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Adrian "Golly" Chiles will be along soon to tell us all they hey it was only the odd insult and that he would get some abuse if he walked around the streets of Manchester because he is a celeb.
All the broadcasters should just go ahead with the debates as planned and empty chair anyone who does not want to take part. It should not be up to DC to decide on debates.
I heard the other day that Manchester was the first nuclear free zone in the UK. If only they had realised what a style icon they were turning down
London was expected to be devastated by two to four bombs of up to five megatons each exploding over the city. Glasgow, Birmingham and Manchester were each said to be in line for one or two "airbursts" of up to five megatons.
and scare yourself about how big the blast radius is, 5mt on Big Ben for example would reach Watford with the thermal radiation flash.
More important, go to Moscow and see how little damage a 100kt W76 actually does to a country the size of Russia. We have 32 available and 64 max even with extra missiles we only have around 120 warheads.
That's not a lot of damage. It is not even viable as a "deterent".
One dropped on the centre of Moscow appears to kill a quarter of a million people. Might put me off a bit.
That would not be in line with Russian military history. The phrase "Acceptable Casualties" could have been invented there.
40 warheads+, upwards of 10 million dead, and 30-40 million injured or dying. Not even Russia would consider that acceptable.
The UK has the ability to launch a maximum of 32 missiles at any enemy. There is a fair chance some of those would be intercepted.
The whole argument in favour of a Nuclear Deterrent is based on MAD. There is no MAD when you can only blood the nose of an enemy. Russia is a country of 17 million square kilometres with military infrastructure generally separate from major population centres.
Even if the entire UK arsenal was deployed solely on population centres, it's still only a bloody nose. Russia survives, the UK is obliterated. MAD is not achieved.
UKIP seem to find it hard to hold on to seats. "UKIP slumped to third place in Bocking ward in Essex (CC) in their attempt to defend the seat as the Conservatives polled 34.3% to win the seat back having lost it by 20 votes two years ago. In addition, UKIP suffered a 5.3% drop in their vote share from 2013 as they finished 119 votes adrift of Labour to finish third."
A mother that tortures and kills her 8 years old daughter only gets 13 years in prison, is that some kind of sick joke?
Mother who tortured her daughter to death is jailed for 13 ... www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Twisted-mother-tortured-daughter-eight-death-jail...
3 hours ago - A 'manipulative and wicked' lesbian and the Muslim lover she brainwashed into torturing her eight-year-old daughter to death were jailed for a ...
Posting less is nothing to do with the site, which remains admirable. I just felt that I was posting for the sake of it and not adding anything to the debate.
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
Er, right.
I think this is an avoidable disaster for Cameron.
He's acting as if the Tories are leading in the polls. But they're still behind and this arrogance reminds voters why they put the Tories behind Labour.
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
Er, right.
I think this is an avoidable disaster for Cameron.
He's acting as if the Tories are leading in the polls. But they're still behind and this arrogance reminds voters why they put the Tories behind Labour.
Adrian "Golly" Chiles will be along soon to tell us all they hey it was only the odd insult and that he would get some abuse if he walked around the streets of Manchester because he is a celeb.
Just watched the video of him walking in Bradford,part of the city he walks,I live near by .
A mother that tortures and kills her 8 years old daughter only gets 13 years in prison, is that some kind of sick joke?
Mother who tortured her daughter to death is jailed for 13 ... www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Twisted-mother-tortured-daughter-eight-death-jail...
3 hours ago - A 'manipulative and wicked' lesbian and the Muslim lover she brainwashed into torturing her eight-year-old daughter to death were jailed for a ...
I'd say it's about par. Women always get lesser sentences for the same crimes as men.
I heard the other day that Manchester was the first nuclear free zone in the UK. If only they had realised what a style icon they were turning down
London was expected to be devastated by two to four bombs of up to five megatons each exploding over the city. Glasgow, Birmingham and Manchester were each said to be in line for one or two "airbursts" of up to five megatons.
and scare yourself about how big the blast radius is, 5mt on Big Ben for example would reach Watford with the thermal radiation flash.
More important, go to Moscow and see how little damage a 100kt W76 actually does to a country the size of Russia. We have 32 available and 64 max even with extra missiles we only have around 120 warheads.
That's not a lot of damage. It is not even viable as a "deterent".
One dropped on the centre of Moscow appears to kill a quarter of a million people. Might put me off a bit.
That would not be in line with Russian military history. The phrase "Acceptable Casualties" could have been invented there.
40 warheads+, upwards of 10 million dead, and 30-40 million injured or dying. Not even Russia would consider that acceptable.
The UK has the ability to launch a maximum of 32 missiles at any enemy. There is a fair chance some of those would be intercepted.
The whole argument in favour of a Nuclear Deterrent is based on MAD. There is no MAD when you can only blood the nose of an enemy. Russia is a country of 17 million square kilometres with military infrastructure generally separate from major population centres.
Even if the entire UK arsenal was deployed solely on population centres, it's still only a bloody nose. Russia survives, the UK is obliterated. MAD is not achieved.
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
Please, Eagles, hapless Tory spinning of the first order!
At the moment, nothing has been decided and I'm far from convinced the seven-sided debate would be a "win" for Cameron as he will have to face some hostile questionning on immigration from Farage and perhaps the audience that isn't going to be easy for him.
Where I would agree is that Cameron's biggest problem in the head-to-Head with Ed M wouldn't be Ed M but questions from the audience.
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
Please, Eagles, hapless Tory spinning of the first order!
At the moment, nothing has been decided and I'm far from convinced the seven-sided debate would be a "win" for Cameron as he will have to face some hostile questionning on immigration from Farage and perhaps the audience that isn't going to be easy for him.
Where I would agree is that Cameron's biggest problem in the head-to-Head with Ed M wouldn't be Ed M but questions from the audience.
When I said Dave got it wrong I said so, like yesterday's thread header.
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
NATO - Article 5
Indeed.
So no need for Trident 2 at all and no need to retain Trident 1.
Dair.. Russia is not the prime Nuclear concern..nutters in the new caliphate are the ones to watch. And they really do not have any concern about how many innocents,on either side, go down
I heard the other day that Manchester was the first nuclear free zone in the UK. If only they had realised what a style icon they were turning down
London was expected to be devastated by two to four bombs of up to five megatons each exploding over the city. Glasgow, Birmingham and Manchester were each said to be in line for one or two "airbursts" of up to five megatons.
and scare yourself about how big the blast radius is, 5mt on Big Ben for example would reach Watford with the thermal radiation flash.
More important, go to Moscow and see how little damage a 100kt W76 actually does to a country the size of Russia. We have 32 available and 64 max even with extra missiles we only have around 120 warheads.
That's not a lot of damage. It is not even viable as a "deterent".
One dropped on the centre of Moscow appears to kill a quarter of a million people. Might put me off a bit.
That would not be in line with Russian military history. The phrase "Acceptable Casualties" could have been invented there.
40 warheads+, upwards of 10 million dead, and 30-40 million injured or dying. Not even Russia would consider that acceptable.
The UK has the ability to launch a maximum of 32 missiles at any enemy. There is a fair chance some of those would be intercepted.
The whole argument in favour of a Nuclear Deterrent is based on MAD. There is no MAD when you can only blood the nose of an enemy. Russia is a country of 17 million square kilometres with military infrastructure generally separate from major population centres.
Even if the entire UK arsenal was deployed solely on population centres, it's still only a bloody nose. Russia survives, the UK is obliterated. MAD is not achieved.
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence.
NATO - Article 5
Non nuclear members of NATO should pay towards the costs of the Nuclear arsenals of the Nuclear member states I reckon.
In practice NATO is essentially the USA Nuclear deterrent when push comes to shove.
@stodge For all their reported certainty of victory. our blue friends tend to wet them selves with excitement at the smallest twitter rumour by their tame press. Relax and enjoy. (or brick yourself if you wish)
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
Please, Eagles, hapless Tory spinning of the first order!
At the moment, nothing has been decided and I'm far from convinced the seven-sided debate would be a "win" for Cameron as he will have to face some hostile questionning on immigration from Farage and perhaps the audience that isn't going to be easy for him.
Where I would agree is that Cameron's biggest problem in the head-to-Head with Ed M wouldn't be Ed M but questions from the audience.
When I said Dave got it wrong I said so, like yesterday's thread header.
When Dave has played it well I say so.
When Dave has played it well I say so
I'm the same with George.
Though I haven't had much to do in the last 5 years.
I heard the other day that Manchester was the first nuclear free zone in the UK. If only they had realised what a style icon they were turning down
London was expected to be devastated by two to four bombs of up to five megatons each exploding over the city. Glasgow, Birmingham and Manchester were each said to be in line for one or two "airbursts" of up to five megatons.
and scare yourself about how big the blast radius is, 5mt on Big Ben for example would reach Watford with the thermal radiation flash.
More important, go to Moscow and see how little damage a 100kt W76 actually does to a country the size of Russia. We have 32 available and 64 max even with extra missiles we only have around 120 warheads.
That's not a lot of damage. It is not even viable as a "deterent".
One dropped on the centre of Moscow appears to kill a quarter of a million people. Might put me off a bit.
That would not be in line with Russian military history. The phrase "Acceptable Casualties" could have been invented there.
40 warheads+, upwards of 10 million dead, and 30-40 million injured or dying. Not even Russia would consider that acceptable.
The UK has the ability to launch a maximum of 32 missiles at any enemy. There is a fair chance some of those would be intercepted.
The whole argument in favour of a Nuclear Deterrent is based on MAD. There is no MAD when you can only blood the nose of an enemy. Russia is a country of 17 million square kilometres with military infrastructure generally separate from major population centres.
Even if the entire UK arsenal was deployed solely on population centres, it's still only a bloody nose. Russia survives, the UK is obliterated. MAD is not achieved.
I don't think we are trying to deter Russia specifically (though we could certainly make them think twice - your major historic cities all destroyed is an unpleasant thought, even if your country would "survive").
An awful lot of the 'country' is largely inhospitable. Inhabited cities tend to be sited in the more liveable parts.
I heard the other day that Manchester was the first nuclear free zone in the UK. If only they had realised what a style icon they were turning down
London was expected to be devastated by two to four bombs of up to five megatons each exploding over the city. Glasgow, Birmingham and Manchester were each said to be in line for one or two "airbursts" of up to five megatons.
and scare yourself about how big the blast radius is, 5mt on Big Ben for example would reach Watford with the thermal radiation flash.
More important, go to Moscow and see how little damage a 100kt W76 actually does to a country the size of Russia. We have 32 available and 64 max even with extra missiles we only have around 120 warheads.
That's not a lot of damage. It is not even viable as a "deterent".
One dropped on the centre of Moscow appears to kill a quarter of a million people. Might put me off a bit.
That would not be in line with Russian military history. The phrase "Acceptable Casualties" could have been invented there.
40 warheads+, upwards of 10 million dead, and 30-40 million injured or dying. Not even Russia would consider that acceptable.
The UK has the ability to launch a maximum of 32 missiles at any enemy. There is a fair chance some of those would be intercepted.
The whole argument in favour of a Nuclear Deterrent is based on MAD. There is no MAD when you can only blood the nose of an enemy. Russia is a country of 17 million square kilometres with military infrastructure generally separate from major population centres.
Even if the entire UK arsenal was deployed solely on population centres, it's still only a bloody nose. Russia survives, the UK is obliterated. MAD is not achieved.
I don't think we are trying to deter Russia specifically (though we could certainly make them think twice - your major historic cities all destroyed is an unpleasant thought, even if your country would "survive").
Middle eastern countries are more likely opponents.
I'm not convinced ISIS give two hoots about any sort of deterrent to be perfectly honest. Have they gained Tripoli yet ?
I went on Holiday to Tunisia a few years ago, could be next on the menu for the nutjobs.
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
Please, Eagles, hapless Tory spinning of the first order!
At the moment, nothing has been decided and I'm far from convinced the seven-sided debate would be a "win" for Cameron as he will have to face some hostile questionning on immigration from Farage and perhaps the audience that isn't going to be easy for him.
Where I would agree is that Cameron's biggest problem in the head-to-Head with Ed M wouldn't be Ed M but questions from the audience.
When I said Dave got it wrong I said so, like yesterday's thread header.
When Dave has played it well I say so.
When Dave has played it well I say so
I'm the same with George.
Though I haven't had much to do in the last 5 years.
But we know why that is.
History shows blokes named Alanbrooke think they can do better than Tory PMs.
Its unfair that all these shenanigans are messing with the careful timetable that the Labour Party, the BBC and the police have for the run up to the election.
Its unfair that all these shenanigans are messing with the careful timetable that the Labour Party, the BBC and the police have for the run up to the election.
If only the Scottish legal system was so thoughtful
Michael Crick (@MichaelLCrick) 06/03/2015 14:10 ITV, I'm told, NOT thinking of going it alone & accepting Downing St proposal for 7-person debate. TV cos to unveil united plans very soon
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
Please, Eagles, hapless Tory spinning of the first order!
At the moment, nothing has been decided and I'm far from convinced the seven-sided debate would be a "win" for Cameron as he will have to face some hostile questionning on immigration from Farage and perhaps the audience that isn't going to be easy for him.
Where I would agree is that Cameron's biggest problem in the head-to-Head with Ed M wouldn't be Ed M but questions from the audience.
When I said Dave got it wrong I said so, like yesterday's thread header.
When Dave has played it well I say so.
When Dave has played it well I say so
I'm the same with George.
Though I haven't had much to do in the last 5 years.
But we know why that is.
History shows blokes named Alanbrooke think they can do better than Tory PMs.
Only because they do.
After 5 years of denying the bleeding obvious, Tory HQ stares reality in the face.
Its unfair that all these shenanigans are messing with the careful timetable that the Labour Party, the BBC and the police have for the run up to the election.
Dair.. Russia is not the prime Nuclear concern..nutters in the new caliphate are the ones to watch. And they really do not have any concern about how many innocents,on either side, go down
So if Islamist nutters detonate a dirty bomb or suitcase nuke in London, where do you target the response?
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
Please, Eagles, hapless Tory spinning of the first order!
At the moment, nothing has been decided and I'm far from convinced the seven-sided debate would be a "win" for Cameron as he will have to face some hostile questionning on immigration from Farage and perhaps the audience that isn't going to be easy for him.
Where I would agree is that Cameron's biggest problem in the head-to-Head with Ed M wouldn't be Ed M but questions from the audience.
When I said Dave got it wrong I said so, like yesterday's thread header.
When Dave has played it well I say so.
When Dave has played it well I say so
I'm the same with George.
Though I haven't had much to do in the last 5 years.
But we know why that is.
History shows blokes named Alanbrooke think they can do better than Tory PMs.
Only because they do.
After 5 years of denying the bleeding obvious, Tory HQ stares reality in the face.
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
Please, Eagles, hapless Tory spinning of the first order!
At the moment, nothing has been decided and I'm far from convinced the seven-sided debate would be a "win" for Cameron as he will have to face some hostile questionning on immigration from Farage and perhaps the audience that isn't going to be easy for him.
Where I would agree is that Cameron's biggest problem in the head-to-Head with Ed M wouldn't be Ed M but questions from the audience.
When I said Dave got it wrong I said so, like yesterday's thread header.
When Dave has played it well I say so.
When Dave has played it well I say so
I'm the same with George.
Though I haven't had much to do in the last 5 years.
But we know why that is.
History shows blokes named Alanbrooke think they can do better than Tory PMs.
Only because they do.
After 5 years of denying the bleeding obvious, Tory HQ stares reality in the face.
@stodge For all their reported certainty of victory. our blue friends tend to wet them selves with excitement at the smallest twitter rumour by their tame press. Relax and enjoy. (or brick yourself if you wish)
The mood on here nine weeks today were Ed and Justine to be on the way to the Palace would be hilarious.
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
Please, Eagles, hapless Tory spinning of the first order!
At the moment, nothing has been decided and I'm far from convinced the seven-sided debate would be a "win" for Cameron as he will have to face some hostile questionning on immigration from Farage and perhaps the audience that isn't going to be easy for him.
Where I would agree is that Cameron's biggest problem in the head-to-Head with Ed M wouldn't be Ed M but questions from the audience.
When I said Dave got it wrong I said so, like yesterday's thread header.
When Dave has played it well I say so.
When Dave has played it well I say so
I'm the same with George.
Though I haven't had much to do in the last 5 years.
But we know why that is.
History shows blokes named Alanbrooke think they can do better than Tory PMs.
Only because they do.
After 5 years of denying the bleeding obvious, Tory HQ stares reality in the face.
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
Please, Eagles, hapless Tory spinning of the first order!
At the moment, nothing has been decided and I'm far from convinced the seven-sided debate would be a "win" for Cameron as he will have to face some hostile questionning on immigration from Farage and perhaps the audience that isn't going to be easy for him.
Where I would agree is that Cameron's biggest problem in the head-to-Head with Ed M wouldn't be Ed M but questions from the audience.
When I said Dave got it wrong I said so, like yesterday's thread header.
When Dave has played it well I say so.
When Dave has played it well I say so
I'm the same with George.
Though I haven't had much to do in the last 5 years.
But we know why that is.
History shows blokes named Alanbrooke think they can do better than Tory PMs.
Only because they do.
After 5 years of denying the bleeding obvious, Tory HQ stares reality in the face.
@stodge For all their reported certainty of victory. our blue friends tend to wet them selves with excitement at the smallest twitter rumour by their tame press. Relax and enjoy. (or brick yourself if you wish)
The mood on here nine weeks today were Ed and Justine to be on the way to the Palace would be hilarious.
Some may think it would be a disaster for Dan Hodges, but he'll get possibly 5 more years worth of writing the same article.
It took 3 x 90 minute debates involving three parties to cover the breadth of key UK Government business. Now ITV expect to cover all of it in 90 minutes with 7 parties? Whatever issues are overlooked (or is Dave going to dictate that as well?) it will overshadow anything that is discussed. Parties will be calling foul left right and centre. It would be a joke.
Given it would seem to be against Ofcom rules (DUP, SF and BNP should by rights also be invited) on such matters surely Ofcom must step in a end this farce once and for all? If ITV attempt to do this they should be hauled across the coals for doing so. We cannot have politicians and TV companies conspiring to influence the general election in what at best is a highly questionable manner.
PS Little surprise that it is ITV that are rumoured to break ranks when its run by that Westminster stooge Crozier.
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
Please, Eagles, hapless Tory spinning of the first order!
At the moment, nothing has been decided and I'm far from convinced the seven-sided debate would be a "win" for Cameron as he will have to face some hostile questionning on immigration from Farage and perhaps the audience that isn't going to be easy for him.
Where I would agree is that Cameron's biggest problem in the head-to-Head with Ed M wouldn't be Ed M but questions from the audience.
When I said Dave got it wrong I said so, like yesterday's thread header.
When Dave has played it well I say so.
When Dave has played it well I say so
I'm the same with George.
Though I haven't had much to do in the last 5 years.
But we know why that is.
History shows blokes named Alanbrooke think they can do better than Tory PMs.
Only because they do.
After 5 years of denying the bleeding obvious, Tory HQ stares reality in the face.
It's just extraordinary how the world fails to cotton on to all our problems. A massive overhang of debt, twin fiscal and trade deficits and us heading towards a complete mess come the election. Yet the capital keeps flowing in.
@stodge For all their reported certainty of victory. our blue friends tend to wet them selves with excitement at the smallest twitter rumour by their tame press. Relax and enjoy. (or brick yourself if you wish)
The mood on here nine weeks today were Ed and Justine to be on the way to the Palace would be hilarious.
Tories who fill their days on pb would probably be humming "Happy Days are here again" if such a scenario were to occur.
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
Please, Eagles, hapless Tory spinning of the first order!
At the moment, nothing has been decided and I'm far from convinced the seven-sided debate would be a "win" for Cameron as he will have to face some hostile questionning on immigration from Farage and perhaps the audience that isn't going to be easy for him.
Where I would agree is that Cameron's biggest problem in the head-to-Head with Ed M wouldn't be Ed M but questions from the audience.
When I said Dave got it wrong I said so, like yesterday's thread header.
When Dave has played it well I say so.
When Dave has played it well I say so
I'm the same with George.
Though I haven't had much to do in the last 5 years.
But we know why that is.
History shows blokes named Alanbrooke think they can do better than Tory PMs.
Only because they do.
After 5 years of denying the bleeding obvious, Tory HQ stares reality in the face.
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
Please, Eagles, hapless Tory spinning of the first order!
At the moment, nothing has been decided and I'm far from convinced the seven-sided debate would be a "win" for Cameron as he will have to face some hostile questionning on immigration from Farage and perhaps the audience that isn't going to be easy for him.
Where I would agree is that Cameron's biggest problem in the head-to-Head with Ed M wouldn't be Ed M but questions from the audience.
When I said Dave got it wrong I said so, like yesterday's thread header.
When Dave has played it well I say so.
When Dave has played it well I say so
I'm the same with George.
Though I haven't had much to do in the last 5 years.
But we know why that is.
History shows blokes named Alanbrooke think they can do better than Tory PMs.
Only because they do.
After 5 years of denying the bleeding obvious, Tory HQ stares reality in the face.
Dair.. Russia is not the prime Nuclear concern..nutters in the new caliphate are the ones to watch. And they really do not have any concern about how many innocents,on either side, go down
So if Islamist nutters detonate a dirty bomb or suitcase nuke in London, where do you target the response?
Nuclear materials have a specific 'signature' which would enable the original source of manufacture to be determined. After that who knows...
It's just extraordinary how the world fails to cotton on to all our problems. A massive overhang of debt, twin fiscal and trade deficits and us heading towards a complete mess come the election. Yet the capital keeps flowing in.
We have our own currency. Look at the £/$ rate for some perspective. The Euro rate is more about the state of the Eurozone (or parts of it) than the UK.
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
Please, Eagles, hapless Tory spinning of the first order!
At the moment, nothing has been decided and I'm far from convinced the seven-sided debate would be a "win" for Cameron as he will have to face some hostile questionning on immigration from Farage and perhaps the audience that isn't going to be easy for him.
Where I would agree is that Cameron's biggest problem in the head-to-Head with Ed M wouldn't be Ed M but questions from the audience.
When I said Dave got it wrong I said so, like yesterday's thread header.
When Dave has played it well I say so.
When Dave has played it well I say so
I'm the same with George.
Though I haven't had much to do in the last 5 years.
But we know why that is.
History shows blokes named Alanbrooke think they can do better than Tory PMs.
Only because they do.
After 5 years of denying the bleeding obvious, Tory HQ stares reality in the face.
"We cannot have politicians and TV companies conspiring to influence the general election"
Damn, and there I was thinking this was all as innocent as the pure white snow.
Well it needed to be said and another thing now we have the FPTA and know well in advance when the election will be Ofcom need to extend the campaign period in terms of broadcasting (only) back to the 1st of January of the year of the election. There has been far too much government advertising in recent months (far more than previously) and far too many politically biased productions in recent weeks neither of which lend to fair elections.
@Richard_Nabavi One broadcaster and Dave come to an arrangement, and all the other parties quietly acquiesce and don't boycott it in favour of an offer by the other broadcasters. As my father used to say, you seldom see a poor bookie, but bankrupt punters are ten a penny.
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
Please, Eagles, hapless Tory spinning of the first order!
At the moment, nothing has been decided and I'm far from convinced the seven-sided debate would be a "win" for Cameron as he will have to face some hostile questionning on immigration from Farage and perhaps the audience that isn't going to be easy for him.
Where I would agree is that Cameron's biggest problem in the head-to-Head with Ed M wouldn't be Ed M but questions from the audience.
When I said Dave got it wrong I said so, like yesterday's thread header.
When Dave has played it well I say so.
When Dave has played it well I say so
I'm the same with George.
Though I haven't had much to do in the last 5 years.
But we know why that is.
History shows blokes named Alanbrooke think they can do better than Tory PMs.
Only because they do.
After 5 years of denying the bleeding obvious, Tory HQ stares reality in the face.
Nah 9 weeks. Dave would quit 9 weeks today were he to lose.
Things are looking bad for Dave. My lazy bastard MP actually stuck a leaflet through the door today for the first time I can remember. Despite his 11,000 majority I'm hoping I'm now in a marginal, he's panicking :-)
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
Please, Eagles, hapless Tory spinning of the first order!
At the moment, nothing has been decided and I'm far from convinced the seven-sided debate would be a "win" for Cameron as he will have to face some hostile questionning on immigration from Farage and perhaps the audience that isn't going to be easy for him.
Where I would agree is that Cameron's biggest problem in the head-to-Head with Ed M wouldn't be Ed M but questions from the audience.
When I said Dave got it wrong I said so, like yesterday's thread header.
When Dave has played it well I say so.
When Dave has played it well I say so
I'm the same with George.
Though I haven't had much to do in the last 5 years.
But we know why that is.
History shows blokes named Alanbrooke think they can do better than Tory PMs.
Only because they do.
After 5 years of denying the bleeding obvious, Tory HQ stares reality in the face.
Nah 9 weeks. Dave would quit 9 weeks today were he to lose.
Things are looking bad for Dave. My lazy bastard MP actually stuck a leaflet through the door today for the first time I can remember. Despite his 11,000 majority I'm hoping I'm now in a marginal, he's panicking :-)
Interesting about ITV - their Chairman is Archie Norman, the ex-Chairman of the Conservative Party.
There is also an intense debate going on about the introduction of retransmission fees in the UK market (i.e. where a broadcaster charges the pay-tv operator for their channel). The current government has just launched a review, which will report post-election. ITV and Channel 4 want it, Sky is vehemently opposed (the BBC just wants to keep its licence fee). So, by doing this, ITV would thus put itself in the government's good book.
For that reason, I don't believe any of Sky, ITV or Channel 4 would go against the government, given what could happen if the Conservatives formed the next government.
Obviously the BBC is concerned re the licence fee.
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
Please, Eagles, hapless Tory spinning of the first order!
At the moment, nothing has been decided and I'm far from convinced the seven-sided debate would be a "win" for Cameron as he will have to face some hostile questionning on immigration from Farage and perhaps the audience that isn't going to be easy for him.
Where I would agree is that Cameron's biggest problem in the head-to-Head with Ed M wouldn't be Ed M but questions from the audience.
When I said Dave got it wrong I said so, like yesterday's thread header.
When Dave has played it well I say so.
When Dave has played it well I say so
I'm the same with George.
Though I haven't had much to do in the last 5 years.
But we know why that is.
History shows blokes named Alanbrooke think they can do better than Tory PMs.
Only because they do.
After 5 years of denying the bleeding obvious, Tory HQ stares reality in the face.
Nah 9 weeks. Dave would quit 9 weeks today were he to lose.
Things are looking bad for Dave. My lazy bastard MP actually stuck a leaflet through the door today for the first time I can remember. Despite his 11,000 majority I'm hoping I'm now in a marginal, he's panicking :-)
SNP surging there too?
There are 6 Scots live in my village of 700 ish people, that's a clearcut majority by Nat standards.
Actually I reckon ISIS DO give a hoot about deterrence. They are seriously trying to establish a caliphate in the Middle East. If we nuked all their major cities (Raqqa, Mosul, etc) that would become impossible, as the places would be irradiated for centuries. ISIS would be effectively wiped out.
The fact that they attract lots of nutters, and do apparently crazy things, does not mean the entire organisation of ISIS is insane. The ISIS leaders want ISIS to survive and prosper.
Note how they have carefully avoided attacking any serious players in their region - i.e. those certain to respond with overwhelming force, such as Turkey and Israel.
It is a bit depressing that segments of the western world seem to care more about 5,000 year old ruins than they care about 21st century people being raped, enslaved, tortured and killed in the most vile ways imaginable.
@madasafish Our American cousins had more or less authorized a tactical strike on Vietnam if Khe Sanh was about to fall. There seemed to be some discussion about the possible "fall out"* should they have done so, and it was decided that it probably wasn't one of the better military strategies. MAD only works as long as no one else starts it.
Actually I reckon ISIS DO give a hoot about deterrence. They are seriously trying to establish a caliphate in the Middle East. If we nuked all their major cities (Raqqa, Mosul, etc) that would become impossible, as the places would be irradiated for centuries. ISIS would be effectively wiped out.
The fact that they attract lots of nutters, and do apparently crazy things, does not mean the entire organisation of ISIS is insane. The ISIS leaders want ISIS to survive and prosper.
Note how they have carefully avoided attacking any serious players in their region - i.e. those certain to respond with overwhelming force, such as Turkey and Israel.
There was a very good article that somebody on here posted a link to a few days ago. Basically, you have to think ISIS are following the most literal interruption of the Koran and to form state that observes all of it. Unlike AQ, ISIS have to have their state, otherwise a lot of what they are driving for is lost.
That isn't to say the nutters wont then go onto try and blow up western stuff etc, but the thing that drives ISIS in the way it does at the moment is having his calilphate, where in their eyes everything is perfectly Islamic.
As my father used to say, you seldom see a poor bookie, but bankrupt punters are ten a penny.
That may have been true in the age of 120% overrounds, but these days pretty much all of the independent bookies have either gone bust or given up. It's betfair wot done 'em in.
@FrancisUrquhart ISIS have at their heart a belief in a forth coming apocalypse, granted, a few of them might not have the same degree of certainty about "when and if" but it does give you an insight about what you are dealing with.
As my father used to say, you seldom see a poor bookie, but bankrupt punters are ten a penny.
That may have been true in the age of 120% overrounds, but these days pretty much all of the independent bookies have either gone bust or given up. It's betfair wot done 'em in.
@FrancisUrquhart ISIS have at their heart a belief in a forth coming apocalypse, granted, a few of them might not have the same degree of certainty about "when and if" but it does give you an insight about what you are dealing with.
If we did nuke (say) a Syrian town and kill hundreds of ISIS fighters at one presumably they'd all be martyrs. Will there be enough virgins waiting for them on the other side?
@Pong Not if you go into almost any pub. You will meet several people who claim they never lose on the fruit machines, and oddly, you meet very few gamblers who tell you about the losses they have made over the years.
@Pong Not if you go into almost any pub. You will meet several people who claim they never lose on the fruit machines, and oddly, you meet very few gamblers who tell you about the losses they have made over the years.
@OldKingCole The number of virgins needed is somewhat reduced by the fact that it was Allah's will that they should die, therefore he will have accounted for those who deserve paradise, and the rest who will have eternal damnation. (Other religions have a similar way of seeing things.)
Does anyone know where the polls behind these bar charts are from?
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Does anyone know where the polls behind these bar charts are from?
James Dennison @JamesRDennison · 20m20 minutes ago Latest polls in 3 Green targets - GP to put all resources in Brstol W - odds against them bt momentum w them #gpconf
Does anyone know where the polls behind these bar charts are from?
James Dennison @JamesRDennison · 20m20 minutes ago Latest polls in 3 Green targets - GP to put all resources in Brstol W - odds against them bt momentum w them #gpconf
@Pong Not if you go into almost any pub. You will meet several people who claim they never lose on the fruit machines, and oddly, you meet very few gamblers who tell you about the losses they have made over the years.
Strangely enough, when you work in the industry you find most people only talk about the losers and near misses they've had.. its a bit muggy to talk about your winners, as everyones a winner
Walked to the pub years ago after work one evening with a Horse Racing trader who told me about six pieces of incredible bad luck he had that months punting that made me think he might have gone skint until he finished of with "record month mind..."
Actually I reckon ISIS DO give a hoot about deterrence. They are seriously trying to establish a caliphate in the Middle East. If we nuked all their major cities (Raqqa, Mosul, etc) that would become impossible, as the places would be irradiated for centuries. ISIS would be effectively wiped out.
The fact that they attract lots of nutters, and do apparently crazy things, does not mean the entire organisation of ISIS is insane. The ISIS leaders want ISIS to survive and prosper.
Note how they have carefully avoided attacking any serious players in their region - i.e. those certain to respond with overwhelming force, such as Turkey and Israel.
It is a bit depressing that segments of the western world seem to care more about 5,000 year old ruins than they care about 21st century people being raped, enslaved, tortured and killed in the most vile ways imaginable.
It is possible - indeed proper - to care about BOTH, quite passionately. What you airily dismiss as "5,000 year old ruins" is the cultural memory of an entire people: the Assyrians.
How would British people feel if ISIS destroyed all our cathedrals, stone circles, palaces, and museums, and then torched the British Library with all its contents?
Homicidal rage would be a common reaction.
Don't get me wrong - it's an act of barbarous vandalism. But we have to care about what is being done to the living far more than the remains of the long-dead.
After the Civil War, every church was whitewashed to remove the pictures and as many statues to saints were destroyed as possible. We can only guess at what cultural treasures we lost then from the odd chance find when the whitewash is peeled off. The story goes that the Chinese Ambassador visited Peterborough, saw the front of the cathedral with all the decapitated statues and said "ah, you too have had a Cultural Revolution". So this experience is not completely unknown in Britain.
Dair.. Russia is not the prime Nuclear concern..nutters in the new caliphate are the ones to watch. And they really do not have any concern about how many innocents,on either side, go down
So if Islamist nutters detonate a dirty bomb or suitcase nuke in London, where do you target the response?
Nuclear materials have a specific 'signature' which would enable the original source of manufacture to be determined. After that who knows...
All that would tell is is where they bought or stole their nuclear materials from, which would probably something spirited away from the border regions of the former soviet union, or something that got lost, apparently the US has managed to lose 8 or so nuclear weapons since it started making them.
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Adrian "Golly" Chiles will be along soon to tell us all they hey it was only the odd insult and that he would get some abuse if he walked around the streets of Manchester because he is a celeb.
http://order-order.com/2015/03/06/itv-hosting-a-secret-leaders-debate-next-friday/
Another massive victory for team Dave if it happens.
If Dave can play the broadcasters so brilliantly just imagine the world of hurt he's going to inflict on Ed in this debate.
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-03-06/poll-greens-mostly-likely-to-be-seen-as-amateurish/
The whole argument in favour of a Nuclear Deterrent is based on MAD. There is no MAD when you can only blood the nose of an enemy. Russia is a country of 17 million square kilometres with military infrastructure generally separate from major population centres.
Even if the entire UK arsenal was deployed solely on population centres, it's still only a bloody nose. Russia survives, the UK is obliterated. MAD is not achieved.
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Posting less is nothing to do with the site, which remains admirable. I just felt that I was posting for the sake of it and not adding anything to the debate.
At such times, less is more.
I think this is an avoidable disaster for Cameron.
He's acting as if the Tories are leading in the polls. But they're still behind and this arrogance reminds voters why they put the Tories behind Labour.
What are the odds on ITV going it alone with the debates?
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
NATO - Article 5
At the moment, nothing has been decided and I'm far from convinced the seven-sided debate would be a "win" for Cameron as he will have to face some hostile questionning on immigration from Farage and perhaps the audience that isn't going to be easy for him.
Where I would agree is that Cameron's biggest problem in the head-to-Head with Ed M wouldn't be Ed M but questions from the audience.
Time for Ed to run along for another meeting with the head of the BBC. Ed Miliband, the Violet Elizabeth Bott for our times.....
"I'll thcream and thcream 'till I'm thick"
When Dave has played it well I say so.
So no need for Trident 2 at all and no need to retain Trident 1.
In practice NATO is essentially the USA Nuclear deterrent when push comes to shove.
For all their reported certainty of victory. our blue friends tend to wet them selves with excitement at the smallest twitter rumour by their tame press.
Relax and enjoy. (or brick yourself if you wish)
I'm the same with George.
Though I haven't had much to do in the last 5 years.
I went on Holiday to Tunisia a few years ago, could be next on the menu for the nutjobs.
At the moment that would mean "nuking" Israel as there is a convention against nuking those without the power to respond.
History shows blokes named Alanbrooke think they can do better than Tory PMs.
06/03/2015 14:10
ITV, I'm told, NOT thinking of going it alone & accepting Downing St proposal for 7-person debate. TV cos to unveil united plans very soon
After 5 years of denying the bleeding obvious, Tory HQ stares reality in the face.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/11453572/George-Osborne-I-regret-not-overhauling-RBS.html
And still draw the wrong conclusions.
Does "told" have a higher certainty than "heard" I wonder?
State of play in the Libyan civil war at the moment, like Labour seats the coastal areas have alot of people in a small area.
You'll miss them when they are gone.
Given it would seem to be against Ofcom rules (DUP, SF and BNP should by rights also be invited) on such matters surely Ofcom must step in a end this farce once and for all? If ITV attempt to do this they should be hauled across the coals for doing so. We cannot have politicians and TV companies conspiring to influence the general election in what at best is a highly questionable manner.
PS Little surprise that it is ITV that are rumoured to break ranks when its run by that Westminster stooge Crozier.
Part-ELBOW for the week's polls so far, inc. last night's YG and Populus:
Lab 33.5
Con 33.1
UKIP 14.5
LD 7.1
Green 5.9
Lab lead 0.4%
also, Greens sub-6%
Where's yer Crossover now?
Damn, and there I was thinking this was all as innocent as the pure white snow.
And subtract a week while the GB public take a break to get drunk and do some gardening while the kids paint Easter eggs?
*except in Scotland
One broadcaster and Dave come to an arrangement, and all the other parties quietly acquiesce and don't boycott it in favour of an offer by the other broadcasters.
As my father used to say, you seldom see a poor bookie, but bankrupt punters are ten a penny.
ISIS are playing a clever game, I think if they aren't stopped they'll go for Istanbul and Rome. But probably not before 2040 or so.
Odds on Lampedusa becoming part of the caliphate before 2025 ?
the NHSCrossover!There is also an intense debate going on about the introduction of retransmission fees in the UK market (i.e. where a broadcaster charges the pay-tv operator for their channel). The current government has just launched a review, which will report post-election. ITV and Channel 4 want it, Sky is vehemently opposed (the BBC just wants to keep its licence fee). So, by doing this, ITV would thus put itself in the government's good book.
For that reason, I don't believe any of Sky, ITV or Channel 4 would go against the government, given what could happen if the Conservatives formed the next government.
Obviously the BBC is concerned re the licence fee.
He has appalling music taste for starters as John Oliver explained.
http://youtu.be/3lKYPp2Kp6s
Our American cousins had more or less authorized a tactical strike on Vietnam if Khe Sanh was about to fall.
There seemed to be some discussion about the possible "fall out"* should they have done so, and it was decided that it probably wasn't one of the better military strategies.
MAD only works as long as no one else starts it.
*pun intended
That isn't to say the nutters wont then go onto try and blow up western stuff etc, but the thing that drives ISIS in the way it does at the moment is having his calilphate, where in their eyes everything is perfectly Islamic.
ISIS have at their heart a belief in a forth coming apocalypse, granted, a few of them might not have the same degree of certainty about "when and if" but it does give you an insight about what you are dealing with.
Not if you go into almost any pub.
You will meet several people who claim they never lose on the fruit machines, and oddly, you meet very few gamblers who tell you about the losses they have made over the years.
The number of virgins needed is somewhat reduced by the fact that it was Allah's will that they should die, therefore he will have accounted for those who deserve paradise, and the rest who will have eternal damnation.
(Other religions have a similar way of seeing things.)
James Dennison @JamesRDennison · 20m20 minutes ago
Latest polls in 3 Green targets - GP to put all resources in Brstol W - odds against them bt momentum w them #gpconf
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I'm already on the Greens at 7-2 here. Lib Dems could well get squeezed
£10 Bristol West, Labour.
Walked to the pub years ago after work one evening with a Horse Racing trader who told me about six pieces of incredible bad luck he had that months punting that made me think he might have gone skint until he finished of with "record month mind..."
Con Lab LD Green
16 32 25 0 0 24
After the Civil War, every church was whitewashed to remove the pictures and as many statues to saints were destroyed as possible. We can only guess at what cultural treasures we lost then from the odd chance find when the whitewash is peeled off. The story goes that the Chinese Ambassador visited Peterborough, saw the front of the cathedral with all the decapitated statues and said "ah, you too have had a Cultural Revolution". So this experience is not completely unknown in Britain.
@JamesRDennison: @TSEofPB http://t.co/xUgn70j0tG
And
@JamesRDennison: @TSEofPB actually they've changed since i put the graphs together a few days ago, will put up a new version
I hope you're writing in purple ink to MI5 about the enemy within.