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  • Hengists_GiftHengists_Gift Posts: 628
    edited March 2015
    Any news of the Ashcroft marginals yet?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    I would urge major caution re Con moving into the lead.

    Last night's YouGov was actually a Con lead of 2 but lead was reported as 3 because Con rounded up and Lab down.

    Last Tuesday YouGov had a Con lead of 2. Then Wed was a tie and Thur a Lab lead of 1.

    OK, we had Ashcroft yesterday with a Con lead of 3. But we know Ashcroft is volatile and in any case Populus had a Lab lead of 2.

    It MIGHT be that the Con position (vs Lab) is MARGINALLY improving - we saw that with the full ELBOW for last week and Con is off to a good start this week.

    But forget any idea that Con is anything remotely like 3 ahead - if anything we are talking about a very MARGINAL improvement.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pulpstar said:

    If anyone wants to bet on the Conservatives then Tory Votes, Tory Seats is available at 1.9 here:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.116239998

    No it isn't :-D
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Plato said:

    IIRC you mentioned in the past being on a Grand Jury - I''m only familiar with them as TV show scenarios - do they tend to indite or not? The Good Wife series claims that for example Chicago ones would indite a ham sandwich.

    MTimT said:

    F##k me...

    Former CIA director General David Petraeus pleads guilty to mishandling classified materials, US government says

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-31716031

    That's to do with him banging his biographer.

    Nothing more.
    I wonder if Hillary will be charged with mishandling classified materials for having exclusively used her personal email for all her State Department work? Not! Double standards.
    I have not actually been on one, but if memory serves correctly, Grand Juries do indict most of the time as they are not called unless the DA is almost certain there is a case to answer. Recently, in cases of cops killing members of the public, this has turned around a bit as DA's have developed sloping shoulders, seeking to place the 'blame' for not bringing cops to trial on the Grand Jury.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386

    Any news of the Ashcroft marginals yet?

    Tomorrow.
  • Just saying

    @MSmithsonPB: @LKnavesmire I trade and moved out of my LAB most seats position over the weekend. I'll go back to either CON or LAB when price is right
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited March 2015
    MTimT said:

    Anorak said:

    Six spaceport locations remain in play for the UK:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31711083

    We should have it in England. Scotland could well go its own way in the next decade or two.


    Most are in Scotland, who (as you say) could go their own way and take the spaceport with them.

    Perhaps we should choose the Welsh one. Hmmm. What if they decide to go independent?

    Perhaps its safest to pick the English one. Cornwall. Is Cornwall safe?

    'Spaceport'? Is this serious?
    'low cost rocket planes' ?? Yes we have heard all that before. Tell that to Richard Branson.
    Low cost, with all the options in the far extremes of the country?

    Since the 'spaceport' will be no more than a glorified converted RAF runway I do not think there is much for Scotland to take away should it choose.
    I've been to Stornaway, the Outer Hebrides have some lovely windswept beaches. Is anyone at all seriously suggesting we launch rockets or 'rocket planes' from there?

    You will be telling me next there is an election looming.
    If it is Campbeltown, it will be RAF Macrihanish.

    An interesting place. The runway is absolutely vast. Was rumoured to be a stop-off point for the top-secret Aurora spy plane. Also B-2 stealth bombers went through there after 9/11. And plenty of special forces training around and abouts.

    The tin-foil hat brigade linked the Mull of Kintyre Chinook disaster to activities at Macrihanish. Who knows. If it is being put forward as a space port, that rather suggests its military status may have been downgraded.
    Given there's an absolutely splendid and much-used links at the end of the runway, the tin-foil hat brigade are being whackier then usual. The UK is not like the Mid-West, where you can put a runway in the centre of a thousand square miles of desert.
    Pedant time - the Midwest comprises Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, and Wisconsin - mostly pretty good farmland.

    Bit of a stretch to call the Great Plains and prairie desert, but I get your drift - no big open spaces.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwestern_United_States#Physical_geography
    I was thinking of those military installation so much loved by conspricy theorists and Hollywood. Area 51, MiB, Independence Day, Broken Arrow, er, Paul.

    What's the term for that area? Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico sort of thing.
  • MikeL said:

    I would urge major caution re Con moving into the lead.

    Last night's YouGov was actually a Con lead of 2 but lead was reported as 3 because Con rounded up and Lab down.

    Last Tuesday YouGov had a Con lead of 2. Then Wed was a tie and Thur a Lab lead of 1.

    OK, we had Ashcroft yesterday with a Con lead of 3. But we know Ashcroft is volatile and in any case Populus had a Lab lead of 2.

    It MIGHT be that the Con position (vs Lab) is MARGINALLY improving - we saw that with the full ELBOW for last week and Con is off to a good start this week.

    But forget any idea that Con is anything remotely like 3 ahead - if anything we are talking about a very MARGINAL improvement.

    There's been definite crossover with the phone pollsters.

    Note this graph doesn't include yesterday's Ashcroft

    @TSEofPB: The Tories have achieved an average lead with the phone pollsters http://t.co/lVNuhfNC47
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes

    Giant story coming up.


    Hope it's not about giants.
  • Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes

    Giant story coming up.


    Hope it's not about giants.

    Mike's on holiday.

    So it will be giant.

    Cabinet level resignation at least.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited March 2015

    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes

    Giant story coming up.


    Hope it's not about giants.

    Mike's on holiday.

    So it will be giant.

    Cabinet level resignation at least.
    Kipper defecation defection. Oops.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Just saying

    @MSmithsonPB: @LKnavesmire I trade and moved out of my LAB most seats position over the weekend. I'll go back to either CON or LAB when price is right

    At a loss, one assumes.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes

    Giant story coming up.


    Hope it's not about giants.

    Mike's on holiday.

    So it will be giant.

    Cabinet level resignation at least.
    *** BREAKING WIND NEWS *** BREAKING WIND NEWS *** BREAKING WIND NEWS ***

    JackW has sold the ARSE model to The Sun for a handful of magic beans.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386

    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes

    Giant story coming up.


    Hope it's not about giants.

    Wonder what that's about.

    Back to high profile tax dodgers maybe?

  • Anorak said:

    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes

    Giant story coming up.


    Hope it's not about giants.

    Mike's on holiday.

    So it will be giant.

    Cabinet level resignation at least.
    Kipper defecation defection. Oops.
    Bugger. Mike's banned me from headlining the piece "another traitorous pig dog joins UKIP"
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    GIN1138 said:

    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes

    Giant story coming up.


    Hope it's not about giants.

    Wonder what that's about.

    Back to high profile tax dodgers maybe?

    Fingers at the ready on betfair's PMQs market...
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723

    MikeL said:

    I would urge major caution re Con moving into the lead.

    Last night's YouGov was actually a Con lead of 2 but lead was reported as 3 because Con rounded up and Lab down.

    Last Tuesday YouGov had a Con lead of 2. Then Wed was a tie and Thur a Lab lead of 1.

    OK, we had Ashcroft yesterday with a Con lead of 3. But we know Ashcroft is volatile and in any case Populus had a Lab lead of 2.

    It MIGHT be that the Con position (vs Lab) is MARGINALLY improving - we saw that with the full ELBOW for last week and Con is off to a good start this week.

    But forget any idea that Con is anything remotely like 3 ahead - if anything we are talking about a very MARGINAL improvement.

    There's been definite crossover with the phone pollsters.

    Note this graph doesn't include yesterday's Ashcroft

    @TSEofPB: The Tories have achieved an average lead with the phone pollsters http://t.co/lVNuhfNC47
    OK, thanks. But we can't ignore the online pollsters.

    Anthony did an analysis of house effects a while back and from memory YouGov and Populus are pretty near the centre.

    I'm a Con supporter but I'm just bored with people on here cheerleading for their own party / cherry picking data.

    You have to look at all the data and in my view the Con position is at best only improving marginally.
  • MikeL said:

    MikeL said:

    I would urge major caution re Con moving into the lead.

    Last night's YouGov was actually a Con lead of 2 but lead was reported as 3 because Con rounded up and Lab down.

    Last Tuesday YouGov had a Con lead of 2. Then Wed was a tie and Thur a Lab lead of 1.

    OK, we had Ashcroft yesterday with a Con lead of 3. But we know Ashcroft is volatile and in any case Populus had a Lab lead of 2.

    It MIGHT be that the Con position (vs Lab) is MARGINALLY improving - we saw that with the full ELBOW for last week and Con is off to a good start this week.

    But forget any idea that Con is anything remotely like 3 ahead - if anything we are talking about a very MARGINAL improvement.

    There's been definite crossover with the phone pollsters.

    Note this graph doesn't include yesterday's Ashcroft

    @TSEofPB: The Tories have achieved an average lead with the phone pollsters http://t.co/lVNuhfNC47
    OK, thanks. But we can't ignore the online pollsters.

    Anthony did an analysis of house effects a while back and from memory YouGov and Populus are pretty near the centre.

    I'm a Con supporter but I'm just bored with people on here cheerleading for their own party / cherry picking data.

    You have to look at all the data and in my view the Con position is at best only improving marginally.
    I'm hanging fire until the next ICM and Ipsos Mori polls.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Just saying

    @MSmithsonPB: @LKnavesmire I trade and moved out of my LAB most seats position over the weekend. I'll go back to either CON or LAB when price is right

    I'm being greedy when others are fearful on this topic.

    I should have a short post up this evening about the Scottish seats in advance of relevant constituency polling from Lord Ashcroft tomorrow.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    @ anorak

    On the same scale as Midwest, those states belong to the West, but that also includes California, Oregon and Washington, plus the Mountain West. Most people would probably term those states as the Southwest, although that is not an official USG term. When we talk of southwestern cuisine, it would be those states, i.e. not including California which has its own weird and wonderful cuisine.

    The USG cuts up the country up in many different ways for many different purposes. FYI you might find this site interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_of_the_United_States
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041

    Anorak said:

    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes

    Giant story coming up.


    Hope it's not about giants.

    Mike's on holiday.

    So it will be giant.

    Cabinet level resignation at least.
    Kipper defecation defection. Oops.
    Bugger. Mike's banned me from headlining the piece "another traitorous pig dog joins UKIP"
    "Another TPD joins UKIP"?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,975
    Eagle

    "Never misunderestimate the stupidity of a man when sex is involved."

    Not a nice story

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31698154
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited March 2015
    I love deserts and enjoyed the most exquisite silence in the Mojave. I really do recommend it for those who want to experience total quiet. Canyonlands and Islands In The Sky is breathtaking and IMO better than the Grand Canyon.
    Anorak said:

    MTimT said:

    Anorak said:

    Six spaceport locations remain in play for the UK:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31711083

    We should have it in England. Scotland could well go its own way in the next decade or two.


    Most are in Scotland, who (as you say) could go their own way and take the spaceport with them.

    Perhaps we should choose the Welsh one. Hmmm. What if they decide to go independent?

    Perhaps its safest to pick the English one. Cornwall. Is Cornwall safe?

    'Spaceport'? Is this serious?
    'low cost rocket planes' ?? Yes we have heard all that before. Tell that to Richard Branson.
    Low cost, with all the options in the far extremes of the country?

    Since the 'spaceport' will be no more than a glorified converted RAF runway I do not think there is much for Scotland to take away should it choose.
    I've been to Stornaway, the Outer Hebrides have some lovely windswept beaches. Is anyone at all seriously suggesting we launch rockets or 'rocket planes' from there?

    You will be telling me next there is an election looming.
    snip
    Pedant time - the Midwest comprises Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, and Wisconsin - mostly pretty good farmland.

    Bit of a stretch to call the Great Plains and prairie desert, but I get your drift - no big open spaces.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwestern_United_States#Physical_geography
    I was thinking of those military installation so much loved by conspricy theorists and Hollywood. Area 51, MiB, Independence Day, Broken Arrow, er, Paul.

    What's the term for that area? Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico sort of thing.
  • antifrank said:

    Just saying

    @MSmithsonPB: @LKnavesmire I trade and moved out of my LAB most seats position over the weekend. I'll go back to either CON or LAB when price is right

    I'm being greedy when others are fearful on this topic.

    I should have a short post up this evening about the Scottish seats in advance of relevant constituency polling from Lord Ashcroft tomorrow.
    Look forward to it.
  • RobD said:

    Anorak said:

    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes

    Giant story coming up.


    Hope it's not about giants.

    Mike's on holiday.

    So it will be giant.

    Cabinet level resignation at least.
    Kipper defecation defection. Oops.
    Bugger. Mike's banned me from headlining the piece "another traitorous pig dog joins UKIP"
    "Another TPD joins UKIP"?
    Nope.

    X becomes the latest treacherous Rat-snake to join UKIP from the Tories.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes

    Giant story coming up.


    Hope it's not about giants.

    It is about giants - or more accurately about a pygmy.

  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    GIN1138 said:

    Any news of the Ashcroft marginals yet?

    Tomorrow.
    I think we're due a TNS as well, which might burst the Tory bubble given their recent results.

  • Roger said:

    Eagle

    "Never misunderestimate the stupidity of a man when sex is involved."

    Not a nice story

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31698154

    I saw it earlier and I nearly punched a wall in anger.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes

    Giant story coming up.


    Hope it's not about giants.

    Arf - mind you, we've already had two headed trolls and dragons mentioned on PB today, along with barrel rolling woodpeckers and Biggles the weasel. Anything is possible..!
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,142
    edited March 2015
    Perhaps Guido's 'Giant story' is related to story on the photo of suddenly very tall EdM and Toby Perkins? Got to be the funniest I've read on there for months, worthy of Thick of It....
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Anorak said:

    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes

    Giant story coming up.


    Hope it's not about giants.

    Mike's on holiday.

    So it will be giant.

    Cabinet level resignation at least.
    Kipper defecation defection. Oops.
    Bugger. Mike's banned me from headlining the piece "another traitorous pig dog joins UKIP"
    How about "Rats joining a sinking ship: one more TPD defects to UKIP"
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    MTimT said:

    @ anorak

    On the same scale as Midwest, those states belong to the West, but that also includes California, Oregon and Washington, plus the Mountain West. Most people would probably term those states as the Southwest, although that is not an official USG term. When we talk of southwestern cuisine, it would be those states, i.e. not including California which has its own weird and wonderful cuisine.

    The USG cuts up the country up in many different ways for many different purposes. FYI you might find this site interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_of_the_United_States

    Lots of confusion over "southwest":
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwestern_United_States
    I'm going with this (especially I was introduced to it by Breaking Bad):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Corners
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Plato said:

    I love deserts and enjoyed the most exquisite silence in the Mojave. I really do recommend it for those who want to experience total quiet. Canyonlands and Islands In The Sky is breathtaking and IMO better than the Grand Canyon.

    Anorak said:

    MTimT said:

    Anorak said:

    Six spaceport locations remain in play for the UK:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31711083

    We should have it in England. Scotland could well go its own way in the next decade or two.


    Most are in Scotland, who (as you say) could go their own way and take the spaceport with them.

    Perhaps we should choose the Welsh one. Hmmm. What if they decide to go independent?

    Perhaps its safest to pick the English one. Cornwall. Is Cornwall safe?

    'Spaceport'? Is this serious?
    'low cost rocket planes' ?? Yes we have heard all that before. Tell that to Richard Branson.
    Low cost, with all the options in the far extremes of the country?

    Since the 'spaceport' will be no more than a glorified converted RAF runway I do not think there is much for Scotland to take away should it choose.
    I've been to Stornaway, the Outer Hebrides have some lovely windswept beaches. Is anyone at all seriously suggesting we launch rockets or 'rocket planes' from there?

    You will be telling me next there is an election looming.
    snip
    Pedant time - the Midwest comprises Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, and Wisconsin - mostly pretty good farmland.

    Bit of a stretch to call the Great Plains and prairie desert, but I get your drift - no big open spaces.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwestern_United_States#Physical_geography
    I was thinking of those military installation so much loved by conspricy theorists and Hollywood. Area 51, MiB, Independence Day, Broken Arrow, er, Paul.

    What's the term for that area? Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico sort of thing.
    Indeed, nothing like the Empty Quarter at dawn with nothing but (ultra) crisp clear skies.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386

    GIN1138 said:

    Any news of the Ashcroft marginals yet?

    Tomorrow.
    I think we're due a TNS as well, which might burst the Tory bubble given their recent results.

    I find TNS, Survation and Opinium are largely ignored (unless they show Con leads of course)

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    Roger said:

    Eagle

    "Never misunderestimate the stupidity of a man when sex is involved."

    Not a nice story

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31698154

    I saw it earlier and I nearly punched a wall in anger.
    I'm not a vindictive, violent man. But for that guy, a decent case has been made for chemical castration.

    The chemical being hydrochloric acid.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    GIN1138 said:
    From the build-up I thought it was something like Theresa May joining UKIP.
  • GadflyGadfly Posts: 1,191
    Plato said:

    Love it. I miss Concorde's sonic boom. We seem to have gone backwards. I remember Blue Peter's *satellite* live report from it back as a kid.

    EDIT can a bird stall?

    Anorak said:

    Plato said:

    Did you see the woodpecker pix at the end of the last thread. Amazing.

    Rolf Harris has been stripped of his CBE according to BBC ticker.

    Oh noes. Who will command the British Empire now?
    Plato, yes a stunning image. Green woodpeckers are the ones that have the call that sounds like they are laughing. This chap could have gone up to a hundred feet and done a barrel roll - that would have given him the last laugh for sure!
    To be a nerd: a barrel roll would just keep the weasel in place. You can barrel roll a plane (including Concorde) without spilling your coffee if done right. A snap roll or an outside loop would be the order of the day.
    I recall watching a Carrion Crow flying across the deep valley that hosts the M6 near Tebay, Cumbria. It was halfway across when an RAF Tornado that was following the valley flew beneath it. Presumably as a consequence of the jet's vortex, the unfortunate bird completely lost the ability to fly, and was splattered by a lorry as it tumbled towards the motorway.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I've stood on Four Corners - it's hemmed in by Native American jewelry shacks staffed by most unfriendly victim-feeling owners. A most disappointing experience.

    If you want to try it - Death Valley is marvellous.
    Anorak said:

    MTimT said:

    @ anorak

    On the same scale as Midwest, those states belong to the West, but that also includes California, Oregon and Washington, plus the Mountain West. Most people would probably term those states as the Southwest, although that is not an official USG term. When we talk of southwestern cuisine, it would be those states, i.e. not including California which has its own weird and wonderful cuisine.

    The USG cuts up the country up in many different ways for many different purposes. FYI you might find this site interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_of_the_United_States

    Lots of confusion over "southwest":
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwestern_United_States
    I'm going with this (especially I was introduced to it by Breaking Bad):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Corners
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Tony N D says tonights YG have elements of "corking"

    "Movement for two different parties"

  • @tnewtondunn: The second interesting daily @YouGov poll in a row just in. Movement for two different parties. Result on http://t.co/U0QFiRQF8U at 10.30pm.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Dunn Dunn Dunn...

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn

    The second interesting daily @YouGov poll in a row just in. Movement for two different parties. Result on http://thesun.co.uk at 10.30pm.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Plato said:

    I've stood on Four Corners - it's hemmed in by Native American jewelry shacks staffed by most unfriendly victim-feeling owners. A most disappointing experience.

    If you want to try it - Death Valley is marvellous.

    Anorak said:

    MTimT said:

    @ anorak

    On the same scale as Midwest, those states belong to the West, but that also includes California, Oregon and Washington, plus the Mountain West. Most people would probably term those states as the Southwest, although that is not an official USG term. When we talk of southwestern cuisine, it would be those states, i.e. not including California which has its own weird and wonderful cuisine.

    The USG cuts up the country up in many different ways for many different purposes. FYI you might find this site interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_of_the_United_States

    Lots of confusion over "southwest":
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwestern_United_States
    I'm going with this (especially I was introduced to it by Breaking Bad):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Corners
    I'm visiting SF and Yosemite in the summer, as it happens. Maybe a drive to Death Valley could be arranged...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Mortimer said:

    Perhaps Guido's 'Giant story' is related to story on the photo of suddenly very tall EdM and Toby Perkins? Got to be the funniest I've read on there for months, worthy of Thick of It....

    Looking at the photo it seems to be an optical illusion caused by Miliband's high hair and Perkins no hair
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,706

    @tnewtondunn: The second interesting daily @YouGov poll in a row just in. Movement for two different parties. Result on http://t.co/U0QFiRQF8U at 10.30pm.

    Doesn't sound like a Tory lead to me.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    edited March 2015

    @tnewtondunn: The second interesting daily @YouGov poll in a row just in. Movement for two different parties. Result on http://t.co/U0QFiRQF8U at 10.30pm.

    Lib's down to 5% Greens up to 7%? :smiley:

    #taxi4clegg

  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    UKIP down will be one of the movements.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    I suspect interesting means another movement - ie Con lead no longer 3.

    I would guess back to a tie or a lead of 1 either way.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Anorak said:

    Plato said:

    I've stood on Four Corners - it's hemmed in by Native American jewelry shacks staffed by most unfriendly victim-feeling owners. A most disappointing experience.

    If you want to try it - Death Valley is marvellous.

    Anorak said:

    MTimT said:

    @ anorak

    On the same scale as Midwest, those states belong to the West, but that also includes California, Oregon and Washington, plus the Mountain West. Most people would probably term those states as the Southwest, although that is not an official USG term. When we talk of southwestern cuisine, it would be those states, i.e. not including California which has its own weird and wonderful cuisine.

    The USG cuts up the country up in many different ways for many different purposes. FYI you might find this site interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_of_the_United_States

    Lots of confusion over "southwest":
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwestern_United_States
    I'm going with this (especially I was introduced to it by Breaking Bad):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Corners
    I'm visiting SF and Yosemite in the summer, as it happens. Maybe a drive to Death Valley could be arranged...
    Yosemite = ******
    Death Valley = *

    Not worth the drive IMHO.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312

    Roger said:

    Eagle

    "Never misunderestimate the stupidity of a man when sex is involved."

    Not a nice story

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31698154

    I saw it earlier and I nearly punched a wall in anger.
    I'm not a vindictive, violent man. But for that guy, a decent case has been made for chemical castration.

    The chemical being hydrochloric acid.
    They are going to hang him, it would seem superfluous. Might as well just bribe the hangman to miscalculate the drop.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Monument Valley is just awesome. It was like living the Westerns of my childhood.

    Of all the places I've been to - Death Valley remains my favourite - it has everything, the nps.gov/deva/planyourvisit/ubehebe-crater.htm blew me away. The winds so strong I thought my car would be sucked down, the heat was intense and more blistering than the Sahara. A life moment.
    MTimT said:

    Plato said:

    I love deserts and enjoyed the most exquisite silence in the Mojave. I really do recommend it for those who want to experience total quiet. Canyonlands and Islands In The Sky is breathtaking and IMO better than the Grand Canyon.

    Anorak said:

    MTimT said:

    Anorak said:

    Six spaceport locations remain in play for the UK:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31711083

    We should have it in England. Scotland could well go its own way in the next decade or two.


    Most are in Scotland, who (as you say) could go their own way and take the spaceport with them.

    Perhaps we should choose the Welsh one. Hmmm. What if they decide to go independent?

    Perhaps its safest to pick the English one. Cornwall. Is Cornwall safe?

    'Spaceport'? Is this serious?
    'low cost rocket planes' ?? Yes we have heard all that before. Tell that to Richard Branson.
    Low cost, with all the options in the far extremes of the country?

    Since the 'spaceport' will be no more than a glorified converted RAF runway I do not think there is much for Scotland to take away should it choose.
    I've been to Stornaway, the Outer Hebrides have some lovely windswept beaches. Is anyone at all seriously suggesting we launch rockets or 'rocket planes' from there?

    You will be telling me next there is an election looming.
    snip
    Pedant time - the Midwest comprises Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, and Wisconsin - mostly pretty good farmland.

    Bit of a stretch to call the Great Plains and prairie desert, but I get your drift - no big open spaces.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwestern_United_States#Physical_geography
    I was thinking of those military installation so much loved by conspricy theorists and Hollywood. Area 51, MiB, Independence Day, Broken Arrow, er, Paul.

    What's the term for that area? Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico sort of thing.
    Indeed, nothing like the Empty Quarter at dawn with nothing but (ultra) crisp clear skies.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Sean_F said:

    GIN1138 said:
    From the build-up I thought it was something like Theresa May joining UKIP.
    Or Farage the Tories....
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Plato..I taught my first wife to drive an automatic car in Death Valley.. seemed quite apt.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    C 32 (-3) L 32 (-) LD 9 (+2) UKIP 15 (-) GRN 6 (-)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    edited March 2015
    If they get YouGov in this early, I wonder why they make us wait until half ten?

    Wouldn't it have more impact on the "agenda" if they released it around 8pm?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    @tnewtondunn: The second interesting daily @YouGov poll in a row just in. Movement for two different parties. Result on http://t.co/U0QFiRQF8U at 10.30pm.

    Doesn't sound like a Tory lead to me.
    I disagree. If it was "as you were", that wouldn't be interesting.

    It sounds more likely to be a UKIP fall and Lib Dem rise, if I were being forced to guess right now.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Mind you, it wouldn't be the first time that a journalist had overhyped a poll.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Or, hedging my bets for a mega-move :p

    C 37 (+2) L 32 (-) LD 7 (-) UKIP 12 (-3) GRN 6 (-)
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173

    @tnewtondunn: The second interesting daily @YouGov poll in a row just in. Movement for two different parties. Result on http://t.co/U0QFiRQF8U at 10.30pm.

    Doesn't sound like a Tory lead to me.
    Dunno - movement for two different parties suggests no movement for the others.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    antifrank said:

    @tnewtondunn: The second interesting daily @YouGov poll in a row just in. Movement for two different parties. Result on http://t.co/U0QFiRQF8U at 10.30pm.

    Doesn't sound like a Tory lead to me.
    I disagree. If it was "as you were", that wouldn't be interesting.

    It sounds more likely to be a UKIP fall and Lib Dem rise, if I were being forced to guess right now.
    Last night's 50% does seem something of an outlier for the combined Conservative/UKIP vote share.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    antifrank said:

    @tnewtondunn: The second interesting daily @YouGov poll in a row just in. Movement for two different parties. Result on http://t.co/U0QFiRQF8U at 10.30pm.

    Doesn't sound like a Tory lead to me.
    I disagree. If it was "as you were", that wouldn't be interesting.

    It sounds more likely to be a UKIP fall and Lib Dem rise, if I were being forced to guess right now.
    Yep. A UKIP-LibDem crossover would be newsworthy....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041

    Or, hedging my bets for a mega-move :p

    C 37 (+2) L 32 (-) LD 7 (-) UKIP 12 (-3) GRN 6 (-)

    EICIPM???
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386

    Or, hedging my bets for a mega-move :p

    C 37 (+2) L 32 (-) LD 7 (-) UKIP 12 (-3) GRN 6 (-)

    #cookingwithgas

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    edited March 2015
    RobD said:

    Or, hedging my bets for a mega-move :p

    C 37 (+2) L 32 (-) LD 7 (-) UKIP 12 (-3) GRN 6 (-)

    EICIPM???
    More like EMWNBPM???

  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    GIN1138 said:

    If they get YouGov in this early, I wonder why they make us wait until half ten?

    Wouldn't it have more impact on the "agenda" if they released it around 8pm?

    Well they've got to write their copy. But I suspect their poll release time may creep earlier as we get nearer to the election.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I liked SF - if you're driving check out the rules, IIRC you can't turn right so go round in a big square to get to your destination.

    I had three days in Yosemite and was bored stiff - 24hrs was enough for me. I wish I'd given more to Los Angeles and SF. Don't miss LA out if you haven't been or Sea World in San Diego - it's superb fun.

    I highly recommend Hearst Castle [as in Citizen Kane] it's mind blowing.
    Anorak said:

    Plato said:

    I've stood on Four Corners - it's hemmed in by Native American jewelry shacks staffed by most unfriendly victim-feeling owners. A most disappointing experience.

    If you want to try it - Death Valley is marvellous.

    Anorak said:

    MTimT said:

    @ anorak

    On the same scale as Midwest, those states belong to the West, but that also includes California, Oregon and Washington, plus the Mountain West. Most people would probably term those states as the Southwest, although that is not an official USG term. When we talk of southwestern cuisine, it would be those states, i.e. not including California which has its own weird and wonderful cuisine.

    The USG cuts up the country up in many different ways for many different purposes. FYI you might find this site interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_of_the_United_States

    Lots of confusion over "southwest":
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwestern_United_States
    I'm going with this (especially I was introduced to it by Breaking Bad):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Corners
    I'm visiting SF and Yosemite in the summer, as it happens. Maybe a drive to Death Valley could be arranged...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    Plato..I taught my first wife to drive an automatic car in Death Valley.. seemed quite apt.

    Was it directly linked to the subsequent spousal vacancy?
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    @ Plato: The Empty Quarter does not get up to Death Valley temperatures (although Lac Abbe in Djibouti does), but it has incredible sand dunes, daily temperatures of 50+C, and so dry that you have no sensible sweating, just waking up to the fact that your arms have gone white with a crust of salt.
  • @MSmithsonPB: @SunPolitics @tnewtondunn @YouGov Why not Tweet it now? The S Times give us their YouGov data at about 9pm

    @tnewtondunn: @MSmithsonPB @SunPolitics @YouGov we hold back to keep the results exclusive for the paper's 1st edition.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    @ anorak Go to Muir Woods: http://www.nps.gov/muwo/index.htm
  • I was planning to publish my AV thread this evening, but I'm going to hold it back until tomorrow, as Tom Newton Dunn's tweet means we've got too much excitement on our hands.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    RobD said:

    Or, hedging my bets for a mega-move :p

    C 37 (+2) L 32 (-) LD 7 (-) UKIP 12 (-3) GRN 6 (-)

    EICIPM???
    The Tories would have a majority of 2 on those numbers, according to Electoral Calculus.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Plato said:

    I liked SF - if you're driving check out the rules, IIRC you can't turn right so go round in a big square to get to your destination.

    I had three days in Yosemite and was bored stiff - 24hrs was enough for me. I wish I'd given more to Los Angeles and SF. Don't miss LA out if you haven't been or Sea World in San Diego - it's superb fun.

    I highly recommend Hearst Castle [as in Citizen Kane] it's mind blowing.

    Anorak said:

    Plato said:

    I've stood on Four Corners - it's hemmed in by Native American jewelry shacks staffed by most unfriendly victim-feeling owners. A most disappointing experience.

    If you want to try it - Death Valley is marvellous.

    Anorak said:

    MTimT said:

    @ anorak

    On the same scale as Midwest, those states belong to the West, but that also includes California, Oregon and Washington, plus the Mountain West. Most people would probably term those states as the Southwest, although that is not an official USG term. When we talk of southwestern cuisine, it would be those states, i.e. not including California which has its own weird and wonderful cuisine.

    The USG cuts up the country up in many different ways for many different purposes. FYI you might find this site interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_of_the_United_States

    Lots of confusion over "southwest":
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwestern_United_States
    I'm going with this (especially I was introduced to it by Breaking Bad):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Corners
    I'm visiting SF and Yosemite in the summer, as it happens. Maybe a drive to Death Valley could be arranged...
    The Pacific Coast Highway run down from SF is superb. Big Sur is worth dawdling through. Spend a bit of time (and a lot of cash!) at Ventana Lodge.

    Also, the aquarium at Cannery Row in Monterey is superb.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041

    I was planning to publish my AV thread this evening, but I'm going to hold it back until tomorrow, as Tom Newton Dunn's tweet means we've got too much excitement on our hands.

    Such an AV tease.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,706
    Europhile watch. All MPs ranked by euroscepticism based upon how they've voted. Brooks Newmark worse than Ken Clarke:

    http://www.brugesgroup.com/mpwatch/index.live
  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    Corking is a phrase used where, for example, a few cyclists in a road race block the side roads at traffic light junction, allowing the bulk of the riders to ride safely through it, red or green without slowing down or stopping.

    Is TN-D a keen cyclist?
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    Anorak said:

    Six spaceport locations remain in play for the UK:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31711083

    We should have it in England. Scotland could well go its own way in the next decade or two.


    Most are in Scotland, who (as you say) could go their own way and take the spaceport with them.

    Perhaps we should choose the Welsh one. Hmmm. What if they decide to go independent?

    Perhaps its safest to pick the English one. Cornwall. Is Cornwall safe?

    'Spaceport'? Is this serious?
    'low cost rocket planes' ?? Yes we have heard all that before. Tell that to Richard Branson.
    Low cost, with all the options in the far extremes of the country?

    Since the 'spaceport' will be no more than a glorified converted RAF runway I do not think there is much for Scotland to take away should it choose.
    I've been to Stornaway, the Outer Hebrides have some lovely windswept beaches. Is anyone at all seriously suggesting we launch rockets or 'rocket planes' from there?

    You will be telling me next there is an election looming.
    If it is Campbeltown, it will be RAF Macrihanish.

    An interesting place. The runway is absolutely vast. Was rumoured to be a stop-off point for the top-secret Aurora spy plane. Also B-2 stealth bombers went through there after 9/11. And plenty of special forces training around and abouts.

    The tin-foil hat brigade linked the Mull of Kintyre Chinook disaster to activities at Macrihanish. Who knows. If it is being put forward as a space port, that rather suggests its military status may have been downgraded.
    Given there's an absolutely splendid and much-used links at the end of the runway, the tin-foil hat brigade are being whackier then usual. The UK is not like the Mid-West, where you can put a runway in the centre of a thousand square miles of desert.
    Leuchars is right next to a not too shabby links course as well.. Did they just pick the airbase sites for the golf nearby?
    It was strongly rumoured that GCHQ, moved to Cheltenham because the director at the time was a bit of a lover of the nags, and the Americans had coincidentally pulled out of the hospital there, leaving it vacant at just the right time.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Wow - I hated the Sahara. All stones and boring. 50C was the average when I was there, but very chilly at night and the most exciting bit was a massive sandstorm that chased us for miles and finally overtook us.

    The dust and wind was terrifying and we hid under our Landies - seeing the sky turn pinky-brown behind our convoy was fun until it hit. And one of us broke an axle in the escape. It doesn't seem real thinking back about it or the tug-of-war descent with a busted Landy from the Atlas mountains. I advocated pushing it over a cliff - but the owners didn't want to leave her behind...
    MTimT said:

    @ Plato: The Empty Quarter does not get up to Death Valley temperatures (although Lac Abbe in Djibouti does), but it has incredible sand dunes, daily temperatures of 50+C, and so dry that you have no sensible sweating, just waking up to the fact that your arms have gone white with a crust of salt.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041

    Corking is a phrase used where, for example, a few cyclists in a road race block the side roads at traffic light junction, allowing the bulk of the riders to ride safely through it, red or green without slowing down or stopping.

    Is TN-D a keen cyclist?

    Is that even legal, surely the cyclists would be going through a red light?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    H1 is very strange re the weather. Foggy one moment and clear the next.

    I covered about 4.5k miles around Nevada, Colorado, Utah and California and loved it all.

    I can't recommend Salt Lake City too highly either. Not the stereotype at all and the Tabernacle is superb.

    Plato said:

    I liked SF - if you're driving check out the rules, IIRC you can't turn right so go round in a big square to get to your destination.

    I had three days in Yosemite and was bored stiff - 24hrs was enough for me. I wish I'd given more to Los Angeles and SF. Don't miss LA out if you haven't been or Sea World in San Diego - it's superb fun.

    I highly recommend Hearst Castle [as in Citizen Kane] it's mind blowing.

    Anorak said:

    Plato said:

    I've stood on Four Corners - it's hemmed in by Native American jewelry shacks staffed by most unfriendly victim-feeling owners. A most disappointing experience.

    If you want to try it - Death Valley is marvellous.

    Anorak said:

    MTimT said:

    @ anorak

    On the same scale as Midwest, those states belong to the West, but that also includes California, Oregon and Washington, plus the Mountain West. Most people would probably term those states as the Southwest, although that is not an official USG term. When we talk of southwestern cuisine, it would be those states, i.e. not including California which has its own weird and wonderful cuisine.

    The USG cuts up the country up in many different ways for many different purposes. FYI you might find this site interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_of_the_United_States

    Lots of confusion over "southwest":
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwestern_United_States
    I'm going with this (especially I was introduced to it by Breaking Bad):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Corners
    I'm visiting SF and Yosemite in the summer, as it happens. Maybe a drive to Death Valley could be arranged...
    The Pacific Coast Highway run down from SF is superb. Big Sur is worth dawdling through. Spend a bit of time (and a lot of cash!) at Ventana Lodge.

    Also, the aquarium at Cannery Row in Monterey is superb.
  • Can anyone explain the complete silence from labour and hacked off over the revelation of the extent of Mirror Group papers phone hacking
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Corking is a phrase used where, for example, a few cyclists in a road race block the side roads at traffic light junction, allowing the bulk of the riders to ride safely through it, red or green without slowing down or stopping.

    Is TN-D a keen cyclist?

    corking (TM) is a PB phrase to describe a poll where the swing between the red and blue parties changes by more than 5 points or the minor parties change by more than 3 points.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386

    I was planning to publish my AV thread this evening, but I'm going to hold it back until tomorrow, as Tom Newton Dunn's tweet means we've got too much excitement on our hands.

    Well we have got five hours to kill...

  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    Can anyone explain the complete silence from labour and hacked off over the revelation of the extent of Mirror Group papers phone hacking

    Yes. The mirror supports Labour and isnt owned by Murdoch.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Anorak said:

    Plato said:

    I've stood on Four Corners - it's hemmed in by Native American jewelry shacks staffed by most unfriendly victim-feeling owners. A most disappointing experience.

    If you want to try it - Death Valley is marvellous.

    Anorak said:

    MTimT said:

    @ anorak

    On the same scale as Midwest, those states belong to the West, but that also includes California, Oregon and Washington, plus the Mountain West. Most people would probably term those states as the Southwest, although that is not an official USG term. When we talk of southwestern cuisine, it would be those states, i.e. not including California which has its own weird and wonderful cuisine.

    The USG cuts up the country up in many different ways for many different purposes. FYI you might find this site interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_of_the_United_States

    Lots of confusion over "southwest":
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwestern_United_States
    I'm going with this (especially I was introduced to it by Breaking Bad):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Corners
    I'm visiting SF and Yosemite in the summer, as it happens. Maybe a drive to Death Valley could be arranged...
    If you make it down to Laguna, I'll invite you over for a drink
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  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 8s8 seconds ago
    High Court: between June 2002 and mid-2006, Mirror Group journalists made nearly 10,000 phone hacking calls to Orange’s voicemail platform.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Can anyone explain the complete silence from labour and hacked off over the revelation of the extent of Mirror Group papers phone hacking

    Labour MP Tom Watson, a leading campaigner on phone hacking, said: "The Mirror group have admitted to what has been suspected for some time - they used to hack phones too.

    "Today's revelations only make the argument stronger that the Leveson recommendations should be implemented in full.

    Which Tory politicians have commented and why aren't they pushing for full Leveson
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    @Big_G_NorthWales

    Hacked Off, the campaign for a "free and accountable" press, said the Trinity Mirror apology confirmed what it had always believed - that phone hacking was "not confined to the News of the World".

    It said the move was "four years late and fails to deal with the issue of corporate responsibility, cover-ups and a continuing rejection of effective regulation and fair remedy".
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633



    Which Tory politicians have commented and why aren't they pushing for full Leveson

    Perhaps the desire not to waste more money on another worthless enquiry ?

    Let the law take its course - the Mirror deserves what is coming.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,688
    MTimT said:

    @ Plato: The Empty Quarter does not get up to Death Valley temperatures (although Lac Abbe in Djibouti does), but it has incredible sand dunes, daily temperatures of 50+C, and so dry that you have no sensible sweating, just waking up to the fact that your arms have gone white with a crust of salt.

    Back in the late 80s before the first gulf war I worked in the Empty Quarter looking at sand dune and sabkha deposits. The hottest air temperature we records was 59 deg C. But that was not in the shade.
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