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  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    Interesting question to ponder. Would the debates be happening if Coulson was still involved in the Downing St. operation?

    I think yes!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Pulpstar said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @Ishmael_X
    "Because he can do very, very straightforward risk/reward calculations. "

    So all the guff he spouted before the last election was just self serving spin?

    The wacky world of PB, where if a politician lies to us, we admire him for having the good sense to do so

    The wacky world of PB, where if a politician lies to us we are surprised.
    Nick had the decency to apologise over his tuition fee debacle, even though it's not done him much credit. The list is growing a mile long with Dave.
    I'm not particularly defending Dave, I'm simply questioning the faux outrage from the partisan crowd that their man would never do the same if it gave him a short term advantage.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041

    Ishmael_X said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Meic said:

    ed miliband having a debate with himself! The chair would win hands down!!! I think things would have been so different if the right brother had won the leadership!!! RIP Ed!!!

    Yet cowardly Cam is Frit of EIC
    EIC is frit of annihilation on May 7 and desperate for anything which might turn things round.
    You seriously defend Cowardly Cam over his behaviour re the debates?
    I am convinced he is motivated by an altruistic desire to spare ed embarrassment.
    So you defend his behaviour OK think that says a fair bit about you
    "His behaviour" you make it sound like he's committed a crime. He is simply politicking for what he views as the most favourable outcome.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    Ishmael_X said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Meic said:

    ed miliband having a debate with himself! The chair would win hands down!!! I think things would have been so different if the right brother had won the leadership!!! RIP Ed!!!

    Yet cowardly Cam is Frit of EIC
    EIC is frit of annihilation on May 7 and desperate for anything which might turn things round.
    You seriously defend Cowardly Cam over his behaviour re the debates?
    I am convinced he is motivated by an altruistic desire to spare ed embarrassment.
    So you defend his behaviour OK think that says a fair bit about you
    By that measure given Ed's record you must consider yourself pond slime.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    John Rentoul @JohnRentoul

    One word in defence of Cameron. He said from the start he wanted TV debates before short campaign. Broadcasters simply ignored him.


    The debates did dominate the campaign last time. Though arguably that was a good thing - maybe not for those already politically inclined, but for those who were less engaged.

    But let's not pretend the schedule the broadcasters created this time was motivated by a pure desire for democracy to triumph.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Ishmael_X said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Meic said:

    ed miliband having a debate with himself! The chair would win hands down!!! I think things would have been so different if the right brother had won the leadership!!! RIP Ed!!!

    Yet cowardly Cam is Frit of EIC
    EIC is frit of annihilation on May 7 and desperate for anything which might turn things round.
    You seriously defend Cowardly Cam over his behaviour re the debates?
    I am convinced he is motivated by an altruistic desire to spare ed embarrassment.
    So you defend his behaviour OK think that says a fair bit about you
    Don't know what you are talking about. The Prime Minister has put forward positive and constructive proposals for a 7-way debate.

    And lighten up, it's not my fault that ed is crap and that Baxter turns out to be not a prediction, and broken anyway.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    edited March 2015
    Boris Johnson is Londons choice to repleace Cameron if the election is deadlocked and there has to be an autumn election;

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-is-londons-choice-to-replace-david-cameron-if-election-ends-in-deadlock-10088067.html

    I bet we'd get debates with Boris too. :smiley:
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Ishmael_X said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Meic said:

    ed miliband having a debate with himself! The chair would win hands down!!! I think things would have been so different if the right brother had won the leadership!!! RIP Ed!!!

    Yet cowardly Cam is Frit of EIC
    EIC is frit of annihilation on May 7 and desperate for anything which might turn things round.
    You seriously defend Cowardly Cam over his behaviour re the debates?
    I am convinced he is motivated by an altruistic desire to spare ed embarrassment.
    So you defend his behaviour OK think that says a fair bit about you
    Don't know what you are talking about. The Prime Minister has put forward positive and constructive proposals for a 7-way debate.

    And lighten up, it's not my fault that ed is crap and that Baxter turns out to be not a prediction, and broken anyway.
    You're not telling me that BJESUS is flawed?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cognitive dissonance on the SNP:

    SNP

    But this is small fry compared to predictions for the SNP. The PSA’s experts think the party will win 3.8 to 4.7 per cent of the GB-wide vote in May. That would translate into a high-40s/mid-50s vote share in Scotland. If the SNP win that many votes, they will almost certainly win at least 40 seats, and maybe more than 50.

    No one thinks the SNP surge will fade, which would mean 40 or 50 – not 29 – seats.

    Yet the PSA’s experts predict the party will win just 29. One forecaster recently summarised the way people predict the SNP as “That number looks high. Let’s half it.”

    That seems to be what’s happening here. Academics and journalists don’t think the SNP surge will fade before May. But they still can’t believe the party will go from winning 6 seats in 2010 to 40 or 50 in 2015. Understandably – nothing like that has ever happened before in the history of British elections.

    On the evidence that we currently have, why would we think that the SNP are likelier to get fewer than 50 seats than more than that number?
    It seems to me that the full set is becoming a realistic possibility.

    So far Ashcroft has polled 24 - that's over 40% of the total seats in Scotland. And we have the SNP ahead in 21 of them, tied in one, 1% behind in one and 7% behind in one where 10% were "others" i.e. Greens who may be easily persuaded to vote SNP.

    And this is all with discredited 2010 weighting.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Dair said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cognitive dissonance on the SNP:

    SNP

    But this is small fry compared to predictions for the SNP. The PSA’s experts think the party will win 3.8 to 4.7 per cent of the GB-wide vote in May. That would translate into a high-40s/mid-50s vote share in Scotland. If the SNP win that many votes, they will almost certainly win at least 40 seats, and maybe more than 50.

    No one thinks the SNP surge will fade, which would mean 40 or 50 – not 29 – seats.

    Yet the PSA’s experts predict the party will win just 29. One forecaster recently summarised the way people predict the SNP as “That number looks high. Let’s half it.”

    That seems to be what’s happening here. Academics and journalists don’t think the SNP surge will fade before May. But they still can’t believe the party will go from winning 6 seats in 2010 to 40 or 50 in 2015. Understandably – nothing like that has ever happened before in the history of British elections.

    On the evidence that we currently have, why would we think that the SNP are likelier to get fewer than 50 seats than more than that number?
    It seems to me that the full set is becoming a realistic possibility.

    So far Ashcroft has polled 24 - that's over 40% of the total seats in Scotland. And we have the SNP ahead in 21 of them, tied in one, 1% behind in one and 7% behind in one where 10% were "others" i.e. Greens who may be easily persuaded to vote SNP.

    And this is all with discredited 2010 weighting.
    I could see them winning 58. Tactical voting will kill them in Gordon.

    ;-)
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited March 2015

    Smarmeron said:

    @Ishmael_X
    "Because he can do very, very straightforward risk/reward calculations. "

    So all the guff he spouted before the last election was just self serving spin?

    The wacky world of PB, where if a politician lies to us, we admire him for having the good sense to do so

    The wacky world of PB, where if a politician lies to us we are surprised.
    And the Media are allowed to dictate what politicians do.

    (Foolishly, there was me thinking we'd moved on from the days of Press barons and TV Execs exerting undue influence, clearly not)
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    GIN1138 said:

    Interesting question to ponder. Would the debates be happening if Coulson was still involved in the Downing St. operation?

    I think yes!

    Coulson will feature quite heavily in this campaign anyway :)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    Dair said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cognitive dissonance on the SNP:

    SNP

    But this is small fry compared to predictions for the SNP. The PSA’s experts think the party will win 3.8 to 4.7 per cent of the GB-wide vote in May. That would translate into a high-40s/mid-50s vote share in Scotland. If the SNP win that many votes, they will almost certainly win at least 40 seats, and maybe more than 50.

    No one thinks the SNP surge will fade, which would mean 40 or 50 – not 29 – seats.

    Yet the PSA’s experts predict the party will win just 29. One forecaster recently summarised the way people predict the SNP as “That number looks high. Let’s half it.”

    That seems to be what’s happening here. Academics and journalists don’t think the SNP surge will fade before May. But they still can’t believe the party will go from winning 6 seats in 2010 to 40 or 50 in 2015. Understandably – nothing like that has ever happened before in the history of British elections.

    On the evidence that we currently have, why would we think that the SNP are likelier to get fewer than 50 seats than more than that number?
    It seems to me that the full set is becoming a realistic possibility.

    So far Ashcroft has polled 24 - that's over 40% of the total seats in Scotland. And we have the SNP ahead in 21 of them, tied in one, 1% behind in one and 7% behind in one where 10% were "others" i.e. Greens who may be easily persuaded to vote SNP.

    And this is all with discredited 2010 weighting.
    I could see them winning 58. Tactical voting will kill them in Gordon.

    ;-)
    Nicola wouldn't mind that result at all ;)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2015
    This Ashcroft 8,000 poll... does the lack of much talk of it on here indicate its good for Labour & UKIP and bad for the Conservatives?

    I was out last night and so only browsed PB quickly, thought I saw 17/18% UKIP? Could be wrong
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited March 2015
    Dair said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cognitive dissonance on the SNP:

    SNP

    But this is small fry compared to predictions for the SNP. The PSA’s experts think the party will win 3.8 to 4.7 per cent of the GB-wide vote in May. That would translate into a high-40s/mid-50s vote share in Scotland. If the SNP win that many votes, they will almost certainly win at least 40 seats, and maybe more than 50.

    No one thinks the SNP surge will fade, which would mean 40 or 50 – not 29 – seats.

    Yet the PSA’s experts predict the party will win just 29. One forecaster recently summarised the way people predict the SNP as “That number looks high. Let’s half it.”

    That seems to be what’s happening here. Academics and journalists don’t think the SNP surge will fade before May. But they still can’t believe the party will go from winning 6 seats in 2010 to 40 or 50 in 2015. Understandably – nothing like that has ever happened before in the history of British elections.

    On the evidence that we currently have, why would we think that the SNP are likelier to get fewer than 50 seats than more than that number?
    It seems to me that the full set is becoming a realistic possibility.

    So far Ashcroft has polled 24 - that's over 40% of the total seats in Scotland. And we have the SNP ahead in 21 of them, tied in one, 1% behind in one and 7% behind in one where 10% were "others" i.e. Greens who may be easily persuaded to vote SNP.

    And this is all with discredited 2010 weighting.
    Yeah, for my final SNP bets, I skipped the constituencies and went straight for the 7/1 on 0-5 SLAB seats.

    That bet looks more like 6/4 to me.

    Edit: now cut to 4/1. Probably still value.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited March 2015
    They should just move the 2v2 debate to between the two leaders 7 way and make it a Finance Nominee 7 way. Swinney running rings round Balls and Osbourne would be a sight to behold.

    The 2v2 will never pass a legal challenge. It would also mean all the debates are over with 3 weeks left for the campaign.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Dair said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cognitive dissonance on the SNP:

    SNP

    But this is small fry compared to predictions for the SNP. The PSA’s experts think the party will win 3.8 to 4.7 per cent of the GB-wide vote in May. That would translate into a high-40s/mid-50s vote share in Scotland. If the SNP win that many votes, they will almost certainly win at least 40 seats, and maybe more than 50.

    No one thinks the SNP surge will fade, which would mean 40 or 50 – not 29 – seats.

    Yet the PSA’s experts predict the party will win just 29. One forecaster recently summarised the way people predict the SNP as “That number looks high. Let’s half it.”

    That seems to be what’s happening here. Academics and journalists don’t think the SNP surge will fade before May. But they still can’t believe the party will go from winning 6 seats in 2010 to 40 or 50 in 2015. Understandably – nothing like that has ever happened before in the history of British elections.

    On the evidence that we currently have, why would we think that the SNP are likelier to get fewer than 50 seats than more than that number?
    It seems to me that the full set is becoming a realistic possibility.

    So far Ashcroft has polled 24 - that's over 40% of the total seats in Scotland. And we have the SNP ahead in 21 of them, tied in one, 1% behind in one and 7% behind in one where 10% were "others" i.e. Greens who may be easily persuaded to vote SNP.

    And this is all with discredited 2010 weighting.
    I don't rule this out (and your point about the dangers of using 2010 weighting in Scotland is important, though "discredited" is slightly over-egging it). Though Orkney & Shetland is going to be a big ask for the SNP.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    edited March 2015
    isam said:

    This Ashcroft 8,000 poll... does the lack of much talk of it on here indicate its good for Labour & UKIP and bad for the Conservatives?

    I was out last night and so only browsed PB quickly, thought I saw 17/18% UKIP? Could be wrong

    1936 Con
    2193 Lab
    370 LD
    285 SNP
    28 PC
    1113 UKIP
    373 Green
    21 BNP
    42 Other
    500 WNV
    83 RTS
    1128 DK

    ABs over-represented, C2s under-represented.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    isam said:

    This Ashcroft 8,000 poll... does the lack of much talk of it on here indicate its good for Labour & UKIP and bad for the Conservatives?

    I was out last night and so only browsed PB quickly, thought I saw 17/18% UKIP? Could be wrong

    I don't know what it said. I do think Ashcroft polling is a joke, whatever it says.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Pulpstar said:

    Dair said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cognitive dissonance on the SNP:

    SNP

    But this is small fry compared to predictions for the SNP. The PSA’s experts think the party will win 3.8 to 4.7 per cent of the GB-wide vote in May. That would translate into a high-40s/mid-50s vote share in Scotland. If the SNP win that many votes, they will almost certainly win at least 40 seats, and maybe more than 50.

    No one thinks the SNP surge will fade, which would mean 40 or 50 – not 29 – seats.

    Yet the PSA’s experts predict the party will win just 29. One forecaster recently summarised the way people predict the SNP as “That number looks high. Let’s half it.”

    That seems to be what’s happening here. Academics and journalists don’t think the SNP surge will fade before May. But they still can’t believe the party will go from winning 6 seats in 2010 to 40 or 50 in 2015. Understandably – nothing like that has ever happened before in the history of British elections.

    On the evidence that we currently have, why would we think that the SNP are likelier to get fewer than 50 seats than more than that number?
    It seems to me that the full set is becoming a realistic possibility.

    So far Ashcroft has polled 24 - that's over 40% of the total seats in Scotland. And we have the SNP ahead in 21 of them, tied in one, 1% behind in one and 7% behind in one where 10% were "others" i.e. Greens who may be easily persuaded to vote SNP.

    And this is all with discredited 2010 weighting.
    I could see them winning 58. Tactical voting will kill them in Gordon.

    ;-)
    Nicola wouldn't mind that result at all ;)
    You don't think Eck would love the idea of the "martyr that took on the Unionist attack while everyone else made it" role ?
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    This Ashcroft 8,000 poll... does the lack of much talk of it on here indicate its good for Labour & UKIP and bad for the Conservatives?

    I was out last night and so only browsed PB quickly, thought I saw 17/18% UKIP? Could be wrong

    1936 Con
    2193 Lab
    370 LD
    285 SNP
    28 PC
    1113 UKIP
    373 Green
    21 BNP
    42 Other
    500 WNV
    83 RTS
    1128 DK

    ABs over-represented, C2s under-represented.
    Got headline numbers for that lot?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Margaret Curran on News24 told the message #VoteSNPGetTory isn't working "well I think the message is starting to get across when I'm out on the doorstep".

    What a joke.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Dair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Dair said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cognitive dissonance on the SNP:

    SNP

    But this is small fry compared to predictions for the SNP. The PSA’s experts think the party will win 3.8 to 4.7 per cent of the GB-wide vote in May. That would translate into a high-40s/mid-50s vote share in Scotland. If the SNP win that many votes, they will almost certainly win at least 40 seats, and maybe more than 50.

    No one thinks the SNP surge will fade, which would mean 40 or 50 – not 29 – seats.

    Yet the PSA’s experts predict the party will win just 29. One forecaster recently summarised the way people predict the SNP as “That number looks high. Let’s half it.”

    That seems to be what’s happening here. Academics and journalists don’t think the SNP surge will fade before May. But they still can’t believe the party will go from winning 6 seats in 2010 to 40 or 50 in 2015. Understandably – nothing like that has ever happened before in the history of British elections.

    On the evidence that we currently have, why would we think that the SNP are likelier to get fewer than 50 seats than more than that number?
    It seems to me that the full set is becoming a realistic possibility.

    So far Ashcroft has polled 24 - that's over 40% of the total seats in Scotland. And we have the SNP ahead in 21 of them, tied in one, 1% behind in one and 7% behind in one where 10% were "others" i.e. Greens who may be easily persuaded to vote SNP.

    And this is all with discredited 2010 weighting.
    I could see them winning 58. Tactical voting will kill them in Gordon.

    ;-)
    Nicola wouldn't mind that result at all ;)
    You don't think Eck would love the idea of the "martyr that took on the Unionist attack while everyone else made it" role ?
    Heh Salmond will get in ;p
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    edited March 2015
    Ishmael_X said:

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    This Ashcroft 8,000 poll... does the lack of much talk of it on here indicate its good for Labour & UKIP and bad for the Conservatives?

    I was out last night and so only browsed PB quickly, thought I saw 17/18% UKIP? Could be wrong

    1936 Con
    2193 Lab
    370 LD
    285 SNP
    28 PC
    1113 UKIP
    373 Green
    21 BNP
    42 Other
    500 WNV
    83 RTS
    1128 DK

    ABs over-represented, C2s under-represented.
    Got headline numbers for that lot?
    None are provided but we can give it a go to work out...

    Unweighted is

    Con 1986
    Lab 2088
    LD 384
    UKIP 1132
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Dair said:

    They should just move the 2v2 debate to between the two leaders 7 way and make it a Finance Nominee 7 way. Swinney running rings round Balls and Osbourne would be a sight to behold.

    The 2v2 will never pass a legal challenge. It would also mean all the debates are over with 3 weeks left for the campaign.

    More likely Swinney gets strung up by the Balls and dissected by the Osbornes.

    The man's a financial illiterate and that's against some weak opposition.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pong said:

    Dair said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cognitive dissonance on the SNP:

    SNP

    But this is small fry compared to predictions for the SNP. The PSA’s experts think the party will win 3.8 to 4.7 per cent of the GB-wide vote in May. That would translate into a high-40s/mid-50s vote share in Scotland. If the SNP win that many votes, they will almost certainly win at least 40 seats, and maybe more than 50.

    No one thinks the SNP surge will fade, which would mean 40 or 50 – not 29 – seats.

    Yet the PSA’s experts predict the party will win just 29. One forecaster recently summarised the way people predict the SNP as “That number looks high. Let’s half it.”

    That seems to be what’s happening here. Academics and journalists don’t think the SNP surge will fade before May. But they still can’t believe the party will go from winning 6 seats in 2010 to 40 or 50 in 2015. Understandably – nothing like that has ever happened before in the history of British elections.

    On the evidence that we currently have, why would we think that the SNP are likelier to get fewer than 50 seats than more than that number?
    It seems to me that the full set is becoming a realistic possibility.

    So far Ashcroft has polled 24 - that's over 40% of the total seats in Scotland. And we have the SNP ahead in 21 of them, tied in one, 1% behind in one and 7% behind in one where 10% were "others" i.e. Greens who may be easily persuaded to vote SNP.

    And this is all with discredited 2010 weighting.
    Yeah, for my final SNP bets, I skipped the constituencies and went straight for the 7/1 on 0-5 SLAB seats.

    That bet looks more like 6/4 to me.

    Edit: now cut to 4/1. Probably still value.
    I got on that at 40 to 1. Someone on here got on at 120 to 1.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Ishmael_X said:

    isam said:

    This Ashcroft 8,000 poll... does the lack of much talk of it on here indicate its good for Labour & UKIP and bad for the Conservatives?

    I was out last night and so only browsed PB quickly, thought I saw 17/18% UKIP? Could be wrong

    I don't know what it said. I do think Ashcroft polling is a joke, whatever it says.
    Difficult to say as Ashcroft hasn't applied his usual turnout and spiral of silence stuff to it.

    It looks fairly consistent with a 0-1% Labour lead [i.e. in line with the industry during the fieldwork period], and I would say it is relatively good for UKIP and poor for LD.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    This Ashcroft 8,000 poll... does the lack of much talk of it on here indicate its good for Labour & UKIP and bad for the Conservatives?

    I was out last night and so only browsed PB quickly, thought I saw 17/18% UKIP? Could be wrong

    1936 Con
    2193 Lab
    370 LD
    285 SNP
    28 PC
    1113 UKIP
    373 Green
    21 BNP
    42 Other
    500 WNV
    83 RTS
    1128 DK

    ABs over-represented, C2s under-represented.
    370 LD
    285 SNP

    Says it all really.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,975
    edited March 2015
    OT. For the first time today I heard something positive about UKIP. Their first MP Douglas Carswell's father was the person Dr Nicolas Carrigan played by James Macavoy in the film 'The Last King of Scotland' was based on. I never read the book but thought it an excellent film and apparently quite an accurate portrayal of Carswell senior so clearly junior will have inherited a few good genes.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    They should just move the 2v2 debate to between the two leaders 7 way and make it a Finance Nominee 7 way. Swinney running rings round Balls and Osbourne would be a sight to behold.

    The 2v2 will never pass a legal challenge. It would also mean all the debates are over with 3 weeks left for the campaign.

    More likely Swinney gets strung up by the Balls and dissected by the Osbornes.

    The man's a financial illiterate and that's against some weak opposition.
    For 8 years he's produced a Balanced Budget AND public appreciation for the government has stayed incredibly high. No electioral sweeties, no segmented bribes. But still very popular, services rated well.

    But hey, someone calling him a financial illiterate on a message board is meaningful.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    edited March 2015
    Roger said:

    OT. For the first time today I heard something positive about UKIP. Their first MP Douglas Carswell's father was the person Dr Nicolas Carrigan played by James Macavoy in the film 'The Last King of Scotland' was based on. I never read the book but thought it an excellent film and quite an accurate portrayal so clearly Carswell will have inherited a few good genes.

    Is that true, I thought he was based on this chap

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Astles

    PS - I've heard nothing but good stuff about Douglas Carswell's father, some of his work, saved many lives.

    Edit: Just had a google, and you are right.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    They should just move the 2v2 debate to between the two leaders 7 way and make it a Finance Nominee 7 way. Swinney running rings round Balls and Osbourne would be a sight to behold.

    The 2v2 will never pass a legal challenge. It would also mean all the debates are over with 3 weeks left for the campaign.

    More likely Swinney gets strung up by the Balls and dissected by the Osbornes.

    The man's a financial illiterate and that's against some weak opposition.
    For 8 years he's produced a Balanced Budget AND public appreciation for the government has stayed incredibly high. No electioral sweeties, no segmented bribes. But still very popular, services rated well.

    But hey, someone calling him a financial illiterate on a message board is meaningful.
    As meaningful as basing a country's future on a fictitious oil price.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,712
    edited March 2015
    Ms Cyclefree I've had an electric "power-assist" bike for 8-9 years. Very useful for a senior citizen in an area with a few sharp, if short, hills.
    Sadly balance is a bit dodgy now so haven't got the same degree of confidence.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Dair said:

    For 8 years he's produced a Balanced Budget

    He can't legally do anything else.

    Apart from the mahoosive underspend obviously
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    I'm applying a 7 out of 10 vote filter to the weighted Ashcroft numbers based off his last poll...
  • Dair said:

    They should just move the 2v2 debate to between the two leaders 7 way and make it a Finance Nominee 7 way. Swinney running rings round Balls and Osbourne would be a sight to behold.

    The 2v2 will never pass a legal challenge. It would also mean all the debates are over with 3 weeks left for the campaign.

    More likely Swinney gets strung up by the Balls and dissected by the Osbornes.

    The man's a financial illiterate and that's against some weak opposition.
    You've said something nice about Ozzy.

    Where is the real Alanbrooke and what have you done with him?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Roger said:

    OT. For the first time today I heard something positive about UKIP. Their first MP Douglas Carswell's father was the person Dr Nicolas Carrigan played by James Macavoy in the film 'The Last King of Scotland' was based on. I never read the book but thought it an excellent film and quite an accurate portrayal so clearly Carswell will have inherited a few good genes.

    Rumblings in the UKIP ranks he's a Sweaty and not a pure bred Englishman.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2015
    Ishmael_X said:

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    This Ashcroft 8,000 poll... does the lack of much talk of it on here indicate its good for Labour & UKIP and bad for the Conservatives?

    I was out last night and so only browsed PB quickly, thought I saw 17/18% UKIP? Could be wrong

    1936 Con
    2193 Lab
    370 LD
    285 SNP
    28 PC
    1113 UKIP
    373 Green
    21 BNP
    42 Other
    500 WNV
    83 RTS
    1128 DK

    ABs over-represented, C2s under-represented.
    Got headline numbers for that lot?
    0.304 Con
    0.345 Lab
    0.058 LD
    0.045 SNP
    0.004 PC
    0.175 UKIP
    0.059 Green
    0.003 BNP
    0.007 Other

    That's just ignoring Others/DNV etc

    Yeah good for Labour & UKIP, makes sense

    Green LD SNP etc same as they are usually
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    Dair said:

    They should just move the 2v2 debate to between the two leaders 7 way and make it a Finance Nominee 7 way. Swinney running rings round Balls and Osbourne would be a sight to behold.

    The 2v2 will never pass a legal challenge. It would also mean all the debates are over with 3 weeks left for the campaign.

    More likely Swinney gets strung up by the Balls and dissected by the Osbornes.

    The man's a financial illiterate and that's against some weak opposition.
    You've said something nice about Ozzy.

    Where is the real Alanbrooke and what have you done with him?
    Even on the Brookometre GO ranks ahead of Balls and Swinney's somewhere behind Puff the Magic Dragon
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MichaelPDeacon: TV DEBATES LATEST: Ed Miliband agrees to debate himself. http://t.co/dXPB1Q2Ovl http://t.co/1Zlm701aSH
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Pulpstar etc

    Interesting facts about oor Eck. UHe has never lost a constituency election and always increased his majority in every one. In Aberdeenshire East in 2011 he got 65 per cent of the vote in a seat which is at least half of the Gordon Westminster seat. Salmond is going in by a landslide ie at least 50 per cent of the vote.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited March 2015

    Ms Cyclefree I've had an electric "power-assist" bike for 8-9 years. Very useful for a senior citizen in an area with a few sharp, if short, hills.
    Sadly balance is a bit dodgy now so haven't got the same degree of confidence.

    When my balance went completely kaput following an ear operation, the otologist prescribed me a wii fit + balance board + snowboarding game.

    Half an hour every morning.

    Remarkably, it worked. £40 or so off gumtree IIRC. Might be worth trying - if it doesn't work, you can always flog it on for around the same price.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    edited March 2015
    Applying a 7 out of 10 weighting adjustment which equates to a 66% turnout taking UKIP, LD, CON, LAB as 86% of the vote, I get the following:

    Con 31
    Lab 32
    UKIP 16
    Lib Dem 7

    30.8
    32.4
    16.3
    6.5

    Pre 1 dp ;)

    If you apply Don't know/spiral of silence adjustments then its probably

    Con 32
    Lab 32
    UKIP 14
    Lib Dem 9

    Something along those lines.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,712
    Pong said:

    Ms Cyclefree I've had an electric "power-assist" bike for 8-9 years. Very useful for a senior citizen in an area with a few sharp, if short, hills.
    Sadly balance is a bit dodgy now so haven't got the same degree of confidence.

    When my balance went completely kaput following an ear operation, the otologist prescribed me a wii fit + balance board + snowboarding game.

    Half an hour every morning.

    Remarkably, it worked. £40 or so off gumtree IIRC. Might be worth trying - if it doesn't work, you can always flog it on for around the same price.
    Interesting thought, Mr P. Weather's improving now, too!
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    Roger said:

    OT. For the first time today I heard something positive about UKIP. Their first MP Douglas Carswell's father was the person Dr Nicolas Carrigan played by James Macavoy in the film 'The Last King of Scotland' was based on. I never read the book but thought it an excellent film and apparently quite an accurate portrayal of Carswell senior so clearly junior will have inherited a few good genes.

    Yeah, I heard that as well.

    I really liked Carswell. Very conflicted thoughts about what he did.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    scotslass said:

    Pulpstar etc

    Interesting facts about oor Eck. UHe has never lost a constituency election and always increased his majority in every one. In Aberdeenshire East in 2011 he got 65 per cent of the vote in a seat which is at least half of the Gordon Westminster seat. Salmond is going in by a landslide ie at least 50 per cent of the vote.

    Interesting is he can play the ukulele or can pull his upper lip over his head. That's just spin.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    edited March 2015
    I think Cowardly Cameron will turn up if the broadcasters stick to their 3 debate plan but offer Clegg the empty chair where Cameron refuses it.

    Lets have one debate with at least 7 parties before the manifestos are out sums up Cowardly Cameron,

    Those PB Tories who defend his behaviour should be ashamed.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    I think Cowardly Cameron will turn up if the broadcasters stick to their 3 debate plan but offer Clegg the empty chair where Cameron refuses it.

    Lets have one debate with at least 7 parties before the manifestos are out sums up Cowardly Cameron,

    Those PB Tories who defend his behaviour should be ashamed.

    Always good to have the view from the kebab shop.
  • Dair said:

    They should just move the 2v2 debate to between the two leaders 7 way and make it a Finance Nominee 7 way. Swinney running rings round Balls and Osbourne would be a sight to behold.

    The 2v2 will never pass a legal challenge. It would also mean all the debates are over with 3 weeks left for the campaign.

    More likely Swinney gets strung up by the Balls and dissected by the Osbornes.

    The man's a financial illiterate and that's against some weak opposition.
    You've said something nice about Ozzy.

    Where is the real Alanbrooke and what have you done with him?
    Even on the Brookometre GO ranks ahead of Balls and Swinney's somewhere behind Puff the Magic Dragon
    So I reckon the Tory slogan of vote Tory or You'll get SNP a coalition in Westminster might work on you.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    First Saturday ARSE 2015 General Election with added APLOMB & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    40 hours 40 minutes 40 seconds
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    There is a precedent for a man losing an argument with an empty chair.

    Mr. K, good to see you on. I had just left when, some days ago, you asked what my pen name was. It's Thaddeus White:
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Thaddeus-White/e/B008C6RU98/
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    BJO..Would he be as cowardly as Blair then...who just ignored the debates because it was not in his interests.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @bigjohnowls

    'I think Cowardly Cameron will turn up if the broadcasters stick to their 3 debate plan but offer Clegg the empty chair where Cameron refuses it.'

    So just like the Cowardly Blair that chickened out of the TV debates, the PB Kinnocks should be ashamed.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    I think Cowardly Cameron will turn up if the broadcasters stick to their 3 debate plan but offer Clegg the empty chair where Cameron refuses it.

    Lets have one debate with at least 7 parties before the manifestos are out sums up Cowardly Cameron,

    Those PB Tories who defend his behaviour should be ashamed.

    Always good to have the view from the kebab shop.
    Oh you are the one who said
    "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you" aren't you.

    So i was already aware that Camerons behaviour would be OK by you.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    JackW said:

    First Saturday ARSE 2015 General Election with added APLOMB & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    40 hours 40 minutes 40 seconds

    No chance Cowardly Cameron wriggling his way out of your ARSE then?

  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,975
    Scot n'

    "Ed Miliband agrees to debate himself"

    Well I saw it done in Amsterdam once but that involved a girl as well.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @JackW
    Be careful your ARSE doesn't leak Jack? It seems to be an affliction you blues are prone to.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    Dair said:

    They should just move the 2v2 debate to between the two leaders 7 way and make it a Finance Nominee 7 way. Swinney running rings round Balls and Osbourne would be a sight to behold.

    The 2v2 will never pass a legal challenge. It would also mean all the debates are over with 3 weeks left for the campaign.

    More likely Swinney gets strung up by the Balls and dissected by the Osbornes.

    The man's a financial illiterate and that's against some weak opposition.
    You've said something nice about Ozzy.

    Where is the real Alanbrooke and what have you done with him?
    Even on the Brookometre GO ranks ahead of Balls and Swinney's somewhere behind Puff the Magic Dragon
    So I reckon the Tory slogan of vote Tory or You'll get SNP a coalition in Westminster might work on you.
    That's probably about one of the few things could make me think about it.

    But then again the Nats and Labour together could just be one of the best bits of entertainment in ages like the Thick of It only better.


  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited March 2015
    Off topic: India has f*cked-up big time banning that interview with the racist, and then threatening to sue the BBC for showing it in the UK. Spattered all over the news, all over the world.

    Out Streisand-effecting Streisand by a large margin.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    edited March 2015

    I think Cowardly Cameron will turn up if the broadcasters stick to their 3 debate plan but offer Clegg the empty chair where Cameron refuses it.

    Lets have one debate with at least 7 parties before the manifestos are out sums up Cowardly Cameron,

    Those PB Tories who defend his behaviour should be ashamed.

    Always good to have the view from the kebab shop.
    Oh you are the one who said
    "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you" aren't you.

    So i was already aware that Camerons behaviour would be OK by you.
    His behaviour's not that much different than Ed's. I just don't have your blindspot to my own side, nor do I try to take the moral high ground while standing in a swamp.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    GIN1138 said:

    JackW said:

    First Saturday ARSE 2015 General Election with added APLOMB & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    40 hours 40 minutes 40 seconds

    No chance Cowardly Cameron wriggling his way out of your ARSE then?

    I think it anatomically and politically unlikely as he's seems to be more concerned presently with solitary master debating.

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Anorak
    Not wanting to be a nitpicker, but "the racist" should really be the rapist?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    I think Cowardly Cameron will turn up if the broadcasters stick to their 3 debate plan but offer Clegg the empty chair where Cameron refuses it.

    Lets have one debate with at least 7 parties before the manifestos are out sums up Cowardly Cameron,

    Those PB Tories who defend his behaviour should be ashamed.

    Always good to have the view from the kebab shop.
    Oh you are the one who said
    "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you" aren't you.

    So i was already aware that Camerons behaviour would be OK by you.
    His behaviour's not that much different than Ed's. I just don't have your blindspot to my own side, nor do I try to take the moral high ground while standing in a swamp.
    But you do think its OK to use phrases such as "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you"

    Which makes your views worthless to me.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    OK, so is Lord Ashcroft (or anyone else) going to do any more Scottish constituency polls?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    edited March 2015
    Struggling with tonight's YouGov prediction.

    May need a few VAT's before the mist's clear enough to come up with a guess. :dizzy:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    It's just occurred to me - if a Labour minority gets in with Ed propped up by Nicola then both the Labour and Conservatives could utterly tear themselves apart in the next 5 years.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    Dair said:

    They should just move the 2v2 debate to between the two leaders 7 way and make it a Finance Nominee 7 way. Swinney running rings round Balls and Osbourne would be a sight to behold.

    The 2v2 will never pass a legal challenge. It would also mean all the debates are over with 3 weeks left for the campaign.

    More likely Swinney gets strung up by the Balls and dissected by the Osbornes.

    The man's a financial illiterate and that's against some weak opposition.
    You've said something nice about Ozzy.

    Where is the real Alanbrooke and what have you done with him?
    Even on the Brookometre GO ranks ahead of Balls and Swinney's somewhere behind Puff the Magic Dragon
    So I reckon the Tory slogan of vote Tory or You'll get SNP a coalition in Westminster might work on you.
    That's probably about one of the few things could make me think about it.

    But then again the Nats and Labour together could just be one of the best bits of entertainment in ages like the Thick of It only better.


    One is a 30 minute entertainment.

    The other is potentially a five year horror show. Ed's fun value would be close to zero after a week. After a month...a year? It's not worth a life-time of being on blood pressure meds.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    I think Cowardly Cameron will turn up if the broadcasters stick to their 3 debate plan but offer Clegg the empty chair where Cameron refuses it.

    Lets have one debate with at least 7 parties before the manifestos are out sums up Cowardly Cameron,

    Those PB Tories who defend his behaviour should be ashamed.

    Always good to have the view from the kebab shop.
    Oh you are the one who said
    "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you" aren't you.

    So i was already aware that Camerons behaviour would be OK by you.
    His behaviour's not that much different than Ed's. I just don't have your blindspot to my own side, nor do I try to take the moral high ground while standing in a swamp.
    But you do think its OK to use phrases such as "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you"

    Which makes your views worthless to me.
    How are the prosecutions going ?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    edited March 2015
    Smarmeron said:

    @JackW
    Be careful your ARSE doesn't leak Jack? It seems to be an affliction you blues are prone to.

    I'm a Coalitionista and not one of "you blues" and may I also correct you further that my ARSE has not suffered a leak since Gordon Brown's tenure as Prime Minister when the whole nation got the sh*ts.

  • Dair said:

    They should just move the 2v2 debate to between the two leaders 7 way and make it a Finance Nominee 7 way. Swinney running rings round Balls and Osbourne would be a sight to behold.

    The 2v2 will never pass a legal challenge. It would also mean all the debates are over with 3 weeks left for the campaign.

    More likely Swinney gets strung up by the Balls and dissected by the Osbornes.

    The man's a financial illiterate and that's against some weak opposition.
    You've said something nice about Ozzy.

    Where is the real Alanbrooke and what have you done with him?
    Even on the Brookometre GO ranks ahead of Balls and Swinney's somewhere behind Puff the Magic Dragon
    So I reckon the Tory slogan of vote Tory or You'll get SNP a coalition in Westminster might work on you.
    That's probably about one of the few things could make me think about it.

    But then again the Nats and Labour together could just be one of the best bits of entertainment in ages like the Thick of It only better.


    I don't think the country can afford to pay for that comedy.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    GIN1138 said:

    Struggling with tonight's YouGov prediction.

    May need a few VAT's before the mist's clear enough to come up with a guess. :dizzy:

    Come on GIN we need to know if only for a bit of fun.

    Uncannily accurate which is worrying because i believe you are more of an EWNBPM man than an EICIPM man.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    antifrank said:

    OK, so is Lord Ashcroft (or anyone else) going to do any more Scottish constituency polls?

    I can't see Alan Bown investing north of the border. Maybe if things get really bad [which of course they already are] UNITE will sponsor a few...

    More seriously, I'd expect someone to pay for Jim Murphy and Alex Salmond's seats to be re-polled at some stage. Whether we get any new constituencies - no idea. Berwickshire etc., Rutherglen, Glenrothes would all be welcome.
  • antifrank said:

    OK, so is Lord Ashcroft (or anyone else) going to do any more Scottish constituency polls?

    He may do so, others are, but whether they publish those polls is another matter.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    Dair said:

    They should just move the 2v2 debate to between the two leaders 7 way and make it a Finance Nominee 7 way. Swinney running rings round Balls and Osbourne would be a sight to behold.

    The 2v2 will never pass a legal challenge. It would also mean all the debates are over with 3 weeks left for the campaign.

    More likely Swinney gets strung up by the Balls and dissected by the Osbornes.

    The man's a financial illiterate and that's against some weak opposition.
    You've said something nice about Ozzy.

    Where is the real Alanbrooke and what have you done with him?
    Even on the Brookometre GO ranks ahead of Balls and Swinney's somewhere behind Puff the Magic Dragon
    So I reckon the Tory slogan of vote Tory or You'll get SNP a coalition in Westminster might work on you.
    That's probably about one of the few things could make me think about it.

    But then again the Nats and Labour together could just be one of the best bits of entertainment in ages like the Thick of It only better.


    I don't think the country can afford to pay for that comedy.
    Oh don't be ridiculous Eagles, we're burning about £200million a day, we'll have spent Eurostar by Sunday, what's afford got to do with it ?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    Dair said:

    They should just move the 2v2 debate to between the two leaders 7 way and make it a Finance Nominee 7 way. Swinney running rings round Balls and Osbourne would be a sight to behold.

    The 2v2 will never pass a legal challenge. It would also mean all the debates are over with 3 weeks left for the campaign.

    More likely Swinney gets strung up by the Balls and dissected by the Osbornes.

    The man's a financial illiterate and that's against some weak opposition.
    You've said something nice about Ozzy.

    Where is the real Alanbrooke and what have you done with him?
    Even on the Brookometre GO ranks ahead of Balls and Swinney's somewhere behind Puff the Magic Dragon
    So I reckon the Tory slogan of vote Tory or You'll get SNP a coalition in Westminster might work on you.
    That's probably about one of the few things could make me think about it.

    But then again the Nats and Labour together could just be one of the best bits of entertainment in ages like the Thick of It only better.


    One is a 30 minute entertainment.

    The other is potentially a five year horror show. Ed's fun value would be close to zero after a week. After a month...a year? It's not worth a life-time of being on blood pressure meds.
    Scary Ed doesn't really work.

    Some decent policies might.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Dair said:

    They should just move the 2v2 debate to between the two leaders 7 way and make it a Finance Nominee 7 way. Swinney running rings round Balls and Osbourne would be a sight to behold.

    The 2v2 will never pass a legal challenge. It would also mean all the debates are over with 3 weeks left for the campaign.

    More likely Swinney gets strung up by the Balls and dissected by the Osbornes.

    The man's a financial illiterate and that's against some weak opposition.
    You've said something nice about Ozzy.

    Where is the real Alanbrooke and what have you done with him?
    Even on the Brookometre GO ranks ahead of Balls and Swinney's somewhere behind Puff the Magic Dragon
    So I reckon the Tory slogan of vote Tory or You'll get SNP a coalition in Westminster might work on you.
    The point is that people are voting SNP to put a range of extreme lefty MPs in Westminster. Assuming the SNP really do gain all the seats being projected then the SNP want to press the sort of extreme lefty policies onto a Labour minority govt. On top of this the SNP will find endless reasons to vote on English only matters. Will English voters sleepwalk into letting this happen?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041
    JackW said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @JackW
    Be careful your ARSE doesn't leak Jack? It seems to be an affliction you blues are prone to.

    I'm a Coalitionista and not one of "you blues" and may I also correct you further that my ARSE has not suffered a leak since Gordon Brown's tenure as Prime Minister when the whole nation got the sh*ts.

    So, mixing blue an yellow makes you a Greenie!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133
    Nice cartoon, Marf!
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Flightpath
    It doesn't matter if the MP's Scotland votes in are SNP, Labour, or the Martian Colonists Party.
    They will be legally elected representatives to the UK parliament.
    If you don't like our constitution, write one.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672

    Dair said:

    They should just move the 2v2 debate to between the two leaders 7 way and make it a Finance Nominee 7 way. Swinney running rings round Balls and Osbourne would be a sight to behold.

    The 2v2 will never pass a legal challenge. It would also mean all the debates are over with 3 weeks left for the campaign.

    More likely Swinney gets strung up by the Balls and dissected by the Osbornes.

    The man's a financial illiterate and that's against some weak opposition.
    You've said something nice about Ozzy.

    Where is the real Alanbrooke and what have you done with him?
    Even on the Brookometre GO ranks ahead of Balls and Swinney's somewhere behind Puff the Magic Dragon
    So I reckon the Tory slogan of vote Tory or You'll get SNP a coalition in Westminster might work on you.
    The point is that people are voting SNP to put a range of extreme lefty MPs in Westminster. Assuming the SNP really do gain all the seats being projected then the SNP want to press the sort of extreme lefty policies onto a Labour minority govt. On top of this the SNP will find endless reasons to vote on English only matters. Will English voters sleepwalk into letting this happen?

    If the Tories and Labour are close on seats with the SNP cleaning up in Scotland why wouldn't there be very quick Commons approval of EV4EL?

  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    I think Cowardly Cameron will turn up if the broadcasters stick to their 3 debate plan but offer Clegg the empty chair where Cameron refuses it.

    Lets have one debate with at least 7 parties before the manifestos are out sums up Cowardly Cameron,

    Those PB Tories who defend his behaviour should be ashamed.

    Always good to have the view from the kebab shop.
    Oh you are the one who said
    "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you" aren't you.

    So i was already aware that Camerons behaviour would be OK by you.
    His behaviour's not that much different than Ed's. I just don't have your blindspot to my own side, nor do I try to take the moral high ground while standing in a swamp.
    But you do think its OK to use phrases such as "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you"

    Which makes your views worthless to me.
    "You knew, and you did f*** all" applies to the Labour council and local MP's such as McShane as it does to SY plod.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @nigel4england
    From a basic reading, it also applied to the Thatcher Government as well.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    If the SNP get a landslide victory in Scotland then there'd be no point in Labour trying to run a minority government as if they're 50 odd seats off a majority, the only way they could realistically pass anything would be through the SNP. It'd have to be a Labour/SNP coalition.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Mr Farage's Loose Women outing is now on ITV.com.

    http://www.itv.com/loosewomen/the-most-hated-man-in-britain
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    I think Cowardly Cameron will turn up if the broadcasters stick to their 3 debate plan but offer Clegg the empty chair where Cameron refuses it.

    Lets have one debate with at least 7 parties before the manifestos are out sums up Cowardly Cameron,

    Those PB Tories who defend his behaviour should be ashamed.

    Always good to have the view from the kebab shop.
    Oh you are the one who said
    "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you" aren't you.

    So i was already aware that Camerons behaviour would be OK by you.
    His behaviour's not that much different than Ed's. I just don't have your blindspot to my own side, nor do I try to take the moral high ground while standing in a swamp.
    But you do think its OK to use phrases such as "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you"

    Which makes your views worthless to me.
    "You knew, and you did f*** all" applies to the Labour council and local MP's such as McShane as it does to SY plod.
    What do they say about bad pennies
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133
    edited March 2015
    Ishmael_X said:

    JWisemann said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MikeK said:

    FPT.

    Hi all. Back in Blighty again after a brief break. Anything happened while I was away? ;)

    Scottish Labour facing slaughter, brave Sir Dave running away from the debates. UKIP appearing to come out of hibernation. Lib Dems looking screwed, except where they aren't.
    You forgot crossover.
    Maybe because it didn't happen, unless you exclude all the labour leads.
    http://may2015.com/

    Tories currently 1 point ahead - 5 day weighted av. poll of polls. New Statesman website.
    Part-ELBOW of the five polls so far this week suggests Tories only 0.7% ahead
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    I think Cowardly Cameron will turn up if the broadcasters stick to their 3 debate plan but offer Clegg the empty chair where Cameron refuses it.

    Lets have one debate with at least 7 parties before the manifestos are out sums up Cowardly Cameron,

    Those PB Tories who defend his behaviour should be ashamed.

    Always good to have the view from the kebab shop.
    Oh you are the one who said
    "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you" aren't you.

    So i was already aware that Camerons behaviour would be OK by you.
    His behaviour's not that much different than Ed's. I just don't have your blindspot to my own side, nor do I try to take the moral high ground while standing in a swamp.
    But you do think its OK to use phrases such as "Yeah, the party that gets your kids raped in front of you"

    Which makes your views worthless to me.
    "You knew, and you did f*** all" applies to the Labour council and local MP's such as McShane as it does to SY plod.
    What do they say about bad pennies
    truth hurt does it? Read what Mcshane had to say about it.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Smarmeron said:

    @nigel4england
    From a basic reading, it also applied to the Thatcher Government as well.

    Yep, and Blair and plenty more
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133
    GIN1138 said:

    Struggling with tonight's YouGov prediction.

    May need a few VAT's before the mist's clear enough to come up with a guess. :dizzy:

    Another tie?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    Artist said:

    If the SNP get a landslide victory in Scotland then there'd be no point in Labour trying to run a minority government as if they're 50 odd seats off a majority, the only way they could realistically pass anything would be through the SNP. It'd have to be a Labour/SNP coalition.

    They'd get EV4EL through and would then be in a position to govern. The one problem would be the budget, but the SNP would have to vote with the Tories for that not to pass.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Without the EU fallopian tubes will wither and ovaries will explode.

    I exaggerate, but only a little:

    "Across in the House of Lords a debate is ongoing over how women's economic empowerment might be affected if the UK were to leave the EU. Baroness Crawley - the former chairwoman of the Women's National Commission, and now Labour peer, warns that "Farage is a feminist issue". She argues that leaving the EU would hurt women's economic empowerment. "The EU is not only the UK's largest economic market, it's also the union that helped establish standards for working men and women for their rights at work," she tells peers. "I would not want to see women in the UK miss out on future rights for work by leaving the European Union.""

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-31735291
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    Artist said:

    If the SNP get a landslide victory in Scotland then there'd be no point in Labour trying to run a minority government as if they're 50 odd seats off a majority, the only way they could realistically pass anything would be through the SNP. It'd have to be a Labour/SNP coalition.

    They'd get EV4EL through and would then be in a position to govern. The one problem would be the budget, but the SNP would have to vote with the Tories for that not to pass.

    That's all very well if Labour are ahead on seats but if they're a couple behind... well...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    Ishmael_X said:

    JWisemann said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MikeK said:

    FPT.

    Hi all. Back in Blighty again after a brief break. Anything happened while I was away? ;)

    Scottish Labour facing slaughter, brave Sir Dave running away from the debates. UKIP appearing to come out of hibernation. Lib Dems looking screwed, except where they aren't.
    You forgot crossover.
    Maybe because it didn't happen, unless you exclude all the labour leads.
    http://may2015.com/

    Tories currently 1 point ahead - 5 day weighted av. poll of polls. New Statesman website.
    Part-ELBOW of the five polls so far this week suggests Tories only 0.7% ahead
    Are you going to include the 8k megapoll ?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133
    edited March 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    JWisemann said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MikeK said:

    FPT.

    Hi all. Back in Blighty again after a brief break. Anything happened while I was away? ;)

    Scottish Labour facing slaughter, brave Sir Dave running away from the debates. UKIP appearing to come out of hibernation. Lib Dems looking screwed, except where they aren't.
    You forgot crossover.
    Maybe because it didn't happen, unless you exclude all the labour leads.
    http://may2015.com/

    Tories currently 1 point ahead - 5 day weighted av. poll of polls. New Statesman website.
    Part-ELBOW of the five polls so far this week suggests Tories only 0.7% ahead
    Are you going to include the 8k megapoll ?
    Fieldwork was 20-27th Feb so belongs with last week's (and month's) data. Still not sure whether this is a proper VI poll as there isn't a table amongst the 62 tables(!) in that PDF for final published VI.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @JackW
    Be careful your ARSE doesn't leak Jack? It seems to be an affliction you blues are prone to.

    I'm a Coalitionista and not one of "you blues" and may I also correct you further that my ARSE has not suffered a leak since Gordon Brown's tenure as Prime Minister when the whole nation got the sh*ts.

    So, mixing blue an yellow makes you a Greenie!
    I consider that "Greenie" comment verges on the defam-a-tory

    Roll out the huskies Jeeves.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Pulpstar said:

    Artist said:

    If the SNP get a landslide victory in Scotland then there'd be no point in Labour trying to run a minority government as if they're 50 odd seats off a majority, the only way they could realistically pass anything would be through the SNP. It'd have to be a Labour/SNP coalition.

    They'd get EV4EL through and would then be in a position to govern. The one problem would be the budget, but the SNP would have to vote with the Tories for that not to pass.

    That's all very well if Labour are ahead on seats but if they're a couple behind... well...
    Labour could lead a minority government with far fewer seats than the Conservatives. They did so in 1924 after the December 1923 election, where they got 191 seats against the Conservatives' 258.

    If Lab+SNP is ahead of the Conservatives, that is what I expect to happen, even if Labour are on c250 and the Conservatives are on c290.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Now THAT's a bar chart...

    @ScotTories: Lib Dem vote has collapsed. Only the Scottish Conservatives can keep Ed Miliband out of No10 and stand up to the SNP. http://t.co/8zKxTKQETb

    Winning here :-)
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    Pulpstar said:

    Artist said:

    If the SNP get a landslide victory in Scotland then there'd be no point in Labour trying to run a minority government as if they're 50 odd seats off a majority, the only way they could realistically pass anything would be through the SNP. It'd have to be a Labour/SNP coalition.

    They'd get EV4EL through and would then be in a position to govern. The one problem would be the budget, but the SNP would have to vote with the Tories for that not to pass.

    That's all very well if Labour are ahead on seats but if they're a couple behind... well...

    The Tories will find it much more difficult because the SNP would undoubtedly vote against a Tory budget.

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