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    TSE - for the last two weeks, I've completely failed to find (even on the following day) YouGov's poll for The Sunday Times. When and where does this now first appear please?

    It generally first appears on here/on my twitter feed between 9 and 10pm on a Saturday night, then at 6 am Sunday morning on the YouGov website
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,222
    Pulpstar said:

    In 2010 there was a 1.35% swing from yellow to blue, real margin of error stuff when you get down to a constituency level.

    This time the swing looks likely to be at least 10%. You simply don't hold on in those circumstances unless you're in a fortress such as Eastleigh or Hallam. Also is it honestly likely that the Lib Dems are going to lose SIXTEEN safer seats and hold Solihull ?

    Unlikely.

    So I understand your point but the Conservatives are > 70% chance to gain Wells in my view.

    If you don't think thats the case then the 41-50 and 51-60 seat bands are a great bet.

    The Lib Dems could gain seats too, they could lose Solihull and gain St Albans for instance but I can't be convinced that 4-9 is a correct price for the Conservatives in Wells. 1-6 maybe.

    I suspect that punters shy away from odds on bets because psychologically it doesn't feel right. As soon as you start betting on such things there is an expectation that you should win and that feels dangerous. So I wouldn't be surprised if there is value to be found in such seats.

    The only thing I would say is that there's still the Ukip factor. I notice the Tories are 1/41 in Woking where I live and while I expect them to win comfortably, if they leak votes to Ukip it could get a bit close.

    That said, if the Lib Dems poll 5 % I wouldn't be surprised if they end up with fewer than 10 seats.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Betting post

    Behind on both Ashcroft questions in both polls (June and September) and now slumping ever lower in the national polls, I don't care how sticky the Lib Dems are - in some constituencies they are surely gonners.

    Top 2 candidates for the Blues are Solihull, 2-7 is probably still too long for them there.

    2nd target: Wells, which the above refers to

    4-9 with Paddy Power.

    As Tissue Price's analysis revealed yesterday the favourite is often too long in these types of seats.

    Lib Dem Seat band 41-60 is currently 7-1 (12s and 16s for the two that make it up) with Sky Bet for instance. If they hold Wells, they surely get over 41 seats.

    DYOR

    Lib Dems may end up at 15 - 19. The loot being shared by Labour, Tories and the SNP.
    I think they'll do better than that, but Solihull and Wells must be marked for the blues.
    I treat Survation, Opinium and MORI as expressions of enthusiasm for the minor parties rather than take them literally. Even on that basis, this is awful for the Lib Dems.

    EDIT add Somerton & Frome to your Lib Dem death row.
    Just checked the Ashcroft poll for them.

    2-5 looks huge for the Tories there.
    Especially when you consider that the hugely popular incumbent is standing down and the Lib Dems are onto his second replacement.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Betting post

    Behind on both Ashcroft questions in both polls (June and September) and now slumping ever lower in the national polls, I don't care how sticky the Lib Dems are - in some constituencies they are surely gonners.

    Top 2 candidates for the Blues are Solihull, 2-7 is probably still too long for them there.

    2nd target: Wells, which the above refers to

    4-9 with Paddy Power.

    As Tissue Price's analysis revealed yesterday the favourite is often too long in these types of seats.

    Lib Dem Seat band 41-60 is currently 7-1 (12s and 16s for the two that make it up) with Sky Bet for instance. If they hold Wells, they surely get over 41 seats.

    DYOR

    Lib Dems may end up at 15 - 19. The loot being shared by Labour, Tories and the SNP.
    I think they'll do better than that, but Solihull and Wells must be marked for the blues.
    Everyone keep saying that. But if they are going to win so many seats, they should be in negative territory in many ! Right now on pure UNS, they are in negative territory in over 150 seats !!!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034
    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Betting post

    Behind on both Ashcroft questions in both polls (June and September) and now slumping ever lower in the national polls, I don't care how sticky the Lib Dems are - in some constituencies they are surely gonners.

    Top 2 candidates for the Blues are Solihull, 2-7 is probably still too long for them there.

    2nd target: Wells, which the above refers to

    4-9 with Paddy Power.

    As Tissue Price's analysis revealed yesterday the favourite is often too long in these types of seats.

    Lib Dem Seat band 41-60 is currently 7-1 (12s and 16s for the two that make it up) with Sky Bet for instance. If they hold Wells, they surely get over 41 seats.

    DYOR

    Lib Dems may end up at 15 - 19. The loot being shared by Labour, Tories and the SNP.
    I think they'll do better than that, but Solihull and Wells must be marked for the blues.
    I treat Survation, Opinium and MORI as expressions of enthusiasm for the minor parties rather than take them literally. Even on that basis, this is awful for the Lib Dems.

    EDIT add Somerton & Frome to your Lib Dem death row.
    Just checked the Ashcroft poll for them.

    2-5 looks huge for the Tories there.
    Especially when you consider that the hugely popular incumbent is standing down and the Lib Dems are onto his second replacement.
    Oh Lol just noted that, had a little £25 top up off the back of that info - if the Blues can't gain this seat doubt they'll even gain Solihull xD
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    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Betting post

    Behind on both Ashcroft questions in both polls (June and September) and now slumping ever lower in the national polls, I don't care how sticky the Lib Dems are - in some constituencies they are surely gonners.

    Top 2 candidates for the Blues are Solihull, 2-7 is probably still too long for them there.

    2nd target: Wells, which the above refers to

    4-9 with Paddy Power.

    As Tissue Price's analysis revealed yesterday the favourite is often too long in these types of seats.

    Lib Dem Seat band 41-60 is currently 7-1 (12s and 16s for the two that make it up) with Sky Bet for instance. If they hold Wells, they surely get over 41 seats.

    DYOR

    Lib Dems may end up at 15 - 19. The loot being shared by Labour, Tories and the SNP.
    I think they'll do better than that, but Solihull and Wells must be marked for the blues.
    I treat Survation, Opinium and MORI as expressions of enthusiasm for the minor parties rather than take them literally. Even on that basis, this is awful for the Lib Dems.

    EDIT add Somerton & Frome to your Lib Dem death row.
    antifrank - I was surprised a couple of days ago when you suggested backing 31-40 LD MPs (in combination with the 21-30 sear band). I personally can't see them winning close to 31+ seats.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,714
    edited January 2015
    Just stuck £30 on Tories winning Twickenham

    6/1 with Mr Hill
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    video of apparent ISIS murder of Japanese hostage released...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034
    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    In 2010 there was a 1.35% swing from yellow to blue, real margin of error stuff when you get down to a constituency level.

    This time the swing looks likely to be at least 10%. You simply don't hold on in those circumstances unless you're in a fortress such as Eastleigh or Hallam. Also is it honestly likely that the Lib Dems are going to lose SIXTEEN safer seats and hold Solihull ?

    Unlikely.

    So I understand your point but the Conservatives are > 70% chance to gain Wells in my view.

    If you don't think thats the case then the 41-50 and 51-60 seat bands are a great bet.

    The Lib Dems could gain seats too, they could lose Solihull and gain St Albans for instance but I can't be convinced that 4-9 is a correct price for the Conservatives in Wells. 1-6 maybe.

    I suspect that punters shy away from odds on bets because psychologically it doesn't feel right. As soon as you start betting on such things there is an expectation that you should win and that feels dangerous. So I wouldn't be surprised if there is value to be found in such seats.

    The only thing I would say is that there's still the Ukip factor. I notice the Tories are 1/41 in Woking where I live and while I expect them to win comfortably, if they leak votes to Ukip it could get a bit close.

    That said, if the Lib Dems poll 5 % I wouldn't be surprised if they end up with fewer than 10 seats.
    The price range for seats is far too narrow compared to the overall, outsiders aren't long enough in alot of cases.

    Or No Overall Majority is now too short. One of the two.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034

    Just stuck £30 on Tories winning Twickenham

    6/1 with Mr Hill

    Have you been at Audrey Anne's smelling salts ?

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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Betting post

    Behind on both Ashcroft questions in both polls (June and September) and now slumping ever lower in the national polls, I don't care how sticky the Lib Dems are - in some constituencies they are surely gonners.

    Top 2 candidates for the Blues are Solihull, 2-7 is probably still too long for them there.

    2nd target: Wells, which the above refers to

    4-9 with Paddy Power.

    As Tissue Price's analysis revealed yesterday the favourite is often too long in these types of seats.

    Lib Dem Seat band 41-60 is currently 7-1 (12s and 16s for the two that make it up) with Sky Bet for instance. If they hold Wells, they surely get over 41 seats.

    DYOR

    Lib Dems may end up at 15 - 19. The loot being shared by Labour, Tories and the SNP.
    I think they'll do better than that, but Solihull and Wells must be marked for the blues.
    I treat Survation, Opinium and MORI as expressions of enthusiasm for the minor parties rather than take them literally. Even on that basis, this is awful for the Lib Dems.

    EDIT add Somerton & Frome to your Lib Dem death row.
    antifrank - I was surprised a couple of days ago when you suggested backing 31-40 LD MPs (in combination with the 21-30 sear band). I personally can't see them winning close to 31+ seats.
    There are other seats with small swings they'll probably keep, like Eastbourne and Sutton & Cheam. My best guess is more or less dead on 30 seats at present.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited January 2015
    IMO the LDs can't be written off where they have incumbents standing again no matter how small the majority. So Solihull, Wells, St Austell could stay yellow. On the other hand marginal seats where the LD MP is standing down like Somerton and Mid Dorset are very likely to change hands.
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    Bugger - Did we miss this? From last weekend

    Wisdom Index poll: Tories narrowly ahead in election race

    An exclusive ICM poll for The Telegraph predicts that Ukip support is falling, while the Tories edge ahead in the Midlands, the South and even Wales

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11367694/Wisdom-Index-poll-Tories-narrowly-ahead-in-election-race.html
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    edited January 2015
    surbiton said:

    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Betting post

    Behind on both Ashcroft questions in both polls (June and September) and now slumping ever lower in the national polls, I don't care how sticky the Lib Dems are - in some constituencies they are surely gonners.

    Top 2 candidates for the Blues are Solihull, 2-7 is probably still too long for them there.

    2nd target: Wells, which the above refers to

    4-9 with Paddy Power.

    As Tissue Price's analysis revealed yesterday the favourite is often too long in these types of seats.

    Lib Dem Seat band 41-60 is currently 7-1 (12s and 16s for the two that make it up) with Sky Bet for instance. If they hold Wells, they surely get over 41 seats.

    DYOR

    Lib Dems may end up at 15 - 19. The loot being shared by Labour, Tories and the SNP.
    I think they'll do better than that, but Solihull and Wells must be marked for the blues.
    Everyone keep saying that. But if they are going to win so many seats, they should be in negative territory in many ! Right now on pure UNS, they are in negative territory in over 150 seats !!!
    Either the Lib Dems will underperform UNS or they will do better than 5%. Or both. I expect both. I feel an extended post coming on about a major curiosity of Lord Ashcroft's constituency polling.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,380
    It's a long time (at least two months) since I canvassed ANYONE who said they were going to vote LibDem, though I've met a couple who said they used to and would "keep minds open this time". If this is common, then I guess the LibDem 5% really is overwhelmingly concentrated where they have seats.

    Nothing special to report this weekend - the picture seems unchanged from recent weeks, with minds generally made up. We had over 1000 canvass contacts last weekend, worthy of an Ashcroft constituency poll. I think the only substantial black swan left is the leader debates. I'm doing less doorstep work myself now that the canvassing is in full swing without me, and concentrating on phoning the waverers and undecideds who we do find.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Just stuck £30 on Tories winning Twickenham

    6/1 with Mr Hill

    Is the bet still valid if Cable stands down?
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    Pulpstar said:

    Just stuck £30 on Tories winning Twickenham

    6/1 with Mr Hill

    Have you been at Audrey Anne's smelling salts ?

    Is a saver bet, in case the Lib Dems do as badly as this poll suggests.

    The Oakeshott/ICM poll had St Vince losing?
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    AndyJS said:

    Just stuck £30 on Tories winning Twickenham

    6/1 with Mr Hill

    Is the bet still valid if Cable stands down?
    Yes.
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    woody662woody662 Posts: 255

    It's a long time (at least two months) since I canvassed ANYONE who said they were going to vote LibDem, though I've met a couple who said they used to and would "keep minds open this time". If this is common, then I guess the LibDem 5% really is overwhelmingly concentrated where they have seats.

    Nothing special to report this weekend - the picture seems unchanged from recent weeks, with minds generally made up. We had over 1000 canvass contacts last weekend, worthy of an Ashcroft constituency poll. I think the only substantial black swan left is the leader debates. I'm doing less doorstep work myself now that the canvassing is in full swing without me, and concentrating on phoning the waverers and undecideds who we do find.

    I found one last week, shook them by the hands as I'd not come across one for weeks. I've always found Lib Dems difficult to identify, not something people readily admitted to when they were popular, never mind now.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I'm surprised. Do you think a LD lost deposit in Broxtowe is possible?

    It's a long time (at least two months) since I canvassed ANYONE who said they were going to vote LibDem, though I've met a couple who said they used to and would "keep minds open this time". If this is common, then I guess the LibDem 5% really is overwhelmingly concentrated where they have seats.

    Nothing special to report this weekend - the picture seems unchanged from recent weeks, with minds generally made up. We had over 1000 canvass contacts last weekend, worthy of an Ashcroft constituency poll. I think the only substantial black swan left is the leader debates. I'm doing less doorstep work myself now that the canvassing is in full swing without me, and concentrating on phoning the waverers and undecideds who we do find.

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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,924

    [giggling like a child]

    **re-Crossover alert!**

    Part-ELBOW including Opinium (just the Sunday YG left):

    Lab 33.1
    Con 33.0
    UKIP 15.5
    LD 6.9
    Grn 6.3

    Lab lead 0.1%

    Simple average says Tory 0.1% lead - but take your pick!
    Maybe including YG will even them out?

    On a knife edge like GE 2015
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Opinium have come up with similar findings on several occasions in the last year. In addition to the poll of 4 weeks ago we have had:

    24/10/14 Con 33 Lab 33 LD 6 UKIP 18

    23/5/14 Con 32 Lab 33 LD 7 UKIP 19

    28/3/14 Con 32 Lab 33 LD 10 UKIP 15

    Not much sign there of ‘swingback’ or decline in the Labour vote over the last 10 months! The Tory vote appears to be rather volatile with Opinium with Labour’s lead fluctuating accordingly.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    In 2010 there was a 1.35% swing from yellow to blue, real margin of error stuff when you get down to a constituency level.

    This time the swing looks likely to be at least 10%. You simply don't hold on in those circumstances unless you're in a fortress such as Eastleigh or Hallam. Also is it honestly likely that the Lib Dems are going to lose SIXTEEN safer seats and hold Solihull ?

    Unlikely.

    So I understand your point but the Conservatives are > 70% chance to gain Wells in my view.

    If you don't think thats the case then the 41-50 and 51-60 seat bands are a great bet.

    The Lib Dems could gain seats too, they could lose Solihull and gain St Albans for instance but I can't be convinced that 4-9 is a correct price for the Conservatives in Wells. 1-6 maybe.

    I suspect that punters shy away from odds on bets because psychologically it doesn't feel right. As soon as you start betting on such things there is an expectation that you should win and that feels dangerous. So I wouldn't be surprised if there is value to be found in such seats.

    The only thing I would say is that there's still the Ukip factor. I notice the Tories are 1/41 in Woking where I live and while I expect them to win comfortably, if they leak votes to Ukip it could get a bit close.

    That said, if the Lib Dems poll 5 % I wouldn't be surprised if they end up with fewer than 10 seats.
    The price range for seats is far too narrow compared to the overall, outsiders aren't long enough in alot of cases.

    Or No Overall Majority is now too short. One of the two.
    Or both.

    @TSE, I'm fairly sanguine about IPSOS-Mori - the Green surge has plateaued a little and peak Kipper isn't receding all that quickly
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,924
    edited January 2015

    [giggling like a child]

    **re-Crossover alert!**

    Part-ELBOW including Opinium (just the Sunday YG left):

    Lab 33.1
    Con 33.0
    UKIP 15.5
    LD 6.9
    Grn 6.3

    Lab lead 0.1%

    Simple average says Tory 0.1% lead - but take your pick!
    Maybe including YG will even them out?

    On a knife edge like GE 2015
    Rod Crosby hard crossover at stake but Tory maj still 191% certain according to his model presumably
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    TSE - for the last two weeks, I've completely failed to find (even on the following day) YouGov's poll for The Sunday Times. When and where does this now first appear please?

    It generally first appears on here/on my twitter feed between 9 and 10pm on a Saturday night, then at 6 am Sunday morning on the YouGov website
    Thanks. I don't do twitter which probably explains it!
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    audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376
    Just seen the poll. Given Opinium's usually (but not invariably) low scores for the Conservatives this is very good news. Up 4% too. Will take that.
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    audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376
    p.s. 5% LibDems. Good grieeeeeeef.
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,018
    justin124 said:

    Opinium have come up with similar findings on several occasions in the last year. In addition to the poll of 4 weeks ago we have had:

    24/10/14 Con 33 Lab 33 LD 6 UKIP 18

    23/5/14 Con 32 Lab 33 LD 7 UKIP 19

    28/3/14 Con 32 Lab 33 LD 10 UKIP 15

    Not much sign there of ‘swingback’ or decline in the Labour vote over the last 10 months! The Tory vote appears to be rather volatile with Opinium with Labour’s lead fluctuating accordingly.

    You can "prove" anything you like if you cherrypick polls.

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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362


    I expect their views about economics will change over time. Their distaste for the xenophobia probably will not, any more than there has been a continuation of the attitudes to race relations of the 1960s and 1970s in younger generations. My Dad works in a rough East London school with about 100 different nationalities attending and unless he likes a porky pie to me, intolerance of race and religion between the students is as common as ever (and barely any of the children are English)

    A friend of mine made a comment like yours last month to me... he lives in a posh part of town too

    Well said @isam
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034
    Righty Ho Just donated £20 to William Hills.

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    audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376

    Just stuck £30 on Tories winning Twickenham

    6/1 with Mr Hill

    :) Love it. But I hope Jack W doesn't see.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    AndyJS said:

    I'm surprised. Do you think a LD lost deposit in Broxtowe is possible?

    It's a long time (at least two months) since I canvassed ANYONE who said they were going to vote LibDem, though I've met a couple who said they used to and would "keep minds open this time". If this is common, then I guess the LibDem 5% really is overwhelmingly concentrated where they have seats.

    Nothing special to report this weekend - the picture seems unchanged from recent weeks, with minds generally made up. We had over 1000 canvass contacts last weekend, worthy of an Ashcroft constituency poll. I think the only substantial black swan left is the leader debates. I'm doing less doorstep work myself now that the canvassing is in full swing without me, and concentrating on phoning the waverers and undecideds who we do find.

    Im finding a lot of softness, there are a lot of people out there who just arent decided yet.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034
    AndyJS said:

    I'm surprised. Do you think a LD lost deposit in Broxtowe is possible?

    It's a long time (at least two months) since I canvassed ANYONE who said they were going to vote LibDem, though I've met a couple who said they used to and would "keep minds open this time". If this is common, then I guess the LibDem 5% really is overwhelmingly concentrated where they have seats.

    Nothing special to report this weekend - the picture seems unchanged from recent weeks, with minds generally made up. We had over 1000 canvass contacts last weekend, worthy of an Ashcroft constituency poll. I think the only substantial black swan left is the leader debates. I'm doing less doorstep work myself now that the canvassing is in full swing without me, and concentrating on phoning the waverers and undecideds who we do find.

    Nailed on.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    Opinium have come up with similar findings on several occasions in the last year. In addition to the poll of 4 weeks ago we have had:

    24/10/14 Con 33 Lab 33 LD 6 UKIP 18

    23/5/14 Con 32 Lab 33 LD 7 UKIP 19

    28/3/14 Con 32 Lab 33 LD 10 UKIP 15

    Not much sign there of ‘swingback’ or decline in the Labour vote over the last 10 months! The Tory vote appears to be rather volatile with Opinium with Labour’s lead fluctuating accordingly.

    You can "prove" anything you like if you cherrypick polls.

    There are four such examples from this pollster over ten months - hardly cherrypicking!
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Don’t let it be said that Ed Miliband’s political leadership is useless. It has, in fact, just provided an instructive demonstration in how not to play your strongest electoral card. Over the next three months, his team may well proceed to offer a degree-level course in How to Throw Away an Election – but last week’s introductory module was an education in itself. Having “weaponised” the NHS, Mr Miliband then – choose your metaphor – had it blow up in his face, or shot himself in the foot, or fired a succession of blanks. By the end of the week, Labour’s ace vote-winning issue had become one more grotesquely embarrassing morass of internecine warfare, contradictory statements, ill-thought-out policy and, finally, unconvincing denials that the whole initiative had gone horribly wrong.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11381677/Ed-Miliband-tried-to-weaponise-the-NHS-it-ended-with-a-bang.html
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Just seen the poll. Given Opinium's usually (but not invariably) low scores for the Conservatives this is very good news. Up 4% too. Will take that.

    It is not February yet !
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    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Opinium have come up with similar findings on several occasions in the last year. In addition to the poll of 4 weeks ago we have had:

    24/10/14 Con 33 Lab 33 LD 6 UKIP 18

    23/5/14 Con 32 Lab 33 LD 7 UKIP 19

    28/3/14 Con 32 Lab 33 LD 10 UKIP 15

    Not much sign there of ‘swingback’ or decline in the Labour vote over the last 10 months! The Tory vote appears to be rather volatile with Opinium with Labour’s lead fluctuating accordingly.

    You can "prove" anything you like if you cherrypick polls.

    There are four such examples from this pollster over ten months - hardly cherrypicking!
    Do the monthly average for Opinium and tell us what you find.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @craigawoodhouse: From what I'm hearing about tomorrow's papers it's a good job Ed Miliband doesn't read them.
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    Seriously, what the eff have they done to the Guardian website.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited January 2015

    [giggling like a child]

    **re-Crossover alert!**

    Part-ELBOW including Opinium (just the Sunday YG left):

    Lab 33.1
    Con 33.0
    UKIP 15.5
    LD 6.9
    Grn 6.3

    Lab lead 0.1%

    Simple average says Tory 0.1% lead - but take your pick!
    Maybe including YG will even them out?

    On a knife edge like GE 2015
    Rod Crosby hard crossover at stake but Tory maj still 191% certain according to his model presumably
    After 8 billion simulations, the Tory majority never went below 500. However, Rod Crosby was aghast when Prof.Fisher came in with a even higher Tory figure. Dan Hodges and John Rentoul immediately wrote glowing articles on the Tory landslide incorporating the figures.
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    Huzzah Labour are going to help poor solicitors ensure the innocent have decent representation

    Labour would halt plans to slash on-call legal aid solicitors

    Sadiq Khan, promises to improve access to justice by launching an immediate review of the coalition’s proposed 8.75% fee cuts

    http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/jan/30/labour-pledges-review-legal-aid-cuts-sadiq-khan
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    isamisam Posts: 41,087
    Scott_P said:

    @craigawoodhouse: From what I'm hearing about tomorrow's papers it's a good job Ed Miliband doesn't read them.

    Amjad escaped and defected to Labour?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,222

    Seriously, what the eff have they done to the Guardian website.

    I now hate the website itself as opposed to just its content.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Scott_P said:

    Don’t let it be said that Ed Miliband’s political leadership is useless. It has, in fact, just provided an instructive demonstration in how not to play your strongest electoral card. Over the next three months, his team may well proceed to offer a degree-level course in How to Throw Away an Election – but last week’s introductory module was an education in itself. Having “weaponised” the NHS, Mr Miliband then – choose your metaphor – had it blow up in his face, or shot himself in the foot, or fired a succession of blanks. By the end of the week, Labour’s ace vote-winning issue had become one more grotesquely embarrassing morass of internecine warfare, contradictory statements, ill-thought-out policy and, finally, unconvincing denials that the whole initiative had gone horribly wrong.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11381677/Ed-Miliband-tried-to-weaponise-the-NHS-it-ended-with-a-bang.html


    The problem is that focussing on the NHS, since it was the only point that Labour had left, was always going to be difficult impossible. With nowhere left to go, and Wales NHS cutting off their retreat, 2015 was going to be tough for whoever was the leader.

    It almost makes you feel sorry for Ed Miliband. Almost.

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    I don't read newspapers anymore. I used to buy the times and mail.

    I stopped reading the evening standard.

    Reason - tired of reading biased articles with an agenda to get the right elected with no respect for the other side. Its an absolute disgrace that these papers can write this daily crap with an agenda without no regulation.

    To be honest I'd love every paper to shut down to end the daily bigotry, xenophobia, hate, division and fight to represent the interests of the 1%.

    The press is not free. its corrupt and bent. Stop wasting your money on crap
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456

    I don't read newspapers anymore. I used to buy the times and mail.

    I stopped reading the evening standard.

    Reason - tired of reading biased articles with an agenda to get the right elected with no respect for the other side. Its an absolute disgrace that these papers can write this daily crap with an agenda without no regulation.

    To be honest I'd love every paper to shut down to end the daily bigotry, xenophobia, hate, division and fight to represent the interests of the 1%.

    The press is not free. its corrupt and bent. Stop wasting your money on crap

    so you want a state regulated press, soviet style
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    Francis Maude stepping down as an MP
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034

    I don't read newspapers anymore. I used to buy the times and mail.

    I stopped reading the evening standard.

    Reason - tired of reading biased articles with an agenda to get the right elected with no respect for the other side. Its an absolute disgrace that these papers can write this daily crap with an agenda without no regulation.

    To be honest I'd love every paper to shut down to end the daily bigotry, xenophobia, hate, division and fight to represent the interests of the 1%.

    The press is not free. its corrupt and bent. Stop wasting your money on crap

    Daily Mail online is free ;)
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Seriously, what the eff have they done to the Guardian website.

    Even Microsoft are embarrassed about Windows 8, yet the Guardian are copying them.
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    FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    tlg86 said:

    Seriously, what the eff have they done to the Guardian website.

    I now hate the website itself as opposed to just its content.
    There goes the right wing press for you. Don't go bother reading it.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    I plugged in the last Evening Standard London poll [ 19-21 Jan - sample size 1034 ] and UNS gives:

    Lab 47 [ 38 ]
    Con 24 [ 28 ]
    LD 2 [ 7 ]

    This is the first simulation I have come across where the LDs lose Bermondsey. By the way, the two are Twickenham and Kingston & Surbiton.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Pulpstar said:

    I don't read newspapers anymore. I used to buy the times and mail.

    I stopped reading the evening standard.

    Reason - tired of reading biased articles with an agenda to get the right elected with no respect for the other side. Its an absolute disgrace that these papers can write this daily crap with an agenda without no regulation.

    To be honest I'd love every paper to shut down to end the daily bigotry, xenophobia, hate, division and fight to represent the interests of the 1%.

    The press is not free. its corrupt and bent. Stop wasting your money on crap

    Daily Mail online is free ;)
    And it's still too expensive.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,924

    Seriously, what the eff have they done to the Guardian website.

    I like it.

    Its modern.

    BTW what did you think of Kingsman.

    I predict you liked the ending at the bottom of the film!!
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Opinium have come up with similar findings on several occasions in the last year. In addition to the poll of 4 weeks ago we have had:

    24/10/14 Con 33 Lab 33 LD 6 UKIP 18

    23/5/14 Con 32 Lab 33 LD 7 UKIP 19

    28/3/14 Con 32 Lab 33 LD 10 UKIP 15

    Not much sign there of ‘swingback’ or decline in the Labour vote over the last 10 months! The Tory vote appears to be rather volatile with Opinium with Labour’s lead fluctuating accordingly.

    You can "prove" anything you like if you cherrypick polls.

    There are four such examples from this pollster over ten months - hardly cherrypicking!
    Do the monthly average for Opinium and tell us what you find.
    OK - since early March 2014 the average Labour lead with Opinium has been 3.7%
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    Seriously, what the eff have they done to the Guardian website.

    I like it.

    Its modern.

    BTW what did you think of Kingsman.

    I predict you liked the ending at the bottom of the film!!
    Not watched it yet. The snow got in the way.

    I might watch it on Monday.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Scott_P said:

    Don’t let it be said that Ed Miliband’s political leadership is useless. It has, in fact, just provided an instructive demonstration in how not to play your strongest electoral card. Over the next three months, his team may well proceed to offer a degree-level course in How to Throw Away an Election – but last week’s introductory module was an education in itself. Having “weaponised” the NHS, Mr Miliband then – choose your metaphor – had it blow up in his face, or shot himself in the foot, or fired a succession of blanks. By the end of the week, Labour’s ace vote-winning issue had become one more grotesquely embarrassing morass of internecine warfare, contradictory statements, ill-thought-out policy and, finally, unconvincing denials that the whole initiative had gone horribly wrong.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11381677/Ed-Miliband-tried-to-weaponise-the-NHS-it-ended-with-a-bang.html

    The problem is that focussing on the NHS, since it was the only point that Labour had left, was always going to be difficult impossible. With nowhere left to go, and Wales NHS cutting off their retreat, 2015 was going to be tough for whoever was the leader.

    It almost makes you feel sorry for Ed Miliband. Almost.



    I do feel sorry for PM Miliband. Are you Dan Hodges ?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034

    Seriously, what the eff have they done to the Guardian website.

    I like it.

    Its modern.

    BTW what did you think of Kingsman.

    I predict you liked the ending at the bottom of the film!!
    I think Kingman was unlucky not to win the 1000 guineas.

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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I don't read newspapers anymore. I used to buy the times and mail.

    I stopped reading the evening standard.

    Reason - tired of reading biased articles with an agenda to get the right elected with no respect for the other side. Its an absolute disgrace that these papers can write this daily crap with an agenda without no regulation.

    To be honest I'd love every paper to shut down to end the daily bigotry, xenophobia, hate, division and fight to represent the interests of the 1%.

    The press is not free. its corrupt and bent. Stop wasting your money on crap

    Daily Mail online is free ;)
    And it's still too expensive.
    I can thoroughly recommend KittenBlock for dealing with the Daily Mail.
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    FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Scott_P said:

    Don’t let it be said that Ed Miliband’s political leadership is useless. It has, in fact, just provided an instructive demonstration in how not to play your strongest electoral card. Over the next three months, his team may well proceed to offer a degree-level course in How to Throw Away an Election – but last week’s introductory module was an education in itself. Having “weaponised” the NHS, Mr Miliband then – choose your metaphor – had it blow up in his face, or shot himself in the foot, or fired a succession of blanks. By the end of the week, Labour’s ace vote-winning issue had become one more grotesquely embarrassing morass of internecine warfare, contradictory statements, ill-thought-out policy and, finally, unconvincing denials that the whole initiative had gone horribly wrong.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11381677/Ed-Miliband-tried-to-weaponise-the-NHS-it-ended-with-a-bang.html

    I think the leak (from who?) about weaponising the NHS has done for them there. The fact that it was leaked was not good news (for him that is).
    Obviously there are a number of things about UKIP, but what must stand out (apart from rough diamonds) is Farage blaming M4 traffic jams on immigrants. I suppose it could be worse since much of the increased traffic is due to more women drivers.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2242074/More-women-driving-seat-Number-female-drivers-accelerates-twice-rate-male-motorists.html
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    antifrank said:

    Seriously, what the eff have they done to the Guardian website.

    Even Microsoft are embarrassed about Windows 8, yet the Guardian are copying them.
    You can see why I'm a right wing apple whore.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    The Superbowl is tomorrow. One of the networks came up with some numbers -

    8 million pounds of guacamole will be consumed

    14,500 tons of chips will be consumed

    1.25 billion chicken wings will be devoured

    325 million gallons of beer will wash it all down.

    The line started after the championship games favoring Seattle by 2.5 points, but has gradually come back to favoring New England by 1.
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    YouGov outlier alert

    Con 32, Lab 35, LD 7, UKIP 15, Greens 6
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    RobD said:
    Relatively surprised by that article. I've know Stefano pretty well for almost 15 years (last saw him when he pinched my table at Scala's in Union Square a few weeks ago) and it's unlike him to speak out so publicly.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,924
    Pulpstar said:

    Seriously, what the eff have they done to the Guardian website.

    I like it.

    Its modern.

    BTW what did you think of Kingsman.

    I predict you liked the ending at the bottom of the film!!
    I think Kingman was unlucky not to win the 1000 guineas.

    Had a great day on the gee gees today inc le Reve and Gitaine du Berlais

    Have risked lots of winnings on Matin Laird to lead after 3rd round.

    If he wins could be a magical 4 figure win day if he finishes in 1st 3 tonight will still be a very nice betting day.

    Dont get many so i have my fingers crossed for last 5 holes
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,105
    LDs still falling? Less than 15-20 looking more and more possible
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    YouGov on Greece

    32% think Greek government are taking right course, 35% the wrong one, 33% DK
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    kjohnw said:

    I don't read newspapers anymore. I used to buy the times and mail.

    I stopped reading the evening standard.

    Reason - tired of reading biased articles with an agenda to get the right elected with no respect for the other side. Its an absolute disgrace that these papers can write this daily crap with an agenda without no regulation.

    To be honest I'd love every paper to shut down to end the daily bigotry, xenophobia, hate, division and fight to represent the interests of the 1%.

    The press is not free. its corrupt and bent. Stop wasting your money on crap

    so you want a state regulated press, soviet style
    You want a press that fights for 1% and cons the middle class making feel part of the elite???

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,105

    Scott_P said:

    Don’t let it be said that Ed Miliband’s political leadership is useless. It has, in fact, just provided an instructive demonstration in how not to play your strongest electoral card. Over the next three months, his team may well proceed to offer a degree-level course in How to Throw Away an Election – but last week’s introductory module was an education in itself. Having “weaponised” the NHS, Mr Miliband then – choose your metaphor – had it blow up in his face, or shot himself in the foot, or fired a succession of blanks. By the end of the week, Labour’s ace vote-winning issue had become one more grotesquely embarrassing morass of internecine warfare, contradictory statements, ill-thought-out policy and, finally, unconvincing denials that the whole initiative had gone horribly wrong.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11381677/Ed-Miliband-tried-to-weaponise-the-NHS-it-ended-with-a-bang.html
    I think the leak (from who?) about weaponising the NHS has done for them there. The fact that it was leaked was not good news (for him that is).
    What I don't get was the muddle over whether it was said or not. If it was, say so and things will move on, or flatly deny it, but IIRC they hemmed and hawed about it, even though you would remember whether or not you said such a charged term.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    kjohnw said:

    I don't read newspapers anymore. I used to buy the times and mail.

    I stopped reading the evening standard.

    Reason - tired of reading biased articles with an agenda to get the right elected with no respect for the other side. Its an absolute disgrace that these papers can write this daily crap with an agenda without no regulation.

    To be honest I'd love every paper to shut down to end the daily bigotry, xenophobia, hate, division and fight to represent the interests of the 1%.

    The press is not free. its corrupt and bent. Stop wasting your money on crap

    so you want a state regulated press, soviet style
    You want a press that fights for 1% and cons the middle class making feel part of the elite???


    Do you really think the Daily Mirror does that?

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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Politico Daily ‏@Politico_Daily 2m2 minutes ago
    Tonight's YouGov poll:
    Conservative 32 -2
    Labour 35 +1
    Liberal Democrat 7 +1
    UKIP 15 +1
    Green 6 -1
    Other 5

    Situation static.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Huzzah Labour are going to help poor solicitors ensure the innocent have decent representation

    Labour would halt plans to slash on-call legal aid solicitors

    Sadiq Khan, promises to improve access to justice by launching an immediate review of the coalition’s proposed 8.75% fee cuts

    http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/jan/30/labour-pledges-review-legal-aid-cuts-sadiq-khan

    I heard a lovely story about the lawyer daughter of a billionaire who tore a judge to shreds over legal aid...will tell you if you make it to the next PB drinks (& remind me).

    Lovely lady & as feisty as her Dad.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,105
    Labour are home and dry - Tories cannot rise above a certain level, and Labour cannot fall below a certain level it seems. People suddenly finding out about Ed M is not going to alter that dynamic enough
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    surbiton said:

    Scott_P said:

    Don’t let it be said that Ed Miliband’s political leadership is useless. It has, in fact, just provided an instructive demonstration in how not to play your strongest electoral card. Over the next three months, his team may well proceed to offer a degree-level course in How to Throw Away an Election – but last week’s introductory module was an education in itself. Having “weaponised” the NHS, Mr Miliband then – choose your metaphor – had it blow up in his face, or shot himself in the foot, or fired a succession of blanks. By the end of the week, Labour’s ace vote-winning issue had become one more grotesquely embarrassing morass of internecine warfare, contradictory statements, ill-thought-out policy and, finally, unconvincing denials that the whole initiative had gone horribly wrong.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11381677/Ed-Miliband-tried-to-weaponise-the-NHS-it-ended-with-a-bang.html

    The problem is that focussing on the NHS, since it was the only point that Labour had left, was always going to be difficult impossible. With nowhere left to go, and Wales NHS cutting off their retreat, 2015 was going to be tough for whoever was the leader.

    It almost makes you feel sorry for Ed Miliband. Almost.

    I do feel sorry for PM Miliband. Are you Dan Hodges ?


    QTWTAIN


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    Charles said:

    RobD said:
    Relatively surprised by that article. I've know Stefano pretty well for almost 15 years (last saw him when he pinched my table at Scala's in Union Square a few weeks ago) and it's unlike him to speak out so publicly.
    Charles said:

    RobD said:
    Relatively surprised by that article. I've know Stefano pretty well for almost 15 years (last saw him when he pinched my table at Scala's in Union Square a few weeks ago) and it's unlike him to speak out so publicly.
    Another CEO of a fat company getting a Tory spot in the house of lords for getting involved in the election.

    I wonder how much his salary has increased since 2010 compared to his staff.

    Its easy to talk behind gated buildings and security guards.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    kle4 said:

    What I don't get was the muddle over whether it was said or not. If it was, say so and things will move on, or flatly deny it, but IIRC they hemmed and hawed about it, even though you would remember whether or not you said such a charged term.

    The assumption is he can't deny it because too many people heard him say it.

    He can't admit it, because every time Labour say NHS the Tories would say weaponise (although that is now happening so maybe nothing to lose)
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758



    The press is not free. its corrupt and bent.

    You can not bribe or hope to twist,
    Thank God!
    The British journalist.
    But seeing what the man will do
    Unbribed -
    There is no reason to
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,924

    I don't read newspapers anymore. I used to buy the times and mail.

    I stopped reading the evening standard.

    Reason - tired of reading biased articles with an agenda to get the right elected with no respect for the other side. Its an absolute disgrace that these papers can write this daily crap with an agenda without no regulation.

    To be honest I'd love every paper to shut down to end the daily bigotry, xenophobia, hate, division and fight to represent the interests of the 1%.

    The press is not free. its corrupt and bent. Stop wasting your money on crap

    Welcome to see another poster i agree with.

    We are massively outnumbered i am afraid
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,105

    Charles said:

    RobD said:
    Relatively surprised by that article. I've know Stefano pretty well for almost 15 years (last saw him when he pinched my table at Scala's in Union Square a few weeks ago) and it's unlike him to speak out so publicly.
    Charles said:

    RobD said:
    Relatively surprised by that article. I've know Stefano pretty well for almost 15 years (last saw him when he pinched my table at Scala's in Union Square a few weeks ago) and it's unlike him to speak out so publicly.
    Another CEO of a fat company getting a Tory spot in the house of lords for getting involved in the election.

    .
    Well it is not as though Labour doesn't reward people the same way. As long as the place exists, the parties will use it as a reward.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Seriously, what the eff have they done to the Guardian website.

    I like it.

    Its modern.

    BTW what did you think of Kingsman.

    I predict you liked the ending at the bottom of the film!!
    Excellent. Very enjoyable.

    (The film I mean, not just the ending. But do stay for the extra scene after the credits...)
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    How long will this last?

    @GdnPolitics: Labour rules out ‘negative’ election campaign posters http://t.co/x98h1skPmp
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,380
    AndyJS said:

    I'm surprised. Do you think a LD lost deposit in Broxtowe is possible?

    Yes, but not certain. I suspect I know who their candidate will be if they have any sense and if they do, he'll get a decent personal vote. Also, there's a reverse tailcoat effect to consider - they have several well-liked councillors.

    What is baffling us all is the UKIP website. Why doesn't it say anything about their candidate, beyond his name? I know more about him than they seem to (he's an Ilkeston businessman).

    http://www.ukipnotts.org/ukip_broxtowe.html
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,105
    Scott_P said:

    kle4 said:

    What I don't get was the muddle over whether it was said or not. If it was, say so and things will move on, or flatly deny it, but IIRC they hemmed and hawed about it, even though you would remember whether or not you said such a charged term.

    The assumption is he can't deny it because too many people heard him say it.

    He can't admit it, because every time Labour say NHS the Tories would say weaponise (although that is now happening so maybe nothing to lose)
    Precisely - the Tories would always use the report of it, so why not admit to it upfront and maybe it gets played out quickly, but since it isn't admitted the Tories can keep using it as though making a revelation each time, daring Labour to deny it (which clearly they cannot, or they would have)
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Charles said:

    RobD said:
    Relatively surprised by that article. I've know Stefano pretty well for almost 15 years (last saw him when he pinched my table at Scala's in Union Square a few weeks ago) and it's unlike him to speak out so publicly.
    Charles said:

    RobD said:
    Relatively surprised by that article. I've know Stefano pretty well for almost 15 years (last saw him when he pinched my table at Scala's in Union Square a few weeks ago) and it's unlike him to speak out so publicly.
    Another CEO of a fat company getting a Tory spot in the house of lords for getting involved in the election.

    I wonder how much his salary has increased since 2010 compared to his staff.

    Its easy to talk behind gated buildings and security guards.
    When a CEO makes such statements Labour needs to highlight how much his salary has increased in recent years - including bonuses paid - and how much he stands to gain from the cut in the higher rate of Income Tax.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,924

    YouGov outlier alert

    Con 32, Lab 35, LD 7, UKIP 15, Greens 6

    Oh dear what a day if true. EICIPM still 2.32 on Betfair too

    So Lab still ahead on week, month or however you care to measure it.

    Rod Crosby hard crossover has gone then too.

    Makes no difference to his model presumably Tories majority still 177% chance
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    peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,875
    edited January 2015

    Pulpstar said:

    Seriously, what the eff have they done to the Guardian website.

    I like it.

    Its modern.

    BTW what did you think of Kingsman.

    I predict you liked the ending at the bottom of the film!!
    I think Kingman was unlucky not to win the 1000 guineas.

    Had a great day on the gee gees today inc le Reve and Gitaine du Berlais

    Have risked lots of winnings on Matin Laird to lead after 3rd round.

    If he wins could be a magical 4 figure win day if he finishes in 1st 3 tonight will still be a very nice betting day.

    Dont get many so i have my fingers crossed for last 5 holes
    Good luck with this BJO. Btw I see your football club has a new owner.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,105
    Scott_P said:

    How long will this last?

    @GdnPolitics: Labour rules out ‘negative’ election campaign posters http://t.co/x98h1skPmp

    I think it is a standard rule to say you won't be campaigning negatively, and so when people accuse you of it, truthfully, you can pretend you promised you wouldn't so either it is not true, or it was not official and so doesn't count
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    RobD said:
    Relatively surprised by that article. I've know Stefano pretty well for almost 15 years (last saw him when he pinched my table at Scala's in Union Square a few weeks ago) and it's unlike him to speak out so publicly.
    Charles said:

    RobD said:
    Relatively surprised by that article. I've know Stefano pretty well for almost 15 years (last saw him when he pinched my table at Scala's in Union Square a few weeks ago) and it's unlike him to speak out so publicly.
    Another CEO of a fat company getting a Tory spot in the house of lords for getting involved in the election.

    I wonder how much his salary has increased since 2010 compared to his staff.

    Its easy to talk behind gated buildings and security guards.
    When I checked he was paid a reasonable amount, but not excessively (around £200,000 IIRC, but that was probably 10 years ago - so something like 10x the average salary for his staff I'd guess).

    Put it like this: he inherited a near-bankrupt Italian distribution company with revenues or around $1 million (so worth about $150,000) in 1970.

    Through clever operations - Ornella deserves lots of credit; she's really the unsung heroine - inspired deal making he's converted that into an 18% stake in Walgreens.

    He's one of the businessmen that I most respect.
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    kle4 said:

    Labour are home and dry - Tories cannot rise above a certain level, and Labour cannot fall below a certain level it seems. People suddenly finding out about Ed M is not going to alter that dynamic enough

    This election is not home and dry for anyone. Once the voters start engaging with the election and the choices they have to make anything can happen including a result that would make governing the country extremely unstable.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,105

    kle4 said:

    Labour are home and dry - Tories cannot rise above a certain level, and Labour cannot fall below a certain level it seems. People suddenly finding out about Ed M is not going to alter that dynamic enough

    This election is not home and dry for anyone. Once the voters start engaging with the election and the choices they have to make anything can happen including a result that would make governing the country extremely unstable.
    I had meant to add 'depending on Scotland'. As long as that is not a wipeout for Labour, i cannot see anything but a Labour win, despite their weaknesses the factors including LD and Tory weaknesses are too much in their favour. They don't deserve it, but it's hard for them to lose I think.
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    audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376
    kle4 said:

    Labour are home and dry

    Lol
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,105

    kle4 said:

    Labour are home and dry

    Lol
    It is not the outcome I would prefer, but all the things that could work in the Tories' favour I cannot see reversing the factors weighing them down by enough to make the difference.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    New voters are right-on lefties that have yet to be mugged by reality. Is this news?
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,924

    Pulpstar said:

    Seriously, what the eff have they done to the Guardian website.

    I like it.

    Its modern.

    BTW what did you think of Kingsman.

    I predict you liked the ending at the bottom of the film!!
    I think Kingman was unlucky not to win the 1000 guineas.

    Had a great day on the gee gees today inc le Reve and Gitaine du Berlais

    Have risked lots of winnings on Matin Laird to lead after 3rd round.

    If he wins could be a magical 4 figure win day if he finishes in 1st 3 tonight will still be a very nice betting day.

    Dont get many so i have my fingers crossed for last 5 holes
    Good luck with this BJO. Btw I see your football club has a new owner.
    Thanks PTP forgot the Buzz of a rally big win (not there yet 4 holes to go)

    Indeed Owls now owned by John West brand been stocking up on Tuna this very morning,

    BTW are you aware of Huntingdons free race tickets bagged some earlier this week for meeting on 1/3/15.

    Am staying with friends with Mrs BJ and looking forward to my first Huntingdon races visit for about 20 years
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Politico Daily ‏@Politico_Daily 1m1 minute ago
    Sunday Times reporting: Francis Maude, Conservative MP for Horsham, is standing down as an MP at the election

    Another one seeing the writing on the wall. IIRC didn't Martians land on Horsham Common?
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,924
    justin124 said:

    Charles said:

    RobD said:
    Relatively surprised by that article. I've know Stefano pretty well for almost 15 years (last saw him when he pinched my table at Scala's in Union Square a few weeks ago) and it's unlike him to speak out so publicly.
    Charles said:

    RobD said:
    Relatively surprised by that article. I've know Stefano pretty well for almost 15 years (last saw him when he pinched my table at Scala's in Union Square a few weeks ago) and it's unlike him to speak out so publicly.
    Another CEO of a fat company getting a Tory spot in the house of lords for getting involved in the election.

    I wonder how much his salary has increased since 2010 compared to his staff.

    Its easy to talk behind gated buildings and security guards.
    When a CEO makes such statements Labour needs to highlight how much his salary has increased in recent years - including bonuses paid - and how much he stands to gain from the cut in the higher rate of Income Tax.
    Absolutely
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    YouGov outlier alert

    Con 32, Lab 35, LD 7, UKIP 15, Greens 6

    YouGov outlier alert

    Con 32, Lab 35, LD 7, UKIP 15, Greens 6

    YG now the new Gold Standard!
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108

    I'm not sure I agree there, but then I only lived a mile away from Thornton Heath where disabled teenager Terry May was dragged of a motorbike and murdered in 1981 by a gang of thugs, apparently for no other reason than his white skin colour, none of whom was ever convicted of murder. It always happened, but is now a much bigger problem. Oddly enough no one instigated a huge public enquiry into his death.

    What hasn't changed is the general head in the sand attitude of the authorities towards the "wrong sort of racism".

    It is genuinely funny when anyone's response to a racist murder to to institutionalise racism into the national psyche. Racism is bad, regardless who does it. Becoming more racist and supporting a racist party like UKIP/BNP/EDL as an outcome doesn't stop racism. It promotes it.
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