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edited February 2015 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » UKIP drop into single figures, LDs 6% as LAB move to 36% in this month’s Ipsos-MORI poll

UKIP drop to single figures in this month's @IpsosMORI poll
LAB 36% (+2)
Con 34 (+1)
UKIP 9 (-2)
Green 7 (-1)
LD 6 (-2) …..

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  • The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)
  • @JoeMurphyLondon: (3/3) Two biggest parties on 70% for first time since Dec13. Are Tories & Lab rising as "Big Choice" kicks in? If so, a landmark @IpsosMORI
  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    Worth a punt on Lab overall maj at those figures
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    What's the English subsample on this ?

    Must be stonking for Labour.
  • The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Yes.

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.

    Otherwise a bit of a dull poll. It's shaping up for a slug out between tories and labour. Maybe that shouldn't surprise us. LDs are the casualties, leaving two main parties.

    And the SNP holding the cards?
  • Angela Merkel was right.

    In a coalition it is the little party that gets smashed at the polls.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Good poll for Labour. Not surprising the smaller parties are getting squeezed when they're getting pretty much no coverage at the moment.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited February 2015
    Joe Murphy is getting a bit over-excited about a three-point increased in the combined Con/Lab share, especially since Ipsos-MORI tends to be quite volatile anyway.

    Still, I suppose it means there's a chance he'll be able to run a 'Major parties collapse as election approaches' story next month.
  • Damn sure last night's price move on Betfair sure as hell wasn't caused by an advance sight of this poll.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Artist said:

    Good poll for Labour. Not surprising the smaller parties are getting squeezed when they're getting pretty much no coverage at the moment.

    SNP on 5% !

    They only compete for 8% of the votes.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited February 2015
    Just to lob some petrol on the bonfire: Muslim pupils double from 2001 to 2015; 1.5m --> 2.7m

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31433665
  • Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Which 2?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    UKIP on 9%, 1 seat.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    No win for Farage in Thanet?
  • Joe Murphy is getting a bit over-excited about a three-point increased in the combined Con/Lab share, especially since Ipsos-MORI tends to be quite volatile anyway.

    Still, I suppose it means there's a chance he'll be able to run a 'Major parties collapse as election approaches' story next month.

    It's up by nine points from November and December. That's quite a large shift and looks like a significant change, when you might have dismissed last month's six-point increase as noise.
  • timmo said:

    Worth a punt on Lab overall maj at those figures

    Value bet.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    FPT:

    So life imitates art. The Ukraine-Russia ceasefire deal feels a lot like the Federation-Cardassian treaty, one side will stick to it and force their people to do so and the other will brazenly break it and continue to ship weapons into the ceasefire zone.

    There is no compromise with warlords like Putin, we can only defeat them, this is going to end badly.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited February 2015
    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    I think Farage will make it over the line from being a national figure and a party leader. Farage and Carswell in Parliament will be fun to watch.

  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Pulpstar said:

    Artist said:

    Good poll for Labour. Not surprising the smaller parties are getting squeezed when they're getting pretty much no coverage at the moment.

    SNP on 5% !

    They only compete for 8% of the votes.
    SNP will have at least a couple of mid 50s before May 7th.

    Murphy's taken the hint and he's gone AWOL. Not on TV for two days, two tweets since Tuesday, one on football, one on Mandela anniversary. He's given up.
  • Joe Murphy is getting a bit over-excited about a three-point increased in the combined Con/Lab share, especially since Ipsos-MORI tends to be quite volatile anyway.

    Still, I suppose it means there's a chance he'll be able to run a 'Major parties collapse as election approaches' story next month.

    It's up by nine points from November and December. That's quite a large shift and looks like a significant change, when you might have dismissed last month's six-point increase as noise.
    Fair point
  • Damn sure last night's price move on Betfair sure as hell wasn't caused by an advance sight of this poll.

    Yeah me too. Guess it adds a caution about reading into market movement. Unless someone's seen something else? Can't really think the short term publicity on the tax stuff will do Cammo much good. Longer term think it may bite Miliband.
  • @pppolitics: @TSEofPB Looks to be a fantastic tip from August 2013 for Lib Dems to lose 126+ deposits : http://t.co/cDw8lxZj4D #Tipster. Good luck.
  • Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    No win for Farage in Thanet?
    UKIP could be a reasonable addition to our political life if Carswell replaced Farage. Just compare their use of expenses to see the difference.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    No win for Farage in Thanet?
    The idea of Farage winning Thanet was pretty comical from the early polls and has done nothing but look worse for him.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Maybe now we'll get a thread on the extinction of the LibDems?

    Nah.....what was I thinking....
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    Ed Miliband is awesome :)
  • Maybe now we'll get a thread on the extinction of the LibDems?

    Nah.....what was I thinking....

    Big story there isn't there so why wouldn't there be a thread on it?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    Indigo said:

    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    I think Farage will make it over the line from being a national figure and a party leader. Farage and Carswell in Parliament will be fun to watch.

    I think Reckless will win. Centre-right voters know there's no danger of letting in Labour in Rochester & Strood.

    A simple average of this week's polls gives Labour 33.7%, Conservative 33.3%, UKIP 13.3%. That is a shift back to the big two, but less dramatic than MORI's numbers suggest.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Damn sure last night's price move on Betfair sure as hell wasn't caused by an advance sight of this poll.

    Yeah me too. Guess it adds a caution about reading into market movement. Unless someone's seen something else? Can't really think the short term publicity on the tax stuff will do Cammo much good. Longer term think it may bite Miliband.
    I am inclined to agree. You can bet a few researchers in CCHQ are going through the expenses and company connections of Labour donors with a fine toothed comb, Ed better hope he has cleaned house before he started this round of mud slinging.

  • Pulpstar said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    What's the English subsample on this ?

    Must be stonking for Labour.
    Tables aren't up yet.

    On the flip side the Con gain Twickenham bet looks inspired.
  • Sean_F said:

    Indigo said:

    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    I think Farage will make it over the line from being a national figure and a party leader. Farage and Carswell in Parliament will be fun to watch.

    I think Reckless will win.
    Hmmm I'm not backing that with money. Lacks the charm of Carswell and the fame of Farage.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,705
    Good to see Labour above 35%.
  • Pulpstar said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    What's the English subsample on this ?

    Must be stonking for Labour.
    Tables aren't up yet.

    On the flip side the Con gain Twickenham bet looks inspired.
    Old Vince Cable? That would be a masshoootingly big Cons scalp.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2015

    Sean_F said:

    Indigo said:

    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    I think Farage will make it over the line from being a national figure and a party leader. Farage and Carswell in Parliament will be fun to watch.

    I think Reckless will win.
    Hmmm I'm not backing that with money. Lacks the charm of Carswell and the fame of Farage.
    Want to bet Audrey? You can have evens the tories in Rochester
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    No win for Farage in Thanet?
    The idea of Farage winning Thanet was pretty comical from the early polls and has done nothing but look worse for him.
    The most recent poll for Thanet South has UKIP only 1% behind the Conservatives.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Well this looks good for my ton on Solihull, £75 on Somerton and Frome and £35 or w/e Paddy allowed me on Wells as well as the cheeky fiver I had on Bath and £20 on Twickers.

    Less good for my 1-10 seat losses to to the Conservatives.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    It really isn't a corker of a poll. All movement well within the margin of error.

    Papers do love to believe their own hype.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    Maybe now we'll get a thread on the extinction of the LibDems?

    Nah.....what was I thinking....

    Big story there isn't there so why wouldn't there be a thread on it?
    We don't have threads that intrude into Our Genial Host's personal grief.

  • It could get worse for the Lib Dems

    Half of voters say they may change their mind about their vote, but, significantly, this is highest among current Lib-Dem supporters, at 62 per cent. Only 35 per cent of Lib-Dems say they have “definitely decided” to back Mr Clegg’s party.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    FPT:-


    I may be old-fashioned but I rather like the idea of the rule of law. The law gets made. You comply with it. And you have the certainty of knowing that having complied with the law you are not going to be pursued by the state just because it doesn't like you - for some other reason - in an arbitrary, capricious or even malicious manner.

    The barons felt a bit like this when they forced Magna Carta on King John 800 years ago.

    Judging by some of the comments Labour seem to think that caprice and ad hominem insults rather than the law are a good basis for government. This is a fundamentally and dangerously unserious position for Labour to take. Aren't there any grown-ups left in it?
  • Tables aren't up yet.

    On the flip side the Con gain Twickenham bet looks inspired.

    Lewes might be worth a punt, it's looking a lot more within reach that it did a year or so ago.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,972
    Labour's new positioning seems to be doing them no harm at all. I'm looking forward to some new Scottish polls. I think the picture is going to shift significantly
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited February 2015
    Sean_F said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    No win for Farage in Thanet?
    The idea of Farage winning Thanet was pretty comical from the early polls and has done nothing but look worse for him.
    The most recent poll for Thanet South has UKIP only 1% behind the Conservatives.
    The key point as you say is that Labour are not realistically in the running for Reckless, so right-wingers can take a punt on UKIP and not have to worry about giving the seat to Labour. How is it at Thanet S ?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538

    It could get worse for the Lib Dems

    Half of voters say they may change their mind about their vote, but, significantly, this is highest among current Lib-Dem supporters, at 62 per cent. Only 35 per cent of Lib-Dems say they have “definitely decided” to back Mr Clegg’s party.

    So, 2.1% of voters have definitely decided to vote Lib Dem.

    Overall, though, I don't think this poll lives up to MORI's hype.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    It could get worse for the Lib Dems

    Half of voters say they may change their mind about their vote, but, significantly, this is highest among current Lib-Dem supporters, at 62 per cent. Only 35 per cent of Lib-Dems say they have “definitely decided” to back Mr Clegg’s party.

    Clegg is the 2%.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138

    Maybe now we'll get a thread on the extinction of the LibDems?

    Nah.....what was I thinking....

    Big story there isn't there so why wouldn't there be a thread on it?
    Not at all, Mr Mark. Lots of sympathy towards the Lib Dems, but the vote isn´t firm yet. So they lose out on this particular pollster, with its 100% certainty question.

    In recent days, I have found the Conservative vote decidedly soft, but people are certain to vote. Strange, innit? Not necessarily going to UKIP, but they are pretty sure they are not going to vote Tory this time.

    Just anecdotal, of course.
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    I see the FTSE has dropped after the publication of the poll - Labour above 35% effect?
  • isam said:

    Sean_F said:

    Indigo said:

    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    I think Farage will make it over the line from being a national figure and a party leader. Farage and Carswell in Parliament will be fun to watch.

    I think Reckless will win.
    Hmmm I'm not backing that with money. Lacks the charm of Carswell and the fame of Farage.
    Want to bet Audrey? You can have evens the tories in Rochester
    Eh? Who is this Audrey people mention? Explain more before I have to go out.

    Evens? Why wouyld I gamble with you when I can play proper markets for same odds. You'll have to do better than that to tempt me.
  • Not sure I can believe UKIP on 9%.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Roger said:

    Labour's new positioning seems to be doing them no harm at all. I'm looking forward to some new Scottish polls. I think the picture is going to shift significantly

    I have the SNP dog in this race, but the implied SNP score in this Mori is at least 5% (Are Plaid on 2% ?) so it means that, on this Mori at least Labour are well behind in Scotland.
  • Maybe now we'll get a thread on the extinction of the LibDems?

    Nah.....what was I thinking....

    Big story there isn't there so why wouldn't there be a thread on it?
    We don't have threads that intrude into Our Genial Host's personal grief.

    Oh I see. Hehe. Fair dos.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,222
    Anyone brave enough to sell Ukip on SPIN?
  • Not sure I can believe UKIP on 9%.

    In fairness UKIP have been keeping a lower profile of late. I expect we will see a bounceback as they start campaigning
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    Indigo said:

    Sean_F said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    No win for Farage in Thanet?
    The idea of Farage winning Thanet was pretty comical from the early polls and has done nothing but look worse for him.
    The most recent poll for Thanet South has UKIP only 1% behind the Conservatives.
    The key point as you say is that Labour are not realistically in the running for Reckless, so right-wingers can take a punt on UKIP and not have to worry about giving the seat to Labour. How is it at Thanet S ?
    The poll had Conservative 33%, UKIP 32%, Labour 26%, so I don't think Labour are really in the running in Thanet South.

  • Feeling big anticlimax about this poll now. Stayed in specially too. Got to catch train will read back later.

    Mike Smithson said it was probably hyped. Too right!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Sean_F said:

    Indigo said:

    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    I think Farage will make it over the line from being a national figure and a party leader. Farage and Carswell in Parliament will be fun to watch.

    I think Reckless will win.
    Hmmm I'm not backing that with money. Lacks the charm of Carswell and the fame of Farage.
    Want to bet Audrey? You can have evens the tories in Rochester
    Eh? Who is this Audrey people mention? Explain more before I have to go out.

    Evens? Why wouyld I gamble with you when I can play proper markets for same odds. You'll have to do better than that to tempt me.
    Audrey is who you were before you got banned as that name, then kwok

    You can't play the real markets for the same odds, tories are best price 5/6, so I am doing better than that

  • Personally, I think I've reached the point where there is nothing to be gained betting-wise by looking at the LibDem national percentage. They are fighting individual by-elections. Is Charley Kennedy going to get 6% in Ross - No.
  • Mr. Bear, polls almost always disappoint.

    Mr. Vale, perhaps, but much of their rise was under the radar as well.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538

    Not sure I can believe UKIP on 9%.

    In fairness UKIP have been keeping a lower profile of late. I expect we will see a bounceback as they start campaigning
    If UKIP are on 9%, I'd have expected to see the Conservatives on 37/38%.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Not sure I can believe UKIP on 9%.

    I could believe it with a 10/10 vote certainty filter, but I think that its highly misleading, with all the mud being slung at the moment I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of voters are getting fed up with the whole thing and dropping a bit in their certainty to vote, and possibly wavering a bit more than usual. My personal feeling is that 10/10 is too harsh a test in the middle of a campaign when politics is starting to test the voters patience (and we aren't in the middle of the real campaign yet!)

    As an aside I am wondering if the FTPA is going to result in reduced turnout as voters get sick to the teeth of politics after 3-4 months of mudslinging and abuse.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Isn't only including those 10/10 certain to vote likely to help the bigger parties?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,972
    Pulpstar

    "I have the SNP dog in this race, but the implied SNP score in this Mori is at least 5% (Are Plaid on 2% ?) so it means that, on this Mori at least Labour are well behind in Scotland."

    How do you find that out?
  • In spite of all the poll froth I am still sticking with my UKIP prediction. A good result for them will be 12% and 5 seats. I would say now that if the Tory 'ignore' list the other day was correct then Boston and Skegness looks like a firm favourite for UKIP given the Tories appear to have given up on it. I also still believe that given all the issues around a high profile party leader being a target for the other parties, Farage is unlikely to be one of those 5 seats.

    Of course that plays into my own personal hopes as well so is probably heart ruling head.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    edited February 2015
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Sean_F said:

    Indigo said:

    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    I think Farage will make it over the line from being a national figure and a party leader. Farage and Carswell in Parliament will be fun to watch.

    I think Reckless will win.
    Hmmm I'm not backing that with money. Lacks the charm of Carswell and the fame of Farage.
    Want to bet Audrey? You can have evens the tories in Rochester
    Eh? Who is this Audrey people mention? Explain more before I have to go out.

    Evens? Why wouyld I gamble with you when I can play proper markets for same odds. You'll have to do better than that to tempt me.
    Audrey is who you were before you got banned as that name, then kwok

    You can't play the real markets for the same odds, tories are best price 5/6, so I am doing better than that

    Sorry mate. Don't know who or what she is or was but I am very much not her. Email me and I'll give you my name, which happens to be in my screen name and its not bear. I'm not betting with someone who throws out stuff like that. I can beat 5/6 online so completely rubbish odds from you anyway
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2015

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Sean_F said:

    Indigo said:

    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    I think Farage will make it over the line from being a national figure and a party leader. Farage and Carswell in Parliament will be fun to watch.

    I think Reckless will win.
    Hmmm I'm not backing that with money. Lacks the charm of Carswell and the fame of Farage.
    Want to bet Audrey? You can have evens the tories in Rochester
    Eh? Who is this Audrey people mention? Explain more before I have to go out.

    Evens? Why wouyld I gamble with you when I can play proper markets for same odds. You'll have to do better than that to tempt me.
    Audrey is who you were before you got banned as that name, then kwok

    You can't play the real markets for the same odds, tories are best price 5/6, so I am doing better than that

    Sorry mate. Don't know who or what she is or was but I am very much not her. Email me and I'll give you my name, which happens to be in my screen name and its not bear. I'm not betting with someone who throws out stuff like that. I can beat 5/6 online so completely rubbish odds from you anyway
    Where can you beat 5/6? I am offering evens, no where is better than that so how are they 'completely rubbish odds" ?

    Emails won't prove or disprove anything, I doubt 'her' name was Audrey...
  • isam said:

    Isn't only including those 10/10 certain to vote likely to help the bigger parties?

    Now that IS a good point i'll give you that.

    True.

    Right gtg.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Anyone know if Ed is a "fink", or "in the pink" yet?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538

    Overall, this poll gives a big combined left-wing vote share of 50%, (Labour, Green, Nationalist) and a correspondingly low right-wing vote share of 43%, compared to an average of about 45/47% respectively.
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    OT

    Just had a call from Toyota announcing their new hydrogen powered car - available in the autumn with a range of 300miles. Only emission is water vapour.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Smarmeron said:

    Anyone know if Ed is a "fink", or "in the pink" yet?

    Looks like Ed has won that one handsomely.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    So Ed was right in PMQs yesterday, Fink isn't going to sue, and the talk is all about him standing up to tax avoiding tory donors
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Financier said:

    OT

    Just had a call from Toyota announcing their new hydrogen powered car - available in the autumn with a range of 300miles. Only emission is water vapour.

    Where does one refuel a Hydrogen car?
  • hucks67hucks67 Posts: 758
    Labour going after tax avoidance could win back more votes than it loses. But it is no good winning back support from the left, if they don't bother to go out to vote.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    Sean_F said:

    Indigo said:

    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    I think Farage will make it over the line from being a national figure and a party leader. Farage and Carswell in Parliament will be fun to watch.

    I think Reckless will win.
    Hmmm I'm not backing that with money. Lacks the charm of Carswell and the fame of Farage.
    Reckless is more likely to be in Parliament after the election than Farage. There may be a lot of anti-Farage tactical voting by Labour supporters in South Thanet if it looks like they are out of the race
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2015
    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Indigo said:

    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    I think Farage will make it over the line from being a national figure and a party leader. Farage and Carswell in Parliament will be fun to watch.

    I think Reckless will win.
    Hmmm I'm not backing that with money. Lacks the charm of Carswell and the fame of Farage.
    Reckless is more likely to be in Parliament after the election than Farage. There may be a lot of anti-Farage tactical voting by Labour supporters in South Thanet if it looks like they are out of the race
    So they can help elect a tory government? Doubt it


    If it's two horse race for PM, which it is and always has been, any seat the other doesn't win is a gain... if labour can't win Thanet, they'll be attacking tories not ukip
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Indigo said:

    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    I think Farage will make it over the line from being a national figure and a party leader. Farage and Carswell in Parliament will be fun to watch.

    I think Reckless will win.
    Hmmm I'm not backing that with money. Lacks the charm of Carswell and the fame of Farage.
    Reckless is more likely to be in Parliament after the election than Farage. There may be a lot of anti-Farage tactical voting by Labour supporters in South Thanet if it looks like they are out of the race
    Some former Labour voters will vote tactically to keep out the Conservatives.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    The Budget's going to be interesting.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,705
    Clegg really screwed up on a cosmic scale.

    LDs should have dumped him.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Sean_F said:

    Indigo said:

    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    I think Farage will make it over the line from being a national figure and a party leader. Farage and Carswell in Parliament will be fun to watch.

    I think Reckless will win.
    Hmmm I'm not backing that with money. Lacks the charm of Carswell and the fame of Farage.
    Want to bet Audrey? You can have evens the tories in Rochester
    Eh? Who is this Audrey people mention? Explain more before I have to go out.

    Evens? Why wouyld I gamble with you when I can play proper markets for same odds. You'll have to do better than that to tempt me.
    Audrey is who you were before you got banned as that name, then kwok

    You can't play the real markets for the same odds, tories are best price 5/6, so I am doing better than that

    Sorry mate. Don't know who or what she is or was but I am very much not her. Email me and I'll give you my name, which happens to be in my screen name and its not bear. I'm not betting with someone who throws out stuff like that. I can beat 5/6 online so completely rubbish odds from you anyway
    I can confirm @Isam pays up his losers, so don't be worried about betting with him on that front.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Financier said:

    OT

    Just had a call from Toyota announcing their new hydrogen powered car - available in the autumn with a range of 300miles. Only emission is water vapour.

    Where does one refuel a Hydrogen car?
    If the last two governments hadn't wasted a ridiculously fortune on dead end, out of date, stored energy electric vehicles, you'd be reguelling them at the same petrol station you use today.

    That's the beauty of Hydrogen Fuel Cell. As they said on Top Gear, "it's the car of the future, because it works just like the car of today".
  • This does not qualify as a 'corker'. 2% main party lead and MoE vote share changes.

    Ramping by IPSOS-Mori.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Daily Politics "Labour spokesman says Ed won't be repeating statement so the words don't overshadow the Education statement" HAHAHAHA.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Indigo said:

    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    I think Farage will make it over the line from being a national figure and a party leader. Farage and Carswell in Parliament will be fun to watch.

    I think Reckless will win.
    Hmmm I'm not backing that with money. Lacks the charm of Carswell and the fame of Farage.
    Reckless is more likely to be in Parliament after the election than Farage. There may be a lot of anti-Farage tactical voting by Labour supporters in South Thanet if it looks like they are out of the race
    Some former Labour voters will vote tactically to keep out the Conservatives.
    A thread on Marmite Farage might be enlightening if some of those canvassing there could share their experiences....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    At the last GE the BNP outpolled the SNP - you'll get very good odds on that happening again.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    Sean_F said:

    Indigo said:

    Sean_F said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    The return of two party politics ? (Relatively speaking)

    Terrible for the LD's. Might hit single figure seats even on that. Pretty dire for UKIP too in light of expectations.
    UKIP on 17%, 2 seats, UKIP on 9%, 2 seats ;)

    Reckless is gone on a single figure UKIP vote. Hell he wasn't certain at 15%. Only Carswell's personal vote will make him UKIPs sole MP and new leader.
    No win for Farage in Thanet?
    The idea of Farage winning Thanet was pretty comical from the early polls and has done nothing but look worse for him.
    The most recent poll for Thanet South has UKIP only 1% behind the Conservatives.
    The key point as you say is that Labour are not realistically in the running for Reckless, so right-wingers can take a punt on UKIP and not have to worry about giving the seat to Labour. How is it at Thanet S ?
    The poll had Conservative 33%, UKIP 32%, Labour 26%, so I don't think Labour are really in the running in Thanet South.

    On those numbers they certainly are! Looks like a 3 way fight and the anti-Labour vote doesn't have an obvious recipient.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Dair said:

    Daily Politics "Labour spokesman says Ed won't be repeating statement so the words don't overshadow the Education statement" HAHAHAHA.

    Everyone question from the Press will be about the non-statement. Ha Ha.
  • Hydrogen-powered cars. Sometimes technology seems far too advanced.

    I'm not especially old (indeed, towards the young end of the pb spectrum), but when I was a kid we didn't even have mobile phones (except yuppies, who were roundly mocked). Now we have computer glasses in development, VR is on the way, TVs that can record your conversations, e-readers which are basically the hand-held pads from Star Trek: The Next Generation, internet-connected fridges etc etc.

    It's incredibly impressive, but the social upheaval (most obvious in the internet harming the high street) could be tumultuous due to the rate of change.

    Just on the cars: could we have hydrogen powered trains? Or even hydrogen power stations?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Squeaky bum time for Clegg lumpers.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    In spite of all the poll froth I am still sticking with my UKIP prediction. A good result for them will be 12% and 5 seats. I would say now that if the Tory 'ignore' list the other day was correct then Boston and Skegness looks like a firm favourite for UKIP given the Tories appear to have given up on it. I also still believe that given all the issues around a high profile party leader being a target for the other parties, Farage is unlikely to be one of those 5 seats.

    Of course that plays into my own personal hopes as well so is probably heart ruling head.

    I've seen no evidence the Tories have given up on any UKIP-threatened seats. Although effort might be a bit half-hearted in Clacton.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    About time we had a thread on the dismal Tory campaign.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    9/5 on the Conservatives taking South Thanet and 11/2 in Thurrock. Ukip look way too short in both of those.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    Hydrogen-powered cars. Sometimes technology seems far too advanced.

    I'm not especially old (indeed, towards the young end of the pb spectrum), but when I was a kid we didn't even have mobile phones (except yuppies, who were roundly mocked). Now we have computer glasses in development, VR is on the way, TVs that can record your conversations, e-readers which are basically the hand-held pads from Star Trek: The Next Generation, internet-connected fridges etc etc.

    It's incredibly impressive, but the social upheaval (most obvious in the internet harming the high street) could be tumultuous due to the rate of change.

    Just on the cars: could we have hydrogen powered trains? Or even hydrogen power stations?

    Hydrogen-powered cars. Sometimes technology seems far too advanced.

    I'm not especially old (indeed, towards the young end of the pb spectrum), but when I was a kid we didn't even have mobile phones (except yuppies, who were roundly mocked). Now we have computer glasses in development, VR is on the way, TVs that can record your conversations, e-readers which are basically the hand-held pads from Star Trek: The Next Generation, internet-connected fridges etc etc.

    It's incredibly impressive, but the social upheaval (most obvious in the internet harming the high street) could be tumultuous due to the rate of change.

    Just on the cars: could we have hydrogen powered trains? Or even hydrogen power stations?

    Death Stars?
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    What do those who claimed that Russia had nothing to do with the fighting in Ukraine make of Vlad declaring a ceasefire?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    9/5 on the Conservatives taking South Thanet and 11/2 in Thurrock. Ukip look way too short in both of those.

    11-2 Thurrock is a decent bet, 9-5 Thanet looks about right.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Hydrogen-powered cars. Sometimes technology seems far too advanced.

    I'm not especially old (indeed, towards the young end of the pb spectrum), but when I was a kid we didn't even have mobile phones (except yuppies, who were roundly mocked). Now we have computer glasses in development, VR is on the way, TVs that can record your conversations, e-readers which are basically the hand-held pads from Star Trek: The Next Generation, internet-connected fridges etc etc.

    It's incredibly impressive, but the social upheaval (most obvious in the internet harming the high street) could be tumultuous due to the rate of change.

    Just on the cars: could we have hydrogen powered trains? Or even hydrogen power stations?

    Hydrogen can basically be used the way oil based fuels are used today. It's not a very new technology, it's just that cracking Hydrogen out of water took more energy than you get burning the Hydrogen. But that is changing fast.

    Once the production of Hydrogen from algae is perfected and this takes over from the cracking process, it will solve most of the worlds energy issues.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    On MORI, don't they usually release their polls in a double format? All certain to vote and all voters? Presumably the non-certain is less good for Lab/Con?
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited February 2015

    Hydrogen-powered cars. Sometimes technology seems far too advanced.

    I'm not especially old (indeed, towards the young end of the pb spectrum), but when I was a kid we didn't even have mobile phones (except yuppies, who were roundly mocked). Now we have computer glasses in development, VR is on the way, TVs that can record your conversations, e-readers which are basically the hand-held pads from Star Trek: The Next Generation, internet-connected fridges etc etc.

    It's incredibly impressive, but the social upheaval (most obvious in the internet harming the high street) could be tumultuous due to the rate of change.

    Just on the cars: could we have hydrogen powered trains? Or even hydrogen power stations?

    Hydrogen is a store of energy, rather than a source. What you would do is generate lots of excess electricity (with wind turbines, say) and store it by electrolysing water to create hydrogen. You can then store this hydrogen somewhere, somehow (this is a difficult bit), and convert it back to electricity with a fuel cell when and where you want the energy - in a car, say, or in houses when the wind isn't blowing.
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