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    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    But will Lord A have named candidates? .... probably not. :unamused:

    I reckon if we can name the candidate easily on here then the locals might know who it is. Alot of them are completely anonymous.

    I couldn't name the MP of where I'm sitting right now for instance.

    Think it's Clive Betts. Labour will be weighing the vote here, UKIP a very very distant second. Lib Dems to lose deposit methinks.
    If constituency polling in the UK has a flaw it's the almost complete failure to name candidates, the more so as polling day looms. The "your constituency" question mitigates the problem but it's still a weakness.

    Polls in the US invariably name candidates for Congress and many state wide elections and in a significant number of UK HoC seats this would be appropriate.

    In the US, the primaries are run some time before the main election so the candidates are well known. Here we still have plenty of seats that are still missing some candidates 2 months away from the election.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,055
    edited March 2015

    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    But will Lord A have named candidates? .... probably not. :unamused:

    I reckon if we can name the candidate easily on here then the locals might know who it is. Alot of them are completely anonymous.

    I couldn't name the MP of where I'm sitting right now for instance.

    Think it's Clive Betts. Labour will be weighing the vote here, UKIP a very very distant second. Lib Dems to lose deposit methinks.
    If constituency polling in the UK has a flaw it's the almost complete failure to name candidates, the more so as polling day looms. The "your constituency" question mitigates the problem but it's still a weakness.

    Polls in the US invariably name candidates for Congress and many state wide elections and in a significant number of UK HoC seats this would be appropriate.

    In the US, the primaries are run some time before the main election so the candidates are well known. Here we still have plenty of seats that are still missing some candidates 2 months away from the election.
    Those unnamed candidates 2 months out aren't going to have much time to get local traction. Named vs unnamed polling in Bradford West would reveal a big difference I think.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Just my luck. Am on my way to London to speak at a conference and will be on train when Lord A's new polling comes out.

    TSE will cover.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,209
    Indigo said:

    Charles said:

    Three judges have been fired for viewing pornography at work - a fourth would also have been sacked but resigned first.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1446671/three-judges-fired-for-watching-porn-at-work

    Another example of why the Labour title inflation was a bad idea. "Judge" should be restricted to the High Court and above.

    BTW, who watches porn at work? I can't think of a less conducive environment?
    Seems to be plenty of that sort of stupidity around today, like this one from the Mail. Not ideal if shown to be true, and from his .sch.uk (i.e professional) email account as well, no danger of that causing a problem!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2998567/Married-headteacher-caught-sending-sex-text-messages-prostitute-saying-wanted-wear-schoolgirl-uniform-spanked-threesome.html
    Guy denies it. Not impossible to think it was a tech-savvy kid at his school who hacked his accounts....

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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I'll judge Jack's ARSE on Bury North, I've got £20 on a Labour gain there at 1-2 and I'm confident I'll win a tenner. If I don't then I'll listen to his ARSE more in the future.

    If you'd have paid closer attention to my ARSE over the past two General Elections here and across the pond then you'll have won rather substantially more than a tenner !!

    Obviously I've got more on a tenner on the election and if your ARSE comes to fruition I think I'll win money but I'm disagreeing with you on Bury North. This was Ashcroft polled back in October, there hasn't been enough swing since then to dislodge Labour's good position and all the evidence points to the NW being quite kind to them (Far more so than Yorkshire say).
    For casting doubt on my ARSE PBers have been cast into the very depth of despair aka ConHome.

    However I'm of a generous disposition this morning and accordingly will just issue you with a yellow card and a warning as to your future conduct.

    "into the very depth of despair aka ConHome."

    That's not a very nice thing for an ex above-the-line contributor to say about ConHome!
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Charles said:

    Three judges have been fired for viewing pornography at work - a fourth would also have been sacked but resigned first.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1446671/three-judges-fired-for-watching-porn-at-work

    Another example of why the Labour title inflation was a bad idea. "Judge" should be restricted to the High Court and above.

    BTW, who watches porn at work? I can't think of a less conducive environment?
    Depends. During my time as a pianist at a local brothel ....
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,055
    edited March 2015
    I think my Conservative councillor old schoolmate has been at the Tory smelling salts too much. He thinks Derbyshire NE can go Conservative !
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Just my luck. Am on my way to London to speak at a conference and will be on train when Lord A's new polling comes out.

    TSE will cover.

    As TSE is on duty it is guaranteed to be trivial and boring.
    Nothing exciting every happens when he is on watch.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,873
    Do we know which marginals the good Lord is polling?

    Annoyingly I finished my LD analysis last night. So I have 45 minutes to get my bets on.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Indigo said:

    Charles said:

    Three judges have been fired for viewing pornography at work - a fourth would also have been sacked but resigned first.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1446671/three-judges-fired-for-watching-porn-at-work

    Another example of why the Labour title inflation was a bad idea. "Judge" should be restricted to the High Court and above.

    BTW, who watches porn at work? I can't think of a less conducive environment?
    Seems to be plenty of that sort of stupidity around today, like this one from the Mail. Not ideal if shown to be true, and from his .sch.uk (i.e professional) email account as well, no danger of that causing a problem!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2998567/Married-headteacher-caught-sending-sex-text-messages-prostitute-saying-wanted-wear-schoolgirl-uniform-spanked-threesome.html
    Guy denies it. Not impossible to think it was a tech-savvy kid at his school who hacked his accounts....

    Yes, I thought that as well. It would be spectacularly stupid to use your school (headmaster) email account to do it. Personally it doesn't bother me what he does with his own time, so long as it doesn't interfere with the pupils, its the usual sensationalist nonsense from the Rant, for me the main item of interest is the carelessness of using the official email address.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,055

    Do we know which marginals the good Lord is polling?

    Annoyingly I finished my LD analysis last night. So I have 45 minutes to get my bets on.

    How deep are Labour, Conservative and SNP going into Lib Dem seats according to your analysis ?
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,161
    edited March 2015

    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    But will Lord A have named candidates? .... probably not. :unamused:

    I reckon if we can name the candidate easily on here then the locals might know who it is. Alot of them are completely anonymous.

    I couldn't name the MP of where I'm sitting right now for instance.

    Think it's Clive Betts. Labour will be weighing the vote here, UKIP a very very distant second. Lib Dems to lose deposit methinks.
    If constituency polling in the UK has a flaw it's the almost complete failure to name candidates, the more so as polling day looms. The "your constituency" question mitigates the problem but it's still a weakness.

    Polls in the US invariably name candidates for Congress and many state wide elections and in a significant number of UK HoC seats this would be appropriate.

    In the US, the primaries are run some time before the main election so the candidates are well known. Here we still have plenty of seats that are still missing some candidates 2 months away from the election.
    A lot of voters won't be following the primaries that closely, especially floating ones. Conventionally, the presidential candidates get introduced to the voters at the conventions.
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    GeoffM said:

    Just my luck. Am on my way to London to speak at a conference and will be on train when Lord A's new polling comes out.

    TSE will cover.

    As TSE is on duty it is guaranteed to be trivial and boring.
    Nothing exciting every happens when he is on watch.
    I'll be editing PB on General Election night, so that means.

    Con gain Banff & Buchan and Bootle, Lab gain Arundel & South Down, Lib Dems gain Sheffield Central and UKIP gain Doncaster North
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    Do we know which marginals the good Lord is polling?

    Annoyingly I finished my LD analysis last night. So I have 45 minutes to get my bets on.

    Con/Lab Marginals which he has previously polled.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,741
    Roger said:

    "ARSE denier. :naughty:"

    LOL!

    Sceptic, please.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,055
    edited March 2015

    GeoffM said:

    Just my luck. Am on my way to London to speak at a conference and will be on train when Lord A's new polling comes out.

    TSE will cover.

    As TSE is on duty it is guaranteed to be trivial and boring.
    Nothing exciting every happens when he is on watch.
    I'll be editing PB on General Election night, so that means.

    Con gain Banff & Buchan and Bootle, Lab gain Arundel & South Down, Lib Dems gain Sheffield Central and UKIP gain Doncaster North
    UKIP gain Doncaster North is probably the only true 200-1 shot of those or so.
    Con gain Banff & Buchan perhaps 1000s.

    Other three alot longer :)
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,026
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    rcs1000 said:



    Bury North - Lab Gain
    Pudsey - TCTC
    Broxtowe - Lab Gain
    Warwickshire North - Lab Gain
    Cambridge - TCTC
    Ipswich - Likely Lab Gain
    Watford - TCTC
    Croydon Central - TCTC
    Enfield North - Lab Gain
    Cornwall North - TCTC
    Great Yarmouth - Con Hold
    Vale of Glamorgan - Likely Con Hold
    Ochil and South Perthshire - SNP Gain

    IMO

    I think Cornwall North will be a fairly easy Con gain.

    Want to put some money on Cambridge?
    Its TCTC and LD are IMO too short on Betfair at 1.70.


    LAB at 2.06 is about right i think
    You are devaluing your BJesus with such folly.

    Well i am confident that 3.15 on LAB most seats is far too high as regards BJESUS doesn't assume Cambridge goes red anymore but i think it will be a close run affair.

    We will see who was right on EICIPM / EWNBPM in 50 days.

    I just think the value is not on Cameron at 1.56
    One seat where the micro may be more accurate than the macro.

    Still no convergence between your BJ and the ARSE - someone is eating humble pie in 50 days :)

    Correct you think i am wrong presumably but do you really think CON hold with a greater than 500 majority in Bury North is credible?
    No idea about Bury North - but I'm bawdeep on Huppert (LD) in Cambridge (my constituency).

    For what it's worth, my switching matrix model has:

    Bury North 1,500 Lab majority
    Cambridge 3,000 LD majority
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,969
    edited March 2015
    Roger said:

    I wonder whether the time hasn't arrived for Labour to do some negative campaigning of their own. Perhaps a re-run of Peter Blake's award winning Sgt Pepper cover. "Dave's Mates". Charlie and Rebekkah Liz Murdoch Jeremy Clarkson Anthony Bamford Rachel Whetstone Andy Coulson Paul Dacre Quentin Letts.....and I haven't even had to start thinking yet.

    It is no wonder that socialists can't get to grips with advertising - and that they issued that masterful poster comparing Cameron to the much loved but terribly un-PC Gene Hunt sitting on the bonnet of an Audi Quattro.

    The point is to appeal outside of the pre-existing base, and not do anything to help popularize the opposition. The only people who know who the others that you mention are, either:
    a) already read the Guardian and already vote Labour or Green,
    b) fans of Clarkson who will never vote for the PC-brigade ever,
    or c) Tories who are grateful of the combined tax take from that group.

    Casting Cameron in one of the most popular album covers ever would boost his ratings - so go ahead Roge, make his day!

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,055
    @TheScreamingEagles Do you think the yellow peril will hold their deposit in Sheffield Central ?
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    Pulpstar said:

    @TheScreamingEagles Do you think the yellow peril will hold their deposit in Sheffield Central ?

    All Sheffield Lib Dems resources are being deployed in Hallam.

    I can see it happening, but then again, they polled 40%+ last time, so can't see them shedding nearly 90% of their vote to lose their deposit.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,873
    Pulpstar said:

    Do we know which marginals the good Lord is polling?

    Annoyingly I finished my LD analysis last night. So I have 45 minutes to get my bets on.

    How deep are Labour, Conservative and SNP going into Lib Dem seats according to your analysis ?
    I'm writing it up for my blog today, but I've got 16 x LD seats where the winner is by <5%.

    There's very little between the LDs holding 17 seats and saving 32 seats.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,947
    Pulpstar said:

    I think my Conservative councillor old schoolmate has been at the Tory smelling salts too much. He thinks Derbyshire NE can go Conservative !

    Could finish second ahead of UKIP but NE will not be shaking in her Berlin boots
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    JackW said:

    Charles said:

    Roger said:

    Fox

    "Many thanks for another showing of your ARSE."

    Until it deals with its lack of transparancy I think it should be cast into a bottomless pit

    I know you are a Labour supporter, but why don't you come up with an alternative rather than just carping from the sidelines?

    We can then decide, May 8, who was more accurate
    Don't be too harsh on @Roger as much of his intense focus on my ARSE is a result of the green eyed monster.

    He has a fine reputation on PB for political predictions that almost equals that of Ed Balls economic forecasting. :smile:

    PBers have long looked upon @Roger as something of a national treasure. We must endeavour to keep it that way.

    Jack - have you considered dropping Ochil from your list of seats your predicting for something a bit more marginal?
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,947
    Off for a Cineworld double bill so will catch up with marginal polling at tea time
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    Three judges have been fired for viewing pornography at work - a fourth would also have been sacked but resigned first.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1446671/three-judges-fired-for-watching-porn-at-work

    Another example of why the Labour title inflation was a bad idea. "Judge" should be restricted to the High Court and above.

    BTW, who watches porn at work? I can't think of a less conducive environment?
    Doesn't that depend on where you work?
    Any future meetings we have are going to be at *my* office, thank you very much
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    LennonLennon Posts: 1,743

    Pulpstar said:

    @TheScreamingEagles Do you think the yellow peril will hold their deposit in Sheffield Central ?

    All Sheffield Lib Dems resources are being deployed in Hallam.

    I can see it happening, but then again, they polled 40%+ last time, so can't see them shedding nearly 90% of their vote to lose their deposit.
    Somewhere like Sheffield Central could be very interesting in terms of minor parties and how they do. Who comes second in this seat and with what %? What order the parties? You've potentially got LD, Green, Tory, UKIP, (& Pirate?) all plausibly in the 5-10% range in this seat. No idea what order they come in...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,055

    JackW said:

    Charles said:

    Roger said:

    Fox

    "Many thanks for another showing of your ARSE."

    Until it deals with its lack of transparancy I think it should be cast into a bottomless pit

    I know you are a Labour supporter, but why don't you come up with an alternative rather than just carping from the sidelines?

    We can then decide, May 8, who was more accurate
    Don't be too harsh on @Roger as much of his intense focus on my ARSE is a result of the green eyed monster.

    He has a fine reputation on PB for political predictions that almost equals that of Ed Balls economic forecasting. :smile:

    PBers have long looked upon @Roger as something of a national treasure. We must endeavour to keep it that way.

    Jack - have you considered dropping Ochil from your list of seats your predicting for something a bit more marginal?
    Like Kirkcaldy :D ?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,055
    Lennon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @TheScreamingEagles Do you think the yellow peril will hold their deposit in Sheffield Central ?

    All Sheffield Lib Dems resources are being deployed in Hallam.

    I can see it happening, but then again, they polled 40%+ last time, so can't see them shedding nearly 90% of their vote to lose their deposit.
    Somewhere like Sheffield Central could be very interesting in terms of minor parties and how they do. Who comes second in this seat and with what %? What order the parties? You've potentially got LD, Green, Tory, UKIP, (& Pirate?) all plausibly in the 5-10% range in this seat. No idea what order they come in...
    Greens should be favourite for second, I'd have thought.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,959
    Given these seats were last polled when Labour were leading in the polls by a few points, it seems safe to assume some Blue improvement will have occurred. I wonder if just punting on the Tories in the first set of Ashcroft poll seats makes a simple trading bet?
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    scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Roger said:

    "Wouldn't the average voter feel far more uncomfortable having the DUP in government than the SNP? I certaily would. Isn't it time Ed started asking for assurances about the Tories and the DUP?"

    Yes of course but that is exactly the problem. Milliband has allowed the Tory press in the pocket of Crosby to dictate who he does or doesn't deal with instead if just saying that Cameron was effectively conceding the election. If you want to be Prime Minister the most important thing is to act like you are going to be Prime Minister. Make that the working assumption.

    Salmond is the most naturally gifted politican around. He is the one who won a majority in a PR system as opposed to Cameron not being able to win a majority in a FPP system! In another life he would certainly be the natural Labour leader like John Smith. In this life he is someone you should want in the tent in a balanced parliament not outside it. Outside it he will run rings around Milliband.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,326
    GeoffM said:

    Charles said:

    Three judges have been fired for viewing pornography at work - a fourth would also have been sacked but resigned first.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1446671/three-judges-fired-for-watching-porn-at-work

    Another example of why the Labour title inflation was a bad idea. "Judge" should be restricted to the High Court and above.

    BTW, who watches porn at work? I can't think of a less conducive environment?
    Depends. During my time as a pianist at a local brothel ....
    Not sure why you'd need porn if you worked in a brothel
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,208

    Roger said:

    "ARSE denier. :naughty:"

    LOL!

    Sceptic, please.
    Or septic, in that context, perhaps.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,055
    Quincel said:

    Given these seats were last polled when Labour were leading in the polls by a few points, it seems safe to assume some Blue improvement will have occurred. I wonder if just punting on the Tories in the first set of Ashcroft poll seats makes a simple trading bet?

    Cash truly tied up for me right now, and individual swings may well go both ways though ofc on average should be SOME swing to the Tories.

    Plus will the swing take care of the bookie overround for trading bets ?

    Also we don't know where is polled. It's a strategy I suppose but not for me before this set of polls.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,055
    edited March 2015
    @Quincel Also this set of polls needs to be good for the Conservatives to justify Lab at 2-1 for most seats I'd have thought or even worse Dave to be PM after GE trading in the 1.5 - 1.6 range.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Pulpstar said:

    Lennon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @TheScreamingEagles Do you think the yellow peril will hold their deposit in Sheffield Central ?

    All Sheffield Lib Dems resources are being deployed in Hallam.

    I can see it happening, but then again, they polled 40%+ last time, so can't see them shedding nearly 90% of their vote to lose their deposit.
    Somewhere like Sheffield Central could be very interesting in terms of minor parties and how they do. Who comes second in this seat and with what %? What order the parties? You've potentially got LD, Green, Tory, UKIP, (& Pirate?) all plausibly in the 5-10% range in this seat. No idea what order they come in...
    Greens should be favourite for second, I'd have thought.
    It is a national target seat (not one of the top 3 but in the next tier) so I would be hopeful of second. The Green party has never finished second in any constituency in a UK GE so that would be a big result.

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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,056
    Incredibly OT: what explodes if you cook it too much? [NB not microwaved].

    The Ladbrokes Buzzword Bingo which are worth a look [not backed any myself yet, will give it a proper look later if I remember]:
    Tough Decision 2.5
    Finish The Job 2.75
    Hard Choices 3
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,055
    edited March 2015
    Neil said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Lennon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @TheScreamingEagles Do you think the yellow peril will hold their deposit in Sheffield Central ?

    All Sheffield Lib Dems resources are being deployed in Hallam.

    I can see it happening, but then again, they polled 40%+ last time, so can't see them shedding nearly 90% of their vote to lose their deposit.
    Somewhere like Sheffield Central could be very interesting in terms of minor parties and how they do. Who comes second in this seat and with what %? What order the parties? You've potentially got LD, Green, Tory, UKIP, (& Pirate?) all plausibly in the 5-10% range in this seat. No idea what order they come in...
    Greens should be favourite for second, I'd have thought.
    It is a national target seat (not one of the top 3 but in the next tier) so I would be hopeful of second. The Green party has never finished second in any constituency in a UK GE so that would be a big result.

    Will you be in Bristol on the election day ?

    Am assuming Bristol West is an all hands to the pump effort, make sure you get all the potential Greens registered there :)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,055

    Incredibly OT: what explodes if you cook it too much? [NB not microwaved].

    The Ladbrokes Buzzword Bingo which are worth a look [not backed any myself yet, will give it a proper look later if I remember]:
    Tough Decision 2.5
    Finish The Job 2.75
    Hard Choices 3

    Don't bother with that, sell "tax" on Sporting index.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Pulpstar said:

    Neil said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Lennon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @TheScreamingEagles Do you think the yellow peril will hold their deposit in Sheffield Central ?

    All Sheffield Lib Dems resources are being deployed in Hallam.

    I can see it happening, but then again, they polled 40%+ last time, so can't see them shedding nearly 90% of their vote to lose their deposit.
    Somewhere like Sheffield Central could be very interesting in terms of minor parties and how they do. Who comes second in this seat and with what %? What order the parties? You've potentially got LD, Green, Tory, UKIP, (& Pirate?) all plausibly in the 5-10% range in this seat. No idea what order they come in...
    Greens should be favourite for second, I'd have thought.
    It is a national target seat (not one of the top 3 but in the next tier) so I would be hopeful of second. The Green party has never finished second in any constituency in a UK GE so that would be a big result.

    Will you be in Bristol on the election day ?

    Am assuming Bristol West is an all hands to the pump effort, make sure you get all the potential Greens registered there :)
    I wont even be in the country on election day. A badly timed committee meeting calls (I pointed out the difficulty it would cause UK based members at the time but to no avail, it's as if these people actively want to encourage Brexit ;) ).

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    scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    "Overall 53% of people think that Labour should rule out doing a deal with the SNP, but this is largely made up of Labour’s opponents, their own supporters are far more split over the idea. If there was a choice between a minority Labour government or an SNP/Lab coalition with a majority, Labour voters would be evenly divided but if the alternative was another Tory government Labour voters would back a deal with the SNP by 6 to 1."

    This from UK Polling Report encapsulates Ed's total stupidity. The people against a Labour/SNP deal were the Tory press and his opponents who don't want him as Prime Minister. The people for were Labour supporters who want the Tories out. In Scotland it always has been by far the most popular option. Once you allow the Tory wolves to taste blood as he has just done then there is real trouble to come.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,055
    edited March 2015
    scotslass said:

    "Overall 53% of people think that Labour should rule out doing a deal with the SNP, but this is largely made up of Labour’s opponents, their own supporters are far more split over the idea. If there was a choice between a minority Labour government or an SNP/Lab coalition with a majority, Labour voters would be evenly divided but if the alternative was another Tory government Labour voters would back a deal with the SNP by 6 to 1."

    This from UK Polling Report encapsulates Ed's total stupidity. The people against a Labour/SNP deal were the Tory press and his opponents who don't want him as Prime Minister. The people for were Labour supporters who want the Tories out. In Scotland it always has been by far the most popular option. Once you allow the Tory wolves to taste blood as he has just done then there is real trouble to come.

    The goading on this on Question Time etc was very obviously from Conservative plants.
    It seems to have worked. Neither Blair nor Brown would have been pushed around like this.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,959
    Pulpstar said:

    @Quincel Also this set of polls needs to be good for the Conservatives to justify Lab at 2-1 for most seats I'd have thought or even worse Dave to be PM after GE trading in the 1.5 - 1.6 range.

    Fair point. The strategy of backing Lab overall and Tory specific seats is getting just silly. There are Tory holds you can get longer than evens on, and then back Lab most seats at 2/1. OK, you could lose both bets if the Tories lose the seat but hold on overall (SNP etc helping out), but frankly if you take a couple of dozen Tory seats and spread the risk you get relatively near an arb.

    I've never actually taken the time to do this though. Maybe I should.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,055
    @Neil Are you on some sort of Green Euroboard :) ?
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @Pulpstar

    A slow, agonising death sounds like a preferable alternative to that.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,055
    Dave is fucked.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Shocking results for Con from LA..

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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,959
    Pulpstar said:

    Dave is fucked.

    2.5 on EdM to be PM available at some bookies. Nuts.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    edited March 2015
    Not so. All three of my lads are going to be old enough to vote at this GE for the first time, but it was only due to the lowered voting age that the youngest was also able to vote in the Indy Referendum. My youngest lad was then recently notified that he would have to register himself on the electoral role again to be eligible to vote at the GE, something which he has now done. So this could be an issue for some voters who were not 18 at the time of the Indy Referendum, but will be at the time of the GE in Scotland if they have not also done so.
    JamesMo said:

    DavidL said:

    I would be surprised if turnout in Scotland was not in the low 70s in the aftermath of the referendum which increased political participation to almost unprecedented heights but I tend to agree that in the UK as a whole it will be unimpressive. There is, bluntly, not a lot of enthusiasm for any of the major parties and many supporters of the smaller parties will come to the view that their particular favourite cannot win where they are so what is the point?

    Two things that might be contra-indicators relate to the clean up of the registers. In 2010 there were far more people on the registers who were not entitled to vote or who were on the register twice for perfectly legitimate reasons. So we are not directly comparing like with like. Furthermore the register in 2010 would have contained a much greater proportion of young people (who were unlikely to vote) than 2015. In fact I suspect quite a large % of those less inclined to vote will have disappeared from the register.

    Because of this I suspect that turnout may well match 2010 even if the underlying reality is lower participation in this wonderful democracy thing.

    I don't think the 'headline' turnout figure in Scotland will be that high. It was quite widely reported that over 97% of eligible voters had registered for the referendum, which strikes me as being a really high rate.

    Further, it's been confirmed by the relevant bodies that anyone registered for the referendum will also be registered for the general election. This means that the reported registration problems should not be such a big issue in Scotland.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,684
    Bad marginals for the Cons.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,209
    His Lordship's Bouncy Castle of Polling is just as bouncy in the marginals.

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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    I see Avery's work in Southampton is paying dividends for Rowenna.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,684
    Massive women problems for the Tories, huge delta in vote share. Close that and they have a chance, but as it stands the Tories are in trouble.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Horrendous child abuse cover up involving Cyril Smith being reported on Daily Politics

    Farage guest of the day on for the whole hour
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,995
    scotslass said:

    "Overall 53% of people think that Labour should rule out doing a deal with the SNP, but this is largely made up of Labour’s opponents, their own supporters are far more split over the idea. If there was a choice between a minority Labour government or an SNP/Lab coalition with a majority, Labour voters would be evenly divided but if the alternative was another Tory government Labour voters would back a deal with the SNP by 6 to 1."

    This from UK Polling Report encapsulates Ed's total stupidity. The people against a Labour/SNP deal were the Tory press and his opponents who don't want him as Prime Minister. The people for were Labour supporters who want the Tories out. In Scotland it always has been by far the most popular option. Once you allow the Tory wolves to taste blood as he has just done then there is real trouble to come.

    Nothing is going to change the SNP destroying Labour in Scotland, so Ed's thinking is completely focused on other parts of the UK.

    In any case, there is no sustainable agreement that Labour could do with the SNP.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,981
    The Good Lord hint's that it's curtains for the Etonians...
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    enfantenfant Posts: 34
    must be bad TSE so late out of the blocks
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,959
    Anyone else see a UKIP -> Labour movement? The Kippers are down in these seats, maybe the anti-Tory/government vote is coalescing?
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Time for the blues to cling to Jack's ARSE?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,209
    I can't discover from the report if the same polling company polled each time. Given we have had His Lordship's national polling exploring the outer reaches of margin of error each week, it is really hard to have much confidence that there is any consistency across his marginals polling....
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    I therefore decided to start going back to constituencies where my previous surveys have suggested tight races to see whether narrowing national polls – including a fair number of Conservative leads – were being reflected where it matters.

    Wait a minute. Isn't there a chance of a bias being introduced by this selection procedure?

    If we remember that there is a margin of error associated with all polls then there is a risk that he has selected those seats where the random noise in his previous polls was to the benefit of the Tories. Then part of the difference with the poll results this time is that the noise around the true level of support is now evenly distributed, thus producing an overall swing away from the Tories as an artefact of the selection procedure.

    This is rather similar to the biases in early US experiments into ESP, for those who are familiar with that story.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Pulpstar said:

    I love the understatement of our polticians at times.

    Labour's position in Scotland is "bad" & "They have a fight on their hands"

    The political landscape in Scotland has moved, not necessarily to the advantage of Labour.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited March 2015

    I therefore decided to start going back to constituencies where my previous surveys have suggested tight races to see whether narrowing national polls – including a fair number of Conservative leads – were being reflected where it matters.

    Wait a minute. Isn't there a chance of a bias being introduced by this selection procedure?

    If we remember that there is a margin of error associated with all polls then there is a risk that he has selected those seats where the random noise in his previous polls was to the benefit of the Tories. Then part of the difference with the poll results this time is that the noise around the true level of support is now evenly distributed, thus producing an overall swing away from the Tories as an artefact of the selection procedure.
    Yes, good point.

    In addition, the actual swings since his last polls look pretty randomly distributed (a net 8 points better for the Tories in Worcester, a net 10 points worse in City of Chester). I think that, given the margin of error on these polls, the noise outweighs the signal. You may be better advised to look at the national polls.
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    It seems the problem at the moment is that there are so many undecided voters out there, on the one hand they dont like the tories, on the other they dont like Ed Miliband, there is lot of voter churn going on, and only as the election draws into focus, when the manifestos are out ,and the final budget has fed through will we get a clearer picture of which camp people are moving too. My gut tells me people in the end will stick to the known rather than the unknown, the best of two evils, they will probably opt for the tories by a margin, not enough for a majority government, but tories most seats. But who knows - all to play for.
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    GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323

    I therefore decided to start going back to constituencies where my previous surveys have suggested tight races to see whether narrowing national polls – including a fair number of Conservative leads – were being reflected where it matters.

    Wait a minute. Isn't there a chance of a bias being introduced by this selection procedure?

    If we remember that there is a margin of error associated with all polls then there is a risk that he has selected those seats where the random noise in his previous polls was to the benefit of the Tories. Then part of the difference with the poll results this time is that the noise around the true level of support is now evenly distributed, thus producing an overall swing away from the Tories as an artefact of the selection procedure.
    Yes, good point.

    In addition, the actual swings since his last polls look pretty randomly distributed (a net 8 points better for the Tories in Worcester, a net 10 points worse in City of Chester). I think that, given the margin of error on these polls, the noise outweighs the signal. You may be better advised to look at the national polls.
    If Lord A picked seats where there had been particularly large or particularly low swings to Labour, it will be susceptible to a reversion to the mean.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,917

    I therefore decided to start going back to constituencies where my previous surveys have suggested tight races to see whether narrowing national polls – including a fair number of Conservative leads – were being reflected where it matters.

    Wait a minute. Isn't there a chance of a bias being introduced by this selection procedure?

    If we remember that there is a margin of error associated with all polls then there is a risk that he has selected those seats where the random noise in his previous polls was to the benefit of the Tories. Then part of the difference with the poll results this time is that the noise around the true level of support is now evenly distributed, thus producing an overall swing away from the Tories as an artefact of the selection procedure.
    Yes, good point.

    In addition, the actual swings since his last polls look pretty randomly distributed (a net 8 points better for the Tories in Worcester, a net 10 points worse in City of Chester). I think that, given the margin of error on these polls, the noise outweighs the signal. You may be better advised to look at the national polls.
    Bunker mentality beginning to kick in.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,981
    edited March 2015

    I can't discover from the report if the same polling company polled each time. Given we have had His Lordship's national polling exploring the outer reaches of margin of error each week, it is really hard to have much confidence that there is any consistency across his marginals polling....

    What's annoying about this election is that Lord A is the only one seemingly doing marginals polling.

    In 2010 we had regular marginals polling from ICM, YouGov and MORI. Nothing this time - Even ComRes (who did the occasional marginals poll a while ago) seem to have given up polling the marginals....

    Is the reason they've all stopped doing marginals polls that they weren't very good before 2010? I mean I know ICM have stopped because the Labour Party and Hacked Off put the NOTW out of business, but what about MORI and YouGov?

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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    I therefore decided to start going back to constituencies where my previous surveys have suggested tight races to see whether narrowing national polls – including a fair number of Conservative leads – were being reflected where it matters.

    Wait a minute. Isn't there a chance of a bias being introduced by this selection procedure?

    If we remember that there is a margin of error associated with all polls then there is a risk that he has selected those seats where the random noise in his previous polls was to the benefit of the Tories. Then part of the difference with the poll results this time is that the noise around the true level of support is now evenly distributed, thus producing an overall swing away from the Tories as an artefact of the selection procedure.

    This is rather similar to the biases in early US experiments into ESP, for those who are familiar with that story.
    The overall swing in the seats polled (from the previous set of polls) is 2% from Con to Lab, which is about what you would expect from the selection bias I suggest above.

    Of course, this would still mean that the Tories were not benefiting from Labour's decline in the National polls in these marginals, but, well, it could be worse.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,873
    If this is true, then it really is curtains for Dave. I'm surprised though, given how the national polls have moved.
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    kierankieran Posts: 77
    I think the most surprising thing, and worrying from a Con perspective, is that nationally his polling has been the post favourable for the Conservatives over the last few months (except for perhaps ICM).

    This is the first time we are seeing a real divergence between what is happening nationally and the marginals.

    In the period during which this fieldwork was done Ashcroft polls gave on average a national Con lead of 3% (a swing of 2%), whereas his marginals polls indicate a swing of 5%. Given the national average across the pollsters is actually a tie, the position in the marginals may be even worse for the Conservatives than this indicates.

    Personally, I don't think we will see a discrepancy that large - but it is perhaps partially explained by Labour's apparent over performance in England.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,959
    These polls are yet more evidence the LD will have a, erm, very efficient vote distribution in May. 8/11 on them losing 200+ deposits may yet still be a bit of value.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,056
    I wouldn't get over-excited by any one poll. Still weeks to go, and the Budget's tomorrow.
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    enfantenfant Posts: 34
    R.Navabi reporting directly from Tory HQ
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited March 2015
    Jonathan said:

    Bunker mentality beginning to kick in.

    Poppycock. I'm simply looking at the statistics. I've been saying for months that we shouldn't put too much faith in the constituency polls - what punters think is a measurement of the difference in swing in different constituencies is likely to be swamped by the statistical error (and that's even without worrying about the difficulties of sampling individual constituencies).
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    DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Pulpstar said:
    "Miliband also pledged to avoid a Labour government by continuing to appear in public like a string puppet controlled by a baby."

    Bwahahahahaha
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Quincel said:

    These polls are yet more evidence the LD will have a, erm, very efficient vote distribution in May. 8/11 on them losing 200+ deposits may yet still be a bit of value.

    And if believed the Cons whilst still polling around the same nationally must be piling up votes in safe seats as they are down in the marginals ?

    Those same seats where it is safe to vote Kipper and hence Kipper are doing well.

    Can't all be true.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,052
    Dave better re-think the debates and sharpish. Really, really poor judgment. It will haunt him if he loses because he will always think he could have battered Ed in a one to one.

    Better hope for a romper stomper of a budget
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,981
    kjohnw said:

    It seems the problem at the moment is that there are so many undecided voters out there, on the one hand they dont like the tories, on the other they dont like Ed Miliband, there is lot of voter churn going on, and only as the election draws into focus, when the manifestos are out ,and the final budget has fed through will we get a clearer picture of which camp people are moving too. My gut tells me people in the end will stick to the known rather than the unknown, the best of two evils, they will probably opt for the tories by a margin, not enough for a majority government, but tories most seats. But who knows - all to play for.

    As I've said before. What voters really want is David Cameron leading a Labour government.

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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    on those numbers, UKIP is utterly screwing the tories in these marginals eg. Itchen.

    No wonder Ossie is planning a gigantic inheritance tax bribe for the older voter.

    It won't work. These kippers won;t forgive the tories on their catastrophic immigration record.

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,873
    It looks around the 55-60 gains from the Tories mark to me, assuming this swing is replicated elsewhere. I'd knock off 15 seats for local/regional variation.. So say 45 Labour gains.

    Probably would put Labour on around 290 seats, the Tories on around 265 seats. SNP around 40 seats and Lib Dems around 30 seats.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,056
    Mr. Tyson, the debates argument cuts both ways, in that regard.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,055
    TGOHF said:



    Quincel said:

    These polls are yet more evidence the LD will have a, erm, very efficient vote distribution in May. 8/11 on them losing 200+ deposits may yet still be a bit of value.

    And if believed the Cons whilst still polling around the same nationally must be piling up votes in safe seats as they are down in the marginals ?

    Those same seats where it is safe to vote Kipper and hence Kipper are doing well.

    Can't all be true.
    UKIP won't be doing very well in the Tories safest ABC middle class seats, Conservatives majorities to be as big as ever in Surrey and so forth.
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    GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    edited March 2015
    taffys said:

    on those numbers, UKIP is utterly screwing the tories in these marginals eg. Itchen.

    No wonder Ossie is planning a gigantic inheritance tax bribe for the older voter.

    It won't work. These kippers won;t forgive the tories on their catastrophic immigration record.

    UKIP have fallen back in marginals, though, without an improvement in the Tories' position (squeezed, I suspect).

    e.g. Chester 15% > 10%; Croydon 19% > 13%; Nuneaton 19% > 14%; Itchen 19% > 17% (differing time periods).
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    The country's morals have crumbled under the weight of bad Lab/Lib/Con governments:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31908431
    Cyril Smith child abuse inquiry 'scrapped after his arrest'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31920906
    Judges sacked for watching porn

    Only one thing to do: vote UKIP to get the smell of corruption out of your nostrils.
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    woody662woody662 Posts: 255
    MikeK said:

    The country's morals have crumbled under the weight of bad Lab/Lib/Con governments:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31908431
    Cyril Smith child abuse inquiry 'scrapped after his arrest'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31920906
    Judges sacked for watching porn

    Only one thing to do: vote UKIP to get the smell of corruption out of your nostrils.

    Yes thank God they have never had any MEP's sent to jail!!
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    woody662 said:

    MikeK said:

    The country's morals have crumbled under the weight of bad Lab/Lib/Con governments:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31908431
    Cyril Smith child abuse inquiry 'scrapped after his arrest'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31920906
    Judges sacked for watching porn

    Only one thing to do: vote UKIP to get the smell of corruption out of your nostrils.

    Yes thank God they have never had any MEP's sent to jail!!
    Or caught in massage parlours.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    MikeK said:

    The country's morals have crumbled under the weight of bad Lab/Lib/Con governments:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31908431
    Cyril Smith child abuse inquiry 'scrapped after his arrest'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31920906
    Judges sacked for watching porn

    Only one thing to do: vote UKIP to get the smell of corruption out of your nostrils.

    Tom Wise UKIP MEP...?
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