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edited January 2015 in General

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On what is set to be a very big polling day the first news we have is of a Survation poll in Scotland for the Daily Record. The numbers are above and show that the SNP still has a very big lead over Labour which would cause Miliband’s party to lose a massive number of seats.

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  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    First!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Hello SNP. Meet Mr Gravity. I see comical James is claiming that "none" of the Scottish subsamples are showing a similar slump to Panelbase - none except yesterday's ST YouGov....ah for the days when Panelbase was the Nats gold standard....
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    edited January 2015

    Hello SNP. Meet Mr Gravity. I see comical James is claiming that "none" of the Scottish subsamples are showing a similar slump to Panelbase - none except yesterday's ST YouGov....ah for the days when Panelbase was the Nats gold standard....

    I see that the Scottish sub-sample in TNS last week had the SNP on 35% & LAB on 33%.

    http://www2.tnsglobal.com/e/36112/6-BIF-datatables-16Jan2015-pdf/2yj5xj/135195539

    Friday's Populus had both LAB and SNP on 29% each
    http://www.populus.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/OmOnline_Vote_16-01-2015_BPC.pdf
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    Interesting to see how popular sub-samples have become all of a sudden.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    Leads of 10-20% are pretty solid for the SNP.
  • JamesMoJamesMo Posts: 35
    Mike, did you ban people in the past for selectively posting sub-sample results?
  • JamesMoJamesMo Posts: 35
    An analysis of YouGov sub-sample results (not just cherry picking one you like):

    http://www.ncpolitics.uk/2015/01/scotland-westminster-polling-labours-fightback-continues.html/

    Summary: SNP 42 Labour 27. SNP down two points from their peak in mid-December and Labour up 2 from their lowest rating (at the same time). The start of something or just noise?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Too many folks thinking the price of oil crashing has destroyed the SNP's credibilty and will cause them real hurt.

    The contrary view is that the price of oil crashing means Scotland needs the best deal it can from Westminster under the Pledge. When you have Labour and LibDem and Tory signatures on that Pledge, who does Scotland turn to when it comes to holding those three parties' feet to the fire? Step forward the SNP....

    I still expect the SNP to do remarkably well in May.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    FPT:
    scotslass said:


    To Carlotta. I think you are wrong on the impact of oil for reasons which were well set out in an excellent article in The Observer yesterday from Kevin McKenna.

    Sorry, but any polemic "analysis" which includes:

    George Osborne’s oil tax strategy throughout the last decade

    cannot, in my book, be described as 'excellent'.

    Because it's what you want to hear, and claims we should ignore the fatuousness of the SNP's previous claims or ignore their silence on the DEVOMAX settlement they will extract for propping up Ed does not make it so.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    FPT:

    scotslass said:


    To Carlotta. I think you are wrong on the impact of oil for reasons which were well set out in an excellent article in The Observer yesterday from Kevin McKenna.

    Sorry, but any polemic "analysis" which includes:

    George Osborne’s oil tax strategy throughout the last decade

    cannot, in my book, be described as 'excellent'.

    Because it's what you want to hear, and claims we should ignore the fatuousness of the SNP's previous claims or ignore their silence on the DEVOMAX settlement they will extract for propping up Ed does not make it so.
    But the SNP has a succinct message for the election. Seven word manifesto: "Make London honour their Pledge. Vote SNP."

    The other parties? South of the border, I expect the Tory "don't let Ed wreck it again" to resonate on the economy. But in Scotland, only the SNP has the message to sell.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,019
    I wish the SNP nothing but ill but it is really pushing it to claim that poll with a 20 point lead and MoE movements 15 weeks before polling day is bad news. I think this poll overstates the SNP lead but who knows?

    In May I expect the SNP to lead the slaughter of the Lib Dems and to take a number of Labour seats despite the level of swing required. Despite Mr Murphy's efforts SLAB have moved from Brown and a truly exceptional Scottish performance in 2010 to Miliband, the first Labour leader to be less popular than a tory up here in my lifetime.

    How many seats? Well, on this question turns the result of election, at least in terms of who is the largest party. My guess at the moment would be that they will take more than a dozen from Labour and win in the mid 20s overall. Labour too may have one or two offset gains from the Lib Dems but a result like that will hurt.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Has the SNP membership rise run out of steam, anyone know?
  • JamesMoJamesMo Posts: 35
    DavidL said:

    In May I expect the SNP to lead the slaughter of the Lib Dems and to take a number of Labour seats despite the level of swing required. Despite Mr Murphy's efforts SLAB have moved from Brown and a truly exceptional Scottish performance in 2010 to Miliband, the first Labour leader to be less popular than a tory up here in my lifetime.

    The difference in popularity between Brown and Miliband is an under-rated factor in the decline of Scottish Labour / rise of the SNP since 2010. Brown is the one Labour figure who still gets decent approval ratings in Scotland, while Miliband's ratings in Scotland are truly dreadful. They are consistently worse than Cameron, despite the Tories still rating 10+ points behind Labour in Scotland. There was even one poll that had him worse than Clegg!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Has the SNP membership rise run out of steam, anyone know?

    Looks like it:

    22nd November:

    Delivering the keynote speech at the SSE Hydro event in Glasgow this afternoon (Saturday), Scottish National Party Leader and First Minister Nicola Sturgeon announced that SNP membership has now reached 92,187

    http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/nov/snp-membership-now-exceeds-extraordinary-90000

    Two days ago:

    Christina McKelvie, Bill Kidd and Christian Allard are relauching SNP CND at a one-day conference in Glasgow today with a call to their 93,000 fellow members to oppose nuclear weapons in Scotland.

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/new-snp-members-urged-to-join-cnd-1.791999
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Looks like a very substantial lead to me. I was expecting the change of leadership of Scottish Labour to have a bit more impact, candidly. The Panelbase poll might have given Labour something to hope for, but this one doesn't.

    Roll on the Lord Ashcroft constituency polls.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    I know it shouldn't matter....but.....will Jim Murphy's Catholicism play any role in his popularity or not? Is he the first catholic leader of Scottish Labour - I've skimmed through and can't see reference to previous catholics.
  • So the SNP are either way ahead of Labour or neck and neck - depending on your choice of pollster. And UK-wide the Tories are either way ahead or neck and neck, depending on your choice of pollster. Hmm...why is it always the Labour vote that seems so uncertain?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited January 2015
    antifrank said:

    Looks like a very substantial lead to me. I was expecting the change of leadership of Scottish Labour to have a bit more impact, candidly. The Panelbase poll might have given Labour something to hope for, but this one doesn't.

    Roll on the Lord Ashcroft constituency polls.

    It is, and if it is maintained, then the SNP's damage to Labour will be somewhere between 'very serious' and 'catastrophic'.

    But as the noble Lord points out, a poll is a snapshot, not a prediction, and as the referendum fades, and other issues, like education, health and the economy come to the fore, voter's attention may shift.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,709
    Slight improvement in the LD vote. Given the weakness of Labour, and their need to defend seats could that mean SLD’s holding on to one or two more than the 2 currently expected?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Patrick said:

    So the SNP are either way ahead of Labour or neck and neck

    Haven't seen any full base polls that suggest 'neck & neck' - (some subsamples, but those are no more than straws in the wind, or not) IF the current polls were replicated in a GE, Labour would be somewhere between a very serious thumping and near-extinction.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,125
    I may be wrong as its early on a Monday but it must be a long time since there's been a 10 point margin difference in polls from different sources. What's caused this? Volatility? Some issue with the method?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,019

    I may be wrong as its early on a Monday but it must be a long time since there's been a 10 point margin difference in polls from different sources. What's caused this? Volatility? Some issue with the method?

    Last Monday when Ashcroft had the tories 6 points clear and another pollster had Labour 5 in front? That said Scottish polling aspires to be ordinary but doesn't often reach those giddy heights for some reason.
  • JamesMoJamesMo Posts: 35

    I may be wrong as its early on a Monday but it must be a long time since there's been a 10 point margin difference in polls from different sources. What's caused this? Volatility? Some issue with the method?

    There are problems in Scottish polls with political weighting. Some use the 2010 UK election, some use the 2011 Scottish election and Survation are now also using the referendum. Using the 2010 election only tends to run into problems of false recall. It appears that SNP supporters are reluctant to admit that quite a lot of them actually voted Labour in 2010. Then you also have the normal problem of response rates; SNP supporters appear to be more enthusiastic and sign up for online panels and respond to polls more readily. Ipsos MORI, who don't use political weighting, showed the biggest SNP lead to date (in a telephone poll).
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    FPT,

    Surbiton says Blair is a Tory but I suspect he still voted for him. Ed's problem is that if he is seen as a middle ground man (which he is by some on the left), the irritated lefties may peel off to the Greens as he doesn't have the personal popularity of Blair.

    On another topic. Eric Pickles has the first Rotherham report (Louise Casey) but what will he do with it?

    If it's anodyne, he may as well release it now.

    If it repeats some PC criticism of the Jay Report. If it repeats some of the Jay report regarding PC issues/puts any blame on the race issue causing people to look the other way, he'll want to tread carefully. It's a sensitive time at the moment. So it may be delayed.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Has the SNP membership rise run out of steam, anyone know?

    No big announcements since just after the Hydro even so yes, run out of steam. But to put it in context it's still 600 new members a day since IndyRef.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,125
    Scottish Greens seem to be doing poorly compared to England/Wales. Only on 2-3% in this latest poll.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    Has the SNP membership rise run out of steam, anyone know?

    Looks like it:

    22nd November:

    Delivering the keynote speech at the SSE Hydro event in Glasgow this afternoon (Saturday), Scottish National Party Leader and First Minister Nicola Sturgeon announced that SNP membership has now reached 92,187

    http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/nov/snp-membership-now-exceeds-extraordinary-90000

    Two days ago:

    Christina McKelvie, Bill Kidd and Christian Allard are relauching SNP CND at a one-day conference in Glasgow today with a call to their 93,000 fellow members to oppose nuclear weapons in Scotland.

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/new-snp-members-urged-to-join-cnd-1.791999
    You can become a member of the SNP for an initial payment of £1

  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    I may be wrong as its early on a Monday but it must be a long time since there's been a 10 point margin difference in polls from different sources. What's caused this? Volatility? Some issue with the method?

    Panelbase tables aren't out yet so impossible to tell.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    ‘a little bit of cheer to LAB but not that much’

    And one could also say, a deficit of 20% is cause for extreme anxiety – as the late Frank Carson would say, "It's the way I tell 'em!"
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    FPT:

    scotslass said:


    To Carlotta. I think you are wrong on the impact of oil for reasons which were well set out in an excellent article in The Observer yesterday from Kevin McKenna.

    Sorry, but any polemic "analysis" which includes:

    George Osborne’s oil tax strategy throughout the last decade

    cannot, in my book, be described as 'excellent'.

    Because it's what you want to hear, and claims we should ignore the fatuousness of the SNP's previous claims or ignore their silence on the DEVOMAX settlement they will extract for propping up Ed does not make it so.
    But the SNP has a succinct message for the election. Seven word manifesto: "Make London honour their Pledge. Vote SNP."

    The other parties? South of the border, I expect the Tory "don't let Ed wreck it again" to resonate on the economy. But in Scotland, only the SNP has the message to sell.
    Can this be the only Tory on the site who can actually use their brain on Scotland rather than their bias. The hilarity that SNP only having a 20 point lead is good for Labour is a cracker. What next Tories on 20% in England is a sure fire winner.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    Has the SNP membership rise run out of steam, anyone know?

    Last I saw it was over the 92K mark , up from around 25K before the referendum. We would surely have heard if it had reached 100K.
  • Has the SNP membership rise run out of steam, anyone know?

    Looks like it:

    22nd November:

    Delivering the keynote speech at the SSE Hydro event in Glasgow this afternoon (Saturday), Scottish National Party Leader and First Minister Nicola Sturgeon announced that SNP membership has now reached 92,187

    http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/nov/snp-membership-now-exceeds-extraordinary-90000

    Two days ago:

    Christina McKelvie, Bill Kidd and Christian Allard are relauching SNP CND at a one-day conference in Glasgow today with a call to their 93,000 fellow members to oppose nuclear weapons in Scotland.

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/new-snp-members-urged-to-join-cnd-1.791999
    You can become a member of the SNP for an initial payment of £1

    You can have a whole year's membership of SLab for £1.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited January 2015
    If any bookies are reading this, any chance you could put up a market on Scottish Labour's GE vote share %?

    ta.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    I know it shouldn't matter....but.....will Jim Murphy's Catholicism play any role in his popularity or not? Is he the first catholic leader of Scottish Labour - I've skimmed through and can't see reference to previous catholics.

    He is certainly begging Catholics to come back
  • malcolmg said:

    Has the SNP membership rise run out of steam, anyone know?

    Last I saw it was over the 92K mark , up from around 25K before the referendum. We would surely have heard if it had reached 100K.
    No doubt it will soon. Like the Greens, there is a tidal wide of applications coming in from CCHQ!
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    JamesMo said:

    I may be wrong as its early on a Monday but it must be a long time since there's been a 10 point margin difference in polls from different sources. What's caused this? Volatility? Some issue with the method?

    There are problems in Scottish polls with political weighting. Some use the 2010 UK election, some use the 2011 Scottish election and Survation are now also using the referendum. Using the 2010 election only tends to run into problems of false recall. It appears that SNP supporters are reluctant to admit that quite a lot of them actually voted Labour in 2010. Then you also have the normal problem of response rates; SNP supporters appear to be more enthusiastic and sign up for online panels and respond to polls more readily. Ipsos MORI, who don't use political weighting, showed the biggest SNP lead to date (in a telephone poll).
    The other problem with using the 2010 election is that turnout was 64 per cent in Scotland, whereas Indyref had 84 per cent turnout, so there are an awful lot of respondents likely to vote who will be ignored or down-weighted for not voting in the last general election.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    Has the SNP membership rise run out of steam, anyone know?

    Looks like it:

    22nd November:

    Delivering the keynote speech at the SSE Hydro event in Glasgow this afternoon (Saturday), Scottish National Party Leader and First Minister Nicola Sturgeon announced that SNP membership has now reached 92,187

    http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/nov/snp-membership-now-exceeds-extraordinary-90000

    Two days ago:

    Christina McKelvie, Bill Kidd and Christian Allard are relauching SNP CND at a one-day conference in Glasgow today with a call to their 93,000 fellow members to oppose nuclear weapons in Scotland.

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/new-snp-members-urged-to-join-cnd-1.791999
    You can become a member of the SNP for an initial payment of £1

    Yes it is £1 a month if you cannot afford the fees, Labour on the other hand will accept £1 for as year and still cannot get takers. Under 10K supporters and scared to publish it.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Good morning all and the Ashcroft single seats for Scotland really are now crucial. There is no great history of tactical voting in Scotland because basically we all hate one another so much that there is little common ground. It will be fascinating to see if Ashcroft shows that is changing.

    It is hard to see how the SNP could topple Labour majorities of 15,000+ but I suppose the 2010 numbers are arguably not a good starting point because it represented a high water mark for Scottish Labour which was then hammered the following year in the Holyrood elections. Have the SLAB to Nat movers decided to stay Nat even for Westminster and is this down to the IndyRef. One thing is for sure, the SNP will do its best to deploy its 100,000 members come March and official campaigning starts.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,152
    edited January 2015
    As J***s K***y notes, the much touted SCon revival on the back of Davidson's 'good' referendum appears entirely absent. It seems, as with Murphy, that despite winning the referendum, it has had very few knock-on benefits for Unionist pols.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,342

    Has the SNP membership rise run out of steam, anyone know?

    Looks like it:

    22nd November:

    Delivering the keynote speech at the SSE Hydro event in Glasgow this afternoon (Saturday), Scottish National Party Leader and First Minister Nicola Sturgeon announced that SNP membership has now reached 92,187

    http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/nov/snp-membership-now-exceeds-extraordinary-90000

    Two days ago:

    Christina McKelvie, Bill Kidd and Christian Allard are relauching SNP CND at a one-day conference in Glasgow today with a call to their 93,000 fellow members to oppose nuclear weapons in Scotland.

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/new-snp-members-urged-to-join-cnd-1.791999
    That really is special pleading - the article actually says

    "With membership now standing at more than 93,000 the SNP is the strongest vehicle for progressive change in UK politics [...]"

    It's most unlikely that the membership increase (which now puts them ahead of the UK LDs and a fair percentage of the UK Tories) should suddenly slow down at that moment. What is far more likely is that they are simply going by the latest official announcement without pre-empting the next major announcement by SNP HQ.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,567
    Patrick said:

    So the SNP are either way ahead of Labour or neck and neck - depending on your choice of pollster. And UK-wide the Tories are either way ahead or neck and neck, depending on your choice of pollster. Hmm...why is it always the Labour vote that seems so uncertain?

    Eh? To what do you refer, pray? There's been just one poll showing the Tories with a decent lead (last Ashcroft - we'll see if it does it again today).
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    As J***s K***y notes, the much touted SCon revival on the back of Davidson's 'good' referendum appears entirely absent. It seems, as with Murphy, that despite winning the referendum, it has had very few knock-on benefits for Unionist pols.

    How pathetic can Murphy get, he now wants knighthoods for Billy McNeil and John Greig. You just could not make it up.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    Carnyx said:

    Has the SNP membership rise run out of steam, anyone know?

    Looks like it:

    22nd November:

    Delivering the keynote speech at the SSE Hydro event in Glasgow this afternoon (Saturday), Scottish National Party Leader and First Minister Nicola Sturgeon announced that SNP membership has now reached 92,187

    http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/nov/snp-membership-now-exceeds-extraordinary-90000

    Two days ago:

    Christina McKelvie, Bill Kidd and Christian Allard are relauching SNP CND at a one-day conference in Glasgow today with a call to their 93,000 fellow members to oppose nuclear weapons in Scotland.

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/new-snp-members-urged-to-join-cnd-1.791999
    That really is special pleading - the article actually says

    "With membership now standing at more than 93,000 the SNP is the strongest vehicle for progressive change in UK politics [...]"

    It's most unlikely that the membership increase (which now puts them ahead of the UK LDs and a fair percentage of the UK Tories) should suddenly slow down at that moment. What is far more likely is that they are simply going by the latest official announcement without pre-empting the next major announcement by SNP HQ.
    More like desperation, even down to bigging up sub samples nowadays , when they fit the anti SNP profile of course.
  • malcolmg said:

    As J***s K***y notes, the much touted SCon revival on the back of Davidson's 'good' referendum appears entirely absent. It seems, as with Murphy, that despite winning the referendum, it has had very few knock-on benefits for Unionist pols.

    How pathetic can Murphy get, he now wants knighthoods for Billy McNeil and John Greig. You just could not make it up.
    UK honours have always gone down well with the Green Brigade.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    malcolmg said:

    Has the SNP membership rise run out of steam, anyone know?

    Last I saw it was over the 92K mark , up from around 25K before the referendum. We would surely have heard if it had reached 100K.
    So the SNP added 34,000 members a month in the two months after Indyref, and (possibly) have not added as many as 3,400 a month in the following 2 months......I think that could not unreasonably be interpreted as 'running out of steam'.......
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,342

    malcolmg said:

    Has the SNP membership rise run out of steam, anyone know?

    Last I saw it was over the 92K mark , up from around 25K before the referendum. We would surely have heard if it had reached 100K.
    So the SNP added 34,000 members a month in the two months after Indyref, and (possibly) have not added as many as 3,400 a month in the following 2 months......I think that could not unreasonably be interpreted as 'running out of steam'.......
    Even if you are right, and you may be, then adding about 7K members in the last 2 months isn't bad when SLAB have altogether about that number, or not much more (depending on the source: it's hard to be sure when SLAB have so carefully concealed it).
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    As J***s K***y notes, the much touted SCon revival on the back of Davidson's 'good' referendum appears entirely absent. It seems, as with Murphy, that despite winning the referendum, it has had very few knock-on benefits for Unionist pols.

    How pathetic can Murphy get, he now wants knighthoods for Billy McNeil and John Greig. You just could not make it up.
    UK honours have always gone down well with the Green Brigade.
    You have to wonder if being at the trough in London for so long has addled his brain. He seems to think Scotland is as it was 20 years ago.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,590
    malcolmg said:

    Has the SNP membership rise run out of steam, anyone know?

    Looks like it:

    22nd November:

    Delivering the keynote speech at the SSE Hydro event in Glasgow this afternoon (Saturday), Scottish National Party Leader and First Minister Nicola Sturgeon announced that SNP membership has now reached 92,187

    http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/nov/snp-membership-now-exceeds-extraordinary-90000

    Two days ago:

    Christina McKelvie, Bill Kidd and Christian Allard are relauching SNP CND at a one-day conference in Glasgow today with a call to their 93,000 fellow members to oppose nuclear weapons in Scotland.

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/new-snp-members-urged-to-join-cnd-1.791999
    You can become a member of the SNP for an initial payment of £1

    Yes it is £1 a month if you cannot afford the fees, Labour on the other hand will accept £1 for as year and still cannot get takers. Under 10K supporters and scared to publish it.
    Didn't Falkirk show that you don't need to pay anything to be a Labour Member. Some unions are happy to pay your fees....
  • JPJ2JPJ2 Posts: 380
    Mike Smithson:

    "The betting markets moved sharply to the Tories last week and this has largely been sustained"

    All it needs for the near annihilation of SLAB is for Scots to become convinced that the Tories will win in May.

    If that happens, all their hopes will be invested in the SNP, including the hopes of a chunk of "No" voters.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited January 2015
    It was I suspect a serious factor behind Jim Murphy's decision to run for the Scottish Leadership, again, I wouldn't write off either Jim Murphy or Ruth Davidson just yet due to these January polls. Both these politicians had an excellent Indy Referendum campaign, and once the GE campaign kicks in they are going to again have a far more high profile in the Scottish news cycles than they both currently enjoy.

    As a side note. I have been warning of the difficulties that the Scottish NHS was facing for the last few years on PB, it is under serious pressure right now. Lets just remember who the former Minister for the Scottish NHS was when it really started to go wrong, step forward Nicola Sturgeon. She also left that post to take charge of the SNP Indy Referendum campaign at Holyrood. We are also now currently at the point later this year whereby the first pupils who have been educated under the new SNP curriculum reforms are going to be applying for University places.
    JamesMo said:

    DavidL said:

    In May I expect the SNP to lead the slaughter of the Lib Dems and to take a number of Labour seats despite the level of swing required. Despite Mr Murphy's efforts SLAB have moved from Brown and a truly exceptional Scottish performance in 2010 to Miliband, the first Labour leader to be less popular than a tory up here in my lifetime.

    The difference in popularity between Brown and Miliband is an under-rated factor in the decline of Scottish Labour / rise of the SNP since 2010. Brown is the one Labour figure who still gets decent approval ratings in Scotland, while Miliband's ratings in Scotland are truly dreadful. They are consistently worse than Cameron, despite the Tories still rating 10+ points behind Labour in Scotland. There was even one poll that had him worse than Clegg!
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    You are obviously not old enough to remember the popularity of both Billy McNeil and John Greig.... Go on, admit it through gnashing of teeth, this is extremely smart politics from Jim Murphy?

    malcolmg said:

    As J***s K***y notes, the much touted SCon revival on the back of Davidson's 'good' referendum appears entirely absent. It seems, as with Murphy, that despite winning the referendum, it has had very few knock-on benefits for Unionist pols.

    How pathetic can Murphy get, he now wants knighthoods for Billy McNeil and John Greig. You just could not make it up.
    UK honours have always gone down well with the Green Brigade.
  • JPJ2JPJ2 Posts: 380
    fitalass:

    "As a side note. I have been warning of the difficulties that the Scottish NHS was facing for the last few years on PB, it is under serious pressure right now"

    While this is true, as it is everywhere in the UK, a recent poll showed the SNP are the most trusted party on the NHS in Scotland.

    In spite of all the efforts of BBC Scotland, there is no plurality believing that SLAB or the Tories would do as well, never mind better.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    SeanT said:

    Something clever, sobering and salutary for a sultry and lazy Monday afternoon (in Bangkok):


    If you earn "just" £20k a year, you're in the world's top 2% by income. Try it: http://www.globalrichlist.com/

    Fucking hell, I'm in the top 0.5% - doesn't feel that way.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    I am hoping that the SNP surge in the polls continues for another month or two and starts to feed into the narrative of another Hung Parliament, especially with them now possible being seen as Labour Coalition partners. I suspect that this possibility would do those Conservatives down South in marginal seats no harm at all.
    SeanT said:

    Too many folks thinking the price of oil crashing has destroyed the SNP's credibilty and will cause them real hurt.

    The contrary view is that the price of oil crashing means Scotland needs the best deal it can from Westminster under the Pledge. When you have Labour and LibDem and Tory signatures on that Pledge, who does Scotland turn to when it comes to holding those three parties' feet to the fire? Step forward the SNP....

    I still expect the SNP to do remarkably well in May.

    Yes. Before the indyref I predicted a post-NO surge for the Nats, and I think it will last until GE 2015 (though diminish). Labour are in serious trouble in Scotland.

    However the oil price crash will cause major problems for the Nats in Holyrood in 2016 (especially if oil stays at budget prices, which is likely). This is because the blatant Nat fibs about oil and the Scottish economy will have been rudely exposed, and, also, people will be electing a new Scottish government to spend Scottish income taxes raised by that same Scota government.

    Would you trust Nicola "oil will cost $120 a barrel forever" Sturgeon to set and spend your income tax?

    As things stand - it's a while away - the Nats will lose their overall Holyrood majority in 2016.
  • fitalass said:

    You are obviously not old enough to remember the popularity of both Billy McNeil and John Greig.... Go on, admit it through gnashing of teeth, this is extremely smart politics from Jim Murphy?

    malcolmg said:

    As J***s K***y notes, the much touted SCon revival on the back of Davidson's 'good' referendum appears entirely absent. It seems, as with Murphy, that despite winning the referendum, it has had very few knock-on benefits for Unionist pols.

    How pathetic can Murphy get, he now wants knighthoods for Billy McNeil and John Greig. You just could not make it up.
    UK honours have always gone down well with the Green Brigade.
    There are people who give a toss about honours, and there are people who don't. I'm pretty sure Yes voting Celtic supporters are in the latter category.

    It's just another example of Murphy's slightly tin-eared hoordom: 'You like this, and this? Is this doing it for you baby?'
  • JamesMoJamesMo Posts: 35
    fitalass said:

    You are obviously not old enough to remember the popularity of both Billy McNeil and John Greig.... Go on, admit it through gnashing of teeth, this is extremely smart politics from Jim Murphy?

    Celtic and Rangers fans are bitter. Some of them would probably be more unhappy about the guy from the other side getting an honour than they would be happy about their guy getting one.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Patrick O'Flynn ‏@oflynnmep 42m42 minutes ago
    Muslim Council of Britain quite wrong to complain about letter asking Mosques to do more on anti-radicalisation. A failure of leadership.

    This is about Pickles letter sent last night to British Muslim leaders.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    I genuinely believe that anyone other than the SNP could do a better job of getting their priorities right when it comes to running the Scottish NHS right now. For start, I would get rid of the new shift hours that nursing staff now work. What the hell were people thinking when they thought this was a good idea, certainly not maintaining a good continuity of care for the patients that is for sure.
    JPJ2 said:

    fitalass:

    "As a side note. I have been warning of the difficulties that the Scottish NHS was facing for the last few years on PB, it is under serious pressure right now"

    While this is true, as it is everywhere in the UK, a recent poll showed the SNP are the most trusted party on the NHS in Scotland.

    In spite of all the efforts of BBC Scotland, there is no plurality believing that SLAB or the Tories would do as well, never mind better.

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Case for PB's finest legal minds to fight over?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-30876360
  • JamesMoJamesMo Posts: 35

    Good morning all and the Ashcroft single seats for Scotland really are now crucial. There is no great history of tactical voting in Scotland because basically we all hate one another so much that there is little common ground. It will be fascinating to see if Ashcroft shows that is changing.

    I disagree with this. Historically there has been some tactical voting in Scotland, mostly against the Tories. I think this has had at times the effect of inflating the Labour vote in urban seats, and SNP and Lib Dems in the rural areas. In the 2010 election, in the 10 or so seats the Tories had hopes in, the incumbent (from whichever of the three) would appeal to supporters of the other two (e.g. Pete Wishart in Perth, Michael Moore in the Borders) to stop the Tories.

    Of course the Lib Dems in particular are trying to transition this into anti-SNP tactical voting, but it's difficult to do this from scratch.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    "@Nigel_Farage: Action day in South Thanet yesterday. Street full, venue full, and more arriving! pic.twitter.com/cVjrQgzhhu" #UKIP

    — UKIP Tonbridge (@UKIPTonbridge) January 19, 2015
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited January 2015
    SeanT said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    Something clever, sobering and salutary for a sultry and lazy Monday afternoon (in Bangkok):


    If you earn "just" £20k a year, you're in the world's top 2% by income. Try it: http://www.globalrichlist.com/

    Fucking hell, I'm in the top 0.5% - doesn't feel that way.
    It's incredible, isn't t?

    I'm in the top 0.04%.

    PS I also imagine that almost everyone on here is in the top 1% - which requires an income of just £25,000 a year - lower than the UK average salary. We are literally the 1 percent.
    The UK mean salary is £26,000 is but the median salary is £19,000ish
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Good article in Saturday's FT on the decline of Rangers.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/cfbddcce-9c12-11e4-a6b6-00144feabdc0.html
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Alistair said:

    SeanT said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    Something clever, sobering and salutary for a sultry and lazy Monday afternoon (in Bangkok):


    If you earn "just" £20k a year, you're in the world's top 2% by income. Try it: http://www.globalrichlist.com/

    Fucking hell, I'm in the top 0.5% - doesn't feel that way.
    It's incredible, isn't t?

    I'm in the top 0.04%.

    PS I also imagine that almost everyone on here is in the top 1% - which requires an income of just £25,000 a year - lower than the UK average salary. We are literally the 1 percent.
    The UK mean salary is £26,000 thousand is but the median salary is £19,000ish
    Note that the calculator works on net income not gross income.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    fitalass said:

    You are obviously not old enough to remember the popularity of both Billy McNeil and John Greig.... Go on, admit it through gnashing of teeth, this is extremely smart politics from Jim Murphy?

    malcolmg said:

    As J***s K***y notes, the much touted SCon revival on the back of Davidson's 'good' referendum appears entirely absent. It seems, as with Murphy, that despite winning the referendum, it has had very few knock-on benefits for Unionist pols.

    How pathetic can Murphy get, he now wants knighthoods for Billy McNeil and John Greig. You just could not make it up.
    UK honours have always gone down well with the Green Brigade.
    Murphy's policy of pro-booze at games, pro-sectarian songs and now honours for players is the weakest of weak sauce. I will eat my hat (I will purchase a small edible hat first) if it has a net positive effect for SLab's vote share.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    dr_spyn said:

    Good article in Saturday's FT on the decline of Rangers.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/cfbddcce-9c12-11e4-a6b6-00144feabdc0.html

    Starts with a incorrect statement. The club was not forced to start again in the forth teir. The club was dissolved, a new club entered the 3rd Division. You can tell this because players contracts were TUPE'd and both the old Rangers and new Rangers existed at the same time - which allowed the situation of old Rangers voting to allow new Rangers entry to the Premier League.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    SeanT said:

    Alistair said:

    SeanT said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    Something clever, sobering and salutary for a sultry and lazy Monday afternoon (in Bangkok):


    If you earn "just" £20k a year, you're in the world's top 2% by income. Try it: http://www.globalrichlist.com/

    Fucking hell, I'm in the top 0.5% - doesn't feel that way.
    It's incredible, isn't t?

    I'm in the top 0.04%.

    PS I also imagine that almost everyone on here is in the top 1% - which requires an income of just £25,000 a year - lower than the UK average salary. We are literally the 1 percent.
    The UK mean salary is £26,000 thousand is but the median salary is £19,000ish
    Even the median UK salary puts you in the top 2%, globally.

    Quite remarkable and rather humbling.
    Incredibly humbling - it makes me grateful for having the good fortune to have been born where I was.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited January 2015
    Nope, you are obviously not ready to admit that this smart politics by Jim Murphy when it comes to targeting the Scots voters he is trying to persuade to vote for Labour at the next GE. I doubt that dyed in the wool Yes voting Celtic fans are at the top of that list. He is at least attempting to bring together and unite Scots with this campaign, whereas the SNP seem determined to maintain the politics of division...

    fitalass said:

    You are obviously not old enough to remember the popularity of both Billy McNeil and John Greig.... Go on, admit it through gnashing of teeth, this is extremely smart politics from Jim Murphy?

    malcolmg said:

    As J***s K***y notes, the much touted SCon revival on the back of Davidson's 'good' referendum appears entirely absent. It seems, as with Murphy, that despite winning the referendum, it has had very few knock-on benefits for Unionist pols.

    How pathetic can Murphy get, he now wants knighthoods for Billy McNeil and John Greig. You just could not make it up.
    UK honours have always gone down well with the Green Brigade.
    There are people who give a toss about honours, and there are people who don't. I'm pretty sure Yes voting Celtic supporters are in the latter category.

    It's just another example of Murphy's slightly tin-eared hoordom: 'You like this, and this? Is this doing it for you baby?'


  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    dr_spyn said:

    Case for PB's finest legal minds to fight over?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-30876360

    Interesting issues around offer and acceptance under contract law.... Is a party invite merely an invitation to treat? Is there any expectation that a contract will arise? Who accepted - if the child, did he have necessary capacity to enter into the contract.

    A big day in small claims.....
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited January 2015
    MikeK said:

    "@Nigel_Farage: Action day in South Thanet yesterday. Street full, venue full, and more arriving! pic.twitter.com/cVjrQgzhhu" #UKIP

    — UKIP Tonbridge (@UKIPTonbridge) January 19, 2015

    Did the day go better than the UKIP Croydon Carnival?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,152
    edited January 2015
    A more in-depth analysis of Murphy's morphing.

    'Identity crisis

    ..The problem for Murphy was that during the referendum he was more rabid about the Union than the most rabid of ultra Unionists. And now when he conveniently wants to distance himself from them – as he reinvents himself as more Scottish than the next Scottish Nationalist – our memories are just too long and the distance travelled just too short to forget.



    To paraphrase Eminem, would the real Jim Murphy please stand up, please stand up…'

    http://tinyurl.com/kvz82ym
  • So the beleagured SLAB/6th Army are fighting their battle of Stalingrad surrounded by the communists and facing a wipeout. As yet no sign of substantial resources being diverted from elsewhere. At least SLAB/6th Army are authorised to break out and fight whilst they still have the ammunition. However another strategic error is being repeated by EdM with his tactics that could be summarised as "You are on your own".
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300

    dr_spyn said:

    Case for PB's finest legal minds to fight over?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-30876360

    Interesting issues around offer and acceptance under contract law.... Is a party invite merely an invitation to treat? Is there any expectation that a contract will arise? Who accepted - if the child, did he have necessary capacity to enter into the contract.

    A big day in small claims.....
    Extreme way to present case for a change of primary school. End of day pick will be 'interesting'.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/5-year-old-boy-given-invoice-parents-5002302

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    fitalass said:

    Nope, you are obviously not ready to admit that this smart politics by Jim Murphy when it comes to targeting the Scots voters he is trying to persuade to vote for Labour at the next GE. I doubt that dyed in the wool Yes voting Celtic fans are at the top of that list. He is at least attempting to bring together and unite Scots with this campaign, whereas the SNP seem determined to maintain the politics of division...

    fitalass said:

    You are obviously not old enough to remember the popularity of both Billy McNeil and John Greig.... Go on, admit it through gnashing of teeth, this is extremely smart politics from Jim Murphy?

    malcolmg said:

    As J***s K***y notes, the much touted SCon revival on the back of Davidson's 'good' referendum appears entirely absent. It seems, as with Murphy, that despite winning the referendum, it has had very few knock-on benefits for Unionist pols.

    How pathetic can Murphy get, he now wants knighthoods for Billy McNeil and John Greig. You just could not make it up.
    UK honours have always gone down well with the Green Brigade.
    There are people who give a toss about honours, and there are people who don't. I'm pretty sure Yes voting Celtic supporters are in the latter category.

    It's just another example of Murphy's slightly tin-eared hoordom: 'You like this, and this? Is this doing it for you baby?'


    Jim Murphy understands who he needs to get back to Labour and has some understanding of what motivates them. I'm far from convinced that he has time to achieve the job for May to salvage much from the wreckage, or that the people he needs to get back are ready to listen to him.
  • fitalass said:

    Nope, you are obviously not ready to admit that this smart politics by Jim Murphy when it comes to targeting the Scots voters he is trying to persuade to vote for Labour at the next GE. I doubt that dyed in the wool Yes voting Celtic fans are at the top of that list. He is at least attempting to bring together and unite Scots with this campaign, whereas the SNP seem determined to maintain the politics of division...

    fitalass said:

    You are obviously not old enough to remember the popularity of both Billy McNeil and John Greig.... Go on, admit it through gnashing of teeth, this is extremely smart politics from Jim Murphy?

    malcolmg said:

    As J***s K***y notes, the much touted SCon revival on the back of Davidson's 'good' referendum appears entirely absent. It seems, as with Murphy, that despite winning the referendum, it has had very few knock-on benefits for Unionist pols.

    How pathetic can Murphy get, he now wants knighthoods for Billy McNeil and John Greig. You just could not make it up.
    UK honours have always gone down well with the Green Brigade.
    There are people who give a toss about honours, and there are people who don't. I'm pretty sure Yes voting Celtic supporters are in the latter category.

    It's just another example of Murphy's slightly tin-eared hoordom: 'You like this, and this? Is this doing it for you baby?'
    I've lived in Glasgow for over 20 years (and am in fact old enough to have seen McNeill play at Pittodrie when I was a kid) so I think I have an idea of what is smart politics in Glasgow.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Good morning, everyone.

    Still rosy for the SNP.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited January 2015
    Interesting given the amount of discussion over UKIPs selection troubles in South Basildon & East Thurrock that when they do finally select a candidate, and OGH thinks it is such a good choice that he makes UKIP a bet at 10/3, there is barely a mention of it on here..

    would have thought it was better a topic for a thread than some boring over analysis of a poll, soon to be contradicted by another poll which will be over analysed
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Once in a blue moon, twitter throws up a gem:

    Matt Chorley ‏@MattChorley · 28m28 minutes ago
    It's now Monday but still can't stop looking at this picture of LibDems. So many things...

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7pVsdGIIAEhkzH.png
  • SeanT said:


    We really don't need four long paragraphs of this turgid, irrelevant piffle

    Is that the royal 'we', or are you now a moderator?

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited January 2015
    MikeK said:

    "@Nigel_Farage: Action day in South Thanet yesterday. Street full, venue full, and more arriving! pic.twitter.com/cVjrQgzhhu" #UKIP

    — UKIP Tonbridge (@UKIPTonbridge) January 19, 2015

    Interesting photograph of Farage there - it's clearly been framed to show the turnout to it's best advantage, but there can't be more than 150 people in it. That's hardly a street rammed to bursting with supporters.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Mr. England, I fail to see why Burnham's rated so highly. He always appears on the verge of tears.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    MikeK said:

    "@Nigel_Farage: Action day in South Thanet yesterday. Street full, venue full, and more arriving! pic.twitter.com/cVjrQgzhhu" #UKIP

    — UKIP Tonbridge (@UKIPTonbridge) January 19, 2015
    Interesting photograph of Farage there - it's clearly been framed to show the turnout to it's best advantage, but there can't be more than 100 people in it. Hardly a packed street.

    It's a neat study in demographics.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    SeanT said:

    Alistair said:

    SeanT said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    Something clever, sobering and salutary for a sultry and lazy Monday afternoon (in Bangkok):


    If you earn "just" £20k a year, you're in the world's top 2% by income. Try it: http://www.globalrichlist.com/

    Fucking hell, I'm in the top 0.5% - doesn't feel that way.
    It's incredible, isn't t?

    I'm in the top 0.04%.

    PS I also imagine that almost everyone on here is in the top 1% - which requires an income of just £25,000 a year - lower than the UK average salary. We are literally the 1 percent.
    The UK mean salary is £26,000 thousand is but the median salary is £19,000ish
    Even the median UK salary puts you in the top 2%, globally.

    Quite remarkable and rather humbling.
    On another note a salary of £51,000 puts you in the top 10% in the UK.

    I bet a lot of people on £51K don't think of themselves as rich.
  • Mr. England, I fail to see why Burnham's rated so highly. He always appears on the verge of tears.

    Me neither, I think he is a dreadful individual.
  • Morning all.

    Things have come to a pretty pass when a 20-point SNP lead, 4 months before the GE, is seen as encouraging news for Labour.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Alistair said:

    SeanT said:

    Alistair said:

    SeanT said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    Something clever, sobering and salutary for a sultry and lazy Monday afternoon (in Bangkok):


    If you earn "just" £20k a year, you're in the world's top 2% by income. Try it: http://www.globalrichlist.com/

    Fucking hell, I'm in the top 0.5% - doesn't feel that way.
    It's incredible, isn't t?

    I'm in the top 0.04%.

    PS I also imagine that almost everyone on here is in the top 1% - which requires an income of just £25,000 a year - lower than the UK average salary. We are literally the 1 percent.
    The UK mean salary is £26,000 thousand is but the median salary is £19,000ish
    Even the median UK salary puts you in the top 2%, globally.

    Quite remarkable and rather humbling.
    On another note a salary of £51,000 puts you in the top 10% in the UK.

    I bet a lot of people on £51K don't think of themselves as rich.
    Labour have said that they wouldn't increase the tax burden on those on £60,000 a year (and that they aren't rich):

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10324739/People-on-60000-arent-rich-says-Labours-Rachel-Reeves.html
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Alistair said:

    SeanT said:

    Alistair said:

    SeanT said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    Something clever, sobering and salutary for a sultry and lazy Monday afternoon (in Bangkok):


    If you earn "just" £20k a year, you're in the world's top 2% by income. Try it: http://www.globalrichlist.com/

    Fucking hell, I'm in the top 0.5% - doesn't feel that way.
    It's incredible, isn't t?

    I'm in the top 0.04%.

    PS I also imagine that almost everyone on here is in the top 1% - which requires an income of just £25,000 a year - lower than the UK average salary. We are literally the 1 percent.
    The UK mean salary is £26,000 thousand is but the median salary is £19,000ish
    Even the median UK salary puts you in the top 2%, globally.

    Quite remarkable and rather humbling.
    On another note a salary of £51,000 puts you in the top 10% in the UK.

    I bet a lot of people on £51K don't think of themselves as rich.
    Depends where you're earning it.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    Morning all.

    Things have come to a pretty pass when a 20-point SNP lead, 4 months before the GE, is seen as encouraging news for Labour.

    Well the movement is in the right direction and is supported by another poll.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    And on topic, I put an up-to-date table of the Scottish constituencies up the other night, organised by the odds on the SNP taking each seat:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bygi8eZw-4q1Q1JhT0dtUEVRckk/view?usp=sharing

    William Hill have now put up prices for quite a lot of Scottish constituencies.

    I've put up quite enough posts on Scotland recently and don't intend putting up another in the near future, but I thought others might find this useful.

    I think that there are still some bargains here. The SNP are second favourites in the bulk of these seats, in stark contrast to what you would expect from their poll ratings.

    You'd have to expect things to change pretty rapidly for there not to be seats worth betting on here.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Cahrt in this article is awesome

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/-sp-thousands-britons-claim-benefits-eu

    There are 2 Britons claiming unemployment benefit in Poland. One in Slovenia. And None in Lithuania or Romania
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Not a moderator or anything but a couple of points of etiquette:

    1) SeanT is right, it's better not to post whole articles. Normal articles should have a paragraph (or less) and a link. Articles hidden behind paywalls should sulkily ignored to avoid giving the miserable bastards any traffic.

    2) In keeping with our internet traditions the appropriate spelling is Sc0ttish Subs@mple.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    Has the SNP membership rise run out of steam, anyone know?

    Last I saw it was over the 92K mark , up from around 25K before the referendum. We would surely have heard if it had reached 100K.
    So the SNP added 34,000 members a month in the two months after Indyref, and (possibly) have not added as many as 3,400 a month in the following 2 months......I think that could not unreasonably be interpreted as 'running out of steam'.......
    Only in the derogatory mind of a Tory. I would say that it was an amazing increase in membership which has now levelled off as far as we are aware. I do not believe it was ever stated that they joined as you suggest in even blocks. There was an upsurge in numbers which any sensible person would realise cannot go on ad infinitum. I know it sticks in your craw but you need to learn to suck it up. Increasing your membership almost fourfold is quite an achievement and very far from your pathetic whinging "running out of steam"
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Carlotta, or Carlottas since she/he/they tweet with no sleep at all, is/are amazing. Tweets at midnight, 4 am and 7am come thick and fast!

    However when I pointed out that my work had led me into a study the major hospital A&E figures for Christmas and New Year and they were not on target in Scotland but had indeed been published and were around 10 per cent better than the English equivalent (and 15 per cent better than Wales) I got no answer just an attack on Kevin McKenna's very good article in The Observer pointing out why Tory/Labour hopes that oil would dent the SNP surge would be confounded. I suspect the Mr McKenna a traditional .

    For someone burning so much midnight oil this seems rather remiss!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    MikeK said:

    "@Nigel_Farage: Action day in South Thanet yesterday. Street full, venue full, and more arriving! pic.twitter.com/cVjrQgzhhu" #UKIP

    — UKIP Tonbridge (@UKIPTonbridge) January 19, 2015
    Interesting photograph of Farage there - it's clearly been framed to show the turnout to it's best advantage, but there can't be more than 150 people in it. That's hardly a street rammed to bursting with supporters.

    It was peak kipper on Saturday night, & I imagine many supporters had been out partying to celebrate the end of an era.. so probably a few latecomers to the event
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    fitalass said:

    You are obviously not old enough to remember the popularity of both Billy McNeil and John Greig.... Go on, admit it through gnashing of teeth, this is extremely smart politics from Jim Murphy?

    malcolmg said:

    As J***s K***y notes, the much touted SCon revival on the back of Davidson's 'good' referendum appears entirely absent. It seems, as with Murphy, that despite winning the referendum, it has had very few knock-on benefits for Unionist pols.

    How pathetic can Murphy get, he now wants knighthoods for Billy McNeil and John Greig. You just could not make it up.
    UK honours have always gone down well with the Green Brigade.
    It is pathetic pandering to sectarianism of the worst kind.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited January 2015

    Morning all.

    Things have come to a pretty pass when a 20-point SNP lead, 4 months before the GE, is seen as encouraging news for Labour.

    Well the movement is in the right direction and is supported by another poll.
    Possibly, but looking at the three most recent Survation polls, they show:

    SNP 46% 48% 46%
    Labour 24% 24% 26%

    There might be a smidgen of movement there, but if so it is tiny in comparison to the ground to be made up. And the figures are perfectly consistent with no movement at all.
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    I should have added Mr McKenna "a traditional Labour voter now supporting independence has his finger rather closer to the pulse in understanding these things than Carlotta."
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046

    I may be wrong as its early on a Monday but it must be a long time since there's been a 10 point margin difference in polls from different sources. What's caused this? Volatility? Some issue with the method?

    Survation weight their polls by Scottish Region. However, not all of the other pollsters seem to take this approach e.g. YouGov just weight by country of birth i.e. Scottish, rUK and Overseas. I think Survation's approach is the correct one, as voting patterns vary across Scotland.
  • You get the feeling this is a bit like the Ardennes offensive.

    Jim Murphy = Walter Model?
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