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  • O/T

    Who do we think should be happier with yesterday's polls? If you were at Party HQ, would you prefer two narrow wins, a draw and a heavy defeat? Or would you think the defeat trumped the other three polls?

    Score draw?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Mr. B, surely the knights could be dropped off outside the Cathedral?

    Mr. B [part 2], indeed, the modern day 'caliphate' is far less civilised than perhaps every previous iteration.

    It's a marvelous vision - the cab pulls up at the entrance to the cathedral, the knights get out and retrieve their weapons from the baggage area, ask the cabbie to wait, and then go into the cathedral.

    Describing the current 'caliphate' as civilised is a use of the term civilised with which I am not familiar.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806

    There was a time when the CoE would take the lead on moral scandals such as the abuse of young girls.... Sad how they ignore beams and focus on motes.

    There was a time when the Cof E would take the lead and tell people not to have sex before marriage, not to have children out of wedlock etc, etc. But they chjickened out.

  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited February 2015

    Oh dear, talk about weaponising the NHS, and then blowing off your foot

    Scottish Labour leader deletes YouTube video after getting NHS stats wrong

    Jim Murphy deletes video and tweet after making false claims about cancelled hospital operations in Scotland based on misread figures

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/17/scottish-labour-leader-deletes-youtube-video-nhs-stats-wrong?CMP=share_btn_tw

    I think the best response comes from the ever-excellent Angry Salmond
    [Edit to remove embedding]
  • Mr. Jimmy, if unemployment's down then the bishops' wording is misleading to the point of deceit.

    Mr. Gift, the space cannon can fire smaller yield weaponry, or even tungsten rods on a high trajectory (unconventional, but effective), to destroy smaller parts of the constituency.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Scott_P said:

    Is this their new game show?

    @steve_hawkes: Ed Miliband: "I've got 78 days to persuade Ant and Dec back on board, and I'm sure we can."

    Actually, that's quite smart of ed.

    Jump on the ant & dec story and risk his credibility on converting them back to labour. He could do a personal Q&A thing - invite them over to his house with an ITV crew etc etc.

    More gambles like this please ed :)
  • O/T

    Who do we think should be happier with yesterday's polls? If you were at Party HQ, would you prefer two narrow wins, a draw and a heavy defeat? Or would you think the defeat trumped the other three polls?

    Score draw?

    If I were at either of the main party's HQs, I would be fretting. But that's my temperament.
  • O/T

    Who do we think should be happier with yesterday's polls? If you were at Party HQ, would you prefer two narrow wins, a draw and a heavy defeat? Or would you think the defeat trumped the other three polls?

    Score draw?

    I think they are a bit more sophisticated than that, and realise all four polls are consistent with it being neck and neck.

    Though the gold standard would have more of an impact.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Mr Dancer -

    Red Bull TV has a 6 part series on how Max Verstappen got to be their driver.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    TGOHF said:

    "underestimate the ongoing appeal of Labour"

    Hilarious - outside the vested interest group of public sector workers there is no appeal.

    Obviously, Labour have an ongoing appeal. I don't know why, but there's no point denying it.
  • Pong said:

    Scott_P said:

    Is this their new game show?

    @steve_hawkes: Ed Miliband: "I've got 78 days to persuade Ant and Dec back on board, and I'm sure we can."

    Actually, that's quite smart of ed.

    Jump on the ant & dec story and risk his credibility on converting them back to labour. He could do a personal Q&A thing - invite them over to his house with an ITV crew etc etc.

    More gambles like this please ed :)
    Winning the nation, one celebrity at a time. As in Absolutely Fabulous, we might hear that Lulu is hanging by a thread.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    O/T

    Who do we think should be happier with yesterday's polls? If you were at Party HQ, would you prefer two narrow wins, a draw and a heavy defeat? Or would you think the defeat trumped the other three polls?

    Score draw?

    I think the Tories. Just. Reasoning is that there have been a few 'outliers' which had the Tories dropping sharply. ICM is the first I can remember that runs the other way, and I think the pollster has more credibility than Lord A.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Pong said:

    Scott_P said:

    Is this their new game show?

    @steve_hawkes: Ed Miliband: "I've got 78 days to persuade Ant and Dec back on board, and I'm sure we can."

    Actually, that's quite smart of ed.

    Jump on the ant & dec story and risk his credibility on converting them back to labour. He could do a personal Q&A thing - invite them over to his house with an ITV crew etc etc.

    More gambles like this please ed :)
    Hostage to fortune there - there will be a running commentary.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Who do we think should be happier with yesterday's polls?

    Does it matter? the Conservatives are united and confident. Labour are dispirited and unhappy.

    I wonder if the tories have something up their sleeves. I wonder if its the budget. As BenM and others have said, the next set of Public finance data will be interesting.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited February 2015
    In my experience among family,friends and acquaintances..more Conservative supporters go to church than Labour supporters.
    Perhaps the legitimately elected representatives of the British people,MPs, should sit in and vote at the General Synod.
  • perdix said:

    There was a time when the CoE would take the lead on moral scandals such as the abuse of young girls.... Sad how they ignore beams and focus on motes.

    There was a time when the Cof E would take the lead and tell people not to have sex before marriage, not to have children out of wedlock etc, etc. But they chjickened out.

    "Know ye that the Lord God was NOT married to the baby-mama of His only begotten Son" - Psunils, 17:2:15
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    Tim_B said:

    Mr. B, surely the knights could be dropped off outside the Cathedral?.

    I believe there's a Park-n-Ride scheme.
    "Will no one rid me of these turbulent priests?"

    "Only if they validate parking and drop us off right at the door, have enough space for sword storage and will wait to take us back to our car afterwards."

    It loses something somehow.....
    My sympathies have always been with Henry II. Thomas Becket was insufferable.
  • Mr. B, I'm unfamiliar with the concept of Red Bull TV. Presuming it's not on freeview?
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited February 2015
    TGOHF said:

    Pong said:

    Scott_P said:

    Is this their new game show?

    @steve_hawkes: Ed Miliband: "I've got 78 days to persuade Ant and Dec back on board, and I'm sure we can."

    Actually, that's quite smart of ed.

    Jump on the ant & dec story and risk his credibility on converting them back to labour. He could do a personal Q&A thing - invite them over to his house with an ITV crew etc etc.

    More gambles like this please ed :)
    Hostage to fortune there - there will be a running commentary.
    How about Ed & Justine appear on 'Gogglebox'? Picture the scene, the pair of them cuddled up on the organic hemp sofa, knocking back non-alcoholic Fairtrade mung bean and lemon grass smoothies, commenting on Open University Lesson 3.1 'Marxism in the 20th Century'. What's not to like?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    edited February 2015

    Mr. B, I'm unfamiliar with the concept of Red Bull TV. Presuming it's not on freeview?

    You can access it on t'interweb

    http://www.redbull.tv/

    Edit: The Max V story can be viewed here

    http://www.redbull.tv/shows/AP-1GMEK8T1D1W11/max-verstappen-the-next-generation
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    In my experience among family,friends and acquaintances..more Conservative supporters go to church than Labour supporters

  • Since the C of E is now an unmitigated failure as a religious sect, it is no surprise that they are branching out into politics. They are the "LibDems" of modern religions - a once glorious past but now believing in little and failing to attract congregations.
  • O/T

    Who do we think should be happier with yesterday's polls? If you were at Party HQ, would you prefer two narrow wins, a draw and a heavy defeat? Or would you think the defeat trumped the other three polls?

    Score draw?

    Well, the simple average of Ashcroft/ICM/Populus/YG shows the Blue Team 0.3% in the lead, but ELBOW shows the Red Team out in front by 0.6%...

    Take your pick :)
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Mr. B, I'm unfamiliar with the concept of Red Bull TV. Presuming it's not on freeview?

    Start here -

    http://www.redbull.tv/

    I watch it via my Amazon Fire TV box.
  • Mr. Eagles, newfangled technology, eh? Cheers. Although, if my books are delayed I shall be sure to inform the small legion of disappointed fans that you and Mr. B are entirely to blame.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    perdix said:

    There was a time when the CoE would take the lead on moral scandals such as the abuse of young girls.... Sad how they ignore beams and focus on motes.

    There was a time when the Cof E would take the lead and tell people not to have sex before marriage, not to have children out of wedlock etc, etc. But they chjickened out.

    "Know ye that the Lord God was NOT married to the baby-mama of His only begotten Son" - Psunils, 17:2:15
    Joseph was either very stupid, very gullible, or utterly besotted.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538

    In my experience among family,friends and acquaintances..more Conservative supporters go to church than Labour supporters.
    Perhaps the legitimately elected representatives of the British people,MPs, should sit in and vote at the General Synod.

    According to the BES, people who self-identify as Anglicans were about 10% more Conservative than the population as a whole in 2010. Among regular attenders, I should think that identification with the Conservatives is stronger still.

  • Anorak said:

    perdix said:

    There was a time when the CoE would take the lead on moral scandals such as the abuse of young girls.... Sad how they ignore beams and focus on motes.

    There was a time when the Cof E would take the lead and tell people not to have sex before marriage, not to have children out of wedlock etc, etc. But they chjickened out.

    "Know ye that the Lord God was NOT married to the baby-mama of His only begotten Son" - Psunils, 17:2:15
    Joseph was either very stupid, very gullible, or utterly besotted.
    Christianity: One woman's lie about adultery that got out of hand.
  • Mr. Eagles, newfangled technology, eh? Cheers. Although, if my books are delayed I shall be sure to inform the small legion of disappointed fans that you and Mr. B are entirely to blame.

    I edited my original comment with a link to the Max V show
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Pong said:

    Actually, that's quite smart of ed.

    Jump on the ant & dec story and risk his credibility on converting them back to labour. He could do a personal Q&A thing - invite them over to his house with an ITV crew etc etc.

    More gambles like this please ed :)

    Already being openly mocked. What is Labour's big pitch to the electorate to persuade them Ed should be PM?

    He wants Ant and Dec to vote for him...
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    Mr. Jimmy, if unemployment's down then the bishops' wording is misleading to the point of deceit.

    Have just tweeted to the church on this -

    @JonnyJimmy: @c_of_e why do you imply, in sec111 of your letter today, that unemployment has risen? It is a deceit unworthy of you. You should retract it
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Mr. Eagles, newfangled technology, eh? Cheers. Although, if my books are delayed I shall be sure to inform the small legion of disappointed fans that you and Mr. B are entirely to blame.

    I edited my original comment with a link to the Max V show
    I wanted him to have to work a bit to find it - he'll appreciate it more :-)
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Bit one sided isn't it..... pic.twitter.com/iIM5AbF8od

    — peter overton (@overton951) February 17, 2015
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    There is a saying in Italian - "Ogni ciuccio e bello a Mamma sua" - which means, broadly, every baby is beautiful to its mother.

    Given that both main parties can barely muster a third of voters to vote for them (according to the polls), it's probably fair to say that neither of them have much ongoing appeal to anyone beyond their own supporters.

    They're both as useless, heartless and unappealing as each other, frankly.

    For me, it's like having the choice of anchovies or capers on toast for my tea. Both equally disgusting.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    O/T

    Who do we think should be happier with yesterday's polls? If you were at Party HQ, would you prefer two narrow wins, a draw and a heavy defeat? Or would you think the defeat trumped the other three polls?

    Score draw?

    The Tories surely?

    3 showing basically neck & neck + one (probably outlier) that shows victory is possible
  • perdix said:

    There was a time when the CoE would take the lead on moral scandals such as the abuse of young girls.... Sad how they ignore beams and focus on motes.

    There was a time when the Cof E would take the lead and tell people not to have sex before marriage, not to have children out of wedlock etc, etc. But they chjickened out.

    I think you will find that Jesus spent more time attacking the authorities and exhorting against poverty than he did reprimanding people's sexual choices.

    to quote Isaiah 58

    “In fact, in the day of your fast you find pleasure,
    And exploit all your laborers.
    4 Indeed you fast for strife and debate,
    And to strike with the fist of wickedness.
    You will not fast as you do this day,
    To make your voice heard on high.
    5 Is it a fast that I have chosen,
    A day for a man to afflict his soul?
    Is it to bow down his head like a bulrush,
    And to spread out sackcloth and ashes?
    Would you call this a fast,
    And an acceptable day to the Lord?
    6 “Is this not the fast that I have chosen:
    To loose the bonds of wickedness,
    To undo the heavy burdens,
    To let the oppressed go free,
    And that you break every yoke?
    7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
    And that you bring to your house the poor who are cast out;
    When you see the naked, that you cover him,
    And not hide yourself from your own flesh?
    8 Then your light shall break forth like the morning,
    Your healing shall spring forth speedily,
    And your righteousness shall go before you;
    The glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard.
    9 Then you shall call, and the Lord will answer;
    You shall cry, and He will say, ‘Here I am.’
  • Will probably watch an episode a day, or suchlike. Mostly promotional guff, as you'd expect, but there was a nugget of potential interest. He could have an advantage in the wet, judging by episode 1.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Cyclefree said:

    There is a saying in Italian - "Ogni ciuccio e bello a Mamma sua" - which means, broadly, every baby is beautiful to its mother.

    Given that both main parties can barely muster a third of voters to vote for them (according to the polls), it's probably fair to say that neither of them have much ongoing appeal to anyone beyond their own supporters.

    They're both as useless, heartless and unappealing as each other, frankly.

    For me, it's like having the choice of anchovies or capers on toast for my tea. Both equally disgusting.

    anchovies please
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    In my experience among family,friends and acquaintances..more Conservative supporters go to church than Labour supporters.
    Perhaps the legitimately elected representatives of the British people,MPs, should sit in and vote at the General Synod.

    It was quite controversial when the House of Commons voted down the 1928 edition of the Book of Common Prayer
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Will probably watch an episode a day, or suchlike. Mostly promotional guff, as you'd expect, but there was a nugget of potential interest. He could have an advantage in the wet, judging by episode 1.

    They also have good WRC coverage.
  • Mr. BC1, welcome to pb.com.

    Mr. Jimmy, let us know what the reply is. If you get one.

    Mr. Anorak/Eagles, it's odd that the Church has changed its mind over three parent kids, though. ;)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Daily Mail coverage of the ICM poll seems to have brought out the Kippers in the comments.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538

    Will probably watch an episode a day, or suchlike. Mostly promotional guff, as you'd expect, but there was a nugget of potential interest. He could have an advantage in the wet, judging by episode 1.

    I enjoyed the first two episodes of Season Four, A Game of Thrones, last night.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    edited February 2015
    Mr. B, unfortunately I spend enough (maybe too much time) on F1 as it is. I can't really afford to get into another sport seriously.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. F, due to my cast-iron self-discipline, I only watched the first episode. Do you ever listen to the commentaries? Some are really good. The actors and director speaking over Episode 9 of series 2 was very enjoyable, as was the one (forget the number) in the first series which had Harry Lloyd et al. talking.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    More proof of global warming - it is going down to 9 degrees Fahrenheit here on Wednesday overnight.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Sean_F said:

    Will probably watch an episode a day, or suchlike. Mostly promotional guff, as you'd expect, but there was a nugget of potential interest. He could have an advantage in the wet, judging by episode 1.

    I enjoyed the first two episodes of Season Four, A Game of Thrones, last night.
    Is that a new one ? Or you're watching DVDs ?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Tim_B said:

    More proof of global warming - it is going down to 9 degrees Fahrenheit here on Wednesday overnight.

    Nice troll. I'll bite (well, nibble). Here's xkcd: http://xkcd.com/1321/
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Tim_B said:

    More proof of global warming - it is going down to 9 degrees Fahrenheit here on Wednesday overnight.

    One data point ho hum...
  • Cyclefree said:

    There is a saying in Italian - "Ogni ciuccio e bello a Mamma sua" - which means, broadly, every baby is beautiful to its mother.

    Given that both main parties can barely muster a third of voters to vote for them (according to the polls), it's probably fair to say that neither of them have much ongoing appeal to anyone beyond their own supporters.

    They're both as useless, heartless and unappealing as each other, frankly.

    For me, it's like having the choice of anchovies or capers on toast for my tea. Both equally disgusting.

    Cameron v. Miliband - whoever wins, we lose :(
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    grahambc1 said:

    perdix said:

    There was a time when the CoE would take the lead on moral scandals such as the abuse of young girls.... Sad how they ignore beams and focus on motes.

    There was a time when the Cof E would take the lead and tell people not to have sex before marriage, not to have children out of wedlock etc, etc. But they chjickened out.

    I think you will find that Jesus spent more time attacking the authorities and exhorting against poverty than he did reprimanding people's sexual choices.

    to quote Isaiah 58

    “In fact, in the day of your fast you find pleasure,
    And exploit all your laborers.
    4 Indeed you fast for strife and debate,
    And to strike with the fist of wickedness.
    You will not fast as you do this day,
    To make your voice heard on high.
    5 Is it a fast that I have chosen,
    A day for a man to afflict his soul?
    Is it to bow down his head like a bulrush,
    And to spread out sackcloth and ashes?
    Would you call this a fast,
    And an acceptable day to the Lord?
    6 “Is this not the fast that I have chosen:
    To loose the bonds of wickedness,
    To undo the heavy burdens,
    To let the oppressed go free,
    And that you break every yoke?
    7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
    And that you bring to your house the poor who are cast out;
    When you see the naked, that you cover him,
    And not hide yourself from your own flesh?
    8 Then your light shall break forth like the morning,
    Your healing shall spring forth speedily,
    And your righteousness shall go before you;
    The glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard.
    9 Then you shall call, and the Lord will answer;
    You shall cry, and He will say, ‘Here I am.’
    Isn't Isaiah in the Old Testament? And wasn't there something in Thessalonians about he who does not work, neither shall he eat?

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Anorak said:

    Tim_B said:

    More proof of global warming - it is going down to 9 degrees Fahrenheit here on Wednesday overnight.

    Nice troll. I'll bite (well, nibble). Here's xkcd: http://xkcd.com/1321/
    Not trolling - just amused at whether it's warm temperatures or tons of snow, somehow everything seems to point to global warming.

    That's a real stat for Atlanta on Wednesday night.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited February 2015
    Scott_P said:

    Pong said:

    Actually, that's quite smart of ed.

    Jump on the ant & dec story and risk his credibility on converting them back to labour. He could do a personal Q&A thing - invite them over to his house with an ITV crew etc etc.

    More gambles like this please ed :)

    Already being openly mocked. What is Labour's big pitch to the electorate to persuade them Ed should be PM?

    He wants Ant and Dec to vote for him...
    He's being openly mocked by tribal tories and kippers. Do you think he cares?

    Dismiss ant and dec at your peril. Normal people relate to them. Normal people watch ant & dec on a saturday night instead of engaging in our geeky, partisan running commentary on PB. :)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    Cyclefree said:

    There is a saying in Italian - "Ogni ciuccio e bello a Mamma sua" - which means, broadly, every baby is beautiful to its mother.

    Given that both main parties can barely muster a third of voters to vote for them (according to the polls), it's probably fair to say that neither of them have much ongoing appeal to anyone beyond their own supporters.

    They're both as useless, heartless and unappealing as each other, frankly.

    For me, it's like having the choice of anchovies or capers on toast for my tea. Both equally disgusting.

    Cameron v. Miliband - whoever wins, we lose :(
    The only voters who are actually positively voting FOR something in a big way this election are the Scots. Now I know it's not to most English tastes, but I'm glad they might finally see the back of the most negative party in the history of ever - Scottish Labour.
  • According to my calculations (which are sometimes correct!), there should be a TNS online poll due this week (fieldwork ending today).
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Tim_B said:

    Anorak said:

    Tim_B said:

    More proof of global warming - it is going down to 9 degrees Fahrenheit here on Wednesday overnight.

    Nice troll. I'll bite (well, nibble). Here's xkcd: http://xkcd.com/1321/
    Not trolling - just amused at whether it's warm temperatures or tons of snow, somehow everything seems to point to global warming.

    That's a real stat for Atlanta on Wednesday night.
    The real cause of global warming is hot, angry people on the internet. http://xkcd.com/386/
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    More negative newsprint on the Hillary campaign. So far, the stories of Hillary as a loser are all coming from the right wing press, such as this piece. But every story has at least some evidence to back up its case. This dissension within Hillary's camp has been widely reported in the liberal press too. All of which is strengthening my gut feeling she may not run and if she does, she will lose. To win in this election cycle, the Dems need someone who believes and who shows it with passion. There is no passion in the Hillary campaign. I guess that may change, but it all seems bureaucratic and weary.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/right-track-wrong-track/article/2560279
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Cyclefree said:

    grahambc1 said:

    perdix said:

    There was a time when the CoE would take the lead on moral scandals such as the abuse of young girls.... Sad how they ignore beams and focus on motes.

    There was a time when the Cof E would take the lead and tell people not to have sex before marriage, not to have children out of wedlock etc, etc. But they chjickened out.

    I think you will find that Jesus spent more time attacking the authorities and exhorting against poverty than he did reprimanding people's sexual choices.

    to quote Isaiah 58

    “In fact, in the day of your fast you find pleasure,
    And exploit all your laborers.
    4 Indeed you fast for strife and debate,
    And to strike with the fist of wickedness.
    You will not fast as you do this day,
    To make your voice heard on high.
    5 Is it a fast that I have chosen,
    A day for a man to afflict his soul?
    Is it to bow down his head like a bulrush,
    And to spread out sackcloth and ashes?
    Would you call this a fast,
    And an acceptable day to the Lord?
    6 “Is this not the fast that I have chosen:
    To loose the bonds of wickedness,
    To undo the heavy burdens,
    To let the oppressed go free,
    And that you break every yoke?
    7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
    And that you bring to your house the poor who are cast out;
    When you see the naked, that you cover him,
    And not hide yourself from your own flesh?
    8 Then your light shall break forth like the morning,
    Your healing shall spring forth speedily,
    And your righteousness shall go before you;
    The glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard.
    9 Then you shall call, and the Lord will answer;
    You shall cry, and He will say, ‘Here I am.’
    Isn't Isaiah in the Old Testament? And wasn't there something in Thessalonians about he who does not work, neither shall he eat?

    - and let's not forget 2 Kings 9 8 ----

    For the whole house of Ahab shall perish: and I will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel
  • Mr. B, if you know the answer before you see the evidence, it's religious dogma, not science.

    Mr. Pong, point of order: Miliband gets mocked by almost everyone. Of course, that includes his enemies, but Mili-mockery is not confined to the political class or pb.com.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    According to my calculations (which are sometimes correct!), there should be a TNS online poll due this week (fieldwork ending today).

    TNS should carry a bit of a health warning tbh.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Will probably watch an episode a day, or suchlike. Mostly promotional guff, as you'd expect, but there was a nugget of potential interest. He could have an advantage in the wet, judging by episode 1.

    I enjoyed the first two episodes of Season Four, A Game of Thrones, last night.
    Is that a new one ? Or you're watching DVDs ?
    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Will probably watch an episode a day, or suchlike. Mostly promotional guff, as you'd expect, but there was a nugget of potential interest. He could have an advantage in the wet, judging by episode 1.

    I enjoyed the first two episodes of Season Four, A Game of Thrones, last night.
    Is that a new one ? Or you're watching DVDs ?

    Mr. B, unfortunately I spend enough (maybe too much time) on F1 as it is. I can't really afford to get into another sport seriously.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. F, due to my cast-iron self-discipline, I only watched the first episode. Do you ever listen to the commentaries? Some are really good. The actors and director speaking over Episode 9 of series 2 was very enjoyable, as was the one (forget the number) in the first series which had Harry Lloyd et al. talking.

    This is the DVD, which, for some reason, HBO don't release until 9 months have passed from showing it on television.

    I tend in any case, to spoil myself, by looking at fan sites and clips on Youtube. The coming series is the last in which book readers will have any advantage over show-only watchers (even in this series, Sansa and Bran's stories will go beyond the books, and there are big changes to the books as well).

    I find the commentaries variable, but the one you mention was very good.

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    Anorak said:

    Tim_B said:

    More proof of global warming - it is going down to 9 degrees Fahrenheit here on Wednesday overnight.

    Nice troll. I'll bite (well, nibble). Here's xkcd: http://xkcd.com/1321/
    independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html
  • Tim_B said:

    More proof of global warming - it is going down to 9 degrees Fahrenheit here on Wednesday overnight.

    You still use Fahrenheit? :)
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Tim_B said:

    More proof of global warming - it is going down to 9 degrees Fahrenheit here on Wednesday overnight.

    9F. Luxury!! (Said in faux, montypythonesque yorkshire accent). 2. But it is very pretty this morning. Fresh 4" of snow, bright blue skies and dazzling sunshine.
  • TGOHF said:

    In my experience among family,friends and acquaintances..more Conservative supporters go to church than Labour supporters


    You appear to be confusing the CofE with "church".

    Most Methodists appear to support Labour - see the crystal Meth Chairman of the Co-Op.

    And many Roman Catholics used to support Labour...until the abuse stories..

    As for Evangelicals? No idea.. One is a UKIP candidate I believe.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    Tim_B said:

    Cyclefree said:

    grahambc1 said:

    perdix said:

    There was a time when the CoE would take the lead on moral scandals such as the abuse of young girls.... Sad how they ignore beams and focus on motes.

    There was a time when the Cof E would take the lead and tell people not to have sex before marriage, not to have children out of wedlock etc, etc. But they chjickened out.

    I think you will find that Jesus spent more time attacking the authorities and exhorting against poverty than he did reprimanding people's sexual choices.

    to quote Isaiah 58

    “In fact, in the day of your fast you find pleasure,
    And exploit all your laborers.
    4 Indeed you fast for strife and debate,
    And to strike with the fist of wickedness.
    You will not fast as you do this day,
    To make your voice heard on high.
    5 Is it a fast that I have chosen,
    A day for a man to afflict his soul?
    Is it to bow down his head like a bulrush,
    And to spread out sackcloth and ashes?
    Would you call this a fast,
    And an acceptable day to the Lord?
    6 “Is this not the fast that I have chosen:
    To loose the bonds of wickedness,
    To undo the heavy burdens,
    To let the oppressed go free,
    And that you break every yoke?
    7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
    And that you bring to your house the poor who are cast out;
    When you see the naked, that you cover him,
    And not hide yourself from your own flesh?
    8 Then your light shall break forth like the morning,
    Your healing shall spring forth speedily,
    And your righteousness shall go before you;
    The glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard.
    9 Then you shall call, and the Lord will answer;
    You shall cry, and He will say, ‘Here I am.’
    Isn't Isaiah in the Old Testament? And wasn't there something in Thessalonians about he who does not work, neither shall he eat?

    - and let's not forget 2 Kings 9 8 ----

    For the whole house of Ahab shall perish: and I will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel
    And there's one of my favourite passages, 2 Kings 23-24, in which 2 and 40 children got eaten by she-bears after making fun of Elijah's baldness.

    My step-son asked me what message was being sent by that passage, I said that you mock men who are going bald at your peril.

  • Mr. T, when I were a lad we used to dream of nine whole Fahrenheits. It would've been like a sauna to us.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    More proof of global warming - it is going down to 9 degrees Fahrenheit here on Wednesday overnight.

    You still use Fahrenheit? :)
    Absolutely! Frankenstein beats Crazius every time :-)
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    TOPPING said:

    Anorak said:

    Tim_B said:

    More proof of global warming - it is going down to 9 degrees Fahrenheit here on Wednesday overnight.

    Nice troll. I'll bite (well, nibble). Here's xkcd: http://xkcd.com/1321/
    independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

    Can't get past the paywall on your link. But being born in Plymouth in 1958, I recall that there were just 2 snowfalls in my first 20 years (winters of 1962/3, 1977/8). If anything, snow in Devon and Cornwall seems a much more common occurrence these days.


  • Isn't Isaiah in the Old Testament? And wasn't there something in Thessalonians about he who does not work, neither shall he eat?



    Hmm you are right Isaiah is Old testament but that does not make it defunct but you could try these:

    Luke 14:13 ESV But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind,

    Deuteronomy 15:11 ESV For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

    Luke 4:18 ESV “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed,

    Mark 10:21 ESV And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

    Proverbs 19:17 ESV Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.

    Luke 6:20-21 ESV
    And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be satisfied. “Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh.

    Matthew 19:24 ESV / 14 helpful votes

    Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

    Matthew 6:3-4 ESV / 14 helpful votes

    But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

    Matthew 25:40 ESV / 13 helpful votes

    And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    MTimT said:

    Tim_B said:

    More proof of global warming - it is going down to 9 degrees Fahrenheit here on Wednesday overnight.

    9F. Luxury!! (Said in faux, montypythonesque yorkshire accent). 2. But it is very pretty this morning. Fresh 4" of snow, bright blue skies and dazzling sunshine.
    Power went out last night, and only came back at 6am today. I lay in bed trying to keep warm, listening to the increasing wind blowing, and a German Shepherd pacing all night relentlessly. Didn't get a wink of sleep, yet Heidi is currently dead to the world on my bed.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Tim_B said:

    More proof of global warming - it is going down to 9 degrees Fahrenheit here on Wednesday overnight.

    9F. Luxury!! (Said in faux, montypythonesque yorkshire accent). 2. But it is very pretty this morning. Fresh 4" of snow, bright blue skies and dazzling sunshine.
    Power went out last night, and only came back at 6am today. I lay in bed trying to keep warm, listening to the increasing wind blowing, and a German Shepherd pacing all night relentlessly. Didn't get a wink of sleep, yet Heidi is currently dead to the world on my bed.
    Our previous shepherd, Carrie, was terrible with storms. 3 hours before they arrived, she was underfoot. As soon as the thunder and lightning started, her whole body shook until the storm passed. Fortunately, Zopher and Aoife are more like to want to frolic in the blizzard.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    edited February 2015
    Jeez, what is Ed thinking? If he can't eat a bacon sandwich, what the hell is he going to do when Ant and Dec make him sit down to a Bush-Tucker Trial before they'll vote for him?
  • CountryGentCountryGent Posts: 6
    edited February 2015
    grahambc1 said:




    Hmm you are right Isaiah is Old testament but that does not make it defunct but you could try these:

    Luke 14:13 ESV But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind,

    Deuteronomy 15:11 ESV For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

    Luke 4:18 ESV “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed,

    Mark 10:21 ESV And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

    Proverbs 19:17 ESV Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.

    Luke 6:20-21 ESV
    And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be satisfied. “Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh.

    Matthew 19:24 ESV / 14 helpful votes

    Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

    Matthew 6:3-4 ESV / 14 helpful votes

    But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

    Matthew 25:40 ESV / 13 helpful votes

    And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

    Where does it say "I tell thee truly, maketh things up about unemployment"
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Mr. T, when I were a lad we used to dream of nine whole Fahrenheits. It would've been like a sauna to us.

    Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
  • grahambc1 said:




    Where does it say "I tell thee truly, maketh things up about unemployment"

    The point I am making is that Biblically there is far greater emphasis on opposing injustice, helping the poor etc, than on sexual morality, indeed if you look at the ascribe reasons for the fall of Israel, the emphasis is on this injustice, exploitation of workers and mistreatment of the poor
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Now while Jesus was at Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very costly ointment, and she poured it on his head as he sat at the table. But when the disciples saw it, they were angry and said, “Why this waste? For this ointment could have been sold for a large sum, and the money given to the poor.”
    But Jesus, aware of this, said to them, “Why do you trouble the woman? She has performed a good service for me. For you always have the poor with you, but you will not always have me. By pouring this ointment on my body she has prepared me for burial. Truly I tell you, wherever this good news is proclaimed in the whole world, what she has done will be told in remembrance of her.”

    Matthew 26. Benchmark of demented self-regard, I've always thought.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Apparently Brian Williams appears frequently in the Old Testament..........
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11417964/Labour-infantalised-millions-with-welfare-state-David-Cameron-says.html

    "Labour "infantilised" millions of jobseekers and made Britain resent benefits claimants by failing to create a welfare system that incentivised work, David Cameron has said.

    The Prime Minister said the benefits setup he inherited from New Labour created a "sense of deep unfairness" which had a "corrosive effect" on both taxpayers and those who were claiming."
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited February 2015
    Sean_F said:

    Tim_B said:

    Cyclefree said:

    grahambc1 said:

    perdix said:

    There was a time when the CoE would take the lead on moral scandals such as the abuse of young girls.... Sad how they ignore beams and focus on motes.

    There was a time when the Cof E would take the lead and tell people not to have sex before marriage, not to have children out of wedlock etc, etc. But they chjickened out.

    *snip*
    Isn't Isaiah in the Old Testament? And wasn't there something in Thessalonians about he who does not work, neither shall he eat?

    - and let's not forget 2 Kings 9 8 ----

    For the whole house of Ahab shall perish: and I will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel
    And there's one of my favourite passages, 2 Kings 23-24, in which 2 and 40 children got eaten by she-bears after making fun of Elijah's baldness.

    My step-son asked me what message was being sent by that passage, I said that you mock men who are going bald at your peril.
    Here's the justification for mass murder of children for name calling:
    https://carm.org/why-did-god-kill-42-lads-merely-saying-elisha-was-bald

    This is fairly scary stuff:
    But, God did not break his own moral law. The Bible says do not murder. Murder is the unlawful taking of life. But, all people have sinned against God and are worthy of death (Rom. 3:23; 6:23). So, God had them killed according to the Law.
  • SunnyJimSunnyJim Posts: 1,106


    Welcome aboard. Do you bet? Occasionally this site dedicates itself to discussion of wagers and so forth.

    Thanks.

    I'm a regular on Betfair but keep it to trading/arbing on horses and the golf.

    I've learnt that betting with anything other than your head is a route to the poor house - which rules out politics.
  • Pulpstar said:

    According to my calculations (which are sometimes correct!), there should be a TNS online poll due this week (fieldwork ending today).

    TNS should carry a bit of a health warning tbh.
    Only their phone polls for the BBC :)

    (this should be their standard online poll)
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited February 2015
    TGOHF said:


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11417964/Labour-infantalised-millions-with-welfare-state-David-Cameron-says.html

    "Labour "infantilised" millions of jobseekers and made Britain resent benefits claimants by failing to create a welfare system that incentivised work, David Cameron has said.

    The Prime Minister said the benefits setup he inherited from New Labour created a "sense of deep unfairness" which had a "corrosive effect" on both taxpayers and those who were claiming."

    Seems like a reasonable critique, well worth a read to see who has understanding and compassion for those on welfare and a plan to enrich their lives.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    SunnyJim said:


    Welcome aboard. Do you bet? Occasionally this site dedicates itself to discussion of wagers and so forth.

    Thanks.

    I'm a regular on Betfair but keep it to trading/arbing on horses and the golf.

    I've learnt that betting with anything other than your head is a route to the poor house - which rules out politics.
    You bet on golf? You are indeed a brave man.
  • Sean_F said:

    Tim_B said:

    Cyclefree said:

    grahambc1 said:

    perdix said:

    There was a time when the CoE would take the lead on moral scandals such as the abuse of young girls.... Sad how they ignore beams and focus on motes.

    There was a time when the Cof E would take the lead and tell people not to have sex before marriage, not to have children out of wedlock etc, etc. But they chjickened out.

    I think you will find that Jesus spent more time attacking the authorities and exhorting against poverty than he did reprimanding people's sexual choices.

    to quote Isaiah 58

    “In fact, in the day of your fast you find pleasure,
    And exploit all your laborers.
    4 Indeed you fast for strife and debate,
    And to strike with the fist of wickedness.
    You will not fast as you do this day,
    To make your voice heard on high.
    5 Is it a fast that I have chosen,
    A day for a man to afflict his soul?
    Is it to bow down his head like a bulrush,
    And to spread out sackcloth and ashes?
    Would you call this a fast,
    And an acceptable day to the Lord?
    6 “Is this not the fast that I have chosen:
    To loose the bonds of wickedness,
    To undo the heavy burdens,
    To let the oppressed go free,
    And that you break every yoke?
    7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
    And that you bring to your house the poor who are cast out;
    When you see the naked, that you cover him,
    And not hide yourself from your own flesh?
    8 Then your light shall break forth like the morning,
    Your healing shall spring forth speedily,
    And your righteousness shall go before you;
    The glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard.
    9 Then you shall call, and the Lord will answer;
    You shall cry, and He will say, ‘Here I am.’
    Isn't Isaiah in the Old Testament? And wasn't there something in Thessalonians about he who does not work, neither shall he eat?

    - and let's not forget 2 Kings 9 8 ----

    For the whole house of Ahab shall perish: and I will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel
    And there's one of my favourite passages, 2 Kings 23-24, in which 2 and 40 children got eaten by she-bears after making fun of Elijah's baldness.

    My step-son asked me what message was being sent by that passage, I said that you mock men who are going bald at your peril.

    And quite right. Mocking baldies can be hazardous

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    Anorak said:

    Sean_F said:

    Tim_B said:

    Cyclefree said:

    grahambc1 said:

    perdix said:

    There was a time when the CoE would take the lead on moral scandals such as the abuse of young girls.... Sad how they ignore beams and focus on motes.

    There was a time when the Cof E would take the lead and tell people not to have sex before marriage, not to have children out of wedlock etc, etc. But they chjickened out.

    *snip*
    Isn't Isaiah in the Old Testament? And wasn't there something in Thessalonians about he who does not work, neither shall he eat?

    - and let's not forget 2 Kings 9 8 ----

    For the whole house of Ahab shall perish: and I will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel
    And there's one of my favourite passages, 2 Kings 23-24, in which 2 and 40 children got eaten by she-bears after making fun of Elijah's baldness.

    My step-son asked me what message was being sent by that passage, I said that you mock men who are going bald at your peril.
    Here's the justification for mass murder of children for name calling:
    https://carm.org/why-did-god-kill-42-lads-merely-saying-elisha-was-bald

    This is fairly scary stuff:
    But, God did not break his own moral law. The Bible says do not murder. Murder is the unlawful taking of life. But, all people have sinned against God and are worthy of death (Rom. 3:23; 6:23). So, God had them killed according to the Law.
    I think the children got what they deserved.
  • MTimT said:

    TOPPING said:

    Anorak said:

    Tim_B said:

    More proof of global warming - it is going down to 9 degrees Fahrenheit here on Wednesday overnight.

    Nice troll. I'll bite (well, nibble). Here's xkcd: http://xkcd.com/1321/
    independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

    Can't get past the paywall on your link. But being born in Plymouth in 1958, I recall that there were just 2 snowfalls in my first 20 years (winters of 1962/3, 1977/8). If anything, snow in Devon and Cornwall seems a much more common occurrence these days.
    I think your memory might not be perfect.

    Serious drifting in the West Country.
    Not Plymouth, but when was the last time there was 10 inches in Dover?
    [From the archive of Monthly Weather Reports]

    And those are from unexceptional years, unlike 62/63, but they would qualify as very exceptional these days.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    Sean_F said:

    Tim_B said:

    Cyclefree said:

    grahambc1 said:

    perdix said:

    There was a time when the CoE would take the lead on moral scandals such as the abuse of young girls.... Sad how they ignore beams and focus on motes.

    There was a time when the Cof E would take the lead and tell people not to have sex before marriage, not to have children out of wedlock etc, etc. But they chjickened out.

    I think you will find that Jesus spent more time attacking the authorities and exhorting against poverty than he did reprimanding people's sexual choices.

    to quote Isaiah 58

    “In fact, in the day of your fast you find pleasure,
    And exploit all your laborers.
    4 Indeed you fast for strife and debate,
    And to strike with the fist of wickedness.
    You will not fast as you do this day,
    To make your voice heard on high.
    5 Is it a fast that I have chosen,
    A day for a man to afflict his soul?
    Is it to bow down his head like a bulrush,
    And to spread out sackcloth and ashes?
    Would you call this a fast,
    And an acceptable day to the Lord?
    6 “Is this not the fast that I have chosen:
    To loose the bonds of wickedness,
    To undo the heavy burdens,
    To let the oppressed go free,
    And that you break every yoke?
    7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
    And that you bring to your house the poor who are cast out;
    When you see the naked, that you cover him,
    And not hide yourself from your own flesh?
    8 Then your light shall break forth like the morning,
    Your healing shall spring forth speedily,
    And your righteousness shall go before you;
    The glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard.
    9 Then you shall call, and the Lord will answer;
    You shall cry, and He will say, ‘Here I am.’
    Isn't Isaiah in the Old Testament? And wasn't there something in Thessalonians about he who does not work, neither shall he eat?

    - and let's not forget 2 Kings 9 8 ----

    For the whole house of Ahab shall perish: and I will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel
    And there's one of my favourite passages, 2 Kings 23-24, in which 2 and 40 children got eaten by she-bears after making fun of Elijah's baldness.

    My step-son asked me what message was being sent by that passage, I said that you mock men who are going bald at your peril.

    And quite right. Mocking baldies can be hazardous

    Those who were wondering about JackW's absence...... Has he finally fallen foul of OGH's smiting stick? There's only so many references to "folically challenged" even the Tipster of the Year (ad nauseam) can make.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    Tim_B said:

    More proof of global warming - it is going down to 9 degrees Fahrenheit here on Wednesday overnight.

    Let's cherry pick one location then...

    Meanwhile across the whole World, temperatures are anomalously warm. January 2015 is likely to be warmest January ever recorded (or at the very least in the top 3) and February most likely will follow suit....

    http://www.karstenhaustein.com/reanalysis/gfs0p5/ANOM2m_equir/ANOM2m_pastMTH_equir.html
  • "Woe to those who call Tory leads Labour leads, and Labour leads Tory leads; Who substitute good PM ratings for bad and bad PM ratings for good; Who substitute sensible policies for crap ones and crap policies for good!" - Psunils, 5:20.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    With all the petty stuff in the news, like Ukraine, Greece and ISIS, it's good to see at least some publications covering the truly serious stuff:

    http://cornishnews.com/2015/02/14/dangerous-cut-and-shut-pasties-containing-carrots-are-being-sold-in-camborne/
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    madasafish,

    "And many Roman Catholics used to support Labour...until the abuse stories."

    The abuse didn't change that, but Tristam Hunt is doing his best to put them off as an article in this week's Tablet (The Guardian of the Catholic publications) shows.

    Overall, remember that the OT was written for a purpose. To show that even suffering had a purpose and that even a bunch of seriously nasty people could still find forgiveness. The NT also had a purpose - to show that Christ was the Messiah but failure by their light could also be success. I quite liked the old joke ... Yes, the Jews did kill Christ but only for three days

    2 Thessalonians 3:10 Even while we were with you, we gave you this command: "Those unwilling to work will not get to eat."

    Often the verses refer to problems that arose during the first and second centuries. Context is all, and that's a problem with the Koran and Haddith.

    My e-book "An ever rolling Stream" deals with religions fifty years from now ... but it's an adventure story not a religious story.

    "Then Jesus said, "Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear." Mark 4:9

    We each hear what we want to hear and sometimes that is the problem.

    Sermon over, so you can all depart in peace.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    murali_s said:

    Tim_B said:

    More proof of global warming - it is going down to 9 degrees Fahrenheit here on Wednesday overnight.

    Let's cherry pick one location then...

    Meanwhile across the whole World, temperatures are anomalously warm. January 2015 is likely to be warmest January ever recorded (or at the very least in the top 3) and February most likely will follow suit....

    http://www.karstenhaustein.com/reanalysis/gfs0p5/ANOM2m_equir/ANOM2m_pastMTH_equir.html

    "January 2015 is likely to be warmest January ever recorded"

    Good.

    Although, since you don't have records of the last warm periods, e.g. in Roman times, we don't actually know your statement is true.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @IsabelOakeshott: BREAKING: I can exclusively reveal that Harriet Yeo, chairman of Labour's NEC 2012-13, is quitting the party over Ed M's position on Europe
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046

    murali_s said:

    Tim_B said:

    More proof of global warming - it is going down to 9 degrees Fahrenheit here on Wednesday overnight.

    Let's cherry pick one location then...

    Meanwhile across the whole World, temperatures are anomalously warm. January 2015 is likely to be warmest January ever recorded (or at the very least in the top 3) and February most likely will follow suit....

    http://www.karstenhaustein.com/reanalysis/gfs0p5/ANOM2m_equir/ANOM2m_pastMTH_equir.html

    "January 2015 is likely to be warmest January ever recorded"

    Good.

    Although, since you don't have records of the last warm periods, e.g. in Roman times, we don't actually know your statement is true.

    Don't be ridiculous. We know that the instruments in 1897 were pinpoint accurate to 0.0000005 deg.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    murali_s said:

    Tim_B said:

    More proof of global warming - it is going down to 9 degrees Fahrenheit here on Wednesday overnight.

    Let's cherry pick one location then...

    Meanwhile across the whole World, temperatures are anomalously warm. January 2015 is likely to be warmest January ever recorded (or at the very least in the top 3) and February most likely will follow suit....

    http://www.karstenhaustein.com/reanalysis/gfs0p5/ANOM2m_equir/ANOM2m_pastMTH_equir.html

    What do we know?

    1 - the earth's climate warms and cools over time. Roman Britain was warmer than Britain's current climate.

    2 - The two ice ages and the medieval cooling period are more evidence of this.

    What we don't know is whether and how human activity affected all this. Common sense says that it probably has had some affect, but we don't know how much if any definitively.

    So these international conferences - with hundreds of aircraft bringing the conferees to the site, to work out how to keep the temperature change to 2 degrees C - are utter nonsense.
  • murali_s said:

    Tim_B said:

    More proof of global warming - it is going down to 9 degrees Fahrenheit here on Wednesday overnight.

    Let's cherry pick one location then...

    Meanwhile across the whole World, temperatures are anomalously warm. January 2015 is likely to be warmest January ever recorded (or at the very least in the top 3) and February most likely will follow suit....

    http://www.karstenhaustein.com/reanalysis/gfs0p5/ANOM2m_equir/ANOM2m_pastMTH_equir.html
    Don't confuse him with the facts.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    In general, modern science isn't keen on God because it sort of belittles their work.

    But if we suppose that the multiverse exists and that time is infinite (assuming that it's not just a figment of our brain), then somewhere in the universe, a civilisation has had infinite time to evolve and become, basically, Gods, with the ability to make universes like ours.

    So watch out, they're listening. Be interesting or you may not see series two.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @TOPPING
    " accurate to 0.0000005 deg. "
    Fortunately for modern scientists they don't need to be anywhere near that level of accuracy because the variations are of a far larger magnitude.
    And to those quoting the bible on here, it's pointless. Unless something has a price tag on it, Tories don't believe it exists.
  • Spot on, Mr. B.

    Mr. 13, a liberal view of God is entirely compatible with science.

    If you subscribe the view that the universe will have a Big Crunch and then a new Big Bang, time can be infinite without any civilisation managing to actually survive for such a long period (because the Big Crunch is the ultimate extinction event).

    As an aside, your suggestion is somewhat similar to the plot of the Mass Effect Trilogy [yes, they're making a fourth one, but as it seems FemShep will not be the protagonist it's not quite the same thing].
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Smarmeron said:

    @TOPPING
    " accurate to 0.0000005 deg. "
    Fortunately for modern scientists they don't need to be anywhere near that level of accuracy because the variations are of a far larger magnitude.
    And to those quoting the bible on here, it's pointless. Unless something has a price tag on it, Tories don't believe it exists.

    Right, as a Tory I am off to chair a Trustees meeting for a charity helping people with Mental problems, assuming I can find it without its price tag on it.
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