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These figures are quite a bit lower than the normal shares for the purples that we see. This is because they are confined to 2010 main party voters only. Balance of support came from OTH or “did not vote”.
Please, please, please acknowledge that the "others" that aren't included, include 2010 Kippers when you reference these figures.. you never do, and it makes such a big difference
They are probably going to surge more if today's "spats" are typical of the election campaign. People HATE relentless negative campaigning from politicians.
It's not so much a 'split the left' strategy as an 'expose Labour as a load of charlatans who want to have their cake and eat it' strategy.
The danger is that negative campaigning by the main parties might drive voters to NOTA -- which is normally harmless but in 2015 means the SNP, UKIP and the Greens.
Agreed. I've been banging on for months that this is the Tories' only chance of winning: they're not going to gain (m)any new voters themselves, so their only hope is to try to get Labour to continue to leech off voters to UKIP, the Greens and SNP. And unfortuantely, Labour still haven't learnt not to fall into the Tories' traps, and have obliged by yet again pissing off their many anti-austerity voters while not reassuring the (smaller number of) people who do want yet more spending cuts.
The danger is that negative campaigning by the main parties might drive voters to NOTA -- which is normally harmless but in 2015 means the SNP, UKIP and the Greens.
Is it really negative campaigning??
I'd call it policy scrutiny. And I reckon people would quite like a bit of that.
I note that the Conservatives have started their election campaign by attacking Labour's lack of commitment to cuts and suggesting that they won't keep the deficit under control. Well knock me down with a feather.
I see the surface logic of "split the left", but in reality I suspect that - outside Scotland - this will be another Osbo cunning plan that ends up misfiring.
The underlying assumption is that Green-leaning voters will have no preference between an austerity-inclined Lab and an austerity-inclined Con. This is hugely mistaken.
OGH posted earlier about the impact of tactical voting at GE2015. This will be especially true of the Greens, who will pile up support in safe Conservative seats ("why not vote Green?"). But in Con/Lab marginals, Green votes will go straight to Labour, aided by all the bar charts Labour can produce.
Scotland is a different kettle of fish because most of the battlegrounds are Lab/SNP. But if Osbo's main achievement is to ensure GE2015 results in a Lab/SNP coalition rather than a Lab majority, he won't have done very well.
The danger is that negative campaigning by the main parties might drive voters to NOTA -- which is normally harmless but in 2015 means the SNP, UKIP and the Greens.
Is it really negative campaigning??
I'd call it policy scrutiny. And I reckon people would quite like a bit of that.
Labour don't want scrutiny . Their policies are so flimsy that the only shot in their locker is to have politics tarred with the "they are all as bad as each other" brush. Hence howling down those who raise valid questions at a campaign launch.
Agreed. I've been banging on for months that this is the Tories' only chance of winning: they're not going to gain (m)any new voters themselves, so their only hope is to try to get Labour to continue to leech off voters to UKIP, the Greens and SNP. And unfortuantely, Labour still haven't learnt not to fall into the Tories' traps, and have obliged by yet again pissing off their many anti-austerity voters while not reassuring the (smaller number of) people who do want yet more spending cuts.
It's not a Tory trap, though, is it? It's a trap Labour have set for themselves. Going right back to the risible 'Tory cuts vs Labour investment', via 'Too far too fast' and stridently criticising virtually every measure to save money, they've been trying simultaneously to say they'll increase spending (or at least cut it far less than the Conservatives) and to say they are financially prudent at a time when money is scarce. At times they've even had the gall to criticise Osborne for not cutting spending fast enough. The Conservatives are merely pointing out that they can't have it both ways; it's a trap Labour have dug for themselves, and the root cause is that they have been dishonest all along by denying the simple arithmetic of the public finances.
I don't think anyone will pay any attention to nit-picking about this or that policy commitment.
Only something big and bold will have any effect e.g. Labour will tax your house or the Tories will make you pay to go to hospital will get through. The 1992 tax bombshell campaign was quite effective on that score. I haven't seen the equivalent yet - from either side.
And on all the current polls, Labour will end up in government.
I just received an email from George Osborne. A reasonably nicely balanced bit of trumpet blowing and scaremongering. It ends with:
The choice at the next election is clear. Continue on the road to a stronger economy with a competent Conservative team that have a long-term plan. Or choose the chaos of Labour's £20.7 billion unfunded spending promises, higher taxes and more borrowing which would take us back to square one.
I agree - but remain to be convinced everyone else does. He's playing the left brain/common sense/logic card. But Labour is playing the NHS religion /left brain/Joseph Goebbels playbook card.
As the irreplaceable George Carlin once said: “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” Labour know this.
SNP on 51 seats ? Are they asking secret Canadians ?
They don't think UKIP will take Boston and Skeggy either.
Though intriguingly it seems that they think that Norwich South will go Green.
Did you manage to get more than tuppence ha'penny on the Greens there at 25-1 ?
It was a Paddy Power bet, so sadly not. But if it comes in, it would be good for bragging rights.
It pales into insignificance though when compared with my 250/1 bet on UKIP in Blackpool North & Cleveleys with Stan James. They allowed me even fewer pennies, but still...
SNP on 51 seats ? Are they asking secret Canadians ?
They don't think UKIP will take Boston and Skeggy either.
Though intriguingly it seems that they think that Norwich South will go Green.
Did you manage to get more than tuppence ha'penny on the Greens there at 25-1 ?
It was a Paddy Power bet, so sadly not. But if it comes in, it would be good for bragging rights.
It pales into insignificance though when compared with my 250/1 bet on UKIP in Blackpool North & Cleveleys with Stan James. They allowed me even fewer pennies, but still...
How on earth do you still have an account with Stan James?
SNP on 51 seats ? Are they asking secret Canadians ?
They don't think UKIP will take Boston and Skeggy either.
Though intriguingly it seems that they think that Norwich South will go Green.
Did you manage to get more than tuppence ha'penny on the Greens there at 25-1 ?
It was a Paddy Power bet, so sadly not. But if it comes in, it would be good for bragging rights.
It pales into insignificance though when compared with my 250/1 bet on UKIP in Blackpool North & Cleveleys with Stan James. They allowed me even fewer pennies, but still...
How on earth do you still have an account with Stan James?
Largely by not placing many bets with them, I think.
I just received an email from George Osborne. A reasonably nicely balanced bit of trumpet blowing and scaremongering. It ends with:
The choice at the next election is clear. Continue on the road to a stronger economy with a competent Conservative team that have a long-term plan. Or choose the chaos of Labour's £20.7 billion unfunded spending promises, higher taxes and more borrowing which would take us back to square one.
I agree - but remain to be convinced everyone else does. He's playing the left brain/common sense/logic card. But Labour is playing the NHS religion /left brain/Joseph Goebbels playbook card.
As the irreplaceable George Carlin once said: “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” Labour know this.
I just received an email from George Osborne. A reasonably nicely balanced bit of trumpet blowing and scaremongering. It ends with:
The choice at the next election is clear. Continue on the road to a stronger economy with a competent Conservative team that have a long-term plan. Or choose the chaos of Labour's £20.7 billion unfunded spending promises, higher taxes and more borrowing which would take us back to square one.
I agree - but remain to be convinced everyone else does. He's playing the left brain/common sense/logic card. But Labour is playing the NHS religion /left brain/Joseph Goebbels playbook card.
As the irreplaceable George Carlin once said: “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” Labour know this.
Isn't the obvious answer for the Tories to say that Labour means YOU will pay HIGHER taxes i.e. make it personal.
Interesting reading the tables of the populus on where the UKIP vote is coming from on 2010 votes, only 2 % of Labour's and 6% of the Lib Dem's 2010 vote. Not sure I buy that.
SNP on 51 seats ? Are they asking secret Canadians ?
They don't think UKIP will take Boston and Skeggy either.
Though intriguingly it seems that they think that Norwich South will go Green.
Did you manage to get more than tuppence ha'penny on the Greens there at 25-1 ?
It was a Paddy Power bet, so sadly not. But if it comes in, it would be good for bragging rights.
It pales into insignificance though when compared with my 250/1 bet on UKIP in Blackpool North & Cleveleys with Stan James. They allowed me even fewer pennies, but still...
How on earth do you still have an account with Stan James?
Largely by not placing many bets with them, I think.
They culled my account after less than a dozen bets, because their terms and conditions allow them to do so if they suspect you're arbing.
I think even Labour would struggle to find an example where they have been shown to be so comprehensively and catastrophically wrong in such a brief period. Maybe over longer time scales but less than 4 months?
Despite having economic forecasting abilities that make Gordon Brown look good the SNP are riding high in the polls. It is hard to imagine the panic and misery that we would currently be going through if the people of Scotland were not so sensible. Certainly the first budget for an independent Scotland would have involved cuts that would make Osborne's eyes water and genuine hardship. These people should be ashamed of themselves.
I think even Labour would struggle to find an example where they have been shown to be so comprehensively and catastrophically wrong in such a brief period. Maybe over longer time scales but less than 4 months?
Despite having economic forecasting abilities that make Gordon Brown look good the SNP are riding high in the polls. It is hard to imagine the panic and misery that we would currently be going through if the people of Scotland were not so sensible. Certainly the first budget for an independent Scotland would have involved cuts that would make Osborne's eyes water and genuine hardship. These people should be ashamed of themselves.
Ali Darling being half a trillion pounds out on his spending forecasts between his 2008 and 2009 budgets must be close.
Interesting reading the tables of the populus on where the UKIP vote is coming from on 2010 votes, only 2 % of Labour's and 6% of the Lib Dem's 2010 vote. Not sure I buy that.
Populus tends to find lower figures for UKIP than other pollsters, due to its weightings.
SNP on 51 seats ? Are they asking secret Canadians ?
They don't think UKIP will take Boston and Skeggy either.
Though intriguingly it seems that they think that Norwich South will go Green.
Which is not going to happen.
I tend to agree with you. But it's always fun to see a long shot bet shorten markedly.
Equally as fun is speculating about how low the Lib Dems might sink there having won last time out. 4th?
The poll by Lord Ashcroft had them in fifth behind UKIP. Incidentally, UKIP are 66/1 in that seat with Ladbrokes and I don't see that as a completely silly bet either. In a five way battle, they don't need to get much of a vote share to win, even if the seat demographics are generally pretty poor for them.
I think even Labour would struggle to find an example where they have been shown to be so comprehensively and catastrophically wrong in such a brief period. Maybe over longer time scales but less than 4 months?
Despite having economic forecasting abilities that make Gordon Brown look good the SNP are riding high in the polls. It is hard to imagine the panic and misery that we would currently be going through if the people of Scotland were not so sensible. Certainly the first budget for an independent Scotland would have involved cuts that would make Osborne's eyes water and genuine hardship. These people should be ashamed of themselves.
They just want a smaller pond so they personally can be (comparatively) bigger fish. They couldn't give a toss about the other fish, or the pond.
It's not like Lenin was ashamed of himself for having created the Soviet Union. Likewise, Labour doesn't apologise for keeping people poor so they'll keep voting Labour.
It was never about benefiting the proles. It's all about what's best for the party.
If those UKElect guys and gals are right, there is the agreeable prospect of some juicy 50/1 and even longer-odds bets coming good in Scotland.
The £10 I had on the SNP in Dunbartonshire East looks like it may be a better bet than the £200 I had on 1-2 on Labour there. Seems counter-intuitive that you'd want a £200 wager to lose and a £10 one to win.... but that is betting.
I think even Labour would struggle to find an example where they have been shown to be so comprehensively and catastrophically wrong in such a brief period. Maybe over longer time scales but less than 4 months?
Despite having economic forecasting abilities that make Gordon Brown look good the SNP are riding high in the polls. It is hard to imagine the panic and misery that we would currently be going through if the people of Scotland were not so sensible. Certainly the first budget for an independent Scotland would have involved cuts that would make Osborne's eyes water and genuine hardship. These people should be ashamed of themselves.
If this oil price crash had happened 6 months prior, I wonder what the results would have been.
Oh, mustn't forget the customary "you'll rue the day"
Interesting reading the tables of the populus on where the UKIP vote is coming from on 2010 votes, only 2 % of Labour's and 6% of the Lib Dem's 2010 vote. Not sure I buy that.
Populus tends to find lower figures for UKIP than other pollsters, due to its weightings.
Not a great poll that for UKIP actually, they are below the 300 respondents line which is the first thing I look for in the Populus tables for them.
I think even Labour would struggle to find an example where they have been shown to be so comprehensively and catastrophically wrong in such a brief period. Maybe over longer time scales but less than 4 months?
Despite having economic forecasting abilities that make Gordon Brown look good the SNP are riding high in the polls. It is hard to imagine the panic and misery that we would currently be going through if the people of Scotland were not so sensible. Certainly the first budget for an independent Scotland would have involved cuts that would make Osborne's eyes water and genuine hardship. These people should be ashamed of themselves.
I see the Tories still cannot get out of the past. No policies , no MP's or MSP's but they can console themselves that oil has dropped in price and in their fantasy independent Scotland we are skint.
SNP on 51 seats ? Are they asking secret Canadians ?
They don't think UKIP will take Boston and Skeggy either.
Though intriguingly it seems that they think that Norwich South will go Green.
Which is not going to happen.
I tend to agree with you. But it's always fun to see a long shot bet shorten markedly.
Equally as fun is speculating about how low the Lib Dems might sink there having won last time out. 4th?
The poll by Lord Ashcroft had them in fifth behind UKIP. Incidentally, UKIP are 66/1 in that seat with Ladbrokes and I don't see that as a completely silly bet either. In a five way battle, they don't need to get much of a vote share to win, even if the seat demographics are generally pretty poor for them.
If UKIP win in Norwich South then prepare for PM Farage.
SNP on 51 seats ? Are they asking secret Canadians ?
They don't think UKIP will take Boston and Skeggy either.
Though intriguingly it seems that they think that Norwich South will go Green.
Which is not going to happen.
I tend to agree with you. But it's always fun to see a long shot bet shorten markedly.
Equally as fun is speculating about how low the Lib Dems might sink there having won last time out. 4th?
The poll by Lord Ashcroft had them in fifth behind UKIP. Incidentally, UKIP are 66/1 in that seat with Ladbrokes and I don't see that as a completely silly bet either. In a five way battle, they don't need to get much of a vote share to win, even if the seat demographics are generally pretty poor for them.
If UKIP win in Norwich South then prepare for PM Farage.
I have only one thing to say to that.
How easy is it to emigrate to Ireland and become a citizen?
It's "Whatever you say plus one" from children's arguments (they promised something similar on spending more than whatever the evil Tories would spend).
It also puts them in the absurd position of having another party dictate their own policy.
SNP on 51 seats ? Are they asking secret Canadians ?
They don't think UKIP will take Boston and Skeggy either.
Though intriguingly it seems that they think that Norwich South will go Green.
Which is not going to happen.
I tend to agree with you. But it's always fun to see a long shot bet shorten markedly.
Equally as fun is speculating about how low the Lib Dems might sink there having won last time out. 4th?
The poll by Lord Ashcroft had them in fifth behind UKIP. Incidentally, UKIP are 66/1 in that seat with Ladbrokes and I don't see that as a completely silly bet either. In a five way battle, they don't need to get much of a vote share to win, even if the seat demographics are generally pretty poor for them.
If UKIP win in Norwich South then prepare for PM Farage.
I have only one thing to say to that.
How easy is it to emigrate to Ireland and become a citizen?
The Irish would never let you in TSE, they can tell a foreigner a mile off.
If those UKElect guys and gals are right, there is the agreeable prospect of some juicy 50/1 and even longer-odds bets coming good in Scotland.
The £10 I had on the SNP in Dunbartonshire East looks like it may be a better bet than the £200 I had on 1-2 on Labour there. Seems counter-intuitive that you'd want a £200 wager to lose and a £10 one to win.... but that is betting.
Make sure you cover the Lib Dems in East Dumbartonshire. The demographics are not particularly SNP friendly and the LD's could well hold on.
Presumably that's "we" in the traditional Labour sense of "you", or more specifically, "I".
Why don't they change their logo to a big red hand held out for other people's money? The moral incompetence would still be there but the honesty, from Tony Blair's party, would be refreshing.
Scottish election campaign: Vote SNP and get a free unicorn! Vote Labour to receive a unicorn AND a pony!
the good news malcolm is that with oil at $50, the cost of lubricant is down, so it will cost you less money to make it hurt a bit less when the SNP smashes Scotland up its collective ginger-fluffed tartan chanter stock* next year.
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UKIP might have fizzled out if there hadn't been any defections ?
Tsk .....
This Tory shall sleep easier tonight.......
Is it really negative campaigning??
I'd call it policy scrutiny. And I reckon people would quite like a bit of that.
The underlying assumption is that Green-leaning voters will have no preference between an austerity-inclined Lab and an austerity-inclined Con. This is hugely mistaken.
OGH posted earlier about the impact of tactical voting at GE2015. This will be especially true of the Greens, who will pile up support in safe Conservative seats ("why not vote Green?"). But in Con/Lab marginals, Green votes will go straight to Labour, aided by all the bar charts Labour can produce.
Scotland is a different kettle of fish because most of the battlegrounds are Lab/SNP. But if Osbo's main achievement is to ensure GE2015 results in a Lab/SNP coalition rather than a Lab majority, he won't have done very well.
It will end very badly for them though.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30682983
Speaking to @ShelaghFogarty Sir Ming Campbell predicts that the upcoming election "is going to be a dirty campaign."
Well we know it will by TSE shouting "Vote Tory!" on each post, and you can't get dirtier than that.
Guido Fawkes @GuidoFawkes 1m1 minute ago
Ed Balls on Russell Brand: "a pound shop Ben Elton".
Only something big and bold will have any effect e.g. Labour will tax your house or the Tories will make you pay to go to hospital will get through. The 1992 tax bombshell campaign was quite effective on that score. I haven't seen the equivalent yet - from either side.
And on all the current polls, Labour will end up in government.
On Norwich related matters, your manager has quit.
The choice at the next election is clear.
Continue on the road to a stronger economy with a competent Conservative team that have a long-term plan.
Or choose the chaos of Labour's £20.7 billion unfunded spending promises, higher taxes and more borrowing which would take us back to square one.
I agree - but remain to be convinced everyone else does. He's playing the left brain/common sense/logic card. But Labour is playing the NHS religion /left brain/Joseph Goebbels playbook card.
As the irreplaceable George Carlin once said: “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” Labour know this.
It pales into insignificance though when compared with my 250/1 bet on UKIP in Blackpool North & Cleveleys with Stan James. They allowed me even fewer pennies, but still...
http://order-order.com/2015/01/05/social-media-sentiment-is-a-myth-just-ask-alex-salmond/
http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/09/24/the-limits-of-private-polling/
The Tories have nothing to boast about on the economy. And it shows.
As Guido says "naive at best.."
Even though I hadn't arbed.
Absolute bloody Charlatans.
Which Labour SPAD thought it was a good idea to label the Tory dossier, "dodgy"
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/05/labour-tory-dodgy-dossier-spending-commitments
I think even Labour would struggle to find an example where they have been shown to be so comprehensively and catastrophically wrong in such a brief period. Maybe over longer time scales but less than 4 months?
Despite having economic forecasting abilities that make Gordon Brown look good the SNP are riding high in the polls. It is hard to imagine the panic and misery that we would currently be going through if the people of Scotland were not so sensible. Certainly the first budget for an independent Scotland would have involved cuts that would make Osborne's eyes water and genuine hardship. These people should be ashamed of themselves.
0-5 seats - 125/1 down to 8/1
6-10 seats - 66/1 down to 5/1
11-15 seats - 20/1 down to 5/1
It's not like Lenin was ashamed of himself for having created the Soviet Union. Likewise, Labour doesn't apologise for keeping people poor so they'll keep voting Labour.
It was never about benefiting the proles. It's all about what's best for the party.
The SNP is surely riding high because it represents the best chance of screwing the best deal for Scotland out of the English.
None of the others will ever put Scottish voters first.
Oh, mustn't forget the customary "you'll rue the day"
Or the full results of their postal primary in Rochester, for that matter.
https://twitter.com/scottishlabour/status/552067774995234816
PS and that is on top of sticking to the Tory spending budget.
Without the French at the Battle of Yorktown, Americans would be singing God Save The Queen before baseball games.
How easy is it to emigrate to Ireland and become a citizen?
It's "Whatever you say plus one" from children's arguments (they promised something similar on spending more than whatever the evil Tories would spend).
It also puts them in the absurd position of having another party dictate their own policy.
It's a weird constituency.
Presumably that's "we" in the traditional Labour sense of "you", or more specifically, "I".
Why don't they change their logo to a big red hand held out for other people's money? The moral incompetence would still be there but the honesty, from Tony Blair's party, would be refreshing.
Labour = fiscal incontinence
Conservatives = fiscal incontinence and cash back
My god.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/30681394
the arse of prosperity indeed.
* that's a bagpipe part BTW. don't mention it
Please let that be the case. I'm not a particular fan of SLAB, I just dont want to witness politics being reduced to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0j5GOlC9VA