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  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    BenM said:

    Ed Balls ‏@edballsmp·9m9 minutes ago
    Tory borrowing plans are in tatters: in this parliament they will have borrowed £219bn more than they planned in 2010 #AS2014

    Labour are complaining the Tories borrowed less than Labour would have done...

    The GE campaign in a single tweet
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited December 2014
    Cyclefree said:

    New Bank Tax

    New announcement: the amount of profit in established banks that can be offset by losses carried forward will be limited to 50%, and relief on bad debts delayed. That means banks should contribute almost £4 billion more in tax over the next five years.

    Why are we now having two budgets a year?


    "First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two at twice the price? Only, this one can be kept secret."
    - John Hurt in "Contact".
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    MikeK said:

    DavidL said:

    If it works the biggest item in the budget really ought to be the new tax on multinationals. I will be fascinated to see in due course what the Treasury thinks that will bring in. It will also be interesting to see whether all the larger economies in the EU and indeed beyond follow suit. I would be amazed if this has come out of the blue and not been discussed at the G7.

    Luxembourg may start to discover what austerity means.

    Good.

    Another whistler in the wind!
    Talking of farting in a gale, are you revising up or down your 80+ seat prediction for Ukip at the general election ?

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,016

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Are we moving to the far more sensible Scottish system or something like it ?
    That nice house I wanted to buy?

    Just got £250,000 more expensive.

    Thanks George.
    £8M or so ? Nice.
    It's an aspiration, not a reality!

    (But £5m - assuming I've got my numbers right! - will buy a fairly basic house with a patch of garden in my area)

    Here's a good example: £5m. 2,500 sq foot. 4bed, 3 bath + garage. South of the High Street (so less smart) and next to a railway line.

    http://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/33637505?search_identifier=5ff527aebb70607e2eb13466b69042bc#T0OZFTmWTHpu07c7.97

    Damn. I clicked on the link and now, when I am trying to complete my online shopping at Lidl, I will have multi-million pound Kensington houses flashing up for sale on my computer.
    LOL. I bought a washing machine online and was plagued with adverts for them for over a month.
    Someone once complained to OGH that his site really shouldn't have ads for Roumanians mail order brides....and then disappeared after it was pointed out why he was seeing them.
    I'd forgotten that. Excellent.
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Are we moving to the far more sensible Scottish system or something like it ?
    That nice house I wanted to buy?

    Just got £250,000 more expensive.

    Thanks George.
    £8M or so ? Nice.
    It's an aspiration, not a reality!

    (But £5m - assuming I've got my numbers right! - will buy a fairly basic house with a patch of garden in my area)

    Here's a good example: £5m. 2,500 sq foot. 4bed, 3 bath + garage. South of the High Street (so less smart) and next to a railway line.

    http://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/33637505?search_identifier=5ff527aebb70607e2eb13466b69042bc#T0OZFTmWTHpu07c7.97

    Damn. I clicked on the link and now, when I am trying to complete my online shopping at Lidl, I will have multi-million pound Kensington houses flashing up for sale on my computer.
    LOL. I bought a washing machine online and was plagued with adverts for them for over a month.
    Someone once complained to OGH that his site really shouldn't have ads for Roumanians mail order brides....and then disappeared after it was pointed out why he was seeing them.
    I'd forgotten that. Excellent.
    Which PBer was that?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    BenM said:

    Ed Balls ‏@edballsmp·9m9 minutes ago
    Tory borrowing plans are in tatters: in this parliament they will have borrowed £219bn more than they planned in 2010 #AS2014

    You are an idiot. Why? Because at least Balls knows he is talking rubbish. He cannot talk about the hundreds of thousands, millions, of new jobs created thoigh, can he?. The govt is performing well in its spending cuts and still we see jobs beking created . This is the prme responsibility it has, it cannot control outside events.
    The fact that the economy does not generate the revenues because of tax scams is at last being addressed. All through Brown's supposed boom period the economy never generated the taxes expected.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Are we moving to the far more sensible Scottish system or something like it ?
    That nice house I wanted to buy?

    Just got £250,000 more expensive.

    Thanks George.
    £8M or so ? Nice.
    It's an aspiration, not a reality!

    (But £5m - assuming I've got my numbers right! - will buy a fairly basic house with a patch of garden in my area)

    Here's a good example: £5m. 2,500 sq foot. 4bed, 3 bath + garage. South of the High Street (so less smart) and next to a railway line.

    http://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/33637505?search_identifier=5ff527aebb70607e2eb13466b69042bc#T0OZFTmWTHpu07c7.97

    Damn. I clicked on the link and now, when I am trying to complete my online shopping at Lidl, I will have multi-million pound Kensington houses flashing up for sale on my computer.
    LOL. I bought a washing machine online and was plagued with adverts for them for over a month.
    Someone once complained to OGH that his site really shouldn't have ads for Roumanians mail order brides....and then disappeared after it was pointed out why he was seeing them.
    I'd forgotten that. Excellent.
    That is a classic
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited December 2014

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Are we moving to the far more sensible Scottish system or something like it ?
    That nice house I wanted to buy?

    Just got £250,000 more expensive.

    Thanks George.
    £8M or so ? Nice.
    It's an aspiration, not a reality!

    (But £5m - assuming I've got my numbers right! - will buy a fairly basic house with a patch of garden in my area)

    Here's a good example: £5m. 2,500 sq foot. 4bed, 3 bath + garage. South of the High Street (so less smart) and next to a railway line.

    http://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/33637505?search_identifier=5ff527aebb70607e2eb13466b69042bc#T0OZFTmWTHpu07c7.97

    Damn. I clicked on the link and now, when I am trying to complete my online shopping at Lidl, I will have multi-million pound Kensington houses flashing up for sale on my computer.
    LOL. I bought a washing machine online and was plagued with adverts for them for over a month.
    Someone once complained to OGH that his site really shouldn't have ads for Roumanians mail order brides....and then disappeared after it was pointed out why he was seeing them.
    I'd forgotten that. Excellent.
    That is a classic
    Is it true though or myth?

    I am getting adverts for solar energy, IT equipment and alzheimers association, and I haven't looked up any of these things, not that I would be embarrassed if I had
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Did anyone hear Ed Balls, sounded like an over exited school kid.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Danny565 said:

    BenM said:

    Ed Balls ‏@edballsmp·9m9 minutes ago
    Tory borrowing plans are in tatters: in this parliament they will have borrowed £219bn more than they planned in 2010 #AS2014

    For God's sake. What point do Labour think they're making when they say the Tories haven't been Tory enough on cutting the deficit?
    Tories not "Tory enough" on the deficit? Have you seen the Tory record on deficits?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,016

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Are we moving to the far more sensible Scottish system or something like it ?
    That nice house I wanted to buy?

    Just got £250,000 more expensive.

    Thanks George.
    £8M or so ? Nice.
    It's an aspiration, not a reality!

    (But £5m - assuming I've got my numbers right! - will buy a fairly basic house with a patch of garden in my area)

    Here's a good example: £5m. 2,500 sq foot. 4bed, 3 bath + garage. South of the High Street (so less smart) and next to a railway line.

    http://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/33637505?search_identifier=5ff527aebb70607e2eb13466b69042bc#T0OZFTmWTHpu07c7.97

    Damn. I clicked on the link and now, when I am trying to complete my online shopping at Lidl, I will have multi-million pound Kensington houses flashing up for sale on my computer.
    LOL. I bought a washing machine online and was plagued with adverts for them for over a month.
    Someone once complained to OGH that his site really shouldn't have ads for Roumanians mail order brides....and then disappeared after it was pointed out why he was seeing them.
    I'd forgotten that. Excellent.
    Which PBer was that?
    Honestly can't remember, it was a few years ago and I was new to the site. I think Carlotta is right that they disappeared thereafter though.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    edited December 2014
    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Are we moving to the far more sensible Scottish system or something like it ?
    That nice house I wanted to buy?

    Just got £250,000 more expensive.

    Thanks George.
    £8M or so ? Nice.
    It's an aspiration, not a reality!

    (But £5m - assuming I've got my numbers right! - will buy a fairly basic house with a patch of garden in my area)

    Here's a good example: £5m. 2,500 sq foot. 4bed, 3 bath + garage. South of the High Street (so less smart) and next to a railway line.

    http://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/33637505?search_identifier=5ff527aebb70607e2eb13466b69042bc#T0OZFTmWTHpu07c7.97

    Charles, my dear fellow: may I suggest West Hampstead - which has all the advantages of Hampstead but without, I'm glad to say its current vulgarity - (and I should know I grew up there when it was populated by real people), is close to St John's Wood, is a mere 15 minutes walk from the Heath, has good transport links and still has ordinary high streets rather than a gazillion shoe shops and overpriced patisseries. It is close to good schools and if you go to the right church you can bend the ear of the BoE governor!

    What's more the houses are cheaper and, judging by those photos, the bedrooms and gardens are larger. Mine certainly are. There is also a sense of community since people tend not to move house very often so you do know your neighbours.

    And it is easy to escape up the M1 for the delights of the Lake District.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,016
    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Are we moving to the far more sensible Scottish system or something like it ?
    That nice house I wanted to buy?

    Just got £250,000 more expensive.

    Thanks George.
    £8M or so ? Nice.
    It's an aspiration, not a reality!

    (But £5m - assuming I've got my numbers right! - will buy a fairly basic house with a patch of garden in my area)

    Here's a good example: £5m. 2,500 sq foot. 4bed, 3 bath + garage. South of the High Street (so less smart) and next to a railway line.

    http://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/33637505?search_identifier=5ff527aebb70607e2eb13466b69042bc#T0OZFTmWTHpu07c7.97

    Damn. I clicked on the link and now, when I am trying to complete my online shopping at Lidl, I will have multi-million pound Kensington houses flashing up for sale on my computer.
    LOL. I bought a washing machine online and was plagued with adverts for them for over a month.
    Someone once complained to OGH that his site really shouldn't have ads for Roumanians mail order brides....and then disappeared after it was pointed out why he was seeing them.
    I'd forgotten that. Excellent.
    That is a classic
    Is it true though or myth?

    I am getting adverts for solar energy, IT equipment and alzheimers association, and I haven't looked up any of these things, not that I would be embarrassed if I had
    Oh its definitely true, Google has some seriously smart technology to pick up what you have been searching online and feed that into their advertising. Try it. Search for something you would never buy like cat food or a room in Bedford and watch what happens to your adverts.
  • Why were we still paying for World War I, one hundred years on?

    Shouldn't we have forced the vile Hun to pay it.

    "George, the British Empire at present covers a quarter of the globe, while the German Empire consists of a small sausage factory in Tanganyika. I hardly think that we can be entirely absolved of blame on the imperialistic front."
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited December 2014
    Ben M.. lets reduce this to basics...

    In 2010... Your party left a massive pile of turd outside No 10 and left the incoming Govt with a single teaspoon to get rid of it. Such a task takes time, but it doesn't alter the fact that Labour were responsible for the pile of turd in the first place.
    Lecturing on the slowness of the removal just makes Labour look stupid and economically illiterate. which of course they are.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    DavidL said:

    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Are we moving to the far more sensible Scottish system or something like it ?
    That nice house I wanted to buy?

    Just got £250,000 more expensive.

    Thanks George.
    £8M or so ? Nice.
    It's an aspiration, not a reality!

    (But £5m - assuming I've got my numbers right! - will buy a fairly basic house with a patch of garden in my area)

    Here's a good example: £5m. 2,500 sq foot. 4bed, 3 bath + garage. South of the High Street (so less smart) and next to a railway line.

    http://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/33637505?search_identifier=5ff527aebb70607e2eb13466b69042bc#T0OZFTmWTHpu07c7.97

    Damn. I clicked on the link and now, when I am trying to complete my online shopping at Lidl, I will have multi-million pound Kensington houses flashing up for sale on my computer.
    LOL. I bought a washing machine online and was plagued with adverts for them for over a month.
    Someone once complained to OGH that his site really shouldn't have ads for Roumanians mail order brides....and then disappeared after it was pointed out why he was seeing them.
    I'd forgotten that. Excellent.
    That is a classic
    Is it true though or myth?

    I am getting adverts for solar energy, IT equipment and alzheimers association, and I haven't looked up any of these things, not that I would be embarrassed if I had
    Oh its definitely true, Google has some seriously smart technology to pick up what you have been searching online and feed that into their advertising. Try it. Search for something you would never buy like cat food or a room in Bedford and watch what happens to your adverts.
    Ha! The cat just read that and meowed!

    I am getting the London School of beauty and make up now? Maybe they are 70% generic and 30% specific
  • Why were we still paying for World War I, one hundred years on?

    Shouldn't we have forced the vile Hun to pay it.

    "George, the British Empire at present covers a quarter of the globe, while the German Empire consists of a small sausage factory in Tanganyika. I hardly think that we can be entirely absolved of blame on the imperialistic front."
    Yay someone got the reference.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    BenM said:

    Danny565 said:

    BenM said:

    Ed Balls ‏@edballsmp·9m9 minutes ago
    Tory borrowing plans are in tatters: in this parliament they will have borrowed £219bn more than they planned in 2010 #AS2014

    For God's sake. What point do Labour think they're making when they say the Tories haven't been Tory enough on cutting the deficit?
    Tories not "Tory enough" on the deficit? Have you seen the Tory record on deficits?
    Yes, indeed, Tory governments have regularly run very large deficits. But that wasn't my point. The point is that no matter how poor the Tories' record is on this front, NO-ONE is going to believe that the deficit would be lower if Labour was in. So Labour pointing out that the deficit is very big will simply make people think the deficit is the top issue that needs tackling, and that will only favour the Tories. It's the same as the parties to "out-Ukip Ukip" on immigration -- all that does is entrench the idea that immigration is out of control and that a solution is needed, yet the main parties can't out-bid UKIP on that solution.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited December 2014

    Sunil Prasannan ‏@Sunil_P2 · 4m4 minutes ago
    ELBOW 30 Nov UPDATE 4 TNS 27 Nov: Lab 33.3, Con 31.2, UKIP 16.3, LD 7.3 (Lab was 33.5, Con 31.4, UKIP 16.1, LD 7.4)

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/540132429693206529

    Revised ELBOW figures for 30th November (now including TNS from 27th Nov) in full:

    Lab 33.3 (nc from 23rd Nov)
    Con 31.2 (-1.7)
    UKIP 16.3 (+1.0)
    LD 7.3 (+0.2)

    Lab lead 2.1 (+1.6)
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Are we moving to the far more sensible Scottish system or something like it ?
    That nice house I wanted to buy?

    Just got £250,000 more expensive.

    Thanks George.
    £8M or so ? Nice.
    It's an aspiration, not a reality!

    (But £5m - assuming I've got my numbers right! - will buy a fairly basic house with a patch of garden in my area)

    Here's a good example: £5m. 2,500 sq foot. 4bed, 3 bath + garage. South of the High Street (so less smart) and next to a railway line.

    http://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/33637505?search_identifier=5ff527aebb70607e2eb13466b69042bc#T0OZFTmWTHpu07c7.97

    Charles, my dear fellow: may I suggest West Hampstead - which has all the advantages of Hampstead but without, I'm glad to say its current vulgarity - (and I should know I grew up there when it was populated by real people), is close to St John's Wood, is a mere 15 minutes walk from the Heath, has good transport links and still has ordinary high streets rather than a gazillion shoe shops and overpriced patisseries. It is close to good schools and if you go to the right church you can bend the ear of the BoE governor!

    What's more the houses are cheaper and, judging by those photos, the bedrooms and gardens are larger. Mine certainly are. There is also a sense of community since people tend not to move house very often so you do know your neighbours.

    And it is easy to escape up the M1 for the delights of the Lake District.
    Every time I suggest somewhere that isn't Kensington my wife counters with "How about California?"

    #firstworldproblems
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    I don't whether I am unusual in having a group of friends many of whom are in the process of buying homes in and around Oxford - but there are some seriously happy people as a result of today. One is saving £4k under the Stamp Duty regime and another is looking at a £1200 saving. And that money looks like it will be spent on stuff for their new homes anyway - so it will feed straight back into the economy. Looks like a smart and popular move.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844

    Did anyone hear Ed Balls, sounded like an over exited school kid.

    Who is he? Is he someone we should be listening to?

    Thought not!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,034
    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Are we moving to the far more sensible Scottish system or something like it ?
    That nice house I wanted to buy?

    Just got £250,000 more expensive.

    Thanks George.
    £8M or so ? Nice.
    It's an aspiration, not a reality!

    (But £5m - assuming I've got my numbers right! - will buy a fairly basic house with a patch of garden in my area)

    Here's a good example: £5m. 2,500 sq foot. 4bed, 3 bath + garage. South of the High Street (so less smart) and next to a railway line.

    http://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/33637505?search_identifier=5ff527aebb70607e2eb13466b69042bc#T0OZFTmWTHpu07c7.97

    Damn. I clicked on the link and now, when I am trying to complete my online shopping at Lidl, I will have multi-million pound Kensington houses flashing up for sale on my computer.
    LOL. I bought a washing machine online and was plagued with adverts for them for over a month.
    Someone once complained to OGH that his site really shouldn't have ads for Roumanians mail order brides....and then disappeared after it was pointed out why he was seeing them.
    I'd forgotten that. Excellent.
    That is a classic
    Is it true though or myth?

    I am getting adverts for solar energy, IT equipment and alzheimers association, and I haven't looked up any of these things, not that I would be embarrassed if I had
    Oh its definitely true, Google has some seriously smart technology to pick up what you have been searching online and feed that into their advertising. Try it. Search for something you would never buy like cat food or a room in Bedford and watch what happens to your adverts.
    Ha! The cat just read that and meowed!

    I am getting the London School of beauty and make up now? Maybe they are 70% generic and 30% specific
    Nine times out of ten I get adverts for underwear.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,034

    Cyclefree said:

    New Bank Tax

    New announcement: the amount of profit in established banks that can be offset by losses carried forward will be limited to 50%, and relief on bad debts delayed. That means banks should contribute almost £4 billion more in tax over the next five years.

    Why are we now having two budgets a year?


    "First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two at twice the price? Only, this one can be kept secret."
    - John Hurt in "Contact".
    High Speed 1 and 2??
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795

    Ben M.. lets reduce this to basics...

    In 2010... Your party left a massive pile of turd outside No 10 and left the incoming Govt with a single teaspoon to get rid of it. Such a task takes time, but it doesn't alter the fact that Labour were responsible for the pile of turd in the first place.
    Lecturing on the slowness of the removal just makes Labour look stupid and economically illiterate. which of course they are.

    Er, George has brought a sodding great dane and increased the size of the pile!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,016
    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Are we moving to the far more sensible Scottish system or something like it ?
    That nice house I wanted to buy?

    Just got £250,000 more expensive.

    Thanks George.
    £8M or so ? Nice.
    It's an aspiration, not a reality!

    (But £5m - assuming I've got my numbers right! - will buy a fairly basic house with a patch of garden in my area)

    Here's a good example: £5m. 2,500 sq foot. 4bed, 3 bath + garage. South of the High Street (so less smart) and next to a railway line.

    http://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/33637505?search_identifier=5ff527aebb70607e2eb13466b69042bc#T0OZFTmWTHpu07c7.97

    Damn. I clicked on the link and now, when I am trying to complete my online shopping at Lidl, I will have multi-million pound Kensington houses flashing up for sale on my computer.
    LOL. I bought a washing machine online and was plagued with adverts for them for over a month.
    Someone once complained to OGH that his site really shouldn't have ads for Roumanians mail order brides....and then disappeared after it was pointed out why he was seeing them.
    I'd forgotten that. Excellent.
    That is a classic
    Is it true though or myth?

    I am getting adverts for solar energy, IT equipment and alzheimers association, and I haven't looked up any of these things, not that I would be embarrassed if I had
    Oh its definitely true, Google has some seriously smart technology to pick up what you have been searching online and feed that into their advertising. Try it. Search for something you would never buy like cat food or a room in Bedford and watch what happens to your adverts.
    Ha! The cat just read that and meowed!

    I am getting the London School of beauty and make up now? Maybe they are 70% generic and 30% specific
    That's a very smart cat. Does he or she place bets?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,016
    Ben Stokes once again going for a Dernbach. Just as well he can bat.
  • RobD said:

    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Are we moving to the far more sensible Scottish system or something like it ?
    That nice house I wanted to buy?

    Just got £250,000 more expensive.

    Thanks George.
    £8M or so ? Nice.
    It's an aspiration, not a reality!

    (But £5m - assuming I've got my numbers right! - will buy a fairly basic house with a patch of garden in my area)

    Here's a good example: £5m. 2,500 sq foot. 4bed, 3 bath + garage. South of the High Street (so less smart) and next to a railway line.

    http://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/33637505?search_identifier=5ff527aebb70607e2eb13466b69042bc#T0OZFTmWTHpu07c7.97

    Damn. I clicked on the link and now, when I am trying to complete my online shopping at Lidl, I will have multi-million pound Kensington houses flashing up for sale on my computer.
    LOL. I bought a washing machine online and was plagued with adverts for them for over a month.
    Someone once complained to OGH that his site really shouldn't have ads for Roumanians mail order brides....and then disappeared after it was pointed out why he was seeing them.
    I'd forgotten that. Excellent.
    That is a classic
    Is it true though or myth?

    I am getting adverts for solar energy, IT equipment and alzheimers association, and I haven't looked up any of these things, not that I would be embarrassed if I had
    Oh its definitely true, Google has some seriously smart technology to pick up what you have been searching online and feed that into their advertising. Try it. Search for something you would never buy like cat food or a room in Bedford and watch what happens to your adverts.
    Ha! The cat just read that and meowed!

    I am getting the London School of beauty and make up now? Maybe they are 70% generic and 30% specific
    Nine times out of ten I get adverts for underwear.
    Crossover or Crossdresser?

    :)
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    BenM said:

    Ben M.. lets reduce this to basics...

    In 2010... Your party left a massive pile of turd outside No 10 and left the incoming Govt with a single teaspoon to get rid of it. Such a task takes time, but it doesn't alter the fact that Labour were responsible for the pile of turd in the first place.
    Lecturing on the slowness of the removal just makes Labour look stupid and economically illiterate. which of course they are.

    Er, George has brought a sodding great dane and increased the size of the pile!
    Based on the fact that cutting spending by or increasing taxation by 275 billion or whatever the figure was in one year would be the cause of riots, unrest and revolution.

    Smart guy, George, he saw the trap left there.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,034

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Are we moving to the far more sensible Scottish system or something like it ?
    That nice house I wanted to buy?

    Just got £250,000 more expensive.

    Thanks George.
    £8M or so ? Nice.
    It's an aspiration, not a reality!

    (But £5m - assuming I've got my numbers right! - will buy a fairly basic house with a patch of garden in my area)

    Here's a good example: £5m. 2,500 sq foot. 4bed, 3 bath + garage. South of the High Street (so less smart) and next to a railway line.

    http://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/33637505?search_identifier=5ff527aebb70607e2eb13466b69042bc#T0OZFTmWTHpu07c7.97

    Damn. I clicked on the link and now, when I am trying to complete my online shopping at Lidl, I will have multi-million pound Kensington houses flashing up for sale on my computer.
    LOL. I bought a washing machine online and was plagued with adverts for them for over a month.
    Someone once complained to OGH that his site really shouldn't have ads for Roumanians mail order brides....and then disappeared after it was pointed out why he was seeing them.
    I'd forgotten that. Excellent.
    That is a classic
    Is it true though or myth?

    I am getting adverts for solar energy, IT equipment and alzheimers association, and I haven't looked up any of these things, not that I would be embarrassed if I had
    Oh its definitely true, Google has some seriously smart technology to pick up what you have been searching online and feed that into their advertising. Try it. Search for something you would never buy like cat food or a room in Bedford and watch what happens to your adverts.
    Ha! The cat just read that and meowed!

    I am getting the London School of beauty and make up now? Maybe they are 70% generic and 30% specific
    Nine times out of ten I get adverts for underwear.
    Crossover or Crossdresser?

    :)
    Heh. No, the slogan is always "wear better underwear" (what's wrong with my current lot anyway??)

    They should have gone with "semper ubi, sub ubi". I'd have definitely considered buying some then ;)
  • DavidL said:

    Ben Stokes once again going for a Dernbach. Just as well he can bat.

    Don't say his name.

    He's like Beetlejuice, say his name three times, and the selectors will pick him again
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    DavidL said:

    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Are we moving to the far more sensible Scottish system or something like it ?
    That nice house I wanted to buy?

    Just got £250,000 more expensive.

    Thanks George.
    £8M or so ? Nice.
    It's an aspiration, not a reality!

    (But £5m - assuming I've got my numbers right! - will buy a fairly basic house with a patch of garden in my area)

    Here's a good example: £5m. 2,500 sq foot. 4bed, 3 bath + garage. South of the High Street (so less smart) and next to a railway line.

    http://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/33637505?search_identifier=5ff527aebb70607e2eb13466b69042bc#T0OZFTmWTHpu07c7.97

    Damn. I clicked on the link and now, when I am trying to complete my online shopping at Lidl, I will have multi-million pound Kensington houses flashing up for sale on my computer.
    LOL. I bought a washing machine online and was plagued with adverts for them for over a month.
    Someone once complained to OGH that his site really shouldn't have ads for Roumanians mail order brides....and then disappeared after it was pointed out why he was seeing them.
    I'd forgotten that. Excellent.
    That is a classic
    Is it true though or myth?

    I am getting adverts for solar energy, IT equipment and alzheimers association, and I haven't looked up any of these things, not that I would be embarrassed if I had
    Oh its definitely true, Google has some seriously smart technology to pick up what you have been searching online and feed that into their advertising. Try it. Search for something you would never buy like cat food or a room in Bedford and watch what happens to your adverts.
    Ha! The cat just read that and meowed!

    I am getting the London School of beauty and make up now? Maybe they are 70% generic and 30% specific
    That's a very smart cat. Does he or she place bets?
    Nah he is too busy looking good!

    He follows me down the street when I go out though, bit weird... more like a dog
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Are we moving to the far more sensible Scottish system or something like it ?
    That nice house I wanted to buy?

    Just got £250,000 more expensive.

    Thanks George.
    £8M or so ? Nice.
    It's an aspiration, not a reality!

    (But £5m - assuming I've got my numbers right! - will buy a fairly basic house with a patch of garden in my area)

    Here's a good example: £5m. 2,500 sq foot. 4bed, 3 bath + garage. South of the High Street (so less smart) and next to a railway line.

    http://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/33637505?search_identifier=5ff527aebb70607e2eb13466b69042bc#T0OZFTmWTHpu07c7.97

    Charles, my dear fellow: may I suggest West Hampstead - which has all the advantages of Hampstead but without, I'm glad to say its current vulgarity - (and I should know I grew up there when it was populated by real people), is close to St John's Wood, is a mere 15 minutes walk from the Heath, has good transport links and still has ordinary high streets rather than a gazillion shoe shops and overpriced patisseries. It is close to good schools and if you go to the right church you can bend the ear of the BoE governor!

    What's more the houses are cheaper and, judging by those photos, the bedrooms and gardens are larger. Mine certainly are. There is also a sense of community since people tend not to move house very often so you do know your neighbours.

    And it is easy to escape up the M1 for the delights of the Lake District.
    Every time I suggest somewhere that isn't Kensington my wife counters with "How about California?"

    #firstworldproblems
    I feel your pain!

  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    Pretty positive reporting from bbc

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30307528

    State of the economy

    UK fastest growing economy in the G7

    3% growth forecast in 2014, up from 2.7% predicted in March

    2.4% growth forecast in 2015, followed by 2.2%, 2.4%, 2.3% and 2.3% in the following four years

    500,000 new jobs created this year. 85% of new jobs full-time

    Unemployment set to fall to 5.4% in 2015

    Inflation predicted to be 1.5% in 2014, falling to 1.2% in 2015

    Public borrowing/deficit

    Deficit 'cut in half' since 2010

    Borrowing set to fall from £97.5bn in 2013-14 to £91.3bn in 2014-15.

    Deficit projected to fall to £75.9bn in 2015, £40.9bn in 2016, £14.5bn in 2017 before reaching a £4bn surplus in 2018

    By 2019-20 Britain will have a surplus of £23bn

    Debt as a share of GDP to rise from 80.4% this year to 81.1% next year before falling in every year. reaching 72.8% in 2019-20

    Tax receipts up to 2017-18 forecast to be £23bn lower than predicted

    World War One debt to be repaid

    considering where we were in 2010 whats to moan about?

    would labour have really done any better?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    BenM said:

    Ben M.. lets reduce this to basics...

    In 2010... Your party left a massive pile of turd outside No 10 and left the incoming Govt with a single teaspoon to get rid of it. Such a task takes time, but it doesn't alter the fact that Labour were responsible for the pile of turd in the first place.
    Lecturing on the slowness of the removal just makes Labour look stupid and economically illiterate. which of course they are.

    Er, George has brought a sodding great dane and increased the size of the pile!
    The only story in town at the moment is the one that stopped you in your tracks also: stamp duty.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    edited December 2014
    "By 2019-20 Britain will have a surplus of £23bn"

    I'll be watching this one...

  • kjohnw said:

    Pretty positive reporting from bbc

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30307528

    State of the economy

    UK fastest growing economy in the G7

    3% growth forecast in 2014, up from 2.7% predicted in March

    2.4% growth forecast in 2015, followed by 2.2%, 2.4%, 2.3% and 2.3% in the following four years

    500,000 new jobs created this year. 85% of new jobs full-time

    Unemployment set to fall to 5.4% in 2015

    Inflation predicted to be 1.5% in 2014, falling to 1.2% in 2015

    Public borrowing/deficit

    Deficit 'cut in half' since 2010

    Borrowing set to fall from £97.5bn in 2013-14 to £91.3bn in 2014-15.

    Deficit projected to fall to £75.9bn in 2015, £40.9bn in 2016, £14.5bn in 2017 before reaching a £4bn surplus in 2018

    By 2019-20 Britain will have a surplus of £23bn

    Debt as a share of GDP to rise from 80.4% this year to 81.1% next year before falling in every year. reaching 72.8% in 2019-20

    Tax receipts up to 2017-18 forecast to be £23bn lower than predicted

    World War One debt to be repaid

    considering where we were in 2010 whats to moan about?

    would labour have really done any better?

    Fantastic tractor stats, Comrade! You'll receive the Order of Lenin for this!
  • I get some very weird adverts on PB

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqzW3wQCMAEuW9z.jpg:large
  • Where the Scots lead Osborne follows. It was about blooming time they reformed stamp duty.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Someone emailed the BBC to say their sdlt was up 66%. Is that possible and if so at what amount?

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Is SMERSH alive ?
  • It seems to me that as we have become ever more globalized, the notion of where a company is located for tax purposes is becoming ever more redundant. The only other way to base things is upon where a customer is located, as they can't just up and leave very easily.

    Not enough revenue to worry about it yet but I'm running an online service where I don't have the faintest idea where the customer is located. All I know is that somebody sent bitcoins to a particular address - they may not even have visited my website...
  • "A fire risk assessment is required by law for all organisations in the UK with five employees or more."

    Good thing, or bad thing?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Needs old stamp duty overlaid on top to show the insane system that England is leaving behind.
  • Grandiose said:

    Someone emailed the BBC to say their sdlt was up 66%. Is that possible and if so at what amount?

    At a £23m purchase price, you would have paid £1.61m and now would pay £2,673,750 - an increase of 66.1%.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Why were we still paying for World War I, one hundred years on?

    Shouldn't we have forced the vile Hun to pay it.

    "George, the British Empire at present covers a quarter of the globe, while the German Empire consists of a small sausage factory in Tanganyika. I hardly think that we can be entirely absolved of blame on the imperialistic front."
    Yay someone got the reference.
    Richard Curtis was at the table next to me in a restaurant last night. Some of his dining partners were a bit "mwah, mwah, daaarling' but he seemed (relatively) normal.
  • SNP suspends councillors over burning of Smith commission report

    Nicola Sturgeon says Renfrewshire councillors’ ‘unacceptable’ actions fall short of high standards expected by the public

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/03/snp-suspends-renfrewshire-councillors-burning-smith-commission-report-sturgeon
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624

    It seems to me that as we have become ever more globalized, the notion of where a company is located for tax purposes is becoming ever more redundant. The only other way to base things is upon where a customer is located, as they can't just up and leave very easily.

    Not enough revenue to worry about it yet but I'm running an online service where I don't have the faintest idea where the customer is located. All I know is that somebody sent bitcoins to a particular address - they may not even have visited my website...
    I wouldn't make admissions like that on pb.com - you don't want to end up like Ross William Ulbricht.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    TGOHF said:

    Alistair said:

    Weren't the Scottish Conservatives tweeting a bunch of complaints about the SNP Stamp Duty reform?

    The break even points are very different 250k vs 900 k - and one is a tax cut, the other not.

    Will the SNP be huffing when sales of high value houses get rushed through before the spring thus denying the SNP revenue ? Titter.
    330k was the Scottish break even point.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited December 2014

    It seems to me that as we have become ever more globalized, the notion of where a company is located for tax purposes is becoming ever more redundant. The only other way to base things is upon where a customer is located, as they can't just up and leave very easily.

    Not enough revenue to worry about it yet but I'm running an online service where I don't have the faintest idea where the customer is located. All I know is that somebody sent bitcoins to a particular address - they may not even have visited my website...
    Well thats the next problem. If Bitcoins (or some other decentralized currency) becomes the norm, then even more difficult, as then authorities don't have a clue where the money comes from.

    I would think that most big businesses will be forced to use some sort of way of checking location of purchaser. For Amazon say, it is pretty obvious, you aren't going to have your tv delivered to a different country to the one you live in, but for online services yes very difficult.

    However, for example with online gambling, the condition of their operating license is that they have to cover all this, and if they don't have people properly located etc, they could lose it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    Amusingly, I'm just reading a Morgan Stanley economics report, and they have just cut their 2015 and 2016 UK GDP growth forecasts to 2.5% and 1.9%...

    I wonder who'll be right :-)
  • It seems to me that as we have become ever more globalized, the notion of where a company is located for tax purposes is becoming ever more redundant. The only other way to base things is upon where a customer is located, as they can't just up and leave very easily.

    Not enough revenue to worry about it yet but I'm running an online service where I don't have the faintest idea where the customer is located. All I know is that somebody sent bitcoins to a particular address - they may not even have visited my website...
    Do you accept BitCamerons?

    :)
  • rcs1000 said:

    Amusingly, I'm just reading a Morgan Stanley economics report, and they have just cut their 2015 and 2016 UK GDP growth forecasts to 2.5% and 1.9%...

    I wonder who'll be right :-)

    Well, they have to take into account the risk of Labour winning... ;-)
  • Good afternoon, everyone.

    Didn't watch the Autumn [December isn't autumnal...] Statement but just checked the main announcements on the BBC. Doesn't seem to be anything to be worried about. I didn't miss anything, did I?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,016
    edited December 2014
    rcs1000 said:

    Amusingly, I'm just reading a Morgan Stanley economics report, and they have just cut their 2015 and 2016 UK GDP growth forecasts to 2.5% and 1.9%...

    I wonder who'll be right :-)

    2.4% to 2.5% for next year is not anything to argue about. Growth forecasts more than 12 months in the future are there to be used as evidence that economists have a sense of humour.
  • Here's a graph of the effective stamp-duty rate (ie % of purchase price going to George) old vs new:

    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/12/3/1417617338126/65fad949-69ed-49a5-9d00-79300be4596f-620x441.png
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Alistair said:

    TGOHF said:

    Alistair said:

    Weren't the Scottish Conservatives tweeting a bunch of complaints about the SNP Stamp Duty reform?

    The break even points are very different 250k vs 900 k - and one is a tax cut, the other not.

    Will the SNP be huffing when sales of high value houses get rushed through before the spring thus denying the SNP revenue ? Titter.
    330k was the Scottish break even point.
    Still a huge difference - and there be a huge rush to move house before the SNP scheme comes in.

  • Yesterday the algorithms saw me following politics from Japan in election season and figured I might need a large loudspeaker and a magnet to attach it to the roof of my car.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B32lAPFCUAAWFvh.png
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046

    Here's a graph of the effective stamp-duty rate (ie % of purchase price going to George) old vs new:

    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/12/3/1417617338126/65fad949-69ed-49a5-9d00-79300be4596f-620x441.png

    It's crowded out every other nuance and percentage point of the AS.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited December 2014
    Here is a question....

    With new stamp duty rates, will Labour / Lib Dem's still propose to introduce a Mansion Tax on top? Or promise to go back to old system of stepped stamp duty? Or some middle way fudge?

    Osborne really is "Continuity-Brown" when it comes to politics of being chancellor.
  • rcs1000 said:

    It seems to me that as we have become ever more globalized, the notion of where a company is located for tax purposes is becoming ever more redundant. The only other way to base things is upon where a customer is located, as they can't just up and leave very easily.

    Not enough revenue to worry about it yet but I'm running an online service where I don't have the faintest idea where the customer is located. All I know is that somebody sent bitcoins to a particular address - they may not even have visited my website...
    I wouldn't make admissions like that on pb.com - you don't want to end up like Ross William Ulbricht.
    Right now I'm more worried about lizard-people-related issues. Today somebody paid me to verify whether George H W Bush was leader of the KKK.
    https://www.realitykeys.com/freebase/982/
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Didn't watch the Autumn [December isn't autumnal...] Statement but just checked the main announcements on the BBC. Doesn't seem to be anything to be worried about. I didn't miss anything, did I?

    It's still autumn, in fact late summer, in my garden. Summer flowers are still flowering and I have snowdrops also flowering and the Christmas camellias about to burst into flower.

    One year I had both jasmine and a sunflower still flowering at Xmas.

    The joys of West Hampstead gardens!! Bet you don't get that in California, eh Charles?

  • rcs1000 said:

    Amusingly, I'm just reading a Morgan Stanley economics report, and they have just cut their 2015 and 2016 UK GDP growth forecasts to 2.5% and 1.9%...

    I wonder who'll be right :-)

    Morgan Stanley's 2007 UK forecast;

    "We reduce our central forecast for 2008 GDP growth from 2.2% to 2%. We expect stronger growth in 2009, but still sub-trend (2.3%)."

    Isn't it about time you realized that their cogitations are worthless ?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    With new stamp duty rates, will Labour / Lib Dem's still propose to introduce a Mansion Tax on top?

    Yes. Balls has already said so
  • Scott_P said:

    With new stamp duty rates, will Labour / Lib Dem's still propose to introduce a Mansion Tax on top?

    Yes. Balls has already said so
    Crickey soak the rich doubled, while little old granny still get stiffed as well.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited December 2014
    If you are buying a house under £250k in Scotland then there is no difference

    Over £250k : £1M : Scotland 10% marginal,
    Over £250k : £925k : rUk 5% marginal

    rUk then has a 10% band.

    Over £1.5M there is no difference 12%

    So if you are buying a house between £250-£999k in Scotland do it now before the SNP hammer you with double stamp duty.

  • Good afternoon, everyone.

    Didn't watch the Autumn [December isn't autumnal...] Statement but just checked the main announcements on the BBC. Doesn't seem to be anything to be worried about. I didn't miss anything, did I?

    Arguably early December is a lot less like winter than early March.

    I wouldn't describe the present weather as particularly wintry - though winds will turn to come from the north by the weekend.
  • Miss Cyclefree, I remember seeing on the news about the mild weather producing a bumper crop of strawberries.

    Much nicer than those polar winters we suffered recently.
  • Looks like Cook is going to miss the next ODI.

    Huzzah
  • Mr. Me, the ground was frosty and frozen this morning. It was pretty wintry.
  • It seems to me that as we have become ever more globalized, the notion of where a company is located for tax purposes is becoming ever more redundant. The only other way to base things is upon where a customer is located, as they can't just up and leave very easily.

    Not enough revenue to worry about it yet but I'm running an online service where I don't have the faintest idea where the customer is located. All I know is that somebody sent bitcoins to a particular address - they may not even have visited my website...
    Well thats the next problem. If Bitcoins (or some other decentralized currency) becomes the norm, then even more difficult, as then authorities don't have a clue where the money comes from.

    I would think that most big businesses will be forced to use some sort of way of checking location of purchaser. For Amazon say, it is pretty obvious, you aren't going to have your tv delivered to a different country to the one you live in, but for online services yes very difficult.

    However, for example with online gambling, the condition of their operating license is that they have to cover all this, and if they don't have people properly located etc, they could lose it.
    Gambling sites are going to end up being run by something between a multinational corporation and a computer virus. Not only will it not know where its customers are, it won't be incorporated anywhere.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Miss Cyclefree, I remember seeing on the news about the mild weather producing a bumper crop of strawberries.

    Much nicer than those polar winters we suffered recently.

    Global warming in action, eh, Morris.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    this APD cut for kids - will the Uk tourist industry suffer ?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    TGOHF said:

    this APD cut for kids - will the Uk tourist industry suffer ?

    Any increase in outbound traffic should be compensated for by an increase in inbound. The latter tends to spend more, so that's a net plus, I'd have thought.
  • Mr. Anorak, one of the many joys of global warming is that whenever the weather's remotely interesting someone claims it's evidence that an entirely unproven theory's correct. It's like Goodness Gracious Me's Mister India.

    Hot weather - global warming
    Cold weather - global warming
    Rainy weather - global warming
    Dry weather - global warming

    I realise you're probably pulling my leg, but I'm procrastinating because I'm not quite sure how to proceed with a certain little story. So I've indulged your silliness, even though you're a bounder.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    kjohnw said:

    Pretty positive reporting from bbc

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30307528

    State of the economy

    UK fastest growing economy in the G7

    3% growth forecast in 2014, up from 2.7% predicted in March

    2.4% growth forecast in 2015, followed by 2.2%, 2.4%, 2.3% and 2.3% in the following four years

    500,000 new jobs created this year. 85% of new jobs full-time

    Unemployment set to fall to 5.4% in 2015

    Inflation predicted to be 1.5% in 2014, falling to 1.2% in 2015

    Public borrowing/deficit

    Deficit 'cut in half' since 2010

    Borrowing set to fall from £97.5bn in 2013-14 to £91.3bn in 2014-15.

    Deficit projected to fall to £75.9bn in 2015, £40.9bn in 2016, £14.5bn in 2017 before reaching a £4bn surplus in 2018

    By 2019-20 Britain will have a surplus of £23bn

    Debt as a share of GDP to rise from 80.4% this year to 81.1% next year before falling in every year. reaching 72.8% in 2019-20

    Tax receipts up to 2017-18 forecast to be £23bn lower than predicted

    World War One debt to be repaid

    considering where we were in 2010 whats to moan about?

    would labour have really done any better?

    Fantastic tractor stats, Comrade! You'll receive the Order of Lenin for this!
    So the economy and the government are doing well then...? You will have to work harder than that poor effort to justify yourself in your own soviet-style fantasy world.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326

    Scott_P said:

    With new stamp duty rates, will Labour / Lib Dem's still propose to introduce a Mansion Tax on top?

    Yes. Balls has already said so
    Crickey soak the rich doubled, while little old granny still get stiffed as well.
    It will be interesting to see what the effect of the stamp duty changes will be on the value of houses above £1 mio. Will prices fall, which you might expect if buyers have to pay so much extra tax on top of the purchase price?

    And, if so, that might throw out Labour's calculations on how many properties there will be above the £2 mio threshold to raise the sorts of sums they say they will raise.

    It raises the possibility - and I wonder if this was in Osborne's mind - that in order to raise the sums they want Labour will have to reduce the threshold thus - potentially - making it more politically toxic for them.



  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Mr. Anorak, one of the many joys of global warming is that whenever the weather's remotely interesting someone claims it's evidence that an entirely unproven theory's correct. It's like Goodness Gracious Me's Mister India.

    Hot weather - global warming
    Cold weather - global warming
    Rainy weather - global warming
    Dry weather - global warming

    I realise you're probably pulling my leg, but I'm procrastinating because I'm not quite sure how to proceed with a certain little story. So I've indulged your silliness, even though you're a bounder.

    I was indeed teasing. I would point out, though, that every snowflake is pointed to by AGW deniers as 'proof' there is no warming happening. It's a deliberate (or uneducated) trait on both sides of the issue.
  • Mr. Anorak, indeed.

    *points furiously* "Look! Weather! This proves I'm right!"

    Miss Cyclefree, not necessarily. Given Labour claims it'd raise £3bn and others think that's a crock, Labour might just as well keep the fantasy forecast the same rather than take the certain political hit that would occur if they lowered the threshold.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited December 2014

    SNP suspends councillors over burning of Smith commission report

    Nicola Sturgeon says Renfrewshire councillors’ ‘unacceptable’ actions fall short of high standards expected by the public

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/03/snp-suspends-renfrewshire-councillors-burning-smith-commission-report-sturgeon

    "Smart move or just a bit silly?"

    On reflection, I have opted for bloody daft and sackable... ; )
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited December 2014
    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_P said:

    With new stamp duty rates, will Labour / Lib Dem's still propose to introduce a Mansion Tax on top?

    Yes. Balls has already said so
    Crickey soak the rich doubled, while little old granny still get stiffed as well.
    It will be interesting to see what the effect of the stamp duty changes will be on the value of houses above £1 mio. Will prices fall, which you might expect if buyers have to pay so much extra tax on top of the purchase price?

    And, if so, that might throw out Labour's calculations on how many properties there will be above the £2 mio threshold to raise the sorts of sums they say they will raise.

    It raises the possibility - and I wonder if this was in Osborne's mind - that in order to raise the sums they want Labour will have to reduce the threshold thus - potentially - making it more politically toxic for them.



    I am not sure that house prices will fall with Osborne's tax rise. There is such a cryonic shortage of big houses, and unlike mansion tax there is far less incentive for properties around the boundaries to be marked down to say £999,999, rather than £1.x million, or £1.999999 mil vs £2.x million (which Labour's Mansion Tax would have).
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Crickey soak the rich doubled, while little old granny still get stiffed as well.

    Modern politicians of all stripes cannot abide people being comfortably off. They see us as a wolf sees a flock of sheep.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,341
    TGOHF said:

    Alistair said:

    Weren't the Scottish Conservatives tweeting a bunch of complaints about the SNP Stamp Duty reform?

    The break even points are very different 250k vs 900 k - and one is a tax cut, the other not.

    Will the SNP be huffing when sales of high value houses get rushed through before the spring thus denying the SNP revenue ? Titter.
    Different principle - graduated, not doorstep thesholds.

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Yesterday the algorithms saw me following politics from Japan in election season and figured I might need a large loudspeaker and a magnet to attach it to the roof of my car.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B32lAPFCUAAWFvh.png
    The Spectator did a wonderful article on the topic a few weeks ago - it was the column by the VC of Oglivie & Mather (forgot his name).

    A buddy of his bought a lightweight climbing rope...Amazon came up with an autosuggestion of a black balaclava, baseball bat and heavy duty tape...
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Yesterday the algorithms saw me following politics from Japan in election season and figured I might need a large loudspeaker and a magnet to attach it to the roof of my car.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B32lAPFCUAAWFvh.png
    After I bought a fridge, for weeks I had fridge adverts. A bit pointless as I had a brand spanking new one!

    While underwear adverts never lose my interest.

    The alogarithim needs refining!
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    And, if so, that might throw out Labour's calculations on how many properties there will be above the £2 mio threshold to raise the sorts of sums they say they will raise.

    So many properties these days have extra bits tacked on, or outbuildings, or conservatories in a desperate bid for more lebensraum

    Who would want to trade up, in this climate...???
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Carnyx said:

    TGOHF said:

    Alistair said:

    Weren't the Scottish Conservatives tweeting a bunch of complaints about the SNP Stamp Duty reform?

    The break even points are very different 250k vs 900 k - and one is a tax cut, the other not.

    Will the SNP be huffing when sales of high value houses get rushed through before the spring thus denying the SNP revenue ? Titter.
    Different principle - graduated, not doorstep thesholds.

    So if you are buying a £500k house in Edinburgh - what is the stamp duty in April and then May ?

  • kjohnw said:

    Pretty positive reporting from bbc

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30307528

    State of the economy

    UK fastest growing economy in the G7

    3% growth forecast in 2014, up from 2.7% predicted in March

    2.4% growth forecast in 2015, followed by 2.2%, 2.4%, 2.3% and 2.3% in the following four years

    500,000 new jobs created this year. 85% of new jobs full-time

    Unemployment set to fall to 5.4% in 2015

    Inflation predicted to be 1.5% in 2014, falling to 1.2% in 2015

    Public borrowing/deficit

    Deficit 'cut in half' since 2010

    Borrowing set to fall from £97.5bn in 2013-14 to £91.3bn in 2014-15.

    Deficit projected to fall to £75.9bn in 2015, £40.9bn in 2016, £14.5bn in 2017 before reaching a £4bn surplus in 2018

    By 2019-20 Britain will have a surplus of £23bn

    Debt as a share of GDP to rise from 80.4% this year to 81.1% next year before falling in every year. reaching 72.8% in 2019-20

    Tax receipts up to 2017-18 forecast to be £23bn lower than predicted

    World War One debt to be repaid

    considering where we were in 2010 whats to moan about?

    would labour have really done any better?

    Fantastic tractor stats, Comrade! You'll receive the Order of Lenin for this!
    So the economy and the government are doing well then...? You will have to work harder than that poor effort to justify yourself in your own soviet-style fantasy world.
    [sigh] *Avery would have got the joke*
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Cyclefree said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Didn't watch the Autumn [December isn't autumnal...] Statement but just checked the main announcements on the BBC. Doesn't seem to be anything to be worried about. I didn't miss anything, did I?

    It's still autumn, in fact late summer, in my garden. Summer flowers are still flowering and I have snowdrops also flowering and the Christmas camellias about to burst into flower.

    One year I had both jasmine and a sunflower still flowering at Xmas.

    The joys of West Hampstead gardens!! Bet you don't get that in California, eh Charles?

    In California it's summer all year round...

    (Actually, I would miss the seasons - early autumn is my favourite. But it doesn't help with the marketing spin...)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410

    kjohnw said:

    Pretty positive reporting from bbc

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30307528

    State of the economy

    UK fastest growing economy in the G7

    3% growth forecast in 2014, up from 2.7% predicted in March

    2.4% growth forecast in 2015, followed by 2.2%, 2.4%, 2.3% and 2.3% in the following four years

    500,000 new jobs created this year. 85% of new jobs full-time

    Unemployment set to fall to 5.4% in 2015

    Inflation predicted to be 1.5% in 2014, falling to 1.2% in 2015

    Public borrowing/deficit

    Deficit 'cut in half' since 2010

    Borrowing set to fall from £97.5bn in 2013-14 to £91.3bn in 2014-15.

    Deficit projected to fall to £75.9bn in 2015, £40.9bn in 2016, £14.5bn in 2017 before reaching a £4bn surplus in 2018

    By 2019-20 Britain will have a surplus of £23bn

    Debt as a share of GDP to rise from 80.4% this year to 81.1% next year before falling in every year. reaching 72.8% in 2019-20

    Tax receipts up to 2017-18 forecast to be £23bn lower than predicted

    World War One debt to be repaid

    considering where we were in 2010 whats to moan about?

    would labour have really done any better?

    Fantastic tractor stats, Comrade! You'll receive the Order of Lenin for this!
    So the economy and the government are doing well then...? You will have to work harder than that poor effort to justify yourself in your own soviet-style fantasy world.
    [sigh] *Avery would have got the joke*
    I was rather hoping he'd return today :(
  • taffys said:

    Crickey soak the rich doubled, while little old granny still get stiffed as well.

    Modern politicians of all stripes cannot abide people being comfortably off. They see us as a wolf sees a flock of sheep.

    On the contrary, the government wolf has not collected sufficient tax from the sheep to pay for what it has spent on the sheep's health, welfare and education.
  • New election in Sweden on March 22nd. The socialist comeback lasted about 10 minutes. Couldn't even pass a budget.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    TGOHF said:

    this APD cut for kids - will the Uk tourist industry suffer ?

    Danny Alexander was just on Radio 5 - a woman was wanting a cut of 5% to VAT on tourism-related items to help the UK torusim industry.

    Danny pipes up and says he is not convinced by the cut to VAT. He claims he has helped tourism by the APD cut.

    Yes Danny. In fecking THAILAND!

    Jeez....what have these politicians got for brains?
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,000
    Interesting point in the Autumn Statement:
    "1.100
    The Smith Commission has confirmed the Barnett formula will continue to be used to
    determine changes in the Scottish Government’s block grant in relation to public services. A
    deduction will be applied to the block grant to reflect the Scottish Government’s tax powers.
    As a result, the importance of the Barnett formula will effectively be reduced by around two-
    thirds, with changes in the Scottish Government’s budget increasingly determined by changes in Scottish tax receipts."

    As the Barnett Formula is AFAIK the only measure designed to bring about gradual convergence of Scottish and UK levels of public expenditure, this means essentially those differences will last far longer (unless the Tories have other plans.....).

    Labour meanwhile have committed themselves to a wholesale overhaul of assessing regional needs and spending levels should they win the election - could be a big stick to beat them with here in Scotland During the GE2015 campaign.
  • The consensus is that this was a bravura performance from Ed Balls, backed up by the OBR statistics.Even Andrew Neil called Osborne's long term projection of a surplus as being 'Shangrila land'
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    Yesterday the algorithms saw me following politics from Japan in election season and figured I might need a large loudspeaker and a magnet to attach it to the roof of my car.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B32lAPFCUAAWFvh.png
    After I bought a fridge, for weeks I had fridge adverts. A bit pointless as I had a brand spanking new one!

    While underwear adverts never lose my interest.

    The alogarithim needs refining!
    While they can see that you've been looking at fridges, I'm not sure if they can directly collect that you'd bought one.
  • Mr. Pulpstar, the day isn't over yet.
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