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SystemSystem Posts: 11,705
edited March 2015 in General

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Those who are more likely to mention the NHS include those aged 55+ (51%), ABC1s (45%) and those in the South East outside of London (56%) compared with Londoners (34%), C2DEs (36%) and those aged 18-34 (24%).

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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,352
    edited March 2015
    First!

    And a couple for the horsey followers on here.....

    Newcastle
    2.20 Seventeen Black ew 5/1
    4.20 Snowed In ew 5/1

    Would make a nice ew double.

    Off to the London Racing Club's pre-Festival Review Nite tonite. Any glimpses of wisdom will be dutifully reported here tomorrow.

    Now, back to the NHS folks. Sorry for the interruption.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    TSE, you've forgotten to highlight the low salience of the EU, as is traditional with this data.

    With regards to the election, I like the consistency of this data set but you can't force it to answer questions that weren't asked.
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    saddosaddo Posts: 534
    I still think this will be fine for Cameron. All they have to is hammer home the NHS Wales vs. NHS England story, with sprinkles of Mid Staffs on top.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    A sharp drop for concern for the NHS – I wonder if that will change with today’s headlines of “Lethal failures' led to baby deaths”?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31699607
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    NHS concern down overall but still important. Looking at swing voters (ABC1 35-54) economic concern is very high so the government's message will still resonate well and as long as Dave pledges to increase NHS spending over the next Parliament then they will still get the votes. The Tories are not as far behind as Labour need them on the NHS and are pulling up even on quite a few other policy areas.
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    Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    Labour's filthy hospitals - a surefire votewinner for weird Ed.
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    @weejonnie fpt "Wrong again - the convictions ARE spent under the Rehabilitation of Offenders act BUT certain occupations require an enhanced CRB that specifically allows for them to be listed. "

    Are you sure?

    “Disregarding certain convictions for buggery etc.

    Effect of disregard

    95 - Effect of disregard on police and other records

    (1)The Secretary of State must by notice direct the relevant data controller to delete details, contained in relevant official records, of a disregarded conviction or caution.”


    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/part/5/chapter/4/enacted
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,594
    Tissue_Price said:

    TSE, you've forgotten to highlight the low salience of the EU, as is traditional with this data.

    With regards to the election, I like the consistency of this data set but you can't force it to answer questions that weren't asked.

    I was more pre-occupied with the headline for the third graphic.

    I thought of headlining it "Osborne's magnificent stewardship of the economy is responsible for the economy no longer being the major issue"

    But I thought, that might give Alanbrooke a seizure.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,427
    Newstatesman poll has 75% of Labour candidates against renewal of Trident. Room here, for a SNP deal?

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/exclusive-75-labour-ppcs-oppose-trident-renewal
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    rottenborough said:

    Newstatesman poll has 75% of Labour candidates against renewal of Trident. Room here, for a SNP deal?

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/exclusive-75-labour-ppcs-oppose-trident-renewal

    Yes.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    First!

    And a couple for the horsey followers on here.....

    Newcastle
    2.20 Seventeen Black ew 5/1
    4.20 Snowed In ew 5/1

    Would make a nice ew double.

    Off to the London Racing Club's pre-Festival Review Nite tonite. Any glimpses of wisdom will be dutifully reported here tomorrow.

    Now, back to the NHS folks. Sorry for the interruption.

    Cheers PtP. The first of these is available at 7/2 (still e/w) betting without the favourite, which also appeals as an alternative angle.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    You cannot have the NHS without a decent economy to pay for it.

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    Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    The Bellylaugh's graphic of pre-election support for PM does rather back up what I've always maintained: that the party with the best leader tends to win.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11446252/Campaign-Calculus-Only-Ed-Miliband-can-stop-Labour-now.html

    The only anomaly is that Callaghan was rated higher than Thatcher, although that was probably just straightforward 1970s working class sexism. I can remember a thoughtful voter in a TV vox observing that he "couldn't see how Mrs Fatcha could evah git in."

    Miliband is going to lose the popular vote although he could still end up as PM off coming second.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    FTPT
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Robert, have you changed the way you embed pictures into thread headers?

    Now your running PB in OGH's absence, any chance we could get a thread looking at the full obliteration possibly being faced by the Lib's? :smiley:
    I've written one, I'm comparing Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems to King Leonidas and the Spartans, but am hanging fire until the Ashcroft polling is out.
    Sounds good. :smiley:

    The photo I'll be using for the thread is this, headlined

    "Will you be able to fit all the Lib Dem MPs into this after May?"

    http://mashupgraphics.co.uk/gallery/libdemsmart.jpg
    Channeling Martin Day...

    #Taxi4Clegg
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,660
    rottenborough said:

    Newstatesman poll has 75% of Labour candidates against renewal of Trident. Room here, for a SNP deal?

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/exclusive-75-labour-ppcs-oppose-trident-renewal

    Unfit for government.
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    Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    MarkHopkins said:


    You cannot have the NHS without a decent economy to pay for it.

    But the mansion tax is going to pay for it. You just designate all cars and all houses "mansions" and boom, you're done. Well, except cars and houses belonging to Labour voters obviously. Those are good mansions. Semis in Richmond are bad mansions.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Just watching the HOC debates..Why do the Labour front bench members all look like Burnham... the "Oh I,ve just wet my pants look"
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    @Tissue_Price Thanks for the Skybet SNP spot, been able to shift the Corals ricked Green Lib Dem cash onto the actual winner ;)
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,352
    Tissue_Price said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    First!

    And a couple for the horsey followers on here.....

    Newcastle
    2.20 Seventeen Black ew 5/1
    4.20 Snowed In ew 5/1

    Would make a nice ew double.

    Off to the London Racing Club's pre-Festival Review Nite tonite. Any glimpses of wisdom will be dutifully reported here tomorrow.

    Now, back to the NHS folks. Sorry for the interruption.

    Cheers PtP. The first of these is available at 7/2 (still e/w) betting without the favourite, which also appeals as an alternative angle.
    Sure TP, if that's how you want to do it I wouldn't put you off.

    All I would point is that these are quite heavy bets for me and like many punters I go in heaviest when I think I've spotted an opposable favorite. That's what is behind these two bets, so naturally betting 'without' doesn't appeal to me on this occasion.

    We'll soon know if I'm wrong!

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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    Mr. Dodd, a physical manifestation of fiscal incontinence?
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    PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    TheScreamingEagles said:



    I thought of headlining it "Osborne's magnificent stewardship of the economy is responsible for the economy no longer being the major issue"

    But I thought, that might give Alanbrooke a seizure.

    "Salience of economy as electoral issue declines as gap between Osborne's original and revised deficit reduction forecasts grows?"
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    Beer Baccy & Crumpet Party banned from running in May 2015, yet Electoral Commission happy to allow them to exist in 2012.

    http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/164017/20131017-Political-party-profiles-2012-PDF.pdf
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,883
    rottenborough said:

    Newstatesman poll has 75% of Labour candidates against renewal of Trident. Room here, for a SNP deal?

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/exclusive-75-labour-ppcs-oppose-trident-renewal

    There are going to be a lot of lefties in the House of Commons after May.
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    JonnyJimmy said:

    @weejonnie fpt "Wrong again - the convictions ARE spent under the Rehabilitation of Offenders act BUT certain occupations require an enhanced CRB that specifically allows for them to be listed. "

    Are you sure?

    “Disregarding certain convictions for buggery etc.

    Effect of disregard

    95 - Effect of disregard on police and other records

    (1)The Secretary of State must by notice direct the relevant data controller to delete details, contained in relevant official records, of a disregarded conviction or caution.”


    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/part/5/chapter/4/enacted

    @Philip_Thompson I pardon you for your wrongness on the previous thread.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited March 2015
    Looking at the HOC debates on the reports into baby deaths in Furness and Childrens Social Services..It appears that both organisations were falling apart on ermmm Labours watch...... who,d a thunk it..Anyone seen wet pants Burnham..
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,895
    GIN1138 said:

    FTPT

    TheScreamingEagles said:


    The photo I'll be using for the thread is this, headlined

    "Will you be able to fit all the Lib Dem MPs into this after May?"

    http://mashupgraphics.co.uk/gallery/libdemsmart.jpg

    Channeling Martin Day...

    #Taxi4Clegg
    I look forward to the market opening on who the Tories will blame when they lose on May 7th:

    6/5 Nigel Farage/UKIP
    7/4 Nick Clegg/ Liberal Democrats
    5/1 The Voters
    10/1 The Media
    20/1 David Cameron
    100/1 "You're all Ungrateful B***ards"

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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    "Tory minister criticises 'inhuman inflexibility' in benefit sanctions "

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/03/tory-minister-inhuman-inflexibility-benefit-sanctions
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    volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    The GMB are settling at 1% in the NHS,other unions members are in consultation.Welcome news for government perhaps but a decision designed to bring the NHS up the salience ladder, as unions affiliated to Labour prepare their tanks to not just weaponise the NHS but to reflect the seige of Stalingrad.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    First!

    And a couple for the horsey followers on here.....

    Newcastle
    2.20 Seventeen Black ew 5/1
    4.20 Snowed In ew 5/1

    Would make a nice ew double.

    Off to the London Racing Club's pre-Festival Review Nite tonite. Any glimpses of wisdom will be dutifully reported here tomorrow.

    Now, back to the NHS folks. Sorry for the interruption.

    Cheers PtP. The first of these is available at 7/2 (still e/w) betting without the favourite, which also appeals as an alternative angle.
    Sure TP, if that's how you want to do it I wouldn't put you off.

    All I would point is that these are quite heavy bets for me and like many punters I go in heaviest when I think I've spotted an opposable favorite. That's what is behind these two bets, so naturally betting 'without' doesn't appeal to me on this occasion.

    We'll soon know if I'm wrong!

    Yes I guessed you were opposing the favourite. What I like about the 7/2 isn't so much the extra chance of winning (if the forecast lands), but the chance of getting paid on 4th place.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    So Yvette Cooper thinks that the Govt's response to the child abuse (in the news today) is a "missed opportunity"

    What the feck was her party doing whilst it was going on?
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Shredding the Rochdale home office files that mysteriously ‘disappeared’ ..?
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    SquareRoot said:

    So Yvette Cooper thinks that the Govt's response to the child abuse (in the news today) is a "missed opportunity"

    What the feck was her party doing whilst it was going on?

    Ignoring the problem?
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    Sorry,

    Curse of the new thread ... FPT

    According to the Casey Report, Rotherham authorities are still in denial. It never happened.

    Listening to R5L recently, it appears that offences remain unreported because people still don't believe the people in charge will act.

    Who is to blame? The perpetrators obviously, but also the authorities.

    If the UK were to announce that burglary was no longer a crime if committed by men between say, thirty and fifty years of age, only a small proportion of that population would take advantage - most would not. But if a householder reported a crime, it would be ignored, it would never have taken place. And the numbers would increase despite the official count being nil.

    That's what happened in Rotherham and Oxford and Rochdale etc. Because of PC considerations, a section of the population were allowed to commit a crime and have it ignored. Is it any wonder that it the numbers increased? Yes, only a small section of that group would take advantage, and other groups would carry on as before, but the authorities were guilty of encouraging the increase.

    But I'm not sure how this jail term for people looking the other way can work. Wouldn't you have to prove they knew? Proving someone ignored something is bound to be difficult. First they have to acknowledge a crime took place, then they would have to admit they deliberately ignored it.

    Documentary evidence can easily disappear from locked offices.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    edited March 2015
    Market on which politics trader gets the sack first after May:

    Evens Betfair Sportsbook
    6-4 Corals
    3-1 Skybet
    10-1 Bar :) ?
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    The Daily Mirror has been phone hacking ... yawn, yawn.

    My phone is available for hacking and I'll only charge £2 a day to read the full contents. How many detectives were occupied in the celebrity cases? How many were investigating the Rotherham scandal?
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited March 2015
    When asked to name the single most important issue, the NHS comes third, with immigration and the economy ahead.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    Mr. StClare, lots of files reportedly went missing from Rotherham as well.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I always associate *crumpet* with Nanette Newman. What did she do apart from Fairy Liquid squeaky plate adverts?
    dr_spyn said:

    Beer Baccy & Crumpet Party banned from running in May 2015, yet Electoral Commission happy to allow them to exist in 2012.

    http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/164017/20131017-Political-party-profiles-2012-PDF.pdf

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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pulpstar said:

    Market on which politics trader gets the sack first after May:

    Evens Betfair Sportsbook
    6-4 Corals
    3-1 Skybet
    10-1 Bar :) ?

    There isn't really one trader. There's usually one compiler, and then it's up to the trading team to manage the market (including the 24/7 aspect). So there's a big difference between putting up utter ricks as your opening book, and being caught out when news breaks.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    Miss Plato, what's wrong with crumpet?
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Plato.. I shot a lot of those commercials.. great fun, and she was a lovely girl. She probably didn't need to work for a living as she was married to Bryan Forbes a the time.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I'm very fond of them, and hope to be described as one!
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Miss Plato, what's wrong with crumpet?

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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Ipsos ask two questions.

    1. What would you say is the most important issue facing Britain today?

    2. What do you see as the main/other important issues facing Britain today?

    Just looking at their first response, the NHS doesn't seem like a vote swayer.

    Immigration 18% (Con 21%, Lab 10%, LD 8%, UKIP 64%)
    Economy 15% (Con 31%, Lab 16%, LD 27%, UKIP 3%)
    NHS 12% (Con 8%, Lab 15%, LD 12%, UKIP 3%)
    Unemployment 8% (Con 3%, Lab 13%, LD 13%, UKIP 2%)

    p.10, table 3
    https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/issues-index-tables-feb-2015.pdf

    LD voters top issue is the Economy, UKIP voters top issue is immigration.

    (Green voters are not broken out in the tables.)

    These are the voters Lab/Con need to attract.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    From what you have seen or heard about the proposed cut to tuition fees, do you think the following groups would be better or worse off financially, or would it make no difference to them?

    Students who go on to earn only a low salary 
                          Av   C    L    LD   UK
    Would be better off   32   22   44   34   28
    Would be worse off    10   15    6    6   14
    Wd make no difference 42   50   38   48   41
    Don't know            16   13   11   12   16
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/gxsjii6bmt/TimesRedBoxResults_150302_tuition_fees_W.pdf
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Plato said:

    I'm very fond of them, and hope to be described as one!

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Miss Plato, what's wrong with crumpet?

    Not sure being described as "a" crumpet would be as complimentary as being called "a nice bit of" one :)
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    She always came across as charming, I never liked Una Stubbs.
    richardDodd said:

    Plato.. I shot a lot of those commercials.. great fun, and she was a lovely girl. She probably didn't need to work for a living as she was married to Bryan Forbes a the time.

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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,727
    anotherDave said:

    Ipsos ask two questions.

    1. What would you say is the most important issue facing Britain today?

    2. What do you see as the main/other important issues facing Britain today?

    Just looking at their first response, the NHS doesn't seem like a vote swayer.

    Immigration 18% (Con 21%, Lab 10%, LD 8%, UKIP 64%)
    Economy 15% (Con 31%, Lab 16%, LD 27%, UKIP 3%)
    NHS 12% (Con 8%, Lab 15%, LD 12%, UKIP 3%)
    Unemployment 8% (Con 3%, Lab 13%, LD 13%, UKIP 2%)

    p.10, table 3
    https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/issues-index-tables-feb-2015.pdf

    LD voters top issue is the Economy, UKIP voters top issue is immigration.

    (Green voters are not broken out in the tables.)

    These are the voters Lab/Con need to attract.

    Incredibly low figures (2 % or 3%) for UKIP on the economy, NHS and unemployment
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    The only time I had to throw out a pan was after a failed attempt to make crumpets. Think of horse bone glue mixed with baking soda. It made Evostik look like Pritt.

    Never again. I'd rather eat Pritt than try to make them again!
    JonnyJimmy said:

    Plato said:

    I'm very fond of them, and hope to be described as one!

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Miss Plato, what's wrong with crumpet?

    Not sure being described as "a" crumpet would be as complimentary as being called "a nice bit of" one :)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Tissue_Price said:

    From what you have seen or heard about the proposed cut to tuition fees, do you think the following groups would be better or worse off financially, or would it make no difference to them?

    Students who go on to earn only a low salary

                          Av   C    L    LD   UK
    Would be better off   32   22   44   34   28
    Would be worse off    10   15    6    6   14
    Wd make no difference 42   50   38   48   41
    Don't know            16   13   11   12   16
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/gxsjii6bmt/TimesRedBoxResults_150302_tuition_fees_W.pdf
    The correct answer is

    No Difference
    No Difference

    To the "Average/low" salary question; and better off to the high salary option.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pulpstar said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    From what you have seen or heard about the proposed cut to tuition fees, do you think the following groups would be better or worse off financially, or would it make no difference to them?

    Students who go on to earn only a low salary

                          Av   C    L    LD   UK
    Would be better off   32   22   44   34   28
    Would be worse off    10   15    6    6   14
    Wd make no difference 42   50   38   48   41
    Don't know            16   13   11   12   16
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/gxsjii6bmt/TimesRedBoxResults_150302_tuition_fees_W.pdf
    The correct answer is

    No Difference
    No Difference

    To the "Average/low" salary question; and better off to the high salary option.
    You must be a Tory.
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,352
    Tissue_Price said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    First!

    And a couple for the horsey followers on here.....

    Newcastle
    2.20 Seventeen Black ew 5/1
    4.20 Snowed In ew 5/1

    Would make a nice ew double.

    Off to the London Racing Club's pre-Festival Review Nite tonite. Any glimpses of wisdom will be dutifully reported here tomorrow.

    Now, back to the NHS folks. Sorry for the interruption.

    Cheers PtP. The first of these is available at 7/2 (still e/w) betting without the favourite, which also appeals as an alternative angle.
    Sure TP, if that's how you want to do it I wouldn't put you off.

    All I would point is that these are quite heavy bets for me and like many punters I go in heaviest when I think I've spotted an opposable favorite. That's what is behind these two bets, so naturally betting 'without' doesn't appeal to me on this occasion.

    We'll soon know if I'm wrong!

    Yes I guessed you were opposing the favourite. What I like about the 7/2 isn't so much the extra chance of winning (if the forecast lands), but the chance of getting paid on 4th place.
    Well I was right about the favorite but that's all I got right. They could have paid out on the first six and I still wouldn't have collected. :-(
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited March 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    From what you have seen or heard about the proposed cut to tuition fees, do you think the following groups would be better or worse off financially, or would it make no difference to them?

    Students who go on to earn only a low salary

                          Av   C    L    LD   UK
    Would be better off   32   22   44   34   28
    Would be worse off    10   15    6    6   14
    Wd make no difference 42   50   38   48   41
    Don't know            16   13   11   12   16
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/gxsjii6bmt/TimesRedBoxResults_150302_tuition_fees_W.pdf
    The correct answer is

    No Difference
    No Difference

    To the "Average/low" salary question; and better off to the high salary option.
    Encouraged to see more people have seen Labour's change as bollocks than those who have yet to do so. Scores for "better off" seems a good indication of the general numeracy of each party's support. [I said 'general', as I know PBers of all flavours would have picked correct answer]
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Tissue_Price said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    From what you have seen or heard about the proposed cut to tuition fees, do you think the following groups would be better or worse off financially, or would it make no difference to them?

    Students who go on to earn only a low salary

                          Av   C    L    LD   UK
    Would be better off   32   22   44   34   28
    Would be worse off    10   15    6    6   14
    Wd make no difference 42   50   38   48   41
    Don't know            16   13   11   12   16
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/gxsjii6bmt/TimesRedBoxResults_150302_tuition_fees_W.pdf
    The correct answer is

    No Difference
    No Difference

    To the "Average/low" salary question; and better off to the high salary option.
    You must be a Tory.
    I feel like a fully paid up member of the SNP right now tbh...
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,974
    I'm surprised to see unemployment so high, although interestingly, that's quite a strong subject for the Conservatives these days.

    Overall, the Conservatives need to get the NHS down, and the economy up, in terms of salience.

    The Welsh NHS may be dreadful, but the voters will never be persuaded that Labour are bad on the NHS, anymore than they'll be persuaded that the Conservatives are bad on Defence, despite tons of contrary evidence in both cases.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,660
    Sean_F said:

    I'm surprised to see unemployment so high, although interestingly, that's quite a strong subject for the Conservatives these days.

    Overall, the Conservatives need to get the NHS down, and the economy up, in terms of salience.

    The Welsh NHS may be dreadful, but the voters will never be persuaded that Labour are bad on the NHS, anymore than they'll be persuaded that the Conservatives are bad on Defence, despite tons of contrary evidence in both cases.

    Maybe it's the type of employment. I can't see many of the under 35s in the C2DE category necessarily being thrilled by the types of jobs they do, or that are on offer.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    First!

    And a couple for the horsey followers on here.....

    Newcastle
    2.20 Seventeen Black ew 5/1
    4.20 Snowed In ew 5/1

    Would make a nice ew double.

    Off to the London Racing Club's pre-Festival Review Nite tonite. Any glimpses of wisdom will be dutifully reported here tomorrow.

    Now, back to the NHS folks. Sorry for the interruption.

    Cheers PtP. The first of these is available at 7/2 (still e/w) betting without the favourite, which also appeals as an alternative angle.
    Sure TP, if that's how you want to do it I wouldn't put you off.

    All I would point is that these are quite heavy bets for me and like many punters I go in heaviest when I think I've spotted an opposable favorite. That's what is behind these two bets, so naturally betting 'without' doesn't appeal to me on this occasion.

    We'll soon know if I'm wrong!

    Yes I guessed you were opposing the favourite. What I like about the 7/2 isn't so much the extra chance of winning (if the forecast lands), but the chance of getting paid on 4th place.
    Well I was right about the favorite but that's all I got right. They could have paid out on the first six and I still wouldn't have collected. :-(
    Missed the race, saw the 1-2-3 result, had an inkling I might be proved spectacularly right, wasn't.

    Let's hope your second pin was luckier.
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    Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    edited March 2015
    CD13 said:

    But I'm not sure how this jail term for people looking the other way can work. Wouldn't you have to prove they knew? Proving someone ignored something is bound to be difficult. First they have to acknowledge a crime took place, then they would have to admit they deliberately ignored it.

    No different from the current laws on failing to report money laundering.
    Plato said:

    I always associate *crumpet* with Nanette Newman. What did she do apart from Fairy Liquid squeaky plate adverts?

    dr_spyn said:

    Beer Baccy & Crumpet Party banned from running in May 2015, yet Electoral Commission happy to allow them to exist in 2012.

    http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/164017/20131017-Political-party-profiles-2012-PDF.pdf

    ISTR some TV miniseries in the 1970s - was it called Room at the Top, or something - in which Nanette got pretty much the whole lot out. And splendid she was too, in that Jenny Agutterish not-cover-girl-gorgeous-but-still-gorgeous way of the thirtysomething British actress.

    Blowed if I can remember what else she's done.

    She's a bit like Robert Palmer or Peter Gabriel. I'd never heard of either of them before, respectively, Johnny and Mary in 1980 and Sledgehammer in 1986, but everyone else seemed to be quite clear that they were already famous.

    There's actually quite a few like that. Nigel Havers, for example. One day he just appeared and he'd been famous for ever. Or Alan Rickman before Die Hard.

    Edit: it was Man at the Top (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073342/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_16) but in the trivia it says that "Nanette Newman has indicated in interviews that her nude scenes were provided by a body double". Fooled me!
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    logical_song said:

    anotherDave said:

    Ipsos ask two questions.

    1. What would you say is the most important issue facing Britain today?

    2. What do you see as the main/other important issues facing Britain today?

    Just looking at their first response, the NHS doesn't seem like a vote swayer.

    Immigration 18% (Con 21%, Lab 10%, LD 8%, UKIP 64%)
    Economy 15% (Con 31%, Lab 16%, LD 27%, UKIP 3%)
    NHS 12% (Con 8%, Lab 15%, LD 12%, UKIP 3%)
    Unemployment 8% (Con 3%, Lab 13%, LD 13%, UKIP 2%)

    p.10, table 3
    https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/issues-index-tables-feb-2015.pdf

    LD voters top issue is the Economy, UKIP voters top issue is immigration.

    (Green voters are not broken out in the tables.)

    These are the voters Lab/Con need to attract.

    Incredibly low figures (2 % or 3%) for UKIP on the economy, NHS and unemployment
    ComRes asked some follow up questions on immigration that address those (not broken down by party.)

    Q. "..would you say that immigration is good or bad, or does it have no impact on each of the following?"

    Ecomomy +36% / -40%
    NHS +26% / -55%
    Ability to find a job +8% / -35%

    p.48
    http://comres.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/ITV-News-Index_23rd-February-2015.pdf
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    Can someone explain to me the weightings in IPSOS Mori table, they have Con weighted to 14% and Labour on 27%, that is not reflective of current VI or from 2010. It doesn't make any sense to me.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Tissue_Price said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    First!

    And a couple for the horsey followers on here.....

    Newcastle
    2.20 Seventeen Black ew 5/1
    4.20 Snowed In ew 5/1

    Would make a nice ew double.

    Off to the London Racing Club's pre-Festival Review Nite tonite. Any glimpses of wisdom will be dutifully reported here tomorrow.

    Now, back to the NHS folks. Sorry for the interruption.

    Cheers PtP. The first of these is available at 7/2 (still e/w) betting without the favourite, which also appeals as an alternative angle.
    Sure TP, if that's how you want to do it I wouldn't put you off.

    All I would point is that these are quite heavy bets for me and like many punters I go in heaviest when I think I've spotted an opposable favorite. That's what is behind these two bets, so naturally betting 'without' doesn't appeal to me on this occasion.

    We'll soon know if I'm wrong!

    Yes I guessed you were opposing the favourite. What I like about the 7/2 isn't so much the extra chance of winning (if the forecast lands), but the chance of getting paid on 4th place.
    Well I was right about the favorite but that's all I got right. They could have paid out on the first six and I still wouldn't have collected. :-(
    Missed the race, saw the 1-2-3 result, had an inkling I might be proved spectacularly right, wasn't.

    Let's hope your second pin was luckier.
    Looks like a truly awful day up in Newcastle, second horse is well named for the conditions anyway. Blizzard like.
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Looking at Scotland's answer to the first question (106 unweighted subsample), perhaps Labour should be focused on the Economy rather than the NHS.

    Economy 24% (higher than any other UK region)
    NHS 6% (lower than any other UK region)

    p.6
    https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/issues-index-tables-feb-2015.pdf
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    edited March 2015
    I have emailed Electoral Commission and have pointed out, firstly The Beer, Baccy & Crumpet Party contested The Eastleigh By-Election and secondly that the EC had no problems letting them register in 2012. Am wondering if they are on shaky legal ground re a ban.

    Am feeling bloody minded for some reason.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    Dr. Spyn, nothing wrong with feeling bloody-minded.

    Let us know what reply you get.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Bit strange that economy (Tories supposed strong suit) not as important to people, NHS (Labour's supposed strong suit) more important....Labour share been in decline over the period of its rise in importance, while Tories vote notching up a tad.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Bit strange that economy (Tories supposed strong suit) not as important to people, NHS (Labour's supposed strong suit) more important....Labour share been in decline over the period of its rise in importance, while Tories vote notching up a tad.

    Look at the weightings on page 10, they don't make any sense.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    Six spaceport locations remain in play for the UK:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31711083

    We should have it in England. Scotland could well go its own way in the next decade or two.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    People are less concerned about the economy because it is doing well.

    If employment wasn't down, growth not booming and finances not in better order then it would be top again like 2008.

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited March 2015
    http://order-order.com/2015/03/03/widespread-and-habitual-hacking-at-morgans-mirror/

    I await Ed's outrage and call for a full investigation of all those in important positions at the paper during that time, including his own spin doctor.

    And BBC special about this to come I'm sure?

    "One journalist hacked phones of 100 celebrities every day for 18 months"

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/03/phone-hacking-widespread-mirror-titles-court-told

    No?
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Bit strange that economy (Tories supposed strong suit) not as important to people, NHS (Labour's supposed strong suit) more important....Labour share been in decline over the period of its rise in importance, while Tories vote notching up a tad.

    I do wonder if the NHS is an easy option to give when you've exhausted your personal 'hot topics'. Makes you look caring to the pretty pollster, too.

    Do IM prompt on that question?
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Just looking at Shadsy's GE specials and my eye is caught by;

    "Exact vote tie in any seat 33/1"

    It doesn't specify that it means a dead heat for first place. Does that mean if any two parties tie for votes anywhere in the list for any seat, then the vote is a winner?

    If so that sounds like value, though I haven't given it any statistical analysis..
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,227
    CD13 said:

    Sorry,

    Curse of the new thread ... FPT


    But I'm not sure how this jail term for people looking the other way can work. Wouldn't you have to prove they knew? Proving someone ignored something is bound to be difficult. First they have to acknowledge a crime took place, then they would have to admit they deliberately ignored it.

    Documentary evidence can easily disappear from locked offices.

    You make them responsible by virtue of their position. So if you are in charge of social services and the girls are in care and are being trafficked, you are responsible for not preventing that. Your only defence would be to show that you had taken all reasonable steps to prevent it - and that means something more than just writing a policy.

    People want to have all the kudos of being in charge - the title, the status, the big team, the money etc. Well, they have to learn that with that goes responsibility. So if something goes wrong, the buck stops with them.
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    peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,875
    "Only Ed Miliband can stop Labour now"

    says Martin Baxter in today's Daily Telegraph.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    O/T

    If your footie club is owned by a spiv only interested in the money not the sport then don't stand for it - you can make positive change.

    A good day.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/11447097/Derek-Llambias-to-quit-Rangers-as-Dave-King-declares-victory.html
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Six spaceport locations remain in play for the UK:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31711083

    We should have it in England. Scotland could well go its own way in the next decade or two.


    Most are in Scotland, who (as you say) could go their own way and take the spaceport with them.

    Perhaps we should choose the Welsh one. Hmmm. What if they decide to go independent?

    Perhaps its safest to pick the English one. Cornwall. Is Cornwall safe?

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    peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,875
    JonnyJimmy said:

    Just looking at Shadsy's GE specials and my eye is caught by;

    "Exact vote tie in any seat 33/1"

    It doesn't specify that it means a dead heat for first place. Does that mean if any two parties tie for votes anywhere in the list for any seat, then the vote is a winner?

    If so that sounds like value, though I haven't given it any statistical analysis..

    I'm sure this is value were it to apply to any two candidates tieing for votes in any seat. I'm equally sure that the usually sure-footed Shadsy is only referring to a tie for first place in which case these are singularly bad odds, if only for the fact that they will keep having recounts until a winner finally emerges. You could of course place a bet and argue the toss after the event. Laddies may after all decide to pay out of the goodness *cough* of their heart!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    Mr. Hopkins, unlikely Wales will (3% of the population, 2% of the wealth).

    Cornwall would be a little safer if the brainless clown Clegg hadn't thrown an unwanted minority status at them.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    F1: pre-season thoughts here:
    http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/testing-thoughts.html

    Remember, Alonso won't be in Oz. Unfortunately, I couldn't see a classified market, so there was no way to take advantage.
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    http://order-order.com/2015/03/03/widespread-and-habitual-hacking-at-morgans-mirror/

    I await Ed's outrage and call for a full investigation of all those in important positions at the paper during that time, including his own spin doctor.

    And BBC special about this to come I'm sure?

    "One journalist hacked phones of 100 celebrities every day for 18 months"

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/03/phone-hacking-widespread-mirror-titles-court-told

    No?

    Miliband will be calling for Trinity Mirror journalists to be pardoned.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Mr. Hopkins, unlikely Wales will (3% of the population, 2% of the wealth).

    And of course, any new ways to get rich are being ruthlessly shut down (such as a complete moratorium on fracking).

    The last thing, the very last thing labour want is for Wales to become prosperous. Oh dear me no. Where would labour be without all that subsistence, poverty and poor health and educational outcomes?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    anotherDave said:



    LD voters top issue is the Economy, UKIP voters top issue is immigration.

    (Green voters are not broken out in the tables.)

    These are the voters Lab/Con need to attract.

    The LD voters Labour needs to attract have already been attracted. They just need to keep them.

    Labour has nothing to say on either the Economy or Immigration. The Tories can at least talk about the Economy....it's not on the verboten list for them.

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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    peter_from_putney said:

    "Only Ed Miliband can stop Labour now"

    says Martin Baxter in today's Daily Telegraph.

    Interesting closing thought:

    "Common sense suggests that the gap between Labour's support and their leader's ratings will shrink when voters are face to face with a ballot paper. But this could happen in two ways. Either support for Miliband goes up as Labour supporters swallow their doubts, or else Labour votes go down as Miliband-sceptics put their crosses elsewhere. No-one knows for sure, but the historical record suggests the latter possibility is more likely."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11446252/Campaign-Calculus-Only-Ed-Miliband-can-stop-Labour-now.html

    Do we have this historical record anywhere?
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,062
    There's little chance of me voting Labour at the next election. That may surprise many on here given that I generally attack the coalition from the left. Given I live in a safe Labour seat that hardly matters. However if Ed Miliband were to get up in PMQs and bring up the phone hacking issue again with special reference to The Mirror and their indiscretions I'd have new found respect for him and might, just might, consider putting the X in their box.
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    GarethofthevaleGarethofthevale Posts: 503
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Bit strange that economy (Tories supposed strong suit) not as important to people, NHS (Labour's supposed strong suit) more important....Labour share been in decline over the period of its rise in importance, while Tories vote notching up a tad.

    I wouldn't agree that the economy is not as important. This question is not measuring absolute importance but relative importance. As the economy has improved, it has become relatively less of an issue compared to other things. That doesn't mean it won't still be a major issue at the election.

    I notice that the NHS has slipped this month. It might slip again in coming months as worries about a winter A&E crisis fade.

    One other comment is that certain issues will have more resonance with certain segments of the population e.g. education will be a much higher priority of parents of school age children
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,974
    MarqueeMark said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    "Only Ed Miliband can stop Labour now"

    says Martin Baxter in today's Daily Telegraph.

    Interesting closing thought:

    "Common sense suggests that the gap between Labour's support and their leader's ratings will shrink when voters are face to face with a ballot paper. But this could happen in two ways. Either support for Miliband goes up as Labour supporters swallow their doubts, or else Labour votes go down as Miliband-sceptics put their crosses elsewhere. No-one knows for sure, but the historical record suggests the latter possibility is more likely."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11446252/Campaign-Calculus-Only-Ed-Miliband-can-stop-Labour-now.html

    Do we have this historical record anywhere?
    The Conservatives should thank their stars that Ed Milliband is Leader of the Opposition. He's kept them in the game, and now they may be pulling ahead.
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,352
    Pulpstar said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    First!

    And a couple for the horsey followers on here.....

    Newcastle
    2.20 Seventeen Black ew 5/1
    4.20 Snowed In ew 5/1

    Would make a nice ew double.

    Off to the London Racing Club's pre-Festival Review Nite tonite. Any glimpses of wisdom will be dutifully reported here tomorrow.

    Now, back to the NHS folks. Sorry for the interruption.

    Cheers PtP. The first of these is available at 7/2 (still e/w) betting without the favourite, which also appeals as an alternative angle.
    Sure TP, if that's how you want to do it I wouldn't put you off.

    All I would point is that these are quite heavy bets for me and like many punters I go in heaviest when I think I've spotted an opposable favorite. That's what is behind these two bets, so naturally betting 'without' doesn't appeal to me on this occasion.

    We'll soon know if I'm wrong!

    Yes I guessed you were opposing the favourite. What I like about the 7/2 isn't so much the extra chance of winning (if the forecast lands), but the chance of getting paid on 4th place.
    Well I was right about the favorite but that's all I got right. They could have paid out on the first six and I still wouldn't have collected. :-(
    Missed the race, saw the 1-2-3 result, had an inkling I might be proved spectacularly right, wasn't.

    Let's hope your second pin was luckier.
    Looks like a truly awful day up in Newcastle, second horse is well named for the conditions anyway. Blizzard like.
    Don't think it was the weather that stopped my one. It did however jump as though it was feeling an injury. No way of knowing, of course, but it didn't jump normally. Between the hurdles it was ok, but it was given away lengths at each obstacle.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    peter_from_putney said:

    JonnyJimmy said:

    Just looking at Shadsy's GE specials and my eye is caught by;

    "Exact vote tie in any seat 33/1"

    It doesn't specify that it means a dead heat for first place. Does that mean if any two parties tie for votes anywhere in the list for any seat, then the vote is a winner?

    If so that sounds like value, though I haven't given it any statistical analysis..

    I'm sure this is value were it to apply to any two candidates tieing for votes in any seat. I'm equally sure that the usually sure-footed Shadsy is only referring to a tie for first place in which case these are singularly bad odds, if only for the fact that they will keep having recounts until a winner finally emerges. You could of course place a bet and argue the toss after the event. Laddies may after all decide to pay out of the goodness *cough* of their heart!
    It's on first place, based on the discussion I had with him and others on twitter about it.

    If it is actually a tie, no matter how many recounts you have it will be a tie in the end.

    The chance of it actually being a tie is approximately n/2001, where n is the number of constituencies with a projected majority <=1000 (i.e. close enough that random variance might land you on 0). You could use n/1001 with a <=500 threshold, or whatever you think best.

    By my model n = 57 so the chance of it being a tie is about 1 in 35. So the 33/1 isn't too bad...
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    FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    MarkHopkins said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Six spaceport locations remain in play for the UK:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31711083

    We should have it in England. Scotland could well go its own way in the next decade or two.


    Most are in Scotland, who (as you say) could go their own way and take the spaceport with them.

    Perhaps we should choose the Welsh one. Hmmm. What if they decide to go independent?

    Perhaps its safest to pick the English one. Cornwall. Is Cornwall safe?

    'Spaceport'? Is this serious?
    'low cost rocket planes' ?? Yes we have heard all that before. Tell that to Richard Branson.
    Low cost, with all the options in the far extremes of the country?

    Since the 'spaceport' will be no more than a glorified converted RAF runway I do not think there is much for Scotland to take away should it choose.
    I've been to Stornaway, the Outer Hebrides have some lovely windswept beaches. Is anyone at all seriously suggesting we launch rockets or 'rocket planes' from there?

    You will be telling me next there is an election looming.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Dr. Spyn, nothing wrong with feeling bloody-minded.

    Let us know what reply you get.

    I refer you to Janesh's article: "feeling vaguely cussed (in other words, British)"
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    peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,875
    edited March 2015
    MarqueeMark said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    "Only Ed Miliband can stop Labour now"

    says Martin Baxter in today's Daily Telegraph.

    Interesting closing thought:

    "Common sense suggests that the gap between Labour's support and their leader's ratings will shrink when voters are face to face with a ballot paper. But this could happen in two ways. Either support for Miliband goes up as Labour supporters swallow their doubts, or else Labour votes go down as Miliband-sceptics put their crosses elsewhere. No-one knows for sure, but the historical record suggests the latter possibility is more likely."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11446252/Campaign-Calculus-Only-Ed-Miliband-can-stop-Labour-now.html

    Do we have this historical record anywhere?
    Yes, I saw that - a case of Martin hedging his bets I thought. Not sure to what "historical records" he is referring.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    Charles said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Dr. Spyn, nothing wrong with feeling bloody-minded.

    Let us know what reply you get.

    I refer you to Janesh's article: "feeling vaguely cussed (in other words, British)"
    Janan Ganesh, Esq. (@JGaneshEsq)
    03/03/2015 07:45
    Thesaurus and chai latte at the ready. Time to put quill to parchment. I feel a column coming on.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Rolf Harris has been stripped of his CBE according to BBC ticker.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    isam said:

    Charles said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Dr. Spyn, nothing wrong with feeling bloody-minded.

    Let us know what reply you get.

    I refer you to Janesh's article: "feeling vaguely cussed (in other words, British)"
    Janan Ganesh, Esq. (@JGaneshEsq)
    03/03/2015 07:45
    Thesaurus and chai latte at the ready. Time to put quill to parchment. I feel a column coming on.
    I admit that his modus operandi may be, shall we say, unusual

    But it doesn't make him wrong.

    Anyway, I rather like chai latte ;)
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,352
    SimonStClare said:

    Rolf Harris has been stripped of his CBE according to BBC ticker.

    That'll learn him.
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    FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Artist said:

    rottenborough said:

    Newstatesman poll has 75% of Labour candidates against renewal of Trident. Room here, for a SNP deal?

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/exclusive-75-labour-ppcs-oppose-trident-renewal

    There are going to be a lot of lefties in the House of Commons after May.
    Not if people realise what is going on and vote Tory.

    This leftward lurch of the SNP, driven that way by the exodus of lefty labourites post referendum, is surely significant.
    Was the only purpose behind the Scottish Independence Movement the far left anti nuclear campaign?
    A lot of people must have had different motives than that but since the referendum was still lost, well do they happily go along with the new improved washes lefter than left SNP?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    Flightpath said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Six spaceport locations remain in play for the UK:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31711083

    We should have it in England. Scotland could well go its own way in the next decade or two.


    Most are in Scotland, who (as you say) could go their own way and take the spaceport with them.

    Perhaps we should choose the Welsh one. Hmmm. What if they decide to go independent?

    Perhaps its safest to pick the English one. Cornwall. Is Cornwall safe?

    'Spaceport'? Is this serious?
    'low cost rocket planes' ?? Yes we have heard all that before. Tell that to Richard Branson.
    Low cost, with all the options in the far extremes of the country?

    Since the 'spaceport' will be no more than a glorified converted RAF runway I do not think there is much for Scotland to take away should it choose.
    I've been to Stornaway, the Outer Hebrides have some lovely windswept beaches. Is anyone at all seriously suggesting we launch rockets or 'rocket planes' from there?

    You will be telling me next there is an election looming.
    If it is Campbeltown, it will be RAF Macrihanish.

    An interesting place. The runway is absolutely vast. Was rumoured to be a stop-off point for the top-secret Aurora spy plane. Also B-2 stealth bombers went through there after 9/11. And plenty of special forces training around and abouts.

    The tin-foil hat brigade linked the Mull of Kintyre Chinook disaster to activities at Macrihanish. Who knows. If it is being put forward as a space port, that rather suggests its military status may have been downgraded.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    FrankBooth said:

    There's little chance of me voting Labour at the next election. That may surprise many on here given that I generally attack the coalition from the left. Given I live in a safe Labour seat that hardly matters. However if Ed Miliband were to get up in PMQs and bring up the phone hacking issue again with special reference to The Mirror and their indiscretions I'd have new found respect for him and might, just might, consider putting the X in their box.

    Does Miliband have any ex-Mirror hacks on his staff ?

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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I still can't quite believe it all re Rolf. Savile was always creepy, Hall I can imagineat a stretch, Rolf seemed so nice.

    Shows you can't tell.
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Rolf Harris has been stripped of his CBE according to BBC ticker.

    That'll learn him.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    SimonStClare said:

    Rolf Harris has been stripped of his CBE according to BBC ticker.

    Unfortunate Rolf Harris Sketch - Not The Nine O'Clock News

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkzxGr4Yx8U
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    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Charles said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Dr. Spyn, nothing wrong with feeling bloody-minded.

    Let us know what reply you get.

    I refer you to Janesh's article: "feeling vaguely cussed (in other words, British)"
    Janan Ganesh, Esq. (@JGaneshEsq)
    03/03/2015 07:45
    Thesaurus and chai latte at the ready. Time to put quill to parchment. I feel a column coming on.
    I admit that his modus operandi may be, shall we say, unusual

    But it doesn't make him wrong.

    Anyway, I rather like chai latte ;)
    Janan Ganesh, Esq. (@JGaneshEsq)
    10/02/2015 13:44
    Always use the pretentious alternative. For example, instead of saying “I have a hangover”, try “J’ai la gueule de bois”. #GaneshStyleTips
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited March 2015
    TGOHF said:

    FrankBooth said:

    There's little chance of me voting Labour at the next election. That may surprise many on here given that I generally attack the coalition from the left. Given I live in a safe Labour seat that hardly matters. However if Ed Miliband were to get up in PMQs and bring up the phone hacking issue again with special reference to The Mirror and their indiscretions I'd have new found respect for him and might, just might, consider putting the X in their box.

    Does Miliband have any ex-Mirror hacks on his staff ?

    His spin doctor Bob Roberts.

    He has all the scandal hit papers covered with his advisors...Mirror, News International, Telegraph.

    Meet Team Miliband – the 'poisonous and dysfunctional' political pack behind Ed's campaign for No.10 http://specc.ie/1iPjNMF
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