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Every Labour government ends up running out of money, though not all go to the trouble of leaving a note to their successor to say so. That they do so is not exactly a feature of left-of-centre politics but it’s not far off:
Labour will need to worry about a Green/UKIP pincer if they get elected and could have quite a gruesome mid-term, but the British situation is nothing like Greece, where a left-of-centre government had to enact Thatcherism at 8x speed along with huge spending cuts during a massive recession. Labour don't need to do much, and the voters aren't really expecting much.
FPT - Mail's leading article is on the Hitchingbrooke "stitch up":
What had suddenly gone so wrong that Circle could no longer make ends meet, and was placed in special measures by the Care Quality Commission following a blistering inspection report?
The answer, it would appear, is that Hinchingbrooke may have fallen prey to a ruthlessly orchestrated and deeply disturbing Left-wing campaign.......
Most incredibly, a paediatrician known to have briefed the inspectors while they were visiting Hinchingbrooke turns out to be the Labour Party’s local candidate in the forthcoming General Election!
We already knew of Ed Miliband’s disgraceful intention to ‘weaponise’ the NHS. If the treatment of Circle is anything to go by, the Tories – and anybody else who wishes to bring private sector innovation to the inefficient health service – better be ready for a very dirty fight indeed.
Haven't you heard of the magic money tree that results in no tax rises and more spending, while cutting the deficit? It seems a large percentage of people still believe in its existence.
FPT - Mail's leading article is on the Hitchingbrooke "stitch up":
What had suddenly gone so wrong that Circle could no longer make ends meet, and was placed in special measures by the Care Quality Commission following a blistering inspection report?
The answer, it would appear, is that Hinchingbrooke may have fallen prey to a ruthlessly orchestrated and deeply disturbing Left-wing campaign.......
Most incredibly, a paediatrician known to have briefed the inspectors while they were visiting Hinchingbrooke turns out to be the Labour Party’s local candidate in the forthcoming General Election!
We already knew of Ed Miliband’s disgraceful intention to ‘weaponise’ the NHS. If the treatment of Circle is anything to go by, the Tories – and anybody else who wishes to bring private sector innovation to the inefficient health service – better be ready for a very dirty fight indeed.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind. Still, when the Tories get into government, ... oh, hold on, they did; it is not even as if the SoS for Health is one of those lily-livered LibDems. And for the record, the NHS is very efficient and if you are looking for private sector innovation, you'd do better looking at the creation of new drugs, or the invention of new medical devices which will increasingly be hooked up to computers in the so-called internet of things.
Haven't you heard of the magic money tree that results in no tax rises and more spending, while cutting the deficit? It seems a large percentage of people still believe in its existence.
The question-begging OP to one side, there is a bigger reason Labour will have trouble winning and that is simply they are out of practice. Remember Hillary Clinton's primary campaign, or Gordon Brown as Prime Minister. Making speeches and answering questions is a learned skill, like playing the piano, and if you've spent the last four years saying nothing about policy then almost by definition, you won't have four years' experience in defending your position, and you won't have dropped or at least tweaked the parts that don't play well with the man on the Clapham omnibus, and you'll have 300-odd candidates trying to improvise around what they can remember of the manifesto, that morning's press briefing and whatever Andy Burnham said on Today.
OT The Times leads on the Prime Minister telling firms to "pass windfall profits to workers" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-30859937 which would doubtless be fisked (do people still say that?) if Ed Miliband made the same call, but more importantly, Giles Coren has eaten the best steak ever. Perhaps Times readers can report back on whether Coren agrees with SeanT of this parish that the world's best steak is from Dinner by Heston.
Haven't you heard of the magic money tree that results in no tax rises and more spending, while cutting the deficit? It seems a large percentage of people still believe in its existence.
Wouldn't economic growth do that?
It would certainly help, but the government has relatively few knobs to turns there, and most of those would be extremely unpopular with a left wing government's supporters, vis, reducing the tax burden, providing incentives to invest in new technology, cutting red tape, increasing workforce flexibility etc., most of which would be portrayed by the left of the party as de facto giving money to fat cats, or victimising poor downtrodden workers.
Haven't you heard of the magic money tree that results in no tax rises and more spending, while cutting the deficit? It seems a large percentage of people still believe in its existence.
Wouldn't economic growth do that?
It would certainly help, but the government has relatively few knobs to turns there, and most of those would be extremely unpopular with a left wing government's supporters, vis, reducing the tax burden, providing incentives to invest in new technology, cutting red tape, increasing workforce flexibility etc., most of which would be portrayed by the left of the party as de facto giving money to fat cats, or victimising poor downtrodden workers.
Or investment. But back to the theme of Labour's wasted Opposition years, it should have been making the case that Osborne's early austerity choked off growth.
Haven't you heard of the magic money tree that results in no tax rises and more spending, while cutting the deficit? It seems a large percentage of people still believe in its existence.
Wouldn't economic growth do that?
It would certainly help, but the government has relatively few knobs to turns there, and most of those would be extremely unpopular with a left wing government's supporters, vis, reducing the tax burden, providing incentives to invest in new technology, cutting red tape, increasing workforce flexibility etc., most of which would be portrayed by the left of the party as de facto giving money to fat cats, or victimising poor downtrodden workers.
Or investment. But back to the theme of Labour's wasted Opposition years, it should have been making the case that Osborne's early austerity choked off growth.
Investment in infrastructure maybe, but that is colossally expensive and we dont have any money, the government would be in effect borrow tens or even hundreds of billions of pounds to pay people to build roads and railways in the hope that a number of years down the road there is a return on that investment and production (and hence tax income) increases, which to some extent depends on your skill of deciding which bits of infrastructure to upgrade.
Upgrading our internet infrastructure would be a more rapid and more certain payoff, except that most of it belong to private companies that the country could not afford to nationalise even if it wanted to. Its worth noting that Dave (and probably Ed's) idiotic encryption ban plans would do more damage to our IT infrastructure in one law than almost any amount of infrastructure upgrade.
If you mean investing in businesses, as I might have mentioned, we don't have any money, so it would be borrowing money to invest in companies, back to the worst excesses of Old Labour, its about the government feeling itself capable of predicting which businesses will succeed and which will fail, something governments of all colours have a pretty piss-poor record on. If (as is likely) the business doesn't succeed it would be just another loss to record against the public exchequer, I can see the lenders tiring of that game quite fast and the interest rates the UK having to pay rapidly heading upwards, which giving the amount of money we are currently paying interest on, wouldn't be good.
Underlying all this, and in my view far more important is our horrific productivity compared even to our European partners, never mind our global competitors.
Or investment. But back to the theme of Labour's wasted Opposition years, it should have been making the case that Osborne's early austerity choked off growth.
We are fed up of every news bulletin for the past few years being dominated by the cycle of this story, of feelings no sooner placated than hurt again. We despise the cowardly political class which for years has tiptoed around “cultural sensitivities” while thousands of girls have been raped, trafficked and disappeared into forced marriages by bigots and misogynists from the subcontinent. We despair when Ofsted discovers another six private Islamic schools (in east London this time) where the sexes are segregated, children are taught only about sharia law and “not prepared for life in modern Britain”. When we learn that we are the female genital mutilation capital of Europe, and that there are actual tour groups arranged to this country so little girls can have their clitorises sliced off, we think: “Did all those millions of brave men and women really fight and win a World War for this?” When we see an American woman judge finally jail the Finsbury Park radical cleric Abu “Captain Hook” Hamza and throw away the key, we say hoorah! Thank God for ballsy New York judges prepared to get that menace off the streets instead of providing that footsoldier of Islamism with a personal chiropodist as the feeble British system did. (At least he didn’t need a manicurist, I suppose.)
Probably not until things are substantially worse.
Or investment. But back to the theme of Labour's wasted Opposition years, it should have been making the case that Osborne's early austerity choked off growth.
The UK remains on track to be the fastest growing G7 economy this year despite new figures showing that GDP growth slowed in the third quarter.
Compared to inheritance from Labour; compared to the United States. Of course, German-imposed austerity in the Eurozone killed growth there, and also dished George Osborne's hopes of European exports pulling us clear.
Or investment. But back to the theme of Labour's wasted Opposition years, it should have been making the case that Osborne's early austerity choked off growth.
What happens if Syriza are, somehow, seen to be doing quite well in government when 7th May rolls around? Not saying this will happen but perhaps they'll still be in their honeymoon period, or they'll manage to screw better terms out of Germany or maybe they'll just get lucky. Would that help Ed? Probably not as Balls will still want to appear responsible.
The strange fearful world of the UKIP voter, from seeing cyclists go through red lights, to sharing views on Jews similar (in all likelihood) to Muslims, UKIP voters views and experiences in some areas are distinctly different from voters for the 3 main parties:
Confidence in UK govt to keep people safe from terrorist attack: (net): Con: +70 Lab: +14 LibD: +53 UKIP: -23
Getting a GP appointment - when you wanted to (net): Con: +28 Lab: +12 LibD: +19 UKIP: -13
What happens if Syriza are, somehow, seen to be doing quite well in government when 7th May rolls around? Not saying this will happen but perhaps they'll still be in their honeymoon period, or they'll manage to screw better terms out of Germany or maybe they'll just get lucky. Would that help Ed? Probably not as Balls will still want to appear responsible.
Think that depends why they are doing well.
It might also be because they tell Germany to get stuffed, bring back the Drachma, and as it devalues by 30% or so the Greek economy starts to take off again... The Commission's worst nightmare would be Greece doing well outside the Euro, lots of countries looking to follow suit if it does.
I am sure RCS1000 is right, it will get fudged, their debt will get extended. I would expect after some initial euphoria people start to notice that not much has changed, the Greek economy will continue to bounce along the bottom and Syriza will get thrown out soon for not doing what they said they will do.
Or investment. But back to the theme of Labour's wasted Opposition years, it should have been making the case that Osborne's early austerity choked off growth.
FPT - Mail's leading article is on the Hitchingbrooke "stitch up":
What had suddenly gone so wrong that Circle could no longer make ends meet, and was placed in special measures by the Care Quality Commission following a blistering inspection report?
The answer, it would appear, is that Hinchingbrooke may have fallen prey to a ruthlessly orchestrated and deeply disturbing Left-wing campaign.......
Most incredibly, a paediatrician known to have briefed the inspectors while they were visiting Hinchingbrooke turns out to be the Labour Party’s local candidate in the forthcoming General Election!
We already knew of Ed Miliband’s disgraceful intention to ‘weaponise’ the NHS. If the treatment of Circle is anything to go by, the Tories – and anybody else who wishes to bring private sector innovation to the inefficient health service – better be ready for a very dirty fight indeed.
But this excerpt gives a flavour "Do not attempt cardio-pulmonary resuscitation' (DNA CPR) forms were completed, but a high percentage had not been appropriately signed by a consultant. In many instances, we found that DNA CPR decisions had not been discussed with the patient or their representatives. Assessments had not been completed when the reason given for not discussing decisions with patients was recorded as the patient lacking capacity. Documentation was found to be poor throughout the service. Ward staff training in end of life care was lacking, and no one we spoke to on the wards had advanced communication training, however the palliative care team did have this training."
Sounds pretty serious to me and not a matter that can be spun either way. DNR-CPR orders are a fundamental part of consent and record keeping.
I was involved to a degree in last years CQC visit to my own NHS Trust. We were briefed by our management on what to expect, but the management specifically instructed us to be honest and open and to show the inspectors everything of interest. I thought this showed a lot of integrity by our management team.
Or investment. But back to the theme of Labour's wasted Opposition years, it should have been making the case that Osborne's early austerity choked off growth.
But this excerpt gives a flavour "Do not attempt cardio-pulmonary resuscitation' (DNA CPR) forms were completed, but a high percentage had not been appropriately signed by a consultant. In many instances, we found that DNA CPR decisions had not been discussed with the patient or their representatives. Assessments had not been completed when the reason given for not discussing decisions with patients was recorded as the patient lacking capacity. Documentation was found to be poor throughout the service. Ward staff training in end of life care was lacking, and no one we spoke to on the wards had advanced communication training, however the palliative care team did have this training."
Sounds pretty serious to me and not a matter that can be spun either way. DNR-CPR orders are a fundamental part of consent and record keeping.
I was involved to a degree in last years CQC visit to my own NHS Trust. We were briefed by our management on what to expect, but the management specifically instructed us to be honest and open and to show the inspectors everything of interest. I thought this showed a lot of integrity by our management team.
So let me see, the Labour PPC, several Labour activists, people with records of actively campaigning against NHS privatisation, involved in the report. The lead of the inspection team previously having made press releases campaigning against privatisation in his capacity at the BMA. The CCG chairperson formerly on the national executive of the TUC and candidate for a Labour seat on the council. the CCG Director of Affairs a long standing Labour activist..... and Labour coincidentally making it an "NHS or bust" campaign for the GE... no, nothing stinks there, no siree.
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
Money is obviously going to be tight, but there is potential to follow an agenda that brings down the cost of the welfare state without cuts. Housing would be a good example with liberalising of planning laws giving builders permission to build on greenfield and green belt sites, with social housing schools and surgeries built under section 106 provision. This would cost the taxpayer very little, but would bring down the housing benefit bill significantly by cutting the cost of housing.
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
Money is obviously going to be tight, but there is potential to follow an agenda that brings down the cost of the welfare state without cuts. Housing would be a good example with liberalising of planning laws giving builders permission to build on greenfield and green belt sites, with social housing schools and surgeries built under section 106 provision. This would cost the taxpayer very little, but would bring down the housing benefit bill significantly by cutting the cost of housing.
But what about all those people who want to continue to living in expensive housing in the centre of town on the taxpayer's dime.
But this excerpt gives a flavour "Do not attempt cardio-pulmonary resuscitation' (DNA CPR) forms were completed, but a high percentage had not been appropriately signed by a consultant. In many instances, we found that DNA CPR decisions had not been discussed with the patient or their representatives. Assessments had not been completed when the reason given for not discussing decisions with patients was recorded as the patient lacking capacity. Documentation was found to be poor throughout the service. Ward staff training in end of life care was lacking, and no one we spoke to on the wards had advanced communication training, however the palliative care team did have this training."
Sounds pretty serious to me and not a matter that can be spun either way. DNR-CPR orders are a fundamental part of consent and record keeping.
I was involved to a degree in last years CQC visit to my own NHS Trust. We were briefed by our management on what to expect, but the management specifically instructed us to be honest and open and to show the inspectors everything of interest. I thought this showed a lot of integrity by our management team.
So let me see, the Labour PPC, several Labour activists, people with records of actively campaigning against NHS privatisation, involved in the report. The lead of the inspection team previously having made press releases campaigning against privatisation in his capacity at the BMA. The CCG chairperson formerly on the national executive of the TUC and candidate for a Labour seat on the council. the CCG Director of Affairs a long standing Labour activist..... and Labour coincidentally making it an "NHS or bust" campaign for the GE... no, nothing stinks there, no siree.
Read the report. It is not slanted.
In the quote I gave patients were being listed as "Do not resuscitate" without it being discussed with them or documented by their doctors. That is not something that is slanted but rather a simple matter of fact proven by lack of record keeping.
If you read the report on Childrens A/E, the criticism was of lack of paediatric trained nurse cover, lack of separate cubicles etc. There was also a much higher rate of patients giving up and going elsewhere rather than waiting. Are you suggesting this was just spin by the Labour PPC? If it were then it would have been easy for Circle to dispute. Instead they cut and run.
The smear is not by the inspection team, it is by the Daily Mail.
The interesting bit for Labour is deciding what to tax that doesn't cause the economy to tank. So far their efforts have revolved around managing to generate a lot of publicity out of raising not very much money, the Banker Bashing Tax might well end up costing more than it makes if it causes any finance houses to move offshore, and has been spent 4-5 times already, the Mansion Tax is either a lie, or is going raise nothing to speak of and has been spent several times already, the Gun License tax will make so little its hardly worth the effort, and has already been spent at least once. So far, no nett income for the country to offset against making smaller cuts.
The 50% tax is good politics, but will make little or nothing, and if it looks like it will be around for a while might even cause a nett loss as people adjust their financial planning or relocate abroad.
The real point is these are all footling amounts, if Labour wants to not have to do so much austerity it needs to find tens of billions of pounds of tax rises, and do it without causing the sort of unintended consequences that tank the economy or drive business overseas. If they try it and screw it up, their economic model is toast.
Or investment. But back to the theme of Labour's wasted Opposition years, it should have been making the case that Osborne's early austerity choked off growth.
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
Money is obviously going to be tight, but there is potential to follow an agenda that brings down the cost of the welfare state without cuts. Housing would be a good example with liberalising of planning laws giving builders permission to build on greenfield and green belt sites, with social housing schools and surgeries built under section 106 provision. This would cost the taxpayer very little, but would bring down the housing benefit bill significantly by cutting the cost of housing.
But what about all those people who want to continue to living in expensive housing in the centre of town on the taxpayer's dime.
Surely you are advocating social cleansing...
Or is that only when Tories propose it?
Supply and demand. If you build enough houses on the greenbelt then the cost of housing would drop everywhere. Many would voluntarily move out, as they did to the new towns of the 50s and 60s. Those living in the city centre would benefit, as prices would fall in the city too.
My point was not particularly advocate it as a policy, but to point out that the Government has many levers other than spending.
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
Money is obviously going to be tight, but there is potential to follow an agenda that brings down the cost of the welfare state without cuts. Housing would be a good example with liberalising of planning laws giving builders permission to build on greenfield and green belt sites, with social housing schools and surgeries built under section 106 provision. This would cost the taxpayer very little, but would bring down the housing benefit bill significantly by cutting the cost of housing.
Money will be tight and Labour has done next to no thinking on this. It's almost as if they don't expect to be in government. That said, much of the party's vote is primarily anti-Tory. I think David forgets/ignores this. If Labour wins in May - or, more realistically, gets the most MPs - it will not be on the back of voters believing austerity will end and the spending tsps will be turned on; instead, it will be because the country does not want the Tories in power. What we might find is that a few relatively low cost, but very visible moves - such as scrapping the Bedroom tax - will give Balls space to keep overall spending on a relatively tight leash.
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
Money is obviously going to be tight, but there is potential to follow an agenda that brings down the cost of the welfare state without cuts. Housing would be a good example with liberalising of planning laws giving builders permission to build on greenfield and green belt sites, with social housing schools and surgeries built under section 106 provision. This would cost the taxpayer very little, but would bring down the housing benefit bill significantly by cutting the cost of housing.
But what about all those people who want to continue to living in expensive housing in the centre of town on the taxpayer's dime.
Surely you are advocating social cleansing...
Or is that only when Tories propose it?
Supply and demand. If you build enough houses on the greenbelt then the cost of housing would drop everywhere. Many would voluntarily move out, as they did to the new towns of the 50s and 60s. Those living in the city centre would benefit, as prices would fall in the city too.
My point was not particularly advocate it as a policy, but to point out that the Government has many levers other than spending.
I actually agree with the policy.
But I think you are naive if you think people who are not paying for their housing will move without compulsion (why should they?). And the coalition faced massive criticism for doing something similar with their housing benefit caps
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
Money is obviously going to be tight, but there is potential to follow an agenda that brings down the cost of the welfare state without cuts. Housing would be a good example with liberalising of planning laws giving builders permission to build on greenfield and green belt sites, with social housing schools and surgeries built under section 106 provision. This would cost the taxpayer very little, but would bring down the housing benefit bill significantly by cutting the cost of housing.
But what about all those people who want to continue to living in expensive housing in the centre of town on the taxpayer's dime.
Surely you are advocating social cleansing...
Or is that only when Tories propose it?
Supply and demand. If you build enough houses on the greenbelt then the cost of housing would drop everywhere. Many would voluntarily move out, as they did to the new towns of the 50s and 60s. Those living in the city centre would benefit, as prices would fall in the city too.
My point was not particularly advocate it as a policy, but to point out that the Government has many levers other than spending.
I actually agree with the policy.
But I think you are naive if you think people who are not paying for their housing will move without compulsion (why should they?). And the coalition faced massive criticism for doing something similar with their housing benefit caps
How many people currently pay nothing for their housing, Charles? Most recipients of housing benefit are in work. Many others are pensioners.
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
Money is obviously going to be tight, but there is potential to follow an agenda that brings down the cost of the welfare state without cuts. Housing would be a good example with liberalising of planning laws giving builders permission to build on greenfield and green belt sites, with social housing schools and surgeries built under section 106 provision. This would cost the taxpayer very little, but would bring down the housing benefit bill significantly by cutting the cost of housing.
Money will be tight and Labour has done next to no thinking on this. It's almost as if they don't expect to be in government. That said, much of the party's vote is primarily anti-Tory. I think David forgets/ignores this. If Labour wins in May - or, more realistically, gets the most MPs - it will not be on the back of voters believing austerity will end and the spending tsps will be turned on; instead, it will be because the country does not want the Tories in power. What we might find is that a few relatively low cost, but very visible moves - such as scrapping the Bedroom tax - will give Balls space to keep overall spending on a relatively tight leash.
Labour voters overwhelmingly believe the cuts have gone too far - being 'Not the Tory Party', then 'Not reversing all the Tory Cuts' is going to end badly.....
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
Money is obviously going to be tight, but there is potential to follow an agenda that brings down the cost of the welfare state without cuts. Housing would be a good example with liberalising of planning laws giving builders permission to build on greenfield and green belt sites, with social housing schools and surgeries built under section 106 provision. This would cost the taxpayer very little, but would bring down the housing benefit bill significantly by cutting the cost of housing.
But what about all those people who want to continue to living in expensive housing in the centre of town on the taxpayer's dime.
Surely you are advocating social cleansing...
Or is that only when Tories propose it?
Supply and demand. If you build enough houses on the greenbelt then the cost of housing would drop everywhere. Many would voluntarily move out, as they did to the new towns of the 50s and 60s. Those living in the city centre would benefit, as prices would fall in the city too.
My point was not particularly advocate it as a policy, but to point out that the Government has many levers other than spending.
I actually agree with the policy.
But I think you are naive if you think people who are not paying for their housing will move without compulsion (why should they?). And the coalition faced massive criticism for doing something similar with their housing benefit caps
Some will move out voluntarily, and if enough do, then rents and prices in the city will drop too due to reduced demand. There is no need for compulsion.
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
Money is obviously going to be tight, but there is potential to follow an agenda that brings down the cost of the welfare state without cuts. Housing would be a good example with liberalising of planning laws giving builders permission to build on greenfield and green belt sites, with social housing schools and surgeries built under section 106 provision. This would cost the taxpayer very little, but would bring down the housing benefit bill significantly by cutting the cost of housing.
But what about all those people who want to continue to living in expensive housing in the centre of town on the taxpayer's dime.
Surely you are advocating social cleansing...
Or is that only when Tories propose it?
Supply and demand. If you build enough houses on the greenbelt then the cost of housing would drop everywhere. Many would voluntarily move out, as they did to the new towns of the 50s and 60s. Those living in the city centre would benefit, as prices would fall in the city too.
My point was not particularly advocate it as a policy, but to point out that the Government has many levers other than spending.
I actually agree with the policy.
But I think you are naive if you think people who are not paying for their housing will move without compulsion (why should they?). And the coalition faced massive criticism for doing something similar with their housing benefit caps
How many people currently pay nothing for their housing, Charles? Most recipients of housing benefit are in work. Many others are pensioners.
I guess all the people that Labour was complaining about during the first two years of the Coalition.
My point is about double standards, not housing policy.
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
Money is obviously going to be tight, but there is potential to follow an agenda that brings down the cost of the welfare state without cuts. Housing would be a good example with liberalising of planning laws giving builders permission to build on greenfield and green belt sites, with social housing schools and surgeries built under section 106 provision. This would cost the taxpayer very little, but would bring down the housing benefit bill significantly by cutting the cost of housing.
But what about all those people who want to continue to living in expensive housing in the centre of town on the taxpayer's dime.
Surely you are advocating social cleansing...
Or is that only when Tories propose it?
Supply and demand. If you build enough houses on the greenbelt then the cost of housing would drop everywhere. Many would voluntarily move out, as they did to the new towns of the 50s and 60s. Those living in the city centre would benefit, as prices would fall in the city too.
My point was not particularly advocate it as a policy, but to point out that the Government has many levers other than spending.
I actually agree with the policy.
But I think you are naive if you think people who are not paying for their housing will move without compulsion (why should they?). And the coalition faced massive criticism for doing something similar with their housing benefit caps
Some will move out voluntarily, and if enough do, then rents and prices in the city will drop too due to reduced demand. There is no need for compulsion.
Labour did bugger all about social housing, and building generally, during 13 years in office until 2010. Well, except for Prescott and Pathfinder, but that involved demolishing perfectly good houses that needed refurbishment. It's difficult to believe that they'd do anything substantially different now.
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
Money is obviously going to be tight, but there is potential to follow an agenda that brings down the cost of the welfare state without cuts. Housing would be a good example with liberalising of planning laws giving builders permission to build on greenfield and green belt sites, with social housing schools and surgeries built under section 106 provision. This would cost the taxpayer very little, but would bring down the housing benefit bill significantly by cutting the cost of housing.
Money will be tight and Labour has done next to no thinking on this. It's almost as if they don't expect to be in government. That said, much of the party's vote is primarily anti-Tory. I think David forgets/ignores this. If Labour wins in May - or, more realistically, gets the most MPs - it will not be on the back of voters believing austerity will end and the spending tsps will be turned on; instead, it will be because the country does not want the Tories in power. What we might find is that a few relatively low cost, but very visible moves - such as scrapping the Bedroom tax - will give Balls space to keep overall spending on a relatively tight leash.
There's been a lot of thinking on it IMO and the answer has been pretty cautious - Ed Balls is no kind of Syriza fan. Voters sense this, and you do get reactions like Danny's that they wish we'd be less cautious: the rise of the Green vote reflects this. But most Labour voters feel we'll be better in intent and probably in practice.
I think it will be an issue around year 2 of government (just as the Tories will have an interesting time if they win and those tax cuts prove elusive), but doubt if most voters will follow Greek affairs closely or consider there's a parallel whether Syriza do well or not.
The UK remains on track to be the fastest growing G7 economy this year despite new figures showing that GDP growth slowed in the third quarter.
Compared to inheritance from Labour;The 'I'm sorry there's no money left' inheritance?
How do voters rate the last 3 Chancellors?
Net 'did well' as Chancellor: Osborne: -7 Darling: -19 Brown: -18
Sunday's YouGov......
The growth inheritance.
So the -0.3% in 2008 and -4.3% in 2009, that growth ?
Indigo, you are wasting your time.
DJ's posts this morning alone show why Labour remains unfit to govern, they still have not learnt from or accepted their failures and as such would just do the same thing over again. The 2010 position of growth was bought very expensively but unsustainable as Labour well knew.
It did give them something to chant for the next 5 years though. That along with tax cuts for millionaires after seeing their 50% tax level ( installed a few days before they left office) reduced yet still higher than Labours entire government since 1997, payments to EU against wishes of Parliament after the election but before Brown slithered out of office and claims of privatising the NHS when only a Labour minister has done so etc etc etc. All carefully planned minefields to be exploited and to further complicate the difficulties of anyone that followed. To Labour and the unions it's all about power more than anything else(like us) I did appreciate Brown saving us money by taking a 25% pay cut to the PM's salary right at the point he left No 10 after 3 years on the higher rate.
Don't ever forget the economy was in dire trouble as far back as 2003, warnings were already flooding in.
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
Money is obviously going to be tight, but there is potential to follow an agenda that brings down the cost of the welfare state without cuts. Housing would be a good example with liberalising of planning laws giving builders permission to build on greenfield and green belt sites, with social housing schools and surgeries built under section 106 provision. This would cost the taxpayer very little, but would bring down the housing benefit bill significantly by cutting the cost of housing.
But what about all those people who want to continue to living in expensive housing in the centre of town on the taxpayer's dime.
Surely you are advocating social cleansing...
Or is that only when Tories propose it?
Supply and demand. If you build enough houses on the greenbelt then the cost of housing would drop everywhere. Many would voluntarily move out, as they did to the new towns of the 50s and 60s. Those living in the city centre would benefit, as prices would fall in the city too.
My point was not particularly advocate it as a policy, but to point out that the Government has many levers other than spending.
I actually agree with the policy.
But I think you are naive if you think people who are not paying for their housing will move without compulsion (why should they?). And the coalition faced massive criticism for doing something similar with their housing benefit caps
Some will move out voluntarily, and if enough do, then rents and prices in the city will drop too due to reduced demand. There is no need for compulsion.
Labour did bugger all about social housing, and building generally, during 13 years in office until 2010. Well, except for Prescott and Pathfinder, but that involved demolishing perfectly good houses that needed refurbishment. It's difficult to believe that they'd do anything different now.
Too true. I was just pointing out that considerable social change is quite possible without a lot of government spending. That should be what a Miliband/Balls government should do to keep the party happy in a financially constrained environment. There are others, such as encouraging EU migrants to take up UK citizenship so that they can vote in elections and assimilate more to British life.
They can develop their engine in-season, but not as much as everyone else (how much is currently unclear).
On-topic: good article, Mr. Herdson. I've thought for a while that the Greek result could have a significant impact here. Of course, they may well go (as other, better informed chaps here have suggested) for extend and pretend and it'll be surprisingly easy. We'll see.
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
Money is obviously going to be tight, but there is potential to follow an agenda that brings down the cost of the welfare state without cuts. Housing would be a good example with liberalising of planning laws giving builders permission to build on greenfield and green belt sites, with social housing schools and surgeries built under section 106 provision. This would cost the taxpayer very little, but would bring down the housing benefit bill significantly by cutting the cost of housing.
But what about all those people who want to continue to living in expensive housing in the centre of town on the taxpayer's dime.
Surely you are advocating social cleansing...
Or is that only when Tories propose it?
Supply and demand. If you build enough houses on the greenbelt then the cost of housing would drop everywhere. Many would voluntarily move out, as they did to the new towns of the 50s and 60s. Those living in the city centre would benefit, as prices would fall in the city too.
My point was not particularly advocate it as a policy, but to point out that the Government has many levers other than spending.
I actually agree with the policy.
But I think you are naive if you think people who are not paying for their housing will move without compulsion (why should they?). And the coalition faced massive criticism for doing something similar with their housing benefit caps
What process was used in the 60's to get people out of their old houses, and into the nice shiney new tower blocks which have since turned into crime ridden eyesores around London ? Presumably people were told the old houses were being knocked down and they were being provided with a new replacement.
If you have social housing sitting on expensive inner city land with people not wanting to move out, presumably there could be a process of building new new houses on the edge of town, condemning the city houses and selling off the land to developers, relocating the tenants to the new houses and using the money raised to pay for more houses on the edge of town, the difference in land prices should pay for the new houses, and probably more new houses than the old houses replaced.
Maybe not the most popular policy going, but those tenants aren't going to vote Tory anyway.
Firstly, Labour has been determined not to do a Syriza (or rather a Hollande). This will cost the party votes to the SNP and the Greens, but if Labour does get into office those that voted fully understand the economic realities. So, I find the premise of the article misguided. Can Labour still spend more. Well, it's a big envelope and the priorities will change. For example, most cuts have gone to local govt, but the funding formula was changed in 2010 so that areas of greater deprivation and social need have had and continue to have greater cuts. Knock on effect has been pressure on NHS because of cuts to social care etc. Hilary Benn confirmed this will be changed back. Same envelope- different priorities. And are we doing well as an economy? I would suggest anyone who thinks that growing inequality and that 2/3 of new jobs are very low paid, zero hour contracts, that 9/10 of new businesses are self employed contractors and that the ONS predicts FALLING tax receipts should watch 'the super rich and you' on BBC iplayer. Inequality is the greatest challenge and it makes us do worse on every level (worst infant mortality in Europe - to the economy, as the IMF confirmed). Ed Miliband recognises this. The Tories font even acknowledge it.
Moses- pre 2010 we had 3 quarters of growth unmatched since. Since 2010, deficit has barely reduced (just a third and stalling) and debt has almost doubled. I'd suggest this govt is not running the economy very well.
If more is to be spent on the NHS, social care and local government, where will the cuts come?
Growing inequality is a symptom of globalisation, to which there appears no easy answer. Protectionism damages trade, making us poorer. Ramping up the minimum wage would decrease employment, hiking taxes prohibitively on the rich would drive them away (cf France).
Maybe tax breaks for firms that adopt a John Lewis approach would work.
Also, zero hour contracts aren't evil as a whole. Some are bad, but not all of them.
Inequality is not the greatest challenge. Fighting poverty is. A street full of paupers is very equal. A street where everyone can afford essentials but two of the homes are occupied by millionaires is very unequal. I know which street I would prefer.
And are we doing well as an economy? I would suggest anyone who thinks that growing inequality and that 2/3 of new jobs are very low paid, zero hour contracts, that 9/10 of new businesses are self employed contractors and that the ONS predicts FALLING tax receipts should watch 'the super rich and you' on BBC iplayer. Inequality is the greatest challenge and it makes us do worse on every level (worst infant mortality in Europe - to the economy, as the IMF confirmed). Ed Miliband recognises this. The Tories font even acknowledge it.
And now back in reality... you can't tax the super rich for any more than they want to pay, they have properties all around the world, and the best accountants and lawyers money can buy. Since the super rich top 1% pay a third of the tax in the UK, making them feel unwelcome is probably not the smartest move even for a Labour government. Every rich city trader that decided to move to Singapore requires 500 or so people earning the average wage to replace the tax he was paying
I think David is being wildly optimistic if he thinks that the great British public will be closely watching the fairly inevitable failure of the next Greek government and thinking carefully about its implications for the UK. We only have to look across the Channel to France to see that the high tax, higher spending model is doomed to fail. Or we could look at our own history under Brown.
Where David is right is that the majority of the population have no desire to do that or learn the lessons of our own failure. To that extent they are like the Syrzia voters who think that democracy means the right to vote to spend non existent money. In the real world how much there is to spend is not a matter of democratic choice expect in the very short term. But the time parameters of our politicians is now 16 weeks and falling. Who really cares what happens after that ?
Sorry, but politics in a country most know only from package holidays is completely unknown to about 95% of the population (99% of those I talk to).
And even the biggest shocks to the EU system that could result will be put down to left overs from the recession and nothing directly to do with the British Government from 2015 onwards.
I enjoy watching 'Pointless' on teatime TV. Very few of the contestants know anything about British politics, and only the odd smart arse knows the first thing about European politics.
Ed's love-in with Hollande went completely under the radar too.
Moses- pre 2010 we had 3 quarters of growth unmatched since. Since 2010, deficit has barely reduced (just a third and stalling) and debt has almost doubled. I'd suggest this govt is not running the economy very well.
Talk us through unemployment 07-10 then ?
The areas outside London seeming the fastest growth are where the state jobs have been cut, clearing the way for private enterprise to flourish. Councils are a remaining impediment - further cuts in non essential payroll will allow a second wave of growth. Bonus is reducing the future liabilities from fat cat pensions.
Here's an interesting question: who'll default first in 2015, Greece or Venezuela?
A couple of assumptions: a default is defined as either a change to debt terms (maturity or interest rate), or missing an interest or principal repayment.
And, when Venezuela defaults (because its tax base and economy are too dependent on oil, and all its debts are in US Dollars), will there be contagion to other "commodity" dependent Latin American countries, where the vast bulk of debts are US Dollar denominated - Ecuador, Mexico, and (most scarily) Brazil?
"We despair when Ofsted discovers another six private Islamic schools (in east London this time) where the sexes are segregated, children are taught only about sharia law and “not prepared for life in modern Britain”.
Breathtaking ignorance by the Telegraph writer of many religious schools. I suggest she visits the Hasidic schools of Hendon where not only iare the sexes segregated but they are not even allowed to be taught in the same building. As for not 'preparing them for life in modern Britain' the schools would empty if they promised to prepare their pupils for life in modern Britain'!
If Labour wins in May ... it will not be on the back of voters believing austerity will end and the spending tsps will be turned on; instead, it will be because the country does not want the Tories in power. ..t a few relatively low cost, but very visible moves - such as scrapping the Bedroom tax - will give Balls space to keep overall spending on a relatively tight leash.
Possibly. There is a disconnect between what Labour are actually saying they will do and what they are attempting to give the impression they will do - and also what some of its supporters seem to think that they will do in terms of rolling back what the evil Tories have done - and it will be pretty interesting to see how those more uncompromising anti-austerity voices in particular react to Labour austerity, which, astonishingly, if you are the one subject to it I should not expect will feel any different to Tory austerity (the overall merits of Labour cuts vs Tory cuts is possible in theory though I guess, but individually those impacted won't notice the difference even if there is one) DJ's posts this morning alone show why Labour remains unfit to govern, they still have not learnt from or accepted their failures and as such would just do the same thing over again.
I confess this is my main worry for PM Ed - I am sure that he is a competent man, and practical constraints will prevent he and his team from launching ideas which would be a total disaster as some seem to fear, in fact within the policy of tweaking what is being done as I suspect it will be, it could be an improvement (or at least the natural improvement over time will begin to feel more apparent in any case). But given Labour seem to be heading for a win on the basis that the Tories and LDs have imploded (the Tories with their vote share not being as terrible, but their divisions and the rise of UKIP undermining them from winning seats they need to win and defending others they need to hold), Labour, headed by figures with a long history at the heart of the last government as much as they seem to like to forget that, will waltz back in after only 5 years and without having been forced into any kind of genuine self reflection. It's been a paint job and sticking to the basest and laziest attacks as I see it.
It's worked I think, I believe they will win most seats and possibly a small majority, but they could have won far more easily and actually been bolder these past five years, instead of staying in the comfort zone and relying on the irrationality of the 'Tories eat babies' section of voters and the Tories' own weaknesses to see them over the line.
Ed M seems a canny sort though, so I'm hoping he proves to be more creative than his tactics would suggest.
Mr. Roger, I think the sharia law is perhaps a graver concern. And if we had Hasidic Jewish terrorism I imagine there'd be question about their schooling as well.
Mr. 1000, that's a very interesting point. I had no idea Brazil would be, potentially, in the firing line if that happened.
Venezuela will go first. The mewling eunuchs of Brussels are desperate for their fantasy of Euroland's utopia to struggle on.
Where David is right is that the majority of the population have no desire to do that or learn the lessons of our own failure. To that extent they are like the Syrzia voters who think that democracy means the right to vote to spend non existent money. In the real world how much there is to spend is not a matter of democratic choice expect in the very short term. But the time parameters of our politicians is now 16 weeks and falling. Who really cares what happens after that ?
#firstworldproblems
The reason the population hasn't learned is because we do such a good job of insulating them from the consequences, we have so many absurdly generous safe nets that increasing numbers of people see being on benefit as a lifestyle choice.
If being on benefit is being seen as a realistic lifestyle choice then it means for a lot of people it much be approach the same sort of living standard they would get when employed. It therefore follows that if as a result of electing a group of idiots into government that crash the economy into the wall, a lot of people take in effect a fairly modest drop in their living standards for a while until they next job comes along. Mostly they stay in the same house, their children stay at the same school, everyone get the same health care, they have to trim back on foreign holidays and maybe cancel buying a new TV or updating the car that year. Yes there are a few cases where the effects the pretty unpleasant, but they are the tiny minority, and insignificant in voting terms.
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
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Or is that only when Tories propose it?
I actually agree with the policy.
But I think you are naive if you think people who are not paying for their housing will move without compulsion (why should they?). And the coalition faced massive criticism for doing something similar with their housing benefit caps
What process was used in the 60's to get people out of their old houses, and into the nice shiney new tower blocks which have since turned into crime ridden eyesores around London ? Presumably people were told the old houses were being knocked down and they were being provided with a new replacement.
If you have social housing sitting on expensive inner city land with people not wanting to move out, presumably there could be a process of building new new houses on the edge of town, condemning the city houses and selling off the land to developers, relocating the tenants to the new houses and using the money raised to pay for more houses on the edge of town, the difference in land prices should pay for the new houses, and probably more new houses than the old houses replaced.
Maybe not the most popular policy going, but those tenants aren't going to vote Tory anyway.
That is what is happening... on the edge of town, where I live, two hospitals have been closed down and the land used to build new homes. The only other A&E in the area is also closing
So you get a load more people and fewer facilities... it is the route to madness
The one hospital left, Queens, has been in special measures, and recently my mates wife gave birth there while they were delivering babies in the toilets because overcrowding meant there was no room in the maternity ward
Still, at least it makes zones 1&2 look nice on the telly for overseas buyers... while we get the countries most expensive third world hospital
"Jas Athwal, leader of the Redbridge Labour party, described the news as an “absolute shock”.
He added: “Queen’s was built for 300,000 people in mind but now it has to cope with 800,000 - it is not right. "
"We despair when Ofsted discovers another six private Islamic schools (in east London this time) where the sexes are segregated, children are taught only about sharia law and “not prepared for life in modern Britain”.
Breathtaking ignorance by the Telegraph writer of many religious schools. I suggest she visits the Hasidic schools of Hendon where not only iare the sexes segregated but they are not even allowed to be taught in the same building. As for not 'preparing them for life in modern Britain' the schools would empty if they promised to prepare their pupils for life in modern Britain'!
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
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But what about all those people who want to continue to living in expensive housing in the centre of town on the taxpayer's dime.
Surely you are advocating social cleansing...
Or is that only when Tories propose it?
If you have social housing sitting on expensive inner city land with people not wanting to move out, presumably there could be a process of building new new houses on the edge of town, condemning the city houses and selling off the land to developers, relocating the tenants to the new houses and using the money raised to pay for more houses on the edge of town, the difference in land prices should pay for the new houses, and probably more new houses than the old houses replaced.
Maybe not the most popular policy going, but those tenants aren't going to vote Tory anyway.
The Planners Dream Goes Wrong by The Jam is a song about the process you describe of building high rise flats that ruin communities and peoples lives
"Letting loose the lunatics wasn't the greatest of ideas Giving them plans and money to squander Should have been the worst of our fears The dream life luxury living was a pleasant number 10 whim But somewhere down the line of production They left out human beings
They were gonna build communities It was going to be pie in the sky But the piss stench hallways and broken down lifts Say the planners dream went wrong
If people were made to live in boxes God would have given them string To tie around their selves at bed time And stop their dreams falling through the ceiling
And the public school boy computers Keep spewing out our future The house in the country designs the 14th floor Old Mrs. Smith don't get out much more
Coitus interrupts 'cause of next doors rows Your washing gets nicked when the lights go out Baby's scream in the nightmare throng But planners just get embarrassed when their plans go wrong!"
If Osborne now says that the relevant deficit level is the relationship with GDP, surely more important to control costs but grow the economy rather than the huge predicted cuts proposed post May, which will inevitably suppress growth, as post May 2010.
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
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But what about all those people who want to continue to living in expensive housing in the centre of town on the taxpayer's dime.
Surely you are advocating social cleansing...
Or is that only when Tories propose it?
If you have social housing sitting on expensive inner city land with people not wanting to move out, presumably there could be a process of building new new houses on the edge of town, condemning the city houses and selling off the land to developers, relocating the tenants to the new houses and using the money raised to pay for more houses on the edge of town, the difference in land prices should pay for the new houses, and probably more new houses than the old houses replaced.
Maybe not the most popular policy going, but those tenants aren't going to vote Tory anyway.
The Planners Dream Goes Wrong by The Jam is a song about the process you describe of building high rise flats that ruin communities and peoples lives
I am pretty sure I didn't advocate moving people into those sort of squalid flats, infact I dont advocate the policy at all. But since Labour wants to make social change without spending any money, the obvious choice is to trade high value land in the city for more lower value land on the outskirts, build broadly similar houses, in broadly similar communities so people can be relocated, only you have more houses in the outskirts because the land is cheaper so more social housing overall, then sell off the city land to pay for it.
And a Labour PCC is a disinterested observer.......
He was not part of the CQC team, he was a doctor at the Trust who was interviewed.
Have you read the report that I linked to? Do you think it acceptable that patients were listed as Do not Resucitate without this being discussed with the patient or being documented by the medical staff? Time was that the Daily Mail would have been outraged by that, now it is outraged that the CQC exposed it!
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
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But what about all those people who want to continue to living in expensive housing in the centre of town on the taxpayer's dime.
Surely you are advocating social cleansing...
Or is that only when Tories propose it?
If you have social housing sitting on expensive inner city land with people not wanting to move out, presumably there could be a process of building new new houses on the edge of town, condemning the city houses and selling off the land to developers, relocating the tenants to the new houses and using the money raised to pay for more houses on the edge of town, the difference in land prices should pay for the new houses, and probably more new houses than the old houses replaced.
Maybe not the most popular policy going, but those tenants aren't going to vote Tory anyway.
The Planners Dream Goes Wrong by The Jam is a song about the process you describe of building high rise flats that ruin communities and peoples lives
I am pretty sure I didn't advocate moving people into those sort of squalid flats, infact I dont advocate the policy at all. But since Labour wants to make social change without spending any money, the obvious choice is to trade high value land in the city for more lower value land on the outskirts, build broadly similar houses, in broadly similar communities so people can be relocated, only you have more houses in the outskirts because the land is cheaper so more social housing overall, then sell off the city land to pay for it.
A lot of inner city folk in the sixties jumped at the chance of swapping their inner city slum for a house with a garden in a New Town. Let the private sector build, no need for high rise.
40 yrs ago my partner was taught in a RC school and educated by nuns. Classes were segregated and boys and girls changed classes at different times to avoid any contact. Its not something that is new, but it is not acceptable in modern day Britain
If Osborne now says that the relevant deficit level is the relationship with GDP, surely more important to control costs but grow the economy rather than the huge predicted cuts proposed post May, which will inevitably suppress growth, as post May 2010.
If you know how a government can grow the economy without cutting regulations (which we mostly can't do because of the EU, and Labour love regulating things)), cutting taxes (no chance of that with a Labour government), increasing labour flexibility (even less chance with a Labour government), throwing money we dont have at infrastructure and hoping it has an effect, or throwing money we dont have at businesses and hoping they make a profit, I imagine any chancellor will be all ears.
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
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But what about all those people who want to continue to living in expensive housing in the centre of town on the taxpayer's dime.
Surely you are advocating social cleansing...
Or is that only when Tories propose it?
If you have social housing sitting on expensive inner city land with people not wanting to move out, presumably there could be a process of building new new houses on the edge of town, condemning the city houses and selling off the land to developers, relocating the tenants to the new houses and using the money raised to pay for more houses on the edge of town, the difference in land prices should pay for the new houses, and probably more new houses than the old houses replaced.
Maybe not the most popular policy going, but those tenants aren't going to vote Tory anyway.
The Planners Dream Goes Wrong by The Jam is a song about the process you describe of building high rise flats that ruin communities and peoples lives
I am pretty sure I didn't advocate moving people into those sort of squalid flats, infact I dont advocate the policy at all. But since Labour wants to make social change without spending any money, the obvious choice is to trade high value land in the city for more lower value land on the outskirts, build broadly similar houses, in broadly similar communities so people can be relocated, only you have more houses in the outskirts because the land is cheaper so more social housing overall, then sell off the city land to pay for it.
Easy tiger I didn't say you suggested it, but you did describe it
Social Cleansing from East London to the outskirts has been going on for years and is one of the main reasons UKIP are favourites in Thurrock
Moses- pre 2010 we had 3 quarters of growth unmatched since. Since 2010, deficit has barely reduced (just a third and stalling) and debt has almost doubled. I'd suggest this govt is not running the economy very well.
Talk us through unemployment 07-10 then ?
The areas outside London seeming the fastest growth are where the state jobs have been cut, clearing the way for private enterprise to flourish. Councils are a remaining impediment - further cuts in non essential payroll will allow a second wave of growth. Bonus is reducing the future liabilities from fat cat pensions.
Then grateful workers will sweep the Conservatives back to power in a landslide victory. I'm off to Ladbrokes to put the rent money on. Thanks for the tip.
Moses- pre 2010 we had 3 quarters of growth unmatched since. Since 2010, deficit has barely reduced (just a third and stalling) and debt has almost doubled. I'd suggest this govt is not running the economy very well.
And how much did each of that 0.1% of massaged growth did that cost the country? Anyone can create growth it's sustaining that growth. No this was just opening the taps and creating the spectre of growth as always just another temporary electioneering stunt by Labour to give an image of this so called golden legacy. If this government is not running it well then Labours tenure was by comparison utterly catastrophic ( as it always is with Labour)
I noted that you chose to ignore the fact that Labours economy was in serious trouble back as far as 2003 despite numerous warnings they continued.
It's also odd that people give no credit to the coalition on anything despite 24 months of solid improvements it are happy to champion some supposed plastic growth massaged by Labour . Even Christine Legarde of the IMF States this is a model economy, they wish. All economies were like this and we are an example to the world. On the other hand since 2003 IMF and others were warning Labour of the dangers of what they were doing finally withe statement after 13 years of Labour
"The UK is the least well prepared country to withstand the oncoming financial problems"
There was in effect "no money left"
Let's not hear anything more about this coalitions competence before looking at the last 13 years of Labour.
When I hear a Muslim girl, who has been raped by men in her community, tell Radio 4’s File on 4 that she “might as well be living in rural Pakistan”, so little do the laws of England apply to her, I think how dare they come here and recreate their primitive, peasant society in this enlightened land?
When the security services warn that 150 jihadists, back in the UK from Syria, could launch random gun attacks similar to the Paris massacre, and that many of those charming gentlemen have not enrolled on the voluntary deradicalisation programme, we smite our heads against the nearest brick wall and wonder when the safety of innocent civilians (of all faiths and none) is going to be put before the human rights of maniacs.
I should have gone on to say that you're right about the Labour mantra that spending is good, but when it goes wrong, it's always blamed on someone else. "The gnomes of Zurich" "it began in America" or the rich not paying their fair share of taxes.
When even Conservative politicians ignore the difference between debt and deficit, you can't expect a nuanced debate.
A good article for PB, but politics is the art of image, of superficiality.
Ed fails on both image and reality but the Labour brand is caring, so he will still try to excuse any failure as someone else's fault (and that's not restricted just to Labour).
In a discussion this week (Radio5L), someone complained that the fall in fuel prices was nothing to do with the government and therefore they shouldn't get any credit. The BBC presenter agreed. But what happens when fuel prices rise? So perhaps politicians are right to avoid complicated and accurate summaries.
And a Labour PCC is a disinterested observer.......
He was not part of the CQC team, he was a doctor at the Trust who was interviewed.
That still does not make him a 'disinterested observer'.
I have no doubt he declared his political ambitions to the CQC.
Yes I did read the report - while some of it was objective (like the poor DNR processes) other parts were subjective - lets see what emerges with time.
I am sure we are all concerned about the patients.
The Labour PC tweeted his concern about the staff.......
Let's not hear anything more about this coalitions competence before looking at the last 13 years of Labour.
The coalition hasn't been incompetent on the economy (lots of other things for sure), but the public still lives in fantasy land. I am afraid its going to take them seeing Labour making the same cuts and actually having to make deeper cuts than the Tories to pay for the extra money they pointlessly piss up the wall, before the public start to notice, but as I said below, we insulate people so well from the screw ups of government they probably won't really notice even then, personally I think it will take the IMF and a forced cut of 4% in one year to wake people up, as it did when Mr Healey had to do it.
Moses- pre 2010 we had 3 quarters of growth unmatched since. Since 2010, deficit has barely reduced (just a third and stalling) and debt has almost doubled. I'd suggest this govt is not running the economy very well.
Talk us through unemployment 07-10 then ?
The areas outside London seeming the fastest growth are where the state jobs have been cut, clearing the way for private enterprise to flourish. Councils are a remaining impediment - further cuts in non essential payroll will allow a second wave of growth. Bonus is reducing the future liabilities from fat cat pensions.
Then grateful workers will sweep the Conservatives back to power in a landslide victory. I'm off to Ladbrokes to put the rent money on. Thanks for the tip.
You said that between gritted teeth.
Over one million new jobs created and Labour said yeah but they are part time, temporary contracts and zero hour contracts (as introduced by Labour of course) Theses are not real jobs they said.... Then someone looked and found 95% were full time and not as Labour stated or scaremongers do. That's before we see the falls in youth unemployment.
And a Labour PCC is a disinterested observer.......
He was not part of the CQC team, he was a doctor at the Trust who was interviewed.
That still does not make him a 'disinterested observer'.
I have no doubt he declared his political ambitions to the CQC.
Yes I did read the report - while some of it was objective (like the poor DNR processes) other parts were subjective - lets see what emerges with time.
I am sure we are all concerned about the patients.
The Labour PC tweeted his concern about the staff.......
Which bits of the report did you think were biased?
Circle could have disputed its accuracy if they wanted, but they did not do so. They walked away, leaving the NHS to pick up the pieces. Something that is not unusual with privatised services.
Indeed if you look at the CQC report on Leicester one of the main foci of criticism was the poor portering and catering provided by the private company with the contract. There is a theme emerging...
Anyone want to be that Balls gives public sector workers a nice fat pay rise in his first budget to cement the core vote, especially if a second election is looking possible? 5% for everyone to make up for the money they didn't get while those nasty Tories were eating babies in power. Public sector pay bill is around £200bn, so whats £10bn more structural spending between friends, anyway the *cough* Mansion Tax will cover it.
When I hear a Muslim girl, who has been raped by men in her community, tell Radio 4’s File on 4 that she “might as well be living in rural Pakistan”, so little do the laws of England apply to her, I think how dare they come here and recreate their primitive, peasant society in this enlightened land?
When the security services warn that 150 jihadists, back in the UK from Syria, could launch random gun attacks similar to the Paris massacre, and that many of those charming gentlemen have not enrolled on the voluntary deradicalisation programme, we smite our heads against the nearest brick wall and wonder when the safety of innocent civilians (of all faiths and none) is going to be put before the human rights of maniacs.
Spiked has a good editorial on how the accusation of Islamophobia has been used to suppress criticism of the barbaric practices of traditional Islam:
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
Money is obviously going to be tight, but there is potential to follow an agenda that brings down the cost of the welfare state without cuts. Housing would be a good example with liberalising of planning laws giving builders permission to build on greenfield and green belt sites, with social housing schools and surgeries built under section 106 provision. This would cost the taxpayer very little, but would bring down the housing benefit bill significantly by cutting the cost of housing.
But what about all those people who want to continue to living in expensive housing in the centre of town on the taxpayer's dime.
Surely you are advocating social cleansing...
Or is that only when Tories propose it?
Supply and demand. If you build enough houses on the greenbelt then the cost of housing would drop everywhere. Many would voluntarily move out, as they did to the new towns of the 50s and 60s. Those living in the city centre would benefit, as prices would fall in the city too.
My point was not particularly advocate it as a policy, but to point out that the Government has many levers other than spending.
I actually agree with the policy.
But I think you are naive if you think people who are not paying for their housing will move without compulsion (why should they?). And the coalition faced massive criticism for doing something similar with their housing benefit caps
How many people currently pay nothing for their housing, Charles? Most recipients of housing benefit are in work. Many others are pensioners.
I guess all the people that Labour was complaining about during the first two years of the Coalition.
My point is about double standards, not housing policy.
Here's a double standard for you: the government will subsidise someone up to £100,000 to buy their council accommodation in Camden and will not take a second look at the number of bedrooms that person needs or the accommodation provides. However, if that same person was out of work and had a bedroom he/she did not immediately need the government would cut his/her benefits. Lovely.
Indeed if you look at the CQC report on Leicester one of the main foci of criticism was the poor portering and catering provided by the private company with the contract. There is a theme emerging...
That the government doesn't pay private providers enough money to make it worth the effort ?
"Galloway marching to protest defamation of his prophet"
I applaud his drawing attention the the hypocricy and double standards in the Charlie Hebdo affair. Britain marching arm in arm with the Saudis who everyone with any knowledge of the region knows is the most most mysoginystic country on the planet. What's more had these cartoons appeared as fliers in Riyadh the cartoonist would amost certainly have been publically executed.
This morning Indigo linked to an article about te pernicious effects of Islam in the UK castigating segregated classrooms found in six east London schools. Well the fastest growing religious sect is the Hasidim who are not permitted any contact with the opposite sex let alone to share a classroom with them. What's more all their marriages are 'arranged'. So what?
It's nothing short of blind prejudice which owes more to the 'foreignness' of most Muslims rather than their religious practices and I applaud Galloway for pointing it out.
Consumers are being denied energy price cuts of as much as £130 a year because of Ed Miliband’s price freeze proposal, experts have claimed.
Energy companies are failing to pass on the full falls in wholesale prices because they are afraid they will not be able to cover their costs if prices rise again under a Labour Government, industry analysts say.
Companies should be able to afford to cut prices by "a double-figures percentage", Ann Robinson of price comparison site uswitch said, with average gas and electricity bills currently about £1,300 a year.
Let's not hear anything more about this coalitions competence before looking at the last 13 years of Labour.
its going to take them seeing Labour making the same cuts and actually having to make deeper cuts than the Tories to pay for the extra money they pointlessly piss up the wall, before the public start to notice,
Fact. Somehow, I still don't know how, more people seem to think that Labour cuts are not as bad as Tory cuts even though the reality is at some point you have to cut from the same areas of expenditure, the largest areas, which hit people hardest.
Consumers are being denied energy price cuts of as much as £130 a year because of Ed Miliband’s price freeze proposal, experts have claimed.
Energy companies are failing to pass on the full falls in wholesale prices because they are afraid they will not be able to cover their costs if prices rise again under a Labour Government, industry analysts say.
Companies should be able to afford to cut prices by "a double-figures percentage", Ann Robinson of price comparison site uswitch said, with average gas and electricity bills currently about £1,300 a year.
And in previous years, before Ed made his promise, what was the reason that falls in wholesale prices did not lead to energy price cuts? We've heard it all before.
Anyone want to be that Balls gives public sector workers a nice fat pay rise in his first budget to cement the core vote, especially if a second election is looking possible? 5% for everyone to make up for the money they didn't get while those nasty Tories were eating babies in power. Public sector pay bill is around £200bn, so whats £10bn more structural spending between friends, anyway the *cough* Mansion Tax will cover it.
Balls has promised to maintain the freeze on public sector pay as recently as last week:
"It's nothing short of blind prejudice which owes more to the 'foreignness' of most Muslims"
I agree Roger, those Hasidim want to force us to do the same, under penalty of death, don't they? Do what we demand or die.Entirely reasonable in the circumstances.
I have respect for religious observance. I don't have respect for forced subservience. Can you not see the difference?
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
Money is obviously going to be tight, but there is potential to follow an agenda that brings down the cost of the welfare state without cuts. Housing would be a good example with liberalising of planning laws giving builders permission to build on greenfield and green belt sites, with social housing schools and surgeries built under section 106 provision. This would cost the taxpayer very little, but would bring down the housing benefit bill significantly by cutting the cost of housing.
But what about all those people who want to continue to living in expensive housing in the centre of town on the taxpayer's dime.
Surely you are advocating social cleansing...
Or is that only when Tories propose it?
Supply and demand. If you build enough houses on the greenbelt then the cost of housing would drop everywhere. Many would voluntarily move out, as they did to the new towns of the 50s and 60s. Those living in the city centre would benefit, as prices would fall in the city too.
My point was not particularly advocate it as a policy, but to point out that the Government has many levers other than spending.
I actually agree with the policy.
But I think you are naive if you think people who are not paying for their housing will move without compulsion (why should they?). And the coalition faced massive criticism for doing something similar with their housing benefit caps
How many people currently pay nothing for their housing, Charles? Most recipients of housing benefit are in work. Many others are pensioners.
I guess all the people that Labour was complaining about during the first two years of the Coalition.
My point is about double standards, not housing policy.
Here's a double standard for you: the government will subsidise someone up to £100,000 to buy their council accommodation in Camden and will not take a second look at the number of bedrooms that person needs or the accommodation provides. However, if that same person was out of work and had a bedroom he/she did not immediately need the government would cut his/her benefits. Lovely.
If that's correct there does appear to be a disparity there. That doesn't make the bedroom tax unfair though, it still sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Not as generous as we might like to be, but not unreasonable.
And a Labour PCC is a disinterested observer.......
He was not part of the CQC team, he was a doctor at the Trust who was interviewed.
That still does not make him a 'disinterested observer'.
I have no doubt he declared his political ambitions to the CQC.
Yes I did read the report - while some of it was objective (like the poor DNR processes) other parts were subjective - lets see what emerges with time.
I am sure we are all concerned about the patients.
The Labour PC tweeted his concern about the staff.......
Circle could have disputed its accuracy if they wanted, but they did not do so.
A spokesman for Circle added: “We intend to request a ratings review.
“We believe the report was unbalanced and does not reflect the hospital.”
"Galloway marching to protest defamation of his prophet"
I applaud his drawing attention the the hypocricy and double standards in the Charlie Hebdo affair. Britain marching arm in arm with the Saudis who everyone with any knowledge of the region knows is the most most mysoginystic country on the planet. What's more had these cartoons appeared as fliers in Riyadh the cartoonist would amost certainly have been publically executed.
This morning Indigo linked to an article about te pernicious effects of Islam in the UK castigating segregated classrooms found in six east London schools. Well the fastest growing religious sect is the Haidim who are not permitted any contact with the opposite sex let alone to share a classroom with them. What's more all their marriages are 'arranged'. So what?
It's nothing short of blind prejudice which owes more to the 'foreignness' of most Muslims than their religious practices and I applaud Galloway for pointing it out.
When we start being blown up and having our cartoonist machine gunned by the Haidim I imagine people will be more concerned. Liberal handwringing and human rights obsessions are ultimately going to get people killed, which was really the point of that article I think.
Dont you think we should be even a little upset about being the FGM capital of Europe, to the extent that little girls are being brought here in a kind of reverse health tourism to have it done to them. Or is the rights of that minority not to be offended and interfered with by our laws more important. Funnily enough when asked with an FoI what the total arrest numbers were the Met Police rejected the request on the basis that is was too expensive to find out! But the number of arrests is a small handful and the number of prosecutions would have been even easier to count, since its zero.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing.
Indeed if you look at the CQC report on Leicester one of the main foci of criticism was the poor portering and catering provided by the private company with the contract. There is a theme emerging...
That the government doesn't pay private providers enough money to make it worth the effort ?
Or that the company bid for work that it could not deliver at the price agreed?
In Leicester Interserve (the outsourced company) instantly wanted to force all the portering and catering staff onto Zero hours contracts, a good number handed in their notice. Real dedication to quality there...
Consumers are being denied energy price cuts of as much as £130 a year because of Ed Miliband’s price freeze proposal, experts have claimed.
Energy companies are failing to pass on the full falls in wholesale prices because they are afraid they will not be able to cover their costs if prices rise again under a Labour Government, industry analysts say.
Companies should be able to afford to cut prices by "a double-figures percentage", Ann Robinson of price comparison site uswitch said, with average gas and electricity bills currently about £1,300 a year.
Moses- pre 2010 we had 3 quarters of growth unmatched since. Since 2010, deficit has barely reduced (just a third and stalling) and debt has almost doubled. I'd suggest this govt is not running the economy very well.
Talk us through unemployment 07-10 then ?
The areas outside London seeming the fastest growth are where the state jobs have been cut, clearing the way for private enterprise to flourish. Councils are a remaining impediment - further cuts in non essential payroll will allow a second wave of growth. Bonus is reducing the future liabilities from fat cat pensions.
Then grateful workers will sweep the Conservatives back to power in a landslide victory. I'm off to Ladbrokes to put the rent money on. Thanks for the tip.
You said that between gritted teeth.
Over one million new jobs created and Labour said yeah but they are part time, temporary contracts and zero hour contracts (as introduced by Labour of course) Theses are not real jobs they said.... Then someone looked and found 95% were full time and not as Labour stated or scaremongers do. That's before we see the falls in youth unemployment.
If you read the start of this thread, you will see I have pointed to reasons Labour may not win. That was before it turned into yet another bout of "magic money tree" name-calling. If it is right that workers across the land, though outside London, are prospering under the Conservatives, then Cameron will easily be returned to Number 10. If, on the other hand, these new jobs are mostly low-paid, part-time or fake self-employment, then Ed's missus can start measuring up the curtains.
In Leicester Interserve (the outsourced company) instantly wanted to force all the portering and catering staff onto Zero hours contracts, a good number handed in their notice. Real dedication to quality there...
Not the happiest of comparisons considering the public sector and the third sector are by far the biggest users of zero hours contracts, what was that about dedication to quality ?
I am sure that an incoming Labour government would struggle with the desire for less austerity yet some sort of financial rectitude. In practice I would expect tax rises and continuing austerity.
Money is obviously going to be tight, but there is potential to follow an agenda that brings down the cost of the welfare state without cuts. Housing would be a good example with liberalising of planning laws giving builders permission to build on greenfield and green belt sites, with social housing schools and surgeries built under section 106 provision. This would cost the taxpayer very little, but would bring down the housing benefit bill significantly by cutting the cost of housing.
Or is that only when Tories propose it?
My point was not particularly advocate it as a policy, but to point out that the Government has many levers other than spending.
I actually agree with the policy.
But I think you are naive if you think people who are not paying for their housing will move without compulsion (why should they?). And the coalition faced massive criticism for doing something similar with their housing benefit caps
How many people currently pay nothing for their housing, Charles? Most recipients of housing benefit are in work. Many others are pensioners.
I guess all the people that Labour was complaining about during the first two years of the Coalition.
My point is about double standards, not housing policy.
Here's a double standard for you: the government will subsidise someone up to £100,000 to buy their council accommodation in Camden and will not take a second look at the number of bedrooms that person needs or the accommodation provides. However, if that same person was out of work and had a bedroom he/she did not immediately need the government would cut his/her benefits. Lovely.
Yes that scheme hasn't any unintended consequences...
People are buying their council flat and selling it for upto nearly a million pond profit the next day.. or renting it for 4 times the council rate
Hmm I wonder if criminals/dodgy companies are circling round these council tenents like vultures???
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What had suddenly gone so wrong that Circle could no longer make ends meet, and was placed in special measures by the Care Quality Commission following a blistering inspection report?
The answer, it would appear, is that Hinchingbrooke may have fallen prey to a ruthlessly orchestrated and deeply disturbing Left-wing campaign.......
Most incredibly, a paediatrician known to have briefed the inspectors while they were visiting Hinchingbrooke turns out to be the Labour Party’s local candidate in the forthcoming General Election!
We already knew of Ed Miliband’s disgraceful intention to ‘weaponise’ the NHS. If the treatment of Circle is anything to go by, the Tories – and anybody else who wishes to bring private sector innovation to the inefficient health service – better be ready for a very dirty fight indeed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2914152/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-Stitch-start-dirty-fight-NHS.html
Labour would raise taxes on people like me (net):
OA: +35
Lab: -7
For perspective Con is +21 OA
Spending cuts have gone too far (vs OA 47)
Con: -31
Lab: +31
LibD: +1
UKIP: -1
Net, Labour voters overwhelmingly think spending cuts have gone too far, but don't think that they will face the tax rises to pay for their reversal.
http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/10nth9jzk9/YG-Archive-Pol-Sunday-Times-results-090115.pdf
That will be Labour's problem.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-30859937
which would doubtless be fisked (do people still say that?) if Ed Miliband made the same call, but more importantly, Giles Coren has eaten the best steak ever. Perhaps Times readers can report back on whether Coren agrees with SeanT of this parish that the world's best steak is from Dinner by Heston.
Upgrading our internet infrastructure would be a more rapid and more certain payoff, except that most of it belong to private companies that the country could not afford to nationalise even if it wanted to. Its worth noting that Dave (and probably Ed's) idiotic encryption ban plans would do more damage to our IT infrastructure in one law than almost any amount of infrastructure upgrade.
If you mean investing in businesses, as I might have mentioned, we don't have any money, so it would be borrowing money to invest in companies, back to the worst excesses of Old Labour, its about the government feeling itself capable of predicting which businesses will succeed and which will fail, something governments of all colours have a pretty piss-poor record on. If (as is likely) the business doesn't succeed it would be just another loss to record against the public exchequer, I can see the lenders tiring of that game quite fast and the interest rates the UK having to pay rapidly heading upwards, which giving the amount of money we are currently paying interest on, wouldn't be good.
Underlying all this, and in my view far more important is our horrific productivity compared even to our European partners, never mind our global competitors.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/oct/24/uk-economic-growth-slows
Compared to inheritance from Labour; compared to the United States. Of course, German-imposed austerity in the Eurozone killed growth there, and also dished George Osborne's hopes of European exports pulling us clear.
How do voters rate the last 3 Chancellors?
Net 'did well' as Chancellor:
Osborne: -7
Darling: -19
Brown: -18
Sunday's YouGov......
What happens if Syriza are, somehow, seen to be doing quite well in government when 7th May rolls around? Not saying this will happen but perhaps they'll still be in their honeymoon period, or they'll manage to screw better terms out of Germany or maybe they'll just get lucky. Would that help Ed? Probably not as Balls will still want to appear responsible.
Confidence in UK govt to keep people safe from terrorist attack: (net):
Con: +70
Lab: +14
LibD: +53
UKIP: -23
Getting a GP appointment - when you wanted to (net):
Con: +28
Lab: +12
LibD: +19
UKIP: -13
It might also be because they tell Germany to get stuffed, bring back the Drachma, and as it devalues by 30% or so the Greek economy starts to take off again... The Commission's worst nightmare would be Greece doing well outside the Euro, lots of countries looking to follow suit if it does.
I am sure RCS1000 is right, it will get fudged, their debt will get extended. I would expect after some initial euphoria people start to notice that not much has changed, the Greek economy will continue to bounce along the bottom and Syriza will get thrown out soon for not doing what they said they will do.
How do voters rate the last 3 Chancellors?
Net 'did well' as Chancellor:
Osborne: -7
Darling: -19
Brown: -18
Sunday's YouGov......
The growth inheritance.
http://www.cqc.org.uk/location/RQQ31
But this excerpt gives a flavour "Do not attempt cardio-pulmonary resuscitation' (DNA CPR) forms were completed, but a high percentage had not been appropriately signed by a consultant. In many instances, we found that DNA CPR decisions had not been discussed with the patient or their representatives. Assessments had not been completed when the reason given for not discussing decisions with patients was recorded as the patient lacking capacity. Documentation was found to be poor throughout the service. Ward staff training in end of life care was lacking, and no one we spoke to on the wards had advanced communication training, however the palliative care team did have this training."
Sounds pretty serious to me and not a matter that can be spun either way. DNR-CPR orders are a fundamental part of consent and record keeping.
I was involved to a degree in last years CQC visit to my own NHS Trust. We were briefed by our management on what to expect, but the management specifically instructed us to be honest and open and to show the inspectors everything of interest. I thought this showed a lot of integrity by our management team.
Our report is here: http://www.cqc.org.uk/provider/RWE
So the -0.3% in 2008 and -4.3% in 2009, that growth ?
Money is obviously going to be tight, but there is potential to follow an agenda that brings down the cost of the welfare state without cuts. Housing would be a good example with liberalising of planning laws giving builders permission to build on greenfield and green belt sites, with social housing schools and surgeries built under section 106 provision. This would cost the taxpayer very little, but would bring down the housing benefit bill significantly by cutting the cost of housing.
Surely you are advocating social cleansing...
Or is that only when Tories propose it?
In the quote I gave patients were being listed as "Do not resuscitate" without it being discussed with them or documented by their doctors. That is not something that is slanted but rather a simple matter of fact proven by lack of record keeping.
If you read the report on Childrens A/E, the criticism was of lack of paediatric trained nurse cover, lack of separate cubicles etc. There was also a much higher rate of patients giving up and going elsewhere rather than waiting. Are you suggesting this was just spin by the Labour PPC? If it were then it would have been easy for Circle to dispute. Instead they cut and run.
The smear is not by the inspection team, it is by the Daily Mail.
The 50% tax is good politics, but will make little or nothing, and if it looks like it will be around for a while might even cause a nett loss as people adjust their financial planning or relocate abroad.
The real point is these are all footling amounts, if Labour wants to not have to do so much austerity it needs to find tens of billions of pounds of tax rises, and do it without causing the sort of unintended consequences that tank the economy or drive business overseas. If they try it and screw it up, their economic model is toast.
There was a global recession, after which recovery started under Labour and was choked off by George Osborne.
My point was not particularly advocate it as a policy, but to point out that the Government has many levers other than spending.
But I think you are naive if you think people who are not paying for their housing will move without compulsion (why should they?). And the coalition faced massive criticism for doing something similar with their housing benefit caps
My point is about double standards, not housing policy.
I think it will be an issue around year 2 of government (just as the Tories will have an interesting time if they win and those tax cuts prove elusive), but doubt if most voters will follow Greek affairs closely or consider there's a parallel whether Syriza do well or not.
Choking growth off ? Compared to what ?
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/oct/24/uk-economic-growth-slows
Compared to inheritance from Labour;The 'I'm sorry there's no money left' inheritance?
How do voters rate the last 3 Chancellors?
Net 'did well' as Chancellor:
Osborne: -7
Darling: -19
Brown: -18
Sunday's YouGov......
The growth inheritance.
So the -0.3% in 2008 and -4.3% in 2009, that growth ?
Indigo, you are wasting your time.
DJ's posts this morning alone show why Labour remains unfit to govern, they still have not learnt from or accepted their failures and as such would just do the same thing over again. The 2010 position of growth was bought very expensively but unsustainable as Labour well knew.
It did give them something to chant for the next 5 years though. That along with tax cuts for millionaires after seeing their 50% tax level ( installed a few days before they left office) reduced yet still higher than Labours entire government since 1997, payments to EU against wishes of Parliament after the election but before Brown slithered out of office and claims of privatising the NHS when only a Labour minister has done so etc etc etc. All carefully planned minefields to be exploited and to further complicate the difficulties of anyone that followed. To Labour and the unions it's all about power more than anything else(like us) I did appreciate Brown saving us money by taking a 25% pay cut to the PM's salary right at the point he left No 10 after 3 years on the higher rate.
Don't ever forget the economy was in dire trouble as far back as 2003, warnings were already flooding in.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/11352350/Sale-of-new-pensioner-bonds-hugely-successful-says-George-Osborne.html
That NHS story looks highly dubious at first glance.
In F1 news: this is reported as a Honda victory, but it seems like they're still at a hefty disadvantage over the course of the season:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/30860212
They can develop their engine in-season, but not as much as everyone else (how much is currently unclear).
On-topic: good article, Mr. Herdson. I've thought for a while that the Greek result could have a significant impact here. Of course, they may well go (as other, better informed chaps here have suggested) for extend and pretend and it'll be surprisingly easy. We'll see.
If you have social housing sitting on expensive inner city land with people not wanting to move out, presumably there could be a process of building new new houses on the edge of town, condemning the city houses and selling off the land to developers, relocating the tenants to the new houses and using the money raised to pay for more houses on the edge of town, the difference in land prices should pay for the new houses, and probably more new houses than the old houses replaced.
Maybe not the most popular policy going, but those tenants aren't going to vote Tory anyway.
Can Labour still spend more. Well, it's a big envelope and the priorities will change. For example, most cuts have gone to local govt, but the funding formula was changed in 2010 so that areas of greater deprivation and social need have had and continue to have greater cuts. Knock on effect has been pressure on NHS because of cuts to social care etc. Hilary Benn confirmed this will be changed back. Same envelope- different priorities.
And are we doing well as an economy? I would suggest anyone who thinks that growing inequality and that 2/3 of new jobs are very low paid, zero hour contracts, that 9/10 of new businesses are self employed contractors and that the ONS predicts FALLING tax receipts should watch 'the super rich and you' on BBC iplayer. Inequality is the greatest challenge and it makes us do worse on every level (worst infant mortality in Europe - to the economy, as the IMF confirmed). Ed Miliband recognises this. The Tories font even acknowledge it.
If more is to be spent on the NHS, social care and local government, where will the cuts come?
Growing inequality is a symptom of globalisation, to which there appears no easy answer. Protectionism damages trade, making us poorer. Ramping up the minimum wage would decrease employment, hiking taxes prohibitively on the rich would drive them away (cf France).
Maybe tax breaks for firms that adopt a John Lewis approach would work.
Also, zero hour contracts aren't evil as a whole. Some are bad, but not all of them.
Inequality is not the greatest challenge. Fighting poverty is. A street full of paupers is very equal. A street where everyone can afford essentials but two of the homes are occupied by millionaires is very unequal. I know which street I would prefer.
Ed Miliband is a daft sod.
I am off to Haydock for some free hospitality paid for by my bookie presumably out of my losings!
Where David is right is that the majority of the population have no desire to do that or learn the lessons of our own failure. To that extent they are like the Syrzia voters who think that democracy means the right to vote to spend non existent money. In the real world how much there is to spend is not a matter of democratic choice expect in the very short term. But the time parameters of our politicians is now 16 weeks and falling. Who really cares what happens after that ?
Syriza?
Isn't that something to do with Syria?
Sorry, but politics in a country most know only from package holidays is completely unknown to about 95% of the population (99% of those I talk to).
And even the biggest shocks to the EU system that could result will be put down to left overs from the recession and nothing directly to do with the British Government from 2015 onwards.
I enjoy watching 'Pointless' on teatime TV. Very few of the contestants know anything about British politics, and only the odd smart arse knows the first thing about European politics.
Ed's love-in with Hollande went completely under the radar too.
The areas outside London seeming the fastest growth are where the state jobs have been cut, clearing the way for private enterprise to flourish. Councils are a remaining impediment - further cuts in non essential payroll will allow a second wave of growth. Bonus is reducing the future liabilities from fat cat pensions.
A couple of assumptions: a default is defined as either a change to debt terms (maturity or interest rate), or missing an interest or principal repayment.
And, when Venezuela defaults (because its tax base and economy are too dependent on oil, and all its debts are in US Dollars), will there be contagion to other "commodity" dependent Latin American countries, where the vast bulk of debts are US Dollar denominated - Ecuador, Mexico, and (most scarily) Brazil?
"We despair when Ofsted discovers another six private Islamic schools (in east London this time) where the sexes are segregated, children are taught only about sharia law and “not prepared for life in modern Britain”.
Breathtaking ignorance by the Telegraph writer of many religious schools. I suggest she visits the Hasidic schools of Hendon where not only iare the sexes segregated but they are not even allowed to be taught in the same building. As for not 'preparing them for life in modern Britain' the schools would empty if they promised to prepare their pupils for life in modern Britain'!
DJ's posts this morning alone show why Labour remains unfit to govern, they still have not learnt from or accepted their failures and as such would just do the same thing over again.
I confess this is my main worry for PM Ed - I am sure that he is a competent man, and practical constraints will prevent he and his team from launching ideas which would be a total disaster as some seem to fear, in fact within the policy of tweaking what is being done as I suspect it will be, it could be an improvement (or at least the natural improvement over time will begin to feel more apparent in any case). But given Labour seem to be heading for a win on the basis that the Tories and LDs have imploded (the Tories with their vote share not being as terrible, but their divisions and the rise of UKIP undermining them from winning seats they need to win and defending others they need to hold), Labour, headed by figures with a long history at the heart of the last government as much as they seem to like to forget that, will waltz back in after only 5 years and without having been forced into any kind of genuine self reflection. It's been a paint job and sticking to the basest and laziest attacks as I see it.
It's worked I think, I believe they will win most seats and possibly a small majority, but they could have won far more easily and actually been bolder these past five years, instead of staying in the comfort zone and relying on the irrationality of the 'Tories eat babies' section of voters and the Tories' own weaknesses to see them over the line.
Ed M seems a canny sort though, so I'm hoping he proves to be more creative than his tactics would suggest.
Mr. 1000, that's a very interesting point. I had no idea Brazil would be, potentially, in the firing line if that happened.
Venezuela will go first. The mewling eunuchs of Brussels are desperate for their fantasy of Euroland's utopia to struggle on.
The reason the population hasn't learned is because we do such a good job of insulating them from the consequences, we have so many absurdly generous safe nets that increasing numbers of people see being on benefit as a lifestyle choice.
If being on benefit is being seen as a realistic lifestyle choice then it means for a lot of people it much be approach the same sort of living standard they would get when employed. It therefore follows that if as a result of electing a group of idiots into government that crash the economy into the wall, a lot of people take in effect a fairly modest drop in their living standards for a while until they next job comes along. Mostly they stay in the same house, their children stay at the same school, everyone get the same health care, they have to trim back on foreign holidays and maybe cancel buying a new TV or updating the car that year. Yes there are a few cases where the effects the pretty unpleasant, but they are the tiny minority, and insignificant in voting terms.
So you get a load more people and fewer facilities... it is the route to madness
The one hospital left, Queens, has been in special measures, and recently my mates wife gave birth there while they were delivering babies in the toilets because overcrowding meant there was no room in the maternity ward
Still, at least it makes zones 1&2 look nice on the telly for overseas buyers... while we get the countries most expensive third world hospital
"Jas Athwal, leader of the Redbridge Labour party, described the news as an “absolute shock”.
He added: “Queen’s was built for 300,000 people in mind but now it has to cope with 800,000 - it is not right. "
http://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news/health/two_women_turned_away_from_queen_s_hospital_maternity_department_after_it_closes_for_four_hours_1_3630975
Labour voters overwhelmingly think the cuts have gone to far, and uniquely think tax rises won't fall on them.
Everyone else expects to have to pay.......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04yn2yq/the-superrich-and-us-episode-2
Then comment on inequality. Or on how easy it is for those at the bottom.
"Letting loose the lunatics wasn't the greatest of ideas
Giving them plans and money to squander
Should have been the worst of our fears
The dream life luxury living was a pleasant number 10 whim
But somewhere down the line of production
They left out human beings
They were gonna build communities
It was going to be pie in the sky
But the piss stench hallways and broken down lifts
Say the planners dream went wrong
If people were made to live in boxes
God would have given them string
To tie around their selves at bed time
And stop their dreams falling through the ceiling
And the public school boy computers
Keep spewing out our future
The house in the country designs the 14th floor
Old Mrs. Smith don't get out much more
Coitus interrupts 'cause of next doors rows
Your washing gets nicked when the lights go out
Baby's scream in the nightmare throng
But planners just get embarrassed when their plans go wrong!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMXNV4cKjK4
Pay them an exorbitant amount of money on a regular basis and they give you a bit of kickback now and then to keep you sweet
Use www.raceclear.co.uk to beat them
Have you read the report that I linked to? Do you think it acceptable that patients were listed as Do not Resucitate without this being discussed with the patient or being documented by the medical staff? Time was that the Daily Mail would have been outraged by that, now it is outraged that the CQC exposed it!
http://m.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11730885.Protests_over_prophet_picture/?ref=mr
I notice his lack of protest or comment over Charlie Hebdo when it was happening.
Missed it yesterday; reading it today.
Social Cleansing from East London to the outskirts has been going on for years and is one of the main reasons UKIP are favourites in Thurrock
I noted that you chose to ignore the fact that Labours economy was in serious trouble back as far as 2003 despite numerous warnings they continued.
It's also odd that people give no credit to the coalition on anything despite 24 months of solid improvements it are happy to champion some supposed plastic growth massaged by Labour . Even Christine Legarde of the IMF States this is a model economy, they wish. All economies were like this and we are an example to the world. On the other hand since 2003 IMF and others were warning Labour of the dangers of what they were doing finally withe statement after 13 years of Labour
"The UK is the least well prepared country to withstand the oncoming financial problems"
There was in effect "no money left"
Let's not hear anything more about this coalitions competence before looking at the last 13 years of Labour.
I should have gone on to say that you're right about the Labour mantra that spending is good, but when it goes wrong, it's always blamed on someone else. "The gnomes of Zurich" "it began in America" or the rich not paying their fair share of taxes.
When even Conservative politicians ignore the difference between debt and deficit, you can't expect a nuanced debate.
A good article for PB, but politics is the art of image, of superficiality.
Ed fails on both image and reality but the Labour brand is caring, so he will still try to excuse any failure as someone else's fault (and that's not restricted just to Labour).
In a discussion this week (Radio5L), someone complained that the fall in fuel prices was nothing to do with the government and therefore they shouldn't get any credit. The BBC presenter agreed. But what happens when fuel prices rise? So perhaps politicians are right to avoid complicated and accurate summaries.
http://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk/news/local/ed-miliband-admits-rotherham-child-abuse-victims-were-terribly-let-down-by-labour-representatives-1-7055963
I have no doubt he declared his political ambitions to the CQC.
Yes I did read the report - while some of it was objective (like the poor DNR processes) other parts were subjective - lets see what emerges with time.
I am sure we are all concerned about the patients.
The Labour PC tweeted his concern about the staff.......
You said that between gritted teeth.
Over one million new jobs created and Labour said yeah but they are part time, temporary contracts and zero hour contracts (as introduced by Labour of course) Theses are not real jobs they said.... Then someone looked and found 95% were full time and not as Labour stated or scaremongers do. That's before we see the falls in youth unemployment.
Circle could have disputed its accuracy if they wanted, but they did not do so. They walked away, leaving the NHS to pick up the pieces. Something that is not unusual with privatised services.
Indeed if you look at the CQC report on Leicester one of the main foci of criticism was the poor portering and catering provided by the private company with the contract. There is a theme emerging...
Spiked has a good editorial on how the accusation of Islamophobia has been used to suppress criticism of the barbaric practices of traditional Islam:
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/je-suis-charlie-then-challenge-the-islamophobia-industry/16455#.VLooIMlFDqA
"Galloway marching to protest defamation of his prophet"
I applaud his drawing attention the the hypocricy and double standards in the Charlie Hebdo affair. Britain marching arm in arm with the Saudis who everyone with any knowledge of the region knows is the most most mysoginystic country on the planet. What's more had these cartoons appeared as fliers in Riyadh the cartoonist would amost certainly have been publically executed.
This morning Indigo linked to an article about te pernicious effects of Islam in the UK castigating segregated classrooms found in six east London schools. Well the fastest growing religious sect is the Hasidim who are not permitted any contact with the opposite sex let alone to share a classroom with them. What's more all their marriages are 'arranged'. So what?
It's nothing short of blind prejudice which owes more to the 'foreignness' of most Muslims rather than their religious practices and I applaud Galloway for pointing it out.
Consumers are being denied energy price cuts of as much as £130 a year because of Ed Miliband’s price freeze proposal, experts have claimed.
Energy companies are failing to pass on the full falls in wholesale prices because they are afraid they will not be able to cover their costs if prices rise again under a Labour Government, industry analysts say.
Companies should be able to afford to cut prices by "a double-figures percentage", Ann Robinson of price comparison site uswitch said, with average gas and electricity bills currently about £1,300 a year.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/11351710/Labour-energy-price-freeze-preventing-130-bill-cuts.html
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/05/ed-balls-labour-refuses-commit-ending-squeeze-public-sector-pay
So nul points for accuracy Indigo!
I agree Roger, those Hasidim want to force us to do the same, under penalty of death, don't they? Do what we demand or die.Entirely reasonable in the circumstances.
I have respect for religious observance. I don't have respect for forced subservience. Can you not see the difference?
“We believe the report was unbalanced and does not reflect the hospital.”
http://www.huntspost.co.uk/news/update_hinchingbrooke_hospital_in_huntingdon_to_challenge_damning_cqc_report_1_3915729
Dont you think we should be even a little upset about being the FGM capital of Europe, to the extent that little girls are being brought here in a kind of reverse health tourism to have it done to them. Or is the rights of that minority not to be offended and interfered with by our laws more important. Funnily enough when asked with an FoI what the total arrest numbers were the Met Police rejected the request on the basis that is was too expensive to find out! But the number of arrests is a small handful and the number of prosecutions would have been even easier to count, since its zero.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing.
In Leicester Interserve (the outsourced company) instantly wanted to force all the portering and catering staff onto Zero hours contracts, a good number handed in their notice. Real dedication to quality there...
It'll be 'GOTV' next.......
People are buying their council flat and selling it for upto nearly a million pond profit the next day.. or renting it for 4 times the council rate
Hmm I wonder if criminals/dodgy companies are circling round these council tenents like vultures???
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30541014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2905827/The-tenants-benefits-buying-council-house-one-five-applicants-receive-handouts.html