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edited December 2014 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Lord Ashcroft corrects his Doncaster N poll – EdM NOT in danger from UKIP in Doncaster North

How the correction and apology to Edm appears of @LordAshcroft site pic.twitter.com/vpduUXqvlE

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  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Oops
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Heartbreaking news.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Firemen to hold a 24 hour strike on 9 December:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30282017
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    The fact that this error was noted by Mark Senior the instant the poll came out indicates that the site may not be read by as many influential people as some seem to think.... certainly not Lord Ashcroft, who didn't rumble it until Anthony Wells mentioned it today
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited December 2014
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Firemen to hold a 24 hour strike on 9 December:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30282017

    Our own Devil's Night?
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    If this episode teaches us one thing it is that Lord Ashcroft and his minions are too busy to read pb.com, otherwise the mistake would have been rectified earlier. A lesson for us all.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Isam, should it be referred to as Lord Ashcroft's Senior moment?

    Anyway, we all make mistakes.

    On the site being read: I think some only check the articles and miss out the compelling wisdom, witty erudition and nonsensical claptrap of which the comment threads are made.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    So UKIP only damages the Tories.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    edited December 2014
    1-20 is now a 10% annualised investment return with Hills...

    Added another pound to my GE winnings ^_~
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    @SouthamObserver has his head in front on our Ed Miliband bet!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    It cheers me up no end that I'm not the only person not to make typos and transposition errors.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Firemen to hold a 24 hour strike on 9 December:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30282017

    I must admit to being confused by this strike.

    Apparently the FBU are striking because they think it is wrong to give firefighters a pension age of 60. But they agreed on a pension age of 60 for any fire fighter joining the service since 2006.

    Why the sudden huge change of heart?

  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    isam said:

    The fact that this error was noted by Mark Senior the instant the poll came out indicates that the site may not be read by as many influential people as some seem to think.... certainly not Lord Ashcroft, who didn't rumble it until Anthony Wells mentioned it today

    Or that they have to scan through the dross to find the gold (no offence ;).
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Neil said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Firemen to hold a 24 hour strike on 9 December:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30282017

    I must admit to being confused by this strike.

    Apparently the FBU are striking because they think it is wrong to give firefighters a pension age of 60. But they agreed on a pension age of 60 for any fire fighter joining the service since 2006.

    Why the sudden huge change of heart?

    I'd guess the change is being imposed on current members (or rather, those that joined before 2006, which completely coincidentally would include nearly all union reps).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Neil said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Firemen to hold a 24 hour strike on 9 December:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30282017

    I must admit to being confused by this strike.

    Apparently the FBU are striking because they think it is wrong to give firefighters a pension age of 60. But they agreed on a pension age of 60 for any fire fighter joining the service since 2006.

    Why the sudden huge change of heart?

    I think they're right, firefighters should be able to keep going till 65.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    65 for "physical" jobs
    80 for us pen pushers.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited December 2014
    Anorak said:

    Neil said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Firemen to hold a 24 hour strike on 9 December:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30282017

    I must admit to being confused by this strike.

    Apparently the FBU are striking because they think it is wrong to give firefighters a pension age of 60. But they agreed on a pension age of 60 for any fire fighter joining the service since 2006.

    Why the sudden huge change of heart?

    I'd guess the change is being imposed on current members (or rather, those that joined before 2006, which completely coincidentally would include nearly all union reps).
    It's very hard to sympathise with their plight in that case, isnt it? How do they convince the younger colleagues they previously sold down the river to come out with them?

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    logical_song said:

    isam said:

    The fact that this error was noted by Mark Senior the instant the poll came out indicates that the site may not be read by as many influential people as some seem to think.... certainly not Lord Ashcroft, who didn't rumble it until Anthony Wells mentioned it today

    Or that they have to scan through the dross to find the gold (no offence ;).
    Don't be so hard on yourself x
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Neil said:

    Anorak said:

    Neil said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Firemen to hold a 24 hour strike on 9 December:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30282017

    I must admit to being confused by this strike.

    Apparently the FBU are striking because they think it is wrong to give firefighters a pension age of 60. But they agreed on a pension age of 60 for any fire fighter joining the service since 2006.

    Why the sudden huge change of heart?

    I'd guess the change is being imposed on current members (or rather, those that joined before 2006, which completely coincidentally would include nearly all union reps).
    It's very hard to sympathise with their plight in that case, isnt it? How do they convince the younger colleagues they previously sold down the river to come out with them?

    Time to go all Jeremy Clarkson on these strikers

    (FYI - Mr Firestopper, I'm joking)
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Neil said:

    Anorak said:

    Neil said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Firemen to hold a 24 hour strike on 9 December:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30282017

    I must admit to being confused by this strike.

    Apparently the FBU are striking because they think it is wrong to give firefighters a pension age of 60. But they agreed on a pension age of 60 for any fire fighter joining the service since 2006.

    Why the sudden huge change of heart?

    I'd guess the change is being imposed on current members (or rather, those that joined before 2006, which completely coincidentally would include nearly all union reps).
    It's very hard to sympathise with their plight in that case, isnt it? How do they convince the younger colleagues they previously sold down the river to come out with them?
    My Union did a similar thing. The leadership justified it on the basis that they represent their membership, rather than their future membership, but it simply divides the Union and makes them look like the defenders of entrenched privilege to younger members of the workforce. Silly twits.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    Afternoon!

    Has ComRes been released yet?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    Doncaster North: This poll was commissioned by DUEMA!

    :)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Afternoon!

    Has ComRes been released yet?

    10pm tonight,

    Jeez you have no patience
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited December 2014
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Afternoon!

    Has ComRes been released yet?

    I expect they're phoning the local Liberal Democrat party to see if they've a spare set of eyes to check the figures before they release them to the wider world.
  • shadsyshadsy Posts: 289
    UKIP person claims that bookmakers make Bradford South their most winnable seat in Yorkshire: Bookmaker disagrees.

    http://politicalbookie.com/2014/12/01/no-bradford-south-is-not-ukips-most-winnable-seat-in-yorkshire/
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited December 2014
    Researching IS&FB.. Nice number of votes for Labour in 2005 for people (like me) who like that kind of thing

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/islingtonsouthandfinsbury/
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Afternoon!

    Has ComRes been released yet?

    10pm tonight,

    Jeez you have no patience
    The fieldwork should have ended on Friday 28th judging from previous ComRes phone polls!

    And you should know by now it's the Sunil on SUNDAY weekly ELBOW :)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,821
    It's surely the rest of Labour he should be apologising to -for getting their hopes up.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    On topic

    LOL EICIMPDN
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Afternoon!

    Has ComRes been released yet?

    10pm tonight,

    Jeez you have no patience
    The fieldwork should have ended on Friday 28th judging from previous ComRes phone polls!

    And you should know by now it's the Sunil on SUNDAY weekly ELBOW :)
    Nope, their phone polls fieldwork end on Sundays.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    shadsy said:

    UKIP person claims that bookmakers make Bradford South their most winnable seat in Yorkshire: Bookmaker disagrees.

    http://politicalbookie.com/2014/12/01/no-bradford-south-is-not-ukips-most-winnable-seat-in-yorkshire/

    You're quoting 8s for Rother Valley in that piece but only offer 5s on the website. I think Rother Valley is more winnable than Rotherham (8s is probably a fair price for Wentworth & Dearne) too !
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,390
    Anorak said:

    Our own Devil's Night?

    Not ambitious enough. I think we should take this opportunity to inaugurate "The Purge"...:-)

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited December 2014
    Just to re-cap the present state of play with ELBOW pre-ComRes:

    8 polls with field-work end-dates from 23rd to 29th November inclusive, total weighted sample, 10,588.

    Lab 33.5% (+0.1)
    Con 31.4% (-1.5)
    UKIP 16.1% (+0.7)
    LD 7.4% (+0.3)

    Lab lead 2.1% (+1.7)
  • shadsyshadsy Posts: 289
    Pulpstar said:

    shadsy said:

    UKIP person claims that bookmakers make Bradford South their most winnable seat in Yorkshire: Bookmaker disagrees.

    http://politicalbookie.com/2014/12/01/no-bradford-south-is-not-ukips-most-winnable-seat-in-yorkshire/

    You're quoting 8s for Rother Valley in that piece but only offer 5s on the website. I think Rother Valley is more winnable than Rotherham (8s is probably a fair price for Wentworth & Dearne) too !
    Thanks - changed that now.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It cheers me up no end that I'm not the only person not to make typos and transposition errors.

    I once read that something like 40% of models in the business world had errors in them that changed the answer by more than 10%.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    For fans of Theresa May, from the YouGov for the Sunday Times

    33% of people think that Theresa May is doing well as Home Secretary, 41% badly (so her net score of minus 8 is slightly better than Cameron’s minus 13).

    Asked about the balance between protecting human rights and privacy and introducing anti-terrorism measures 37% think May should go further with anti-terrorism powers, 18% that she has gone too far and damaged human rights and privacy, 19% that she has the balance about right.

    Going through a list of the latest proposals there is support for all the new anti-terrorism measures, with most getting over 50% support. The few that do not (such as banning ransoms and extending TPIMs) are down to people saying don’t know rather than opposing the moves, there is still more support than opposition.

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9083
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Ashcroft poll out soon isn't it ?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Afternoon!

    Has ComRes been released yet?

    10pm tonight,

    Jeez you have no patience
    The fieldwork should have ended on Friday 28th judging from previous ComRes phone polls!

    And you should know by now it's the Sunil on SUNDAY weekly ELBOW :)
    Nope, their phone polls fieldwork end on Sundays.
    It wasn't my fault, sir! PLEASE don't deactivate me. I told him not to go, but he's faulty, malfunctioning, babbling on about his mission!
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Pulpstar said:

    Ashcroft poll out soon isn't it ?

    4pm typically.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    For fans of Theresa May, from the YouGov for the Sunday Times

    33% of people think that Theresa May is doing well as Home Secretary, 41% badly (so her net score of minus 8 is slightly better than Cameron’s minus 13).

    Asked about the balance between protecting human rights and privacy and introducing anti-terrorism measures 37% think May should go further with anti-terrorism powers, 18% that she has gone too far and damaged human rights and privacy, 19% that she has the balance about right.

    Going through a list of the latest proposals there is support for all the new anti-terrorism measures, with most getting over 50% support. The few that do not (such as banning ransoms and extending TPIMs) are down to people saying don’t know rather than opposing the moves, there is still more support than opposition.

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9083

    All Mrs May has to do is hold out her term as Home Sec and see Boris off for the leadership.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    For fans of Theresa May, from the YouGov for the Sunday Times

    33% of people think that Theresa May is doing well as Home Secretary, 41% badly (so her net score of minus 8 is slightly better than Cameron’s minus 13).

    Asked about the balance between protecting human rights and privacy and introducing anti-terrorism measures 37% think May should go further with anti-terrorism powers, 18% that she has gone too far and damaged human rights and privacy, 19% that she has the balance about right.

    Going through a list of the latest proposals there is support for all the new anti-terrorism measures, with most getting over 50% support. The few that do not (such as banning ransoms and extending TPIMs) are down to people saying don’t know rather than opposing the moves, there is still more support than opposition.

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9083

    She was stunningly dull on Desert Island discs and I would have thought you in particular would appreciate that her taste in music makes her unfit for any senior office. If she is trying to underplay the age thing she made several serious mistakes.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Socrates said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It cheers me up no end that I'm not the only person not to make typos and transposition errors.

    I once read that something like 40% of models in the business world had errors in them that changed the answer by more than 10%.
    What sort of models are we talking here?

    Economics sorts of models?

    Or all sorts of models, including, say, Computational Fluid Dynamics models, as used by F1 teams, car manufacturers, etc?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Btw noticed the front pages were bad for the Cons this morning (Sun/Mail)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Afternoon!

    Has ComRes been released yet?

    10pm tonight,

    Jeez you have no patience
    The fieldwork should have ended on Friday 28th judging from previous ComRes phone polls!

    And you should know by now it's the Sunil on SUNDAY weekly ELBOW :)
    Nope, their phone polls fieldwork end on Sundays.
    It wasn't my fault, sir! PLEASE don't deactivate me. I told him not to go, but he's faulty, malfunctioning, babbling on about his mission!
    It's ok, I know, you JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH of the polls
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    To achieve a net of minus 8 as Home Secretary is pretty phenomenal in my book.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    For fans of Theresa May, from the YouGov for the Sunday Times

    33% of people think that Theresa May is doing well as Home Secretary, 41% badly (so her net score of minus 8 is slightly better than Cameron’s minus 13).

    Asked about the balance between protecting human rights and privacy and introducing anti-terrorism measures 37% think May should go further with anti-terrorism powers, 18% that she has gone too far and damaged human rights and privacy, 19% that she has the balance about right.

    Going through a list of the latest proposals there is support for all the new anti-terrorism measures, with most getting over 50% support. The few that do not (such as banning ransoms and extending TPIMs) are down to people saying don’t know rather than opposing the moves, there is still more support than opposition.

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9083

    All Mrs May has to do is hold out her term as Home Sec and see Boris off for the leadership.
    Don't misunderestimate Phil Hammond.

    If we're out of power, and the Kippers are surging, then the party might well go for the cabinet minister who is a BOOer.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Me, worth mentioning F1 chaps can and do go down wrong routes with such things. An aerodynamic dead end in development is what cost Force India a better chance of beating McLaren in the Constructors', and Ferrari have cocked up aerodynamics for years.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Probably a harder job than PM ratings-wise. It is normally a graveyard
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    Pulpstar said:

    To achieve a net of minus 8 as Home Secretary is pretty phenomenal in my book.

    The speech to the Police Federation was truly special. The rest, not so much.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    OblitusSumMe said:

    Socrates said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It cheers me up no end that I'm not the only person not to make typos and transposition errors.

    I once read that something like 40% of models in the business world had errors in them that changed the answer by more than 10%.
    What sort of models are we talking here?

    Economics sorts of models?

    Or all sorts of models, including, say, Computational Fluid Dynamics models, as used by F1 teams, car manufacturers, etc?
    I can't remember. But I imagine those sort of models would be a tiny share of the total models used. Most are going to be market sizing, cash flow projections etc.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    For fans of Theresa May, from the YouGov for the Sunday Times

    33% of people think that Theresa May is doing well as Home Secretary, 41% badly (so her net score of minus 8 is slightly better than Cameron’s minus 13).

    Asked about the balance between protecting human rights and privacy and introducing anti-terrorism measures 37% think May should go further with anti-terrorism powers, 18% that she has gone too far and damaged human rights and privacy, 19% that she has the balance about right.

    Going through a list of the latest proposals there is support for all the new anti-terrorism measures, with most getting over 50% support. The few that do not (such as banning ransoms and extending TPIMs) are down to people saying don’t know rather than opposing the moves, there is still more support than opposition.

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9083

    All Mrs May has to do is hold out her term as Home Sec and see Boris off for the leadership.
    Don't misunderestimate Phil Hammond.

    If we're out of power, and the Kippers are surging, then the party might well go for the cabinet minister who is a BOOer.
    I'm certainly not misunderestimating Mr Hammond, I think he has a real chance and is my biggest "green" currently.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    For fans of Theresa May, from the YouGov for the Sunday Times

    33% of people think that Theresa May is doing well as Home Secretary, 41% badly (so her net score of minus 8 is slightly better than Cameron’s minus 13).

    Asked about the balance between protecting human rights and privacy and introducing anti-terrorism measures 37% think May should go further with anti-terrorism powers, 18% that she has gone too far and damaged human rights and privacy, 19% that she has the balance about right.

    Going through a list of the latest proposals there is support for all the new anti-terrorism measures, with most getting over 50% support. The few that do not (such as banning ransoms and extending TPIMs) are down to people saying don’t know rather than opposing the moves, there is still more support than opposition.

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9083

    She was stunningly dull on Desert Island discs and I would have thought you in particular would appreciate that her taste in music makes her unfit for any senior office. If she is trying to underplay the age thing she made several serious mistakes.
    I think she'll be fine, the amusing thing given the hyperbole on here, that's Mrs May is dangerous illiberal to our freedoms and human rights, the public want her to go further.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    For fans of Theresa May, from the YouGov for the Sunday Times

    33% of people think that Theresa May is doing well as Home Secretary, 41% badly (so her net score of minus 8 is slightly better than Cameron’s minus 13).

    Asked about the balance between protecting human rights and privacy and introducing anti-terrorism measures 37% think May should go further with anti-terrorism powers, 18% that she has gone too far and damaged human rights and privacy, 19% that she has the balance about right.

    Going through a list of the latest proposals there is support for all the new anti-terrorism measures, with most getting over 50% support. The few that do not (such as banning ransoms and extending TPIMs) are down to people saying don’t know rather than opposing the moves, there is still more support than opposition.

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9083

    All Mrs May has to do is hold out her term as Home Sec and see Boris off for the leadership.
    Theresa May Will Never Be Conservative Party Leader.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Afternoon!

    Has ComRes been released yet?

    10pm tonight,

    Jeez you have no patience
    The fieldwork should have ended on Friday 28th judging from previous ComRes phone polls!

    And you should know by now it's the Sunil on SUNDAY weekly ELBOW :)
    Nope, their phone polls fieldwork end on Sundays.
    It wasn't my fault, sir! PLEASE don't deactivate me. I told him not to go, but he's faulty, malfunctioning, babbling on about his mission!
    It's ok, I know, you JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH of the polls
    I think Sunil should Leave In Silence.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Eagles, the public want all sorts of things. Like hanging, leaving the EU and so forth. The job of politicians is to attend to the public's interest, not the public's whims.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    OK, so in Lord Ashcroft mode, I confess I was wrong about the ComRes...

    **FACE-PALM**

    It would appear that the above is the data for this week's ELBOW, as ComRes field-work ended yesterday and will have to be included in next week's ELBOW

    So, we have 8 polls with field-work end-dates from 23rd to 29th November inclusive, total weighted sample, 10,588.

    Lab 33.5% (+0.1)
    Con 31.4% (-1.5)
    UKIP 16.1% (+0.7)
    LD 7.4% (+0.3)

    Lab lead 2.1% (+1.7)

    Comparison with the first ever ELBOW back on 17th August:

    Lab -2.7%
    Con -1.8%
    UKIP +3.0%
    LD -1.4%

    Lab lead -0.9% (ie. was 3.0%, now 2.1%)

    Take-home:

    * Whither Crossover?
    * Cons take a significant it, there lowest ELBOW since 19th October
    * Lab hardly shift at all
    * UKIP take around half of the Con decrease to stop their three-week decline
    * LDs recover slightly from their worst-ever ELBOW last week
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    To achieve a net of minus 8 as Home Secretary is pretty phenomenal in my book.

    The speech to the Police Federation was truly special. The rest, not so much.
    I think her biggest achievement is that the Home Office is no longer a recurring front page news.

    IIRC, she's outlasted her last four predecessors combined.

    Masterly competence and understatement is the way to go.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    Casino_Royale said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Afternoon!

    Has ComRes been released yet?

    10pm tonight,

    Jeez you have no patience
    The fieldwork should have ended on Friday 28th judging from previous ComRes phone polls!

    And you should know by now it's the Sunil on SUNDAY weekly ELBOW :)
    Nope, their phone polls fieldwork end on Sundays.
    It wasn't my fault, sir! PLEASE don't deactivate me. I told him not to go, but he's faulty, malfunctioning, babbling on about his mission!
    It's ok, I know, you JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH of the polls
    I think Sunil should Leave In Silence.
    If only you were Walking In My Shoes...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Casino_Royale said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Afternoon!

    Has ComRes been released yet?

    10pm tonight,

    Jeez you have no patience
    The fieldwork should have ended on Friday 28th judging from previous ComRes phone polls!

    And you should know by now it's the Sunil on SUNDAY weekly ELBOW :)
    Nope, their phone polls fieldwork end on Sundays.
    It wasn't my fault, sir! PLEASE don't deactivate me. I told him not to go, but he's faulty, malfunctioning, babbling on about his mission!
    It's ok, I know, you JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH of the polls
    I think Sunil should Leave In Silence.
    We should ENJOY THE SILENCE
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Eagles, the public want all sorts of things. Like hanging, leaving the EU and so forth. The job of politicians is to attend to the public's interest, not the public's whims.

    Indeed. Everyone knows it should be trebuchet flinging and leaving the EU...
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Theresa May Will Never Be Conservative Party Leader.

    Agree.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    For fans of Theresa May, from the YouGov for the Sunday Times

    33% of people think that Theresa May is doing well as Home Secretary, 41% badly (so her net score of minus 8 is slightly better than Cameron’s minus 13).

    Asked about the balance between protecting human rights and privacy and introducing anti-terrorism measures 37% think May should go further with anti-terrorism powers, 18% that she has gone too far and damaged human rights and privacy, 19% that she has the balance about right.

    Going through a list of the latest proposals there is support for all the new anti-terrorism measures, with most getting over 50% support. The few that do not (such as banning ransoms and extending TPIMs) are down to people saying don’t know rather than opposing the moves, there is still more support than opposition.

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9083

    She was stunningly dull on Desert Island discs and I would have thought you in particular would appreciate that her taste in music makes her unfit for any senior office. If she is trying to underplay the age thing she made several serious mistakes.
    I thought it was exactly the sort of thing to appeal to the Tory core vote.....

    Why would she be trying to 'underplay the age thing'? I'm not sure our current crop of forty-something leaders have been unqualified successes!

    (Full disclosure - I knew Theresa at University & liked her - no 'side' like some of the other pols I knew there). She is very WYSIWYG
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Patrick, if we deported illegal immigrants with trebuchets, there would be fewer repeat offenders.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    For fans of Theresa May, from the YouGov for the Sunday Times

    33% of people think that Theresa May is doing well as Home Secretary, 41% badly (so her net score of minus 8 is slightly better than Cameron’s minus 13).

    Asked about the balance between protecting human rights and privacy and introducing anti-terrorism measures 37% think May should go further with anti-terrorism powers, 18% that she has gone too far and damaged human rights and privacy, 19% that she has the balance about right.

    Going through a list of the latest proposals there is support for all the new anti-terrorism measures, with most getting over 50% support. The few that do not (such as banning ransoms and extending TPIMs) are down to people saying don’t know rather than opposing the moves, there is still more support than opposition.

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9083

    All Mrs May has to do is hold out her term as Home Sec and see Boris off for the leadership.
    Don't misunderestimate Phil Hammond.

    If we're out of power, and the Kippers are surging, then the party might well go for the cabinet minister who is a BOOer.
    I'm certainly not misunderestimating Mr Hammond, I think he has a real chance and is my biggest "green" currently.
    If the next Tory leader is from May, Javid, Hammond or Hunt, I'll be laughing.

    I'm sort of greenish on Osborne and Boris, I'm planning to lay those two a lot more in the next year.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Eagles, can't see it being Javid or Hunt. Maybe Hammond. I'd be surprised if it were May.

    Of course, future Prime Minister Justine Greening is the likeliest successor to Cameron.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    edited December 2014
    shadsy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    shadsy said:

    UKIP person claims that bookmakers make Bradford South their most winnable seat in Yorkshire: Bookmaker disagrees.

    http://politicalbookie.com/2014/12/01/no-bradford-south-is-not-ukips-most-winnable-seat-in-yorkshire/

    You're quoting 8s for Rother Valley in that piece but only offer 5s on the website. I think Rother Valley is more winnable than Rotherham (8s is probably a fair price for Wentworth & Dearne) too !
    Thanks - changed that now.
    That's not good enough, Shadsy!

    We want a full Lord A type apology.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    I'll be updating the header just after 4pm when this week's Ashcroft National poll due out. Last week LAB 5% ahead.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Lab -2, UKIP +1, Con +1 I'll go for.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited December 2014
    Socrates said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    Socrates said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It cheers me up no end that I'm not the only person not to make typos and transposition errors.

    I once read that something like 40% of models in the business world had errors in them that changed the answer by more than 10%.
    What sort of models are we talking here?

    Economics sorts of models?

    Or all sorts of models, including, say, Computational Fluid Dynamics models, as used by F1 teams, car manufacturers, etc?
    I can't remember. But I imagine those sort of models would be a tiny share of the total models used. Most are going to be market sizing, cash flow projections etc.
    Oh, so these would probably be models that you could fit into an Excel spreadsheet.

    I'd really like Google to provide a Google Drive implementation of Python so that you could write and share code and access data held in your Google Drive. If people wrote their models in Python, it would be much easier to see when they made mistakes, then when they use Excel spreadsheets.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Pulpstar said:

    Lab -2, UKIP +1, Con +1 I'll go for.

    End of the Rochester bounce I'm hoping for, so Con up and UKIP down.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Today's Lord Ashcroft National Poll

    Con 30 (+3) Lab 32 (nc) LD 7 (nc) UKIP 16 (-2) Greens 6 (nc)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    F1: Sky piece on why Mercedes will dominate in 2015 as well:
    http://www1.skysports.com/f1/report/22058/9580314/why-catching-mercedes-will-be-a-tall-order-in-2015-for-f1s-distant-chasing-pack

    It's with that sort of thinking in mind that I put a little on Rosberg at 4.7, with plans to hedge around 3. I think it'll be a two horse race again, and Rosberg is, once more, underestimated by the market.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    For fans of Theresa May, from the YouGov for the Sunday Times

    33% of people think that Theresa May is doing well as Home Secretary, 41% badly (so her net score of minus 8 is slightly better than Cameron’s minus 13).

    Asked about the balance between protecting human rights and privacy and introducing anti-terrorism measures 37% think May should go further with anti-terrorism powers, 18% that she has gone too far and damaged human rights and privacy, 19% that she has the balance about right.

    Going through a list of the latest proposals there is support for all the new anti-terrorism measures, with most getting over 50% support. The few that do not (such as banning ransoms and extending TPIMs) are down to people saying don’t know rather than opposing the moves, there is still more support than opposition.

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9083

    She was stunningly dull on Desert Island discs and I would have thought you in particular would appreciate that her taste in music makes her unfit for any senior office. If she is trying to underplay the age thing she made several serious mistakes.
    Serious mistakes? On Desert Island discs?

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    ELBOW in graphical form:

    Sunil Prasannan ‏@Sunil_P2 · 59s59 seconds ago
    Sunil on Sunday ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week). Update 30th Nov: Lab 33.5%, Con 31.4, UKIP 16.1, LD 7.4.

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/539448424614338560?lang=en-gb
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Today's Lord Ashcroft National Poll

    Con 30 (+3) Lab 32 (nc) LD 7 (nc) UKIP 16 (-2) Greens 6 (nc)

    OUTLIER :)
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Patrick, if we deported illegal immigrants with trebuchets, there would be fewer repeat offenders.

    Even neglecting air resistance - perhaps you could load the chaps into aerodynamic capsules? - what velocity would your trebuchet need to impart to reach Calais from atop the white cliffs of Dover?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    2. The next general election will take place on May 7th 2015. When the general election comes, will
    you definitely vote [for the party you named] or might you end up voting differently?

    Will definitely vote that way

    LD Voters 28%

    I make that a 2% Lib Dem core vote.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited December 2014
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Today's Lord Ashcroft National Poll

    Con 30 (+3) Lab 32 (nc) LD 7 (nc) UKIP 16 (-2) Greens 6 (nc)

    OUTLIER :)
    End of the Rochester bounce.

    So long as no more TPD defect
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Socrates said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It cheers me up no end that I'm not the only person not to make typos and transposition errors.

    I once read that something like 40% of models in the business world had errors in them that changed the answer by more than 10%.
    That's because they are written in Excel, the most debugger-hostile programming language known to man.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    shadsy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    shadsy said:

    UKIP person claims that bookmakers make Bradford South their most winnable seat in Yorkshire: Bookmaker disagrees.

    http://politicalbookie.com/2014/12/01/no-bradford-south-is-not-ukips-most-winnable-seat-in-yorkshire/

    You're quoting 8s for Rother Valley in that piece but only offer 5s on the website. I think Rother Valley is more winnable than Rotherham (8s is probably a fair price for Wentworth & Dearne) too !
    Thanks - changed that now.
    That's not good enough, Shadsy!

    We want a full Lord A type apology.
    Alternatively, wait until say early March, when His Lordship's original numbers may be closer to reality!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Today's Lord Ashcroft National Poll

    Con 30 (+3) Lab 32 (nc) LD 7 (nc) UKIP 16 (-2) Greens 6 (nc)

    OUTLIER :)
    The 27% from Lord A last week probably explains the drop in the Con for your latest appendage.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Not much support from Conservative voters on their possible deal with the DUP.

    Happy see DUP in a coalition 26%
    Unhappy 63%
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Derived core votes: Labour 20%, Tories 18%, Lib Dem 2%, UKIP 10%.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited December 2014
    Artist said:

    Not much support from Conservative voters on their possible deal with the DUP.

    Happy see DUP in a coalition 26%
    Unhappy 63%

    I want to meet the 11% of Tories happy be in coalition with Sinn Fein!
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    For fans of Theresa May, from the YouGov for the Sunday Times

    33% of people think that Theresa May is doing well as Home Secretary, 41% badly (so her net score of minus 8 is slightly better than Cameron’s minus 13).

    Asked about the balance between protecting human rights and privacy and introducing anti-terrorism measures 37% think May should go further with anti-terrorism powers, 18% that she has gone too far and damaged human rights and privacy, 19% that she has the balance about right.

    Going through a list of the latest proposals there is support for all the new anti-terrorism measures, with most getting over 50% support. The few that do not (such as banning ransoms and extending TPIMs) are down to people saying don’t know rather than opposing the moves, there is still more support than opposition.

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9083

    She was stunningly dull on Desert Island discs and I would have thought you in particular would appreciate that her taste in music makes her unfit for any senior office. If she is trying to underplay the age thing she made several serious mistakes.
    The choices don't seem that bad. A bit old-fashioned perhaps and rather dull. Not sure age is an issue for her to be honest.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    LordAshcroft said:

    Indeed more Conservative voters said they would be happy to see the Greens (42%) or the Lib Dems (52%) in a coalition than Nigel Farage’s party (39%). Link

    Quite the contrast to the sentiment often expressed on here.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    OblitusSumMe said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Patrick, if we deported illegal immigrants with trebuchets, there would be fewer repeat offenders.

    Even neglecting air resistance - perhaps you could load the chaps into aerodynamic capsules? - what velocity would your trebuchet need to impart to reach Calais from atop the white cliffs of Dover?
    Reaching French territorial waters will be enough.

    Although them dropping out the sky onto the Mayor of Calais would be a quality bit of ballistics.....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    More UKIPpers happy to see a Green coalition than a DUP - LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited December 2014
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    To achieve a net of minus 8 as Home Secretary is pretty phenomenal in my book.

    The speech to the Police Federation was truly special. The rest, not so much.
    I think her biggest achievement is that the Home Office is no longer a recurring front page news.

    IIRC, she's outlasted her last four predecessors combined.

    Masterly competence and understatement is the way to go.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11195771/Imams-sham-marriage-trial-collapses-after-Home-Office-blunder.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200597/Passengers-face-long-queues-Heathrow-Airport-Games-passport-control-hit-staffing-crisis-again.html
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/10887252/Passport-delays-prompting-drastic-measures.html
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/435932/Backlog-of-applications-exposes-asylum-shambles
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11073679/Officials-have-lost-track-of-50000-illegal-immigrants.html
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/feb/10/student-visa-tests-suspended-fraud
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10524709/Home-Office-officials-incompetence-led-to-failed-deportation-of-Somali-criminal.html

    There's none so blind as those who will not see. This took me about a minute to put together. I'm sure there are more examples of Home Office incompetence under May's leadership. She's by far the worst cabinet minister in terms of performance.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Artist said:

    Not much support from Conservative voters on their possible deal with the DUP.

    Happy see DUP in a coalition 26%
    Unhappy 63%

    I want to meet the 11% of Tories happy be in coalition with Sinn Fein!
    They haven't gone away you know! :)
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Pulpstar said:

    2. The next general election will take place on May 7th 2015. When the general election comes, will
    you definitely vote [for the party you named] or might you end up voting differently?

    Will definitely vote that way

    LD Voters 28%

    I make that a 2% Lib Dem core vote.

    Snicker.

    Would even Orkney & Shetland survive?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Socrates said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    To achieve a net of minus 8 as Home Secretary is pretty phenomenal in my book.

    The speech to the Police Federation was truly special. The rest, not so much.
    I think her biggest achievement is that the Home Office is no longer a recurring front page news.

    IIRC, she's outlasted her last four predecessors combined.

    Masterly competence and understatement is the way to go.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11195771/Imams-sham-marriage-trial-collapses-after-Home-Office-blunder.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200597/Passengers-face-long-queues-Heathrow-Airport-Games-passport-control-hit-staffing-crisis-again.html
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/10887252/Passport-delays-prompting-drastic-measures.html
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/435932/Backlog-of-applications-exposes-asylum-shambles
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11073679/Officials-have-lost-track-of-50000-illegal-immigrants.html
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/feb/10/student-visa-tests-suspended-fraud
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10524709/Home-Office-officials-incompetence-led-to-failed-deportation-of-Somali-criminal.html

    There's none so blind as those who will not see.
    How does that list compare with her predecessors?

    Rather well, I would imagine.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    A majority of Tories (58%) said they would be unhappy to see UKIP in government, including 39% saying they would be very unhappy.
    Indeed more Conservative voters said they would be happy to see the Greens (42%) or the Lib Dems (52%) in a coalition than Nigel Farage’s party. Overall 36% said they would be very unhappy to see UKIP in government – the highest score on that measure for any party other than Sinn Fein (48%).
    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2014/12/ashcroft-national-poll-con-30-lab-32-lib-dem-7-ukip-16-green-6/
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited December 2014
    Socrates said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    To achieve a net of minus 8 as Home Secretary is pretty phenomenal in my book.

    The speech to the Police Federation was truly special. The rest, not so much.
    I think her biggest achievement is that the Home Office is no longer a recurring front page news.

    IIRC, she's outlasted her last four predecessors combined.

    Masterly competence and understatement is the way to go.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11195771/Imams-sham-marriage-trial-collapses-after-Home-Office-blunder.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200597/Passengers-face-long-queues-Heathrow-Airport-Games-passport-control-hit-staffing-crisis-again.html
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/10887252/Passport-delays-prompting-drastic-measures.html
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/435932/Backlog-of-applications-exposes-asylum-shambles
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11073679/Officials-have-lost-track-of-50000-illegal-immigrants.html
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/feb/10/student-visa-tests-suspended-fraud
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10524709/Home-Office-officials-incompetence-led-to-failed-deportation-of-Somali-criminal.html

    There's none so blind as those who will not see. This took me about a minute to put together. I'm sure there are more examples of Home Office incompetence under May's leadership.
    So why do you think despite all of that, she's managed to outlast her last four predecessors

    Did you see the polling showing your other criticisms of Mrs May aren't shared by the British public,
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited December 2014
    RobD said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Today's Lord Ashcroft National Poll

    Con 30 (+3) Lab 32 (nc) LD 7 (nc) UKIP 16 (-2) Greens 6 (nc)

    OUTLIER :)
    The 27% from Lord A last week probably explains the drop in the Con for your latest appendage.
    It would have contributed, but of the 10,588 sample, Lord A's poll provided only 568!

    568/10,588 = 5.4%!!!

    excluding Ashcroft, Tories go from 31.4 to 31.6%...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Sinn Fein actually help ALL the other parties get that bit closer to having a de-facto majority. They are the most stabilising force in the whole of the UK parliament.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited December 2014
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Socrates said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    To achieve a net of minus 8 as Home Secretary is pretty phenomenal in my book.

    The speech to the Police Federation was truly special. The rest, not so much.
    I think her biggest achievement is that the Home Office is no longer a recurring front page news.

    IIRC, she's outlasted her last four predecessors combined.

    Masterly competence and understatement is the way to go.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11195771/Imams-sham-marriage-trial-collapses-after-Home-Office-blunder.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200597/Passengers-face-long-queues-Heathrow-Airport-Games-passport-control-hit-staffing-crisis-again.html
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/10887252/Passport-delays-prompting-drastic-measures.html
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/435932/Backlog-of-applications-exposes-asylum-shambles
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11073679/Officials-have-lost-track-of-50000-illegal-immigrants.html
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/feb/10/student-visa-tests-suspended-fraud
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10524709/Home-Office-officials-incompetence-led-to-failed-deportation-of-Somali-criminal.html

    There's none so blind as those who will not see. This took me about a minute to put together. I'm sure there are more examples of Home Office incompetence under May's leadership.
    So why do you think despite all of that, she's managed to outlast her last four predecessors

    Did you see the polling showing your other criticisms of Mrs May aren't shared by the British public,
    Because Cameron is a poor judge of performance and approves of her authoritarianism. As can be seen by my links, pretty much every area of her supervision has seen serious cock-ups, from passport renewal to border control, from tracking down illegal immigrants to having a rigorous visa system. Oh, and on top of this, she's missed her net immigration target by 160%, worse than when she took office! Anyone that thinks this is a good performance is someone that's oblivious to the facts.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    RobD said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Today's Lord Ashcroft National Poll

    Con 30 (+3) Lab 32 (nc) LD 7 (nc) UKIP 16 (-2) Greens 6 (nc)

    OUTLIER :)
    The 27% from Lord A last week probably explains the drop in the Con for your latest appendage.
    It would have contributed, but of the 10,588 sample, Lord A's poll provided only 568!

    568/10,588 = 5.4%!!!
    Is there not a danger of your methodology being a tad bias toward Yougov ?
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    I've updated the header to include the England only figures from Ashcroft.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Artist said:

    Not much support from Conservative voters on their possible deal with the DUP.

    Happy see DUP in a coalition 26%
    Unhappy 63%

    I want to meet the 11% of Tories happy be in coalition with Sinn Fein!
    Probably on the basis that they don't take their seats, so less of a pain in the arse as Coalition partners than the LibDems....
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