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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,742
    edited March 2015
    "The trend's yourthe bookie's friend."

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
    Plato said:

    Like this - I've had two and they're mavellous. My mother told me about hers and I was very sceptical. Then converted.

    I do love eggs with soldiers. This makes them perfectly. amazon.co.uk/Egg-Boilers/b?ie=UTF8&node=11713161

    Cyclefree said:

    Plato said:

    I own an egg boiler - true decadence.

    Scott_P said:

    The Times have helpfully included in their version of the kitchen story a picture of David Miliband in his vast kitchen with all manner of fancy kit

    They are very useful. Essential!
    What's an egg boiler? (Other than a pan with boiling water in it.)

    Thanks. No offence - but seem daft to me. More clutter to store and no real benefit over boiling in a pan. A bit like those egg poacher pans.



  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,496
    From what I can see that's the first time the Conservatives have been below 30% with Populus since July 2004?

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/historical-polls/voting-intention-2001-2005

    Have only had a quick scan through though.

    #bodyblow
  • Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Didn't Ed once remove the first class signs from his seat on a train, or did I imagine that?

    His aides -

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377051/Ed-Miliband-happy-pose-council-estate-seen-travelling-class.html

    But at least he [edit} had paid in advance (presumably!). Compare Mr Osborne, on one version -

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/oct/19/george-osborne-standard-ticket-first-class-train

    I pointed out at the time, as a frequent user of the Manchester Pic to Euston service, you can and lots of people do first class upgrades as Virgin admit in that article.
    Isn't it more expensive than doing it in advance? (Srious question - could be useful to know.)

    Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

    Sometimes, if you're not sure of your exact plans, it can be cheaper to buy a standard class ticket and do an upgrade on the day.

    For example on some days, usually weekends, you can do a first class upgrade on the train for between 10 and 20 pounds.
  • Pulpstar said:

    You have to question - are the Conservatives really ahead...

    What was the Populus house effect at the last GE ?

    The populus polls at the last election were phone polls, so you really can't compare them.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,368
    UKIP 18 (+3)

    What to do with the Plebs? You patronise them, you point out the error of their ways, and still some ignore the commands. The ingratitude of it all.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Now I am intrigued. I can lock my little finger and just bend the end of it. But only on one hand.

    I adore tricks and anyone who can do one. There used to be a FAB show on ITV called You Bet where contestants displayed their odd skills. One chappy who worked for the Potato Marketing Board could identify 20 varieties of boiled potatoes by blindfold tasting.

    I was deeply impressed. This one is for @Sunil_Prasannan - the Tube. https://youtube.com/watch?v=A68F4_YhbbQ

    Miss Plato, been a while since I've tried, but I used to be able to do the lotus position without using my hands.

    And, for reasons we shall not explore, I once typed my password in using my right foot.

  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Cyclefree said:

    Plato said:

    Like this - I've had two and they're mavellous. My mother told me about hers and I was very sceptical. Then converted.

    I do love eggs with soldiers. This makes them perfectly. amazon.co.uk/Egg-Boilers/b?ie=UTF8&node=11713161

    Cyclefree said:

    Plato said:

    I own an egg boiler - true decadence.

    Scott_P said:

    The Times have helpfully included in their version of the kitchen story a picture of David Miliband in his vast kitchen with all manner of fancy kit

    They are very useful. Essential!
    What's an egg boiler? (Other than a pan with boiling water in it.)

    Thanks. No offence - but seem daft to me. More clutter to store and no real benefit over boiling in a pan. A bit like those egg poacher pans.


    There might be a point in a single-egg boiler - saves energy compared to heating a whole pan.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,103

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Didn't Ed once remove the first class signs from his seat on a train, or did I imagine that?

    His aides -

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377051/Ed-Miliband-happy-pose-council-estate-seen-travelling-class.html

    But at least he [edit} had paid in advance (presumably!). Compare Mr Osborne, on one version -

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/oct/19/george-osborne-standard-ticket-first-class-train

    I pointed out at the time, as a frequent user of the Manchester Pic to Euston service, you can and lots of people do first class upgrades as Virgin admit in that article.
    Isn't it more expensive than doing it in advance? (Srious question - could be useful to know.)

    Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

    Sometimes, if you're not sure of your exact plans, it can be cheaper to buy a standard class ticket and do an upgrade on the day.

    For example on some days, usually weekends, you can do a first class upgrade on the train for between 10 and 20 pounds.
    Thanks. That could be very useful to know, especially with Virgin taking over ECML.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,449
    Pulpstar said:

    You have to question - are the Conservatives really ahead...

    What was the Populus house effect at the last GE ?

    From a quick scan it looks like a v.high UKIP certainty to vote and Labour and Conservative certainty very similar.

    I'd say the evidence suggests parity at the moment. But there is a trend of two steps forward one step back Tory recovery.

    The question is whether that will continue enough over the next 8 weeks to hand them the election.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Richard Rogers ‏@oowmygawd 10h10 hours ago
    In 2014 I put a £20 bet @ 100/1 with local bookie on UKIP winning 50-100 seats in May, tonight in the pub he offered to but it back for £500

    Looks like Richard Rogers bookie was on to something, doesn't it?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    I will sell my lib dem to beat Ukip £50@5/2 betting slip for £42 if anyone wants it

    :D It's OK we've all made bad bets :)
    Embarrassing lack of nerve.. I suppose reading this site everyday and people confidently predicting Ukip doom affected my senses momentarily.. Should've learned the lessons of the euros, clacton and Rochester... It's all hot air
  • Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Didn't Ed once remove the first class signs from his seat on a train, or did I imagine that?

    His aides -

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377051/Ed-Miliband-happy-pose-council-estate-seen-travelling-class.html

    But at least he [edit} had paid in advance (presumably!). Compare Mr Osborne, on one version -

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/oct/19/george-osborne-standard-ticket-first-class-train

    I pointed out at the time, as a frequent user of the Manchester Pic to Euston service, you can and lots of people do first class upgrades as Virgin admit in that article.
    Isn't it more expensive than doing it in advance? (Srious question - could be useful to know.)

    Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

    Sometimes, if you're not sure of your exact plans, it can be cheaper to buy a standard class ticket and do an upgrade on the day.

    For example on some days, usually weekends, you can do a first class upgrade on the train for between 10 and 20 pounds.
    Thanks. That could be very useful to know, especially with Virgin taking over ECML.

    Virgin are the best train company out there.

    The days they don't do the upgrade if there is a London v Manchester or Manchester v London football match on.

    Well they do the upgrade, they charge you the full whack.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,842
    @MaxPB - I am intrigued by your idea that Mrs Gove's article for the Daily Mail was not a personal attack on the Milibands.

    There’s nothing here that makes me believe that he and Justine are not, in fact, aliens. No evidence of food-stuffs, certainly. Perhaps they get their nourishment from the fruits that grow only in the rarefied atmosphere of the moral high ground.
    Or perhaps they’re both just so holier than thou that they no longer require any nourishment other than the knowledge of their own righteousness. You certainly wouldn’t want to have supper there.

    Just as I am intrigued by the notion that the fact the author of this vicious piece is married to a senior Conservative cabinet minister is irrelevant.

    On reflection, I think you are wrong. But, as I say, it just makes Ed seem even more of a loser.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,742
    Electionforecast.com

    Confidence range for all parties


    Populus
    Con 30 - 34
    Lab 30 - 36
    Lib Dem 7 - 10
    SNP 3 - 6
    PC 0 - 1
    GRN 4 - 6
    UKIP 14 - 17
    Other 0 - 1

    So this poll is most likely an outlier on the UKIP/Con scores

    But we can not say for certain.


  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    New thread soon on UKIPs leap to stardom? ;)
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Miss Plato, been a while since I've tried, but I used to be able to do the lotus position without using my hands.

    And, for reasons we shall not explore, I once typed my password in using my right foot.

    you Freemasons are a funny lot :)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,496
    edited March 2015
    GIN1138 said:

    From what I can see that's the first time the Conservatives have been below 30% with Populus since July 2004?

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/historical-polls/voting-intention-2001-2005

    Have only had a quick scan through though.

    #bodyblow

    Actually scrub that. The Conservatives dropped to 29% with Populus a couple of times through there lowest point in this Parliament: 2012/2013;

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2/populus

    Still an utterly dreadful poll for the Tories though...
  • Out of the three polls expected tomorrow night, only one for sure (YouGov) will have conducted all their fieldwork after Farage's comments.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I honestly don't understand why Ed and Justine didn't just do the interview in his real kitchen. No one believes that he is a man of the people and trying to hide that fact just makes him look evasive or stupid.

    It's really weird because people I know who have met Ed say he is a nice and thoughtful person but nothing like that comes across when he is in public.

    ....
    Well he may not have, but I'm certain one of the spin team made sure they did it in the utility room rather than the massive kitchen. It's just like the bacon butty all over again. "Look at me, I'm a man of the people, I eat bacon and have a small kitchen just like you, I understand the cost of living crisis".
    The bacon sarnie was bad enough, but only Ed could cock up having a cup of tea in a kitchen. - Another unforced media stunt backfires.

    As I say below, it's the sign of a 24 carat loser that a vicious personal attack by the wife of a political opponent turns into a PR disaster for him. It could only happen to Ed. Still, he'll be gone in just a few weeks now.

    SO you continually mention that it was Sarah Vine who wrote the original article, but the simple fact is that she was right to do it. Clearly Ed's team were trying to put across this image of "normal Ed" to the public by sticking him in the small utility room that looked like a kitchen in an average or small London home. You are trying to play the man, or woman in this case, rather than the ball by bringing up the author, it is completely irrelevant to the story.
    Alistair said:

    Why is it hypocritical of Labour politicians to be rich?

    Not Labour politicians, no one cares that Ed is rich, but they care that he pretends not to be and that he claims to understand people who struggle to put food on the table. As always, it boils down to hypocrisy plain and simple.
    I've finally been forced to look at the Telegraph article.
    The original attack was on the banal utilitarian nature of this so called kitchen. I have to say on the face of it I thought that was a bit harsh - the real objection surely must be to the garish and green and out of place laundry basket.
    Where it went ballistic was in the dumb defence of this kitchen by someone offering up a defence by saying 'Oh no thats not his ''real'' kitchen. His proper kitchen is much posher than that'.
    With friends like that who needs Ed Balls?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    A couple of good polls for Ukip this week...

    I got the tube to Hornchurch from Upminster and used my Oyster card, worked out £2 cheaper than buying a ticket
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Pulpstar said:

    Electionforecast.com

    Confidence range for all parties


    Populus
    Con 30 - 34
    Lab 30 - 36
    Lib Dem 7 - 10
    SNP 3 - 6
    PC 0 - 1
    GRN 4 - 6
    UKIP 14 - 17
    Other 0 - 1

    So this poll is most likely an outlier on the UKIP/Con scores

    But we can not say for certain.

    Electionforecast.com have been always been behind the times in this run-up to the election.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    isam said:

    A couple of good polls for Ukip this week...

    I got the tube to Hornchurch from Upminster and used my Oyster card, worked out £2 cheaper than buying a ticket

    I hope everybody was speaking English.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    The real questions is what is the Scottish sub-samples.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,742

    Out of the three polls expected tomorrow night, only one for sure (YouGov) will have conducted all their fieldwork after Farage's comments.

    Do you expect them to do the UKIP position harm or good ?

    On kitchengate, reckon it's a storm in a bacon butty teacup myself but its not that helpful to Ed. Also sums up Daily Mail journalism to a tee on politics. Portillo was quite right on this one.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I had the same view as you until I tried one and was converted. I still recall the moment I had to change my view.

    Do you use vinegar in the water for poached eggs? I don't like them myself but heard vinegar is ace for keeping them together.
    Cyclefree said:

    Plato said:

    Like this - I've had two and they're mavellous. My mother told me about hers and I was very sceptical. Then converted.

    I do love eggs with soldiers. This makes them perfectly. amazon.co.uk/Egg-Boilers/b?ie=UTF8&node=11713161

    Cyclefree said:

    Plato said:

    I own an egg boiler - true decadence.

    Scott_P said:

    The Times have helpfully included in their version of the kitchen story a picture of David Miliband in his vast kitchen with all manner of fancy kit

    They are very useful. Essential!
    What's an egg boiler? (Other than a pan with boiling water in it.)

    Thanks. No offence - but seem daft to me. More clutter to store and no real benefit over boiling in a pan. A bit like those egg poacher pans.



  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    MikeK said:

    Richard Rogers ‏@oowmygawd 10h10 hours ago
    In 2014 I put a £20 bet @ 100/1 with local bookie on UKIP winning 50-100 seats in May, tonight in the pub he offered to but it back for £500

    Looks like Richard Rogers bookie was on to something, doesn't it?

    No.

    There's more chance of England winning the current cricket world cup than Ukip winning 50+ seats.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,742
    Alistair said:

    The real questions is what is the Scottish sub-samples.

    45%.
  • Alistair said:

    The real questions is what is the Scottish sub-samples.

    The SNP are on 45% in the Populus Sub-sample.

    45% in Scotland? That sounds vaguely familiar.

    Can anyone remember why?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,872

    Pulpstar said:

    You have to question - are the Conservatives really ahead...

    What was the Populus house effect at the last GE ?

    From a quick scan it looks like a v.high UKIP certainty to vote and Labour and Conservative certainty very similar.

    I'd say the evidence suggests parity at the moment. But there is a trend of two steps forward one step back Tory recovery.

    The question is whether that will continue enough over the next 8 weeks to hand them the election.
    Out of ten polls this week, the Conservatives have led in five, Labour have led in four, and one has been tied. Labour has averaged 32.5%, the Conservatives 33.1%, and UKIP 14.8%.

    The usual pattern of the Conservatives advancing at the start of the week, and falling back later has continued, but leaving the Conservatives in a better position, relative to Labour, than they've been so far this year.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548

    Cyclefree said:

    Plato said:

    Like this - I've had two and they're mavellous. My mother told me about hers and I was very sceptical. Then converted.

    I do love eggs with soldiers. This makes them perfectly. amazon.co.uk/Egg-Boilers/b?ie=UTF8&node=11713161

    Cyclefree said:

    Plato said:

    I own an egg boiler - true decadence.

    Scott_P said:

    The Times have helpfully included in their version of the kitchen story a picture of David Miliband in his vast kitchen with all manner of fancy kit

    They are very useful. Essential!
    What's an egg boiler? (Other than a pan with boiling water in it.)

    Thanks. No offence - but seem daft to me. More clutter to store and no real benefit over boiling in a pan. A bit like those egg poacher pans.


    There might be a point in a single-egg boiler - saves energy compared to heating a whole pan.

    Or use a smaller pan and boil two eggs....

    I am a bit of a gadget-o-phobe. Very few strike me as truly useful. They generally seem to me to be an invention looking for a problem to solve.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,742
    MikeK said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Electionforecast.com

    Confidence range for all parties


    Populus
    Con 30 - 34
    Lab 30 - 36
    Lib Dem 7 - 10
    SNP 3 - 6
    PC 0 - 1
    GRN 4 - 6
    UKIP 14 - 17
    Other 0 - 1

    So this poll is most likely an outlier on the UKIP/Con scores

    But we can not say for certain.

    Electionforecast.com have been always been behind the times in this run-up to the election.
    They update their website every day. I agree they underestimate UKIP chances in Thanet South though.

    Also was last night the night Charlie Kennedy lost Ross, Skye, Lochaber - I know he's got a very big personal vote but I can see last night's show pushing a couple of SNP/Kennedy waverers to the Nats.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    MikeK said:

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    I will sell my lib dem to beat Ukip £50@5/2 betting slip for £42 if anyone wants it

    :D It's OK we've all made bad bets :)
    The mistake is that isam shows no heart for UKIP and is weak and wavery in his support.
    He may be heading back to the Red team soon
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,729
    edited March 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    Out of the three polls expected tomorrow night, only one for sure (YouGov) will have conducted all their fieldwork after Farage's comments.

    Do you expect them to do the UKIP position harm or good ?

    On kitchengate, reckon it's a storm in a bacon butty teacup myself but its not that helpful to Ed. Also sums up Daily Mail journalism to a tee on politics. Portillo was quite right on this one.
    I don't know, re long term harm, the next few days are going to be dominated by the lead up to the budget, most things are going to be drowned out by that.

    Kitchengate is one of those things, like Dave in Morrisons, won't shift votes.

    Then again, I was surprised by how much the polling in this country moved on whether Dave had visited a pasty shop in Leeds or not.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Scott_P said:

    Well, Lucy got her man on the front pages of the papers. Again.

    This campaign is going to be legend

    Do you think they will be "ALLRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!"?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I honestly don't understand why Ed and Justine didn't just do the interview in his real kitchen. No one believes that he is a man of the people and trying to hide that fact just makes him look evasive or stupid.

    It's really weird because people I know who have met Ed say he is a nice and thoughtful person but nothing like that comes across when he is in public.

    Was Ed trying to hide the fact he has two kitchens? My guess is that he never even considered it for a second. This story erupted because Michael Gove's wife wrote an extraordinarily unpleasant article about the Milibands in the Daily Mail and one of their friends tweeted something in response.

    Well he may not have, but I'm certain one of the spin team made sure they did it in the utility room rather than the massive kitchen. It's just like the bacon butty all over again. "Look at me, I'm a man of the people, I eat bacon and have a small kitchen just like you, I understand the cost of living crisis".
    The bacon sarnie was bad enough, but only Ed could cock up having a cup of tea in a kitchen. - Another unforced media stunt backfires.

    As I say below, it's the sign of a 24 carat loser that a vicious personal attack by the wife of a political opponent turns into a PR disaster for him. It could only happen to Ed. Still, he'll be gone in just a few weeks now.

    SO you continually mention that it was Sarah Vine who wrote the original article, but the simple fact is that she was right to do it. Clearly Ed's team were trying to put across this image of "normal Ed" to the public by sticking him in the small utility room that looked like a kitchen in an average or small London home. You are trying to play the man, or woman in this case, rather than the ball by bringing up the author, it is completely irrelevant to the story.
    Perhaps you missed Vine's assassination on This Week, which was very good and very to the point. She was on playing the victim card until it was pointed out that she was the bully. Her sputtering non-responses were a sight to behold.

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited March 2015
    MikeK said:

    Richard Rogers ‏@oowmygawd 10h10 hours ago
    In 2014 I put a £20 bet @ 100/1 with local bookie on UKIP winning 50-100 seats in May, tonight in the pub he offered to but it back for £500

    Looks like Richard Rogers bookie was on to something, doesn't it?

    Yup, we all know about this, since you've mentioned it soooo many times. Is he paying you a commission for each post?
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Alistair said:

    The real questions is what is the Scottish sub-samples.

    The SNP are on 45% in the Populus Sub-sample.

    45% in Scotland? That sounds vaguely familiar.

    Can anyone remember why?

    It's also slightly more than what Labour got in 2010.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,133
    F1: Ladbrokes top 10 market for qualifying appears to have gone walkies. Pre-qualifying piece may be up this evening.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    MikeK said:

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    I will sell my lib dem to beat Ukip £50@5/2 betting slip for £42 if anyone wants it

    :D It's OK we've all made bad bets :)
    The mistake is that isam shows no heart for UKIP and is weak and wavery in his support.
    You don't realise how much this quote makes you sound like a Cultist?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Plato said:

    Do you use vinegar in the water for poached eggs? I don't like them myself but heard vinegar is ace for keeping them together.

    But then your eggs taste of vinegar

    Not necessary
  • Someone tells me this morning they have been YouGov'd asking if they agree with Farage on there be no racism in this country, should we abolish the Race Relations and other anti discrimination laws.

    We might see it over the weekend or the start of next week.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    MikeK said:

    Richard Rogers ‏@oowmygawd 10h10 hours ago
    In 2014 I put a £20 bet @ 100/1 with local bookie on UKIP winning 50-100 seats in May, tonight in the pub he offered to but it back for £500

    Looks like Richard Rogers bookie was on to something, doesn't it?

    It looks like a lie.

    Because it is a lie.

    It might as well say "Man offers to buy £40 for £500" because placing a £40 bet at the current odds of 50-1 would cover any potential loss in full. This is what bookies do. Actual bookies, not figments of Kippers fantastical imagination.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,449
    MikeK said:

    Richard Rogers ‏@oowmygawd 10h10 hours ago
    In 2014 I put a £20 bet @ 100/1 with local bookie on UKIP winning 50-100 seats in May, tonight in the pub he offered to but it back for £500

    Looks like Richard Rogers bookie was on to something, doesn't it?

    He should have bitten his hand off for the £500.
  • Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I honestly don't understand why Ed and Justine didn't just do the interview in his real kitchen. No one believes that he is a man of the people and trying to hide that fact just makes him look evasive or stupid.

    It's really weird because people I know who have met Ed say he is a nice and thoughtful person but nothing like that comes across when he is in public.

    Was Ed trying to hide the fact he has two kitchens? My guess is that he never even considered it for a second. This story erupted because Michael Gove's wife wrote an extraordinarily unpleasant article about the Milibands in the Daily Mail and one of their friends tweeted something in response.

    Well he may not have, but I'm certain one of the spin team made sure they did it in the utility room rather than the massive kitchen. It's just like the bacon butty all over again. "Look at me, I'm a man of the people, I eat bacon and have a small kitchen just like you, I understand the cost of living crisis".
    The bacon sarnie was bad enough, but only Ed could cock up having a cup of tea in a kitchen. - Another unforced media stunt backfires.

    As I say below, it's the sign of a 24 carat loser that a vicious personal attack by the wife of a political opponent turns into a PR disaster for him. It could only happen to Ed. Still, he'll be gone in just a few weeks now.

    SO you continually mention that it was Sarah Vine who wrote the original article, but the simple fact is that she was right to do it. Clearly Ed's team were trying to put across this image of "normal Ed" to the public by sticking him in the small utility room that looked like a kitchen in an average or small London home. You are trying to play the man, or woman in this case, rather than the ball by bringing up the author, it is completely irrelevant to the story.
    Perhaps you missed Vine's assassination on This Week, which was very good and very to the point. She was on playing the victim card until it was pointed out that she was the bully. Her sputtering non-responses were a sight to behold.

    Portillo really went to town on her which was good to see. Portillo is the best part of this week, although Johnson is an improvement on Abbott. Just wish they'd get rid of the fluffy segment at the end.
  • Anyhoo we should be getting the ICM on Monday or Tuesday of next week.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2015

    Out of the three polls expected tomorrow night, only one for sure (YouGov) will have conducted all their fieldwork after Farage's comments.

    Blimey that's odd, he made the comments last autumn

    No wonder the polls are lagging the betting markets
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited March 2015

    @MaxPB - I am intrigued by your idea that Mrs Gove's article for the Daily Mail was not a personal attack on the Milibands.

    Of course it wasn't a 'personal attack on the Milibands'. It was a debunking of their faked-up photo-shoot. It wasn't Sarah Vine, or the Mail, or CCHQ, who organised the original interview, supplied the photographer, and selected the locations for the photos.

    If Mr and Mrs Miliband didn't want to be ridiculed on this, then they had a perfectly good alternative available to them: Mrs Miliband,instead of pretending ludicrously to be an ordinary working mum, could keep out of the limelight, and Mr Miliband could focus instead on telling us what a Labour government would actually do.

    Come to think of it, though, if Ed did tell us what a Labour government would actually do, I suppose he'd be ridiculed even more.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,742

    Anyhoo we should be getting the ICM on Monday or Tuesday of next week.

    The poll with the biggest margin of error of all. But also perhaps the soundest methodology...

    An infuriating combination.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    A couple of good polls for Ukip this week...

    I got the tube to Hornchurch from Upminster and used my Oyster card, worked out £2 cheaper than buying a ticket

    I hope everybody was speaking English.
    Oh definitely, this is the most English part of London.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,742
    edited March 2015
    50-1 sounds like a lay for UKIP 50-100 seats to me. Though I can't afford the liability so I'm not offering it :P

    I'm quite prepared to offer 4-1 however.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,015

    MaxPB said:

    I honestly don't understand why Ed and Justine didn't just do the interview in his real kitchen. No one believes that he is a man of the people and trying to hide that fact just makes him look evasive or stupid.

    It's really weird because people I know who have met Ed say he is a nice and thoughtful person but nothing like that comes across when he is in public.

    Was Ed trying to hide the fact he has two kitchens? My guess is that he never even considered it for a second. This story erupted because Michael Gove's wife wrote an extraordinarily unpleasant article about the Milibands in the Daily Mail and one of their friends tweeted something in response.

    Does Miliband want to hide how wealthy he is? Possibly, but it's another reminder of the problems the new labour legacy has left him. An awful lot of Laour's traditional working class supporters no longer trust the party to act in their interests. It was the same thing the other week with the person saying he sounded like a public schoolboy. It's not a problem that is easily fixed and belies the myth that continuity new Labour would have seen him home and dry.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:


    Perhaps you missed Vine's assassination on This Week, which was very good and very to the point. She was on playing the victim card until it was pointed out that she was the bully. Her sputtering non-responses were a sight to behold.

    Portillo really went to town on her which was good to see. Portillo is the best part of this week, although Johnson is an improvement on Abbott. Just wish they'd get rid of the fluffy segment at the end.
    What they need to drop is the irrelevant Miranda Green, her Norwegian Blue Party don't really deserve the coverage they get.

    The final string on This Week varies, it worked pretty well last night with Drew-Honey as he's pretty well spoken and knows his stuff. His documentaries on BBC3 were probably the only time the channel has had decent documentary output.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,842

    @MaxPB - I am intrigued by your idea that Mrs Gove's article for the Daily Mail was not a personal attack on the Milibands.

    Of course it wasn't a 'personal attack on the Milibands'. It was a debunking of their faked-up photo-shoot. It wasn't Sarah Vine, or the Mail, or CCHQ, who organised the original interview, supplied the photographer, and selected the locations for the photos.

    If Mr and Mrs Miliband didn't want to be ridiculed on this, then they had a perfectly good alternative available to them: Mrs Miliband could keep out of the limelight, and Mr Miliband could focus instead on telling us what a Labour government would actually do.

    Come to think of it, though, if Ed did tell us what a Labour government would actually do, I suppose he'd be ridiculed even more.

    Is that right Richard?

    The one thing that was totally lacking from her interview, however, was humour. That and any sign of warmth, empathy or fallibility.
    Intellectually, I’m certain she understands these concepts. But, like the late Mr Spock, one gets the impression she considers them unnecessary, inconvenient and wholly surplus to requirements.

    It's good to know that you do not consider Mrs Gove writing about Mrs Miliband in this way a personal attack. We can remember that the next time you get on your high horse about venal, smearing Labour politicians and The Guardian.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,449

    Someone tells me this morning they have been YouGov'd asking if they agree with Farage on there be no racism in this country, should we abolish the Race Relations and other anti discrimination laws.

    We might see it over the weekend or the start of next week.

    The findings or the racism?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,742
    These attacks on Ed Miliband are as ridiculous as the tosh that was being spouted by various Labour types on Dave's friendship with Clarkson.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    @MaxPB - I am intrigued by your idea that Mrs Gove's article for the Daily Mail was not a personal attack on the Milibands.

    Of course it wasn't a 'personal attack on the Milibands'. It was a debunking of their faked-up photo-shoot. It wasn't Sarah Vine, or the Mail, or CCHQ, who organised the original interview, supplied the photographer, and selected the locations for the photos.

    If Mr and Mrs Miliband didn't want to be ridiculed on this, then they had a perfectly good alternative available to them: Mrs Miliband could keep out of the limelight, and Mr Miliband could focus instead on telling us what a Labour government would actually do.

    Come to think of it, though, if Ed did tell us what a Labour government would actually do, I suppose he'd be ridiculed even more.

    Is that right Richard?

    The one thing that was totally lacking from her interview, however, was humour. That and any sign of warmth, empathy or fallibility.
    Intellectually, I’m certain she understands these concepts. But, like the late Mr Spock, one gets the impression she considers them unnecessary, inconvenient and wholly surplus to requirements.

    It's good to know that you do not consider Mrs Gove writing about Mrs Miliband in this way a personal attack. We can remember that the next time you get on your high horse about venal, smearing Labour politicians and The Guardian.
    Watch this week on the iplayer... Portillo takes Vine apart, it's very good
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Pulpstar said:

    I wonder if the Greens are going to fail to reach a 'critical mass' and so fade back to 4% or so at the GE.

    UKIP seem to have certainly achieved this feat.

    The Green party shares for the different age groups in today's Populus are: 22%, 5%, 4%, 6%, 4%, 2%. I don't have to tell you in which order I've given them in.

    Just ask Mike whether younger voters turnout. We know that many of them won't, and so it's sensible to be a bit bearish on the Green Party national vote share as a result. However, 4% would still be something like four times the votes they received in 2010.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,449
    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    Well, Lucy got her man on the front pages of the papers. Again.

    This campaign is going to be legend

    Do you think they will be "ALLRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!"?
    We should all chip in to book the Sheffield Arena and the helicopter for Ed the week before polling day.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    MikeK said:

    "As the Russian jet approached the US vessel, the electronic device disabled all radars, control circuits, systems, information transmission, etc. on board the US destroyer. In other words, the all-powerful Aegis system, now hooked up – or about to be – with the defense systems installed on NATO’s most modern ships was shut down, as turning off the TV set with the remote control."

    Here is a story for all PB Defence and Navy aficionados, from last November:

    https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/11/19/what-frightened-the-uss-donald-cook-so-much-in-the-black-sea/

    If true, this is a turn up for the book. Can any of our PB defence experts advise?

    I very much doubt it is true, Mr. K. The story has been kicking around conspiracy websites for more than a year and its original source appears to be a Russian Radio station. File under B for bollocks.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,368
    edited March 2015
    Isam,

    My theory (for what it's worth) is that Ukip gain not so much by their policies but by the response to them. I'm perverse at the best of times but I'm not alone in being irritated by my self-elected betters telling me what to think.

    I may agree with something but if the proponents of it insult my intelligence, I'll vote against just to annoy them.

    If the LDs were happy to discuss the EU, I might vote for them again. It's their certainty in their own infallibility that gets up my nose. Although all parties do it.

    The hysterical response to anything Ukip suggests is their trump card, it's not what they say, it's what their opponents say.

    My prediction ... Ukip probably won't fall below 10% unless their political "betters" learn that sometimes less is more.


  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,742
    Not allowed to have friends who are occasionally daft, not allowed to have a second kitchen.
    #Dailymailmirrorpolitics
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,448

    Someone tells me this morning they have been YouGov'd asking if they agree with Farage on there be no racism in this country, should we abolish the Race Relations and other anti discrimination laws.

    We might see it over the weekend or the start of next week.

    I had that one last night.
  • Dair said:

    Dair said:


    Perhaps you missed Vine's assassination on This Week, which was very good and very to the point. She was on playing the victim card until it was pointed out that she was the bully. Her sputtering non-responses were a sight to behold.

    Portillo really went to town on her which was good to see. Portillo is the best part of this week, although Johnson is an improvement on Abbott. Just wish they'd get rid of the fluffy segment at the end.
    What they need to drop is the irrelevant Miranda Green, her Norwegian Blue Party don't really deserve the coverage they get.

    The final string on This Week varies, it worked pretty well last night with Drew-Honey as he's pretty well spoken and knows his stuff. His documentaries on BBC3 were probably the only time the channel has had decent documentary output.
    I would say bring back Charlie Kennedy, although on the basis of his QT performance maybe not?! And yes the lad was pretty good last night, very articulate, made a pleasant change.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,872
    CD13 said:

    Isam,

    My theory (for what it's worth) is that Ukip gain not so much by their policies but by the response to them. I'm perverse at the best of times but I'm not alone in being irritated by my self-elected betters telling me what to think.

    I may agree with something but if the proponents of it insult my intelligence, I'll vote against just to annoy them.

    If the LDs were happy to discuss the EU, I might vote for them again. It's their certainty in their own infallibility that gets up my nose. Although all parties do it.

    The hysterical response to anything Ukip suggests is their trump card, it's not what they say, it's what their opponents say.

    My prediction ... Ukip probably won't fall below 10% unless their political "betters" learn that sometimes less is more.


    Nail hit on head. The sequences is:-

    1. Farage utters some blasphemy.

    2. Other politicians react like characters in a Bateman cartoon.

    3. UKIP's 15% or so of the vote solidifies.

    4. c.40% of Conservative voters, and 20% of Labour voters think Farage has a point.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,354

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    Well, Lucy got her man on the front pages of the papers. Again.

    This campaign is going to be legend

    Do you think they will be "ALLRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!"?
    We should all chip in to book the Sheffield Arena and the helicopter for Ed the week before polling day.
    Maybe a Kinnock-style walk along the beach too. What could possibly go wrong?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Labour Uncut interesting - perhaps overdoing it? - on Farage, and the opportunity for the Tories, but also the media:

    Third, there’s the reaction of the journalists.

    By pretending he hadn’t said that Britain’s anti-racism legislation should be abolished, Nigel Farage was effectively saying that the journalists reporting the story were liars.

    [...]

    For several journalists, yesterday was the final straw. Farage’s ludicrous denials and the tide of bile from his online followers were the point he stepped out of the mainstream and into the Palinverse.


    http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/03/13/nigel-farage-has-destroyed-himself-and-ukip-he-might-yet-take-the-whole-eurosceptic-movement-down-too/#more-19397
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    Is that right Richard?

    The one thing that was totally lacking from her interview, however, was humour. That and any sign of warmth, empathy or fallibility.
    Intellectually, I’m certain she understands these concepts. But, like the late Mr Spock, one gets the impression she considers them unnecessary, inconvenient and wholly surplus to requirements.

    It's good to know that you do not consider Mrs Gove writing about Mrs Miliband in this way a personal attack. We can remember that the next time you get on your high horse about venal, smearing Labour politicians and The Guardian.

    Don't be absurd, you are claiming that Mrs Miliband - having chosen, of her own free will, to engage in a party political interview on behalf of the Labour Party - can't be criticised for its content.
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  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Sean_F said:

    CD13 said:

    Isam,

    My theory (for what it's worth) is that Ukip gain not so much by their policies but by the response to them. I'm perverse at the best of times but I'm not alone in being irritated by my self-elected betters telling me what to think.

    I may agree with something but if the proponents of it insult my intelligence, I'll vote against just to annoy them.

    If the LDs were happy to discuss the EU, I might vote for them again. It's their certainty in their own infallibility that gets up my nose. Although all parties do it.

    The hysterical response to anything Ukip suggests is their trump card, it's not what they say, it's what their opponents say.

    My prediction ... Ukip probably won't fall below 10% unless their political "betters" learn that sometimes less is more.


    Nail hit on head. The sequences is:-

    1. Farage utters some blasphemy.

    2. Other politicians react like characters in a Bateman cartoon.

    3. UKIP's 15% or so of the vote solidifies.

    4. c.40% of Conservative voters, and 20% of Labour voters think Farage has a point.
    You see the same phenomenon in the zoo. The monkeys throw shit at the gawping public. The adults are horrified and the children think it's hilarious.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,448
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Plato said:

    Like this - I've had two and they're mavellous. My mother told me about hers and I was very sceptical. Then converted.

    I do love eggs with soldiers. This makes them perfectly. amazon.co.uk/Egg-Boilers/b?ie=UTF8&node=11713161

    Cyclefree said:

    Plato said:

    I own an egg boiler - true decadence.

    Scott_P said:

    The Times have helpfully included in their version of the kitchen story a picture of David Miliband in his vast kitchen with all manner of fancy kit

    They are very useful. Essential!
    What's an egg boiler? (Other than a pan with boiling water in it.)

    Thanks. No offence - but seem daft to me. More clutter to store and no real benefit over boiling in a pan. A bit like those egg poacher pans.


    There might be a point in a single-egg boiler - saves energy compared to heating a whole pan.

    Or use a smaller pan and boil two eggs....

    I am a bit of a gadget-o-phobe. Very few strike me as truly useful. They generally seem to me to be an invention looking for a problem to solve.

    A Nespresso coffee machine is a must have, a very high quality blender is a must have, a mini chopper is a must have and a Kenwood Chef Titanium is a really good addition to any kitchen.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Sam Cam does "human" in the Sun,
    where are the howls of protest?
    No, not one.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,449
    Sean_F said:

    CD13 said:

    Isam,

    My theory (for what it's worth) is that Ukip gain not so much by their policies but by the response to them. I'm perverse at the best of times but I'm not alone in being irritated by my self-elected betters telling me what to think.

    I may agree with something but if the proponents of it insult my intelligence, I'll vote against just to annoy them.

    If the LDs were happy to discuss the EU, I might vote for them again. It's their certainty in their own infallibility that gets up my nose. Although all parties do it.

    The hysterical response to anything Ukip suggests is their trump card, it's not what they say, it's what their opponents say.

    My prediction ... Ukip probably won't fall below 10% unless their political "betters" learn that sometimes less is more.


    Nail hit on head. The sequences is:-

    1. Farage utters some blasphemy.

    2. Other politicians react like characters in a Bateman cartoon.

    3. UKIP's 15% or so of the vote solidifies.

    4. c.40% of Conservative voters, and 20% of Labour voters think Farage has a point.
    Yes.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited March 2015
    MaxPB said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Plato said:

    Like this - I've had two and they're mavellous. My mother told me about hers and I was very sceptical. Then converted.

    I do love eggs with soldiers. This makes them perfectly. amazon.co.uk/Egg-Boilers/b?ie=UTF8&node=11713161

    Cyclefree said:

    Plato said:

    I own an egg boiler - true decadence.

    Scott_P said:

    The Times have helpfully included in their version of the kitchen story a picture of David Miliband in his vast kitchen with all manner of fancy kit

    They are very useful. Essential!
    What's an egg boiler? (Other than a pan with boiling water in it.)

    Thanks. No offence - but seem daft to me. More clutter to store and no real benefit over boiling in a pan. A bit like those egg poacher pans.


    There might be a point in a single-egg boiler - saves energy compared to heating a whole pan.

    Or use a smaller pan and boil two eggs....

    I am a bit of a gadget-o-phobe. Very few strike me as truly useful. They generally seem to me to be an invention looking for a problem to solve.

    A Nespresso coffee machine is a must have, a very high quality blender is a must have, a mini chopper is a must have and a Kenwood Chef Titanium is a really good addition to any kitchen.
    Good sharp knives, and decent pans, ideally bought from a professional catering supplier. Everything else is irrelevant.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,872
    antifrank said:

    Sean_F said:

    CD13 said:

    Isam,

    My theory (for what it's worth) is that Ukip gain not so much by their policies but by the response to them. I'm perverse at the best of times but I'm not alone in being irritated by my self-elected betters telling me what to think.

    I may agree with something but if the proponents of it insult my intelligence, I'll vote against just to annoy them.

    If the LDs were happy to discuss the EU, I might vote for them again. It's their certainty in their own infallibility that gets up my nose. Although all parties do it.

    The hysterical response to anything Ukip suggests is their trump card, it's not what they say, it's what their opponents say.

    My prediction ... Ukip probably won't fall below 10% unless their political "betters" learn that sometimes less is more.


    Nail hit on head. The sequences is:-

    1. Farage utters some blasphemy.

    2. Other politicians react like characters in a Bateman cartoon.

    3. UKIP's 15% or so of the vote solidifies.

    4. c.40% of Conservative voters, and 20% of Labour voters think Farage has a point.
    You see the same phenomenon in the zoo. The monkeys throw shit at the gawping public. The adults are horrified and the children think it's hilarious.
    That's a very funny analogy.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,842

    Is that right Richard?

    The one thing that was totally lacking from her interview, however, was humour. That and any sign of warmth, empathy or fallibility.
    Intellectually, I’m certain she understands these concepts. But, like the late Mr Spock, one gets the impression she considers them unnecessary, inconvenient and wholly surplus to requirements.

    It's good to know that you do not consider Mrs Gove writing about Mrs Miliband in this way a personal attack. We can remember that the next time you get on your high horse about venal, smearing Labour politicians and The Guardian.

    Don't be absurd, you are claiming that Mrs Miliband - having chosen, of her own free will, to engage in a party political interview on behalf of the Labour Party - can't be criticised for its content.

    No, I'm not. You are just making that up.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,354
    Populus - the lead (balloon) standard.....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,354
    Smarmeron said:

    Sam Cam does "human" in the Sun,
    where are the howls of protest?
    No, not one.

    She already had her kitchen moment - getting stick for the crime of having the wine rack in her kitchen too near the cooker. Remember tim?
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,788
    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes 2 mins2 minutes ago

    We're looking into rumours of a third Miliband kitchen.

    lolz
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited March 2015
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  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
    MaxPB said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Plato said:

    Like this - I've had two and they're mavellous. My mother told me about hers and I was very sceptical. Then converted.

    I do love eggs with soldiers. This makes them perfectly. amazon.co.uk/Egg-Boilers/b?ie=UTF8&node=11713161

    Cyclefree said:

    Plato said:

    I own an egg boiler - true decadence.

    Scott_P said:

    The Times have helpfully included in their version of the kitchen story a picture of David Miliband in his vast kitchen with all manner of fancy kit

    They are very useful. Essential!
    What's an egg boiler? (Other than a pan with boiling water in it.)

    Thanks. No offence - but seem daft to me. More clutter to store and no real benefit over boiling in a pan. A bit like those egg poacher pans.


    There might be a point in a single-egg boiler - saves energy compared to heating a whole pan.

    Or use a smaller pan and boil two eggs....

    I am a bit of a gadget-o-phobe. Very few strike me as truly useful. They generally seem to me to be an invention looking for a problem to solve.

    A Nespresso coffee machine is a must have, a very high quality blender is a must have, a mini chopper is a must have and a Kenwood Chef Titanium is a really good addition to any kitchen.
    Pah!

    1. A Nespresso coffee machine: unless George Clooney promises to turn up in my kitchen, make the bloody coffee and bring it to me in bed, not a must have at all. A small espresso machine of the type found in every Italian household is all that's needed.
    2. One blender: have that.
    3. A mini-chopper: I have some sharp knives.
    4. What the hell is a Kenwood Chef Titanium?

    My must haves: a cheese grater and a potato masher. A good vegetable peeler and good quality knives. A kettle. A steamer. Good quality pans. That's about it.
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