Not the headline David Cameron will have wanted in tomorrow's Daily Mail 1st edition #BattleForNumber10 http://t.co/r8ibI5bEKP
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Danny565 said:

    isam said:

    Kay Burley is quite sexy isn't she?

    She looks unnatural...too much botox imo.
    Isam just brought up the B-word again, in a bad way. I've gone off him.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Evening all and listening to a procession of journalists on SKY, I think they need to get out of Westminster and talk to real people. Real people thought Cameron won.

    I suspect that Miliband saying the last Labour government didn't spend or borrow too much will start appearing on Tory posters.

    Good night all.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    TV ratings will be out around 10am tomorrow. I don't think there was a notable moment for a lot of people to catch up with it on YouTube/4OD.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Scott_P said:

    @RichardA: Tonight's Twitter is just confirmation bias data collection for future pol-sci PhDs.

    Only Secret Canadians count tweets.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Danny565 said:

    Consensus on a forum I post on (of people who generally aren't THAT interested in politics) is that Ed came over as surprisingly human, but that he didn't give any real answer to the question of "why vote Labour?" whereas Cameron set out a much clearer case of why there should be another Tory government.

    That seems to be the consensus for me as well. Dave stuck to his talking points and played a very straight bat with Paxman. Ed was very poor at the policy side, good on the personal stuff.

    End result: Ed not as bad, Dave still decent. Labour have no vision, Tories do.

    I would call that a net gain for Labour, but I doubt it will shift many votes.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    edited March 2015
    Can I just tell everybody that the BBC4 programme on the Pakistan-Indian railway link was brilliant. People are human everywhere.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Lynton Crosby vindicated, by the sounds of it.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Tories pull away.

    That was terrible by Miliband. Absolutely dreadful. The only bit he rallied was the second half of Paxo which was then totally undone by the 'off air' final question.

    Cameron won it by light years.

    Cameron wins it 54-46. About right.

    Not the twiterrati which is voodoo but ICM poll.

    Money going on tories.

    Ah I see
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Scott_P said:

    @johnestevens: Not the headline David Cameron will have wanted in tomorrow's Daily Mail 1st edition #BattleForNumber10 http://t.co/r8ibI5bEKP

    At least that's not the front page... Suicide Pilot
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Ok, I look forward to the morning thread

    Why an 8 point lead in the debate (from the Gold standard pollsters) means David Cameron cannot win the election...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulwaugh: Inept spin alert RT @IndyPolitics: Lab spin doctor dismisses poll "Ppl who watch late at nite "older, richer & tend to be more Conservative"
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    I'd be surprised if this moves voting intention even 0.1% on the day.

    1) Small audience
    2) Nothing decisive happened
    3) Most of those who watched will have forgotten it within 3 days, let alone 6 weeks.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    I think that could bump up Ed's favourability rating and therefore add a point or two to Labour's share. In the short term.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    MaxPB said:

    Danny565 said:

    Consensus on a forum I post on (of people who generally aren't THAT interested in politics) is that Ed came over as surprisingly human, but that he didn't give any real answer to the question of "why vote Labour?" whereas Cameron set out a much clearer case of why there should be another Tory government.

    That seems to be the consensus for me as well. Dave stuck to his talking points and played a very straight bat with Paxman. Ed was very poor at the policy side, good on the personal stuff.

    End result: Ed not as bad, Dave still decent. Labour have no vision, Tories do.

    I would call that a net gain for Labour, but I doubt it will shift many votes.
    Why shouldn't a seasoned politician with nothing else better to do not come across as anything less than human in a key job interview? He gets out of bed and puts on his underpants. That bits easy. Balancing the budget - ah...
  • Scott_P said:

    Ok, I look forward to the morning thread

    Why an 8 point lead in the debate (from the Gold standard pollsters) means David Cameron cannot win the election...

    I think I'm writing the morning thread,
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Janet Street Porter slaughtering the leftie voices of misery on QT
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    What the hell is going on with the Daily Mail

    Shocked
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    It raises the question: has CCHQ blown its foot off in trying to sabotage the debates? Given that Cameron is generally better at this than Miliband, surely the more debates the better for the blue team.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,142
    Incidentally, an '11 Chateauneuf du Pape went rather well with that debate. Will have to be repeated for the 7 way debate.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    What the hell is going on with the Daily Mail

    Shocked


    Early copy as Dave went first... No more or less.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    Lynton Crosby vindicated, by the sounds of it.

    Absolutely, not even a mention of not having a Dave vs Ed direct debate. That whole issue has fallen away and no one has noticed.

    I still think Dave would wipe the floor with Ed if Dave was properly warmed up. Hopefully his first 10 mins with Paxman will force him to do his homework for the 7-way and the leaders question time. Dave needs to get to grips better with the numbers. A lot better.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2015
    UKIPs Steven Woolfe impressive on QT, always a solid performer

    ..and Kay Burley fancies him!!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    TGOHF said:

    What the hell is going on with the Daily Mail

    Shocked


    Early copy as Dave went first... No more or less.
    Seen the Dave interview now.

    He really doesn't do detail does he
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    I think ultimately it came to slightly weird or weirdly odd (Miliband) versus jaded, tired and lacking ideas (Cameron).

    The brutality of politics is that weird never wins out in the end- Gore, Kerry, Romney and Brown.... all casualties.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MShapland: Reminder Miliband thinks the Dome was the biggest mistake of the last Labour Government not the Iraq war killing 100,000 #BattleForNumber10
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    TGOHF said:

    What the hell is going on with the Daily Mail

    Shocked


    Early copy as Dave went first... No more or less.
    That was a massive ricket from Ed wasn't it? Letting Dave go first
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Evening all and listening to a procession of journalists on SKY, I think they need to get out of Westminster and talk to real people. Real people thought Cameron won.

    I suspect that Miliband saying the last Labour government didn't spend or borrow too much will start appearing on Tory posters.

    Good night all.

    Good night.
    For the record, Brown increased spending by 50% between 2000 and 2010; in real terms. An increase never seen outside wartime.
    Has Mr N Palmer said yet if he thinks that was a good idea and where the money was supposed to come from?
    If Paxman did not know that or did and chose not to mention it - well he and every other commentator is derelict in their duty. As are duff Spectator journalists who praise - er duff journalists.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Up up and away for UKIP.

    Steven Woolfe doing really well on QT. Next future leader of UKIP.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    TGOHF said:

    What the hell is going on with the Daily Mail

    Shocked


    Early copy as Dave went first... No more or less.
    Still expected gushing
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @tnewtondunn: Our #SunNation Twitter Worm final verdict: Cameron stronger against Paxman, but Miliband scored better with audience; http://t.co/6gqRpEM49K

    @JananGanesh: Twitter's mastery of British public opinion demonstrated again tonight...
  • The ICM poll also asked about character.

    Ed Miliband did better than David Cameron on four counts: governing in the interests of the many not the few (55% v 27%); having the courage to say what’s right rather than what’s popular (51% v 35%); and understanding “people like me” (48% v 25%). And, when asked which leader was more spin than substance, Miliband also did better. Some 49% said Cameron was more spin than substance, but only 35% for Miliband.

    Cameron also won on four counts: being respected around the word (58% to 19%): being decisive (54% to 29%); being good in a crisis (46% to 21%); and being backed by his party (58% to 21%).

    The two men are almost equally matched on having “changed his party for the better”. Some 36% say that of Cameron, and 35% of Miliband.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    HYUFD said:

    Clever tactic by Miliband though to say the things he most admired about Cameron were introducing gay marriage and protecting overseas aid, the 2 things rightwingers and Kippers most loathe him for!

    I thought Labour were against the overseas aid? No on balance I think that was bad tactics - but maybe he was being honest.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Ah more Scot bashing on QT :)
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    isam said:

    TGOHF said:

    What the hell is going on with the Daily Mail

    Shocked


    Early copy as Dave went first... No more or less.
    That was a massive ricket from Ed wasn't it? Letting Dave go first
    Cams fault for not making the coin come down tails I suppose.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    Talking of the Daily Mail...they have picked upon the tweet posted earlier...I some how doubt we will be hearing about this on the BBC tomorrow.

    Father of 'jihadi bride' schoolgirl attended 2012 Islamist rally attended by Lee Rigby's killer and led by preacher Anjem Choudary

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3013703/Father-jihadi-bride-schoolgirl-attended-2012-Islamist-rally-attended-Lee-Rigby-s-killer-led-preacher-Anjem-Choudary.html
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    tyson said:

    I think ultimately it came to slightly weird or weirdly odd (Miliband) versus jaded, tired and lacking ideas (Cameron).

    The brutality of politics is that weird never wins out in the end- Gore, Kerry, Romney and Brown.... all casualties.

    Quoting myself (how narcissistic)- Nicky Morgan, case in point. I usually listen to Question Time on the Radio, and she is very compelling (verbally she pummelled Tristram Hunt). But watching her on TV tonight, she comes across as a side character in a David Lynch series. She has a really scary stare.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    The ICM poll also asked about character.

    Ed Miliband did better than David Cameron on four counts:... having the courage to say what’s right rather than what’s popular (51% v 35%); ...

    You couldn't ask for clearer evidence that it's the public, not politicians, who are out of touch with reality.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: Our #SunNation Twitter Worm final verdict: Cameron stronger against Paxman, but Miliband scored better with audience; http://t.co/6gqRpEM49K

    @JananGanesh: Twitter's mastery of British public opinion demonstrated again tonight...

    Interesting that is opposite to opinion on here. Most people thought Cameron did well with the audience, awful with Paxman and Miliband vice versa.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    MikeL said:

    I'd be surprised if this moves voting intention even 0.1% on the day.

    1) Small audience
    2) Nothing decisive happened
    3) Most of those who watched will have forgotten it within 3 days, let alone 6 weeks.

    Agreed. The already-forgotten failed knifing of the speaker was by far the most important event in British politics today, this week, maybe even the year so far.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    tyson said:

    tyson said:

    I think ultimately it came to slightly weird or weirdly odd (Miliband) versus jaded, tired and lacking ideas (Cameron).

    The brutality of politics is that weird never wins out in the end- Gore, Kerry, Romney and Brown.... all casualties.

    Quoting myself (how narcissistic)- Nicky Morgan, case in point. I usually listen to Question Time on the Radio, and she is very compelling (verbally she pummelled Tristram Hunt). But watching her on TV tonight, she comes across as a side character in a David Lynch series. She has a really scary stare.
    I realise why I hate debates and I have fallen into my own trap. Night...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: Our #SunNation Twitter Worm final verdict: Cameron stronger against Paxman, but Miliband scored better with audience; http://t.co/6gqRpEM49K

    Exact opposite of what DH thought.

    Cameron was dire on detail with Paxo

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    TGOHF said:

    What the hell is going on with the Daily Mail

    Shocked


    Early copy as Dave went first... No more or less.
    That was a massive ricket from Ed wasn't it? Letting Dave go first
    Cams fault for not making the coin come down tails I suppose.
    Not at all, I just read on here earlier that Ed had blundered by going last
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: Our #SunNation Twitter Worm final verdict: Cameron stronger against Paxman, but Miliband scored better with audience; http://t.co/6gqRpEM49K

    Exact opposite of what DH thought.

    Cameron was dire on detail with Paxo

    Not as bad as Ed. Ed was awful on policy. His ratings are as good as the are because he dealt very well with the personal stuff and the stuff about his brother. Even I think he did well with that and Paxman was looking too much like a bully.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Talking of the Daily Mail...they have picked upon the tweet posted earlier...I some how doubt we will be hearing about this on the BBC tomorrow.

    Father of 'jihadi bride' schoolgirl attended 2012 Islamist rally attended by Lee Rigby's killer and led by preacher Anjem Choudary

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3013703/Father-jihadi-bride-schoolgirl-attended-2012-Islamist-rally-attended-Lee-Rigby-s-killer-led-preacher-Anjem-Choudary.html

    These revelations around Muslim terrorism never begin to amaze me
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    LOL

    @JohnRentoul: Certain amount of customer resistance among Twitter Eddites to the verdict of the British public as conveyed by ICM.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,590
    Don't you see, the winner was us.

    Would have preferred we win with a debate, but can't have everything.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    83-17 win for Cameron on Newsnight poll
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: Our #SunNation Twitter Worm final verdict: Cameron stronger against Paxman, but Miliband scored better with audience; http://t.co/6gqRpEM49K

    Exact opposite of what DH thought.

    Cameron was dire on detail with Paxo

    I don't have problem with the PM not having total knowledge of detail. In fact I think it is an advantage.

    You delegate detail when you are in the top position.

    Gordon was a detail man, and bogged down with to the point of governmental paralysis, for example.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    philiph said:

    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: Our #SunNation Twitter Worm final verdict: Cameron stronger against Paxman, but Miliband scored better with audience; http://t.co/6gqRpEM49K

    Exact opposite of what DH thought.

    Cameron was dire on detail with Paxo

    I don't have problem with the PM not having total knowledge of detail. In fact I think it is an advantage.

    You delegate detail when you are in the top position.

    Gordon was a detail man, and bogged down with to the point of governmental paralysis, for example.
    I think that is fair and I have a similar opinion....However, when you go for the old job interview, it is normally a good idea to have done your homework and got a good grasp of the numbers. When you got the job, then you pay the minions to do the reports for you.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    83-17 win for Cameron on Newsnight poll

    Voodoo poll.
  • JamesMJamesM Posts: 221
    Since when was 36 v 35% a dead heat? Surely Cameron wins on 5v4 characteristic counts in the ICM poll?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135
    HYUFD said:

    Sunil (last thread) Opinium also had the Tories ahead on 36% last Sunday

    I included that in last week's ELBOW due to the fieldwork ending Saturday
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    So the polls call it an extremely marginal win for Cameron, with Miliband doing better in internals.

    All in all it's a Miliband win on expectations.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,590
    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: Our #SunNation Twitter Worm final verdict: Cameron stronger against Paxman, but Miliband scored better with audience; http://t.co/6gqRpEM49K

    Huh, I had it opposite. Come on, Twitter.
    Scott_P said:

    @paulwaugh: Inept spin alert RT @IndyPolitics: Lab spin doctor dismisses poll "Ppl who watch late at nite "older, richer & tend to be more Conservative"

    Now that's just low, anonymous Lab spin doctor, and you know you wouldn't say that if the polls were in your favour. They should just put up a disclaimer at the beginning that anyone watching must accept that in doing so they are a little bit weird, and then we need not mention how those watching are unrepresentative, how little impact it will have etc etc.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,963
    Flightpath No, only UKIP anti overseas aid, considering Brown's huge increase in it Labour very much in favour
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    tyson said:

    I think ultimately it came to slightly weird or weirdly odd (Miliband) versus jaded, tired and lacking ideas (Cameron).

    The brutality of politics is that weird never wins out in the end- Gore, Kerry, Romney and Brown.... all casualties.

    Brown had been around for 13 years. The others are all American
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    isam said:

    Talking of the Daily Mail...they have picked upon the tweet posted earlier...I some how doubt we will be hearing about this on the BBC tomorrow.

    Father of 'jihadi bride' schoolgirl attended 2012 Islamist rally attended by Lee Rigby's killer and led by preacher Anjem Choudary

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3013703/Father-jihadi-bride-schoolgirl-attended-2012-Islamist-rally-attended-Lee-Rigby-s-killer-led-preacher-Anjem-Choudary.html

    These revelations around Muslim terrorism never begin to amaze me
    These rallies are useful for giving Mi5 a few leads.

    This fellow lost his daughter to a slave trading nutter. But it is all someone elses fault, not his own fault for following a seventh century slave trader.
  • Oliver_PBOliver_PB Posts: 397
    edited March 2015
    MikeL said:

    I'd be surprised if this moves voting intention even 0.1% on the day.

    1) Small audience
    2) Nothing decisive happened
    3) Most of those who watched will have forgotten it within 3 days, let alone 6 weeks.

    Completely agreed. There's a good reason Cameron agreed to it but not a proper two-way debate which would actually get people's attention and potentially move the needle.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,963
    Paxman hit Miliband hard with his tale of a cabbie who said if Miliband was left in a room with Putin Putin would come out smiling with Miliband in pieces on the floor, hit home the perception he is weak. However, I also thought Ed M came back well by saying his opposition to action against Assad showed he could be tough when needed. Paxo also a little patronising at the end asking Ed if he was alright
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    I think the other issue is that Ed didn't get any knock out blows here like Clegg did in round one last time. Dave made a massive improvement from round one to round two and I expect him to do the same again, but Clegg won the crucial first round by a fair distance. Ed trailed a poor (by his own standards) Dave by 8 points. In the next round I think Ed is in trouble, Dave will be heavily coached to avoid the embarrassment that were the first 10 minutes vs Paxman and Ed may become complacent like Clegg did in round two.

    All to play for and luckily for Dave not many people will have seen this and tomorrow's headlines are going to be dominated by the plane crash and the suicidal pilot rather than the "debate".
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited March 2015
    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: Our #SunNation Twitter Worm final verdict: Cameron stronger against Paxman, but Miliband scored better with audience; http://t.co/6gqRpEM49K

    @JananGanesh: Twitter's mastery of British public opinion demonstrated again tonight...

    Interesting that is opposite to opinion on here. Most people thought Cameron did well with the audience, awful with Paxman and Miliband vice versa.
    No, Miliband failed with both. Expectations of him were hugely low, and he managed to fulfil them.
    Not according to the polling.

    Big winners from tonight, Paxman and Crosby (who has got his boss out of what could have been a far more negative situation if he had have done 3 debates all close to the GE).

    Small winner Miliband, as he managed to do equally as badly as Cameron, just marginally managed to not shit themselves and gives opportunities for cheerleaders to say he was awesome from incredibly low expectation point.

    Will it impact polling...seems unlikely.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Speedy said:

    83-17 win for Cameron on Newsnight poll

    Voodoo poll.
    They said it was demographically representative. Sample size of 6, mind. Rather offsets Allegra though.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited March 2015
    @benatipsosmori: Miliband emerged with 53% cheers to 47% boos on Twitter. First time we've seen a politician emerge with more cheers than boos overall.

    Ah, perhaps some context...

    @benatipsosmori: Labour much more disciplined online that Conservatives. Their MPs sent 358 Tweets. Conservative MPs sent just 27, #BattleforNo10

    May also explain my timeline full of win for Ed
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Steven Woolfe getting stony silence from the audience but he's making good points here.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135

    Can I just tell everybody that the BBC4 programme on the Pakistan-Indian railway link was brilliant. People are human everywhere.

    I was watching the "debate"! But I saw the (repeat?) of the Nepal-India railway link programme on Tuesday.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    This maybe going overboard but I think Steven Woolfe is UKIPs best TV performer... he'll probably get a bout of tourettes or something now Ive said that, but he never puts a foot wrong!
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Scott_P said:

    @benatipsosmori: Miliband emerged with 53% cheers to 47% boos on Twitter. First time we've seen a politician emerge with more cheers than boos overall.

    Apparently six times more people commented on Cameron than Miliband. How can that possibly be right?
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Sky just cannot help themselves. Now interviewing two of Camerons close friends asking them what they thought. Next up......an interview with Sam Cameron.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    Grandiose said:

    Scott_P said:

    @benatipsosmori: Miliband emerged with 53% cheers to 47% boos on Twitter. First time we've seen a politician emerge with more cheers than boos overall.

    Apparently six times more people commented on Cameron than Miliband. How can that possibly be right?
    Cameron went first and people got bored the longer it went on?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Grandiose said:

    Scott_P said:

    @benatipsosmori: Miliband emerged with 53% cheers to 47% boos on Twitter. First time we've seen a politician emerge with more cheers than boos overall.

    Apparently six times more people commented on Cameron than Miliband. How can that possibly be right?
    See my edit above
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Scott_P said:

    @benatipsosmori: Miliband emerged with 53% cheers to 47% boos on Twitter. First time we've seen a politician emerge with more cheers than boos overall.

    Ah, perhaps some context...

    @benatipsosmori: Labour much more disciplined online that Conservatives. Their MPs sent 358 Tweets. Conservative MPs sent just 27, #BattleforNo10

    May also explain my timeline full of win for Ed

    Popular on twitter.

    Well, what can you say?

    How did he do on facebook?
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    The Tories on 36% with ukip on 13%, if ukip poll below 10% in the election then the Tories could come close to winning
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    Scott_P said:

    @benatipsosmori: Miliband emerged with 53% cheers to 47% boos on Twitter. First time we've seen a politician emerge with more cheers than boos overall.

    Ah, perhaps some context...

    @benatipsosmori: Labour much more disciplined online that Conservatives. Their MPs sent 358 Tweets. Conservative MPs sent just 27, #BattleforNo10

    May also explain my timeline full of win for Ed

    Tories don't seem to get that this politics is a team game.

    I bet if Labour had set up the trap to oust the speaker, they would have "whipped" them through. Same when they come on the telly, it is auto droid speak...cost of living crisis....cost of living crisis....with laser like precision.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    edited March 2015
    ICM tables are on the Guardian feed..

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/260068703/Gdn-ICMFlashPollMilibandCameron

    93% of Conservatives said Cameron won.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    I bet if Labour had set up the trap to oust the speaker, they would have "whipped" them through.

    It was suggested that Labour did whip their MPs this morning
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    There's something about the soft dulcet tones of Jim....
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Pulpstar said:

    There's something about the soft dulcet tones of Jim....

    "Soporific" is the word for Murphy's voice.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Artist said:
    More interestingly:

    Lib Dem supporters broke for Miliband 52% to 48%. Ukip voters for Cameron 70% to 30%.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    So the polls call it an extremely marginal win for Cameron, with Miliband doing better in internals.

    All in all it's a Miliband win on expectations.

    54-46 from gold standard ICM is not "extremely marginal". It is a very clear win, especially when the polls show a dead heat.

    Even more, Miliband could only exceed expectations given his appalling personal polling - yet he failed.

    However I will repeat it for the final time, I don't believe this will shift a dozen votes.

    This election will be decided in Scotland, and by English voters deciding whether they want UKIP so much they will risk that idiot Miliband winning.

    Your hatred for Miliband is clouding your judgement.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    edited March 2015
    Artist said:

    ICM tables are on the Guardian feed..

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/260068703/Gdn-ICMFlashPollMilibandCameron

    93% of Conservatives said Cameron won.

    Hmm some strange weightings in that:

    Pre-poll voting intention:

    Con 253
    Lab 350

    ICM had the parties 36 and 35 in their last VI, something seems odd there.

    Dave won 17% of the Labour VI vs Ed winning 7% of the Tory VI, Dave also did well with UKIP at 68% vs Ed at 28%.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135
    Pulpstar said:

    There's something about the soft dulcet tones of Jim....

    I'm more worried about being transfixed by Nicky's eyes!!
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Jim Murphy appointing himself as president of Po-Face land.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Again Nicky Morgan- every, I mean every Tory politician talks about the Clarkson affair through the prism of the misery of their offspring at him being off air.

    When can a politician ever speak unscripted? Do they really have to user their children? Please.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    ICM Pre-Poll Voting Intention, Weighted

    Con 253
    Lab 350

    LOL.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited March 2015

    Artist said:
    More interestingly:

    Lib Dem supporters broke for Miliband 52% to 48%. Ukip voters for Cameron 70% to 30%.
    That was a close split on lib dems

    How did labour split?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MattChorley: SPIN EMAILS: Tonight was a clear illustration that Cameron/Miliband can/cannot defend/explain his record/plan and is/isn't fit to run a bath
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Artist said:
    More interestingly:

    Lib Dem supporters broke for Miliband 52% to 48%. Ukip voters for Cameron 70% to 30%.
    Is that good or bad for Dave or Ed ?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Conclusion for tonight's non-debate:
    Miliband won on expectations.

    Goodnight.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited March 2015
    We seemed to miss this announcement...

    Ed Balls said extending HS2 past Birmingham made 'no economic sense'
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Pulpstar said:

    There's something about the soft dulcet tones of Jim....

    I'm more worried about being transfixed by Nicky's eyes!!
    Reckon I'd vote for Woolfe of those lot.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    Dave and Ed really should have learned from this...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4ldiXhDrHw
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Ed wins in the north, Dave wins every other region (including Scotland). Ed piling up vote in safe seats?
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Mr Woolfe should have addressed the comment on EU migration providing a net benefit. Migration Watch have already criticised the report for making wild assumptions.

    The comment about 2 million British workers in the EU is beyond annoying as acquired rights cannot be lost.

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/briefing-papers/RP13-42/leaving-the-eu
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There's something about the soft dulcet tones of Jim....

    I'm more worried about being transfixed by Nicky's eyes!!
    Reckon I'd vote for Woolfe of those lot.
    He is running in Stockport... should have been given a seat with a bigger chance of winning surely?
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