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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Pulpstar said:

    hucks67 said:

    The key questions for me are

    1) Will UKIP win 10%+ of the votes ?
    2) In what areas of the country will UKIP perform better and affect the outcome ?
    3) Lib Dems will hold onto their safe seats, but what will happen to the 2010 Lib Dem votes, where they cannot win ?
    4) Will SNP perform as well as the polls predict or will 2010 Labour supporters return to voting for the existing MP ?
    5) Will the level of turnout to vote hurt Labour ?

    1) I reckon 9 point something for UKIP. But it will be lumpy. I still don't see them breaking through on FPTP.

    2) The Midlands is the fascinating one for me. The LibDems never really got into top gear in the Midlands, which has been largely a Lab/Con ding-dong for decades. UKIP getting in the mix here would be fascinating. And unpredictable. Recent press reports of Labour getting worried are obviously wholly at odds with the steady-as-a-rock reports from Broxtowe. We'll see.

    3) define LibDem "safe seats". Current polling is heading downwards to 25 year lows, not improving.

    4) The SNP have the easiest message to deliver of anyone in this election. "Keep Westminster true to the Pledge. For Scotland. Vote SNP" It appeals to those who voted Yes. It appeals to those who voted No, but...more devolution. Plus they have a huge team of beserkers to campaign for them. I see them topping 50% of the Scottish vote.

    5) I don't see the registration drops hurting Labour particularly. I expect the biggest drops are in their safest seats.
    1. Yes
    2. South East/East coast, could affect outcomes adversely for Labour in the Midlands, Conservatives in SW. Just a finger in the air guess though. On a good night some gains from lab in South Yorks
    3.Evaporate, stay at home, go green, go UKIP. Lib Dem truly safe seats are thin, maybe less than 10.
    4. A modest swingback, SNP by 15 pts which will be good enough for 45 seats or so.
    5. Maybe, a tiny bit but it'll be lost in roundings.
    2. Won't strong UKIP in SW eat into LD support first? I always found it amusing the the SW LD were anti-EU (particularly CFP). That should *help* the Tories not hurt them
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Pulpstar said:

    I'll judge Jack's ARSE on Bury North, I've got £20 on a Labour gain there at 1-2 and I'm confident I'll win a tenner. If I don't then I'll listen to his ARSE more in the future.

    If you'd have paid closer attention to my ARSE over the past two General Elections here and across the pond then you'll have won rather substantially more than a tenner !!

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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:



    Bury North - Lab Gain
    Pudsey - TCTC
    Broxtowe - Lab Gain
    Warwickshire North - Lab Gain
    Cambridge - TCTC
    Ipswich - Likely Lab Gain
    Watford - TCTC
    Croydon Central - TCTC
    Enfield North - Lab Gain
    Cornwall North - TCTC
    Great Yarmouth - Con Hold
    Vale of Glamorgan - Likely Con Hold
    Ochil and South Perthshire - SNP Gain

    IMO

    I think Cornwall North will be a fairly easy Con gain.

    Want to put some money on Cambridge?
    Its TCTC and LD are IMO too short on Betfair at 1.70.


    LAB at 2.06 is about right i think
    My Labour member friend in Cambridge is pretty pessimistic about their chances. He might be wrong, of course, but the Labour Party has been going backwards in local elections recently.
    Their crazy decision to field a retread who finished 3rd behind the Cons in 2010 was "interesting".

    There are reasons he finished 3rd - not all national.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1268389/Labour-candidate-performing-Nazi-salute-Cambridge-University-debate.html
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,940
    TGOHF said:

    rcs1000 said:



    Bury North - Lab Gain
    Pudsey - TCTC
    Broxtowe - Lab Gain
    Warwickshire North - Lab Gain
    Cambridge - TCTC
    Ipswich - Likely Lab Gain
    Watford - TCTC
    Croydon Central - TCTC
    Enfield North - Lab Gain
    Cornwall North - TCTC
    Great Yarmouth - Con Hold
    Vale of Glamorgan - Likely Con Hold
    Ochil and South Perthshire - SNP Gain

    IMO

    I think Cornwall North will be a fairly easy Con gain.

    Want to put some money on Cambridge?
    Its TCTC and LD are IMO too short on Betfair at 1.70.


    LAB at 2.06 is about right i think
    You are devaluing your BJesus with such folly.

    Well i am confident that 3.15 on LAB most seats is far too high as regards BJESUS doesn't assume Cambridge goes red anymore but i think it will be a close run affair.

    We will see who was right on EICIPM / EWNBPM in 50 days.

    I just think the value is not on Cameron at 1.56
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,976
    Wouldn't the average voter feel far more uncomfortable having the DUP in government than the SNP? I certaily would. Isn't it time Ed started asking for assurances about the Tories and the DUP?

    Footage of Paisley and his tirades against 'papists and homosexuals' should go down really well with Cameron's caring sharing Britain.

    Time for Ed to get on the front foot again.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I'll judge Jack's ARSE on Bury North, I've got £20 on a Labour gain there at 1-2 and I'm confident I'll win a tenner. If I don't then I'll listen to his ARSE more in the future.

    If you'd have paid closer attention to my ARSE over the past two General Elections here and across the pond then you'll have won rather substantially more than a tenner !!

    Obviously I've got more on a tenner on the election and if your ARSE comes to fruition I think I'll win money but I'm disagreeing with you on Bury North. This was Ashcroft polled back in October, there hasn't been enough swing since then to dislodge Labour's good position and all the evidence points to the NW being quite kind to them (Far more so than Yorkshire say).
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    rcs1000 said:



    Bury North - Lab Gain
    Pudsey - TCTC
    Broxtowe - Lab Gain
    Warwickshire North - Lab Gain
    Cambridge - TCTC
    Ipswich - Likely Lab Gain
    Watford - TCTC
    Croydon Central - TCTC
    Enfield North - Lab Gain
    Cornwall North - TCTC
    Great Yarmouth - Con Hold
    Vale of Glamorgan - Likely Con Hold
    Ochil and South Perthshire - SNP Gain

    IMO

    I think Cornwall North will be a fairly easy Con gain.

    Want to put some money on Cambridge?
    Its TCTC and LD are IMO too short on Betfair at 1.70.


    LAB at 2.06 is about right i think
    You are devaluing your BJesus with such folly.

    Well i am confident that 3.15 on LAB most seats is far too high as regards BJESUS doesn't assume Cambridge goes red anymore but i think it will be a close run affair.

    We will see who was right on EICIPM / EWNBPM in 50 days.

    I just think the value is not on Cameron at 1.56
    One seat where the micro may be more accurate than the macro.

    Still no convergence between your BJ and the ARSE - someone is eating humble pie in 50 days :)

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054

    TGOHF said:

    rcs1000 said:



    Bury North - Lab Gain
    Pudsey - TCTC
    Broxtowe - Lab Gain
    Warwickshire North - Lab Gain
    Cambridge - TCTC
    Ipswich - Likely Lab Gain
    Watford - TCTC
    Croydon Central - TCTC
    Enfield North - Lab Gain
    Cornwall North - TCTC
    Great Yarmouth - Con Hold
    Vale of Glamorgan - Likely Con Hold
    Ochil and South Perthshire - SNP Gain

    IMO

    I think Cornwall North will be a fairly easy Con gain.

    Want to put some money on Cambridge?
    Its TCTC and LD are IMO too short on Betfair at 1.70.


    LAB at 2.06 is about right i think
    You are devaluing your BJesus with such folly.

    Well i am confident that 3.15 on LAB most seats is far too high as regards BJESUS doesn't assume Cambridge goes red anymore but i think it will be a close run affair.

    We will see who was right on EICIPM / EWNBPM in 50 days.

    I just think the value is not on Cameron at 1.56
    1.56 is an awful price.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,940
    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I'll judge Jack's ARSE on Bury North, I've got £20 on a Labour gain there at 1-2 and I'm confident I'll win a tenner. If I don't then I'll listen to his ARSE more in the future.

    If you'd have paid closer attention to my ARSE over the past two General Elections here and across the pond then you'll have won rather substantially more than a tenner !!

    How much do you expect to stake on CON hold Bury North?
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    PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274
    Roger said:

    Wouldn't the average voter feel far more uncomfortable having the DUP in government than the SNP? I certaily would. Isn't it time Ed started asking for assurances about the Tories and the DUP?

    Footage of Paisley and his tirades against 'papists and homosexuals' should go down really well with Cameron's caring sharing Britain.

    Time for Ed to get on the front foot again.

    You speak of yesteryear. While the DUP is certainly sternly evangelical, the bigotry of the past is largely buried. Unlike the SNP the DUP does not favour breaking up the country and is not obsessed with unilateral nuclear disarmament.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    Roger said:

    Wouldn't the average voter feel far more uncomfortable having the DUP in government than the SNP? I certaily would. Isn't it time Ed started asking for assurances about the Tories and the DUP?

    Footage of Paisley and his tirades against 'papists and homosexuals' should go down really well with Cameron's caring sharing Britain.

    Time for Ed to get on the front foot again.

    Ed might well want, or need to do a deal with the DUP himself.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I'll judge Jack's ARSE on Bury North, I've got £20 on a Labour gain there at 1-2 and I'm confident I'll win a tenner. If I don't then I'll listen to his ARSE more in the future.

    If you'd have paid closer attention to my ARSE over the past two General Elections here and across the pond then you'll have won rather substantially more than a tenner !!

    Obviously I've got more on a tenner on the election and if your ARSE comes to fruition I think I'll win money but I'm disagreeing with you on Bury North. This was Ashcroft polled back in October, there hasn't been enough swing since then to dislodge Labour's good position and all the evidence points to the NW being quite kind to them (Far more so than Yorkshire say).
    For casting doubt on my ARSE PBers have been cast into the very depth of despair aka ConHome.

    However I'm of a generous disposition this morning and accordingly will just issue you with a yellow card and a warning as to your future conduct.

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    Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    hucks67 said:

    The key questions for me are

    1) Will UKIP win 10%+ of the votes ?
    2) In what areas of the country will UKIP perform better and affect the outcome ?
    3) Lib Dems will hold onto their safe seats, but what will happen to the 2010 Lib Dem votes, where they cannot win ?
    4) Will SNP perform as well as the polls predict or will 2010 Labour supporters return to voting for the existing MP ?
    5) Will the level of turnout to vote hurt Labour ?

    1) I reckon 9 point something for UKIP. But it will be lumpy. I still don't see them breaking through on FPTP.

    2) The Midlands is the fascinating one for me. The LibDems never really got into top gear in the Midlands, which has been largely a Lab/Con ding-dong for decades. UKIP getting in the mix here would be fascinating. And unpredictable. Recent press reports of Labour getting worried are obviously wholly at odds with the steady-as-a-rock reports from Broxtowe. We'll see.

    3) define LibDem "safe seats". Current polling is heading downwards to 25 year lows, not improving.

    4) The SNP have the easiest message to deliver of anyone in this election. "Keep Westminster true to the Pledge. For Scotland. Vote SNP" It appeals to those who voted Yes. It appeals to those who voted No, but...more devolution. Plus they have a huge team of beserkers to campaign for them. I see them topping 50% of the Scottish vote.

    5) I don't see the registration drops hurting Labour particularly. I expect the biggest drops are in their safest seats.
    1. Yes
    2. South East/East coast, could affect outcomes adversely for Labour in the Midlands, Conservatives in SW. Just a finger in the air guess though. On a good night some gains from lab in South Yorks
    3.Evaporate, stay at home, go green, go UKIP. Lib Dem truly safe seats are thin, maybe less than 10.
    4. A modest swingback, SNP by 15 pts which will be good enough for 45 seats or so.
    5. Maybe, a tiny bit but it'll be lost in roundings.
    2. Won't strong UKIP in SW eat into LD support first? I always found it amusing the the SW LD were anti-EU (particularly CFP). That should *help* the Tories not hurt them
    Yes. A lot of the Libdem vote in SW is in my opinion a revolt against the tories becoming too detached and remote and will decamp to the kippers.

    I am watching out for some major infrastructure announcements tomorrow. Wouldn't be surprised to see an announcement of Waterloo - Exeter redoubling and 25kV electrification (along with new capacity enhancing flyovers at Woking and Basingstoke) and Exeter - Okehampton - Plymouth reopening and Electrification to create a new Intercity route with hourly trains taking about 1 3/4 hours to Exeter and 2 1/2 hours to Plymouth.
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    Looking at the phone polls, the only pollster that has Lab ahead doesn't recall by (2010) past vote
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,940
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    rcs1000 said:



    Bury North - Lab Gain
    Pudsey - TCTC
    Broxtowe - Lab Gain
    Warwickshire North - Lab Gain
    Cambridge - TCTC
    Ipswich - Likely Lab Gain
    Watford - TCTC
    Croydon Central - TCTC
    Enfield North - Lab Gain
    Cornwall North - TCTC
    Great Yarmouth - Con Hold
    Vale of Glamorgan - Likely Con Hold
    Ochil and South Perthshire - SNP Gain

    IMO

    I think Cornwall North will be a fairly easy Con gain.

    Want to put some money on Cambridge?
    Its TCTC and LD are IMO too short on Betfair at 1.70.


    LAB at 2.06 is about right i think
    You are devaluing your BJesus with such folly.

    Well i am confident that 3.15 on LAB most seats is far too high as regards BJESUS doesn't assume Cambridge goes red anymore but i think it will be a close run affair.

    We will see who was right on EICIPM / EWNBPM in 50 days.

    I just think the value is not on Cameron at 1.56
    One seat where the micro may be more accurate than the macro.

    Still no convergence between your BJ and the ARSE - someone is eating humble pie in 50 days :)

    Correct you think i am wrong presumably but do you really think CON hold with a greater than 500 majority in Bury North is credible?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    @JackW I'll be interested in your turnout projection though, I've got those wrong recently.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,199
    Financier said:

    This could undermine the SNP economics even more.

    "With the Budget just 48 hours away, the North Sea oil and gas industry is eagerly awaiting details of major tax cuts I am told are being prepared by the Treasury.

    At the moment, the sector pays high levels of tax compared to other industries. It pays a corporation tax rate of 30% and an additional "supplementary tax" of 32%. For older fields, the rate can rise as high as 80%, according to Mike Tholen, economics director at Oil and Gas UK, the main industry body.

    In the past, the North Sea has always been considered something of a cash cow, there to be milked by governments of all political hues. But the collapsing oil price has meant that the economics of doing business in the sector have changed radically.

    As the Greek proverb says, when milking a cow be careful not to pull the udders off.

    The oil industry argues that the major tax rises the government put in place in 2011 - when the oil price averaged above $111 a barrel (it's now around $55) - should now be reversed.

    That would mean bringing the supplementary tax rate down to 20%. The government has already agreed that it should be reduced from 32% to 30%.

    And now it looks clear that the Treasury is going to go a lot further. And certainly the industry thinks a 10% tax cut is not out of the question."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-31906966

    Rather more immediately to the point, especially at a time when indyref is off the menu (except in the minds of Labour and the Tories, and the xenophobic rants of London newspapers, censored from their Scottish editions), it seriously undermines the Unionist argument on 'pooling and sharing'. If this is what happens before and after a No vote ...

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    Roger said:

    Wouldn't the average voter feel far more uncomfortable having the DUP in government than the SNP? I certaily would. Isn't it time Ed started asking for assurances about the Tories and the DUP?

    Footage of Paisley and his tirades against 'papists and homosexuals' should go down really well with Cameron's caring sharing Britain.

    Time for Ed to get on the front foot again.

    How easily you forget (repress?) Gordon Brown

    Gordon Brown managed to fight off a Labour rebellion on the controversial 42-day anti-terror legislation by a majority of just nine votes. 37 Labour MPs voted against the government. All nine DUP MPs voted with the government, prompting allegations that the DUP had engaged in political horse-trading.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/ni/2008/06/dup_rescues_gordon_brown.html
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    rcs1000 said:



    Bury North - Lab Gain
    Pudsey - TCTC
    Broxtowe - Lab Gain
    Warwickshire North - Lab Gain
    Cambridge - TCTC
    Ipswich - Likely Lab Gain
    Watford - TCTC
    Croydon Central - TCTC
    Enfield North - Lab Gain
    Cornwall North - TCTC
    Great Yarmouth - Con Hold
    Vale of Glamorgan - Likely Con Hold
    Ochil and South Perthshire - SNP Gain

    IMO

    I think Cornwall North will be a fairly easy Con gain.

    Want to put some money on Cambridge?
    Its TCTC and LD are IMO too short on Betfair at 1.70.


    LAB at 2.06 is about right i think
    You are devaluing your BJesus with such folly.

    Well i am confident that 3.15 on LAB most seats is far too high as regards BJESUS doesn't assume Cambridge goes red anymore but i think it will be a close run affair.

    We will see who was right on EICIPM / EWNBPM in 50 days.

    I just think the value is not on Cameron at 1.56
    One seat where the micro may be more accurate than the macro.

    Still no convergence between your BJ and the ARSE - someone is eating humble pie in 50 days :)

    We have no truck with humble pie at Auchentennach fine comestibles.

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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Roger said:

    Fox

    "Many thanks for another showing of your ARSE."

    Until it deals with its lack of transparancy I think it should be cast into a bottomless pit

    I know you are a Labour supporter, but why don't you come up with an alternative rather than just carping from the sidelines?

    We can then decide, May 8, who was more accurate
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,805
    Roger said:

    Wouldn't the average voter feel far more uncomfortable having the DUP in government than the SNP? I certaily would. Isn't it time Ed started asking for assurances about the Tories and the DUP?

    Footage of Paisley and his tirades against 'papists and homosexuals' should go down really well with Cameron's caring sharing Britain.

    Time for Ed to get on the front foot again.

    ROFL

    sorry Roger isn't Labour now the nun bashing party ?

    Surely Tristam\Julian\Tarquin\Quentin's rant against Catholic education was to suck up to the DUP ?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,020
    Roger said:

    Wouldn't the average voter feel far more uncomfortable having the DUP in government than the SNP? I certaily would. Isn't it time Ed started asking for assurances about the Tories and the DUP?

    Footage of Paisley and his tirades against 'papists and homosexuals' should go down really well with Cameron's caring sharing Britain.

    Time for Ed to get on the front foot again.

    If the DUP were to trying to impose its views on RUK, you'd be right. But, the DUP is only interested in Northern Ireland. They can deal as easily with Labour as the Conservatives.

    The SNP, OTOH, seems to want a major role in running RUK, at the same time as wanting greater autonomy for Scotland, and independence. Polling shows that is not popular with RUK voters.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I'll judge Jack's ARSE on Bury North, I've got £20 on a Labour gain there at 1-2 and I'm confident I'll win a tenner. If I don't then I'll listen to his ARSE more in the future.

    If you'd have paid closer attention to my ARSE over the past two General Elections here and across the pond then you'll have won rather substantially more than a tenner !!

    How much do you expect to stake on CON hold Bury North?
    Not a brass farthing.

    Bury North isn't a seat I have wagered on presently and with some exceptions the liquidity in many constituency markets is too small to interest me.

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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
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    macisbackmacisback Posts: 382

    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I'll judge Jack's ARSE on Bury North, I've got £20 on a Labour gain there at 1-2 and I'm confident I'll win a tenner. If I don't then I'll listen to his ARSE more in the future.

    If you'd have paid closer attention to my ARSE over the past two General Elections here and across the pond then you'll have won rather substantially more than a tenner !!

    How much do you expect to stake on CON hold Bury North?
    On the 2 Midlands seats I agree with Jack, on Bury North again probably too close to call. An interesting seat, UKIP are likely to hit Labour harder in a seat such as this but it will be harder generally for the Conservatives in the North West.

    I would edge towards the Conservatives in Bury North but it is one of maybe 20 that could go either way.

    I predict though that Jack's overall summation will be closer to the final result than yours.

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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Charles said:

    Roger said:

    Fox

    "Many thanks for another showing of your ARSE."

    Until it deals with its lack of transparancy I think it should be cast into a bottomless pit

    I know you are a Labour supporter, but why don't you come up with an alternative rather than just carping from the sidelines?

    We can then decide, May 8, who was more accurate
    Carping from the sidelines is what lefties do.

    No solutions for the economy, No solutions for jobs, No solutions for productivity, No solutions for public spending, No solutions for affordable welfare, No solutions for getting people off benefits... just carping from the sidelines.
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    Three judges have been fired for viewing pornography at work - a fourth would also have been sacked but resigned first.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1446671/three-judges-fired-for-watching-porn-at-work
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    rcs1000 said:



    Bury North - Lab Gain
    Pudsey - TCTC
    Broxtowe - Lab Gain
    Warwickshire North - Lab Gain
    Cambridge - TCTC
    Ipswich - Likely Lab Gain
    Watford - TCTC
    Croydon Central - TCTC
    Enfield North - Lab Gain
    Cornwall North - TCTC
    Great Yarmouth - Con Hold
    Vale of Glamorgan - Likely Con Hold
    Ochil and South Perthshire - SNP Gain

    IMO

    I think Cornwall North will be a fairly easy Con gain.

    Want to put some money on Cambridge?
    Its TCTC and LD are IMO too short on Betfair at 1.70.


    LAB at 2.06 is about right i think
    You are devaluing your BJesus with such folly.

    Well i am confident that 3.15 on LAB most seats is far too high as regards BJESUS doesn't assume Cambridge goes red anymore but i think it will be a close run affair.

    We will see who was right on EICIPM / EWNBPM in 50 days.

    I just think the value is not on Cameron at 1.56
    One seat where the micro may be more accurate than the macro.

    Still no convergence between your BJ and the ARSE - someone is eating humble pie in 50 days :)

    Correct you think i am wrong presumably but do you really think CON hold with a greater than 500 majority in Bury North is credible?
    No idea about Bury North - but I'm bawdeep on Huppert (LD) in Cambridge (my constituency).

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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Charles said:

    Roger said:

    Fox

    "Many thanks for another showing of your ARSE."

    Until it deals with its lack of transparancy I think it should be cast into a bottomless pit

    I know you are a Labour supporter, but why don't you come up with an alternative rather than just carping from the sidelines?

    We can then decide, May 8, who was more accurate
    Don't be too harsh on @Roger as much of his intense focus on my ARSE is a result of the green eyed monster.

    He has a fine reputation on PB for political predictions that almost equals that of Ed Balls economic forecasting. :smile:

    PBers have long looked upon @Roger as something of a national treasure. We must endeavour to keep it that way.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    Personally I'm glad @Rogerdamus has backed Labour in Aberdeen South and Edinburgh South :)
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,976
    I wonder whether the time hasn't arrived for Labour to do some negative campaigning of their own. Perhaps a re-run of Peter Blake's award winning Sgt Pepper cover. "Dave's Mates". Charlie and Rebekkah Liz Murdoch Jeremy Clarkson Anthony Bamford Rachel Whetstone Andy Coulson Paul Dacre Quentin Letts.....and I haven't even had to start thinking yet.

    http://www.nauert.com/pictures/ransgt.jpg
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,020
    Looking back at Ashcroft's marginal polling in October, and then applying a shift of 3-4% to the Tories, Bury North still looks good for Labour. Worcester, Chester, and Wirral West shift back into the Conservative column.

    Croydon Central still has a small Labour lead, but I don't believe UKIP will poll 19% there, on the day.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    watching the sunnation, day in the life of the PM. Anyone else surprised that the cabinet dont get to the feet when the PM enters a official cabinet meeting?
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    Pulpstar said:

    Personally I'm glad @Rogerdamus has backed Labour in Aberdeen South and Edinburgh South :)

    He called the Indyref right, so perhaps he's gets Scotland right.

    All we need is Southam's predictions, and we can bet accordingly.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    JackW said:


    Watford - TCTC from Likely LibDem Gain

    Interesting...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    Sean_F said:

    Looking back at Ashcroft's marginal polling in October, and then applying a shift of 3-4% to the Tories, Bury North still looks good for Labour. Worcester, Chester, and Wirral West shift back into the Conservative column.

    Croydon Central still has a small Labour lead, but I don't believe UKIP will poll 19% there, on the day.

    Mcveigh is too close to call I reckon. If I had to place a bet at gunpoint at evens it'd be Labour. Just.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    edited March 2015
    But will Lord A have named candidates? .... probably not. :unamused:

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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    "Maybe this election will surprise and go down like 1992, as a polling disaster. That year all the polls pointed to a hung parliament but John Major’s Tories won a clear cut victory."

    I think this is true, and that majority government, by either party, may be more likely than the betting currently indicates.

    A lot depends on the 2010 Lib Dem and the 2015 UKIP voters in the Lab/Con marginals. Will there be more Coalition or Red Liberals? Are UKIP voters mostly ex-Labour WWC, or ex-Tory blazers?

    This is still wide open.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Roger said:

    I wonder whether the time hasn't arrived for Labour to do some negative campaigning of their own. Perhaps a re-run of Peter Blake's award winning Sgt Pepper cover. "Dave's Mates". Charlie and Rebekkah Liz Murdoch Jeremy Clarkson Anthony Bamford Rachel Whetstone Andy Coulson Paul Dacre Quentin Letts.....and I haven't even had to start thinking yet.

    http://www.nauert.com/pictures/ransgt.jpg

    Yeah thats it, run an attack ad associating the PM with a guy who just got a million signatures in his favour on a petition over a few days.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,805
    Roger said:

    I wonder whether the time hasn't arrived for Labour to do some negative campaigning of their own. Perhaps a re-run of Peter Blake's award winning Sgt Pepper cover. "Dave's Mates". Charlie and Rebekkah Liz Murdoch Jeremy Clarkson Anthony Bamford Rachel Whetstone Andy Coulson Paul Dacre Quentin Letts.....and I haven't even had to start thinking yet.

    http://www.nauert.com/pictures/ransgt.jpg

    tut tut Roger back to marketing school for you.

    I was always taught sledging the opposition is pointless as it damages your industry and ultimately yourself. So saying nasty Tories do X simply makes voters roll their eyes and say "yeah right and are you tell me your lot don't do it too ?"

    I suspect the negative Campbell and Mandelson spin is one of the reasons politicians of all shades are now wandering around in the gutter. Labour didn't just tarnish the Tories ultimately they tarnished themselves and dragged the whole industry down.

    It will be a long hard slog to regain previous standing.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,976
    edited March 2015
    Charles

    "I know you are a Labour supporter, but why don't you come up with an alternative rather than just carping from the sidelines? We can then decide, May 8, who was more accurate "

    I Know that Jack means well but I can't help worrying for all the nice Tory posters on here. Jack's ARSE gives them something to cling to when everything else looks like barren ocean.

    I just cant bear the thought of their disappointment turning to despair when it turns out to be a massive chimera
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193
    edited March 2015

    JackW said:


    Watford - TCTC from Likely LibDem Gain

    Interesting...
    Well, the LibDems have just had two polls showing them with their lowest vote share in 25 years. It's not exactly hard to justify downgrading their prospects this week....

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    isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Pulpstar said:

    Personally I'm glad @Rogerdamus has backed Labour in Aberdeen South and Edinburgh South :)

    He called the Indyref right, so perhaps he's gets Scotland right.

    All we need is Southam's predictions, and we can bet accordingly.
    Thanks for the Harry Kane tip, I bet accordingly
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    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Personally I'm glad @Rogerdamus has backed Labour in Aberdeen South and Edinburgh South :)

    He called the Indyref right, so perhaps he's gets Scotland right.

    All we need is Southam's predictions, and we can bet accordingly.
    Thanks for the Harry Kane tip, I bet accordingly
    You'll be delighted to know that I've backed Arsenal to qualify tonight.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    edited March 2015
    JackW said:

    But will Lord A have named candidates? .... probably not. :unamused:

    I reckon if we can name the candidate easily on here then the locals might know who it is. Alot of them are completely anonymous.

    I couldn't name the MP of where I'm sitting right now for instance.

    Think it's Clive Betts. Labour will be weighing the vote here, UKIP a very very distant second. Lib Dems to lose deposit methinks.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,170
    Isn’t LibDemmery in the deep SW the result of tradition; working class & Chapel = Lib, middle/upper class & Church = Tory?
    Long tradition of, perhaps not radicalism as such, but anti-establishment.
    I don’t recall any of the switch-over Lib > Lab that took place in, for example, Wales or Lancashire.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Roger said:

    I wonder whether the time hasn't arrived for Labour to do some negative campaigning of their own. Perhaps a re-run of Peter Blake's award winning Sgt Pepper cover. "Dave's Mates". Charlie and Rebekkah Liz Murdoch Jeremy Clarkson Anthony Bamford Rachel Whetstone Andy Coulson Paul Dacre Quentin Letts.....and I haven't even had to start thinking yet.

    http://www.nauert.com/pictures/ransgt.jpg

    Not really sure that's they way to go... consider this meeting of Ed's mates

    http://goo.gl/wc87nn
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Roger said:

    Charles

    "I know you are a Labour supporter, but why don't you come up with an alternative rather than just carping from the sidelines? We can then decide, May 8, who was more accurate "

    I Know that Jack means well but I can't help worrying for all the nice Tory posters on here. Jack's ARSE gives them something to cling to when everything else looks like barren ocean.

    I just cant bear the thought of their disappointment turning to despair when it turns out to be a massive chimera

    A stunning non-endorsement for my ARSE from @Roger.

    There is no better feeling on PB than to be given the black spot by Rogerdamus. Life in the fast lane of political punting rarely gets any better than this.

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    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    But will Lord A have named candidates? .... probably not. :unamused:

    I reckon if we can name the candidate easily on here then the locals might know who it is. Alot of them are completely anonymous.

    I couldn't name the MP of where I'm sitting right now for instance.

    Think it's Clive Betts. Labour will be weighing the vote here, UKIP a very very distant second. Lib Dems to lose deposit methinks.
    Which bit of Sheffield are you in, and I'll be able to tell you.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Indigo said:

    Not really sure that's they way to go... consider this meeting of Ed's mates

    http://goo.gl/wc87nn

    Which of his kitchens is that?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,327
    Roger said:

    I wonder whether the time hasn't arrived for Labour to do some negative campaigning of their own. Perhaps a re-run of Peter Blake's award winning Sgt Pepper cover. "Dave's Mates". Charlie and Rebekkah Liz Murdoch Jeremy Clarkson Anthony Bamford Rachel Whetstone Andy Coulson Paul Dacre Quentin Letts.....and I haven't even had to start thinking yet.

    http://www.nauert.com/pictures/ransgt.jpg

    Anthony Bamford: you mean attack the man who has been running his family business for forty years, and has made it into a true manufacturing success story?

    Labour really are not interested in manufacturing, are they?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    So Ed has put the "in Salmond's pocket" line to bed...

    @JamieRoss7: Mac's cartoon on Labour and the SNP today. http://t.co/rGBj973n5c http://t.co/4pCiaXHO9k
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054

    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    But will Lord A have named candidates? .... probably not. :unamused:

    I reckon if we can name the candidate easily on here then the locals might know who it is. Alot of them are completely anonymous.

    I couldn't name the MP of where I'm sitting right now for instance.

    Think it's Clive Betts. Labour will be weighing the vote here, UKIP a very very distant second. Lib Dems to lose deposit methinks.
    Which bit of Sheffield are you in, and I'll be able to tell you.
    Halfway between Wicker and Meadowhall (Savile St)
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Labour really are not interested in manufacturing, are they?

    Labour hate success, in any form. Explains why they dumped Blair but clung to Gordo long past his sell buy date. And why Ed is still in post.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    But will Lord A have named candidates? .... probably not. :unamused:

    I reckon if we can name the candidate easily on here then the locals might know who it is. Alot of them are completely anonymous.

    I couldn't name the MP of where I'm sitting right now for instance.

    Think it's Clive Betts. Labour will be weighing the vote here, UKIP a very very distant second. Lib Dems to lose deposit methinks.
    Which bit of Sheffield are you in, and I'll be able to tell you.
    Halfway between Wicker and Meadowhall (Savile St)
    David Blunkett
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    But will Lord A have named candidates? .... probably not. :unamused:

    I reckon if we can name the candidate easily on here then the locals might know who it is. Alot of them are completely anonymous.

    I couldn't name the MP of where I'm sitting right now for instance.

    Think it's Clive Betts. Labour will be weighing the vote here, UKIP a very very distant second. Lib Dems to lose deposit methinks.
    If constituency polling in the UK has a flaw it's the almost complete failure to name candidates, the more so as polling day looms. The "your constituency" question mitigates the problem but it's still a weakness.

    Polls in the US invariably name candidates for Congress and many state wide elections and in a significant number of UK HoC seats this would be appropriate.

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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,976
    Peter

    "You speak of yesteryear. While the DUP is certainly sternly evangelical, the bigotry of the past is largely buried. Unlike the SNP the DUP does not favour breaking up the country and is not obsessed with unilateral nuclear disarmament."

    I discovered recently that Manchester was the first nuclear free zone in the UK. A policy brought in by a Labour council in 1980 and one which for 35 years has been 100% successful. I think we have nothing to fear from the SNP on that score
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,940

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    But will Lord A have named candidates? .... probably not. :unamused:

    I reckon if we can name the candidate easily on here then the locals might know who it is. Alot of them are completely anonymous.

    I couldn't name the MP of where I'm sitting right now for instance.

    Think it's Clive Betts. Labour will be weighing the vote here, UKIP a very very distant second. Lib Dems to lose deposit methinks.
    Which bit of Sheffield are you in, and I'll be able to tell you.
    Halfway between Wicker and Meadowhall (Savile St)
    David Blunkett
    Not on 8/5/15 i forecast
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    PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274
    edited March 2015
    Roger said:

    Charles

    "I know you are a Labour supporter, but why don't you come up with an alternative rather than just carping from the sidelines? We can then decide, May 8, who was more accurate "

    I Know that Jack means well but I can't help worrying for all the nice Tory posters on here. Jack's ARSE gives them something to cling to when everything else looks like barren ocean.

    I just cant bear the thought of their disappointment turning to despair when it turns out to be a massive chimera


    In 2010 Jack was one of the few who was adamant against a Conservative majority as anticipated by many, much to the chagrin of those nice posters to whom you refer. While his methodology is not disclosed Jack does nonetheless have a track record.
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    Roger said:

    Peter

    "You speak of yesteryear. While the DUP is certainly sternly evangelical, the bigotry of the past is largely buried. Unlike the SNP the DUP does not favour breaking up the country and is not obsessed with unilateral nuclear disarmament."

    I discovered recently that Manchester was the first nuclear free zone in the UK. A policy brought in by a Labour council in 1980 and one which for 35 years has been 100% successful. I think we have nothing to fear from the SNP on that score

    I'd point out that Manchester improved brilliantly after the IRA bombed it, and they redeveloped the place.

    I reckon a nuclear bomb hitting Manchester in the 80s or early 90s would have helped improve the progress.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,805
    Roger said:

    Peter

    "You speak of yesteryear. While the DUP is certainly sternly evangelical, the bigotry of the past is largely buried. Unlike the SNP the DUP does not favour breaking up the country and is not obsessed with unilateral nuclear disarmament."

    I discovered recently that Manchester was the first nuclear free zone in the UK. A policy brought in by a Labour council in 1980 and one which for 35 years has been 100% successful. I think we have nothing to fear from the SNP on that score

    I lived in Manchester in the early 80s. I never for one moment imagined a Russian ICBM would stop in mid flight because it detected a "Nuclear free " sign at the city limits

    #pointlessgestures
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    But will Lord A have named candidates? .... probably not. :unamused:

    I reckon if we can name the candidate easily on here then the locals might know who it is. Alot of them are completely anonymous.

    I couldn't name the MP of where I'm sitting right now for instance.

    Think it's Clive Betts. Labour will be weighing the vote here, UKIP a very very distant second. Lib Dems to lose deposit methinks.
    If constituency polling in the UK has a flaw it's the almost complete failure to name candidates, the more so as polling day looms. The "your constituency" question mitigates the problem but it's still a weakness.

    Polls in the US invariably name candidates for Congress and many state wide elections and in a significant number of UK HoC seats this would be appropriate.

    I've tried to bear names in mind in my betting, "Clegg", "Kennedy", "Farage", "(Douglas) Alexander", "Burt", "Sanders", "Palmer","Huppert" are some where I've considered it as a factor. The one "name" who is going though is Danny Alexander. I don't care how big a name you are it is NOT saving you from a 29 pt deficit.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Roger said:

    Peter

    "You speak of yesteryear. While the DUP is certainly sternly evangelical, the bigotry of the past is largely buried. Unlike the SNP the DUP does not favour breaking up the country and is not obsessed with unilateral nuclear disarmament."

    I discovered recently that Manchester was the first nuclear free zone in the UK. A policy brought in by a Labour council in 1980 and one which for 35 years has been 100% successful. I think we have nothing to fear from the SNP on that score

    That would have been a comfort when a 800kt warhead landed on those nasty capitalists in Trafford and incinerated the whole of central Manchester in passing ;)
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Personally I'm glad @Rogerdamus has backed Labour in Aberdeen South and Edinburgh South :)

    He called the Indyref right, so perhaps he's gets Scotland right.

    All we need is Southam's predictions, and we can bet accordingly.
    Thanks for the Harry Kane tip, I bet accordingly
    You'll be delighted to know that I've backed Arsenal to qualify tonight.
    Blimey hope that's a winner! I backed Henderson anytime goal scorer last night so you can return the favour

    Good luck
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    Labour 57, UKIP 22, Con 12, LD 5 something like that here.
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    I predict Yorkshire to declare UDI within 30 years if we don't get our way.

    The Yorkshire Post’s manifesto urges politicians to unite to secure region’s future

    A Minister for Yorkshire to act as a voice for the region

    Give England and Scotland equal say on devolution

    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/community/time-for-mps-to-start-flying-the-flag-for-god-s-own-county-1-7158261

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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Oh dear, Wee Dougie knows he is doomed, but this is still pretty desperate stuff

    @TelePolitics: Facebook partly to blame for Labour woes in Scotland, says Douglas Alexander http://t.co/JIBQnHYKJt
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,266
    hucks67 said:

    hucks67 said:

    The key questions for me are

    1) Will UKIP win 10%+ of the votes ?
    2) In what areas of the country will UKIP perform better and affect the outcome ?
    3) Lib Dems will hold onto their safe seats, but what will happen to the 2010 Lib Dem votes, where they cannot win ?
    4) Will SNP perform as well as the polls predict or will 2010 Labour supporters return to voting for the existing MP ?
    5) Will the level of turnout to vote hurt Labour ?

    1) I reckon 9 point something for UKIP. But it will be lumpy. I still don't see them breaking through on FPTP.

    2) The Midlands is the fascinating one for me. The LibDems never really got into top gear in the Midlands, which has been largely a Lab/Con ding-dong for decades. UKIP getting in the mix here would be fascinating. And unpredictable. Recent press reports of Labour getting worried are obviously wholly at odds with the steady-as-a-rock reports from Broxtowe. We'll see.

    3) define LibDem "safe seats". Current polling is heading downwards to 25 year lows, not improving.

    4) The SNP have the easiest message to deliver of anyone in this election. "Keep Westminster true to the Pledge. For Scotland. Vote SNP" It appeals to those who voted Yes. It appeals to those who voted No, but...more devolution. Plus they have a huge team of beserkers to campaign for them. I see them topping 50% of the Scottish vote.

    5) I don't see the registration drops hurting Labour particularly. I expect the biggest drops are in their safest seats.
    Lib Dem safe seats = where they have majorities of 5000+.

    The Midlands is interesting, but parts of Birmingham are very different to Shropshire or other rural areas. I think Labour will do quite well in many seats.

    SNP will put some people off, once they start talking about their policies.

    No they won't , they are talking Labour policies to soon to be ex Labour voters, whilst Labour have gone Tory where as we know , there are more Panda's and Ed Kitchens than MP's.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054

    I predict Yorkshire to declare UDI within 30 years if we don't get our way.

    The Yorkshire Post’s manifesto urges politicians to unite to secure region’s future

    A Minister for Yorkshire to act as a voice for the region

    Give England and Scotland equal say on devolution

    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/community/time-for-mps-to-start-flying-the-flag-for-god-s-own-county-1-7158261

    Lets have a look at the Leeds post.
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    BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Tories on 310 sears per @JackW s ARSE?

    That would be an extraordinary result from this point.

    Which is why it isn't going to happen.
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    I'd make a great minister for Yorkshire.

    Just saying.

    Plus I'd improve the gaiety of the nation.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,324
    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    But will Lord A have named candidates? .... probably not. :unamused:

    I reckon if we can name the candidate easily on here then the locals might know who it is. Alot of them are completely anonymous.

    I couldn't name the MP of where I'm sitting right now for instance.

    Think it's Clive Betts. Labour will be weighing the vote here, UKIP a very very distant second. Lib Dems to lose deposit methinks.
    If constituency polling in the UK has a flaw it's the almost complete failure to name candidates, the more so as polling day looms. The "your constituency" question mitigates the problem but it's still a weakness.

    Polls in the US invariably name candidates for Congress and many state wide elections and in a significant number of UK HoC seats this would be appropriate.

    I've tried to bear names in mind in my betting, "Clegg", "Kennedy", "Farage", "(Douglas) Alexander", "Burt", "Sanders", "Palmer","Huppert" are some where I've considered it as a factor. The one "name" who is going though is Danny Alexander. I don't care how big a name you are it is NOT saving you from a 29 pt deficit.
    Clegg is the only major politician where I'd reckon his vote would fall if his name was mentioned.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    rcs1000 said:

    Clegg is the only major politician where I'd reckon his vote would fall if his name was mentioned.

    Clegg is more popular than Ed in some polls
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Indigo
    Keep the bombs, but do away with the launch systems.
    If you detonate enough of them about 40 feet (approximately) underground, the resulting fall out would make the rest of the world wish you had dropped them on their heads instead.
    Welcome to the insanity of MAD.
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    Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    But will Lord A have named candidates? .... probably not. :unamused:

    I reckon if we can name the candidate easily on here then the locals might know who it is. Alot of them are completely anonymous.

    I couldn't name the MP of where I'm sitting right now for instance.

    Think it's Clive Betts. Labour will be weighing the vote here, UKIP a very very distant second. Lib Dems to lose deposit methinks.
    Which bit of Sheffield are you in, and I'll be able to tell you.
    Halfway between Wicker and Meadowhall (Savile St)
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    But will Lord A have named candidates? .... probably not. :unamused:

    I reckon if we can name the candidate easily on here then the locals might know who it is. Alot of them are completely anonymous.

    I couldn't name the MP of where I'm sitting right now for instance.

    Think it's Clive Betts. Labour will be weighing the vote here, UKIP a very very distant second. Lib Dems to lose deposit methinks.
    Which bit of Sheffield are you in, and I'll be able to tell you.
    Halfway between Wicker and Meadowhall (Savile St)
    #Streetsthatwillinevitablyberenamedwithinadecade
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    BenM said:

    Tories on 310 sears per @JackW s ARSE?

    That would be an extraordinary result from this point.

    Which is why it isn't going to happen.

    ARSE denier. :naughty:

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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758



    Yes. A lot of the Libdem vote in SW is in my opinion a revolt against the tories becoming too detached and remote and will decamp to the kippers.

    Think you are being harsh on the Tories.

    There was always a Celtic Fringe - the Liberals were very strong there (in fact, much of the Tory strength in the SW comes from the old National Liberal party). The LibDems also squeezed Labour very effectively and therefore consolidated the not-Tory vote.

    It strikes me that the not-Tory vote will go Green (in the old National Liberal territories) or UKIP (in the Liberal areas).
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    I've backed Dougie. But just to take out any potential loss on Ms Black because I'm a lily livered bettor
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Financier said:

    The results of TB's: "Education, Education, Education" - Low Skills and Productivity.

    Schoolchildren in the valleys have the lowest reading and numeracy levels in Wales, the BBC has found.

    Pupils from schools in Blaenau Gwent, Caerphilly, Merthyr Tydfil, Rhondda Cynon Taf and Torfaen scored the lowest results in last year's English language reading and numeracy tests.

    It is the second year children aged between seven and 14 have been tested......

    According to the 2010 National Survey of Adult Skills in Wales, more than 900,000 people in Wales - around half the adult population - have maths skills equivalent to primary school pupils aged between nine and 11......

    According to latest figures, more than 15% of adults in Blaenau Gwent left school without any qualifications, almost twice the British average.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-31912566

    Is it possible that genetic factors are now influencing the results of school education in the areas of Wales you mention? If the people with gumption and talent have upped and left in search of a better future then those that remain behind are going to be well to the left on the bell-curve. It is not possible to make a silk purse out of sow's ear.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,976
    edited March 2015
    Alanbrooke


    "I suspect the negative Campbell and Mandelson spin is one of the reasons politicians of all shades are now wandering around in the gutter. Labour didn't just tarnish the Tories ultimately they tarnished themselves and dragged the whole industry down."

    Interesting you should say that. The evidence of last night's poll from MORI is to the contrary.

    52% like the Labour brand whereas only 30 odd like the Tory one. I wonder whether some odium is worse than others or maybe some brands have the strength to withstand a few bad apples?

    Or perhaps to really trash a brand you need something special like 'A Thather'? Maybe a Mandelson or a Campbell just don't cut it?

    Something for future politics students to think about...
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @JackW
    Your ARSE is an anus horrilibus.
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Elderly people are a little less likely to be online and so a particular group of people who are more lilely to vote Conservative and UKIP are excluded from online voting and no adjustment for age can compensate for the missing characteristics.

    Also with telephone polling, do we know the proportion of mobile telephones called versus household telephones?

    In the same way that elderly people are a little less likely to be online so they are a little more likely to have a household telephone number than a mobile number, so the result will be skewed again.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    edited March 2015
    I love the understatement of our polticians at times.

    Labour's position in Scotland is "bad" & "They have a fight on their hands"
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    Pulpstar said:

    I've backed Dougie. But just to take out any potential loss on Ms Black because I'm a lily livered bettor
    So have I based on the UKIP chap's age and the fall in UKIP's vote since he was selected.

    I've also asked a few of the pollsters to ask a supplementary question along the lines of does the youth of a candidate make your more or less likely to vote for them.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Smarmeron said:

    @Indigo
    Keep the bombs, but do away with the launch systems.
    If you detonate enough of them about 40 feet (approximately) underground, the resulting fall out would make the rest of the world wish you had dropped them on their heads instead.
    Welcome to the insanity of MAD.

    Oh I quite agree, but its like democracy, the only thing worse than it, is not having it. The real insanity is thinking that declaring a city as a nuclear free zone is any more than fatuous posturing.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Three judges have been fired for viewing pornography at work - a fourth would also have been sacked but resigned first.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1446671/three-judges-fired-for-watching-porn-at-work

    Another example of why the Labour title inflation was a bad idea. "Judge" should be restricted to the High Court and above.

    BTW, who watches porn at work? I can't think of a less conducive environment?
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    I'd make a great minister for Yorkshire. Just saying.

    Plus I'd improve the gaiety of the nation.

    I can imagine it now – the removal of VAT on garish shoes and 80s music blaring out in ever town square. - I’d vote for you : )
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,976
    "ARSE denier. :naughty:"

    LOL!
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Smarmeron said:

    @JackW
    Your ARSE is an anus horrilibus.

    There speaks a bitter old Queen.

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    Charles said:

    Three judges have been fired for viewing pornography at work - a fourth would also have been sacked but resigned first.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1446671/three-judges-fired-for-watching-porn-at-work

    Another example of why the Labour title inflation was a bad idea. "Judge" should be restricted to the High Court and above.

    BTW, who watches porn at work? I can't think of a less conducive environment?
    Judges are well known pervs and degenerates.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5422668/Chilli-hot-stuff-immigration-judge-paid-nearly-300000-for-sitting-at-home.html
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    Maxwell1Maxwell1 Posts: 4
    Mike asked why the difference phone and online polls over how the tories are doing. I think the answer is Older people who are more likely to vote tory are less likely to be online and are more accessible to pollsters over the phone whereas younger people who are less likely to vote tory, dont always have a landline and are more likely to be online.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054

    Pulpstar said:

    I've backed Dougie. But just to take out any potential loss on Ms Black because I'm a lily livered bettor
    So have I based on the UKIP chap's age and the fall in UKIP's vote since he was selected.

    I've also asked a few of the pollsters to ask a supplementary question along the lines of does the youth of a candidate make your more or less likely to vote for them.
    I've folded like a cheap suit in Boston I'm afraid.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,818
    edited March 2015

    I'd make a great minister for Yorkshire. Just saying.

    Plus I'd improve the gaiety of the nation.

    I can imagine it now – the removal of VAT on garish shoes and 80s music blaring out in ever town square. - I’d vote for you : )
    I'd create a new government department, The Ministry of Sound to ensure the latter.
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @JackW
    Are you comparing me to yon alcoholic faggot, "Bonnie Prince Charlie"?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,324
    Charles said:

    Three judges have been fired for viewing pornography at work - a fourth would also have been sacked but resigned first.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1446671/three-judges-fired-for-watching-porn-at-work

    Another example of why the Labour title inflation was a bad idea. "Judge" should be restricted to the High Court and above.

    BTW, who watches porn at work? I can't think of a less conducive environment?
    Doesn't that depend on where you work?
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Charles said:

    Three judges have been fired for viewing pornography at work - a fourth would also have been sacked but resigned first.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1446671/three-judges-fired-for-watching-porn-at-work

    Another example of why the Labour title inflation was a bad idea. "Judge" should be restricted to the High Court and above.

    BTW, who watches porn at work? I can't think of a less conducive environment?
    Seems to be plenty of that sort of stupidity around today, like this one from the Mail. Not ideal if shown to be true, and from his .sch.uk (i.e professional) email account as well, no danger of that causing a problem!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2998567/Married-headteacher-caught-sending-sex-text-messages-prostitute-saying-wanted-wear-schoolgirl-uniform-spanked-threesome.html
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193
    edited March 2015
    Scott_P said:

    Oh dear, Wee Dougie knows he is doomed, but this is still pretty desperate stuff

    @TelePolitics: Facebook partly to blame for Labour woes in Scotland, says Douglas Alexander http://t.co/JIBQnHYKJt

    SLAB's Facebook status: f*cked....

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    Scott_P said:

    Oh dear, Wee Dougie knows he is doomed, but this is still pretty desperate stuff

    @TelePolitics: Facebook partly to blame for Labour woes in Scotland, says Douglas Alexander http://t.co/JIBQnHYKJt

    SLAB's Facebook status: f*cked....

    Scotland and Scottish Labour are now in a complicated relationship.
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