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edited December 2014 in General

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From YouGov: Voters much less confident about the economy than they were at March budget. pic.twitter.com/xpic7ULSYe

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  • First!
  • Declining confidence is a double-edged sword. Could make people doubt the competence of the Government, could make them more fearful of trusting the economy to people whom many blame for the current situation and who still lag behind the Conservatives in trust on the economy.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Huzzah for the Coalition

    Just saying ....
  • I wonder if declining economic confidence actually helps the Tories? 'Things are getting better, lets go back to nicer but less competent Labour' may have less traction. Its not like its clear that whatever the 'problem' is, 'Labour' is the answer.

    Interesting Labour MPs following a line on 'in the 2010 Conservative manifesto'.......Cameron has a decent reply 'after four and a half years, Labour finally want to talk about the economy.....'
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    Eurozone monetary trends picking up, commodity prices down and UK indicators still strong. Not sure why the economy is being talked down.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited December 2014
    Maso-Sadism

    It's almost made me wish tim was back
  • Declining confidence is a double-edged sword. Could make people doubt the competence of the Government, could make them more fearful of trusting the economy to people whom many blame for the current situation and who still lag behind the Conservatives in trust on the economy.

    I agree. We are back to the central issue with this election: nobody knows anything. It will certainly be one to stay up all night for!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited December 2014
    Oh dear, Dave missaid sadomasochism.
  • On topic, is Osborne still Chancellor and still popular.

    Which is a shock, because I thought he would have to quit after crying at Thatcher's funeral.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Was that a Malapropism or something more specific ?
  • Where can I get a batch of mind bleach from.

    I have this image of Ed Balls visiting the Mistress of Pain #CameronMustGo
  • On topic, is Osborne still Chancellor and still popular.

    Which is a shock, because I thought he would have to quit after crying at Thatcher's funeral.

    No! No! No! He had to resign because he sat in First Class on the train.....remember? Right after Cameron had to resign after riding a horse.....But that was all years ago, after the coalition collapsed in Autumn 2010......

  • TGOHF said:

    Was that a Malapropism or something more specific ?

    Or a freudian......

  • Denis strikes.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Twitter
    Sam Macrory ‏@sammacrory now4 seconds ago
    It's all gone 50 Shades of #PMQs: 'He obviously quite likes taking it as well" says David Cameron after accusing Ed Balls of "Masosadism."
  • Perhaps Dave didn't mis-speak.

    Urban Dictionary does have masosadist

    A person who derives pain out of being humiliated or hurt, but also derives pain from inflicting pain on another being. a person who has more tendencies towards masochism, but with underlying tones of sadism.

    A masosadist is a person who has more tendencies towards masochism, but with underlying tones of sadism.

    "I like being punished more, but I will sometimes punish someone else."

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=masosadist
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    That wasn't just a mispronunciation, it was a Prime Ministerial mispronunciation #M&S
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Denis strikes.

    Was there a ballot ?

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Perhaps Dave didn't mis-speak.

    Urban Dictionary does have masosadist

    A person who derives pain out of being humiliated or hurt, but also derives pain from inflicting pain on another being. a person who has more tendencies towards masochism, but with underlying tones of sadism.

    A masosadist is a person who has more tendencies towards masochism, but with underlying tones of sadism.

    "I like being punished more, but I will sometimes punish someone else."

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=masosadist

    Perhaps he did

    Emily Ashton ‏@elashton · 8m8 minutes ago
    "I meant to say masochism" David Cameron insists. #weirdestpmqsever #masosadism

  • How I've got visions of Ed Balls playing Christian Grey
  • JackW said:

    Denis strikes.

    Was there a ballot ?

    LOL. Not since 1984's miners strike.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Perhaps economic confidence is falling because people are worried about who might be running the country in six months time?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Sado monetarism.
  • Mary Creagh MP tweets: Cameron does a Spoonersim in sado masochism joke saying "maso-sadism." Then indulges puerile public schoolboy joke. If you're in a hole...

    Unfortunate payoff......
  • Clear Labour line across nearly all Labour MPs today 'Cameron broken promises'......
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    FPT:



    Unemployment is falling and close to the level where you would say it is 'full'. Its a bit pathetic to echo Ed Balls and moan about pay and 'zero hours'.

    There will always be a level of unemployed, due to the churn of jobs. Its not people on the register but people not on anything or on some other benefit who are the problem. Judging by Farage's attitude to women in the city I imagine that he would find most of these people unemployable.
    But this is the real UK problem, lack of education and willpower for the available work by these people. Its yet another savage Labour legacy. A disgrace. Thats why immigrant workers are so attractive to employers. These people are good for Britain and if Farage were honest he would admit they would still be here under a UKIP govt.
    Its not something that can be put right overnight. We can make life on benefits less attractive and thats what the govt will continue to do, but to make the people themselves a desirable employment proposition is a different matter.

    As I have said before I am not (yet) a kipper, and I firmly a pissed-off Tory at the moment, pissed off with Cameron that is. I know a number of my colleagues disagree, but as a teacher and part owner of a school I was a huge fan of Gove, and ditching him to pander to a group of leftie teachers that would never have voted Tory anyway was not clever, and symptomatic of Camerons whole approach, like ditching traditional Tory voters to pander to Guardian reader, who similarly would never vote Tory, he never seems to miss an opportunity to either make a pledge he is conspicuously not able to keep, or alienate a group of Tory voters to purse a group of other voters who would never vote Tory.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Mary Creagh MP tweets: Cameron does a Spoonersim in sado masochism joke saying "maso-sadism." Then indulges puerile public schoolboy joke. If you're in a hole...

    Unfortunate payoff......

    Spoonerism - that is correct definition not malapropism.

    Poor old Ed - he nicks a question off Nigel and it gets washed away in smut.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    isam said:

    Maso-Sadism

    It's almost made me wish tim was back

    Clearly Dave won't be missing any of those video entertainment topics that were banned yesterday.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    Osborne starts off by admitting that this Autumn statement, the last before an uncertain election, is actually going to tighten spending.

    Its politics Jim, but not as we know it.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300

    How I've got visions of Ed Balls playing Christian Grey

    As Theodore Roosevelt said: "If you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow."

    http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/54/messages/368.html
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534

    Where can I get a batch of mind bleach from.

    I have this image of Ed Balls visiting the Mistress of Pain #CameronMustGo

    The Mistress of Pain being Candy Atherton.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited December 2014
    Indigo said:

    FPT:



    Unemployment is falling and close to the level where you would say it is 'full'. Its a bit pathetic to echo Ed Balls and moan about pay and 'zero hours'.

    There will always be a level of unemployed, due to the churn of jobs. Its not people on the register but people not on anything or on some other benefit who are the problem. Judging by Farage's attitude to women in the city I imagine that he would find most of these people unemployable.
    But this is the real UK problem, lack of education and willpower for the available work by these people. Its yet another savage Labour legacy. A disgrace. Thats why immigrant workers are so attractive to employers. These people are good for Britain and if Farage were honest he would admit they would still be here under a UKIP govt.
    Its not something that can be put right overnight. We can make life on benefits less attractive and thats what the govt will continue to do, but to make the people themselves a desirable employment proposition is a different matter.

    As I have said before I am not (yet) a kipper, and I firmly a pissed-off Tory at the moment, pissed off with Cameron that is. I know a number of my colleagues disagree, but as a teacher and part owner of a school I was a huge fan of Gove, and ditching him to pander to a group of leftie teachers that would never have voted Tory anyway was not clever, and symptomatic of Camerons whole approach, like ditching traditional Tory voters to pander to Guardian reader, who similarly would never vote Tory, he never seems to miss an opportunity to either make a pledge he is conspicuously not able to keep, or alienate a group of Tory voters to purse a group of other voters who would never vote Tory.
    He is the only Tory leader to become PM since 1992. That's why the party loyalists ignore his broken promises, they just want their side to be in power
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Dave, you know when you legalised gay marriage and made that awesome speech telling the gay kid in the closet he could now stand tall?

    "He obviously quite likes taking it as well" snigger snigger.

    Yeah, language matters.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Deficit down this year and next 4 years lower than the budget.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    Looks like I was over optimistic in my belief that England could not lose a cricket match today.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    "OBR expects above-inflation rises in wages for next five years #AutumnStatement"

    Well that might be good news for the next government.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Pong said:

    Dave, you know when you legalised gay marriage and made that awesome speech telling the gay kid in the closet he could now stand tall?

    "He obviously quite likes taking it as well" snigger snigger.

    Yeah, language matters.

    Oh, I'm sorry, do gays own S&M? Who knew....

  • TGOHF said:

    Mary Creagh MP tweets: Cameron does a Spoonersim in sado masochism joke saying "maso-sadism." Then indulges puerile public schoolboy joke. If you're in a hole...

    Unfortunate payoff......

    Spoonerism - that is correct definition not malapropism.

    Poor old Ed - he nicks a question off Nigel and it gets washed away in smut.
    Nope, a spoonerism would have been (unamusingly) mado-sasochism.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    DavidL said:

    "OBR expects above-inflation rises in wages for next five years #AutumnStatement"

    Well that might be good news for the next government.

    or they had their fingers crossed when they said it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited December 2014
    Why were we still paying for World War I, one hundred years on?

    Shouldn't we have forced the vile Hun to pay it.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Nothing on train fares yet ? He's beelin'

    Ed Conway @EdConwaySky · 3m 3 minutes ago
    Say what you like, I'm still holding out for some actual new policies here #AS2014
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited December 2014
    Pong said:

    Dave, you know when you legalised gay marriage and made that awesome speech telling the gay kid in the closet he could now stand tall?

    "He obviously quite likes taking it as well" snigger snigger.

    Yeah, language matters.

    He voted for Section 28... in 2003

    Why would you think he was sincere about gay marriage rather than doing what he thought was politically expedient?

    He is suggesting treating Eastern European labourers as 2nd class citizens now, but I don't think he is really a social cleanser. He is just a follower of focus groups and opinion polls
  • Naughty from Osborne
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited December 2014
    New tax on multinational firms

    "This is big news. Big multinational businesses will "pay their fair share." To stop legal tax dodging, a new 25% tax on profits generated by multinationals - but from their activity in the UK - will be introduced if they would otherwise move the money out of the country to avoid UK tax."

    Lawyers / accountants toasting lots of extra work in the new year. Going to be interesting to see how this works / stands up to inspection and legal challenges.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Fallen off the back of an envelope mansion tax?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    ''public schoolboy joke'' Ed Balls would have got it then. As would Lord Bach
  • New Bank Tax

    New announcement: the amount of profit in established banks that can be offset by losses carried forward will be limited to 50%, and relief on bad debts delayed. That means banks should contribute almost £4 billion more in tax over the next five years.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    APD for children abolished ! Nice one.

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    isam said:

    Pong said:

    Dave, you know when you legalised gay marriage and made that awesome speech telling the gay kid in the closet he could now stand tall?

    "He obviously quite likes taking it as well" snigger snigger.

    Yeah, language matters.

    He is suggesting treating Eastern European labourers as 2nd class citizens now, but I don't think he is really a social cleanser. He is just a follower of focus groups and opinion polls
    AKA 'Doing a Farage'
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    Dave, you know when you legalised gay marriage and made that awesome speech telling the gay kid in the closet he could now stand tall?

    "He obviously quite likes taking it as well" snigger snigger.

    Yeah, language matters.

    He is suggesting treating Eastern European labourers as 2nd class citizens now, but I don't think he is really a social cleanser. He is just a follower of focus groups and opinion polls
    AKA 'Doing a Farage'
    The opposite actually
  • isam said:

    Why would you think he was sincere about gay marriage rather than doing what he thought was politically expedient?

    That's completely daft, it wasn't politically expedient. Quite the opposite, in fact.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    TGOHF said:

    APD for children abolished ! Nice one.

    Did you say the other day that "At least Boris hasn't changed his name" ?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited December 2014

    isam said:

    Why would you think he was sincere about gay marriage rather than doing what he thought was politically expedient?

    That's completely daft, it wasn't politically expedient. Quite the opposite, in fact.
    You are right that it didn't turn out as he expected but what I said was

    "what he thought was politically expedient?"
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    Why would you think he was sincere about gay marriage rather than doing what he thought was politically expedient?

    That's completely daft, it wasn't politically expedient. Quite the opposite, in fact.
    "what he thought was politically expedient?"
    Of course he didn't.

    Why can't you accept the blindingly obvious explanation, that he genuinely thought it was the right thing to do?
  • So the Kippers are the party that cares for the gays and immigrants.

    Okaaay
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Why would you think he was sincere about gay marriage rather than doing what he thought was politically expedient?

    That's completely daft, it wasn't politically expedient. Quite the opposite, in fact.
    You are right that it didn't turn out as he expected but what I said was

    "what he thought was politically expedient?"
    I don't think anyone in Number 10 thought gay marriage would be politically expedient. From what I can tell it is one of the few issues that Dave actually believes in which is why he pushed ahead despite the damage and probable loss of socially conservative voters to UKIP.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    So the Kippers are the party that cares for the gays and immigrants.

    Okaaay

    Nobody said that did they?
  • isam said:

    Why would you think he was sincere about gay marriage rather than doing what he thought was politically expedient?

    That's completely daft, it wasn't politically expedient. Quite the opposite, in fact.
    Exactly Richard - but you'll never satisfy Isam.

  • "National insurance abolished for young people doing apprenticeships."

    Excellent
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    isam said:

    TGOHF said:

    APD for children abolished ! Nice one.

    Did you say the other day that "At least Boris hasn't changed his name" ?
    Is he Brian now ? Give me strength.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    @isam Hows the bingo card looking :)
  • isam said:

    Why would you think he was sincere about gay marriage rather than doing what he thought was politically expedient?

    That's completely daft, it wasn't politically expedient. Quite the opposite, in fact.
    Look at the floods it caused.......

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    TGOHF said:

    APD for children abolished ! Nice one.

    Did you say the other day that "At least Boris hasn't changed his name" ?
    Is he Brian now ? Give me strength.
    I don't think Boris was his original name. But if that's what he wants to be called I see no reason to call him something else
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Why would you think he was sincere about gay marriage rather than doing what he thought was politically expedient?

    That's completely daft, it wasn't politically expedient. Quite the opposite, in fact.
    You are right that it didn't turn out as he expected but what I said was

    "what he thought was politically expedient?"
    I don't think anyone in Number 10 thought gay marriage would be politically expedient. From what I can tell it is one of the few issues that Dave actually believes in which is why he pushed ahead despite the damage and probable loss of socially conservative voters to UKIP.
    In 2003 he voted against repealing Section 28
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    edited December 2014
    Osborne abolishing SLAB....

    I thought that was the SNP's job?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited December 2014
    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Arhhhh "Mansion Tax" by back door....£1 million properties are going to get hit for more money. Attempting to shot Labour / Lib Dem fox, and giving people a tax cut at the bottom.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Are we moving to the far more sensible Scottish system or something like it ?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Indigo said:

    FPT:



    Unemployment is falling and close to the level where you would say it is 'full'. Its a bit pathetic to echo Ed Balls and moan about pay and 'zero hours'.

    ....

    As I have said before I am not (yet) a kipper, and I firmly a pissed-off Tory at the moment, pissed off with Cameron that is. I know a number of my colleagues disagree, but as a teacher and part owner of a school I was a huge fan of Gove, and ditching him to pander to a group of leftie teachers that would never have voted Tory anyway was not clever, and symptomatic of Camerons whole approach, like ditching traditional Tory voters to pander to Guardian reader, who similarly would never vote Tory, he never seems to miss an opportunity to either make a pledge he is conspicuously not able to keep, or alienate a group of Tory voters to purse a group of other voters who would never vote Tory.
    Gove forgot to speak softly as well as carry a big stick. He was the architect of his own demise - if you can call being chief whip and still a significant tory party mouthpiece a demise.
    The education policy has not changed.
    But Tory right wingers are all the same - I despair. Fox could still be in govt if he had limited himself to his job and not tried to promote himself as well as some foreign policy guru - and do it so painfully badly. Then there is Davis who clearly thought it a bettter idea to promote his own interest rather than the party and the country. They could be in govt making their points and making a difference.

    But lets be honest - I have little time for all this anti Cameron rhetoric - its way overdone and of course from the kipper perspective self serving. There is not a person in the country, the world, who makes a perfect political leader. If you want to complain you can - any fool can make an excuse to find fault where there are some issues which have no solution. In the main Cameron is doing a good job leading a coalition and trying to wipe up the mess made by Labour and cover for the absurities of his own right wing. You only need to look at the figures for job losses in the public sector to see where the govt are doing the right thing against left wing opposition.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Faisal Islam ‏@faisalislam 2 mins2 minutes ago

    Almost direct copy of John Swinney's stamp duty reforms in Scotland...
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited December 2014
    Nicked the SNP policy on stamp duty - but with a much higher nasty shock point.

    Scots will be rushing to move before the SNPs scheme comes in in the spring - ho ho.

  • isam said:

    In 2003 he voted against repealing Section 28

    So what? Firstly it's a completely different issue, and secondly his views have no doubt evolved since 2003, like many people's.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    @TwistedFireStopper

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/12/firefighters-react-to-osbornes-autumn-statement/

    What's your view on the FBU's response to the Autumn Statement?

    Apparently they published it 90minutes before the *start* of Osborne's speech
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited December 2014
    Sunil Prasannan ‏@Sunil_P2 · 4m4 minutes ago
    ELBOW 30 Nov UPDATE 4 TNS 27 Nov: Lab 33.3, Con 31.2, UKIP 16.3, LD 7.3 (Lab was 33.5, Con 31.4, UKIP 16.1, LD 7.4)

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/540132429693206529
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited December 2014
    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Why would you think he was sincere about gay marriage rather than doing what he thought was politically expedient?

    That's completely daft, it wasn't politically expedient. Quite the opposite, in fact.
    You are right that it didn't turn out as he expected but what I said was

    "what he thought was politically expedient?"
    I don't think anyone in Number 10 thought gay marriage would be politically expedient. From what I can tell it is one of the few issues that Dave actually believes in which is why he pushed ahead despite the damage and probable loss of socially conservative voters to UKIP.
    In 2003 he voted against repealing Section 28
    I've actually got a lot of respect for politicians who changed their mind about gay rights - it's a desperately delicate subject for a lot of people. What dave did took guts.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Arhhhh "Mansion Tax" by back door....£1 million properties are going to get hit for more money. Attempting to shot Labour / Lib Dem fox, and giving people a tax cut at the bottom.

    Only payable if you move house, not if you sit in one....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited December 2014
    Ok and the stopwatch starts...how long before something unwinds or find George has told a porky or two.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Passing on your ISA to spouse is a nice boost too.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    isam said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    TGOHF said:

    APD for children abolished ! Nice one.

    Did you say the other day that "At least Boris hasn't changed his name" ?
    Is he Brian now ? Give me strength.
    I don't think Boris was his original name. But if that's what he wants to be called I see no reason to call him something else
    I believe Boris is his stage name (and actually his first name).

    His friends and family call him Alexander.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Was it last year that Balls had a mare of a response?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    In 2003 he voted against repealing Section 28

    So what? Firstly it's a completely different issue, and secondly his views have no doubt evolved since 2003, like many people's.
    Yes his views may have evolved, and you are entitled to take him at face value if you like, as am I to suspect he puts what he thinks will get him votes before what he really believes
  • What's Myleene Klass going to say about a 12% tax on a £2million garage?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited December 2014
    That's a much better structure for stamp duty. Pretty pricey at the top end, though.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Faisal Islam ‏@faisalislam 4 mins4 minutes ago

    So @KlassMyleene what do you think about 12% stamp duty on £2m garages? #AS2014

    LOL
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054
    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Why would you think he was sincere about gay marriage rather than doing what he thought was politically expedient?

    That's completely daft, it wasn't politically expedient. Quite the opposite, in fact.
    You are right that it didn't turn out as he expected but what I said was

    "what he thought was politically expedient?"
    I don't think anyone in Number 10 thought gay marriage would be politically expedient. From what I can tell it is one of the few issues that Dave actually believes in which is why he pushed ahead despite the damage and probable loss of socially conservative voters to UKIP.
    In 2003 he voted against repealing Section 28
    I don't see how one is related to the other.
  • Was it last year that Balls had a mare of a response?

    Yup, he was as rubbish as Hannibal at Zama
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Charles said:

    isam said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    TGOHF said:

    APD for children abolished ! Nice one.

    Did you say the other day that "At least Boris hasn't changed his name" ?
    Is he Brian now ? Give me strength.
    I don't think Boris was his original name. But if that's what he wants to be called I see no reason to call him something else
    I believe Boris is his stage name (and actually his first name).

    His friends and family call him Alexander.
    Wiki has his first name as Alexander

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson

    But that doesn't guarantee anything of course as anyone can edit it.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Arhhhh "Mansion Tax" by back door....£1 million properties are going to get hit for more money. Attempting to shot Labour / Lib Dem fox, and giving people a tax cut at the bottom.

    A once off payment is different to a yearly bill.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,704

    That's a much better structure for stamp duty.

    Curiously fast implementation. Glad I am not buying a house this week.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited December 2014
    TGOHF said:

    Crickey big change to Stamp Duty.

    Arhhhh "Mansion Tax" by back door....£1 million properties are going to get hit for more money. Attempting to shot Labour / Lib Dem fox, and giving people a tax cut at the bottom.

    A once off payment is different to a yearly bill.
    Yes I know, hence why I put it in speech marks. It is clear what George is going to say is (and he said it in the speech), hey my "mansion tax" is better than Labours, but we are tough on the rich but not on the grannies.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Pulpstar said:

    @isam Hows the bingo card looking :)

    HOUSE !!

    Do I pay stamp duty on my winnings ??

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Jonathan said:

    That's a much better structure for stamp duty.

    Curiously fast implementation. Glad I am not buying a house this week.
    Apparently if you have exchanged but not completed you can choose which system to use - seems sensible.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @isam Hows the bingo card looking :)

    HOUSE !!

    Do I pay stamp duty on my winnings ??

    12%
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Why would you think he was sincere about gay marriage rather than doing what he thought was politically expedient?

    That's completely daft, it wasn't politically expedient. Quite the opposite, in fact.
    You are right that it didn't turn out as he expected but what I said was

    "what he thought was politically expedient?"
    I don't think anyone in Number 10 thought gay marriage would be politically expedient. From what I can tell it is one of the few issues that Dave actually believes in which is why he pushed ahead despite the damage and probable loss of socially conservative voters to UKIP.
    In 2003 he voted against repealing Section 28
    I don't see how one is related to the other.
    Well it takes all sorts
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Has Ed Balls apologised for Labour fecking the economy yet?
  • Jonathan said:

    That's a much better structure for stamp duty.

    Curiously fast implementation. Glad I am not buying a house this week.
    I suppose he doesn't want to distort the market by people delaying or bringing forward sales.

    I presume the cut-off date relates to exchange of contract - if not, people could find themselves contractually bound to find an additional sum. As it is it will be disruptive in the short term.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,704
    edited December 2014
    TGOHF said:

    Jonathan said:

    That's a much better structure for stamp duty.

    Curiously fast implementation. Glad I am not buying a house this week.
    Apparently if you have exchanged but not completed you can choose which system to use - seems sensible.
    Imagine solicitors phones are ringing today to make sure exchange happens today. There will be a fair few unhappy folk out there.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited December 2014
    Blimey! Moving mansions is going to cost. Will this drive down mansion prices?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Bercow needs to up his game.

    The barracking of Balls is too OTT.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @isam Hows the bingo card looking :)

    HOUSE !!

    Do I pay stamp duty on my winnings ??

    12%
    Better keep my London garage then ....

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    Jonathan said:

    That's a much better structure for stamp duty.

    Curiously fast implementation. Glad I am not buying a house this week.
    I suppose he doesn't want to distort the market by people delaying or bringing forward sales.

    I presume the cut-off date relates to exchange of contract - if not, people could find themselves contractually bound to find an additional sum. As it is it will be disruptive in the short term.
    In fairness to GO on this one any new system is going to have a couple of wrinkles in transition - no reason not to change it though.
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