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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited November 2014
    Scott_P said:

    kle4 said:

    Is it ok for me to support both of those taxes, or am I just ideologically confused I wonder?

    One of them is not a tax, so you clearly are confused
    I know the Bedroom Tax is not really a tax, but its colloquial name refers to it as one, so you'll have to forgive the occasional slip of the fingers when it comes to the terminology. I still support the Spare Room Subsidy then.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    kle4 said:

    I still support the Spare Room Subsidy then.

    You are even more confused then. You mean removing the SRS?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
  • Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    Unlike the last Labour government who kicked the poor in the knackers by abolishing the 10p tax rate to give the middle classes and high earners a tax cut.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Mr Eagles - what is this Johnson Hicks stuff?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited November 2014
    Scott_P said:

    kle4 said:

    I still support the Spare Room Subsidy then.

    You are even more confused then. You mean removing the SRS?
    What I am is not very good at is clarity at 11.24 (or rather 23:24, in case you worry I think it is 1124 in the morning in the UK because I failed to attach AM to the end of it). Perhaps you could insert the words 'the policy regarding ' before the word 'the' to take my meaning.

    Or maybe I should not have bothered defending the government on the effing Bedroom Tax in the first place.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited November 2014
    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    The seventh Tory lead in November. There were only eight in the whole of October...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The majority of people are in debt, is that right? So someone who has £50 in the bank is actually better off than average, which is a slightly odd thought.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Twitter
    Damian Lyons Lowe ‏@DamianSurvation 5m5 minutes ago
    1/2 Not sure why people are getting het-up about Labour possibly not winning Stockton when @LordAshcroft polls show UKIP ahead in Thurrock

    Damian Lyons Lowe ‏@DamianSurvation 2m2 minutes ago
    2/2 Thurrock #1 LAB's tgt list. Stockton #7 @LordAshcroft polls & ours confirm LAB doing > CON in marginals. Some seats R special situations
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.
    I note that our stout defender of NHS budgets has not come out to defend the amount of that budget being spent on his pension rather than patient care.
  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    I have just had a nibble laying UKIP at 1.03 . For a tenner it's worth it to try and win over 300.
    Just beginning to sense this will be close tomorrow. Still massively in UKIPS favour but remember other great upsets like when Hilary Clinton beat Obama in New Hampshire..
  • Tim_B said:

    Mr Eagles - what is this Johnson Hicks stuff?

    The most notorious traitorous pig dogs in this country prior to Reckless were the Cambridge Four.

    Their code names were

    Stanley = Philby, Homer = Maclean, Hicks = Burgess, Johnson = Blunt
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2014
    Come on folks, lets get some liquidity going with the Betfair UKIP share market:

    http://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.115925336
  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    Don't you mean the spare room subsidy...? It is not a tax....it is the removal of a benefit.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Retiring at 55 is a human right..
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    Very kind of you.

    Retirement at 54 is highly recommended. Of course took years of sacrifice and planning!

    How is that?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Mr Eagles - what is this Johnson Hicks stuff?

    The most notorious traitorous pig dogs in this country prior to Reckless were the Cambridge Four.

    Their code names were

    Stanley = Philby, Homer = Maclean, Hicks = Burgess, Johnson = Blunt
    You forgot Cairncross = Lizst
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    RodCrosby said:

    The seventh Tory lead in November. There were only eight in the whole of October...

    Which will be the last month to show a Labour lead before the GE - February ?
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    Very kind of you.

    Retirement at 54 is highly recommended. Of course took years of sacrifice and planning!

    How is that?
    By sacrifice you mean a eight hour per day admin job?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    The way the Tories are still gunning for this
    http://order-order.com/2014/11/19/tories-attack-ukip-plans-to-privatise-the-nhs/

    and Reckless's made-up story

    … suggests to me this is a bit closer than UKIP fancied.

    They will still win, but could be in single figures.

    "They will still win, but could be in single figures"

    Brilliant!

    Imagine a kipper saying, when Reckless defected

    "I'll be a bit disappointed if we don't win by double figures"

    Would have been laughed off PB by the shrewdies saying Tories were the value
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    saddened said:

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.
    I note that our stout defender of NHS budgets has not come out to defend the amount of that budget being spent on his pension rather than patient care.
    Well, where do you expect the proceeds of a Mansion Tax will end up.

    Patient care, or more likely, pay rises?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited November 2014

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    Very kind of you.

    Retirement at 54 is highly recommended. Of course took years of sacrifice and planning!

    How is that?

    Ugh - my taxes paid for you to put your feet up and whine about benefits.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    TGOHF said:

    RodCrosby said:

    The seventh Tory lead in November. There were only eight in the whole of October...

    Which will be the last month to show a Labour lead before the GE - February ?
    There won't be one.

    Night all.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    matt said:

    isam said:

    BBC news london

    School in East London that was rated outstanding has been put into special measures for failing to safeguard it's pupils leading to danger of radicalisation

    I'm sure you can work out where it is and who is suspected

    Why not drop the coded speak and spell out your final solution for anyone who doesnt meet your stabdards.
    Oooh clever!

    A high stabdard of trolling indeed

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Danny Alexander 'will lose seat in 2015 unless there is a miracle turnaround' according to Lib Dem strategist
    Senior Lib Dem strategist privately admits Chief Secretary of Treasury is heading for defeat as backlash against Coalition creates 'anti-Danny' sentiment"

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberaldemocrats/11237298/Danny-Alexander-will-lose-seat-in-2015-unless-there-is-a-miracle-turnaround-according-to-Lib-Dem-strategist.html
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    edited November 2014

    We have crossover.


    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Tories back in front with one point lead: CON 34%, LAB 33%, LD 7%, UKIP 14%, GRN 6%

    ....and I will smash back the crossover return tomorrow.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    saddened said:

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.
    I note that our stout defender of NHS budgets has not come out to defend the amount of that budget being spent on his pension rather than patient care.
    Well, where do you expect the proceeds of a Mansion Tax will end up.

    Patient care, or more likely, pay rises?
    Pension pots for hard working early retiring pen pushers.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
  • We have crossover.


    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Tories back in front with one point lead: CON 34%, LAB 33%, LD 7%, UKIP 14%, GRN 6%

    ....and I will smash back the crossover return tomorrow.
    Nailed on increase on the Tory lead then.

    Who can forget that earlier on this year you said there would be no crossover before the election.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    timmo said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    Don't you mean the spare room subsidy...? It is not a tax....it is the removal of a benefit.
    I love this arbitrary distinction rightwingers make between taxes and benefits. All of Myleene's money has come from the same members of the public who pay for benefits.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
    How much do you think you contribute to my pension?

    Why are you stalking me envy is a terrible PB Tories tell me

    Me
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Danny565 said:

    timmo said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    Don't you mean the spare room subsidy...? It is not a tax....it is the removal of a benefit.
    I love this arbitrary distinction rightwingers make between taxes and benefits. All of Myleene's money has come from the same members of the public who pay for benefits.
    Still smarting from her giving Ed a kicking?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    saddened said:

    Danny565 said:

    timmo said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    Don't you mean the spare room subsidy...? It is not a tax....it is the removal of a benefit.
    I love this arbitrary distinction rightwingers make between taxes and benefits. All of Myleene's money has come from the same members of the public who pay for benefits.
    Still smarting from her giving Ed a kicking?
    I think the MT will be very popular don't you?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
    How much do you think you contribute to my pension?

    Why are you stalking me envy is a terrible PB Tories tell me

    Me
    You think that public sector pensions are self sufficient and don't get topped up by the mug taxpayers ? Lolz.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    isam said:

    matt said:

    isam said:

    BBC news london

    School in East London that was rated outstanding has been put into special measures for failing to safeguard it's pupils leading to danger of radicalisation

    I'm sure you can work out where it is and who is suspected

    Why not drop the coded speak and spell out your final solution for anyone who doesnt meet your stabdards.
    Oooh clever!

    A high stabdard of trolling indeed

    Clever, not really. Accurate, yes.
  • We have crossover.


    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Tories back in front with one point lead: CON 34%, LAB 33%, LD 7%, UKIP 14%, GRN 6%

    ....and I will smash back the crossover return tomorrow.
    Nailed on increase on the Tory lead then.

    Who can forget that earlier on this year you said there would be no crossover before the election.
    TSE - Are you staying up late to set out the Technicolor bar chart illustrating the Tories lead in tonight's YouGov poll or maybe OGH will really surprise us all instead?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Danny565 said:

    timmo said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    Don't you mean the spare room subsidy...? It is not a tax....it is the removal of a benefit.
    I love this arbitrary distinction rightwingers make between taxes and benefits. All of Myleene's money has come from the same members of the public who pay for benefits.
    A tax is an amount of money that is confiscated from your income. The removal of a benefit means that the government stops giving you cash. They are very different.

    All members of the public - except public sector employees - pay for benefits.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
    How much do you think you contribute to my pension?

    Why are you stalking me envy is a terrible PB Tories tell me

    Me
    It's your rank hypocrisy of banging on about lack of NHS funding when so much of it is pulled away from patient care to fund your retirement at 54 that irritates, but you are possessed such a feeling of entitlement because of your sacrifice, despite being an administrator, that you are oblivious to it.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    saddened said:

    Danny565 said:

    timmo said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    Don't you mean the spare room subsidy...? It is not a tax....it is the removal of a benefit.
    I love this arbitrary distinction rightwingers make between taxes and benefits. All of Myleene's money has come from the same members of the public who pay for benefits.
    Still smarting from her giving Ed a kicking?
    One assumes they had the choice as to whether they gave her money or not. Unlike the cash forked over for the Spare Room Subsidy.
  • kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Even more brutal than usual?

    @GuidoFawkes: Ed the Unready, Uncounselled, Ill-Advised, a Leader Surrounded by Fools http://t.co/J0VPpI29Q8

    Surely he cannot be both uncounselled and ill-advised? Even a political party would surely struggle to both not give advice and advise poorly at the same time.
    Bravo! PB pedantry at its inimitable best.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
    How much do you think you contribute to my pension?

    Why are you stalking me envy is a terrible PB Tories tell me

    Me
    How's the Cheshire Farmer?
  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    Danny565 said:

    timmo said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    Don't you mean the spare room subsidy...? It is not a tax....it is the removal of a benefit.
    I love this arbitrary distinction rightwingers make between taxes and benefits. All of Myleene's money has come from the same members of the public who pay for benefits.
    On the myleene front probably not as she sold records around the globe so money came from other regions.
    On the subsidy front why can't left wingers answer the simple question that keeps getting put about why the renting in the public sector in terms of rooms shouldn't be treated in the same way as renting in the private sector?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Just seen this on twitter
    Emmanuelle ‏@_esaliba 11m11 minutes ago
    NY band @Interpol trapped on tour bus just outside of Buffalo. Forced to cancel 2 gigs. https://twitter.com/brandon_curtis/status/534949172848640000
    Tim_B said:

    Spare a thought for the people of Buffalo. Parts of the city got 6 feet of snow in 24 hours. Another incoming storm is expected to dump another 2 feet on parts of the city.

    Ralph Wilson Stadium is under 4 feet of snow. The Bills have a game on Sunday. Because of the driving ban players can't meet or have practices. The call has gone out for diggers needed.

    They will pay $10 an hour and you will get game tickets. What a deal.

    Curiously Buffalo Airport received only 4 inches of snow.

    It's starting to warm up here. By the weekend we wil be back in the 60s.

  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @bigjohnowls

    'Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax.'

    Ed backs bedroom tax in private sector but is against it in the public sector.

    One Nation.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The excellent Andrew Teale reviews Rochester & Strood plus tomorrow's local council by-elections:

    http://blog.englishelections.org.uk/2014/11/by-election-previews-rochester-and.html
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
    How much do you think you contribute to my pension?

    Why are you stalking me envy is a terrible PB Tories tell me

    Me
    You think that public sector pensions are self sufficient and don't get topped up by the mug taxpayers ? Lolz.
    Are you saying envy is a good thing now.

    Pension is part of the remuneration deal if you have a shit pension and arent making up for it in the rest of your remuneration package you are indeed a mug
  • We have crossover.


    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Tories back in front with one point lead: CON 34%, LAB 33%, LD 7%, UKIP 14%, GRN 6%

    ....and I will smash back the crossover return tomorrow.
    Nailed on increase on the Tory lead then.

    Who can forget that earlier on this year you said there would be no crossover before the election.
    TSE - Are you staying up late to set out the Technicolor bar chart illustrating the Tories lead in tonight's YouGov poll or maybe OGH will really surprise us all instead?
    I'm off to bed now.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited November 2014
    The excellent academic results from Trojan horse schools in Birmingham and now Tower Hamlets, must surely present "progressives" with a paradox/headache.

    They despise old fashioned methods of teaching on the one hand, but on the other something has to be pretty bad for them to consider criticising Islam....

    Strict discipline and fear of failure has made these schools "outstanding" in the eyes of OFSTED, until they realised they were also religiously indoctrinating the kids and put them into special measures... but surely we can learn something from them?

    We now know that it wasn't the London Challenge that was helping the capitals schools improve, so why not take the silver lining from the worrying cloud of extremism?

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Even more brutal than usual?

    @GuidoFawkes: Ed the Unready, Uncounselled, Ill-Advised, a Leader Surrounded by Fools http://t.co/J0VPpI29Q8

    Surely he cannot be both uncounselled and ill-advised? Even a political party would surely struggle to both not give advice and advise poorly at the same time.
    Bravo! PB pedantry at its inimitable best.
    You give me far too much credit. If I have pedanted better than others, it is by standing on the shoulders of extremely pedantic giants.

    PB is less good at developing one's skills at tortured paraphrasing and metaphors though.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    matt said:

    isam said:

    matt said:

    isam said:

    BBC news london

    School in East London that was rated outstanding has been put into special measures for failing to safeguard it's pupils leading to danger of radicalisation

    I'm sure you can work out where it is and who is suspected

    Why not drop the coded speak and spell out your final solution for anyone who doesnt meet your stabdards.
    Oooh clever!

    A high stabdard of trolling indeed

    Clever, not really. Accurate, yes.
    In reality it was neither, with a lack of care before posting to boot... tut tut
  • Not been in the news as much lately but Ebola is still a major concern in W Africa. The rate of transmission has slowed in Guinea and Liberia but even so these countries are seeing about 100-150 new cases a week. In Sierra Leone growth is still exponential and is now up to about 400-500 cases per week. There are only around 400 treatment beds in the whole of Sierra Leone.

    There is still only about a quarter of the beds required across the 3 countries. One of the key issues is getting the staff (particularly from overseas) to run them. You can't really blame them when 11 health workers died in the last week and the issue of quarantines for returning health workers.

    There have now been 5 deaths in Mali. A Grand Imam went to Mali for treatment at a private clinic in Mali but was not tested for Ebola. This has only been established retrospectively as a nurse in Mali and members of the Imam's family died from Ebola. Mali is now monitoring 400 contacts and needs to put a lid on Ebola fast. Mali has a much higher population than the 3 countries currently with high infections.

    The latest WHO report can be found here:

    http://www.who.int/csr/disease/ebola/situation-reports/en/?m=20141119
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    timmo said:


    On the myleene front probably not as she sold records around the globe so money came from other regions.

    If I remember rightly, that band she was in only lasted a year. Her "success" since then has only come as a result of her showering in a bikini on I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here. She's the perfect example that demolishes the rightwingers' argument that so-called "wealth creators" have got to where they are through hard work, rather than through undeserved dumb luck.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
    How much do you think you contribute to my pension?

    Why are you stalking me envy is a terrible PB Tories tell me

    Me
    You think that public sector pensions are self sufficient and don't get topped up by the mug taxpayers ? Lolz.
    Are you saying envy is a good thing now.

    Pension is part of the remuneration deal if you have a shit pension and arent making up for it in the rest of your remuneration package you are indeed a mug
    But if a company offered your deal it would got bust. You don't have to worry about that as taxpayers have no choice but to pony up.

    Your pension outcome would cost probably more than a "mansion" that you are lusting to tax year on year.

    Fair play to you for gaming the rigged system - but don't moan at the rank hypocrisy being pointed out.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
    How much do you think you contribute to my pension?

    Why are you stalking me envy is a terrible PB Tories tell me

    Me
    How's the Cheshire Farmer?
    Still protesting about milk prices I think
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
    How much do you think you contribute to my pension?

    Why are you stalking me envy is a terrible PB Tories tell me

    Me
    You think that public sector pensions are self sufficient and don't get topped up by the mug taxpayers ? Lolz.
    Are you saying envy is a good thing now.

    Pension is part of the remuneration deal if you have a shit pension and arent making up for it in the rest of your remuneration package you are indeed a mug
    What makes you think I'm envious of it? I'm in receipt of a civil service pension. The difference between us is that I am aware of what a massive benefit it is. You think you have some right to receive it due to some imaginary sacrifice, you are utterly clueless. And an utter hypocrite with your constant call for better patient care, which obviously can only come about with more spending on staff
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    We have crossover.


    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Tories back in front with one point lead: CON 34%, LAB 33%, LD 7%, UKIP 14%, GRN 6%

    ....and I will smash back the crossover return tomorrow.
    Nailed on increase on the Tory lead then.

    Who can forget that earlier on this year you said there would be no crossover before the election.
    Nailed onTory increase....noted.
  • Paging SeanT:

    Looks like the BBC have finally caught up with what you were saying in the Summer.

    "The Labour Party that was born in Scotland is maybe going to die in Scotland."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30117186
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
    How much do you think you contribute to my pension?

    Why are you stalking me envy is a terrible PB Tories tell me

    Me
    You think that public sector pensions are self sufficient and don't get topped up by the mug taxpayers ? Lolz.
    Are you saying envy is a good thing now.

    Pension is part of the remuneration deal if you have a shit pension and arent making up for it in the rest of your remuneration package you are indeed a mug
    But if a company offered your deal it would got bust. You don't have to worry about that as taxpayers have no choice but to pony up.

    Your pension outcome would cost probably more than a "mansion" that you are lusting to tax year on year.

    Fair play to you for gaming the rigged system - but don't moan at the rank hypocrisy being pointed out.
    Dont see why you support a race to the bottom.

    Companies took pension holidays and then withdrew FS pension schemes for their workers but the Directors remuneration rocketed.

    Priorities my old bean.

    The time has come to put a stop to it all.

    Ed is your man.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
    How much do you think you contribute to my pension?

    Why are you stalking me envy is a terrible PB Tories tell me

    Me
    You think that public sector pensions are self sufficient and don't get topped up by the mug taxpayers ? Lolz.
    Are you saying envy is a good thing now.

    Pension is part of the remuneration deal if you have a shit pension and arent making up for it in the rest of your remuneration package you are indeed a mug
    But if a company offered your deal it would got bust. You don't have to worry about that as taxpayers have no choice but to pony up.

    Your pension outcome would cost probably more than a "mansion" that you are lusting to tax year on year.

    Fair play to you for gaming the rigged system - but don't moan at the rank hypocrisy being pointed out.
    Dont see why you support a race to the bottom.

    Companies took pension holidays and then withdrew FS pension schemes for their workers but the Directors remuneration rocketed.

    Priorities my old bean.

    The time has come to put a stop to it all.

    Ed is your man.
    "Race to the bottom" = journey to financial reality.

    However you are stuck on planet denial.
  • @bigjohnowls:

    But you haven't answered TGOHF's point.

    Do you accept that your pension pot makes you super-rich and therefore should be subject to a tax similar to the mansion tax? If not, why not?

    To put this in perspective, to buy an index-linked pension at age 55, you'd need £1m to get £23,500 per annum:

    https://www.hl.co.uk/pensions/annuities/annuity-best-buy-rates
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited November 2014
    FPT:

    Rexel56 said:

    RobD said:


    Don't think anyone has been arguing about that, just about what Nicky Morgan's role in this was/is.

    Indigo labelled the state of affairs described in the Daily Mail quote as 'total idiocy'. I'm simply pointing out that the Daily Mail report is wholly misleading. A debate whether Nicky Morgan is responsible for something that hasn't happened seems somewhat pointless.
    Quite right. The report never said the school was 'too English'; that remark came from one of the parents, presumably in response to a loaded question from a reporter at The Daily Hate. Rabble-rousing journalism at its worst!
    Just be clear, this is what is commonly know as disingenuous, the report actually said is

    "It is not yet and outstanding school because ... Pupils’ cultural development is limited by a lack of first-hand experience of the diverse make up of modern British society."

    "What does the school need to do to improve further? Extend pupils’ understanding of the cultural diversity of modern British society by creating opportunities for them to have first-hand interaction with their counterparts from different backgrounds beyond the immediate locality."

    "Pupils’ cultural development is good. They learn about different people’s social and ethnic backgrounds, customs and beliefs. However, opportunities for them to develop a deeper understanding of the nature of modern British society by interacting at first hand with their counterparts from different cultural background beyond the immediate locality are underdeveloped."
    http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/provider/files/2432799/urn/120463.pdf

    Which is hardly a surprise when it is a small primary school in a town which is 97% white, so what is the school supposed to do about it ? Bus in minorities to parade before their pupils ? I said it was idiocy, its idiocy. As to whether its anything to do with Nicky Morgan

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11228347/Church-alarm-at-danger-of-Governments-British-values-test-in-wake-of-Trojan-Horse-row.html

    "The Church of England has raised alarm over the Education Secretary Nicky Morgan’s drive to make schools teach “British values” branding it potentially dangerous, divisive and undemocratic.

    The Church, which is responsible for the schooling of around a million children in England, voiced fears that what it sees as a narrow definition of British values introduced in the wake of the Trojan Horse scandal is being used as a test of whether people are "loyal" and "safe".

    It singled out the use of inspectors to "police" whether schools are promoting ideas about equality and diversity as a major concern."
    So that's a yes then.
  • Tim_B said:

    Mr Eagles - what is this Johnson Hicks stuff?

    The most notorious traitorous pig dogs in this country prior to Reckless were the Cambridge Four.

    Their code names were

    Stanley = Philby, Homer = Maclean, Hicks = Burgess, Johnson = Blunt
    And then there were the traitor pig-dogs who signed away our sovereignty in 1973 and 1992...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    saddened said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
    How much do you think you contribute to my pension?

    Why are you stalking me envy is a terrible PB Tories tell me

    Me
    You think that public sector pensions are self sufficient and don't get topped up by the mug taxpayers ? Lolz.
    Are you saying envy is a good thing now.

    Pension is part of the remuneration deal if you have a shit pension and arent making up for it in the rest of your remuneration package you are indeed a mug
    What makes you think I'm envious of it? I'm in receipt of a civil service pension. The difference between us is that I am aware of what a massive benefit it is. You think you have some right to receive it due to some imaginary sacrifice, you are utterly clueless. And an utter hypocrite with your constant call for better patient care, which obviously can only come about with more spending on staff
    You are part of the golden generation and a former Civil Servant OMG

    You certainly know what hypocrisy is then. Bleeding the nation dry with your Civil Service pension and your state retirement benefits.

    How do you sleep at night its like robbing your own Grand kids.

    No wonder the NHS is in deficit!!
  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
    How much do you think you contribute to my pension?

    Why are you stalking me envy is a terrible PB Tories tell me

    Me
    You think that public sector pensions are self sufficient and don't get topped up by the mug taxpayers ? Lolz.
    Are you saying envy is a good thing now.

    Pension is part of the remuneration deal if you have a shit pension and arent making up for it in the rest of your remuneration package you are indeed a mug
    But if a company offered your deal it would got bust. You don't have to worry about that as taxpayers have no choice but to pony up.

    Your pension outcome would cost probably more than a "mansion" that you are lusting to tax year on year.

    Fair play to you for gaming the rigged system - but don't moan at the rank hypocrisy being pointed out.
    Dont see why you support a race to the bottom.

    Companies took pension holidays and then withdrew FS pension schemes for their workers but the Directors remuneration rocketed.

    Priorities my old bean.

    The time has come to put a stop to it all.

    Ed is your man.
    You seem to have forgotten the £5bn/year pension fund tax grab by Gordon Brown.

    That was the key factor in shutting FS schemes.

    And all to support ungrateful parasites like you.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    @bigjohnowls:

    But you haven't answered TGOHF's point.

    Do you accept that your pension pot makes you super-rich and therefore should be subject to a tax similar to the mansion tax? If not, why not?

    To put this in perspective, to buy an index-linked pension at age 55, you'd need £1m to get £23,500 per annum:

    https://www.hl.co.uk/pensions/annuities/annuity-best-buy-rates

    I am not rich.

    Annuity rates are really shite aren't they.

    For mugs IMO

    I had a £200k annuity pot it makes up a pathetic element of my pension.

    Final salary pensions are a much better bet.

    Pity companies only offer them to their Directors these days,

    Thats Global Capitalism for you.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    @bigjohnowls:

    But you haven't answered TGOHF's point.

    Do you accept that your pension pot makes you super-rich and therefore should be subject to a tax similar to the mansion tax? If not, why not?

    To put this in perspective, to buy an index-linked pension at age 55, you'd need £1m to get £23,500 per annum:

    https://www.hl.co.uk/pensions/annuities/annuity-best-buy-rates

    I am not rich.

    Annuity rates are really shite aren't they.

    For mugs IMO

    I had a £200k annuity pot it makes up a pathetic element of my pension.

    Final salary pensions are a much better bet.

    Pity companies only offer them to their Directors these days,

    Thats Global Capitalism for you.
    An old woman living in a 2M semi in London isn't rich - she just has an asset that didn't cost her much but would cost someone now a lot of money to acquire.

    Just like your final salary pension pot.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    saddened said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
    How much do you think you contribute to my pension?

    Why are you stalking me envy is a terrible PB Tories tell me

    Me
    You think that public sector pensions are self sufficient and don't get topped up by the mug taxpayers ? Lolz.
    Are you saying envy is a good thing now.

    Pension is part of the remuneration deal if you have a shit pension and arent making up for it in the rest of your remuneration package you are indeed a mug
    What makes you think I'm envious of it? I'm in receipt of a civil service pension. The difference between us is that I am aware of what a massive benefit it is. You think you have some right to receive it due to some imaginary sacrifice, you are utterly clueless. And an utter hypocrite with your constant call for better patient care, which obviously can only come about with more spending on staff
    You are part of the golden generation and a former Civil Servant OMG

    You certainly know what hypocrisy is then. Bleeding the nation dry with your Civil Service pension and your state retirement benefits.

    How do you sleep at night its like robbing your own Grand kids.

    No wonder the NHS is in deficit!!
    I appreciate exactly what I've got I am part of the golden generation. That is the difference between us I realise exactly how fortunate I am and don't believe that I've made some fantastic sacrifice. You are too dim to appreciate exactly what you have in the shape of your pension your constant harping on for evermore money to be sucked into the tax system, as long as it's not yours obviously, make me puke.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    TGOHF said:

    @bigjohnowls:

    But you haven't answered TGOHF's point.

    Do you accept that your pension pot makes you super-rich and therefore should be subject to a tax similar to the mansion tax? If not, why not?

    To put this in perspective, to buy an index-linked pension at age 55, you'd need £1m to get £23,500 per annum:

    https://www.hl.co.uk/pensions/annuities/annuity-best-buy-rates

    I am not rich.

    Annuity rates are really shite aren't they.

    For mugs IMO

    I had a £200k annuity pot it makes up a pathetic element of my pension.

    Final salary pensions are a much better bet.

    Pity companies only offer them to their Directors these days,

    Thats Global Capitalism for you.
    An old woman living in a 2M semi in London isn't rich - she just has an asset that didn't cost her much but would cost someone now a lot of money to acquire.

    Just like your final salary pension pot.
    Tell her to sell it if she cant afford £250 a month

    Simples
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    AndyJS said:
    Is that a weighted average?

    SUMPRODUCT(lead, samplesize)/SUM(samplesize)
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    TGOHF said:

    @bigjohnowls:

    But you haven't answered TGOHF's point.

    Do you accept that your pension pot makes you super-rich and therefore should be subject to a tax similar to the mansion tax? If not, why not?

    To put this in perspective, to buy an index-linked pension at age 55, you'd need £1m to get £23,500 per annum:

    https://www.hl.co.uk/pensions/annuities/annuity-best-buy-rates

    I am not rich.

    Annuity rates are really shite aren't they.

    For mugs IMO

    I had a £200k annuity pot it makes up a pathetic element of my pension.

    Final salary pensions are a much better bet.

    Pity companies only offer them to their Directors these days,

    Thats Global Capitalism for you.
    An old woman living in a 2M semi in London isn't rich - she just has an asset that didn't cost her much but would cost someone now a lot of money to acquire.

    Just like your final salary pension pot.
    Tell her to sell it if she cant afford £250 a month

    Simples
    Dim, or trolling, I can't tell.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited November 2014
    saddened said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
    How much do you think you contribute to my pension?

    Why are you stalking me envy is a terrible PB Tories tell me

    Me
    You think that public sector pensions are self sufficient and don't get topped up by the mug taxpayers ? Lolz.
    Are you saying envy is a good thing now.

    Pension is part of the remuneration deal if you have a shit pension and arent making up for it in the rest of your remuneration package you are indeed a mug
    What makes you think I'm envious of it? I'm in receipt of a civil service pension. The difference between us is that I am aware of what a massive benefit it is. You think you have some right to receive it due to some imaginary sacrifice, you are utterly clueless. And an utter hypocrite with your constant call for better patient care, which obviously can only come about with more spending on staff
    1 civil service pension. This was not funded by you. I suspect you already know that.

    2 better patient care can only come about with more spending on staff. NO NO NO. It comes about with more efficient processes and better allocation of resources. Repeated processes optimized over time should yield reduced costs.

    Increased spending is not a guarantee of anything. Decent management is the best way to improve.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:
    Is that a weighted average?

    SUMPRODUCT(lead, samplesize)/SUM(samplesize)
    No, just using the topline numbers.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited November 2014
    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:
    Is that a weighted average?

    SUMPRODUCT(lead, samplesize)/SUM(samplesize)
    Last four Labour leads in ELBOW:

    16/11 = 1.4%
    9/11 = 1.8%
    2/11 = 1.1%
    26/10 = 1.1%
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    saddened said:

    saddened said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
    How much do you think you contribute to my pension?

    Why are you stalking me envy is a terrible PB Tories tell me

    Me
    You think that public sector pensions are self sufficient and don't get topped up by the mug taxpayers ? Lolz.
    Are you saying envy is a good thing now.

    Pension is part of the remuneration deal if you have a shit pension and arent making up for it in the rest of your remuneration package you are indeed a mug
    What makes you think I'm envious of it? I'm in receipt of a civil service pension. The difference between us is that I am aware of what a massive benefit it is. You think you have some right to receive it due to some imaginary sacrifice, you are utterly clueless. And an utter hypocrite with your constant call for better patient care, which obviously can only come about with more spending on staff
    You are part of the golden generation and a former Civil Servant O

    No wonder the NHS is in deficit!!
    I appreciate exactly what I've got I am part of the golden generation. That is the difference between us I realise exactly how fortunate I am and don't believe that I've made some fantastic sacrifice. You are too dim to appreciate exactly what you have in the shape of your pension your constant harping on for evermore money to be sucked into the tax system, as long as it's not yours obviously, make me puke.

    If you have nausea please see a Dr

    See 32 yrs in the NHS has made me very caring
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Tim_B said:

    saddened said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.
    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
    How much do you think you contribute to my pension?

    Why are you stalking me envy is a terrible PB Tories tell me

    Me
    You think that public sector pensions are self sufficient and don't get topped up by the mug taxpayers ? Lolz.
    Are you saying envy is a good thing now.

    Pension is part of the remuneration deal if you have a shit pension and arent making up for it in the rest of your remuneration package you are indeed a mug
    What makes you think I'm envious of it? I'm in receipt of a civil service pension. The difference between us is that I am aware of what a massive benefit it is. You think you have some right to receive it due to some imaginary sacrifice, you are utterly clueless. And an utter hypocrite with your constant call for better patient care, which obviously can only come about with more spending on staff
    1 civil service pension. This was not funded by you. I suspect you already know that.

    2 better patient care can only come about with more spending on staff. NO NO NO. It comes about with more efficient processes and better allocation of resources. Repeated processes optimized over time should yield reduced costs.

    Increased spending is not a guarantee of anything. Decent management is the best way to improve.
    1, correct.

    2, poorly phrased by me. My point is that bjo is obsessed with increased NHS spending a large chunk of which which will inevitably end up on staff costs. Which as you say is a bad thing.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    saddened said:

    saddened said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    He must like you, the amount of money in your pension pot makes you significantly better of than the majority of people in England. You don't seem very appreciative.
    The private sector tax - we all pay it so BJO can have a fat cat defined benefit retirement.


    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
    How much do you think you contribute to my pension?

    Why are you stalking me envy is a terrible PB Tories tell me

    Me
    You think that public sector pensions are self sufficient and don't get topped up by the mug taxpayers ? Lolz.
    Are you saying envy is a good thing now.

    Pension is part of the remuneration deal if you have a shit pension and arent making up for it in the rest of your remuneration package you are indeed a mug
    What makes you think I'm envious of it? I'm in receipt of a civil service pension. The difference between us is that I am aware of what a massive benefit it is. You think you have some right to receive it due to some imaginary sacrifice, you are utterly clueless. And an utter hypocrite with your constant call for better patient care, which obviously can only come about with more spending on staff
    You are part of the golden generation and a former Civil Servant O

    No wonder the NHS is in deficit!!
    I appreciate exactly what I've got I am part of the golden generation. That is the difference between us I realise exactly how fortunate I am and don't believe that I've made some fantastic sacrifice. You are too dim to appreciate exactly what you have in the shape of your pension your constant harping on for evermore money to be sucked into the tax system, as long as it's not yours obviously, make me puke.

    If you have nausea please see a Dr

    See 32 yrs in the NHS has made me very caring
    32 years of doing NHS admin has made you oblivious to how fortunate you are, never to have needed to work outside the public sector.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited November 2014
    saddened said:

    Tim_B said:

    saddened said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    saddened said:

    Cameron backs the #bedroomtax but not the #mansiontax. If you’ve got big money you’ve a friend in this PM; if not, he couldn’t care less.

    The Slacker Tax.

    You have to wonder about someone who bottled it at the sight of Lansley.
    Presume you pay the stalker tax.

    This months pension arrives next week will look out to see if there is an analysis of how much you contribute.
    Far too much.

    Who made the sacrifice BTW?
    How much do you think you contribute to my pension?

    Why are you stalking me envy is a terrible PB Tories tell me

    Me
    You think that public sector pensions are self sufficient and don't get topped up by the mug taxpayers ? Lolz.
    Are you saying envy is a good thing now.

    Pension is part of the remuneration deal if you have a shit pension and arent making up for it in the rest of your remuneration package you are indeed a mug
    What makes you think I'm envious of it? I'm in receipt of a civil service pension. The difference between us is that I am aware of what a massive benefit it is. You think you have some right to receive it due to some imaginary sacrifice, you are utterly clueless. And an utter hypocrite with your constant call for better patient care, which obviously can only come about with more spending on staff
    1 civil service pension. This was not funded by you. I suspect you already know that.

    2 better patient care can only come about with more spending on staff. NO NO NO. It comes about with more efficient processes and better allocation of resources. Repeated processes optimized over time should yield reduced costs.

    Increased spending is not a guarantee of anything. Decent management is the best way to improve.
    1, correct.

    2, poorly phrased by me. My point is that bjo is obsessed with increased NHS spending a large chunk of which which will inevitably end up on staff costs. Which as you say is a bad thing.
    That's one of the problems - increased spending is viewed in and of itself as A Good Thing. That's really dumb. During the last Labour government NHS spending was hugely increased. Were there metrics on improved outcomes or less waiting time?. Of course not. But wages went up.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Even more brutal than usual?

    @GuidoFawkes: Ed the Unready, Uncounselled, Ill-Advised, a Leader Surrounded by Fools http://t.co/J0VPpI29Q8

    Surely he cannot be both uncounselled and ill-advised? Even a political party would surely struggle to both not give advice and advise poorly at the same time.
    Bravo! PB pedantry at its inimitable best.
    You give me far too much credit. If I have pedanted better than others, it is by standing on the shoulders of extremely pedantic giants.

    PB is less good at developing one's skills at tortured paraphrasing and metaphors though.
    "Unready" as in "Ethelred the unready" is a mistranslation of OE unraed meaning badly advised or not advised. The writer is therefore actually presenting alternative glosses of "unready" rather than contradicting himself.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Luke Senior selected in Leeds Central for the Purples:

    http://ukip-wlp.org.uk/campaigns/general-election-2015/leeds-central/
  • I keep hearing on TV news, re the possibility of further Tory defections post-Rochester: "If, as expected, the Tories lose, other MPs may conclude their hopes of remaining in Parliament are better served by switching parties". But this is utter bollocks, surely. Save for Thanet South, which current Tory MP is more likely to hold their seat at GE as a UKIP candidate? In a by-election, possibly; but they're not going to face that unless they defect now. The only reason for doing so would be vanity, pique, a wish to screw Cameron over Europe/immigration/modernisation or desire to go out of Parliament with a bang.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The Betfair market has shifted in the last few hours.

    Punters now think UKIP are more likely to get 45-50% than 40-45% in Rochester:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/market?marketId=1.115925336
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