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  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Neil said:

    I see pbc's bizarre anti Oxfam thing has resurfaced for the day.

    Perhaps that is because Oxfam have today released a very silly 'study'...
    ... that has highlighted the number of people living in poverty around the world in a very cheap and effective manner. Which is presumably something that people donating to Oxfam would approve of.

    Dont kid yourself that the bizarre anti Oxfam thing has anything to do with this report.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    As is known, I'm not an Umunna fan, and he should've handled it better, but Murnaghan was a bit of a dick. Reminds me a bit of when Boulton was chairing a debate last election and put a political point to Brown, which was bang out of order.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    More insight into Oxfam's approach to massaging the data. See second graph.

    https://twitter.com/cjsnowdon/status/557146128349941761/photo/1

    Maybe they hired someone from the Lib Dems instead of from Labour?

    It is time to strip Oxfam of it's charitable status in the UK. It has become a joke of political agendas.
    Oxfam save lives everyday

    Perhaps Charitable status should be reserved for charities like this

    https://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/william-hague-charitable-trust/
    Oxfam exists to serve its political agenda at the moment. They need to either clear all of the ex-Labour party members out or the charities commission should reconsider their charitable status. People on the national average wage in the UK are considered part of the global top "1%", are you seriously suggesting that people on the national average wage are in some way wealthy? Oxfam are.
    Global top 1% = 70 million people.

    Population of the US, Japan and UK combined is 508 million, so if we assume that all of the global richest 1% are either British, American or Japanese [and none German, Swiss, Russian, etc], then they represent the richest 14% of those countries.

    Your Maths appears to be erroneous. I'm happy to be corrected, of course, if the error is mine.
    That 508m figure includes children, retired people, part time employed and the unemployed. Whittle that figure down and adjust for the average wage how much closer does the figure look.
    When in a hole it is traditional to stop digging.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited January 2015

    6+17+10 = 33. But of course, any such source may be managing expectations. Perhaps 17 is the number they are quietly confident of, as things stand?

    It seems an oddly precise number. Looking at the Labour-held SNP targets, if they can win 17 of them then there ought to be some others which also might fall.
  • Neil said:

    I see pbc's bizarre anti Oxfam thing has resurfaced for the day.

    Yes War on Want and the New Statesman stated there is a problem with OXFAM's links with Labour and the Charities Commission say they have compromised its political neutrality.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited January 2015
    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    I've been out a lot today. Where are these polls that were/are expected?

    Dear MikeK
    Are you sitting down?
    Have you taken all the pills?
    I heard a rumour that UKIP were on 30%+

    Amongst 90 year old males living by the seaside.....
    LOL. :) Actually I heard a rumour that my forecast of 40± seats for UKIP are now a minimum. Keep than fan going; smelling salts on the side board.
    I thought your latest prediction was for 102 seats
    No, look again at the post. I said that 102 seats was a number I heard repeated among kippers at the time.
    I fear you misheard, they were saying 1 or 2.
    I like that one @Scrapheap. :>)
    I'm here all day....... the filing is not proving that alluring, damn why can't Reckless be on the telly 24/7.
  • Neil said:

    ... that has highlighted the number of people living in poverty around the world in a very cheap and effective manner.

    No, it has highlighted a (rather dubious) factoid about the very rich.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    F1: this is surprising, if it comes off. Marussia are reportedly close to a rescue:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/30881741
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    FalseFlag said:

    Patrick said:

    LOL James Blunt! Dude.

    Interesting to me how many luvvies are becoming so very openly anti-Labour.

    Private school and then the Army, Household Cavalry no less, not exactly luvvy.
    What should be the profile of a luvvy? Or even a luvvie?
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited January 2015
    murali_s said:

    I'm not denying that this is happening. The illegal disastrous war in Iraq is still is stiIl a huge drag on Labour. There is also a fear that Labour might alienate ethnic minorities more by appealing to the WWC core more strongly.

    Having said that, the ethnic minorities will still disproportionately vote in favour of Labour. I suspect BME turnout will be lowest ever recorded as huge numbers stay at home.

    Your probably right, but its hardly a success story.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11294984/Labours-crucial-ethnic-minority-vote-set-to-collapse.html
    The number of Indian voters identifying with the Labour party has fallen from 77 per cent in 1997 to just 18 per cent in 2014 - a fall of over three quarters, according to the figures from the British Election Study.
    Pakistani support has fallen from 77 to 57 per cent, a fall of 27 per cent. Meanwhile Carribean support has dropped 14 per cent from 78 to 67 per cent.
    Support from the African community has dropped by 20 per cent, from 79 to 63 per cent, the research shows.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    SNP "expectations"

    Against this, one SNP source told me that the party stood to gain a minimum of six from Labour and a maximum of 17, with the former more likely.

    The nationalists are more optimistic in the case of the Liberal Democrats, They believe they can win 10 of the Lib Dem’s 11 seats if just a quarter of the party’s 2010 vote swings its way (a result that would leave just Scottish Secretary Alistair Carmichael standing).


    http://may2015.com/datablast/is-labour-starting-to-turn-the-tide-in-scotland/

    6+17+10 = 33. But of course, any such source may be managing expectations. Perhaps 17 is the number they are quietly confident of, as things stand?

    My view (and betting) is that they are either going to take bugger all off Labour bar Dundee West or that they are going to pants them and leave Labour with scraps. The swings necessary are so huge even to start taking 10 seats off Labour that I can't see how the dreaded m word (momentum) couldn't be in play. The SNP need an avalanche against Labour just to get started.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    TOPPING said:

    FalseFlag said:

    Patrick said:

    LOL James Blunt! Dude.

    Interesting to me how many luvvies are becoming so very openly anti-Labour.

    Private school and then the Army, Household Cavalry no less, not exactly luvvy.
    What should be the profile of a luvvy? Or even a luvvie?
    I think for full luvvie-cred you have to have RADA in there somewhere ;)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited January 2015
    Indigo said:

    murali_s said:

    I'm not denying that this is happening. The illegal disastrous war in Iraq is still is stiIl a huge drag on Labour. There is also a fear that Labour might alienate ethnic minorities more by appealing to the WWC core more strongly.

    Having said that, the ethnic minorities will still disproportionately vote in favour of Labour. I suspect BME turnout will be lowest ever recorded as huge numbers stay at home.

    Your probably right, but its hardly a success story.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11294984/Labours-crucial-ethnic-minority-vote-set-to-collapse.html
    The number of Indian voters identifying with the Labour party has fallen from 77 per cent in 1997 to just 18 per cent in 2014 - a fall of over three quarters, according to the figures from the British Election Study.
    Pakistani support has fallen from 77 to 57 per cent, a fall of 27 per cent. Meanwhile Carribean support has dropped 14 per cent from 78 to 67 per cent.
    Support from the African community has dropped by 20 per cent, from 79 to 63 per cent, the research shows.
    Poorly worded percentage change descriptions
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited January 2015
    isam said:

    Indigo said:

    murali_s said:

    I'm not denying that this is happening. The illegal disastrous war in Iraq is still is stiIl a huge drag on Labour. There is also a fear that Labour might alienate ethnic minorities more by appealing to the WWC core more strongly.

    Having said that, the ethnic minorities will still disproportionately vote in favour of Labour. I suspect BME turnout will be lowest ever recorded as huge numbers stay at home.

    Your probably right, but its hardly a success story.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11294984/Labours-crucial-ethnic-minority-vote-set-to-collapse.html
    The number of Indian voters identifying with the Labour party has fallen from 77 per cent in 1997 to just 18 per cent in 2014 - a fall of over three quarters, according to the figures from the British Election Study.
    Pakistani support has fallen from 77 to 57 per cent, a fall of 27 per cent. Meanwhile Carribean support has dropped 14 per cent from 78 to 67 per cent.
    Support from the African community has dropped by 20 per cent, from 79 to 63 per cent, the research shows.
    That maths isn't much of a success story either!

    That's what happens when your country drops from 4th to 26th in Maths over the last 30 years!

    The maths is actually fine, it says fall of, not fall by.

    18 is 23% of 77 etc (hence fall of over three quarters)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    edited January 2015
    I have decided, if Ashcroft's poll has the Tories ahead, it will be a James Blunt themed nighthawks, if it is a Labour lead, it will be a New Order themed nighthawks, if it is a tie or someone else is ahead then it will be a Kylie themed nighthawks.
  • SNP "expectations"

    Against this, one SNP source told me that the party stood to gain a minimum of six from Labour and a maximum of 17, with the former more likely.

    The nationalists are more optimistic in the case of the Liberal Democrats, They believe they can win 10 of the Lib Dem’s 11 seats if just a quarter of the party’s 2010 vote swings its way (a result that would leave just Scottish Secretary Alistair Carmichael standing).


    http://may2015.com/datablast/is-labour-starting-to-turn-the-tide-in-scotland/

    6+17+10 = 33. But of course, any such source may be managing expectations. Perhaps 17 is the number they are quietly confident of, as things stand?

    They think they are going to defeat Charles Kennedy? Something I speculatively backed a few weeks ago.

    Somebody said to me, that he's not in a good place, because he didn't take a central role in the Indyref campaign, then he's hardly likely to be able to rouse himself for a general election campaign.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited January 2015
    TOPPING said:

    FalseFlag said:

    Patrick said:

    LOL James Blunt! Dude.

    Interesting to me how many luvvies are becoming so very openly anti-Labour.

    Private school and then the Army, Household Cavalry no less, not exactly luvvy.
    What should be the profile of a luvvy? Or even a luvvie?
    Posh people from the arts?
  • TGOHF said:

    Looks like we've reached peak Kipper fantasist...

    No that's 649. 1 for the Speaker.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Indigo said:

    isam said:

    Indigo said:

    murali_s said:

    I'm not denying that this is happening. The illegal disastrous war in Iraq is still is stiIl a huge drag on Labour. There is also a fear that Labour might alienate ethnic minorities more by appealing to the WWC core more strongly.

    Having said that, the ethnic minorities will still disproportionately vote in favour of Labour. I suspect BME turnout will be lowest ever recorded as huge numbers stay at home.

    Your probably right, but its hardly a success story.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11294984/Labours-crucial-ethnic-minority-vote-set-to-collapse.html
    The number of Indian voters identifying with the Labour party has fallen from 77 per cent in 1997 to just 18 per cent in 2014 - a fall of over three quarters, according to the figures from the British Election Study.
    Pakistani support has fallen from 77 to 57 per cent, a fall of 27 per cent. Meanwhile Carribean support has dropped 14 per cent from 78 to 67 per cent.
    Support from the African community has dropped by 20 per cent, from 79 to 63 per cent, the research shows.
    That maths isn't much of a success story either!
    That's what happens when your country drops from 4th to 26th in Maths over the last 30 years!

    The maths is actually fine, it says fall of, not fall by.

    18 is 23% of 77 etc (hence fall of over three quarters)

    Yes I realised and edited sorry!

    Terrible way of expressing it
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited January 2015

    I have decided, if Ashcroft's poll has the Tories ahead, it will be a James Blunt themed nighthawks, if it is a Labour lead, it will be a New Order themed nighthawks, if it is a tie or someone else is ahead then it will be a Kylie themed nighthawks.

    If KIPPERs are in the lead, can we not have a thread based on this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10dmK7O-KSY
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    edited January 2015
    TOPPING said:

    FalseFlag said:

    Patrick said:

    LOL James Blunt! Dude.

    Interesting to me how many luvvies are becoming so very openly anti-Labour.

    Private school and then the Army, Household Cavalry no less, not exactly luvvy.
    What should be the profile of a luvvy? Or even a luvvie?
    I've been called a luvvie on here.

    It caused me to choke on my £12.95 latte.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    Socrates said:

    TOPPING said:

    FalseFlag said:

    Patrick said:

    LOL James Blunt! Dude.

    Interesting to me how many luvvies are becoming so very openly anti-Labour.

    Private school and then the Army, Household Cavalry no less, not exactly luvvy.
    What should be the profile of a luvvy? Or even a luvvie?
    Posh people from the arts?
    nature or nurture?
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Neil said:

    Neil said:

    I see pbc's bizarre anti Oxfam thing has resurfaced for the day.

    Perhaps that is because Oxfam have today released a very silly 'study'...
    ... that has highlighted the number of people living in poverty around the world in a very cheap and effective manner. Which is presumably something that people donating to Oxfam would approve of.

    Dont kid yourself that the bizarre anti Oxfam thing has anything to do with this report.
    You think they are donating towards the eradication of numeracy from the world?

    How bizarre, in your view, is the Charity Commission's anti-Oxfam thing?

    I think you have a mild case of Child Poverty Action Group Syndrome, the delusion that organisations with nice names are nice, so there.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,347

    SNP "expectations"

    Against this, one SNP source told me that the party stood to gain a minimum of six from Labour and a maximum of 17, with the former more likely.

    The nationalists are more optimistic in the case of the Liberal Democrats, They believe they can win 10 of the Lib Dem’s 11 seats if just a quarter of the party’s 2010 vote swings its way (a result that would leave just Scottish Secretary Alistair Carmichael standing).


    http://may2015.com/datablast/is-labour-starting-to-turn-the-tide-in-scotland/

    6+17+10 = 33. But of course, any such source may be managing expectations. Perhaps 17 is the number they are quietly confident of, as things stand?

    They think they are going to defeat Charles Kennedy? Something I speculatively backed a few weeks ago.

    Somebody said to me, that he's not in a good place, because he didn't take a central role in the Indyref campaign, then he's hardly likely to be able to rouse himself for a general election campaign.
    Other way round, I'd say. Not fronting 'Keep Scotland under the Tories' won't have done him any harm. However, whether this is enough to outweigh the systemic shift in LD vote is another matter.
  • MaxPB said:

    More insight into Oxfam's approach to massaging the data. See second graph.

    https://twitter.com/cjsnowdon/status/557146128349941761/photo/1

    Maybe they hired someone from the Lib Dems instead of from Labour?

    It is time to strip Oxfam of it's charitable status in the UK. It has become a joke of political agendas.
    Oxfam save lives everyday

    Perhaps Charitable status should be reserved for charities like this

    https://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/william-hague-charitable-trust/
    :trollface:

  • thomasknox: Name of woman heading the "Coalition for Inclusive Capitalism", campaigning against inequality? Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild. Yup.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Mr. Eagles, it must be said you're not a typical Yorkshireman.

    Speaking of which, if I ever acquire this 'money' I have heard so much about I may purchase a flat cap.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    edited January 2015
    Scottish voting intentions for the May 2015 UK general election :

    SNP 42.9% (+1.6)
    Labour 28.0% (-0.7)
    Conservatives 15.0% (-0.8)
    UKIP 5.4% (-0.8)
    Liberal Democrats 5.0% (+1.4)

    Labour 42.0%
    Liberal Democrat 18.9%
    SNP 6 19.9%
    Conservative 16.7%

    Lab -14%; LD -13.9%...
    SNP+23%

    That is an 18.5% swing, that means that nothing with a majority of less than 20,000 I think is safe from the SNP. And maybe more than that in Glasgow... 10,000 majorities will be overturned from both Lab and Lib Dem methinks.

    Kirkcaldy won't go SNP - I'll predict that much ^_~



  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited January 2015
    I'm lost. What is your point? Was his come back wrong?

    Plato said:

    His music/lyrics are very interesting. Much scorn missing the point. Only saw it recently. I find his falsetto style odd but it's tragic in context. Well worth paying attention. IIRC he commanded 30k troops. No luvvies.

    Epic war song http://open.spotify.com/track/0TtbdD068t7JBif88ruL83

    Mr. Eagles, James Blunt always came across as a properly nice chap on his two Top Gear appearances.

    Mr. Crosby, that seems a weird thing to storm off over.


    Twitter comebacks aside, I do find his songs pretty horrid (those I've heard). The first time I listened to 'You're Beautiful' I literally predicted each line
    him - 'I saw your face'
    me -'in a crowded place'
    him 'in a crowded place'
    and so on through the entire song, that was how relentlessly cliched it was.
    I


  • Socrates said:

    TOPPING said:

    FalseFlag said:

    Patrick said:

    LOL James Blunt! Dude.

    Interesting to me how many luvvies are becoming so very openly anti-Labour.

    Private school and then the Army, Household Cavalry no less, not exactly luvvy.
    What should be the profile of a luvvy? Or even a luvvie?
    Posh people from the arts?
    I think originally it was any actor who was a bit poncey or pretentious, I don't think posh really came into it.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Ishmael_X said:

    Neil said:

    Neil said:

    I see pbc's bizarre anti Oxfam thing has resurfaced for the day.

    Perhaps that is because Oxfam have today released a very silly 'study'...
    ... that has highlighted the number of people living in poverty around the world in a very cheap and effective manner. Which is presumably something that people donating to Oxfam would approve of.

    Dont kid yourself that the bizarre anti Oxfam thing has anything to do with this report.
    You think they are donating towards the eradication of numeracy from the world?
    I think they couldnt care less about the methodology underpinning a projection in a report that results in a lot of attention for the Charity's agenda.
    Ishmael_X said:


    How bizarre, in your view, is the Charity Commission's anti-Oxfam thing?

    I dont view the Charity Commission as having a bizarre anti-Oxfam thing.
    Ishmael_X said:


    I think you have a mild case of Child Poverty Action Group Syndrome, the delusion that organisations with nice names are nice, so there.

    I would wouldnt I but I'll take my judgement of Oxfam over those who dont think it is deserving of charitable status.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    MD..If so called top politicians are sideswiped by some d*ckhead reporter ..then how and why do they consider themselves able to ask for our votes so that they can go out there in the world to stand up for the country.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I'm on a mission to read books penned by Pbers. Send me a vanilla
    Message with yours.

    Chuka and Labour trying to excuse his littly hissy fit..He should be able to handle questions like that

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Jeremy Browne says we might want to ban the veil for children:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10311469/Britain-needs-national-debate-about-banning-Muslim-girls-from-wearing-veils-in-public.html

    Seems fair enough. It's one thing for adult women to cover up their faces, but forcing young girls to do it is just brainwashing.
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    Alistair said:

    Cahrt in this article is awesome

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/-sp-thousands-britons-claim-benefits-eu

    There are 2 Britons claiming unemployment benefit in Poland. One in Slovenia. And None in Lithuania or Romania

    According to the statistics there are still many more EU claimants in the UK, than UK claimants in the rest of the EU, though the phrase 'Unemployed Britons in richer EU states outnumber jobless from those countries in UK', is an interesting spin.
    Same facts.. different story...

    "More than twice as many European Union immigrants are claiming unemployment benefits in Britain than vice versa, new figures have revealed.

    Almost 65,000 EU nationals are getting Jobseeker's Allowance (JSA) in the UK compared to around 30,000 Britons claiming unemployment benefits elsewhere in the EU"

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11355148/Twice-as-many-EU-immigrants-claiming-unemployment-benefits-in-UK-than-vice-versa-new-research-show.html

    That's mainly because we export old people who do not work, but do use many other public services, such as health. It's a big issue in Spain, for example.
    You think more British immigrants use foreign health systems than vice versa?
    First two words show that you have not met lickle pup: Oxymoron.... Leave him licking his bone....

    :tumbleweed:
  • Mr. Eagles, it must be said you're not a typical Yorkshireman.

    Speaking of which, if I ever acquire this 'money' I have heard so much about I may purchase a flat cap.

    I bought a flat cap before Christmas, it was one to be filed under impulse purchases.

    I had a look again the other day, and they had a sale on, so it was half what I paid for it.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,567
    Pulpstar said:

    Scottish voting intentions for the May 2015 UK general election :

    SNP 42.9% (+1.6)
    Labour 28.0% (-0.7)
    Conservatives 15.0% (-0.8)
    UKIP 5.4% (-0.8)
    Liberal Democrats 5.0% (+1.4)

    Is this a new one, and the changes are compared to what?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited January 2015
    This is very entertaining. Mr Blunt takes no prisoners and a soldier. And Mr Bryant selfies in his underpants.

    Just bruising.

    LOL climbdown with added bluster.

    Bryant really is a prize wazzock.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410

    Pulpstar said:

    Scottish voting intentions for the May 2015 UK general election :

    SNP 42.9% (+1.6)
    Labour 28.0% (-0.7)
    Conservatives 15.0% (-0.8)
    UKIP 5.4% (-0.8)
    Liberal Democrats 5.0% (+1.4)

    Is this a new one, and the changes are compared to what?
    I got it off Scot goes pop, for shame, but it looks about right.

    SNP 42.9%
    Labour 28.0%
    Conservatives 15.0%
    UKIP 5.4%
    Liberal Democrats 5.0%
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Mr. Eagles, more money than sense. And you spend it willingly. That's not very Yorkshire [for those wondering, I require a small number of hats to keep the rain off my glasses when perambulating with the hound].

    Mr. Socrates, Browne often seems like a sensible chap.
  • It will be interesting to see whether Cameron's letter today to the Mosques proves to be a positive, negative or neutral factor in terms of his party's poll ratings.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Dodgy dealings afoot in Argentina:

    AMIA Special Prosecutor Alberto Nisman found dead in his Puerto Madero home

    http://buenosairesherald.com/article/179900/amia-special-prosecutor-alberto-nisman-found-dead-in-his-puerto-madero-home

    The body of AMIA special prosecutor Alberto Nisman was found in the bathroom of his apartment in the Buenos Aires City neighbourhood of Puerto Madero late on Sunday.
    Nisman, who was expected to take part in a closed-door hearing in Congress today to reveal the details of explosive allegations that involved President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner and Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman, was found minutes before midnight.

  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Mr. Eagles, more money than sense. And you spend it willingly. That's not very Yorkshire [for those wondering, I require a small number of hats to keep the rain off my glasses when perambulating with the hound].

    Mr. Socrates, Browne often seems like a sensible chap.

    I suppose an umbrella would be too extravagant - it not being necessary to keep the rain from your shoulders?
  • Mr. Eagles, more money than sense. And you spend it willingly. That's not very Yorkshire [for those wondering, I require a small number of hats to keep the rain off my glasses when perambulating with the hound].

    Mr. Socrates, Browne often seems like a sensible chap.

    Just for the record, I have never paid £12.95 for a fair trade latte.

    That said, I'm tempted to try Kopi Luwak coffee, which costs around $800 a kilo.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Socrates said:

    Jeremy Browne says we might want to ban the veil for children:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10311469/Britain-needs-national-debate-about-banning-Muslim-girls-from-wearing-veils-in-public.html

    Seems fair enough. It's one thing for adult women to cover up their faces, but forcing young girls to do it is just brainwashing.

    You think the adult women are doing it voluntarily?

  • Well had he asked this question of Mark Reckless, we know what the answer would be

    https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/557199925583167488
  • Mr. Eagles, it must be said you're not a typical Yorkshireman.

    Speaking of which, if I ever acquire this 'money' I have heard so much about I may purchase a flat cap.

    I bought a flat cap before Christmas, it was one to be filed under impulse purchases.

    I had a look again the other day, and they had a sale on, so it was half what I paid for it.
    What you might call a flattened flat cap.
    (Btw, I have one too, especially for my forays North)
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    And Mr Oxfam US is paid $500K?

    Neil said:

    I see pbc's bizarre anti Oxfam thing has resurfaced for the day.

    Perhaps that is because Oxfam have today released a very silly 'study'.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    So, when we get a poll, we need to add two to the Tory Score, and take two from the Labour score.

    So last week's Ashcroft poll was a Tory lead of 10%

    20mins to go random number generator warming up for todays LARGER
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Cameron-Eel
    Miliband-Rabbit
    Clegg-Snake
    Farage-Donkey
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    MaxPB said:

    More insight into Oxfam's approach to massaging the data. See second graph.

    https://twitter.com/cjsnowdon/status/557146128349941761/photo/1

    Maybe they hired someone from the Lib Dems instead of from Labour?

    It is time to strip Oxfam of it's charitable status in the UK. It has become a joke of political agendas.
    Oxfam save lives everyday

    Perhaps Charitable status should be reserved for charities like this

    https://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/william-hague-charitable-trust/
    :trollface:

    Strip it from this one.

    http://order-order.com/2014/01/24/exc-gordon-brown-office-has-10000-a-week-expenses-raises-over-3-million-gives-less-than-1-million-to-charity/
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Ishmael_X said:

    Socrates said:

    Jeremy Browne says we might want to ban the veil for children:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10311469/Britain-needs-national-debate-about-banning-Muslim-girls-from-wearing-veils-in-public.html

    Seems fair enough. It's one thing for adult women to cover up their faces, but forcing young girls to do it is just brainwashing.

    You think the adult women are doing it voluntarily?

    I've never seen a niqab on a young girl, I think it is something that generally is worn after puberty iirc - which makes Jeremy's point sort of moot ?
  • Well had he asked this question of Mark Reckless, we know what the answer would be

    https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/557199925583167488

    Is there a prize for guessing correctly?

    My guess is a hamster.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited January 2015
    Lord Tease:

    Lord Ashcroft ‏@LordAshcroft

    Calling all Greens. See the Ashcroft National Poll at 4pm.... #libdemsmayturngreen
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    Mr Eagles,

    One of my Yorkshire colleagues has a famous phrase.

    It's ... "How much!"

    Usually reserved for when someone wants to charge him more than £2.80 a pint.
  • FF42FF42 Posts: 114
    Pulpstar said:

    Scottish voting intentions for the May 2015 UK
    That is an 18.5% swing, that means that nothing with a majority of less than 20,000 I think is safe from the SNP. And maybe more than that in Glasgow... 10,000 majorities will be overturned from both Lab and Lib Dem methinks.

    Kirkcaldy won't go SNP - I'll predict that much ^_~

    As well as turnout in a generally disillusioned electorate that I mentioned below, the other unknown is the amount of tactical voting. The SNP are second just about everywhere. This disadvantage for them under FPTP becomes a huge advantage at a marginally higher voter share. But it means they will win seats on vote shares in the thirties in seats that are three or possibly four way marginals. It particularly applies to places like Edinburgh, which has never been an SNP city but has had decent Conservative and Liberal turnouts in the past. It is certainly possible for all seats in Edinburgh to go SNP, but just as it's possible for the SNP to win on a small voter share, any tactical voting will be relatively effective due to the same kind of gearing. There are quite a lot of Scots who really HATE the SNP now, so there may be anti-SNP tactical voting: probably Conservatives and Lib Dems who lend their vote to Labour to keep the SNP out.

    The SNP will make considerable gains, but not sure if it will be the wipeout.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I noticed Mr Blunt swears a lot even in Its Beautiful. I've been converted to this tune. And have 2500 others as a yardstick. Dismissal at your peril
  • CD13 said:

    Mr Eagles,

    One of my Yorkshire colleagues has a famous phrase.

    It's ... "How much!"

    Usually reserved for when someone wants to charge him more than £2.80 a pint.

    This is the flat cap I bought at full price, I wonder what his reaction would be

    http://www.hugoboss.com/uk/flat-cap-'sentorio'-in-wool/hbeu50271475.html
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    FF42 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scottish voting intentions for the May 2015 UK
    That is an 18.5% swing, that means that nothing with a majority of less than 20,000 I think is safe from the SNP. And maybe more than that in Glasgow... 10,000 majorities will be overturned from both Lab and Lib Dem methinks.

    Kirkcaldy won't go SNP - I'll predict that much ^_~

    As well as turnout in a generally disillusioned electorate that I mentioned below, the other unknown is the amount of tactical voting. The SNP are second just about everywhere. This disadvantage for them under FPTP becomes a huge advantage at a marginally higher voter share. But it means they will win seats on vote shares in the thirties in seats that are three or possibly four way marginals. It particularly applies to places like Edinburgh, which has never been an SNP city but has had decent Conservative and Liberal turnouts in the past. It is certainly possible for all seats in Edinburgh to go SNP, but just as it's possible for the SNP to win on a small voter share, any tactical voting will be relatively effective due to the same kind of gearing. There are quite a lot of Scots who really HATE the SNP now, so there may be anti-SNP tactical voting: probably Conservatives and Lib Dems who lend their vote to Labour to keep the SNP out.

    The SNP will make considerable gains, but not sure if it will be the wipeout.
    Or it could be carnage - like the Scots elections...
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Plato..more than happy to pass on the info Maybe OGH can give you the e.mail address
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Mr. Eagles, more money than sense. And you spend it willingly. That's not very Yorkshire [for those wondering, I require a small number of hats to keep the rain off my glasses when perambulating with the hound].

    Mr. Socrates, Browne often seems like a sensible chap.

    Why plural - do you have a small number of heads?

    I simply pop the whippet on top of my head until the shower passes.

  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Pulpstar said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Socrates said:

    Jeremy Browne says we might want to ban the veil for children:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10311469/Britain-needs-national-debate-about-banning-Muslim-girls-from-wearing-veils-in-public.html

    Seems fair enough. It's one thing for adult women to cover up their faces, but forcing young girls to do it is just brainwashing.

    You think the adult women are doing it voluntarily?

    I've never seen a niqab on a young girl, I think it is something that generally is worn after puberty iirc - which makes Jeremy's point sort of moot ?
    Don't girls go to school after puberty....? I hope so, but I am prepared to be depressed.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    edited January 2015
    FF42 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scottish voting intentions for the May 2015 UK
    That is an 18.5% swing, that means that nothing with a majority of less than 20,000 I think is safe from the SNP. And maybe more than that in Glasgow... 10,000 majorities will be overturned from both Lab and Lib Dem methinks.

    Kirkcaldy won't go SNP - I'll predict that much ^_~

    As well as turnout in a generally disillusioned electorate that I mentioned below, the other unknown is the amount of tactical voting. The SNP are second just about everywhere. This disadvantage for them under FPTP becomes a huge advantage at a marginally higher voter share. But it means they will win seats on vote shares in the thirties in seats that are three or possibly four way marginals. It particularly applies to places like Edinburgh, which has never been an SNP city but has had decent Conservative and Liberal turnouts in the past. It is certainly possible for all seats in Edinburgh to go SNP, but just as it's possible for the SNP to win on a small voter share, any tactical voting will be relatively effective due to the same kind of gearing. There are quite a lot of Scots who really HATE the SNP now, so there may be anti-SNP tactical voting: probably Conservatives and Lib Dems who lend their vote to Labour to keep the SNP out.

    The SNP will make considerable gains, but not sure if it will be the wipeout.
    Aberdeenshire, West and Kincardine was a constituency I was racking my brains over earlier, could some of those LD & Lab voters vote tactically Conservative- might the Lib Dems hold, could it be a Tory gain...

    I have no idea on that one. Livingston looked like a fairly simple Lab-SNP battle to my eyes at any rate (With ONLY a 11,000 Lab-SNP majority to overcome) so I went for that one.

    Edit: Had another think, it's going SNP.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Lord Tease:

    Lord Ashcroft ‏@LordAshcroft

    Calling all Greens. See the Ashcroft National Poll at 4pm.... #libdemsmayturngreen

    He's just trying to get TSE worked up about his Greens to outpoll the Lib Dems in GE bet.
  • I'm guessing for Ed - Gerbil, Hamster or Panda Bear?
  • Neil said:

    Lord Tease:

    Lord Ashcroft ‏@LordAshcroft

    Calling all Greens. See the Ashcroft National Poll at 4pm.... #libdemsmayturngreen

    He's just trying to get TSE worked up about his Greens to outpoll the Lib Dems in GE bet.
    And my bet with Tissue Price, that the Greens will be third or higher in next month's Ipsos-Mori poll.
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    FF42 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scottish voting intentions for the May 2015 UK
    That is an 18.5% swing, that means that nothing with a majority of less than 20,000 I think is safe from the SNP. And maybe more than that in Glasgow... 10,000 majorities will be overturned from both Lab and Lib Dem methinks.

    Kirkcaldy won't go SNP - I'll predict that much ^_~

    As well as turnout in a generally disillusioned electorate that I mentioned below, the other unknown is the amount of tactical voting. The SNP are second just about everywhere. This disadvantage for them under FPTP becomes a huge advantage at a marginally higher voter share. But it means they will win seats on vote shares in the thirties in seats that are three or possibly four way marginals. It particularly applies to places like Edinburgh, which has never been an SNP city but has had decent Conservative and Liberal turnouts in the past. It is certainly possible for all seats in Edinburgh to go SNP, but just as it's possible for the SNP to win on a small voter share, any tactical voting will be relatively effective due to the same kind of gearing. There are quite a lot of Scots who really HATE the SNP now, so there may be anti-SNP tactical voting: probably Conservatives and Lib Dems who lend their vote to Labour to keep the SNP out.

    The SNP will make considerable gains, but not sure if it will be the wipeout.
    Comes down to who do Scottish Tories hate the most - Milliband or the SNP? I think as many of them will vote tactically each way, depending on who they hate the most.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Plato said:

    And Mr Oxfam US is paid $500K?

    Neil said:

    I see pbc's bizarre anti Oxfam thing has resurfaced for the day.

    Perhaps that is because Oxfam have today released a very silly 'study'.
    To show you how silly it is: Suppose we have one couple who own 99% of the world's wealth and 99 couples who own 1% of the word's wealth.

    That couple have two children who inherit everything. (Probably only 1 of course). The poor couples have 2.54 children each. (probably much more, poorer families need more children)

    Next generation we have 127 couples - 1 of which owns the 99%. But now the percentage has reduced from '1% owning 99%' to 'three quarters of 1% now own 99%'.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    £30 @ 11-10 Aberdeenshire West & Kincardine it is.
  • Neil said:

    Lord Tease:

    Lord Ashcroft ‏@LordAshcroft

    Calling all Greens. See the Ashcroft National Poll at 4pm.... #libdemsmayturngreen

    He's just trying to get TSE worked up about his Greens to outpoll the Lib Dems in GE bet.
    And my bet with Tissue Price, that the Greens will be third or higher in next month's Ipsos-Mori poll.
    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/556884375057739776
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited January 2015
    calum said:

    FF42 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scottish voting intentions for the May 2015 UK
    That is an 18.5% swing, that means that nothing with a majority of less than 20,000 I think is safe from the SNP. And maybe more than that in Glasgow... 10,000 majorities will be overturned from both Lab and Lib Dem methinks.

    Kirkcaldy won't go SNP - I'll predict that much ^_~

    As well as turnout in a generally disillusioned electorate that I mentioned below, the other unknown is the amount of tactical voting. The SNP are second just about everywhere. This disadvantage for them under FPTP becomes a huge advantage at a marginally higher voter share. But it means they will win seats on vote shares in the thirties in seats that are three or possibly four way marginals. It particularly applies to places like Edinburgh, which has never been an SNP city but has had decent Conservative and Liberal turnouts in the past. It is certainly possible for all seats in Edinburgh to go SNP, but just as it's possible for the SNP to win on a small voter share, any tactical voting will be relatively effective due to the same kind of gearing. There are quite a lot of Scots who really HATE the SNP now, so there may be anti-SNP tactical voting: probably Conservatives and Lib Dems who lend their vote to Labour to keep the SNP out.

    The SNP will make considerable gains, but not sure if it will be the wipeout.
    Comes down to who do Scottish Tories hate the most - Milliband or the SNP? I think as many of them will vote tactically each way, depending on who they hate the most.
    Clearly Miliband I would think, if they get him elected he will do a deal with Ms Sturgeon and they will get the SNP anyway. If they help get the SNP in, they might get a Tory or Tory-led government. Best to save the hatred of the SNP for 2016.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    FF42 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scottish voting intentions for the May 2015 UK
    That is an 18.5% swing, that means that nothing with a majority of less than 20,000 I think is safe from the SNP. And maybe more than that in Glasgow... 10,000 majorities will be overturned from both Lab and Lib Dem methinks.

    Kirkcaldy won't go SNP - I'll predict that much ^_~

    As well as turnout in a generally disillusioned electorate that I mentioned below, the other unknown is the amount of tactical voting. The SNP are second just about everywhere. This disadvantage for them under FPTP becomes a huge advantage at a marginally higher voter share. But it means they will win seats on vote shares in the thirties in seats that are three or possibly four way marginals. It particularly applies to places like Edinburgh, which has never been an SNP city but has had decent Conservative and Liberal turnouts in the past. It is certainly possible for all seats in Edinburgh to go SNP, but just as it's possible for the SNP to win on a small voter share, any tactical voting will be relatively effective due to the same kind of gearing. There are quite a lot of Scots who really HATE the SNP now, so there may be anti-SNP tactical voting: probably Conservatives and Lib Dems who lend their vote to Labour to keep the SNP out.

    The SNP will make considerable gains, but not sure if it will be the wipeout.
    I don't know how much tactical voting there was back in 1910, but it's interesting to see that the Irish Parliamentary Party took 73 out of 103 seats in the December 1910 election on 43.6% of the vote within Ireland.

    Again, in the 1918 election Sinn Fein took 73 out of 105 seats on 46.9% of the vote.

    And in Scotland in 2010, Labour won 41 of 59 seats on 42.0% of the vote.

    It looks like it is pretty hard to receive ~40-45% of the vote and not win something like two-thirds or three-quarters of the seats. That's FPTP. Tactical voting is difficult, because the prospective tactical voter can be misled by the result last time, when underlying support has shifted so much, into casting an ineffective tactical vote.
  • Opinium Research ‏@OpiniumResearch · 6m6 minutes ago
    Even half (48%) of Conservatives seem happy to empty chair David Cameron
    #LeadersDebates
    http://bit.ly/1xnV3PG

  • I'm guessing for Ed - Gerbil, Hamster or Panda Bear?

    Copycat!
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    weejonnie said:

    Plato said:

    And Mr Oxfam US is paid $500K?

    Neil said:

    I see pbc's bizarre anti Oxfam thing has resurfaced for the day.

    Perhaps that is because Oxfam have today released a very silly 'study'.
    To show you how silly it is: Suppose we have one couple who own 99% of the world's wealth and 99 couples who own 1% of the word's wealth.

    That couple have two children who inherit everything. (Probably only 1 of course). The poor couples have 2.54 children each. (probably much more, poorer families need more children)

    Next generation we have 127 couples - 1 of which owns the 99%. But now the percentage has reduced from '1% owning 99%' to 'three quarters of 1% now own 99%'.
    Well, as long as you're convinced.

  • Ashcroft maintains its Gold Standard status

    Con 29 (-5) Labour 28 (nc) LD 9 (+1) UKIP 15 (-1) Greens 11 (+3)

    Neil, the Greens have hit double figures, for what I think is the first time ever.

    The early discount offer is still available to you.

    Also makes it inevitable the Greens will be in third place with Ipsos-Mori next month.

    God bless the Quasi fascist, happiness destroying, economically illiterate Greens.
  • FF42FF42 Posts: 114
    calum said:

    FF42 said:



    Comes down to who do Scottish Tories hate the most - Milliband or the SNP? I think as many of them will vote tactically each way, depending on who they hate the most.

    I would agree with that. Pulpstar mentioned Livingston, which is an interesting example. In the main it's a two way SNP/Labour fight. Sizeable number of Lib Dems last time who we assume are looking for a new home. Will it be Labour or SNP? The final piece in the jigsaw is that Livingston is in the Edinburgh catchment area and therefore No territory. Really hard to call.
  • Gimptastic!

    Last weeks poll was correct, this is an outlier!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Is this the weirdest poll yet of this Parliament?
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    It looks like it is pretty hard to receive ~40-45% of the vote and not win something like two-thirds or three-quarters of the seats. That's FPTP. Tactical voting is difficult, because the prospective tactical voter can be misled by the result last time, when underlying support has shifted so much, into casting an ineffective tactical vote.

    The exception to this is, of course, when there are only two parties.

    Which is why I think the Conservatives may have missed a trick by not dissolving the Scottish branch of their party and relaunching the Unionist Party [of Scotland]. The only voting block larger than the SNPs "45%" is the Unionist "55%"...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Mr. Me, not an umbrella fan. Plus, it's often windy, and there's a fair amount of low branches around here. And, of course, extravagance must be avoided.

    Mr. Artist, reminds me of an old online psych test, where you have five animals in the desert and have to abandon them one by one. It was meant to indicate what values you consider most important.

    Mr. X, in case one gets damaged or utterly soaked (which has happened before). An excellent hat (2003 Schumacher-Ferrari baseball cap, which was a gift) of mine is starting to come apart. Not sure if it'll need replacing, but I fear it might.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    If the Greens actually polled 11% in May, they must stand a fair chance of taking Norwich South and Bristol West.

    But as the Spartans would say, If.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Neil said:

    Lord Tease:

    Lord Ashcroft ‏@LordAshcroft

    Calling all Greens. See the Ashcroft National Poll at 4pm.... #libdemsmayturngreen

    He's just trying to get TSE worked up about his Greens to outpoll the Lib Dems in GE bet.
    And my bet with Tissue Price, that the Greens will be third or higher in next month's Ipsos-Mori poll.
    You can have 66/1 about them being 1st or 2nd :-)
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Oxfam's executive director Winnie Byanyima is fronting this stuff.

    Not sure how common the name is, but - from 2007 -

    Kampala — THE United Nations Development Programme is investigating circumstances under which Ms Winnie Byanyima accessed UN benefits for her sister's child. Ms Byanyima, the director of the UNDP gender team based in New York City, is alleged to have declared her sister Edith's son, Tau Katungi, as her own child. Consequently, UNDP pays Katungi's school fees in the knowledge that he is the son of Ms Byanyima.

    http://allafrica.com/stories/200709141084.html

    As the world's richest 1% plainly just don't have enough to get by on, things are even worse than we thought.
  • New Thread
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    Ashcroft maintains its Gold Standard status

    Con 29 (-5) Labour 28 (nc) LD 9 (+1) UKIP 15 (-1) Greens 11 (+3)

    Neil, the Greens have hit double figures, for what I think is the first time ever.

    The early discount offer is still available to you.

    Also makes it inevitable the Greens will be in third place with Ipsos-Mori next month.

    God bless the Quasi fascist, happiness destroying, economically illiterate Greens.

    ENP 4.8
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Debate scenario: Cameron refuses to turn up. Gets empty-chaired. Miliband doesn't win, Farage does.

    It *could* happen. It'd be interesting if it did.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    FF42 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scottish voting intentions for the May 2015 UK
    That is an 18.5% swing, that means that nothing with a majority of less than 20,000 I think is safe from the SNP. And maybe more than that in Glasgow... 10,000 majorities will be overturned from both Lab and Lib Dem methinks.

    Kirkcaldy won't go SNP - I'll predict that much ^_~

    As well as turnout in a generally disillusioned electorate that I mentioned below, the other unknown is the amount of tactical voting. The SNP are second just about everywhere. This disadvantage for them under FPTP becomes a huge advantage at a marginally higher voter share. But it means they will win seats on vote shares in the thirties in seats that are three or possibly four way marginals. It particularly applies to places like Edinburgh, which has never been an SNP city but has had decent Conservative and Liberal turnouts in the past. It is certainly possible for all seats in Edinburgh to go SNP, but just as it's possible for the SNP to win on a small voter share, any tactical voting will be relatively effective due to the same kind of gearing. There are quite a lot of Scots who really HATE the SNP now, so there may be anti-SNP tactical voting: probably Conservatives and Lib Dems who lend their vote to Labour to keep the SNP out.

    The SNP will make considerable gains, but not sure if it will be the wipeout.
    I don't know how much tactical voting there was back in 1910, but it's interesting to see that the Irish Parliamentary Party took 73 out of 103 seats in the December 1910 election on 43.6% of the vote within Ireland.

    Again, in the 1918 election Sinn Fein took 73 out of 105 seats on 46.9% of the vote.

    And in Scotland in 2010, Labour won 41 of 59 seats on 42.0% of the vote.

    It looks like it is pretty hard to receive ~40-45% of the vote and not win something like two-thirds or three-quarters of the seats. That's FPTP. Tactical voting is difficult, because the prospective tactical voter can be misled by the result last time, when underlying support has shifted so much, into casting an ineffective tactical vote.
    The GE in Ireland in 1918 is a difficult one to draw too many conclusions from because many seats were uncontested which throws the vote share figures out.

  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    antifrank said:

    If the Greens actually polled 11% in May, they must stand a fair chance of taking Norwich South and Bristol West.

    But as the Spartans would say, If.

    Indeed, the Greens are largely the young persons NOTA/DK/DNV in the same way the Kippers are for the Victor Meldrew Tendency, a large chunk of both groups will stay on the sofa on polling day, especially if the weather is bad.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Todays LARGER - EICIPM on 28% bizarre
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    New thread.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    SNP "expectations"

    Against this, one SNP source told me that the party stood to gain a minimum of six from Labour and a maximum of 17, with the former more likely.

    The nationalists are more optimistic in the case of the Liberal Democrats, They believe they can win 10 of the Lib Dem’s 11 seats if just a quarter of the party’s 2010 vote swings its way (a result that would leave just Scottish Secretary Alistair Carmichael standing).


    http://may2015.com/datablast/is-labour-starting-to-turn-the-tide-in-scotland/

    6+17+10 = 33. But of course, any such source may be managing expectations. Perhaps 17 is the number they are quietly confident of, as things stand?

    surely 6+6+10 = 22 with the unlikely maximum of 33
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    in the same way as an innocent inmate of Guantanamo will not be very happy to be told that 'at least you havent been blown up by a daisy cutter', I can see this current angle of telling people in the UK that 'yes, I know that a feral few psychopaths are doing incredibly well at your expense as your living standards fdrop as low as the chance of another tory majority ever again, but be damn thankful you arent one of those foreign brown people we have really shafted' going down rather poorly.
    Still a great value spot for PB Tory based lunatic entertainment, :)
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046

    It looks like it is pretty hard to receive ~40-45% of the vote and not win something like two-thirds or three-quarters of the seats. That's FPTP. Tactical voting is difficult, because the prospective tactical voter can be misled by the result last time, when underlying support has shifted so much, into casting an ineffective tactical vote.

    The exception to this is, of course, when there are only two parties.

    Which is why I think the Conservatives may have missed a trick by not dissolving the Scottish branch of their party and relaunching the Unionist Party [of Scotland]. The only voting block larger than the SNPs "45%" is the Unionist "55%"...
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