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edited March 2015 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » It looking as though Al Murray is starting to get under Nigel Farage’s skin

One of the side-shows of May 7th is the Pub Landlord’s campaign in South Thanet, where Farage is seeking to win. It’s a tough three way marginal but the latest from Survation had him with a comfortable lead.

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  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    First?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738
    I'm left scratching my head with this one. Sure Farage should go along with the joke. But for a political establishment fretting about voters holding them in contempt it doesn;t seem that clever.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Who cares? We want to know if Jezza punched the dude or not.
  • VicomtecVicomtec Posts: 1
    Love the essential intolerance of Mr Supposedly-Cheerful-Chappie bubbling over. (Actually I signed in to alert you to a missing "d" in "Lanlord", but by the time I was in , you'd corrected it.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Loving the BBC love-in at chez Miliband, just a normal guy chillin' on his sofa.
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    edited March 2015
    Is he not correct though? It's a clear imitation party and any responsible leader would defend their party's identity. And let's not pretend any of us know what the Pub Landlord wants...
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Welcome Vicomtec & Pauly.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,350
    Vicomtec said:

    Love the essential intolerance of Mr Supposedly-Cheerful-Chappie bubbling over. (Actually I signed in to alert you to a missing "d" in "Lanlord", but by the time I was in , you'd corrected it.

    Still pedantry is always welcome here so you will fit right in.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Pauly said:

    let's not pretend any of us know what the Pub Landlord wants...

    He wants Farage to lose
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Who cares? We want to know if Jezza punched the dude or not.

    According to the Radio Times he aimed and missed... Shame.... ( he missed i meant)

    If you are going to be suspended it might have been for something worthwhile. No top gear this week though
    :-(


    http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-03-10/top-gear-series-postponed-after-jeremy-clarkson-punches-producer
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,872
    Scott_P said:

    Pauly said:

    let's not pretend any of us know what the Pub Landlord wants...

    He wants Farage to lose
    He'll be disappointed.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,350
    I hear that things are so bad at the BBC that the PM is refusing to even turn up for one of their election specials.

    And that was before Clarkson.
  • Pauly said:

    Is he not correct though? It's a clear imitation party and any responsible leader would defend their party's identity. And let's not pretend any of us know what the Pub Landlord wants...

    Incorrect. Any sensible party leader would laugh it off.

    Firstly, there is no realistic danger of voter confusion.Secondly, and more importantly, being seen as pompous and humourless is fatal; particularly for a leader trading on "bloke down the pub" appeal.

    As for what Murray wants, it's perfectly easy to see what Murray wants. He wants publicity, and to rile, with amusing effect, a man whose approach he parodies. Job done.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited March 2015
    "Murray’s party use an upside-down version of Ukip’s logo for the FUKP motif.

    However, the Electoral Commission have refused to register the emblem for campaigning purposes as they have ruled that it is too similar to UKIP’s registered logo."

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/steerpike/2015/03/nigel-farage-calls-for-electoral-commission-to-be-closed/

    Does that mean the logo can appear on the voting form or not?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,350
    What the Pub Landlord wants is publicity for his silly little stunt, ideally generating enough to cover the deposit he is going to lose.

    Responding to nonsense like this is a rare mistake by Farage.

  • Does that mean the logo can appear on the voting form or not?

    It cannot - it is not the registered emblem and therefore cannot be on the ballot paper. It could be on campaign material in fact... albeit there may be intellectual property issues.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    Flamboyant Ukip spokesman who compared Nigel Farage to Jesus sacked after series of gaffes

    EXCLUSIVE: Winston McKenzie dropped as Commonwealth spokesman
    The former boxer organised party's disastrous 'carnival of colour' last year
    Mr McKenzie also called Croydon a 'dump' while being the candidate there

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2988526/Flamboyant-Ukip-spokesman-compared-Nigel-Farage-Jesus-sacked-series-gaffes.html
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    Just watched what may have been the last TopGear,I have not watched for a few years as Mrs Dee does not approve.
    JC looks old fat and well past his sell by date,maybe he is cashing in his pension.
    However I am sure he will be back.
  • It's not that surprising. The Electoral Commission is a pretty dysfunctional body that has seen instances of electoral fraud increase and voter confidence in the integrity of elections fall in the 14 years of its existence, with four of the nine commissioners the nominees of established parties, and a focus on its public image rather than addressing integrity issues. It is unsurprising that Ukip can see advantage in criticising the Commission, so raising this isnt really about Murray or about Thanet.
  • On a general principle, I agree with Farage that the electoral commission should be shut down, they've made a couple of horrific decisions in the last year, we all know about An Independence From Europe during last years Euros (Although they did help me win a bet on them)

    Also, during the Euros, they allowed Britain First to tag themselves with the line "Remember Lee Rigby" on the ballot paper.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Anyone hear John Inverdale's perfect description of Miliband on Radio 5 Live earlier?
  • On a general principle, I agree with Farage that the electoral commission should be shut down, they've made a couple of horrific decisions in the last year, we all know about An Independence From Europe during last years Euros (Although they did help me win a bet on them)

    Also, during the Euros, they allowed Britain First to tag themselves with the line "Remember Lee Rigby" on the ballot paper.

    The latter example is incredibly tasteless, but surely the ballot paper is the very last place where freedom to offend should be interfered with?

    The failure of "An Independence from Europe" to garner many votes rather suggests the Electoral Commission judged the risk of confusion correctly.

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,341
    Bring back the Literal Democrats!
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800


    Does that mean the logo can appear on the voting form or not?

    It cannot - it is not the registered emblem and therefore cannot be on the ballot paper. It could be on campaign material in fact... albeit there may be intellectual property issues.

    I thought UKIP didn't do intellectual.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,341

    On a general principle, I agree with Farage that the electoral commission should be shut down, they've made a couple of horrific decisions in the last year, we all know about An Independence From Europe during last years Euros (Although they did help me win a bet on them)

    Also, during the Euros, they allowed Britain First to tag themselves with the line "Remember Lee Rigby" on the ballot paper.

    The latter example is incredibly tasteless, but surely the ballot paper is the very last place where freedom to offend should be interfered with?

    The failure of "An Independence from Europe" to garner many votes rather suggests the Electoral Commission judged the risk of confusion correctly.

    I thought it was shown that AIFE did actually cost Ukip a couple of MEPs, assuming that the vast majority of people who voted for AIFE voted for them by mistake.
  • On a general principle, I agree with Farage that the electoral commission should be shut down, they've made a couple of horrific decisions in the last year, we all know about An Independence From Europe during last years Euros (Although they did help me win a bet on them)

    Also, during the Euros, they allowed Britain First to tag themselves with the line "Remember Lee Rigby" on the ballot paper.

    The latter example is incredibly tasteless, but surely the ballot paper is the very last place where freedom to offend should be interfered with?

    The failure of "An Independence from Europe" to garner many votes rather suggests the Electoral Commission judged the risk of confusion correctly.

    His family were very upset and the electoral commission said ‘only just realised the mistake’.

    So their systems messed up
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    edited March 2015

    Anyone hear John Inverdale's perfect description of Miliband on Radio 5 Live earlier?

    Generally the guy is a [moderated], but no I didn't. Care to elucidated?
  • Anyone hear John Inverdale's perfect description of Miliband on Radio 5 Live earlier?

    Generally the guy is a [moderated], but no I didn't. Care to elucidated?
    Here, whatever you do, don't use the word John Inverdale uses, it sets on the PB automatic banhammer.

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/mar/10/john-inverdale-x-rated-comment-cheltenham-festival
  • Hengists_GiftHengists_Gift Posts: 628
    edited March 2015
    I doubt such events are registering much except with those desperate to find such stories. It hasn't even reached the Thanet Gazette online news page (although the Labour candidate's request for Blair funding has).

    http://www.thanetgazette.co.uk/news

    It's just noise and even if he gains more than a handful of votes its impossible to prove whether they would have made any difference to Farage. For all we know he could distract some of the less establishment anti-UKIP vote from the Tories or Labour.

    In any case, I'm sure Murray will make even more of a prize tit of himself before the end of the campaign than he has already.

    As for the Electoral Commission, their systemic conflicted dysfunction is just more evidence of the establishment crumbling....
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626

    Anyone hear John Inverdale's perfect description of Miliband on Radio 5 Live earlier?

    Generally the guy is a [moderated], but no I didn't. Care to elucidated?
    What's with the mod? Ok for Cameron to say but not me?
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Anyone hear John Inverdale's perfect description of Miliband on Radio 5 Live earlier?

    Generally the guy is a [moderated], but no I didn't. Care to elucidated?
    He somehow managed to blurt out 'rose-****ed glasses' live on air, obviously he meant rose tinted.

  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited March 2015
    tlg86 said:

    On a general principle, I agree with Farage that the electoral commission should be shut down, they've made a couple of horrific decisions in the last year, we all know about An Independence From Europe during last years Euros (Although they did help me win a bet on them)

    Also, during the Euros, they allowed Britain First to tag themselves with the line "Remember Lee Rigby" on the ballot paper.

    The latter example is incredibly tasteless, but surely the ballot paper is the very last place where freedom to offend should be interfered with?

    The failure of "An Independence from Europe" to garner many votes rather suggests the Electoral Commission judged the risk of confusion correctly.

    I thought it was shown that AIFE did actually cost Ukip a couple of MEPs, assuming that the vast majority of people who voted for AIFE voted for them by mistake.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/26/european-elections-ukip_n_5392689.html

    I think Mr Farage called for the Electoral Commission to be shut down after the EU Parliament election.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,232
    There I was, refreshing the old thread like a numpty!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    RobD said:

    There I was, refreshing the old thread like a numpty!

    SeanT can probably come up with a word for that
  • roserees64roserees64 Posts: 251
    Justine's word 'decency' links in nicely with the Clarkson debacle. Just looking at a re-run of his insensitive gaffes on 4 reminds me of how truly awful he is. We have Clarkson insulting Brown's lack of sight in one eye, deliberately using two racist terms, provoking Argentinian ire through unwise number plates etc.etc. The man's a dated menace and needs to be off air as soon as possible.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    "Going along with the joke" is the way forward, is it?

    It'll be nice to see Mick Pork posting again.
  • On a general principle, I agree with Farage that the electoral commission should be shut down, they've made a couple of horrific decisions in the last year, we all know about An Independence From Europe during last years Euros (Although they did help me win a bet on them)

    Also, during the Euros, they allowed Britain First to tag themselves with the line "Remember Lee Rigby" on the ballot paper.

    The latter example is incredibly tasteless, but surely the ballot paper is the very last place where freedom to offend should be interfered with?

    The failure of "An Independence from Europe" to garner many votes rather suggests the Electoral Commission judged the risk of confusion correctly.

    'An Independence For Europe' came 7th (out of 37 parties listed) in the Euros polling 235,000 votes which was double what Plaid polled (the only regional party to poll more was the SNP) and easily surpassed both the BNP and EDP. Given it was little more than a one man band (albeit an MEP) in their first election I would hardly call that a failure............
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,806
    Sounds like an outburst of personal panic from Farage. He know if he fails to win a seat then Carswell will be well set to take over as leader, along with his social liberalism and free-market love of immigration. UKIP would surely explode in such circumstances.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Justine's word 'decency' links in nicely with the Clarkson debacle. Just looking at a re-run of his insensitive gaffes on 4 reminds me of how truly awful he is. We have Clarkson insulting Brown's lack of sight in one eye, deliberately using two racist terms, provoking Argentinian ire through unwise number plates etc.etc. The man's a dated menace and needs to be off air as soon as possible.


    Do you even understand what the Clarkson brand represents?

    The day no-one is ever allowed to be "insensitive", is the day we become like North Korea.

    May it never happen.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Flamboyant Ukip spokesman who compared Nigel Farage to Jesus sacked after series of gaffes

    EXCLUSIVE: Winston McKenzie dropped as Commonwealth spokesman
    The former boxer organised party's disastrous 'carnival of colour' last year
    Mr McKenzie also called Croydon a 'dump' while being the candidate there

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2988526/Flamboyant-Ukip-spokesman-compared-Nigel-Farage-Jesus-sacked-series-gaffes.html

    Its political correctness gone mad!

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Sounds like an outburst of personal panic from Farage. He know if he fails to win a seat then Carswell will be well set to take over as leader, along with his social liberalism and free-market love of immigration. UKIP would surely explode in such circumstances.

    If Farage flops then Reckless would be a better leader (assuming he makes it back) he may not be as intellectual as Carswell, but he is a much better performer in other ways. Much less likely to go off piste.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120
    DavidL said:

    What the Pub Landlord wants is publicity for his silly little stunt, ideally generating enough to cover the deposit he is going to lose.

    Responding to nonsense like this is a rare mistake by Farage.


    I don't know who is quite more satirical, you David- (rare mistake by Farage) or the pub landlord.

    BTW- someone told me Farage is only 50. Farage, 50. Scarcely believing it, I had to rush to Google to make sure. And sure enough he's 50. He doesn't just belong to another generation, he belongs to another era. He looks old, he's antiquated (not in an endearing way). Farage would compliment a Carry on Movie- and they're all dead.

    Is anyone really surprised that Farage gets the hump with the pub landlord? Farage is to modernity what my dear old Italian in laws are to the Internet. I think he could get Babs Windsor bending over in a gym slip, or dear Sid James in Love Thy Neighbour, but the Pub Landlord...not quite. Straight over the bloke's head.
  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    Its not just a joke name. You don't really expect to see something that looks at first glance like F*ck You written on a ballot paper.

    I seem to recall the Libdems getting very upset when someone stood in a Euro election in the Southwest as a Literal Democrat and the Libdems narrowly lost a few years back.

    I wonder how Mr Clegg would respond if a party with enough members to fill a phone box called the Liberal Demokunnts was allowed to stand in Sheffield Hallam?

    All in all though it reinforces the suspicion that a worried establishment are willing to bend the rules to do UKIP down.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    Islamic State posts Israeli Arab 'spy death video'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31822703
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,372

    Justine's word 'decency' links in nicely with the Clarkson debacle. Just looking at a re-run of his insensitive gaffes on 4 reminds me of how truly awful he is. We have Clarkson insulting Brown's lack of sight in one eye, deliberately using two racist terms, provoking Argentinian ire through unwise number plates etc.etc. The man's a dated menace and needs to be off air as soon as possible.

    I don't follow. Why does he need to be off air? if you don't like him, don't watch Top Gear.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,232

    On a general principle, I agree with Farage that the electoral commission should be shut down, they've made a couple of horrific decisions in the last year, we all know about An Independence From Europe during last years Euros (Although they did help me win a bet on them)

    Also, during the Euros, they allowed Britain First to tag themselves with the line "Remember Lee Rigby" on the ballot paper.

    They also aren't threatening imprisonment for returning officers who don't count their votes immediately after the polls have closed.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302

    Justine's word 'decency' links in nicely with the Clarkson debacle. Just looking at a re-run of his insensitive gaffes on 4 reminds me of how truly awful he is. We have Clarkson insulting Brown's lack of sight in one eye, deliberately using two racist terms, provoking Argentinian ire through unwise number plates etc.etc. The man's a dated menace and needs to be off air as soon as possible.

    Dated menace to whom?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,164

    Sounds like an outburst of personal panic from Farage. He know if he fails to win a seat then Carswell will be well set to take over as leader, along with his social liberalism and free-market love of immigration. UKIP would surely explode in such circumstances.

    If Farage flops then Reckless would be a better leader (assuming he makes it back) he may not be as intellectual as Carswell, but he is a much better performer in other ways. Much less likely to go off piste.
    Too little hair to be leader.

    Also, as you sort of suggest, unlikely to be an MP in a few weeks time. What was the name of that other short lived turncoat UKIPer that no-one remembers? :-)

  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    The Electoral Commission doesn;t make its judgement based on acronyms. They aren't comparing FUKP to UKIP.

    They are comparing Freedom United Kingdom which is somewhat different to United Kingdom Independence Party.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,872
    tyson said:

    DavidL said:

    What the Pub Landlord wants is publicity for his silly little stunt, ideally generating enough to cover the deposit he is going to lose.

    Responding to nonsense like this is a rare mistake by Farage.


    I don't know who is quite more satirical, you David- (rare mistake by Farage) or the pub landlord.

    BTW- someone told me Farage is only 50. Farage, 50. Scarcely believing it, I had to rush to Google to make sure. And sure enough he's 50. He doesn't just belong to another generation, he belongs to another era. He looks old, he's antiquated (not in an endearing way). Farage would compliment a Carry on Movie- and they're all dead.

    Is anyone really surprised that Farage gets the hump with the pub landlord? Farage is to modernity what my dear old Italian in laws are to the Internet. I think he could get Babs Windsor bending over in a gym slip, or dear Sid James in Love Thy Neighbour, but the Pub Landlord...not quite. Straight over the bloke's head.
    Yet Farage is shown polling 39% and the Pub Landlord is shown on 1%.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,738

    On a general principle, I agree with Farage that the electoral commission should be shut down, they've made a couple of horrific decisions in the last year, we all know about An Independence From Europe during last years Euros (Although they did help me win a bet on them)

    Also, during the Euros, they allowed Britain First to tag themselves with the line "Remember Lee Rigby" on the ballot paper.

    An absolute shower. Parties should not be allowed to invent deliberately misleading names either - and the Logo is far too close to UKIP.

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Mortimer
    Being follicularly challenged has become a bad look in the modern presidential age.
    It's a bit of a burger, because some of our best prime ministers have been no oil paintings.
  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409

    Islamic State posts Israeli Arab 'spy death video'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31822703

    Can't see Israel just wringing their hands and doing nothing. Things will get even more interesting in that part of the world.

    Funny thing is that we are getting lots of pictures of hand chopping and gory public executions etc. to show how awful ISIS undoubtably are. Funny though how the same gory practices have been going on for decades in the vast desert oil rich country allied to the west next door to Iraq and we hear not a peep, let alone the slightest sanctions against them....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,232
    Dair said:

    The Electoral Commission doesn;t make its judgement based on acronyms. They aren't comparing FUKP to UKIP.

    Source? And if not, why not I wonder.
  • Pulpstar said:

    An absolute shower. Parties should not be allowed to invent deliberately misleading names either - and the Logo is far too close to UKIP.

    The logo isn't being allowed on the ballot paper. As to the name, it's an obvious parody. Farage just doesn't like being the butt of the joke and, as far as this thread goes, neither do his fanboyz.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Pulpstar
    Vote Constapative!, we are full of sh*t.......?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120

    Justine's word 'decency' links in nicely with the Clarkson debacle. Just looking at a re-run of his insensitive gaffes on 4 reminds me of how truly awful he is. We have Clarkson insulting Brown's lack of sight in one eye, deliberately using two racist terms, provoking Argentinian ire through unwise number plates etc.etc. The man's a dated menace and needs to be off air as soon as possible.

    I don't follow. Why does he need to be off air? if you don't like him, don't watch Top Gear.

    roseree- I mean ffs. We don't live in North Korea.

    I am always happy that Clarkson has such a high profile because he openly and proudly displays the oafish, ignorant stupidity of the right wing Tories. We know they ALL do it behind our backs- I mean ALL of them in their gentlemen's clubs, their soireees, their smug dinner parties. Tory policies reek of the self satisfied, conceited disdain of the plebs from tax cuts, to free schools to bedroom taxes, but very few (aka Clarkson) are prepared to articulate their vile views publicly. Boris Johnson would fit into this category, but he still harbours ambitions. In the future, if BJ's plans fail, expect to see him driving a sports car in Top Gear and slagging off plebs.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,232
    RobD said:

    Dair said:

    The Electoral Commission doesn;t make its judgement based on acronyms. They aren't comparing FUKP to UKIP.

    Source? And if not, why not I wonder.
    I suppose if they are only purely interested in how it looks on the ballot paper, that could explain it. Is UKIP never used on ballot papers?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,164
    Smarmeron said:

    @Mortimer
    Being follicularly challenged has become a bad look in the modern presidential age.
    It's a bit of a burger, because some of our best prime ministers have been no oil paintings.

    Indeed. Although to be honest I simplify rather. It's not the lack of hair, but the lack of style that it symbolises, and the lack of confidence that failure to be in touch inspires.

    Dan Hannan's look would probably work, for example: clean cut, good suits, knows how to wear it.

    Reckless otoh just has too much of the overgrown Billy Bunter about him. What was the lovely sobriquet DC was using at the last conference? It stuck because it struck a cord...
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    I have always the supported the Conservation Party - the party that looks after our non-European heritage !
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,739

    Justine's word 'decency' links in nicely with the Clarkson debacle. Just looking at a re-run of his insensitive gaffes on 4 reminds me of how truly awful he is. We have Clarkson insulting Brown's lack of sight in one eye, deliberately using two racist terms, provoking Argentinian ire through unwise number plates etc.etc. The man's a dated menace and needs to be off air as soon as possible.

    You protest far too much milady! Calm down.

    From the top:

    "One eyed moron", was it? - Yes insulting. Doubtful whether sackworthy. They'd have to sack every politician in Holyrood.

    Eeny-meeny etc. Firstly, Clarkson didn't say it. Secondly, it wasn't broadcast. This was just an outrage-trolling exercise by Guardianistas-Mirrorites dredging the archives more than a year later. Surprised any thinking people fell for it.

    "Slope on that bridge". This is only derogatory in American, not in EngIish. Pretty minor imo.

    I've never heard a proven account of this. Given the continued actions and declarations of the Argentine government about this country, I don't give a hoot whether they are offended or not.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,738

    I doubt such events are registering much except with those desperate to find such stories. It hasn't even reached the Thanet Gazette online news page (although the Labour candidate's request for Blair funding has).

    http://www.thanetgazette.co.uk/news

    It's just noise and even if he gains more than a handful of votes its impossible to prove whether they would have made any difference to Farage. For all we know he could distract some of the less establishment anti-UKIP vote from the Tories or Labour.

    In any case, I'm sure Murray will make even more of a prize tit of himself before the end of the campaign than he has already.

    As for the Electoral Commission, their systemic conflicted dysfunction is just more evidence of the establishment crumbling....

    http://www.thanetgazette.co.uk/Labour-candidate-tweets-Tony-Blair-campaign/story-26143079-detail/story.html

    Begging bowl out to Blair and Campbell for his cash. That;s not going to go down too well - the question is will the utility of the £1000 be greater than the presumed negative publicity of the money. In fact that's a question that could be asked for all Labour MPs in marginals.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,739
    Oops. Final para refers to the number plate allegation.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Islamic State posts Israeli Arab 'spy death video'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31822703

    As far as Israel is concerned, it will be one less Arab.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Pulpstar said:

    On a general principle, I agree with Farage that the electoral commission should be shut down, they've made a couple of horrific decisions in the last year, we all know about An Independence From Europe during last years Euros (Although they did help me win a bet on them)

    Also, during the Euros, they allowed Britain First to tag themselves with the line "Remember Lee Rigby" on the ballot paper.

    An absolute shower. Parties should not be allowed to invent deliberately misleading names either - and the Logo is far too close to UKIP.

    We need legislation on silly and misleading names: Literal Democrat was oked by the High Court, so this is not wholly the EC's fault. They are an absolute shower though, how they survived being disbanded after the admin fiascoes of GE 2010 is a mystery.

    Farage mishandling it, obviously. For a start he should have seen it coming after AIFE.
  • RobD said:

    Dair said:

    The Electoral Commission doesn;t make its judgement based on acronyms. They aren't comparing FUKP to UKIP.

    Source? And if not, why not I wonder.
    The local paper reports it here: http://www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news/its-official---the-pub-33177/

    It quotes the Electoral Commission as follows:

    "We concluded that this party name, if used on a ballot paper, was not likely to lead to electors confusing it with another registered party. At the same time we refused to register the emblem that the Free United Kingdom Party is currently using for campaigning purposes. This is clearly similar to UKIP’s registered emblem and as a result we judged that there was a clear risk of voter confusion. The party may use this emblem in other contexts but it may not use it on ballot papers. The acronym FUKP will also not appear on the ballot paper."

    Sufficient for you? And if not, why not I wonder?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Its not just a joke name. You don't really expect to see something that looks at first glance like F*ck You written on a ballot paper.

    I seem to recall the Libdems getting very upset when someone stood in a Euro election in the Southwest as a Literal Democrat and the Libdems narrowly lost a few years back.

    I wonder how Mr Clegg would respond if a party with enough members to fill a phone box called the Liberal Demokunnts was allowed to stand in Sheffield Hallam?

    All in all though it reinforces the suspicion that a worried establishment are willing to bend the rules to do UKIP down.

    The Electoral Commission are full of Tories !
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,232
    edited March 2015

    RobD said:

    Dair said:

    The Electoral Commission doesn;t make its judgement based on acronyms. They aren't comparing FUKP to UKIP.

    Source? And if not, why not I wonder.
    The local paper reports it here: http://www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news/its-official---the-pub-33177/

    It quotes the Electoral Commission as follows:

    "We concluded that this party name, if used on a ballot paper, was not likely to lead to electors confusing it with another registered party. At the same time we refused to register the emblem that the Free United Kingdom Party is currently using for campaigning purposes. This is clearly similar to UKIP’s registered emblem and as a result we judged that there was a clear risk of voter confusion. The party may use this emblem in other contexts but it may not use it on ballot papers. The acronym FUKP will also not appear on the ballot paper."

    Sufficient for you? And if not, why not I wonder?
    Yeah, I came to the same conclusion in an earlier post. Do keep up ;)

    Edit - and my "if not, why not" was directed at the electoral comission not comparing FUKP to UKIP, not toward Dair (who is no slouch when it comes to these things).
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    tyson said:

    Justine's word 'decency' links in nicely with the Clarkson debacle. Just looking at a re-run of his insensitive gaffes on 4 reminds me of how truly awful he is. We have Clarkson insulting Brown's lack of sight in one eye, deliberately using two racist terms, provoking Argentinian ire through unwise number plates etc.etc. The man's a dated menace and needs to be off air as soon as possible.

    I don't follow. Why does he need to be off air? if you don't like him, don't watch Top Gear.

    roseree- I mean ffs. We don't live in North Korea.

    I am always happy that Clarkson has such a high profile because he openly and proudly displays the oafish, ignorant stupidity of the right wing Tories. We know they ALL do it behind our backs- I mean ALL of them in their gentlemen's clubs, their soireees, their smug dinner parties. Tory policies reek of the self satisfied, conceited disdain of the plebs from tax cuts, to free schools to bedroom taxes, but very few (aka Clarkson) are prepared to articulate their vile views publicly. Boris Johnson would fit into this category, but he still harbours ambitions. In the future, if BJ's plans fail, expect to see him driving a sports car in Top Gear and slagging off plebs.
    Always amuses me that those on the Left use the word 'pleb' so often. Never heard a Tory use it.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Justine's word 'decency' links in nicely with the Clarkson debacle. Just looking at a re-run of his insensitive gaffes on 4 reminds me of how truly awful he is. We have Clarkson insulting Brown's lack of sight in one eye, deliberately using two racist terms, provoking Argentinian ire through unwise number plates etc.etc. The man's a dated menace and needs to be off air as soon as possible.

    He is an obnoxious s.o.b.
  • saddosaddo Posts: 534
    Miliband really is in the brown stuff, if him and his handlers think using Big Gordo's election playbook, with Mrs Brown to the fore is a step forward towards Number 10.

    2 things stand out in the Guardian article:

    Mr & Mrs Ed apparently talk about "vested interests" at home. Do these people actually have a life?

    Best part is the Guardian edit comment at the end where they say:

    "This article was amended on 10 March 2015. The original references to Justine Thornton have been changed to reflect Labour’s statement that she wished to use the surname Miliband in political life."

    Obviously some Labour staffer realised that an article about family life didn't come across all that well without the family name.

    Remember this is a couple who only got married once he became party leader and didn't bother putting his name on his son's birth certificate. Very Odd Ed and Odd Justine.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    tyson said:

    Justine's word 'decency' links in nicely with the Clarkson debacle. Just looking at a re-run of his insensitive gaffes on 4 reminds me of how truly awful he is. We have Clarkson insulting Brown's lack of sight in one eye, deliberately using two racist terms, provoking Argentinian ire through unwise number plates etc.etc. The man's a dated menace and needs to be off air as soon as possible.

    I don't follow. Why does he need to be off air? if you don't like him, don't watch Top Gear.

    roseree- I mean ffs. We don't live in North Korea.

    I am always happy that Clarkson has such a high profile because he openly and proudly displays the oafish, ignorant stupidity of the right wing Tories. We know they ALL do it behind our backs- I mean ALL of them in their gentlemen's clubs, their soireees, their smug dinner parties. Tory policies reek of the self satisfied, conceited disdain of the plebs from tax cuts, to free schools to bedroom taxes, but very few (aka Clarkson) are prepared to articulate their vile views publicly. Boris Johnson would fit into this category, but he still harbours ambitions. In the future, if BJ's plans fail, expect to see him driving a sports car in Top Gear and slagging off plebs.
    Always amuses me that those on the Left use the word 'pleb' so often. Never heard a Tory use it.
    You are a lower class Tory !

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    How about this in Thanet?:

    Surely should be suspended from the party for campaigning for Labour:

    http://order-order.com/2015/03/10/lord-oakeshott-wears-a-red-rosette/

  • Always amuses me that those on the Left use the word 'pleb' so often. Never heard a Tory use it.

    Although one was proved in court to have used it, "or something so close to amount to the same". You know, when he recently tried to destroy the reputation and bankrupt the police officer who had faithfully recorded the same in his notepad.

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    RobD said:

    Dair said:

    The Electoral Commission doesn;t make its judgement based on acronyms. They aren't comparing FUKP to UKIP.

    Source? And if not, why not I wonder.
    The local paper reports it here: http://www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news/its-official---the-pub-33177/

    It quotes the Electoral Commission as follows:

    "We concluded that this party name, if used on a ballot paper, was not likely to lead to electors confusing it with another registered party. At the same time we refused to register the emblem that the Free United Kingdom Party is currently using for campaigning purposes. This is clearly similar to UKIP’s registered emblem and as a result we judged that there was a clear risk of voter confusion. The party may use this emblem in other contexts but it may not use it on ballot papers. The acronym FUKP will also not appear on the ballot paper."

    Sufficient for you? And if not, why not I wonder?
    I think that is OK. UKIP supporters are not literate enough to read the full name of any party.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,100
    ShaleBing said:

    It's not that surprising. The Electoral Commission is a pretty dysfunctional body that has seen instances of electoral fraud increase and voter confidence in the integrity of elections fall in the 14 years of its existence, with four of the nine commissioners the nominees of established parties, and a focus on its public image rather than addressing integrity issues. It is unsurprising that Ukip can see advantage in criticising the Commission, so raising this isnt really about Murray or about Thanet.


    Welcome to PB, and well said.

    Dare I assume you are interested in Scottish politics, like some of us?
  • Farage having a rant about something? Wow - big news! :/
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,100
    Pulpstar said:

    On a general principle, I agree with Farage that the electoral commission should be shut down, they've made a couple of horrific decisions in the last year, we all know about An Independence From Europe during last years Euros (Although they did help me win a bet on them)

    Also, during the Euros, they allowed Britain First to tag themselves with the line "Remember Lee Rigby" on the ballot paper.

    An absolute shower. Parties should not be allowed to invent deliberately misleading names either - and the Logo is far too close to UKIP.

    There is an interesting exception hurriedly added to the rules in recent years - which allows Unionist parties to clain that they are 'Scottish' when, in at least one case, they are nothing of the sort. Hence the non-existent 'Scottish Labour Party' in Scottish voting forms.

  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    surbiton said:

    Justine's word 'decency' links in nicely with the Clarkson debacle. Just looking at a re-run of his insensitive gaffes on 4 reminds me of how truly awful he is. We have Clarkson insulting Brown's lack of sight in one eye, deliberately using two racist terms, provoking Argentinian ire through unwise number plates etc.etc. The man's a dated menace and needs to be off air as soon as possible.

    He is an obnoxious s.o.b.
    The last time I checked we weren't living in the USSR
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @kjohnw
    "The last time I checked we weren't living in the USSR"

    We might be before the year is out?
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    Dair said:

    The Electoral Commission doesn;t make its judgement based on acronyms. They aren't comparing FUKP to UKIP.

    Source? And if not, why not I wonder.
    The local paper reports it here: http://www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news/its-official---the-pub-33177/

    It quotes the Electoral Commission as follows:

    "We concluded that this party name, if used on a ballot paper, was not likely to lead to electors confusing it with another registered party. At the same time we refused to register the emblem that the Free United Kingdom Party is currently using for campaigning purposes. This is clearly similar to UKIP’s registered emblem and as a result we judged that there was a clear risk of voter confusion. The party may use this emblem in other contexts but it may not use it on ballot papers. The acronym FUKP will also not appear on the ballot paper."

    Sufficient for you? And if not, why not I wonder?
    I think that is OK. UKIP supporters are not literate enough to read the full name of any party.
    I'm a UKIP supporter on and off, and I've got a first from Oxford and a PhD from a Russell Group university. Easy claims to make on the internet, but you can have anything upwards of £500 at evens on either or both of them if you want to question them.

    After your silly little sneer I think you owe it to us to disclose the exact height of literacy from which you are sneering.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
    @JosiasJessop

    You wrote a very thoughtful response to my post on a previous thread. I do not really disagree with its substance. Your argument is that there are people who dislike Muslims as a category and tar all of them with the same extremist brush and that this is wrong. I agree.

    But this is not Islamophobia. Islamophobia is a term coined by those who want to stop any criticism of Islam, including criticisms by believing Muslims such as Maajid Nawaz, and who use the understandable desire not to accuse all Muslims regardless of who they are as individuals as extremists as cover for preventing criticism of extremism as an ideology and the people who promote it and act it out.

    They use anti-racism as a way of preventing criticism of ideas. And this is what Islamophobia has come to mean.

    Wrong in my view.

    So I'm not having the debate on the extremists' terms.

    But I hope I will never be accused of insulting Muslims as individuals.
  • Justine now out to bat.... seriously?

    Might as well also sign her up for the England one day team too...
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    If Jezza did indeed swing a punch at somebody (however much he deserved it) then being suspended is hardly a shock. I'd be out of the door under the gross misconduct clause of my contract no doubt.

    Tricky for the Beeb though as they will sorely miss the ~£300M that the show raises.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,738
    Carnyx said:

    Pulpstar said:

    On a general principle, I agree with Farage that the electoral commission should be shut down, they've made a couple of horrific decisions in the last year, we all know about An Independence From Europe during last years Euros (Although they did help me win a bet on them)

    Also, during the Euros, they allowed Britain First to tag themselves with the line "Remember Lee Rigby" on the ballot paper.

    An absolute shower. Parties should not be allowed to invent deliberately misleading names either - and the Logo is far too close to UKIP.

    There is an interesting exception hurriedly added to the rules in recent years - which allows Unionist parties to clain that they are 'Scottish' when, in at least one case, they are nothing of the sort. Hence the non-existent 'Scottish Labour Party' in Scottish voting forms.

    "Jim Murphy benefit gig"
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Ishmael_X said:

    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    Dair said:

    The Electoral Commission doesn;t make its judgement based on acronyms. They aren't comparing FUKP to UKIP.

    Source? And if not, why not I wonder.
    The local paper reports it here: http://www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news/its-official---the-pub-33177/

    It quotes the Electoral Commission as follows:

    "We concluded that this party name, if used on a ballot paper, was not likely to lead to electors confusing it with another registered party. At the same time we refused to register the emblem that the Free United Kingdom Party is currently using for campaigning purposes. This is clearly similar to UKIP’s registered emblem and as a result we judged that there was a clear risk of voter confusion. The party may use this emblem in other contexts but it may not use it on ballot papers. The acronym FUKP will also not appear on the ballot paper."

    Sufficient for you? And if not, why not I wonder?
    I think that is OK. UKIP supporters are not literate enough to read the full name of any party.
    I'm a UKIP supporter on and off, and I've got a first from Oxford and a PhD from a Russell Group university. Easy claims to make on the internet, but you can have anything upwards of £500 at evens on either or both of them if you want to question them.

    After your silly little sneer I think you owe it to us to disclose the exact height of literacy from which you are sneering.
    Noticed on here in the last month or so,the labour supporters are showing who are the real nasty party.

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Scrapheap_as_was
    It might be handy having her around during the election.
    Isn't she a typist in a legal office?
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 899
    edited March 2015
    Israel game

    Evening all, for anyone that would like to play, the Israel election game is available below, entries close 7pm next Monday:

    http://www.electiongame.co.uk/israel15/

    Many thanks!


    DC
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Urgh, the Beeb love-In at chez miliband is quite sick-making.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JeremyClarkson: Sorry Ed. It seems I knocked your "I'm a human" piece down the news agenda.
  • @JeremyClarkson: Sorry Ed. It seems I knocked your "I'm a human" piece down the news agenda.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,100
    Pulpstar said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pulpstar said:

    On a general principle, I agree with Farage that the electoral commission should be shut down, they've made a couple of horrific decisions in the last year, we all know about An Independence From Europe during last years Euros (Although they did help me win a bet on them)

    Also, during the Euros, they allowed Britain First to tag themselves with the line "Remember Lee Rigby" on the ballot paper.

    An absolute shower. Parties should not be allowed to invent deliberately misleading names either - and the Logo is far too close to UKIP.

    There is an interesting exception hurriedly added to the rules in recent years - which allows Unionist parties to clain that they are 'Scottish' when, in at least one case, they are nothing of the sort. Hence the non-existent 'Scottish Labour Party' in Scottish voting forms.

    "Jim Murphy benefit gig"
    That particular instance was before his time (at least I/c SLAB), to be fair to Mr M. But I don't know who masterminded it ...

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    saddo said:

    Miliband really is in the brown stuff, if him and his handlers think using Big Gordo's election playbook, with Mrs Brown to the fore is a step forward towards Number 10.

    2 things stand out in the Guardian article:

    Mr & Mrs Ed apparently talk about "vested interests" at home. Do these people actually have a life?

    Best part is the Guardian edit comment at the end where they say:

    "This article was amended on 10 March 2015. The original references to Justine Thornton have been changed to reflect Labour’s statement that she wished to use the surname Miliband in political life."

    Obviously some Labour staffer realised that an article about family life didn't come across all that well without the family name.

    Remember this is a couple who only got married once he became party leader and didn't bother putting his name on his son's birth certificate. Very Odd Ed and Odd Justine.

    Not really. It is quite common for lady lawyers to practice under their maiden names - I know one married to a Tory MP who does. Not having to explain that in every interview Justine does seems sensible.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Ishmael_X said:

    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    Dair said:

    The Electoral Commission doesn;t make its judgement based on acronyms. They aren't comparing FUKP to UKIP.

    Source? And if not, why not I wonder.
    The local paper reports it here: http://www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news/its-official---the-pub-33177/

    It quotes the Electoral Commission as follows:

    "We concluded that this party name, if used on a ballot paper, was not likely to lead to electors confusing it with another registered party. At the same time we refused to register the emblem that the Free United Kingdom Party is currently using for campaigning purposes. This is clearly similar to UKIP’s registered emblem and as a result we judged that there was a clear risk of voter confusion. The party may use this emblem in other contexts but it may not use it on ballot papers. The acronym FUKP will also not appear on the ballot paper."

    Sufficient for you? And if not, why not I wonder?
    I think that is OK. UKIP supporters are not literate enough to read the full name of any party.
    I'm a UKIP supporter on and off, and I've got a first from Oxford and a PhD from a Russell Group university. Easy claims to make on the internet, but you can have anything upwards of £500 at evens on either or both of them if you want to question them.

    After your silly little sneer I think you owe it to us to disclose the exact height of literacy from which you are sneering.
    Noticed on here in the last month or so,the labour supporters are showing who are the real nasty party.

    Eh!
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    surbiton said:

    Islamic State posts Israeli Arab 'spy death video'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31822703

    As far as Israel is concerned, it will be one less Arab.
    There are some Arab Israeli citizens.

    Just as Muslim and Arab aren't synonymous [80% of Muslims aren't Arabs] nor are Israeli and Jew.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    edited March 2015

    Urgh, the Beeb love-In at chez miliband is quite sick-making.

    Urgh, the Beeb love-In at chez miliband is quite sick-making.

    In fairness it's a series. Sturgeon next week. I assume Farage, Clegg, Cameron follow.
  • @JeremyClarkson: Sorry Ed. It seems I knocked your "I'm a human" piece down the news agenda.

    Brilliant....
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Ishmael_X said:

    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    Dair said:

    The Electoral Commission doesn;t make its judgement based on acronyms. They aren't comparing FUKP to UKIP.

    Source? And if not, why not I wonder.
    The local paper reports it here: http://www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news/its-official---the-pub-33177/

    It quotes the Electoral Commission as follows:

    "We concluded that this party name, if used on a ballot paper, was not likely to lead to electors confusing it with another registered party. At the same time we refused to register the emblem that the Free United Kingdom Party is currently using for campaigning purposes. This is clearly similar to UKIP’s registered emblem and as a result we judged that there was a clear risk of voter confusion. The party may use this emblem in other contexts but it may not use it on ballot papers. The acronym FUKP will also not appear on the ballot paper."

    Sufficient for you? And if not, why not I wonder?
    I think that is OK. UKIP supporters are not literate enough to read the full name of any party.
    I'm a UKIP supporter on and off, and I've got a first from Oxford and a PhD from a Russell Group university. Easy claims to make on the internet, but you can have anything upwards of £500 at evens on either or both of them if you want to question them.

    After your silly little sneer I think you owe it to us to disclose the exact height of literacy from which you are sneering.
    Noticed on here in the last month or so,the labour supporters are showing who are the real nasty party.

    Eh!
    Not you comp,your one of the good guys ;-)

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