Rule 1 when organising a breast feeding conference...? But then again we are talking about the same Scottish Govt that predicted endless high priced oil and had a carefully worked out plan for currency union. I have to say though that this reflects my First Rule (not worked out the other two yet) 'If something can go wrong it will' or put another way - 'If there is a million to one chance of something going wrong it will go wrong, sooner rather than later.'
Since I was away for a few days, I can say this for this thread: Bonkers.
There can be no functional debate with more than 3-4 people, though the Republicans had a go with about a dozen in 2012 and 2008 but the hosts didn't provide equal time to all guests in order for that to work (I remember Ron Paul getting 30 seconds in a 90 minute debate).
Also if those 7 are included then why not Respect, or the English Democrats, or the BNP, and what about the NHA and the Monster Raving Loonies?
Swap the greens for the snp and I think a 5 way debate is more than fair
It makes the polls look a bit silly with all the variations from day to day. And surerly the movement in Scotland drives a horse and cart through sampling.
So we can now say that Cameron's stance on the debates has worked out really rather well from him?
No. Either they don't take place so he can't score an easy win over Ed Miliband, or they do and he has increased the number of opposition parties who will be attacking the government.
Their enemies are each other.
But what they share is the firm conviction that David Cameron has made a complete cods of it and they could do a damn sight better.
Rule 1 when organising a breast feeding conference...? But then again we are talking about the same Scottish Govt that predicted endless high priced oil and had a carefully worked out plan for currency union. I have to say though that this reflects my First Rule (not worked out the other two yet) 'If something can go wrong it will' or put another way - 'If there is a million to one chance of something going wrong it will go wrong, sooner rather than later.'
So the SNP have told the organisers to allow breastfeeding.
Did Labour support a 5 year fixed-term parliament? If so, they probably made a big mistake because things were a lot better for them last year than this.
@DecrepitJohnL It was a tactical master-stroke, get up on stage with seven other people who want to kick the crap out of you (in a few cases only verbally).... and corner the sympathy vote! It Has Osbo's prints all over it really?
Did Labour support a 5 year fixed-term parliament? If so, they probably made a big mistake because things were a lot better for them last year than this.
Even if there was no fixed parliament Labour would still have not be abled to force an early election as the government has a majority.
Make yourself useful, and tell us what the average Lab lead in May 2014 was, and what it has been so far in Jan 2015.
I'll give you a clue, it is close to zero in Jan 2015, and it wasn't close to zero in May 2014.
It's about as close to zero as it is to the lead last May, about 1.2% compared with 2.4%. A drop in lead of 1.2% in 8 months. At this rate the Tories will be nailed on for a majority in about a year.
So we can now say that Cameron's stance on the debates has worked out really rather well from him?
No. Either they don't take place so he can't score an easy win over Ed Miliband, or they do and he has increased the number of opposition parties who will be attacking the government.
Their enemies are each other.
But what they share is the firm conviction that David Cameron has made a complete cods of it and they could do a damn sight better.
Each of them is opposed to the others. The whole point of them is to say they can do better, what we have effectively is a fractured opposition to Cameron. You might think that is helpful to the opposition, I could not possibly comment. Well actually I will. Cameron can appeal to the mainstream in the face of a fractured extreme. And watch Greens SNP LDs and Labour squabble over the same voters.
Make yourself useful, and tell us what the average Lab lead in May 2014 was, and what it has been so far in Jan 2015.
I'll give you a clue, it is close to zero in Jan 2015, and it wasn't close to zero in May 2014.
It's about as close to zero as it is to the lead last May, about 1.2% compared with 2.4%. A drop in lead of 1.2% in 8 months. At this rate the Tories will be nailed on for a majority in about a year.
They just don't need to be only in the lead, they need a significantly large lead (lets say with the SNP surge in scotland, a Tory lead of about 4-5%). So do the math again.
Since I was away for a few days, I can say this for this thread: Bonkers.
There can be no functional debate with more than 3-4 people, though the Republicans had a go with about a dozen in 2012 and 2008 but the hosts didn't provide equal time to all guests in order for that to work (I remember Ron Paul getting 30 seconds in a 90 minute debate).
Really not true. The Borgen 8-person debates simply reflect the norm in Scandinavia, and they work perfectly well. That said, the tradition there is to listen politely to each other, which is, um, not the habit here (one of those cultural differences that we have to teach immigrants, no doubt).
I don't know enough about TV broadcasting in Wales and Scotland. Can't there be regional debates involving SNP and Plaid but not shown in e.g. Surrey? Labour would need to decide whether to put up Murphy or Miliband, etc., but that could be left to the parties.
As for the poll - we keep speculating that the numbers are going one way or another, but apart from the Green boomlet they've remained pretty static for a couple of months, with random variation around a roughly 1-point Labour lead. Trench warfare between the core votes IMO.
Incidentally, I had a day trip to Hamburg today for work - the city is awash with posters, and I see there's a state eleciton on the 15th. AfD look like getting into the State parliament, and the sPD isn't doing well - the curse of the junior coalition partner strikes again:
So we can now say that Cameron's stance on the debates has worked out really rather well from him?
No. Either they don't take place so he can't score an easy win over Ed Miliband, or they do and he has increased the number of opposition parties who will be attacking the government.
Their enemies are each other.
But what they share is the firm conviction that David Cameron has made a complete cods of it and they could do a damn sight better.
Each of them is opposed to the others. The whole point of them is to say they can do better, what we have effectively is a fractured opposition to Cameron. You might think that is helpful to the opposition, I could not possibly comment. Well actually I will. Cameron can appeal to the mainstream in the face of a fractured extreme. And watch Greens SNP LDs and Labour squabble over the same voters.
You haven't read the results of surveys that have pointed that there is no one mainstream but two mainstreams (one left, one right)? Cameron like the LD's can perfectly manage to appeal to none of the two mainstreams.
Since I was away for a few days, I can say this for this thread: Bonkers.
There can be no functional debate with more than 3-4 people, though the Republicans had a go with about a dozen in 2012 and 2008 but the hosts didn't provide equal time to all guests in order for that to work (I remember Ron Paul getting 30 seconds in a 90 minute debate).
Really not true. The Borgen 8-person debates simply reflect the norm in Scandinavia, and they work perfectly well.
I presume the bit where one party gains a major swing purely on the back of a good debate performance was fiction however?
George Osborne trying to suggest he has cut taxes in this Parliament. IFS report tomorrow will say he's done the exact opposite. #newsnight
He's cut some taxes but there was never any doubt that the Coalition's strategy for reducing the deficit included a contribution from tax increases (20:80) over this Parliament. Of course over the next Parliament the Tories are promising more (fairly unprecedented) austerity in order to give overall tax cuts.
Since I was away for a few days, I can say this for this thread: Bonkers.
There can be no functional debate with more than 3-4 people, though the Republicans had a go with about a dozen in 2012 and 2008 but the hosts didn't provide equal time to all guests in order for that to work (I remember Ron Paul getting 30 seconds in a 90 minute debate).
Really not true. The Borgen 8-person debates simply reflect the norm in Scandinavia, and they work perfectly well. That said, the tradition there is to listen politely to each other, which is, um, not the habit here (one of those cultural differences that we have to teach immigrants, no doubt).
I don't know enough about TV broadcasting in Wales and Scotland. Can't there be regional debates involving SNP and Plaid but not shown in e.g. Surrey? Labour would need to decide whether to put up Murphy or Miliband, etc., but that could be left to the parties.
As for the poll - we keep speculating that the numbers are going one way or another, but apart from the Green boomlet they've remained pretty static for a couple of months, with random variation around a roughly 1-point Labour lead. Trench warfare between the core votes IMO.
Incidentally, I had a day trip to Hamburg today for work - the city is awash with posters, and I see there's a state eleciton on the 15th. AfD look like getting into the State parliament, and the sPD isn't doing well - the curse of the junior coalition partner strikes again:
"I don't know enough about TV broadcasting in Wales and Scotland. Can't there be regional debates involving SNP and Plaid but not shown in e.g. Surrey? Labour would need to decide whether to put up Murphy or Miliband, etc., but that could be left to the parties."
That's what happened in 2010, Murphy tanked in that debate, a snap poll put him dead last in single digits.
I presume the bit where one party gains a major swing purely on the back of a good debate performance was fiction however?
Yes, can't remember debates ever having a huge effect there, partly because all the parties in turn had an hour-long PPB+forensic interview by journalists earlier so people who were interested already knew what the main themes were.
It'd be funny if the nation fell wildly in love with the Plaid leader, only for 97% of them to find that Plaid wasn't standing in their patch...
I presume the bit where one party gains a major swing purely on the back of a good debate performance was fiction however?
Yes, can't remember debates ever having a huge effect there, partly because all the parties in turn had an hour-long PPB+forensic interview by journalists earlier so people who were interested already knew what the main themes were.
It'd be funny if the nation fell wildly in love with the Plaid leader, only for 97% of them to find that Plaid wasn't standing in their patch...
Quite. Purely on that basis I guess I will change my mind and say 7 or more person debates would be a good idea.
Since I was away for a few days, I can say this for this thread: Bonkers.
There can be no functional debate with more than 3-4 people, though the Republicans had a go with about a dozen in 2012 and 2008 but the hosts didn't provide equal time to all guests in order for that to work (I remember Ron Paul getting 30 seconds in a 90 minute debate).
Really not true. The Borgen 8-person debates simply reflect the norm in Scandinavia, and they work perfectly well. That said, the tradition there is to listen politely to each other, which is, um, not the habit here (one of those cultural differences that we have to teach immigrants, no doubt).
I don't know enough about TV broadcasting in Wales and Scotland. Can't there be regional debates involving SNP and Plaid but not shown in e.g. Surrey? Labour would need to decide whether to put up Murphy or Miliband, etc., but that could be left to the parties.
As for the poll - we keep speculating that the numbers are going one way or another, but apart from the Green boomlet they've remained pretty static for a couple of months, with random variation around a roughly 1-point Labour lead. Trench warfare between the core votes IMO.
Incidentally, I had a day trip to Hamburg today for work - the city is awash with posters, and I see there's a state eleciton on the 15th. AfD look like getting into the State parliament, and the sPD isn't doing well - the curse of the junior coalition partner strikes again:
It's not about having regional debates, its about how you stop the Rolling News which is UK wide, the National News which is UK wide and the three debates gerrymandering the outcome of the election through exposure being given to parties which are competing with other parties, which are major parties, which do not get that exposure. It's not a hard concept to grasp
I presume the bit where one party gains a major swing purely on the back of a good debate performance was fiction however?
Yes, can't remember debates ever having a huge effect there, partly because all the parties in turn had an hour-long PPB+forensic interview by journalists earlier so people who were interested already knew what the main themes were.
It'd be funny if the nation fell wildly in love with the Plaid leader, only for 97% of them to find that Plaid wasn't standing in their patch...
The snp is different though, Londoners may need to know their policies if they're a chance of being in coalition with labour, because a vote for labour means possible Salmond deputy PM
Quite distinctively different Scouse accents on show tonight. Esther went to the nice school and was brought up in the south of the city, the nicer part. Flatter accent, closer to the Beatles'. Nuttall from gritty Bootle on the North side. More musical and harsher...
Jamie Carragher (@Carra23) 22/01/2015 22:46 Paul Nuttall on Question Time!! The goalkeeper for my district team Bootle boys! He stopped the goals I scored them. Honestly!!
Anecdotal - A friend of mine (A nurse) in the NHS has an incredibly incompetent manager, she won't vote UKIP in a million years but Nuttal's comment about going through the pen pushers like a hot knife through butter may well resonate.
Mirror Politics @MirrorPolitics 52s52 seconds ago .@paulnuttallukip says the SNP should respect the result of the referendum. REMEMBER THAT COMMENT FOR 2017! #bbcqt
It's too late to consolidate all the Eurozone states debt into one overall debt market, and as a result the Euro is doomed.....but we need to get past the great turn date of 2015.75 (1st October) first of all.
Another great day for the US Dollar bulls including me. I think we should see some more follow through, but the USD is getting closer now to an interim high, when it will need to correct lower before the US Dollar bull market on steroids can then begin in earnest with USD worth more than a € or a £ - its shaping up to be a mega move with the last 4-5 months just the start of it all!
Quite distinctively different Scouse accents on show tonight. Esther went to the nice school and was brought up in the south of the city, the nicer part. Flatter accent, closer to the Beatles'. Nuttall from gritty Bootle on the North side. More musical and harsher...
Just another £13bn borrowed by the Coalition in December, and it hardly merited a mention in the mainstream media today. Overall borrowing basically unchanged on where we were in the 9 months to December in the previous tax year. It really is quite surreal living in Britain these days and seeing what passes as mainstream comment, which more and more resembles a smokescreen for what is really going on behind the curtain.
As for the next election, who is the volunteer to become the Herbert Hoover of UK politics? Is it the chameleon Mr Cameron, or the Milipede?
Watched 2 minutes of QT tonight and that was enough - what a desperately tired and pathetic old program it is!
Do you have a preference for a format to replace or program that fills its niche more effectively? I only watch QT very rarely, but am not certain what sort of format would make me a more compulsive viewer of it, so any ideas would be good,
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But then again we are talking about the same Scottish Govt that predicted endless high priced oil and had a carefully worked out plan for currency union.
I have to say though that this reflects my First Rule (not worked out the other two yet)
'If something can go wrong it will' or put another way - 'If there is a million to one chance of something going wrong it will go wrong, sooner rather than later.'
CON 31%, LAB 33%, LD 7%, UKIP 17%, GRN 8%
'I wish, Tim was quality'
Tim didn't even get close to Rod & JackW's forecasts for 2010 which were spot on.
No comment.
But if I dared to, I would say that they are always prosecuted by the press after death since the is little chance of getting sued by the dead person.
The offer is 2 - 7 - 7 I doubt he would have dared ask for that!
If he still wants to prevaricate he can fall back on his earlier demand that they are earlier.
Rod Crosby not hard yet
I'll give you a clue, it is close to zero in Jan 2015, and it wasn't close to zero in May 2014.
SWINGBACKADINGDONG!
GOALPOSTAMENDOUS!
TIC TOC TIC TOC...........EICIPM!
"If he still wants to prevaricate"
Our Dave is a man of decision, he decides then U turns.
Bonkers.
There can be no functional debate with more than 3-4 people, though the Republicans had a go with about a dozen in 2012 and 2008 but the hosts didn't provide equal time to all guests in order for that to work (I remember Ron Paul getting 30 seconds in a 90 minute debate).
Also if those 7 are included then why not Respect, or the English Democrats, or the BNP, and what about the NHA and the Monster Raving Loonies?
A - Yes and No.
Feels good to me
Your point?
It was a tactical master-stroke, get up on stage with seven other people who want to kick the crap out of you (in a few cases only verbally).... and corner the sympathy vote!
It Has Osbo's prints all over it really?
So do the math again.
Dave's good at stalling tactics, he'll come up with something.
I don't know enough about TV broadcasting in Wales and Scotland. Can't there be regional debates involving SNP and Plaid but not shown in e.g. Surrey? Labour would need to decide whether to put up Murphy or Miliband, etc., but that could be left to the parties.
As for the poll - we keep speculating that the numbers are going one way or another, but apart from the Green boomlet they've remained pretty static for a couple of months, with random variation around a roughly 1-point Labour lead. Trench warfare between the core votes IMO.
Incidentally, I had a day trip to Hamburg today for work - the city is awash with posters, and I see there's a state eleciton on the 15th. AfD look like getting into the State parliament, and the sPD isn't doing well - the curse of the junior coalition partner strikes again:
http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/landtage/hamburg.htm
Cameron like the LD's can perfectly manage to appeal to none of the two mainstreams.
Conservatives HOLD Crowborough West (Wealden).
He must have forgotten to take in to account the VAT increase Dave said was never going to happen?
Crowborough West (Wealden) result:
CON - 58.7% (-14.1)
UKIP - 41.3% (+41.3)
That's what happened in 2010, Murphy tanked in that debate, a snap poll put him dead last in single digits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N973XLvC_Xk
Still 9 nights left in January...
It'd be funny if the nation fell wildly in love with the Plaid leader, only for 97% of them to find that Plaid wasn't standing in their patch...
Ampp3d @ampp3d 4m4 minutes ago
BBC factchecked the claim that the NHS is the 3rd largest employer in the world and found it not to be true http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17429786 … #bbcqt
LibDems are only 0.4% ahead of the Greens.
Reports of Saudi media now announcing death of Saudi King Abdullah. Foxnews sources also confirming.
It was 1.7 in December
1.8 in November
1.8 in October
4.0 (!) in September
Did you know that the Green party in England alone now has more members than the Lib Dems across Great Britain?
Nuttall from gritty Bootle on the North side. More musical and harsher...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30945324
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_employers
22/01/2015 22:46
Paul Nuttall on Question Time!! The goalkeeper for my district team Bootle boys! He stopped the goals I scored them. Honestly!!
.@paulnuttallukip says the SNP should respect the result of the referendum. REMEMBER THAT COMMENT FOR 2017! #bbcqt
Not that i expect a 2017 referendum anyway
Clinical outcomes are more interesting than 'efficiency'.
Watched 2 minutes of QT tonight and that was enough - what a desperately tired and pathetic old program it is!
Shock and awe from the ECB with €60bn QE per month from March through to September 2016, and this article rather neatly sums up the predicament they're in:http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/01/22/delusional-demise-of-the-euro-its-a-plan-now/
It's too late to consolidate all the Eurozone states debt into one overall debt market, and as a result the Euro is doomed.....but we need to get past the great turn date of 2015.75 (1st October) first of all.
Another great day for the US Dollar bulls including me. I think we should see some more follow through, but the USD is getting closer now to an interim high, when it will need to correct lower before the US Dollar bull market on steroids can then begin in earnest with USD worth more than a € or a £ - its shaping up to be a mega move with the last 4-5 months just the start of it all!
The King is dead, the King is dead....Long live the King?
As for the next election, who is the volunteer to become the Herbert Hoover of UK politics? Is it the chameleon Mr Cameron, or the Milipede?
It's a very complex calculation.
Would there be room for two with her ego?