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    isam said:

    isam said:

    antifrank said:

    Off topic:

    Others may have seen this ages ago, but I have only just come across it:

    http://www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/HTMLDocs/dvc174/index.html

    The ONS have put together a map of parliamentary constituencies and how they vary by different data variables. Some of them, eg "non-white population", give a very good illustration of the difference between the mean and the median.

    Isn't that why people who smugly sneer at the "idiots" who overestimate the number of immigants/muslims/non white people aren't really being as clever as they think?

    If you live in and around London and have barely been to the more rural parts of the country and are asked that question, you are quite understandably going to expect a higher amount. I would think that would be the case for immigrants/muslims/non white people living in London who answered the question as well
    Ilford North is ranked #31. Our neighbours in Ilford South are ranked #2! And across the Roding, East Ham take the #1 spot!
    Where are the rankings?

    EDIT: Sorry I have seen, H&U is #208

    What are your thoughts on people calling the A12 the Eastern Avenue?
    Yep I live not far from the A12, it's called the Eastern Avenue between Wanstead and Gallows Corner.
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    No, Mark is right. It's due to the increase in employment swelling the ranks of the low paid who incur little or no tax.

    They pay even less tax if they're unemployed, surely?
    Of course.

    The Government simply overestimated the amount of tax that the employed, or newly employed, would be paying. It suggests that the reduction in unemployment has been due to the creation of lots of low paid jobs rather than a smaller amount of well-paid ones.

    I'm not making any political point here. And if I were, I think I would be saying 'that's good, because a lot of low-paid jobs is generally better than a few high paid ones'. I was just explaining the fact that tax receipts had come in lower than anticipated because the decrease in unemployment wasn't level across the board but instead was weighted towards the lower-paid end of the spectrum.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Well well, 24 hours on and the headlines aren't looking so good.

    I think this could have some impact. I genuinely think people are unaware that the Tories are planning yet more spending cuts, and believe me they will NOT be happy about it. People feel they've suffered enough and done all the hard work (while the rich have got off scot-free), and there are no tales of Greek debt nightmares filling the news which the Tories can point to to say "see, that's what will happen if we don't Do Something".

    The big question is whether this will benefit Labour. I'm pretty sceptical of whether Ed Balls's doublespeak of "the Tories are evil and they're going to clobber public services and people, but even so Labour are going to commit to all their policies anyway" will convince many people. The most that might happen is it might drive more people from the Tories to UKIP.
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    DavidL said:

    It is startling, having googled the shadow cabinet, how hard it is to identify even a nominee in that category. Ed Miliband is useless, that is beyond doubt, but would any leader not struggle with so little to work with?

    At a push I would tend towards Andy Burnham. He has not been great or especially loyal but he seemed to do a good job with the Hillsborough inquiry this year and he has stirred the pot adequately with NHS stories, even if he has struggled rather more against Hunt than the hapless Lansley. If there had only been a decent winter flu crisis he would have been a shoo in. This damned global warning!

    Edit. Gosh, antifrank has expressed the same opinion, I might be on to something.

    The Hillsborough inquiry was hardly impartial and not this year, I would not agree that was a good job, far from it, Burnham is a complete liability even in this shadow cabinet he has to be ranked last. Hunt has no problems dealing with him at all.

    Best Shadow cabinet member is Ummuna by a street, he is the go to man when Labour are in a sticky position on any subject.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    @Danny565

    Are they the same rich that are getting clobbered with higher stamp duty and the profit shifting tax?
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Socrates said:

    @Danny565

    Are they the same rich that are getting clobbered with higher stamp duty and the profit shifting tax?

    Boo hoo. I'm sure they can cope with the tiny dent that's made in their salaries that have swelled so much since 2010, during which time everyone else's salaries have been frozen.
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400

    No, Mark is right. It's due to the increase in employment swelling the ranks of the low paid who incur little or no tax.

    They pay even less tax if they're unemployed, surely?
    It suggests that the reduction in unemployment has been due to the creation of lots of low paid jobs rather than a smaller amount of well-paid ones.

    It doesn't have to even be the creation of lots of low quality jobs either. If those retiring were being paid more than those replacing them, then for an identical quality of job, the tax take will be less.

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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited December 2014
    Most of the press are having a go at BBC bias.

    Nobody is listening to what Miliballs and the like think.
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    JonathanD said:

    No, Mark is right. It's due to the increase in employment swelling the ranks of the low paid who incur little or no tax.

    They pay even less tax if they're unemployed, surely?
    It suggests that the reduction in unemployment has been due to the creation of lots of low paid jobs rather than a smaller amount of well-paid ones.

    It doesn't have to even be the creation of lots of low quality jobs either. If those retiring were being paid more than those replacing them, then for an identical quality of job, the tax take will be less.

    If you look at graph number 8 in The Spectator link below you see the breakdown of new jobs: full-time, part-time, self-employed etc.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/12/george-osbornes-autumn-statement-in-six-graphs/
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    Mr. Eagles, they backtracked on the anonymity for those accused of rape, which is a shame as an allegation alone can blight a life.

    Rapists would not have enjoyed anonymity, as those convicted would, I believe, have been named.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    OT I'm after some recommendations re Classical music up to an including the Baroque period. I'm rather fond of Baroque and Elizabethan ditties - but my knowledge before/otherwise is very ropey.

    Anything spring to mind? I detest opera singing so anything other than that. Any instrument is fine.
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    Mr. Eagles, they backtracked on the anonymity for those accused of rape, which is a shame as an allegation alone can blight a life.

    Rapists would not have enjoyed anonymity, as those convicted would, I believe, have been named.

    Sky Sports News are reporting the bookies have stopped taking bets on Button being at McLaren next season.
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    BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    The Tories really have some chutzpah complaining about BBC bias after the BBC's constant propaganda about how cuts are necessary over the past 4 years, completely ignoring the left-wing viewpoint.
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Plato said:

    OT I'm after some recommendations re Classical music up to an including the Baroque period. I'm rather fond of Baroque and Elizabethan ditties - but my knowledge before/otherwise is very ropey.

    Anything spring to mind? I detest opera singing so anything other than that. Any instrument is fine.

    Victoria, Palestrina. Church choral music.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomás_Luis_de_Victoria

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Pierluigi_da_Palestrina
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited December 2014
    A neighbour of mine has been accused of rape by his ex-girlfriend. She's menacing him and threatened to kill him - I can't tell if she's drunk, stoned or really pissed off. I've called the coppers 5x about her as she's frightening other local residents. I strongly suspect she's making it up given I've seen her behaviour over several months.

    It didn't stop her ex being arrested by a dozen plodsters at midnight and carted off in a van. I'd say he was a victim of her domestic abuse. Thankfully she was finally arrested on Wed morning after her death threats and I gave a statement to the cops about her behaviour. My neighbour is so scared of her that he's staying with his mother - he's 30yrs old.

    I'm hoping that she'll cool down as in the same sentence she professes undying love then calls him a rapist. He shouldn't be named if charged - I don't particularly like him, but he has my complete sympathy at having this horror on his hands.

    Mr. Eagles, they backtracked on the anonymity for those accused of rape, which is a shame as an allegation alone can blight a life.

    Rapists would not have enjoyed anonymity, as those convicted would, I believe, have been named.

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    Danny565 said:

    The Tories really have some chutzpah complaining about BBC bias after the BBC's constant propaganda about how cuts are necessary over the past 4 years, completely ignoring the left-wing viewpoint.

    Behave, the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation are anti Tory, always have been, always will be.

    Is soaked to the rafters with Pinkoes.

    Just look at the way the BBC smeared Lord McAlpine because he was a former Tory treasurer.
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    Plato said:

    OT I'm after some recommendations re Classical music up to an including the Baroque period. I'm rather fond of Baroque and Elizabethan ditties - but my knowledge before/otherwise is very ropey.

    Anything spring to mind? I detest opera singing so anything other than that. Any instrument is fine.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque_music
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Fab. Will give them a go.

    Plato said:

    OT I'm after some recommendations re Classical music up to an including the Baroque period. I'm rather fond of Baroque and Elizabethan ditties - but my knowledge before/otherwise is very ropey.

    Anything spring to mind? I detest opera singing so anything other than that. Any instrument is fine.

    Victoria, Palestrina. Church choral music.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomás_Luis_de_Victoria

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Pierluigi_da_Palestrina
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    Danny565 said:

    I genuinely think people are unaware that the Tories are planning yet more spending cuts,

    Really?

    Anyone can see more cuts are necessary (let's not forget cuts are only in some areas - total govt spending has not been cut in any year this parliament).

    The deficit is still scarily high, the country is living way beyond its means. No party is yet being anywhere near honest enough about what this means in practical terms, still less having a decent informed debate about what to do to remedy it, but to suggest that people are not expecting any more cuts is surely absurd.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Danny565 said:

    The Tories really have some chutzpah complaining about BBC bias after the BBC's constant propaganda about how cuts are necessary over the past 4 years, completely ignoring the left-wing viewpoint.

    Behave, the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation are anti Tory, always have been, always will be.

    Is soaked to the rafters with Pinkoes.

    Just look at the way the BBC smeared Lord McAlpine because he was a former Tory treasurer.
    They might be anti-Tory as a party, but they're still very much on the right economically (albeit they're socially liberal and pro-Europe at the same time). Virtually all their economic reports have all been predicated on the dubious assumption that massive spending cuts are necessary. You even get more balanced coverage in that hotbed of socialism the United States.

    The BBC feels to me like it's run by Cleggite Lib Dems or some of the most annoying Blairites: rich people who don't really care about the poor and don't want to pay high taxes themselves, but still want to feel morally superior to the dastardly Tories at the same time. They try to have their cake and eat it.
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    EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Afternoon all. I missed the key political event yesterday. Not the Autumn Statement. The latest Jack's ARSE. I couldn't readily find it so can some kind soul tell me what it's prediction was beyond Ed Miliband will never be PM.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Indigo said:

    Ed Balls is far more qualified in economics than George Osborne. Balls graduated with a first in PPE from Oxford, ahead of Cameron? George just managed a second class degree in Modern History, how does that qualify him to be chancellor?

    That's not a great comparison for a Labourite to make, do you recall the qualifications of Mr James Gordon Brown, your sainted Iron Chancellor and Savior of the Universe ? That's right, a degree in History from University of Edinburgh.
    Oh dear, metropolitan snobbery gets everywhere nowadays.
    If Edinburgh was good enough for Darwin, Hume, Maxwell, Adam Smith, Simpson, RLS, Conan Doyle etc...

    Unaccustomed as I am to defending Broon, he started his degree at 16 and was apparently offered a place at Oxford.

    'Brown was apparently offered a place at Oxford but made the choice to go to north of the border instead. As The Telegraph’s Alan Cochrane writes in his Scottish referendum diaries, Brown confided in him, ‘I wish now that I had gone. I think I missed something by not going.’
    Well, as Cochrane pointed out to Brown at the time, he made it to Prime Minister anyway, overcoming the Oxbridge dominance at the top of government.'

    http://tinyurl.com/osa4q55
    And also - I may be wrong - but I think that degree in history is in fact a Ph.D?
    Indeed it was, but that makes him no more "qualified" to run the economy that Osborne. Our leftie friend Rosie was indignantly asking why we had someone with a history qualification as chancellor, and I was explaining that Brown had more or less the same qualification but lefties seemed happy with him being chancellor.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Thanx - I'm rather fond of Baroque architecture too in all its twiddly excess!

    Plato said:

    OT I'm after some recommendations re Classical music up to an including the Baroque period. I'm rather fond of Baroque and Elizabethan ditties - but my knowledge before/otherwise is very ropey.

    Anything spring to mind? I detest opera singing so anything other than that. Any instrument is fine.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque_music
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193
    Plato said:

    OT I'm after some recommendations re Classical music up to an including the Baroque period. I'm rather fond of Baroque and Elizabethan ditties - but my knowledge before/otherwise is very ropey.

    Anything spring to mind? I detest opera singing so anything other than that. Any instrument is fine.

    If you want to go back to the mid 12th Century, then the works of Hildegard von Bingen are exceptional. I often write with it on low in the background.

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    Mr. Eagles, mildly surprised by that.

    Miss Plato, indeed, it's that sort of nonsense which means the proposed reform would've been a good thing. The heart was willing but the politicians lacked the backbone necessary.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    Ed Balls is far more qualified in economics than George Osborne. Balls graduated with a first in PPE from Oxford, ahead of Cameron? George just managed a second class degree in Modern History, how does that qualify him to be chancellor?

    That's not a great comparison for a Labourite to make, do you recall the qualifications of Mr James Gordon Brown, your sainted Iron Chancellor and Savior of the Universe ? That's right, a degree in History from University of Edinburgh.
    Oh dear, metropolitan snobbery gets everywhere nowadays.
    If Edinburgh was good enough for Darwin, Hume, Maxwell, Adam Smith, Simpson, RLS, Conan Doyle etc...

    Unaccustomed as I am to defending Broon, he started his degree at 16 and was apparently offered a place at Oxford.

    'Brown was apparently offered a place at Oxford but made the choice to go to north of the border instead. As The Telegraph’s Alan Cochrane writes in his Scottish referendum diaries, Brown confided in him, ‘I wish now that I had gone. I think I missed something by not going.’
    Well, as Cochrane pointed out to Brown at the time, he made it to Prime Minister anyway, overcoming the Oxbridge dominance at the top of government.'

    http://tinyurl.com/osa4q55
    And also - I may be wrong - but I think that degree in history is in fact a Ph.D?
    Indeed it was, but that makes him no more "qualified" to run the economy that Osborne. Our leftie friend Rosie was indignantly asking why we had someone with a history qualification as chancellor, and I was explaining that Brown had more or less the same qualification but lefties seemed happy with him being chancellor.

    I think it's better to have a Chancellor that learns from history.

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    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    Ed Balls is far more qualified in economics than George Osborne. Balls graduated with a first in PPE from Oxford, ahead of Cameron? George just managed a second class degree in Modern History, how does that qualify him to be chancellor?

    That's not a great comparison for a Labourite to make, do you recall the qualifications of Mr James Gordon Brown, your sainted Iron Chancellor and Savior of the Universe ? That's right, a degree in History from University of Edinburgh.
    Oh dear, metropolitan snobbery gets everywhere nowadays.
    If Edinburgh was good enough for Darwin, Hume, Maxwell, Adam Smith, Simpson, RLS, Conan Doyle etc...

    Unaccustomed as I am to defending Broon, he started his degree at 16 and was apparently offered a place at Oxford.

    'Brown was apparently offered a place at Oxford but made the choice to go to north of the border instead. As The Telegraph’s Alan Cochrane writes in his Scottish referendum diaries, Brown confided in him, ‘I wish now that I had gone. I think I missed something by not going.’
    Well, as Cochrane pointed out to Brown at the time, he made it to Prime Minister anyway, overcoming the Oxbridge dominance at the top of government.'

    http://tinyurl.com/osa4q55
    And also - I may be wrong - but I think that degree in history is in fact a Ph.D?
    Indeed it was, but that makes him no more "qualified" to run the economy that Osborne. Our leftie friend Rosie was indignantly asking why we had someone with a history qualification as chancellor, and I was explaining that Brown had more or less the same qualification but lefties seemed happy with him being chancellor.

    I think it's better to have a Chancellor that learns from history.

    People will a lack of understanding about history shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the levers of powers.

    Obviously this would be hard luck on Morris Dancer :-)
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,751
    edited December 2014
    Jeremy Thorpe has died.
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    Tap is on top form! Bravo!
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    FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Peter the Punter says, ''The Government simply overestimated the amount of tax that the employed, or newly employed, would be paying.''

    Did they? Maybe, but the treasury boffins I would have thought are pretty good at that.

    If you look back to growth under Brown we see an increase in the deficits. This may well be due to exessive spending, but the issue may be massive tax avoidance by big companies and big but hypocritical comedians etc.

    For a considerable time we have indeed been spending too much, but the economy does not seem to generate the tax revenues we would like. Why is that?
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    saddosaddo Posts: 534

    Danny565 said:

    The Tories really have some chutzpah complaining about BBC bias after the BBC's constant propaganda about how cuts are necessary over the past 4 years, completely ignoring the left-wing viewpoint.

    Behave, the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation are anti Tory, always have been, always will be.

    Is soaked to the rafters with Pinkoes.

    Just look at the way the BBC smeared Lord McAlpine because he was a former Tory treasurer.
    Norman Smith didn't just make up the 30's line on his own. He and his producers get hold of all the papers overnight and as always, follow the Guardian narrative. Have they ever followed The Sun or the Mail? Why can they never say its a great day for taxpayers & working people?

    They genuinely think Guardian speak is the middle ground.
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    saddo said:

    Danny565 said:

    The Tories really have some chutzpah complaining about BBC bias after the BBC's constant propaganda about how cuts are necessary over the past 4 years, completely ignoring the left-wing viewpoint.

    Behave, the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation are anti Tory, always have been, always will be.

    Is soaked to the rafters with Pinkoes.

    Just look at the way the BBC smeared Lord McAlpine because he was a former Tory treasurer.
    Norman Smith didn't just make up the 30's line on his own. He and his producers get hold of all the papers overnight and as always, follow the Guardian narrative. Have they ever followed The Sun or the Mail? Why can they never say its a great day for taxpayers & working people?

    They genuinely think Guardian speak is the middle ground.
    Just look where all the latest Newsnight staff have come from.

    Ex Guardian staff.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
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    Former Liberal leader Jeremy Thorpe dies
    Breaking news
    Former Liberal Party leader Jeremy Thorpe died this morning after a long battle with Parkinson's Disease, his son Rupert has announced.

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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited December 2014
    Ace - will hunt her out.

    There isn't much I don't like - there's only a few categories that really get on my wick - opera singing bar a handful of exceptions, jazz after 1930 and n-rap/jungle.

    I'd rather stab myself with a fork. For a whole day...

    Plato said:

    OT I'm after some recommendations re Classical music up to an including the Baroque period. I'm rather fond of Baroque and Elizabethan ditties - but my knowledge before/otherwise is very ropey.

    Anything spring to mind? I detest opera singing so anything other than that. Any instrument is fine.

    If you want to go back to the mid 12th Century, then the works of Hildegard von Bingen are exceptional. I often write with it on low in the background.

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    Mr. Eagles, I think we can all agree being ruled by myself, ably aided by my enormo-haddock and octo-lemurs, would usher in a new golden age of prosperity, progress and a cultural renaissance.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    I think the Sun front page photos neatly sums up the current state of play.
    Re working families tax credits.. terrible policy, needs eliminating over time. Cost billions we cannot afford, another MCDoom turd left at the gates of 11 Downing St. Just think how much they have cost over the last 11 yrs.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    edited December 2014
    "Then we have been forced to listen to the pitiful whining of Mr Norma St.John Scott - a scrounger, parasite, pervert, a worm, a self-confessed player of the pink oboe; a man (or woman) who by his (or her) own admission chews pillows! It would be hard to imagine, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, a more discredited and embittered man, a more unreliable witness upon whose testimony to convict a man who you may rightly think should have become Prime Minister of his country or President of the world. You may on the other hand choose to believe the evidence of Mrs Scott - in which case I can only say that you need psychiatric help of the type provided by the excellent Dr Gleadle."

    That might help Jeremy Thorpe's obituary writers.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30336167
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    Judge Cantley, that is all.
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    Plato said:

    Thanx - I'm rather fond of Baroque architecture too in all its twiddly excess!

    Plato said:

    OT I'm after some recommendations re Classical music up to an including the Baroque period. I'm rather fond of Baroque and Elizabethan ditties - but my knowledge before/otherwise is very ropey.

    Anything spring to mind? I detest opera singing so anything other than that. Any instrument is fine.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque_music
    You're welcome. But I should also have posted these:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_music
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_music
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291

    Judge Cantley, that is all.

    Welll nearly all.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyos-M48B8U

    RIP Rinka.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    For a considerable time we have indeed been spending too much, but the economy does not seem to generate the tax revenues we would like. Why is that?

    Between 2000-2010

    Tax Receipts Up: 28.1%
    Inflation Up: 29.4%
    Spending Up: 97.4%

    Pensions Up: 76%
    Health Up: 134%
    Education: 108%
    Defence: 54%
    Welfare: 88%

    Spending put on a runaway train. Tax Credits went up 116% in 7 years.

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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Is it wrong that, on seeing Thorpe had died, my first thought was "I wonder if more stuff abour Rinkgate will come out now"...

    I'm sure I remember hearing that a book was being held back for publication til after his death.
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    dr_spyn said:

    Judge Cantley, that is all.

    Welll nearly all.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyos-M48B8U

    RIP Rinka.
    If you were to show a transcript of the original summing up and the Peter Cooke's parody to people, they wouldn't be able to tell which one was the original and which one was the spoof.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    saddo said:

    Danny565 said:

    The Tories really have some chutzpah complaining about BBC bias after the BBC's constant propaganda about how cuts are necessary over the past 4 years, completely ignoring the left-wing viewpoint.

    Behave, the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation are anti Tory, always have been, always will be.

    Is soaked to the rafters with Pinkoes.

    Just look at the way the BBC smeared Lord McAlpine because he was a former Tory treasurer.
    Norman Smith didn't just make up the 30's line on his own. He and his producers get hold of all the papers overnight and as always, follow the Guardian narrative. Have they ever followed The Sun or the Mail? Why can they never say its a great day for taxpayers & working people?

    They genuinely think Guardian speak is the middle ground.
    So does David Cameron.

    You just need to look at the government's ban on making porn that upsets the feminist left. It doesn't matter that producers and consumers are consenting adults. The Guardianistas don't like it, so it's banned.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,751
    edited December 2014
    Oh dear, we're about to get spammed with criticism of Theresa May

    @SophyRidgeSky

    Exclusive by my colleague @JasonFarrellSky - Victims of historical sex abuse to pull out of Home Office inquiry. On Sky News now.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    Ed Balls is far more qualified in economics than George Osborne. Balls graduated with a first in PPE from Oxford, ahead of Cameron? George just managed a second class degree in Modern History, how does that qualify him to be chancellor?

    That's not a great comparison for a Labourite to make, do you recall the qualifications of Mr James Gordon Brown, your sainted Iron Chancellor and Savior of the Universe ? That's right, a degree in History from University of Edinburgh.
    Oh dear, metropolitan snobbery gets everywhere nowadays.
    If Edinburgh was good enough for Darwin, Hume, Maxwell, Adam Smith, Simpson, RLS, Conan Doyle etc...

    Unaccustomed as I am to defending Broon, he started his degree at 16 and was apparently offered a place at Oxford.

    'Brown was apparently offered a place at Oxford but made the choice to go to north of the border instead. As The Telegraph’s Alan Cochrane writes in his Scottish referendum diaries, Brown confided in him, ‘I wish now that I had gone. I think I missed something by not going.’
    Well, as Cochrane pointed out to Brown at the time, he made it to Prime Minister anyway, overcoming the Oxbridge dominance at the top of government.'

    http://tinyurl.com/osa4q55
    And also - I may be wrong - but I think that degree in history is in fact a Ph.D?
    Indeed it was, but that makes him no more "qualified" to run the economy that Osborne. Our leftie friend Rosie was indignantly asking why we had someone with a history qualification as chancellor, and I was explaining that Brown had more or less the same qualification but lefties seemed happy with him being chancellor.

    I think it's better to have a Chancellor that learns from history.

    People will a lack of understanding about history shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the levers of powers.

    Obviously this would be hard luck on Morris Dancer :-)
    Be fair, Mr. Eagles, young Morris Dancer's knowledge of ancient history is very good, indeed exceptional by any normal standards. His understanding of that knowledge is also very good, save for one small point - his insistence that a person who lost is not a loser. We must just do what we can to get him to see the light.

    The fact that he considers anything that happened later than about 2,000 years ago as too modern to bother with is neither here nor there (I have spent much of this week in the thirteenth century, so am not in a position to criticise) and to be fair I don't think Mr. Dancer is seeking access to the levers of power.
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    Mr. Eagles, I think we can all agree being ruled by myself, ably aided by my enormo-haddock and octo-lemurs, would usher in a new golden age of prosperity, progress and a cultural renaissance.

    Sounds fishy, the country would prefer to be ruled by a Directly Elected Dictator from Sheffield who will take us to an unparalleled era of prosperity, erudition, and a new British Empire
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    On the back of yesterday's Autumn Statement, Sporting have lifted their spread on Tory GE Seats by two to 278 - 284. Labour Seats have been reduced by a similar extent to 284 - 290. So there are currently just 6 seats separating the two main parties.
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    saddosaddo Posts: 534

    saddo said:

    Danny565 said:

    The Tories really have some chutzpah complaining about BBC bias after the BBC's constant propaganda about how cuts are necessary over the past 4 years, completely ignoring the left-wing viewpoint.

    Behave, the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation are anti Tory, always have been, always will be.

    Is soaked to the rafters with Pinkoes.

    Just look at the way the BBC smeared Lord McAlpine because he was a former Tory treasurer.
    Norman Smith didn't just make up the 30's line on his own. He and his producers get hold of all the papers overnight and as always, follow the Guardian narrative. Have they ever followed The Sun or the Mail? Why can they never say its a great day for taxpayers & working people?

    They genuinely think Guardian speak is the middle ground.
    Just look where all the latest Newsnight staff have come from.

    Ex Guardian staff.
    As the left don't believe in the virtues of competition, I've often wondered why they are so opposed to Sky News being owned by Murdoch 100% and being turned into Fox News.

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    Mr. Eagles, I think we can all agree being ruled by myself, ably aided by my enormo-haddock and octo-lemurs, would usher in a new golden age of prosperity, progress and a cultural renaissance.

    ...you seem to have overlooked the all-important trebuchet and space cannon elements of the wiffle empire...
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    Mr. Socrates, indeed. Worth noting such puritanism isn't limited to the UK, though. Two Aussie stores have stopped selling 18-rated videogame Grand Theft Auto V because of violence against women.

    The fact it's rated 18, a videogame, and buying it is entirely optional appears irrelevant to some people. If 'they' don't like it, it must be verboten.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,154
    RIP Jeremy Thorpe. Losing his wife recently must have been dreadful.

    I believe he wrote his account of the Scott affair, which was to be published after his death I wonder ......
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    saddo said:

    Danny565 said:

    The Tories really have some chutzpah complaining about BBC bias after the BBC's constant propaganda about how cuts are necessary over the past 4 years, completely ignoring the left-wing viewpoint.

    Behave, the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation are anti Tory, always have been, always will be.

    Is soaked to the rafters with Pinkoes.

    Just look at the way the BBC smeared Lord McAlpine because he was a former Tory treasurer.
    Norman Smith didn't just make up the 30's line on his own. He and his producers get hold of all the papers overnight and as always, follow the Guardian narrative. Have they ever followed The Sun or the Mail? Why can they never say its a great day for taxpayers & working people?

    They genuinely think Guardian speak is the middle ground.
    Just look where all the latest Newsnight staff have come from.

    Ex Guardian staff.
    Just like the Civil Service continues to be recruited through the Guardian.

    The entire reason for the rise of UKIP is because the entire establishment, from BBC journalists through to Permanent Secretaries come from a small niche of elite society that has social views far out of line with the general public.
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    Mr. Eagles, Sheffield has a poor recent history insofar as providing national leaders is concerned.

    Mr. Patrick, not at all, I simply didn't feel the need to elaborate upon my well-known and universally popular policy platform.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Mr. Socrates, indeed. Worth noting such puritanism isn't limited to the UK, though. Two Aussie stores have stopped selling 18-rated videogame Grand Theft Auto V because of violence against women.

    The fact it's rated 18, a videogame, and buying it is entirely optional appears irrelevant to some people. If 'they' don't like it, it must be verboten.

    Presumably the Koran has been similarly banned, given that it's also a work of fiction with brutal violence against women?
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Oh dear, we're about to get spammed with criticism of Theresa May

    @SophyRidgeSky

    Exclusive by my colleague @JasonFarrellSky - Victims of historical sex abuse to pull out of Home Office inquiry. On Sky News now.

    The fact you need to pre-empt the inevitable criticism after another cock-up says it all.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013

    Mr. Eagles, I think we can all agree being ruled by myself, ably aided by my enormo-haddock and octo-lemurs, would usher in a new golden age of prosperity, progress and a cultural renaissance.

    Sounds fishy, the country would prefer to be ruled by a Directly Elected Dictator from Sheffield who will take us to an unparalleled era of prosperity, erudition, and a new British Empire
    He appears to have some dodgy opinions about military matters in the ancient world.
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    Mr. F, are you referring to me or Mr. Eagles?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193
    Sean_F said:

    Mr. Eagles, I think we can all agree being ruled by myself, ably aided by my enormo-haddock and octo-lemurs, would usher in a new golden age of prosperity, progress and a cultural renaissance.

    Sounds fishy, the country would prefer to be ruled by a Directly Elected Dictator from Sheffield who will take us to an unparalleled era of prosperity, erudition, and a new British Empire
    He appears to have some dodgy opinions about military matters in the ancient world.
    Quite sound on harems though.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Damn, i missed getting on ukip in the Wrekin @ 16/1 before Shadsy suspended.

    Good bet that.

    PP's 5/1, with a void clause in the case of a by-election doesn't tempt me.
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    Socrates said:

    You just need to look at the government's ban on making porn that upsets the feminist left. It doesn't matter that producers and consumers are consenting adults. The Guardianistas don't like it, so it's banned.

    Really? Only Guardianistas? Not, for example, Daily Mail readers?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193

    Mr. Eagles, I think we can all agree being ruled by myself, ably aided by my enormo-haddock and octo-lemurs, would usher in a new golden age of prosperity, progress and a cultural renaissance.

    Sounds fishy, the country would prefer to be ruled by a Directly Elected Dictator from Sheffield who will take us to an unparalleled era of prosperity, erudition, and a new British Empire
    I have it on good authority that Steps would even reform for your Inauguration Ball....

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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013

    Socrates said:

    You just need to look at the government's ban on making porn that upsets the feminist left. It doesn't matter that producers and consumers are consenting adults. The Guardianistas don't like it, so it's banned.

    Really? Only Guardianistas? Not, for example, Daily Mail readers?
    On Womans Hour this morning, there was a feminist sociologist from UEA, who could have been the leader of the Junior Anti-Sex League in 1984.

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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,022
    dr_spyn said:

    "Then we have been forced to listen to the pitiful whining of Mr Norma St.John Scott - a scrounger, parasite, pervert, a worm, a self-confessed player of the pink oboe; a man (or woman) who by his (or her) own admission chews pillows! It would be hard to imagine, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, a more discredited and embittered man, a more unreliable witness upon whose testimony to convict a man who you may rightly think should have become Prime Minister of his country or President of the world. You may on the other hand choose to believe the evidence of Mrs Scott - in which case I can only say that you need psychiatric help of the type provided by the excellent Dr Gleadle."

    That might help Jeremy Thorpe's obituary writers.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30336167

    Thanks. Absolutely wonderful stuff! How did 'self-confessed player of the pink oboe' not enter the lexicon?
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    NEW THREAD
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Having worked with the BBC a lot and in Whitehall - I'm very familiar with the cultural mindset. If I offered my copy of The Telegraph or Times to anyone they flinched.

    This isn't just a spec of anecdata - I worked in this world for 6yrs. It was the prevalent behaviour. Whether they replicated it in the ballot box is another. But it was striking.
    Socrates said:

    saddo said:

    Danny565 said:

    The Tories really have some chutzpah complaining about BBC bias after the BBC's constant propaganda about how cuts are necessary over the past 4 years, completely ignoring the left-wing viewpoint.

    Behave, the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation are anti Tory, always have been, always will be.

    Is soaked to the rafters with Pinkoes.

    Just look at the way the BBC smeared Lord McAlpine because he was a former Tory treasurer.
    Norman Smith didn't just make up the 30's line on his own. He and his producers get hold of all the papers overnight and as always, follow the Guardian narrative. Have they ever followed The Sun or the Mail? Why can they never say its a great day for taxpayers & working people?

    They genuinely think Guardian speak is the middle ground.
    Just look where all the latest Newsnight staff have come from.

    Ex Guardian staff.
    Just like the Civil Service continues to be recruited through the Guardian.

    The entire reason for the rise of UKIP is because the entire establishment, from BBC journalists through to Permanent Secretaries come from a small niche of elite society that has social views far out of line with the general public.
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    JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790

    dr_spyn said:

    "Then we have been forced to listen to the pitiful whining of Mr Norma St.John Scott - a scrounger, parasite, pervert, a worm, a self-confessed player of the pink oboe; a man (or woman) who by his (or her) own admission chews pillows! It would be hard to imagine, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, a more discredited and embittered man, a more unreliable witness upon whose testimony to convict a man who you may rightly think should have become Prime Minister of his country or President of the world. You may on the other hand choose to believe the evidence of Mrs Scott - in which case I can only say that you need psychiatric help of the type provided by the excellent Dr Gleadle."

    That might help Jeremy Thorpe's obituary writers.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30336167

    Thanks. Absolutely wonderful stuff! How did 'self-confessed player of the pink oboe' not enter the lexicon?
    It did, you oblivious nang-bandit.

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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Afternoon all. I missed the key political event yesterday. Not the Autumn Statement. The latest Jack's ARSE. I couldn't readily find it so can some kind soul tell me what it's prediction was beyond Ed Miliband will never be PM.

    Normally published on a Tuesday.

    2 Dec - Headline figures :

    Con 310 (NC) .. Lab 262 (-2) .. LibDem 34 (+4) .. SNP 18 (-2) .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. Ukip 3 .. respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Speaker 1

    Con 16 short of a majority.

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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291

    dr_spyn said:

    "Then we have been forced to listen to the pitiful whining of Mr Norma St.John Scott - a scrounger, parasite, pervert, a worm, a self-confessed player of the pink oboe; a man (or woman) who by his (or her) own admission chews pillows! It would be hard to imagine, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, a more discredited and embittered man, a more unreliable witness upon whose testimony to convict a man who you may rightly think should have become Prime Minister of his country or President of the world. You may on the other hand choose to believe the evidence of Mrs Scott - in which case I can only say that you need psychiatric help of the type provided by the excellent Dr Gleadle."

    That might help Jeremy Thorpe's obituary writers.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30336167

    Thanks. Absolutely wonderful stuff! How did 'self-confessed player of the pink oboe' not enter the lexicon?
    Cook claims he overheard Billy Connelly using the phrase.

    Big Bill Connelly, the man who put the count into Country Music.
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