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  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,469
    AndyJS said:

    Huzzah for Virgin, they run the West Coast franchise, and it is bloody lovely.

    TSE - What are your views on HS2?
    Not a fan.

    I'm a frequent train user and the money can be spent better elsewhere.
    A better idea would be MagLev, cutting the journey time from London to Manchester to about 40 minutes. Since they had one at Birmingham Airport from 1984 to 1995 we ought to be able to build one 30 years later.
    "Better" in sci-fi only.

    Birmingham airport's Maglev route was 600 metres long and operated at slow speeds.

    Maglev has many problems: no interoperability, high costs, and safety. Germany's scrapped their Transrapid test track, which is being demolished after an 'impossible' accident that killed 23 people. China isn't particularly happy with its Maglev, and the extension to Hangzhou has been replaced with 'conventional' high-speed rail. Japan's Maglev is still in development.

    So aside from those problems and failures, it is perfect ...
  • Scott_P said:

    @MShapland: Mwhahahahaha #ashcroftpoll #embargo

    @MShapland: Ashcroft sends out constituency polls to MPs before release - anyone panicking in Ed Milibands office right now?

    The git.

    He should respect the embargo.
  • Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    Speedy said:

    Appetizer until the Ashcroft poll:
    Survation Camborne&Redruth:
    UKIP 33, CON 28, LAB 22, LD 7

    After naming candidates:
    CON 34, UKIP 28, LAB 18, LD 13

    Do UKIP have a candidate there yet ? Seems a little unfair if they kicked out Mr Evans, but haven't replaced him yet. Its pretty dubious if they have replaced him and he barely has his/her legs under the deck and no real name recognition.
    You do know WHY Evans isn't the UKIP candidate any more, don't you?

    Jailed for animal cruelty. Namely, the death of over two hundred sheep. To which he pleaded guilty a week after being selected as the UKIP candidate in Camborne and Redruth...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-30138337

    Yes, I know that. I made no judgement about Mr Evans's merits or lack there of. I was indicating that a poll which is looking at, in effect, at the name recognition value of the candidate is completely worthless when the candidate changed less than a month ago.

    Been a lot of coverage here in the south west. Not exactly done UKIP any favours...

    EDIT: And I hope we can agree that his being in jail is rather a lack of merit?

    They can pick them.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    We can add a new town to the list:

    Fourteen Somali men guilty of running Bristol child sex ring

    Fourteen Somali men have been convicted of running an inner city sex ring that involved the abuse, rape and prostitution of teenage British girls, it can be reported for the first time.
    Victims as young as 13 were preyed upon, sexually abused and passed around the men's friends for money in Bristol.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11257638/Fourteen-Somali-men-guilty-of-running-Bristol-child-sex-ring.html

    Reminds me of the story from Birmingham

    'People tell me they have heard about Rochdale and Oxford and see it as something which happens elsewhere to other people, but it is happening in Birmingham, it's happening everywhere,'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564678/Teenage-girl-victim-grooming-gang-raped-30-men-just-six-hours-including-father-schoolboy-son.html

    Maybe, just maybe, we should have a national police investigation and inquiry?

    In case you have not noticed these people have been found out arrested and convicted. There are investigations taking place, including one actually into the police. Its pretty pathetic from you pretending nothing is happening when the one thing preventing the start of a major investigation into this is the demands of the victims themselves.
    I haven't said nothing is happening. I have said that there is an endemic nationwide problem, and that some local authorities are up to the job of doing something and others are not. But the only way we'll make sure it's all uncovered is by having a national co-ordinated response.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    AndyJS said:

    Huzzah for Virgin, they run the West Coast franchise, and it is bloody lovely.

    TSE - What are your views on HS2?
    Not a fan.

    I'm a frequent train user and the money can be spent better elsewhere.
    A better idea would be MagLev, cutting the journey time from London to Manchester to about 40 minutes. Since they had one at Birmingham Airport from 1984 to 1995 we ought to be able to build one 30 years later.
    "Better" in sci-fi only.

    Birmingham airport's Maglev route was 600 metres long and operated at slow speeds.

    Maglev has many problems: no interoperability, high costs, and safety. Germany's scrapped their Transrapid test track, which is being demolished after an 'impossible' accident that killed 23 people. China isn't particularly happy with its Maglev, and the extension to Hangzhou has been replaced with 'conventional' high-speed rail. Japan's Maglev is still in development.

    So aside from those problems and failures, it is perfect ...
    We could grit our teeth and buy TGV from the French. 574kph is going some.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    180 seconds and counting...
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited November 2014

    AndyJS said:

    Huzzah for Virgin, they run the West Coast franchise, and it is bloody lovely.

    TSE - What are your views on HS2?
    Not a fan.

    I'm a frequent train user and the money can be spent better elsewhere.
    A better idea would be MagLev, cutting the journey time from London to Manchester to about 40 minutes. Since they had one at Birmingham Airport from 1984 to 1995 we ought to be able to build one 30 years later.
    "Better" in sci-fi only.

    Birmingham airport's Maglev route was 600 metres long and operated at slow speeds.

    Maglev has many problems: no interoperability, high costs, and safety. Germany's scrapped their Transrapid test track, which is being demolished after an 'impossible' accident that killed 23 people. China isn't particularly happy with its Maglev, and the extension to Hangzhou has been replaced with 'conventional' high-speed rail. Japan's Maglev is still in development.

    So aside from those problems and failures, it is perfect ...
    Yeah, unfortunately the maglev tech still seems about 30 years away. Best thing we can do is build HS2/3 lines as straight and flat as possible to (hopefully) enable the upgrade in 2070 or whenever.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Kim Parkinson is the UKIP candidate in Ed's seat:

    http://www.doncaster.ukipbranch.org/ge-2015/dn-candidate
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    We can add a new town to the list:

    Fourteen Somali men guilty of running Bristol child sex ring

    Fourteen Somali men have been convicted of running an inner city sex ring that involved the abuse, rape and prostitution of teenage British girls, it can be reported for the first time.
    Victims as young as 13 were preyed upon, sexually abused and passed around the men's friends for money in Bristol.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11257638/Fourteen-Somali-men-guilty-of-running-Bristol-child-sex-ring.html

    Reminds me of the story from Birmingham

    'People tell me they have heard about Rochdale and Oxford and see it as something which happens elsewhere to other people, but it is happening in Birmingham, it's happening everywhere,'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564678/Teenage-girl-victim-grooming-gang-raped-30-men-just-six-hours-including-father-schoolboy-son.html

    Maybe, just maybe, we should have a national police investigation and inquiry?

    In case you have not noticed these people have been found out arrested and convicted. There are investigations taking place, including one actually into the police. Its pretty pathetic from you pretending nothing is happening when the one thing preventing the start of a major investigation into this is the demands of the victims themselves.
    I haven't said nothing is happening. I have said that there is an endemic nationwide problem, and that some local authorities are up to the job of doing something and others are not. But the only way we'll make sure it's all uncovered is by having a national co-ordinated response.
    Have you written to your Police and Crime Commissioner?
  • AndyJS said:

    Huzzah for Virgin, they run the West Coast franchise, and it is bloody lovely.

    TSE - What are your views on HS2?
    Not a fan.

    I'm a frequent train user and the money can be spent better elsewhere.
    A better idea would be MagLev, cutting the journey time from London to Manchester to about 40 minutes. Since they had one at Birmingham Airport from 1984 to 1995 we ought to be able to build one 30 years later.
    "Better" in sci-fi only.

    Birmingham airport's Maglev route was 600 metres long and operated at slow speeds.

    Maglev has many problems: no interoperability, high costs, and safety. Germany's scrapped their Transrapid test track, which is being demolished after an 'impossible' accident that killed 23 people. China isn't particularly happy with its Maglev, and the extension to Hangzhou has been replaced with 'conventional' high-speed rail. Japan's Maglev is still in development.

    So aside from those problems and failures, it is perfect ...
    Well you can understand why people want to leave Birmingham as quickly as possible.

    I mean have you ever been to New Street Station?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410

    Scott_P said:

    @MShapland: Mwhahahahaha #ashcroftpoll #embargo

    @MShapland: Ashcroft sends out constituency polls to MPs before release - anyone panicking in Ed Milibands office right now?

    The git.

    He should respect the embargo.
    Pollsters should stop sending out polls to hacks.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2014
    Pong said:

    AndyJS said:

    Huzzah for Virgin, they run the West Coast franchise, and it is bloody lovely.

    TSE - What are your views on HS2?
    Not a fan.

    I'm a frequent train user and the money can be spent better elsewhere.
    A better idea would be MagLev, cutting the journey time from London to Manchester to about 40 minutes. Since they had one at Birmingham Airport from 1984 to 1995 we ought to be able to build one 30 years later.
    "Better" in sci-fi only.

    Birmingham airport's Maglev route was 600 metres long and operated at slow speeds.

    Maglev has many problems: no interoperability, high costs, and safety. Germany's scrapped their Transrapid test track, which is being demolished after an 'impossible' accident that killed 23 people. China isn't particularly happy with its Maglev, and the extension to Hangzhou has been replaced with 'conventional' high-speed rail. Japan's Maglev is still in development.

    So aside from those problems and failures, it is perfect ...
    Yeah, unfortunately the maglev tech still seems about 30 years away. Best thing we can do is build HS2/3 lines as straight and flat as possible to (hopefully) enable the upgrade in 2070 or whenever.
    We'll probably have teleportation by then. Railways will be tourism only.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Pong said:

    AndyJS said:

    Huzzah for Virgin, they run the West Coast franchise, and it is bloody lovely.

    TSE - What are your views on HS2?
    Not a fan.

    I'm a frequent train user and the money can be spent better elsewhere.
    A better idea would be MagLev, cutting the journey time from London to Manchester to about 40 minutes. Since they had one at Birmingham Airport from 1984 to 1995 we ought to be able to build one 30 years later.
    "Better" in sci-fi only.

    Birmingham airport's Maglev route was 600 metres long and operated at slow speeds.

    Maglev has many problems: no interoperability, high costs, and safety. Germany's scrapped their Transrapid test track, which is being demolished after an 'impossible' accident that killed 23 people. China isn't particularly happy with its Maglev, and the extension to Hangzhou has been replaced with 'conventional' high-speed rail. Japan's Maglev is still in development.

    So aside from those problems and failures, it is perfect ...
    Yeah, unfortunately the maglev tech still seems about 30 years away. Best thing we can do is build HS2/3 lines as straight and flat as possible to (hopefully) enable the upgrade in 2070 or whenever.
    The fact that you rely on 'straight and flat' shows that the concept has a major flaw.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Huzzah for Virgin, they run the West Coast franchise, and it is bloody lovely.

    TSE - What are your views on HS2?
    Not a fan.

    I'm a frequent train user and the money can be spent better elsewhere.
    A better idea would be MagLev, cutting the journey time from London to Manchester to about 40 minutes. Since they had one at Birmingham Airport from 1984 to 1995 we ought to be able to build one 30 years later.
    "Better" in sci-fi only.

    Birmingham airport's Maglev route was 600 metres long and operated at slow speeds.

    Maglev has many problems: no interoperability, high costs, and safety. Germany's scrapped their Transrapid test track, which is being demolished after an 'impossible' accident that killed 23 people. China isn't particularly happy with its Maglev, and the extension to Hangzhou has been replaced with 'conventional' high-speed rail. Japan's Maglev is still in development.

    So aside from those problems and failures, it is perfect ...
    Well you can understand why people want to leave Birmingham as quickly as possible.

    I mean have you ever been to New Street Station?
    It's currently being refurbished, 35 years too late.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Jesus — it's 40% to 28% in Doncaster North. That's a 7 point drop in support for Miliband:

    http://www.conservativehome.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Doncaster-N-Sheffield-H-Thanet-S-poll-summary-Nov-14-1.pdf
  • Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MShapland: Mwhahahahaha #ashcroftpoll #embargo

    @MShapland: Ashcroft sends out constituency polls to MPs before release - anyone panicking in Ed Milibands office right now?

    The git.

    He should respect the embargo.
    Pollsters should stop sending out polls to hacks.
    Except to the editor of PB and I.


  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Hallam: Clegg 31%, Labour 28%.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Thanet South: Tories 5% ahead of Farage.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Pulpstar said:

    Pollsters should stop sending out polls to hacks.

    He's a SPAD AFAIK
  • Con to hold Watford as foretold by Richard Nabavi
  • If half the Tories in Doncaster North vote tactically for UKIP Ed is buggered.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I told you Clegg was in danger.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Lots of giggles there

    "In Sheffield Hallam, Cameron was the highest-rated leader with a performance rating of 5.10, followed by Farage on 4.35. Ed Miliband was third. Nick Clegg was not."

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Summary:

    Doncaster North: Lab 40%, UKIP 28%, Con 23%, LD 5%
    Sheffield Hallam: LD 31%, Lab 28%, Con 19%, UKIP 11%
    Thanet South: Con 34%, UKIP 29%, Lab 26%, LD 7%

    http://www.conservativehome.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Doncaster-N-Sheffield-H-Thanet-S-poll-summary-Nov-14-1.pdf
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    edited November 2014
    Nick Clegg is surely the big story from the marginals poll. Nothing really stands out from the Con-LD battleground. Still a small LD-Con swing on the constituency question with the odd exception due to local factors.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2014
    Clegg down 22 points.
    Miliband down 7 points.
  • Lord Ashcroft obviously thoroughly enjoys writing his commentary on his polls:

    "There is little good news for Miliband in the Doncaster poll, but it is not all bad: his constituents think he is performing nearly as well as David Cameron. Asked how good a job each leader was doing on a scale from zero to ten, they awarded a mean score of 4.40 to the PM, and to 4.27 to their MP. On the whole they thought Farage was doing best, giving him 4.83. Still, nearly a quarter (24 per cent) of Miliband’s constituents thought he would make the best Prime Minister of the four, compared to only 23 per cent who chose David Cameron."
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,469

    AndyJS said:

    Huzzah for Virgin, they run the West Coast franchise, and it is bloody lovely.

    TSE - What are your views on HS2?
    Not a fan.

    I'm a frequent train user and the money can be spent better elsewhere.
    A better idea would be MagLev, cutting the journey time from London to Manchester to about 40 minutes. Since they had one at Birmingham Airport from 1984 to 1995 we ought to be able to build one 30 years later.
    "Better" in sci-fi only.

    Birmingham airport's Maglev route was 600 metres long and operated at slow speeds.

    Maglev has many problems: no interoperability, high costs, and safety. Germany's scrapped their Transrapid test track, which is being demolished after an 'impossible' accident that killed 23 people. China isn't particularly happy with its Maglev, and the extension to Hangzhou has been replaced with 'conventional' high-speed rail. Japan's Maglev is still in development.

    So aside from those problems and failures, it is perfect ...
    Well you can understand why people want to leave Birmingham as quickly as possible.

    I mean have you ever been to New Street Station?
    Not for many years, thank goodness. I believe they have/are updating the concourse areas, but the lower platforms will only ever be a horrible concrete brutalist dive.

    Which is another thing in favour of HS2: a brand new, modern station in the centre of Birmingham, based around the superb Grade-I listed Curzon Street station building, the world's oldest surviving piece of large railway passenger architecture.

    (Although IMHO the scheme would be better with a through station in Birmingham, rather than the planned dead-end one. I understand why they made the decision, but it is a shame they made it).
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    BenM said:

    260,000 net migration in year to June 2014. Up from 182,000 prior.

    Great for the economy.

    You are not always an unthinking drone.

    Can you think of any downsides at all?

    Not one?

    Don't worry - the Labour party you love so much didn't think it through either.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I'm a bit bemused by the Tory figure in Doncaster North: it's actually up by 2 points compared to the 2010 general election:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/constituency/b41.stm
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MShapland: Mwhahahahaha #ashcroftpoll #embargo

    @MShapland: Ashcroft sends out constituency polls to MPs before release - anyone panicking in Ed Milibands office right now?

    The git.

    He should respect the embargo.
    Pollsters should stop sending out polls to hacks.
    Except to the editor of PB and I.


    "Me", dammit, "me".

    I know how seriously you take these things TSE.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    AndyJS said:

    Summary:

    Doncaster North: Lab 40%, UKIP 28%, Con 23%, LD 5%
    Sheffield Hallam: LD 31%, Lab 28%, Con 19%, UKIP 11%
    Thanet South: Con 34%, UKIP 29%, Lab 26%, LD 7%

    http://www.conservativehome.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Doncaster-N-Sheffield-H-Thanet-S-poll-summary-Nov-14-1.pdf

    1000 sampled from a population of 70,000 = MoE 3.08%
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Keep calm and smash into the 9-2 for the Tories in Thanet South.
  • AndyJS said:

    I'm a bit bemused by the Tory figure in Doncaster North: it's actually up by 2 points compared to the 2010 general election:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/constituency/b41.stm

    Labour actually gets a boost when Ed is mentioned, it seems.

    The whole thing does look rather peculiar.

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Around 60-70% of UKIP voters have ruled out voting Tory at the next election.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    9-2 Tories Thanet South.

    That price will be gone in about 5 minutes...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    I'm a bit bemused by the Tory figure in Doncaster North: it's actually up by 2 points compared to the 2010 general election:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/constituency/b41.stm

    Labour actually gets a boost when Ed is mentioned, it seems.

    The whole thing does look rather peculiar.

    Sorry Lord Ashcroft, but the Tory figure in Doncaster North just doesn't look credible when you consider the changes in support for the other parties.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited November 2014
    I make that 9 Labour gains and 12 Tory gains from the good lord's marginal polls of 38 E+W LD seats.

    Tht leaves 17 LD holds + 8 unpolled with 20+ point majorities.

    Add Scotland as well.

    25-30 Lib Dem MPs in May 2015.
  • When it comes to managing the economy in the best interests of Britain, 35 per cent ... most trusted Miliband and Ed Balls – which, to be fair to the Eds, is only a fraction behind the 38 per cent who said they most trusted Cameron and George Osborne.

    Which doesn't sound too bad for Labour - until you realise that I missed out the bit which says this is in Doncaster N, i.e. even in a Labour stronghold, the Conservatives are ahead on the economy. That is staggering.
  • FalseFlag said:

    Socrates said:



    Have you never heard of the 30 years war? How many christians have killed christians in the name of christianity?

    If you have to go back to the 17th Century to find an equivalent, you know you're in bad shape.
    Just look on WW2 . All sides claimed God was on their side..
    The Nazis and Communists certainly didn't.


    1. The Emperor of Japan was divine. So God was on the side of the Japanese.
    2. The British certainly did,
    3. Hitler in Mein Kampf wrote:"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator"

    and in a speech said " My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people"
    http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm

    4. The Russian Orthodox Church in WW2 was less repressed.. "There was hardly a soldier during WWII who still remained an atheist in the face of death. Before leaving for front, majority of soldiers put on their underclothes crosses that they had to keep hidden because belief was unpopular under the Soviet regime. Soldiers read prayers before every fighting and always kept in memory the benedictions their mothers pronounced over them before leaving for war. People staying at the home front crowded churches and prayed for the victory of Soviet soldiers. Mothers, wives and sisters were praying for their men who fought and fell victims to liberate the native land from the German invaders. That was the period of Russia’s spiritual revival.."
    http://english.pravda.ru/history/13-09-2006/84417-hitler-0/



    I rest my case.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Seems to be a new thread
  • New thread
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    AndyJS said:

    Summary:

    Doncaster North: Lab 40%, UKIP 28%, Con 23%, LD 5%
    Sheffield Hallam: LD 31%, Lab 28%, Con 19%, UKIP 11%
    Thanet South: Con 34%, UKIP 29%, Lab 26%, LD 7%

    Intriguing dilemmas for Doncaster Tories and Thanet Labourites.

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    We can add a new town to the list:

    Fourteen Somali men guilty of running Bristol child sex ring

    Fourteen Somali men have been convicted of running an inner city sex ring that involved the abuse, rape and prostitution of teenage British girls, it can be reported for the first time.
    Victims as young as 13 were preyed upon, sexually abused and passed around the men's friends for money in Bristol.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11257638/Fourteen-Somali-men-guilty-of-running-Bristol-child-sex-ring.html

    Reminds me of the story from Birmingham

    'People tell me they have heard about Rochdale and Oxford and see it as something which happens elsewhere to other people, but it is happening in Birmingham, it's happening everywhere,'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564678/Teenage-girl-victim-grooming-gang-raped-30-men-just-six-hours-including-father-schoolboy-son.html

    Maybe, just maybe, we should have a national police investigation and inquiry?

    In case you have not noticed these people have been found out arrested and convicted. There are investigations taking place, including one actually into the police. Its pretty pathetic from you pretending nothing is happening when the one thing preventing the start of a major investigation into this is the demands of the victims themselves.
    I haven't said nothing is happening. I have said that there is an endemic nationwide problem, and that some local authorities are up to the job of doing something and others are not. But the only way we'll make sure it's all uncovered is by having a national co-ordinated response.
    Why not have a national co-ordinated response into other crimes too?

    As for local authorities, surely any investigation would be the responsibility of the police?

  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    chestnut said:

    I make that 9 Labour gains and 12 Tory gains from the good lord's marginal polls of 38 E+W LD seats.

    Tht leaves 17 LD holds + 8 unpolled with 20+ point majorities.

    Add Scotland as well.

    25-30 Lib Dem MPs in May 2015.

    No it doesn't , nowhere near 12 Tory gains on an average swing of just 2% . Lib Dem seats 35-39 by my reckoning
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Patrick said:


    I can't believe they proposed it. Really. It is clearly for me the most headline worthy part of the whole Smith Commission. I hope Dave thanks them for their work and just leaves the ability to borrow out of the legislation. It is batshit crazy to let Scotland borrow independently, knowing ful lwell England will be obliged to backstop the loans. It makes final independnce a certainty in my view now. WTF were they thinking?

    Scotland is already getting borrowing powers independent of the Smith Commission under the 2012 Scotland Act.

    Given that the Scottish government under-spends its budget every year its not that note worthy.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Indigo said:

    Speedy said:

    Appetizer until the Ashcroft poll:
    Survation Camborne&Redruth:
    UKIP 33, CON 28, LAB 22, LD 7

    After naming candidates:
    CON 34, UKIP 28, LAB 18, LD 13

    Do UKIP have a candidate there yet ? Seems a little unfair if they kicked out Mr Evans, but haven't replaced him yet. Its pretty dubious if they have replaced him and he barely has his/her legs under the deck and no real name recognition.
    You do know WHY Evans isn't the UKIP candidate any more, don't you?

    Jailed for animal cruelty. Namely, the death of over two hundred sheep. To which he pleaded guilty a week after being selected as the UKIP candidate in Camborne and Redruth...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-30138337

    Minor technicality. Move along nothing to see. We are, not a proper political party/ a new political party/ just a buch of bungling amateurs (delete as appropriate - or none at all) what can you expect? Its not as if he called anybody a 'ting tong'. The WWC are not interested in sheep anyway. Stop victimising UKIP and judging us by the standards everyone else judges other political parties by.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Indigo said:

    murali_s said:

    Viz. The Government's disgraceful decision to privatise the East Coast rail line - is there any way that this can be 'filibustered'?

    It was franchised to National Express East Coast between 2007-9, remind me, who was in government then ?
    I believe you will find 2010 was year 0 to our Labour friends.
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