I think Cowardly Cameron will turn up if the broadcasters stick to their 3 debate plan but offer Clegg the empty chair where Cameron refuses it.
Lets have one debate with at least 7 parties before the manifestos are out sums up Cowardly Cameron,
Those PB Tories who defend his behaviour should be ashamed.
Always good to have the view from the kebab shop.
Oh you are the one who said "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you" aren't you.
So i was already aware that Camerons behaviour would be OK by you.
His behaviour's not that much different than Ed's. I just don't have your blindspot to my own side, nor do I try to take the moral high ground while standing in a swamp.
But you do think its OK to use phrases such as "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you"
Which makes your views worthless to me.
"You knew, and you did f*** all" applies to the Labour council and local MP's such as McShane as it does to SY plod.
What do they say about bad pennies
truth hurt does it? Read what Mcshane had to say about it.
Did he have Xmas dinner with the rapists like Thatcher?
I do not defend what happened in Rotherham as it was indefencible but to conclude Labour gets your Kids raped in front of you as Allanbrooke and by the looks of it yourself does is silly.
After all just because Thatcher frequently entertained Saville that does not make the Tories the party that condones rapists does it?
@ScotTories: Lib Dem vote has collapsed. Only the Scottish Conservatives can keep Ed Miliband out of No10 and stand up to the SNP. http://t.co/8zKxTKQETb
Winning here :-)
It appears to be in proportion with the x-axis at zero. Whatever next?
If the SNP get a landslide victory in Scotland then there'd be no point in Labour trying to run a minority government as if they're 50 odd seats off a majority, the only way they could realistically pass anything would be through the SNP. It'd have to be a Labour/SNP coalition.
They'd get EV4EL through and would then be in a position to govern. The one problem would be the budget, but the SNP would have to vote with the Tories for that not to pass.
That's all very well if Labour are ahead on seats but if they're a couple behind... well...
Labour could lead a minority government with far fewer seats than the Conservatives. They did so in 1924 after the December 1923 election, where they got 191 seats against the Conservatives' 258.
If Lab+SNP is ahead of the Conservatives, that is what I expect to happen, even if Labour are on c250 and the Conservatives are on c290.
In principle I agree but I think a 40 seat gap might be pushing it.
I think Cowardly Cameron will turn up if the broadcasters stick to their 3 debate plan but offer Clegg the empty chair where Cameron refuses it.
Lets have one debate with at least 7 parties before the manifestos are out sums up Cowardly Cameron,
Those PB Tories who defend his behaviour should be ashamed.
Always good to have the view from the kebab shop.
Oh you are the one who said "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you" aren't you.
So i was already aware that Camerons behaviour would be OK by you.
His behaviour's not that much different than Ed's. I just don't have your blindspot to my own side, nor do I try to take the moral high ground while standing in a swamp.
But you do think its OK to use phrases such as "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you"
Which makes your views worthless to me.
"You knew, and you did f*** all" applies to the Labour council and local MP's such as McShane as it does to SY plod.
What do they say about bad pennies
truth hurt does it? Read what Mcshane had to say about it.
Did he have Xmas dinner with the rapists like Thatcher?
I do not defend what happened in Rotherham as it was indefencible but to conclude Labour gets your Kids raped in front of you as Allanbrooke and by the looks of it yourself does is silly.
After all just because Thatcher frequently entertained Saville that does not make the Tories the party that condones rapists does it?
I couldn't care less if you want to slag off Thatcher, it's all you lot have got to fall back on anyway.
What I do care about is people like McShane being aware of mass rape in his constituency and ignoring it for ideological reasons.
If the SNP get a landslide victory in Scotland then there'd be no point in Labour trying to run a minority government as if they're 50 odd seats off a majority, the only way they could realistically pass anything would be through the SNP. It'd have to be a Labour/SNP coalition.
They'd get EV4EL through and would then be in a position to govern. The one problem would be the budget, but the SNP would have to vote with the Tories for that not to pass.
That's all very well if Labour are ahead on seats but if they're a couple behind... well...
Labour could lead a minority government with far fewer seats than the Conservatives. They did so in 1924 after the December 1923 election, where they got 191 seats against the Conservatives' 258.
If Lab+SNP is ahead of the Conservatives, that is what I expect to happen, even if Labour are on c250 and the Conservatives are on c290.
In principle I agree but I think a 40 seat gap might be pushing it.
If the SNP get a landslide victory in Scotland then there'd be no point in Labour trying to run a minority government as if they're 50 odd seats off a majority, the only way they could realistically pass anything would be through the SNP. It'd have to be a Labour/SNP coalition.
They'd get EV4EL through and would then be in a position to govern. The one problem would be the budget, but the SNP would have to vote with the Tories for that not to pass.
That's all very well if Labour are ahead on seats but if they're a couple behind... well...
Labour could lead a minority government with far fewer seats than the Conservatives. They did so in 1924 after the December 1923 election, where they got 191 seats against the Conservatives' 258.
If Lab+SNP is ahead of the Conservatives, that is what I expect to happen, even if Labour are on c250 and the Conservatives are on c290.
Lab propped up by SNP can only spell disaster for Lab. They would be stupid to attempt it.
BJO Labour apparently knew the abuse was taking place..including underage sex and rape and did not lift a finger to stop it... Maggie, like the rest of the world, was unaware of Savilles habits...Massive difference
If the SNP get a landslide victory in Scotland then there'd be no point in Labour trying to run a minority government as if they're 50 odd seats off a majority, the only way they could realistically pass anything would be through the SNP. It'd have to be a Labour/SNP coalition.
They'd get EV4EL through and would then be in a position to govern. The one problem would be the budget, but the SNP would have to vote with the Tories for that not to pass.
That's all very well if Labour are ahead on seats but if they're a couple behind... well...
Labour could lead a minority government with far fewer seats than the Conservatives. They did so in 1924 after the December 1923 election, where they got 191 seats against the Conservatives' 258.
If Lab+SNP is ahead of the Conservatives, that is what I expect to happen, even if Labour are on c250 and the Conservatives are on c290.
In principle I agree but I think a 40 seat gap might be pushing it.
If the SNP get a landslide victory in Scotland then there'd be no point in Labour trying to run a minority government as if they're 50 odd seats off a majority, the only way they could realistically pass anything would be through the SNP. It'd have to be a Labour/SNP coalition.
They'd get EV4EL through and would then be in a position to govern. The one problem would be the budget, but the SNP would have to vote with the Tories for that not to pass.
That's all very well if Labour are ahead on seats but if they're a couple behind... well...
Labour could lead a minority government with far fewer seats than the Conservatives. They did so in 1924 after the December 1923 election, where they got 191 seats against the Conservatives' 258.
If Lab+SNP is ahead of the Conservatives, that is what I expect to happen, even if Labour are on c250 and the Conservatives are on c290.
In principle I agree but I think a 40 seat gap might be pushing it.
Lab propped up by SNP can only spell disaster for Lab. They would be stupid to attempt it.
The SNP will do whatever they can to damage Labour. It's their primary political focus at the moment.
Bear in mind that after May, the voice of Scottish Labour may be almost silenced in Parliament. The temptation for the Labour leadership to cut some form of a deal with the SNP in such circumstances will be that much greater, particularly if it's the seeming choice between power and no power.
I think Cowardly Cameron will turn up if the broadcasters stick to their 3 debate plan but offer Clegg the empty chair where Cameron refuses it.
Lets have one debate with at least 7 parties before the manifestos are out sums up Cowardly Cameron,
Those PB Tories who defend his behaviour should be ashamed.
Always good to have the view from the kebab shop.
Oh you are the one who said "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you" aren't you.
So i was already aware that Camerons behaviour would be OK by you.
His behaviour's not that much different than Ed's. I just don't have your blindspot to my own side, nor do I try to take the moral high ground while standing in a swamp.
But you do think its OK to use phrases such as "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you"
Which makes your views worthless to me.
"You knew, and you did f*** all" applies to the Labour council and local MP's such as McShane as it does to SY plod.
What do they say about bad pennies
truth hurt does it? Read what Mcshane had to say about it.
Did he have Xmas dinner with the rapists like Thatcher?
I do not defend what happened in Rotherham as it was indefencible but to conclude Labour gets your Kids raped in front of you as Allanbrooke and by the looks of it yourself does is silly.
After all just because Thatcher frequently entertained Saville that does not make the Tories the party that condones rapists does it?
Saville wasn't picky. Any Prime Minister would do.
@ScotTories: Lib Dem vote has collapsed. Only the Scottish Conservatives can keep Ed Miliband out of No10 and stand up to the SNP. http://t.co/8zKxTKQETb
Winning here :-)
It appears to be in proportion with the x-axis at zero. Whatever next?
There's not really that much scope to dick about with any axis on that one!
Smarmeron Even Labourites recognise that Maggie was a shrewd operator..are you seriously suggesting that she would have had him anywhere near if she had been informed of his activities..really... you must be dafter than most of your posts suggest.
BJO Labour apparently knew the abuse was taking place..including underage sex and rape and did not lift a finger to stop it... Maggie, like the rest of the world, was unaware of Savilles habits...Massive difference
Like this one?
Former activist Anthony Gilberthorpe says he sent Thatcher a 40-page dossier in 1989 accusing Cabinet members of abusing underage boys.
'Margaret Thatcher knew all about underage sex ring among ministers'
Bear in mind that after May, the voice of Scottish Labour may be almost silenced in Parliament. The temptation for the Labour leadership to cut some form of a deal with the SNP in such circumstances will be that much greater, particularly if it's the seeming choice between power and no power.
True to an extent, but Labour can't abandon Scotland if they want to win some future election. In any case I don't really see why the SNP should play ball. They'll be trying to be as awkward and unhelpful as possible. The more chaotic Westminster is, the better for them. I therefore don't expect them to do a deal with anyone; they might condescend to abstain or vote with Labour when they feel like it, but I don't think they'll promise anything in advance.
For much the same reason I'm not so sure that they wouldn't find an excuse not to bring down a Conservative minority government for a bit.
OT. For the first time today I heard something positive about UKIP. Their first MP Douglas Carswell's father was the person Dr Nicolas Carrigan played by James Macavoy in the film 'The Last King of Scotland' was based on. I never read the book but thought it an excellent film and apparently quite an accurate portrayal of Carswell senior so clearly junior will have inherited a few good genes.
Yeah, I heard that as well.
I really liked Carswell. Very conflicted thoughts about what he did.
It's being suggested that Carswell's father was political adviser to Idi Amin - and that is a positive thing for UKIP? Furthermore its being suggested that Carswells father was the sort of person who would have an extramarital affair with one of Amins wives and then desert her after he got her pregnant - such that she botched a home made abortion and died? And these are good genes???
Fortunately for all our sakes I think it ought to be pointed out that the film is a lot more fiction than fact. The author claimed the character was based on Maj. Bob Astles. This would give the real Carswell senior time to concentrate on AIDS diagnosis. On the positive side for those who cannot separate fact from fiction, it would imply Douglas Carswell's mother is Gillian Anderson.
"I really don't think the spooks spent their time during the Cold War monitoring Top of the Pops". They certainly had time for all sorts of interesting sidelines, many of them well documented, so who knows what might turn up in the wash?
Seems there were a lot of thing our Maggie didn't want too know. Or do you disagree?
I couldn't care less if you want to slag off Thatcher, it's all you lot have got to fall back on anyway.
What I do care about is people like McShane being aware of mass rape in his constituency and ignoring it for ideological reasons.
Labour seems to have lost the WWC vote, the ethnic minority vote is not what it once was, the business vote, the Jewish vote. All they have left is the paedo vote and the block vote. Labour in Bradford West looks promising, especially if the local "community leaders" have given the new PPC their backing.
Without the EU fallopian tubes will wither and ovaries will explode.
I exaggerate, but only a little:
"Across in the House of Lords a debate is ongoing over how women's economic empowerment might be affected if the UK were to leave the EU. Baroness Crawley - the former chairwoman of the Women's National Commission, and now Labour peer, warns that "Farage is a feminist issue". She argues that leaving the EU would hurt women's economic empowerment. "The EU is not only the UK's largest economic market, it's also the union that helped establish standards for working men and women for their rights at work," she tells peers. "I would not want to see women in the UK miss out on future rights for work by leaving the European Union.""
I love how europhiles think that all workers rights would disappear if we were to leave the EU. Because as we all know the only place in the entire world where the workers have basic rights is the EU.
I think Cowardly Cameron will turn up if the broadcasters stick to their 3 debate plan but offer Clegg the empty chair where Cameron refuses it.
Lets have one debate with at least 7 parties before the manifestos are out sums up Cowardly Cameron,
Those PB Tories who defend his behaviour should be ashamed.
Always good to have the view from the kebab shop.
Oh you are the one who said "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you" aren't you.
So i was already aware that Camerons behaviour would be OK by you.
His behaviour's not that much different than Ed's. I just don't have your blindspot to my own side, nor do I try to take the moral high ground while standing in a swamp.
But you do think its OK to use phrases such as "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you"
Which makes your views worthless to me.
"You knew, and you did f*** all" applies to the Labour council and local MP's such as McShane as it does to SY plod.
What do they say about bad pennies
truth hurt does it? Read what Mcshane had to say about it.
Did he have Xmas dinner with the rapists like Thatcher?
I do not defend what happened in Rotherham as it was indefencible but to conclude Labour gets your Kids raped in front of you as Allanbrooke and by the looks of it yourself does is silly.
After all just because Thatcher frequently entertained Saville that does not make the Tories the party that condones rapists does it?
Think they may have interested in someone who mixed with the PM of the day and the Royal Family though.
I doubt it very much.
Why?
Because politicians and royals meet thousands of people. The security services would have been watching Russians, and communists, and anarchists, and Irish terrorist sympathisers, and keeping an eye on civil servants and politicians with access to nuclear secrets and other high-value classified information. Not disc jockies.
Smarmeron Even Labourites recognise that Maggie was a shrewd operator..are you seriously suggesting that she would have had him anywhere near if she had been informed of his activities..really... you must be dafter than most of your posts suggest.
"After all just because Thatcher frequently entertained Saville that does not make the Tories the party that condones rapists does it?"
All this garbage about Saville is such a red herring. Thatcher was responsible for turning London and all our city centres into places where homeless kids who couldn't live at home lived rough. She withdrew dole from 16 year olds at a time of mass and increasing unemployment and many of these kids became rent boys and prostitutes.
Anyone travelling through Euston in those years could see them and see them being picked up. I was going out with a girl who worked for Shelter at the time and saw it more closely than most but everyone knew what was going on. Talking about Rotherham Rochdale or anywhere else beginning with an R is just a diversion and for the most part a racist one.
BJO..I have no info to say otherwise but I guess any files containing that info would have been passed along the line to the appropriate authorities..The PM dos not investigate and bring prosecutions...not even Labour ones.
I think Cowardly Cameron will turn up if the broadcasters stick to their 3 debate plan but offer Clegg the empty chair where Cameron refuses it.
Lets have one debate with at least 7 parties before the manifestos are out sums up Cowardly Cameron,
Those PB Tories who defend his behaviour should be ashamed.
Always good to have the view from the kebab shop.
Oh you are the one who said "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you" aren't you.
So i was already aware that Camerons behaviour would be OK by you.
His behaviour's not that much different than Ed's. I just don't have your blindspot to my own side, nor do I try to take the moral high ground while standing in a swamp.
But you do think its OK to use phrases such as "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you"
Which makes your views worthless to me.
"You knew, and you did f*** all" applies to the Labour council and local MP's such as McShane as it does to SY plod.
What do they say about bad pennies
truth hurt does it? Read what Mcshane had to say about it.
Did he have Xmas dinner with the rapists like Thatcher?
I do not defend what happened in Rotherham as it was indefencible but to conclude Labour gets your Kids raped in front of you as Allanbrooke and by the looks of it yourself does is silly.
After all just because Thatcher frequently entertained Saville that does not make the Tories the party that condones rapists does it?
Thatcher?
BINGO!
What point do you think i am trying to make?
Might it be "the party that gets your Kids raped in front of you" is not an appropriate comment when aimed at either Tories or Labour?
Smarmeron Even Labourites recognise that Maggie was a shrewd operator..are you seriously suggesting that she would have had him anywhere near if she had been informed of his activities..really... you must be dafter than most of your posts suggest.
I'm sure Lord Bell wrote an article about Christmas at Chequers with Thatcher (awful event by the sounds of it). I think he also denied Savile never attended for Christmas once and that he was making it all up.
But this is small fry compared to predictions for the SNP. The PSA’s experts think the party will win 3.8 to 4.7 per cent of the GB-wide vote in May. That would translate into a high-40s/mid-50s vote share in Scotland. If the SNP win that many votes, they will almost certainly win at least 40 seats, and maybe more than 50.
No one thinks the SNP surge will fade, which would mean 40 or 50 – not 29 – seats.
Yet the PSA’s experts predict the party will win just 29. One forecaster recently summarised the way people predict the SNP as “That number looks high. Let’s half it.”
That seems to be what’s happening here. Academics and journalists don’t think the SNP surge will fade before May. But they still can’t believe the party will go from winning 6 seats in 2010 to 40 or 50 in 2015. Understandably – nothing like that has ever happened before in the history of British elections.
On the evidence that we currently have, why would we think that the SNP are likelier to get fewer than 50 seats than more than that number?
It seems to me that the full set is becoming a realistic possibility.
So far Ashcroft has polled 24 - that's over 40% of the total seats in Scotland. And we have the SNP ahead in 21 of them, tied in one, 1% behind in one and 7% behind in one where 10% were "others" i.e. Greens who may be easily persuaded to vote SNP.
And this is all with discredited 2010 weighting.
Yeah, for my final SNP bets, I skipped the constituencies and went straight for the 7/1 on 0-5 SLAB seats.
That bet looks more like 6/4 to me.
Edit: now cut to 4/1. Probably still value.
I got on that at 40 to 1. Someone on here got on at 120 to 1.
@richardDodd Very shrewd and duplicitous, especially to the people she was supposed to be serving. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zircon_affair (someday, some of you lot will actually read this, and the other things, and stop your crazy blustering)
One of the memes the desperados have tried to push is that he his a turn off for women voters... watching that show for women presented by popular women doesn't seem to be the case
Cue "But YouGovs panel after smoothing and weighting for this that and the other etc says 47% blah blah"
The downsides of taking part in these debates are surely wildly exaggerated? Even if you are the big fav to win, which Cameron isn't, you only have to not absolutely muck up, its not that difficult
Carswell and Reckless both dodged a debate pre by election, Tories on here gave them stick (the same ones defending Dave now)... sometimes favourites shorten up after a positive performance too a la Farage vs Clegg
But this is small fry compared to predictions for the SNP. The PSA’s experts think the party will win 3.8 to 4.7 per cent of the GB-wide vote in May. That would translate into a high-40s/mid-50s vote share in Scotland. If the SNP win that many votes, they will almost certainly win at least 40 seats, and maybe more than 50.
No one thinks the SNP surge will fade, which would mean 40 or 50 – not 29 – seats.
Yet the PSA’s experts predict the party will win just 29. One forecaster recently summarised the way people predict the SNP as “That number looks high. Let’s half it.”
That seems to be what’s happening here. Academics and journalists don’t think the SNP surge will fade before May. But they still can’t believe the party will go from winning 6 seats in 2010 to 40 or 50 in 2015. Understandably – nothing like that has ever happened before in the history of British elections.
On the evidence that we currently have, why would we think that the SNP are likelier to get fewer than 50 seats than more than that number?
It seems to me that the full set is becoming a realistic possibility.
So far Ashcroft has polled 24 - that's over 40% of the total seats in Scotland. And we have the SNP ahead in 21 of them, tied in one, 1% behind in one and 7% behind in one where 10% were "others" i.e. Greens who may be easily persuaded to vote SNP.
And this is all with discredited 2010 weighting.
Yeah, for my final SNP bets, I skipped the constituencies and went straight for the 7/1 on 0-5 SLAB seats.
That bet looks more like 6/4 to me.
Edit: now cut to 4/1. Probably still value.
I got on that at 40 to 1. Someone on here got on at 120 to 1.
I managed to get £5 a day at 125/1 for a couple of weeks in early December, William Hill started slashing their odds after the Survation poll just before Christmas.
I see Mr owls is taking full advantage of the freedom to smear people after they are dead. I suppose we must brace ourselves for his regular repeats of Daily/Sunday Mirror stories between now and May 7.
Hayman was an obscure diplomat and was known to the police. It was the DPP who did not prosecute in 1978. As the Telegraph pointed out ''The new information appeared to undermine claims that the decision not to prosecute Hayman was part of an Establishment conspiracy to cover up child abuse.''
@Smarmeron - I suppose you do realise that Maggie was the first PM to officially acknowledge the existence of MI5 and put the security services on a statutory basis?
One of the memes the desperados have tried to push is that he his a turn off for women voters... watching that show for women presented by popular women doesn't seem to be the case
Cue "But YouGovs panel after smoothing and weighting for this that and the other etc says 47% blah blah"
I think the polls are nonsense and sadly quite a few on here will have done their dough by slavishly following them.
"Sayeeda Warsi and a host of Labour MPs attended the unveiling of a ‘Muslim Manifesto’ yesterday at an event on the parliamentary estate. Did they know it was organised by an ‘Islamic extremist’ who has praised Al-Qaeda?"
@Richard_Nabavi You mean like the police? who are also far above breaking the law and commiting perjury for political reasons? I shall sleep more easily tonight.
I see Mr owls is taking full advantage of the freedom to smear people after they are dead. I suppose we must brace ourselves for his regular repeats of Daily/Sunday Mirror stories between now and May 7.
Hayman was an obscure diplomat and was known to the police. It was the DPP who did not prosecute in 1978. As the Telegraph pointed out ''The new information appeared to undermine claims that the decision not to prosecute Hayman was part of an Establishment conspiracy to cover up child abuse.''
Don't be predictable or I'll confuse you with Doddy. The trend was going on through the 60's but where it changed was when dole was withdrawn from 16 year olds and mass unemployment in the early 80's so what was a trickle became a flood and these 16 year olds who'd been kicked out of home had no other way to keep themselves alive
@BBCNormanS: BBC reject DUP appeal to take part in the debates
What a surprise. Although why 8 is more of a handful than 7 is beyond me. Still no chance of a debate. How long before we move onto something more interesting...
Ed should accept IMO would force cowardly Cameron's hand or at least avoid the empty chair issue.
Unless the TV company give UKIP and the Tories the same opportunity it won't happen.
NB When Farage and Clegg debated both Cameron and Miliband were invited but declined.
Invite the four of them again then. If Cameron wants his three biggest rivals to get a prime time slot a week before the election then that's up to him.
@BBCNormanS: DUP condemn decision by the BBC Trust as "farce" - Theyy can't sit in judgement on themselves in this matter #tvdebates
Which is why the Parliamentary Culture Media and Sport Committee have recommended that the Trust be wound up and such matters as this handed over to Ofcom. Of course then Ofcom will not make judgement on any program until it is broadcast and the Electoral Commission will have nothing to do with anything in Ofcom's remit.
Ed should accept IMO would force cowardly Cameron's hand or at least avoid the empty chair issue.
Unless the TV company give UKIP and the Tories the same opportunity it won't happen.
NB When Farage and Clegg debated both Cameron and Miliband were invited but declined.
Invite the four of them again then. If Cameron wants his three biggest rivals to get a prime time slot a week before the election then that's up to him.
I think Cowardly Cameron will turn up if the broadcasters stick to their 3 debate plan but offer Clegg the empty chair where Cameron refuses it.
Lets have one debate with at least 7 parties before the manifestos are out sums up Cowardly Cameron,
Those PB Tories who defend his behaviour should be ashamed.
Always good to have the view from the kebab shop.
Oh you are the one who said "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you" aren't you.
So i was already aware that Camerons behaviour would be OK by you.
His behaviour's not that much different than Ed's. I just don't have your blindspot to my own side, nor do I try to take the moral high ground while standing in a swamp.
But you do think its OK to use phrases such as "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you"
Which makes your views worthless to me.
"You knew, and you did f*** all" applies to the Labour council and local MP's such as McShane as it does to SY plod.
What do they say about bad pennies
truth hurt does it? Read what Mcshane had to say about it.
Did he have Xmas dinner with the rapists like Thatcher?
I do not defend what happened in Rotherham as it was indefencible but to conclude Labour gets your Kids raped in front of you as Allanbrooke and by the looks of it yourself does is silly.
After all just because Thatcher frequently entertained Saville that does not make the Tories the party that condones rapists does it?
Thatcher?
BINGO!
What point do you think i am trying to make?
Might it be "the party that gets your Kids raped in front of you" is not an appropriate comment when aimed at either Tories or Labour?
What a weasel word "appropriate" is. It's a perfectly appropriate comment if it's true. As it is of Labour.
@BBCNormanS: DUP condemn decision by the BBC Trust as "farce" - Theyy can't sit in judgement on themselves in this matter #tvdebates
Which is why the Parliamentary Culture Media and Sport Committee have recommended that the Trust be wound up and such matters as this handed over to Ofcom. Of course then Ofcom will not make judgement on any program until it is broadcast and the Electoral Commission will have nothing to do with anything in Ofcom's remit.
Isn't our bureaucracy worthless!
Our bureaucracy has one over-riding motivation and objective: It is immaterial whether you run an organisation well or badly: just make sure you are no longer there when the brown stuff hits the fan..
As evidence: The BBC Jimmy Saville affairs The Mid Staffs shambles Other NHS shambles
Roger Total bollocks.. Where were youin those terrible day of massive unemployment At your 30k a year school no doubt.. what a total hypocrite you are. A complete Gucci Socialist .. good for nowt.
Let’s not forget, it was Nick Clegg who challenged Nigel Farage to a "public, open debate" on EU membership on his LBC radio slot
Clegg said “As the "leader of the party of 'in'," he was the right person to debate the issue with Mr Farage, the party leader of ‘out’. or word to that effect.
Ed and Cameron just left them to get on with it – cue lots of threads on how disastrous this will be for Ed & Cameron etc…!
It comes down to intellectual self-confidence.Cameron is aware on that score Ed wins by a mile.He is worried too by the possibility of him being seen as a Dr Jeckell and Mr Hyde when he goes reddy purple and turns into Eton school bully Flashman of the Bullingdon Club.Cameron is frit because he doesn't know which one will turn up..
It comes down to intellectual self-confidence.Cameron is aware on that score Ed wins by a mile.He is worried too by the possibility of him being seen as a Dr Jeckell and Mr Hyde when he goes reddy purple and turns into Eton school bully Flashman of the Bullingdon Club.Cameron is frit because he doesn't know which one will turn up..
Jekyll, reddish, Flashman was Rugby not Eton, spaces after full stops please.
It comes down to intellectual self-confidence.Cameron is aware on that score Ed wins by a mile.He is worried too by the possibility of him being seen as a Dr Jeckell and Mr Hyde when he goes reddy purple and turns into Eton school bully Flashman of the Bullingdon Club.Cameron is frit because he doesn't know which one will turn up..
LOL. He sees no upside in debating someone who "would have to soil himself onstage to perform below expectations".
I think Cowardly Cameron will turn up if the broadcasters stick to their 3 debate plan but offer Clegg the empty chair where Cameron refuses it.
Lets have one debate with at least 7 parties before the manifestos are out sums up Cowardly Cameron,
Those PB Tories who defend his behaviour should be ashamed.
Always good to have the view from the kebab shop.
Oh you are the one who said "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you" aren't you.
So i was already aware that Camerons behaviour would be OK by you.
His behaviour's not that much different than Ed's. I just don't have your blindspot to my own side, nor do I try to take the moral high ground while standing in a swamp.
But you do think its OK to use phrases such as "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you"
Which makes your views worthless to me.
"You knew, and you did f*** all" applies to the Labour council and local MP's such as McShane as it does to SY plod.
What do they say about bad pennies
truth hurt does it? Read what Mcshane had to say about it.
Did he have Xmas dinner with the rapists like Thatcher?
I do not defend what happened in Rotherham as it was indefencible but to conclude Labour gets your Kids raped in front of you as Allanbrooke and by the looks of it yourself does is silly.
After all just because Thatcher frequently entertained Saville that does not make the Tories the party that condones rapists does it?
Thatcher?
BINGO!
What point do you think i am trying to make?
Might it be "the party that gets your Kids raped in front of you" is not an appropriate comment when aimed at either Tories or Labour?
What a weasel word "appropriate" is. It's a perfectly appropriate comment if it's true. As it is of Labour.
Your views are as worthless as Allenbrookes if you believe that
Let’s not forget, it was Nick Clegg who challenged Nigel Farage to a "public, open debate" on EU membership on his LBC radio slot
Clegg said “As the "leader of the party of 'in'," he was the right person to debate the issue with Mr Farage, the party leader of ‘out’. or word to that effect.
Ed and Cameron just left them to get on with it – cue lots of threads on how disastrous this will be for Ed & Cameron etc…!
Well neither of them won the Euros off the back of it and particularly in coming third it was an embarrassment for Cameron (when was the last time the Tories came third in a national election?) so it hardly helped them did it?
It comes down to intellectual self-confidence.Cameron is aware on that score Ed wins by a mile.He is worried too by the possibility of him being seen as a Dr Jeckell and Mr Hyde when he goes reddy purple and turns into Eton school bully Flashman of the Bullingdon Club.Cameron is frit because he doesn't know which one will turn up..
Jekyll, reddish, Flashman was Rugby not Eton, spaces after full stops please.
A while back EICIPM seemed inevitable, and TV debates were the Tories' great hope and Labour's great fear.
The swapping of those hopes and fears seems to reflect a situation where EICINPM seems increasingly probable.
It isn't Miliband who has much to gain, Chestnut.
It's Farage. The PM is most vulnerable on the immigration claims he made during the 2010 debates. That's a penalty kick for the purples, if they are ever given the chance to take it.
"@Roger - Yes, as famously depicted by Ken Loach in Cathy Come Home"
Exactly.
... in 1966. Remarkable foresight.
In the same way that Boys from The Black Stuff was a tale about the evil impact of thatcherism on north of England. Despite it being based on a play written in 1978.
Let’s not forget, it was Nick Clegg who challenged Nigel Farage to a "public, open debate" on EU membership on his LBC radio slot
Clegg said “As the "leader of the party of 'in'," he was the right person to debate the issue with Mr Farage, the party leader of ‘out’. or word to that effect.
Ed and Cameron just left them to get on with it – cue lots of threads on how disastrous this will be for Ed & Cameron etc…!
Farage had everything to lose, Clegg was destined for 4th or 5th, but as he genuinely believed in what he was standing for he relished the opportunity and sealed the deal for UKIP
A while back EICIPM seemed inevitable, and TV debates were the Tories' great hope and Labour's great fear.
The swapping of those hopes and fears seems to reflect a situation where EICINPM seems increasingly probable.
It isn't Miliband who has much to gain, Chestnut.
It's Farage. The PM is most vulnerable on the immigration claims he made during the 2010 debates. That's a penalty kick for the purples, if they are ever given the chance to take it.
UKIP already took it and missed.. they have no idea what to tell us what they actually want. They had a public disagreement about totals. We do know for certain that they don't like immigrants
"@Roger - Yes, as famously depicted by Ken Loach in Cathy Come Home"
Exactly.
... in 1966. Remarkable foresight.
In the same way that Boys from The Black Stuff was a tale about the evil impact of thatcherism on north of England. Despite it being based on a play written in 1978.
Chestnut.. Roger has never seen the inside of a dole office..never experienced the sensation of not having one penny in his pocket..known the fear of being evicted.. in my case by a Labour Council..while his family were happily splashing out 30 K a year for his schooling.. .when the average salary was na[many thousands a year less than that, as it still is.Yet he has the gaul to criticise Conservative policies and derides them as the greatest evil ever. The man is totally out of touch and is a complete tool .
A while back EICIPM seemed inevitable, and TV debates were the Tories' great hope and Labour's great fear.
The swapping of those hopes and fears seems to reflect a situation where EICINPM seems increasingly probable.
It isn't Miliband who has much to gain, Chestnut.
It's Farage. The PM is most vulnerable on the immigration claims he made during the 2010 debates. That's a penalty kick for the purples, if they are ever given the chance to take it.
Quite so. UKIP owns immigration in the same way that Labour owns the NHS.
A while back EICIPM seemed inevitable, and TV debates were the Tories' great hope and Labour's great fear.
The swapping of those hopes and fears seems to reflect a situation where EICINPM seems increasingly probable.
It isn't Miliband who has much to gain, Chestnut.
It's Farage. The PM is most vulnerable on the immigration claims he made during the 2010 debates. That's a penalty kick for the purples, if they are ever given the chance to take it.
UKIP already took it and missed.. they have no idea what to tell us what they actually want. They had a public disagreement about totals. We do know for certain that they don't like immigrants
Controls on immigration = For those who do not like immigrants. Unlimited immigration = For those who like immigrants.
In which case the vast majority of the world do not like immigrants.
A while back EICIPM seemed inevitable, and TV debates were the Tories' great hope and Labour's great fear.
The swapping of those hopes and fears seems to reflect a situation where EICINPM seems increasingly probable.
It isn't Miliband who has much to gain, Chestnut.
It's Farage. The PM is most vulnerable on the immigration claims he made during the 2010 debates. That's a penalty kick for the purples, if they are ever given the chance to take it.
UKIP already took it and missed.. they have no idea what to tell us what they actually want. They had a public disagreement about totals. We do know for certain that they don't like immigrants
Controls on immigration = For those who do not like immigrants. Unlimited immigration = For those who like immigrants.
In which case the vast majority of the world do not like immigrants.
UKIP have actually told us they do not like immigrants. They cause traffic jams. They look funny and frightening. They talk funny on the tube. On the hand I'm told immigrant women are very good at cleaning behind the fridge.
@Alanbrooke I meant in terms of it blowing over quickly? (I sort of agree that the last debates were pretty useless but it was more that damned "worm" that got me)
@Alanbrooke I meant in terms of it blowing over quickly? (I sort of agree that the last debates were pretty useless but it was more that damned "worm" that got me)
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I do not defend what happened in Rotherham as it was indefencible but to conclude Labour gets your Kids raped in front of you as Allanbrooke and by the looks of it yourself does is silly.
After all just because Thatcher frequently entertained Saville that does not make the Tories the party that condones rapists does it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-31752981
Armed police stopping drivers in Scotland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1924 might give the Labour grandees pause for thought - not to mention that most of them can't stand Ed.
What I do care about is people like McShane being aware of mass rape in his constituency and ignoring it for ideological reasons.
Lab propped up by SNP can only spell disaster for Lab. They would be stupid to attempt it.
And if she had known? She would have immediately stopped any criminal activity?
(being a paragon of honesty)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487217/Jimmy-Savile-harassed-music-boss-wife-Chequers-dinner-party-hosted-Tony-Blair.html
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/05_03/brownDM0905_468x307.jpg
http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/police-scotland-bans-pigs-from-facebook-page-1-3710080
Am waiting for them to propel a journalist down some stairs.
Former activist Anthony Gilberthorpe says he sent Thatcher a 40-page dossier in 1989 accusing Cabinet members of abusing underage boys.
'Margaret Thatcher knew all about underage sex ring among ministers'
Or this one
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/02/thatcher-peter-hayman-named-paedophile-archives
Doesnt make the Tories the party that gets your Kids raped in front of you though does it or at least not IMO
For much the same reason I'm not so sure that they wouldn't find an excuse not to bring down a Conservative minority government for a bit.
Furthermore its being suggested that Carswells father was the sort of person who would have an extramarital affair with one of Amins wives and then desert her after he got her pregnant - such that she botched a home made abortion and died? And these are good genes???
Fortunately for all our sakes I think it ought to be pointed out that the film is a lot more fiction than fact. The author claimed the character was based on Maj. Bob Astles. This would give the real Carswell senior time to concentrate on AIDS diagnosis.
On the positive side for those who cannot separate fact from fiction, it would imply Douglas Carswell's mother is Gillian Anderson.
"I really don't think the spooks spent their time during the Cold War monitoring Top of the Pops".
They certainly had time for all sorts of interesting sidelines, many of them well documented, so who knows what might turn up in the wash?
Seems there were a lot of thing our Maggie didn't want too know. Or do you disagree?
BINGO!
@politicshome: Nick Clegg has written to Ed Miliband challenging him to a one-on-one TV debate http://t.co/nWnUz1Vce0 http://t.co/j38WJwLyT4
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-child-abuse-whistleblower-margaret-3849172
No never but the point is this doesnt make the Tory party "the party that gets your Kids raped in front of you"
As Allenbrooke claims Labour is.
Only if he is insane. He could paint it as "Cameron sends his poodle to defend his government" without much effort.
Ukip axed its migration cap just 24 hours before immigration announcement over fears of bad press
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ukip-axed-migration-cap-just-5280422
"After all just because Thatcher frequently entertained Saville that does not make the Tories the party that condones rapists does it?"
All this garbage about Saville is such a red herring. Thatcher was responsible for turning London and all our city centres into places where homeless kids who couldn't live at home lived rough. She withdrew dole from 16 year olds at a time of mass and increasing unemployment and many of these kids became rent boys and prostitutes.
Anyone travelling through Euston in those years could see them and see them being picked up. I was going out with a girl who worked for Shelter at the time and saw it more closely than most but everyone knew what was going on. Talking about Rotherham Rochdale or anywhere else beginning with an R is just a diversion and for the most part a racist one.
Might it be "the party that gets your Kids raped in front of you" is not an appropriate comment when aimed at either Tories or Labour?
Very shrewd and duplicitous, especially to the people she was supposed to be serving.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zircon_affair
(someday, some of you lot will actually read this, and the other things, and stop your crazy blustering)
Cue "But YouGovs panel after smoothing and weighting for this that and the other etc says 47% blah blah"
Carswell and Reckless both dodged a debate pre by election, Tories on here gave them stick (the same ones defending Dave now)... sometimes favourites shorten up after a positive performance too a la Farage vs Clegg
"@Roger - Yes, as famously depicted by Ken Loach in Cathy Come Home"
Exactly.
Hayman was an obscure diplomat and was known to the police. It was the DPP who did not prosecute in 1978.
As the Telegraph pointed out ''The new information appeared to undermine claims that the decision not to prosecute Hayman was part of an Establishment conspiracy to cover up child abuse.''
http://order-order.com/
You mean like the police? who are also far above breaking the law and commiting perjury for political reasons?
I shall sleep more easily tonight.
NB When Farage and Clegg debated both Cameron and Miliband were invited but declined.
I never realised!
She is, but she lives on in her only truly begotten son, Tony Blair.
(the possibility of a "virgin" birth is strongly rumoured)
Well, everyone else seems to be :-)
Don't be predictable or I'll confuse you with Doddy. The trend was going on through the 60's but where it changed was when dole was withdrawn from 16 year olds and mass unemployment in the early 80's so what was a trickle became a flood and these 16 year olds who'd been kicked out of home had no other way to keep themselves alive
'Talking about Rotherham Rochdale or anywhere else beginning with an R is just a diversion and for the most part a racist one.'
Didn't have to wait long for a clown to play the race card.
Isn't our bureaucracy worthless!
"How long before we move onto something more interesting..."
That depends on the spin doctors, and their various strategies over the coming weeks.
( Guess the strategy, you might beat the polls and the bookies
And this is Cameron's fault apparently...
As evidence:
The BBC Jimmy Saville affairs
The Mid Staffs shambles
Other NHS shambles
and a real classic:
The Chilcott Enquiry.
The courts should be able to take it out of the spotlight, it will fade from view like melting snow.
Let’s not forget, it was Nick Clegg who challenged Nigel Farage to a "public, open debate" on EU membership on his LBC radio slot
Clegg said “As the "leader of the party of 'in'," he was the right person to debate the issue with Mr Farage, the party leader of ‘out’. or word to that effect.
Ed and Cameron just left them to get on with it – cue lots of threads on how disastrous this will be for Ed & Cameron etc…!
http://freakonomics.com/2015/02/13/is-there-a-better-way-to-fight-terrorism-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/
Receipt of an allowance was made conditional upon being registered for, or attending youth training.
Not frit, just not stupid!
The swapping of those hopes and fears seems to reflect a situation where EICINPM seems increasingly probable.
It's Farage. The PM is most vulnerable on the immigration claims he made during the 2010 debates. That's a penalty kick for the purples, if they are ever given the chance to take it.
http://news.sky.com/story/1439460/budgetrapbattle-leaders-rap-the-budget
http://www.itv.com/news/granada/2015-03-05/boy-excluded-from-world-book-day-for-fifty-shades-of-grey-costume/
And Punk was anti-Thatcher.
" PM faces being 'empty-chaired' as TV debates are expected to go ahead
Broadcasters say they won’t let one party dictate the terms, adding they may have legal grounds to show empty pulpit where David Cameron should be"
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/05/pm-empty-chaired-broadcasters-set-to-go-ahead-debates
The man is totally out of touch and is a complete tool .
He has learnt the lessons from his ITV digital experiences.
I once again decided I agree with Nick as he challenged Ed to debate him, that had me laughing on the drive home.
Unlimited immigration = For those who like immigrants.
In which case the vast majority of the world do not like immigrants.
I meant in terms of it blowing over quickly?
(I sort of agree that the last debates were pretty useless but it was more that damned "worm" that got me)