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  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    FPT @anotherrichard

    Morus has moved on to deal with moderation on a more trivial and childish scale than at pbc over at the FT ;)

    http://aboutus.ft.com/2014/09/05/update-on-independent-system-for-editorial-complaints/#axzz3InVmM0OV
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Labour really are confident aren't they....

    http://order-order.com/2014/11/11/lammy-labour-wont-win-in-2015/
  • Neil - Have you picked a venue for the pre Dirty Dicks cocktails yet?

    JohnO has invited me, and well I need to know, does the venue have a dress code?
  • SeanT said:

    May have been discussed (I've been workin'). But have other pb-ers been to the Poppies at the Tower?

    I went last night. It is beautiful, moving and astonishing and, I suspect, the greatest piece of public art I will see in my lifetime.

    This video, with brilliant drone footage of the poppies, has just been seen by 1 million people in a day, on just one website:

    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=404817039669967

    I saw it a few months ago while they were building it and it is very good.

    I really think they should leave it there longer, perhaps until August 2015.

    It would look wonderful with some snow or spring blossom.
  • Neil said:

    FPT @anotherrichard

    Morus has moved on to deal with moderation on a more trivial and childish scale than at pbc over at the FT ;)

    http://aboutus.ft.com/2014/09/05/update-on-independent-system-for-editorial-complaints/#axzz3InVmM0OV

    Talk about getting old and boring before your time ;-)
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @TSE

    Not had the time to book anywhere yet as I have been travelling a lot with work recently. There certainly wont be a dress code but outrageous shoes may be frowned upon.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,986
    Evening all :)

    I visited the poppies back in mid-October on a damp Sunday morning. Just me, Mrs Stodge and a couple of tourists. It wasn't complete but that didn't matter. The misty drizzle accentuated the poignancy.
  • Neil said:

    @TSE

    Not had the time to book anywhere yet as I have been travelling a lot with work recently. There certainly wont be a dress code but outrageous shoes may be frowned upon.

    I'm planning on wearing my crocodile leather shoes.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    SeanT said:

    May have been discussed (I've been workin'). But have other pb-ers been to the Poppies at the Tower?

    I went last night. It is beautiful, moving and astonishing and, I suspect, the greatest piece of public art I will see in my lifetime.

    This video, with brilliant drone footage of the poppies, has just been seen by 1 million people in a day, on just one website:

    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=404817039669967

    Yes, I went on Friday lunchtime... Ridiculously busy but quite moving nevertheless

    My parents went the previous weekend and mum was in tears

    As you say, a great piece of public art
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478

    Neil - Have you picked a venue for the pre Dirty Dicks cocktails yet?

    JohnO has invited me, and well I need to know, does the venue have a dress code?

    I've heard that winklepickers are de rigueur. That leaves me out with my Brasher boots.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2014
    Amazing news — the Manchester to Manchester Airport Metro Link has opened a year early:

    http://www.metrolink.co.uk/futuremetrolink/Pages/airport-line.aspx
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-27937849
  • Toms said:

    Neil - Have you picked a venue for the pre Dirty Dicks cocktails yet?

    JohnO has invited me, and well I need to know, does the venue have a dress code?

    I've heard that winklepickers are de rigueur. That leaves me out with my Brasher boots.
    I'm very fussy about my shoes, I have large and wide feet, size 11.

    Is bloody difficult to find comfortable shoes.
  • Toms said:

    Neil - Have you picked a venue for the pre Dirty Dicks cocktails yet?

    JohnO has invited me, and well I need to know, does the venue have a dress code?

    I've heard that winklepickers are de rigueur. That leaves me out with my Brasher boots.
    I'm very fussy about my shoes, I have large and wide feet, size 11.

    Is bloody difficult to find comfortable shoes.
    I have size 12 wide feet and it really isn't.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SeanT said:

    May have been discussed (I've been workin'). But have other pb-ers been to the Poppies at the Tower?

    I went last night. It is beautiful, moving and astonishing and, I suspect, the greatest piece of public art I will see in my lifetime.

    This video, with brilliant drone footage of the poppies, has just been seen by 1 million people in a day, on just one website:

    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=404817039669967

    Was it open on 4th November? If so, I stupidly missed an opportunity to see it. Got as close as Blackfriars station.
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689

    Toms said:

    Neil - Have you picked a venue for the pre Dirty Dicks cocktails yet?

    JohnO has invited me, and well I need to know, does the venue have a dress code?

    I've heard that winklepickers are de rigueur. That leaves me out with my Brasher boots.
    I'm very fussy about my shoes, I have large and wide feet, size 11.

    Is bloody difficult to find comfortable shoes.
    are you trying to tell us your a hobbit without actually coming out and saying it outright?

  • ZenPagan said:

    Toms said:

    Neil - Have you picked a venue for the pre Dirty Dicks cocktails yet?

    JohnO has invited me, and well I need to know, does the venue have a dress code?

    I've heard that winklepickers are de rigueur. That leaves me out with my Brasher boots.
    I'm very fussy about my shoes, I have large and wide feet, size 11.

    Is bloody difficult to find comfortable shoes.
    are you trying to tell us your a hobbit without actually coming out and saying it outright?

    I am not John Bercow
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478

    Toms said:

    Neil - Have you picked a venue for the pre Dirty Dicks cocktails yet?

    JohnO has invited me, and well I need to know, does the venue have a dress code?

    I've heard that winklepickers are de rigueur. That leaves me out with my Brasher boots.
    I'm very fussy about my shoes, I have large and wide feet, size 11.

    Is bloody difficult to find comfortable shoes.
    My nephew, a good lad, is a (near) champion swimmer. He has inherited my brother's very big feet. I hope that's not my only claim to fame.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    edited November 2014
    SeanT said:

    Summary: Visit Keighley! Europe's very own south central Chicago, but with a new Lidl foodstore.

    And Timothy Taylor's brewery.
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689

    ZenPagan said:

    Toms said:

    Neil - Have you picked a venue for the pre Dirty Dicks cocktails yet?

    JohnO has invited me, and well I need to know, does the venue have a dress code?

    I've heard that winklepickers are de rigueur. That leaves me out with my Brasher boots.
    I'm very fussy about my shoes, I have large and wide feet, size 11.

    Is bloody difficult to find comfortable shoes.
    are you trying to tell us your a hobbit without actually coming out and saying it outright?

    I am not John Bercow
    relieved to hear that I won't have to meet sally on the 21st :)

  • SeanT said:

    As for the Keighley Yorkshire Asian spat, it's worth noting that people would happily say equally nasty, generalised things about Americans, Mormons, Germans, overpaid middle aged white thriller writers, Ulster Protestants, Israelis, Afrikaaners, white British working classes, Japanese men, bald headed bloggers, and dogs, so I see no reason why "Yorkshire Asians" should be entirely immune.

    But what the debate DOES reveal is what an unlovely portrait of Keighley is painted by the local press. Here's the sideboob sidebar:



    UPDATE: Keighley teenager arrested following alleged attack on army veteran in Lund Park

    Four arrested after night of violence in Keighley

    War veteran set on by youths in Lund Park on his way to Remembrance Service in Keighley

    Man taken to hospital after crash in Keighley town centre

    Keighley woman admits making up allegation of serious sexual assault

    Police and fire chiefs team up to hunt 'reckless' yobs who brought Bonfire Night mayhem to Keighley

    Yobs hurl missiles at passing motorists in busy Keighley street

    Trouble flares as drug dealing gangs target Keighley estate

    'Mend your ways or face longer sentences', judge warns teenage repeat burglar from Keighley

    Keighley man in court after police seize £3 million drugs haul

    Keighley man arrested after police seize £4 million drugs haul

    UPDATE: Keighley man, 41, was killed by train

    Murder investigation launched after man is stabbed to death in Keighley

    One-year-old baby and boy, two, taken to hospital after Keighley firework incident

    UPDATE: Police investigate reported serious sexual assault in Keighley's Victoria Park

    Keighley people turn out in force for poignant tribute to war dead

    Keighley nursery suffers spate of vandalism attacks by mindless yobs

    PLANS unveiled for multi-million pound new Lidl foodstore on old Hattersleys site in Keighley


    Summary: Visit Keighley! Europe's very own south central Chicago, but with a new Lidl foodstore.

    David Herdson and Tykejonnie will be the PB experts on Keighley.

    Like many mid sized Yorkshire towns its a deprived shithole with a few decaying Victorian buildings to remind of its former grandeur. On Friday and Saturday nights they become rather neanderthal.

    But again like many mid sized Yorkshire towns the area around it is highly affluent and desirable.

    For that reason Keighley is a Conservative constituency.
  • Toms said:

    Neil - Have you picked a venue for the pre Dirty Dicks cocktails yet?

    JohnO has invited me, and well I need to know, does the venue have a dress code?

    I've heard that winklepickers are de rigueur. That leaves me out with my Brasher boots.
    I'm very fussy about my shoes, I have large and wide feet, size 11.

    Is bloody difficult to find comfortable shoes.
    Why don't you just get them made to measure? Best decision I ever made, so very comfortable, and I've been wearing the same* pair of shoes for nearly a decade now.

    * In the same sense that Trigger used the "same" broom for many years, though I think there's still one original piece.
  • What do other PBers do with their Poppies post the 11th of November?

    Because I have a tub full of old poppies going back a decade because

    1) Throwing them away seems very disrespectful

    2) Recycling them next year seems very tight.
  • ZenPagan said:

    ZenPagan said:

    Toms said:

    Neil - Have you picked a venue for the pre Dirty Dicks cocktails yet?

    JohnO has invited me, and well I need to know, does the venue have a dress code?

    I've heard that winklepickers are de rigueur. That leaves me out with my Brasher boots.
    I'm very fussy about my shoes, I have large and wide feet, size 11.

    Is bloody difficult to find comfortable shoes.
    are you trying to tell us your a hobbit without actually coming out and saying it outright?

    I am not John Bercow
    relieved to hear that I won't have to meet sally on the 21st :)

    Yay, the more the merrier on the 21st.
  • What do other PBers do with their Poppies post the 11th of November?

    Because I have a tub full of old poppies going back a decade because

    1) Throwing them away seems very disrespectful

    2) Recycling them next year seems very tight.

    Obviously you dismantle them and recycle the paper bit.

  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689

    What do other PBers do with their Poppies post the 11th of November?

    Because I have a tub full of old poppies going back a decade because

    1) Throwing them away seems very disrespectful

    2) Recycling them next year seems very tight.

    Personally and I am probably a minority of 1 on this I place them on the pyre of the following samhain and offer a prayer to Morrigan

  • Toms said:

    Neil - Have you picked a venue for the pre Dirty Dicks cocktails yet?

    JohnO has invited me, and well I need to know, does the venue have a dress code?

    I've heard that winklepickers are de rigueur. That leaves me out with my Brasher boots.
    I'm very fussy about my shoes, I have large and wide feet, size 11.

    Is bloody difficult to find comfortable shoes.
    Why don't you just get them made to measure? Best decision I ever made, so very comfortable, and I've been wearing the same* pair of shoes for nearly a decade now.

    * In the same sense that Trigger used the "same" broom for many years, though I think there's still one original piece.
    I did look at them, but it always seemed a long time from ordering to delivery and I couldn't be arsed to wait that long.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    I was thinking (idly) of starting a web site which would be a sort of "lonely feet" meeting place where people with different sized feet---I am one---could trade singles to achieve a good fit.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited November 2014
    SeanT said:

    May have been discussed (I've been workin'). But have other pb-ers been to the Poppies at the Tower?

    I went last night. It is beautiful, moving and astonishing and, I suspect, the greatest piece of public art I will see in my lifetime.

    This video, with brilliant drone footage of the poppies, has just been seen by 1 million people in a day, on just one website:

    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=404817039669967

    It's absolutely incredible (I went yesterday lunchtime)

    For me, it brought home in way that statistics never have the sheer number of casualties: you could see a sea of individual poppies stretching into the horizon.

    We then had a Solemn Requiem Mass today for the 30 members of my family who were killed in the Great War. Again, incredibly moving, albeit for different reasons.
  • What do other PBers do with their Poppies post the 11th of November?

    Because I have a tub full of old poppies going back a decade because

    1) Throwing them away seems very disrespectful

    2) Recycling them next year seems very tight.

    You could sell them next year and then donate the money.
  • What do other PBers do with their Poppies post the 11th of November?

    Because I have a tub full of old poppies going back a decade because

    1) Throwing them away seems very disrespectful

    2) Recycling them next year seems very tight.

    Obviously you dismantle them and recycle the paper bit.

    I like that idea.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915

    What do other PBers do with their Poppies post the 11th of November?

    Because I have a tub full of old poppies going back a decade because

    1) Throwing them away seems very disrespectful

    2) Recycling them next year seems very tight.

    I keep mine and wear them year after year. Doesn't prevent me putting some cash in the collector's tin, just don't bother to take another poppy. Incidentally did you know that in Scotland the poppies don't have the wee green leaf? We just have the plain poppy.
  • Not by me, he's still a traitorous pigdog but only the Sith...

    4m Lord Ashcroft ✔ @LordAshcroft
    @DouglasCarswell forgiven!
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    SeanT said:

    As for the Keighley Yorkshire Asian spat, it's worth noting that people would happily say equally nasty, generalised things about Americans, Mormons, Germans, overpaid middle aged white thriller writers, Ulster Protestants, Israelis, Afrikaaners, white British working classes, Japanese men, bald headed bloggers, and dogs, so I see no reason why "Yorkshire Asians" should be entirely immune.

    People might well happily say such nasty, generalised things, but does that make it ok for them to say them?

    If I said Asian child rapists from Yorkshire, and gangs of Asian thugs from Yorkshire who beat up war veterans are two bunches of despicable c*nts, that would be a reasonable, non-nasty generalisation of those two groups.

    But including near on half a million decent people in a sweeping and unpleasant generalisation, apparently just to make a point to another poster from that group who told a sick joke and refused to apologise, seems quite unnecessary.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    10. Of course they do. Even with all the challenges and factors that could mean whoever wins is out of power for a generation, or whatever the prediction is, each side will think something will come up, they can manage it somehow.

    2. Certainly. Scarcely will any opposition 'deserve' so little given their laziness and lack of inspiration in pursuit of calculated caution, but it isn't madness keeping them favourites right now.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    ZenPagan said:

    What do other PBers do with their Poppies post the 11th of November?

    Because I have a tub full of old poppies going back a decade because

    1) Throwing them away seems very disrespectful

    2) Recycling them next year seems very tight.

    Personally and I am probably a minority of 1 on this I place them on the pyre of the following samhain and offer a prayer to Morrigan

    I have never previously called for the return of the 'like' button (because I didnt like it) but that post almost merits it by itself.

  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689

    SeanT said:

    As for the Keighley Yorkshire Asian spat, it's worth noting that people would happily say equally nasty, generalised things about Americans, Mormons, Germans, overpaid middle aged white thriller writers, Ulster Protestants, Israelis, Afrikaaners, white British working classes, Japanese men, bald headed bloggers, and dogs, so I see no reason why "Yorkshire Asians" should be entirely immune.

    People might well happily say such nasty, generalised things, but does that make it ok for them to say them?

    If I said Asian child rapists from Yorkshire, and gangs of Asian thugs from Yorkshire who beat up war veterans are two bunches of despicable c*nts, that would be a reasonable, non-nasty generalisation of those two groups.

    But including near on half a million decent people in a sweeping and unpleasant generalisation, apparently just to make a point to another poster from that group who told a sick joke and refused to apologise, seems quite unnecessary.
    Again my point...you dont criticize those that make sweeping nasty generalizations about other groups so your fury loses credence


  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited November 2014
    Says corporate man with hundreds of thousands of corporate pension safely in the bank.... I wouldn't let this lie to quote Vic Reeves.... HE IS NOT AN INSURGENT...

    1m Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    @LordAshcroft it's any extraordinary poll. Suggests insurgents can hold off corporate parties....
  • Item 9 Re: antifrank's piece dated 7 Nov linked to his blog "News to No One"
    As I pointed out at the time, this is the most comprehensive analysis yet of each party's prospects at the 2015 GE and for this alone he deserves to win PB.com's 2014 POTY award. Add in antifrank's contributions for the rest of the year (apart from his 3 month late summer absence) and he should be a shoo-in.
  • What do other PBers do with their Poppies post the 11th of November?

    Because I have a tub full of old poppies going back a decade because

    1) Throwing them away seems very disrespectful

    2) Recycling them next year seems very tight.

    You could sell them next year and then donate the money.
    Or you could bury them in your garden in your own ceremony.

    Or simply place them on the nearest war memorial.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited November 2014

    SeanT said:

    As for the Keighley Yorkshire Asian spat, it's worth noting that people would happily say equally nasty, generalised things about Americans, Mormons, Germans, overpaid middle aged white thriller writers, Ulster Protestants, Israelis, Afrikaaners, white British working classes, Japanese men, bald headed bloggers, and dogs, so I see no reason why "Yorkshire Asians" should be entirely immune.

    People might well happily say such nasty, generalised things, but does that make it ok for them to say them?

    If I said Asian child rapists from Yorkshire, and gangs of Asian thugs from Yorkshire who beat up war veterans are two bunches of despicable c*nts, that would be a reasonable, non-nasty generalisation of those two groups.

    But including near on half a million decent people in a sweeping and unpleasant generalisation, apparently just to make a point to another poster from that group who told a sick joke and refused to apologise, seems quite unnecessary.
    To make a point to the same person that thought slagging off the whole of Essex and people from there yesterday to troll me was funny... I was adopting his unpleasant and generalising tone of condemnation of a whole group of people where I happen to come from and throwing it back when the opportunity happened to present itself

    Yet again on here the troller dog whistles and the one who hears it is criticised for responding
  • Thanks everyone for your poppy suggestions, they are all very good.
  • isam said:

    SeanT said:

    As for the Keighley Yorkshire Asian spat, it's worth noting that people would happily say equally nasty, generalised things about Americans, Mormons, Germans, overpaid middle aged white thriller writers, Ulster Protestants, Israelis, Afrikaaners, white British working classes, Japanese men, bald headed bloggers, and dogs, so I see no reason why "Yorkshire Asians" should be entirely immune.

    People might well happily say such nasty, generalised things, but does that make it ok for them to say them?

    If I said Asian child rapists from Yorkshire, and gangs of Asian thugs from Yorkshire who beat up war veterans are two bunches of despicable c*nts, that would be a reasonable, non-nasty generalisation of those two groups.

    But including near on half a million decent people in a sweeping and unpleasant generalisation, apparently just to make a point to another poster from that group who told a sick joke and refused to apologise, seems quite unnecessary.
    To make a point to the same person that thought slagging off the whole of Essex and people from there yesterday to troll me was funny... I was adopting his unpleasant and generalising tone of condemnation of a whole group of people where I happen to come from and throwing it back
    Good for you.

    TSE would have been banned long ago if he was a mere mortal on here like the rest of us, the fact he gets away with some of the disgusting stuff he posts does this site no fav ours.
  • What do other PBers do with their Poppies post the 11th of November?

    Because I have a tub full of old poppies going back a decade because

    1) Throwing them away seems very disrespectful

    2) Recycling them next year seems very tight.

    You could sell them next year and then donate the money.
    Or you could bury them in your garden in your own ceremony.

    Or simply place them on the nearest war memorial.
    take them to sainsbury's - they are offering a recycling service for the legion again.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    FPT
    isam said:



    Why is it ok to make sweeping nasty comments about Essex and people from that county but not on to respond in kind?

    TSE said something about the whole of Essex, or one racial group from there, that implied they were all responsible for a horrible crime actually committed by a handful of people from there?

    If he did point me to it and I'll have words with him as well.

    Or did he make a joke in his usual way?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    What do other PBers do with their Poppies post the 11th of November?

    Because I have a tub full of old poppies going back a decade because

    1) Throwing them away seems very disrespectful

    2) Recycling them next year seems very tight.

    I have an old jam jar full of them from at least 12 years back, it's about time they were recycled but I just leave them there.
  • Why are the poppies being taken away so quickly, they're hardly in the way after all, and what's going to happen to them ?
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    As for the Keighley Yorkshire Asian spat, it's worth noting that people would happily say equally nasty, generalised things about Americans, Mormons, Germans, overpaid middle aged white thriller writers, Ulster Protestants, Israelis, Afrikaaners, white British working classes, Japanese men, bald headed bloggers, and dogs, so I see no reason why "Yorkshire Asians" should be entirely immune.

    People might well happily say such nasty, generalised things, but does that make it ok for them to say them?

    If I said Asian child rapists from Yorkshire, and gangs of Asian thugs from Yorkshire who beat up war veterans are two bunches of despicable c*nts, that would be a reasonable, non-nasty generalisation of those two groups.

    But including near on half a million decent people in a sweeping and unpleasant generalisation, apparently just to make a point to another poster from that group who told a sick joke and refused to apologise, seems quite unnecessary.
    Right now, I think it is fair to be quite nasty about Islam, and Muslims, in general. Thanks to Islamism.

    Such nastiness might get you killed by Muslims, but that's why it is fair to be nasty about them in general.

    Cf Germans and Nazis in about, ooh, 1938. Probably only a (large) minority of Germans actually supported Nazism, but far far too many supposedly civilised Germans *tolerated* Nazism, or supported elements of it.

    Thus, Dresden.



    Sorry its not right to be nasty about anyone in generalizations. It is however neither right to try and shut down such denunciations on the grounds of "right thinking people don't say that". Challenge people on sweeping generalizations and show them they are wrong do not attempt to shut down debate by "cliche aspersions". This is the problem with this country to much is unspeakable and therefore is never challenged. Is there a problem with a sizable rump of racist britons... absolutely. Is there a problem with a sizable rump of racist asians/blacks/afro carribeans...absolutely. Shutting things down on some fronts by either screaming "racist" or subtly invoking the "it makes you sound racist card" allows these problems to grow and fester. No one of whatever race,creed, sexuality or gender has the right not to live in an offence free zone and the sooner we fight with argument rather than aspersion the better.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    Why are the poppies being taken away so quickly, they're hardly in the way after all, and what's going to happen to them ?

    People have bought them all.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited November 2014

    FPT

    isam said:



    Why is it ok to make sweeping nasty comments about Essex and people from that county but not on to respond in kind?

    TSE said something about the whole of Essex, or one racial group from there, that implied they were all responsible for a horrible crime actually committed by a handful of people from there?

    If he did point me to it and I'll have words with him as well.

    Or did he make a joke in his usual way?
    He slagged off my neighbourhood so I slagged his off worse

    It you tread on someone's toes expect a slap

    I don't need any assistance, if I'm the only one to criticise him on here so be it.

    Racism is stupid, saying one part of the country is better than another is too... Childish nonsense that I shouldn't be drawn into. But trolling works unfortunately
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    We've heard the views of all sides on Yorkshiregate and Essexgate and on various individual posters. Indeed we've heard them several times. We also now know what several mostly anonymous posters think of other mostly anonymous posters. No doubt we all have our opinions about each other.

    Could we now give it a rest and talk about politics or betting or, indeed, poppies?
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    As for the Keighley Yorkshire Asian spat, it's worth noting that people would happily say equally nasty, generalised things about Americans, Mormons, Germans, overpaid middle aged white thriller writers, Ulster Protestants, Israelis, Afrikaaners, white British working classes, Japanese men, bald headed bloggers, and dogs, so I see no reason why "Yorkshire Asians" should be entirely immune.

    People might well happily say such nasty, generalised things, but does that make it ok for them to say them?

    If I said Asian child rapists from Yorkshire, and gangs of Asian thugs from Yorkshire who beat up war veterans are two bunches of despicable c*nts, that would be a reasonable, non-nasty generalisation of those two groups.

    But including near on half a million decent people in a sweeping and unpleasant generalisation, apparently just to make a point to another poster from that group who told a sick joke and refused to apologise, seems quite unnecessary.
    Right now, I think it is fair to be quite nasty about Islam, and Muslims, in general. Thanks to Islamism.

    Such nastiness might get you killed by Muslims, but that's why it is fair to be nasty about them in general.

    Cf Germans and Nazis in about, ooh, 1938. Probably only a (large) minority of Germans actually supported Nazism, but far far too many supposedly civilised Germans *tolerated* Nazism, or supported elements of it.

    Thus, Dresden.



    Many Yorkshire Asians are Chinese, many are Hindu or Sikh, some are Buddhists too I expect.

    Why attach them, or indeed entirely innocent Muslims (there are some you know), to the crimes of the bad ones?

    It's not that hard to be specific about which of the Yorkshire Asians you want to aim your vitriol at, nor that hard to include those in their community who let them get away with such despicable behaviour.

    To not be specific makes whoever is making such lazy generalisations sound a bit, well, BNP. Even if they're definitely not racists.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited November 2014
    isam said:

    FPT

    isam said:



    Why is it ok to make sweeping nasty comments about Essex and people from that county but not on to respond in kind?

    TSE said something about the whole of Essex, or one racial group from there, that implied they were all responsible for a horrible crime actually committed by a handful of people from there?

    If he did point me to it and I'll have words with him as well.

    Or did he make a joke in his usual way?
    He slagged off my neighbourhood so I slagged his off worse

    It you tread on someone's toes expect a slap
    Pathetic. Edit - clearly you realise that first post and so have now altered it!!!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    I'll have to say I'd rather be in Essex than Keighley !
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    SeanT said:

    As for the Keighley Yorkshire Asian spat, it's worth noting that people would happily say equally nasty, generalised things about Americans, Mormons, Germans, overpaid middle aged white thriller writers, Ulster Protestants, Israelis, Afrikaaners, white British working classes, Japanese men, bald headed bloggers, and dogs, so I see no reason why "Yorkshire Asians" should be entirely immune.

    People might well happily say such nasty, generalised things, but does that make it ok for them to say them?

    If I said Asian child rapists from Yorkshire, and gangs of Asian thugs from Yorkshire who beat up war veterans are two bunches of despicable c*nts, that would be a reasonable, non-nasty generalisation of those two groups.

    But including near on half a million decent people in a sweeping and unpleasant generalisation, apparently just to make a point to another poster from that group who told a sick joke and refused to apologise, seems quite unnecessary.
    To make a point to the same person that thought slagging off the whole of Essex and people from there yesterday to troll me was funny... I was adopting his unpleasant and generalising tone of condemnation of a whole group of people where I happen to come from and throwing it back
    Good for you.

    TSE would have been banned long ago if he was a mere mortal on here like the rest of us, the fact he gets away with some of the disgusting stuff he posts does this site no fav ours.
    Cheers yeah I agree entirely

  • I'm in a grump... this man isn't helping... This is a long term backbencher who seems upset he never got his hands on a redbox and the sofa ones who are bad at politics in his eyes did...

    Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    What if it turns out top politicians just aren't very good at politics? None of the sofa gang have personally fought and won a swing seat
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689

    We've heard the views of all sides on Yorkshiregate and Essexgate and on various individual posters. Indeed we've heard them several times. We also now know what several mostly anonymous posters think of other mostly anonymous posters. No doubt we all have our opinions about each other.

    Could we now give it a rest and talk about politics or betting or, indeed, poppies?

    Well I have talked about poppies however if I may query isn't human interactions and how we all play (or not) together the soul of politics?

  • SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    As for the Keighley Yorkshire Asian spat, it's worth noting that people would happily say equally nasty, generalised things about Americans, Mormons, Germans, overpaid middle aged white thriller writers, Ulster Protestants, Israelis, Afrikaaners, white British working classes, Japanese men, bald headed bloggers, and dogs, so I see no reason why "Yorkshire Asians" should be entirely immune.

    People might well happily say such nasty, generalised things, but does that make it ok for them to say them?

    If I said Asian child rapists from Yorkshire, and gangs of Asian thugs from Yorkshire who beat up war veterans are two bunches of despicable c*nts, that would be a reasonable, non-nasty generalisation of those two groups.

    But including near on half a million decent people in a sweeping and unpleasant generalisation, apparently just to make a point to another poster from that group who told a sick joke and refused to apologise, seems quite unnecessary.
    Right now, I think it is fair to be quite nasty about Islam, and Muslims, in general. Thanks to Islamism.

    Such nastiness might get you killed by Muslims, but that's why it is fair to be nasty about them in general.

    Cf Germans and Nazis in about, ooh, 1938. Probably only a (large) minority of Germans actually supported Nazism, but far far too many supposedly civilised Germans *tolerated* Nazism, or supported elements of it.

    Thus, Dresden.



    Many Yorkshire Asians are Chinese, many are Hindu or Sikh, some are Buddhists too I expect.

    Why attach them, or indeed entirely innocent Muslims (there are some you know), to the crimes of the bad ones?

    It's not that hard to be specific about which of the Yorkshire Asians you want to aim your vitriol at, nor that hard to include those in their community who let them get away with such despicable behaviour.

    To not be specific makes whoever is making such lazy generalisations sound a bit, well, BNP. Even if they're definitely not racists.
    Careful or you will upset poor Nick.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited November 2014
    SeanT said:

    philiph said:

    Why are the poppies being taken away so quickly, they're hardly in the way after all, and what's going to happen to them ?

    People have bought them all.
    Plus they are not meant to survive harsh weather, they will just crumble if left, and the moat is needed by the Tower (for public functions), and so forth.

    And yet I can't help feeling that this artwork has been so successful and so astonishing (it is being reported worldwide) that it should be "moved" or replicated, somewhere almost as iconic, and in an enduring fashion.

    It would then do what the Cenotaph does not - for all its grave and moody beauty - capture the grief, pathos and quondam futility of modern war.

    Also it's a fecking amazing work of art which will attract thousands to London. Good.
    Possible that the sight of the poppy less tower next week will be even more moving? People that visited the poppies will never see it in the same way again, the sense if something missing May be more poignant than a lasting display
  • We've heard the views of all sides on Yorkshiregate and Essexgate and on various individual posters. Indeed we've heard them several times. We also now know what several mostly anonymous posters think of other mostly anonymous posters. No doubt we all have our opinions about each other.

    Could we now give it a rest and talk about politics or betting or, indeed, poppies?

    Bugger, I'm agreeing with NPxMP again.... twice in a year... maybe I am a hardleftie afterall
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    BBC News very funny.

    A load of employees moaning about immigrants at a rice factory owned by an Indian.

    Priceless.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Previous thread - Has Reckless been Reckless? He will win the by-election but the general election looks much tighter
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    I always buy a poppy then immediately lose it...
  • Good evening, campers.
  • chestnut said:

    BBC News very funny.

    A load of employees moaning about immigrants at a rice factory owned by an Indian.

    Priceless.

    Who supports the Conservatives.... some on here will be along to send him home shortly.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    FPT

    isam said:



    Why is it ok to make sweeping nasty comments about Essex and people from that county but not on to respond in kind?

    TSE said something about the whole of Essex, or one racial group from there, that implied they were all responsible for a horrible crime actually committed by a handful of people from there?

    If he did point me to it and I'll have words with him as well.

    Or did he make a joke in his usual way?
    He slagged off my neighbourhood so I slagged his off worse

    It you tread on someone's toes expect a slap
    Pathetic. Edit - clearly you realise that first post and so have now altered it!!!
    Yeah it is pathetic. Getting drawn into these arguments can have little upside really... it's a fault! No ones perfect!
  • Why are the poppies being taken away so quickly, they're hardly in the way after all, and what's going to happen to them ?

    They've all been sold for £25, £2.50 going to Forces' Charities. The moats themselves are being cleared for marquees used for corporate Christmas do's. I applaud the former and would happily defer the latter to see the poppies stay in their entirety for a while longer.

    However, I see the point that part of the poignancy is the ephemeral nature of the poppy, here today, gone tomorrow and in memory of those 888,246 souls who had no tomorrow. I believe that the artist himself intended the display to be very temporary, just for that reason.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11224615/EU-benefit-tourists-face-being-sent-home-after-landmark-court-ruling.html

    "Belgium already sends letters to jobless EU migrants who have failed the test demanding that they leave because they are imposing an “unreasonable burden”.
    Under EU laws, those refusing to pursue employment opportunities can only stay in a country if they have “sufficient resources” — usually enough to cover rent and basic living costs. Otherwise they are denied the “right to reside”.
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689

    chestnut said:

    BBC News very funny.

    A load of employees moaning about immigrants at a rice factory owned by an Indian.

    Priceless.

    Who supports the Conservatives.... some on here will be along to send him home shortly.
    Very few from what the polls are saying....

  • I'm in a grump... this man isn't helping... This is a long term backbencher who seems upset he never got his hands on a redbox and the sofa ones who are bad at politics in his eyes did...

    Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    What if it turns out top politicians just aren't very good at politics? None of the sofa gang have personally fought and won a swing seat

    Some of the calmer, quieter, less bombastically certain people within UKIP should tell their young Turk that a little modesty would suit him more.
  • The fine and fair home county of Essex is a wonderful place
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    FPT

    isam said:



    Why is it ok to make sweeping nasty comments about Essex and people from that county but not on to respond in kind?

    TSE said something about the whole of Essex, or one racial group from there, that implied they were all responsible for a horrible crime actually committed by a handful of people from there?

    If he did point me to it and I'll have words with him as well.

    Or did he make a joke in his usual way?
    He slagged off my neighbourhood so I slagged his off worse

    It you tread on someone's toes expect a slap
    Pathetic. Edit - clearly you realise that first post and so have now altered it!!!
    Yeah it is pathetic. Getting drawn into these arguments can have little upside really... it's a fault! No ones perfect!
    Don't tell Douglas that .....
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689

    I'm in a grump... this man isn't helping... This is a long term backbencher who seems upset he never got his hands on a redbox and the sofa ones who are bad at politics in his eyes did...

    Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    What if it turns out top politicians just aren't very good at politics? None of the sofa gang have personally fought and won a swing seat

    Some of the calmer, quieter, less bombastically certain people within UKIP should tell their young Turk that a little modesty would suit him more.
    Are you seriously trying to argue milibrand, clegg or cameron are actually good at politics? They are leaking voters like a sieve

  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    HYUFD said:

    Previous thread - Has Reckless been Reckless? He will win the by-election but the general election looks much tighter

    The long-term average is about 40% chance, although defectors do much better than that.
  • Of course when Avery referred to Muslims as 'ragheads' there was a complete lack of criticism from Conservative supporters on this site.

    Likewise its curious that some people here regularly mention a UKIP nobody referring to another UKIP nobody as 'Ting Tong' but never mention John Prescott referring to Chuka Umunna as 'Chumbawamba'.

  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited November 2014
    ZenPagan said:

    I'm in a grump... this man isn't helping... This is a long term backbencher who seems upset he never got his hands on a redbox and the sofa ones who are bad at politics in his eyes did...

    Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    What if it turns out top politicians just aren't very good at politics? None of the sofa gang have personally fought and won a swing seat

    Some of the calmer, quieter, less bombastically certain people within UKIP should tell their young Turk that a little modesty would suit him more.
    Are you seriously trying to argue milibrand, clegg or cameron are actually good at politics? They are leaking voters like a sieve

    I love these arguments..... what makes someone good at politics?

    Clearly becoming Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister, Leaders of the Opposition vs hundreds of other wannabes both who are MPs and don't climb the greasy pole and/or those who didn't even get selected or win an election = those things are irrelevant in being 'good at politics'
  • Of course when Avery referred to Muslims as 'ragheads' there was a complete lack of criticism from Conservative supporters on this site.

    Likewise its curious that some people here regularly mention a UKIP nobody referring to another UKIP nobody as 'Ting Tong' but never mention John Prescott referring to Chuka Umunna as 'Chumbawamba'.

    I'm not sure "Chumbawamba" is actually a racist term for any minority.

  • Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 33%, LAB 34%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    edited November 2014
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:


    People might well happily say such nasty, generalised things, but does that make it ok for them to say them?

    If I said Asian child rapists from Yorkshire, and gangs of Asian thugs from Yorkshire who beat up war veterans are two bunches of despicable c*nts, that would be a reasonable, non-nasty generalisation of those two groups.

    But including near on half a million decent people in a sweeping and unpleasant generalisation, apparently just to make a point to another poster from that group who told a sick joke and refused to apologise, seems quite unnecessary.

    Right now, I think it is fair to be quite nasty about Islam, and Muslims, in general. Thanks to Islamism.

    Such nastiness might get you killed by Muslims, but that's why it is fair to be nasty about them in general.

    Cf Germans and Nazis in about, ooh, 1938. Probably only a (large) minority of Germans actually supported Nazism, but far far too many supposedly civilised Germans *tolerated* Nazism, or supported elements of it.

    Thus, Dresden.



    Many Yorkshire Asians are Chinese, many are Hindu or Sikh, some are Buddhists too I expect.

    Why attach them, or indeed entirely innocent Muslims (there are some you know), to the crimes of the bad ones?

    It's not that hard to be specific about which of the Yorkshire Asians you want to aim your vitriol at, nor that hard to include those in their community who let them get away with such despicable behaviour.

    To not be specific makes whoever is making such lazy generalisations sound a bit, well, BNP. Even if they're definitely not racists.
    I agree. But "Asians" is a euphemism for "Muslims" patented by the Guardian and the BBC when discussing mass Muslim gangrape of white girls, to deflect attention from the facts.

    So direct your ire at the BBC and the Guardian.
    I agree right back and I'd certainly do so if there were any representatives of either on here.

    I have noticed the beeb seemed to shift to referring to the the Rotherham child rapists as "mostly of Pakistani origin", which is somewhat more accurate though they never mention their religion (is it assumed for Pakistanis?)

    I'd like to make clear that I hope everyone will continue to make lazy generalisations about supporters of opposing political parties. Even if they call me rich (which I'm definitely not) because I'm a Tory :)

    And with that, good night all ✌️
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689

    ZenPagan said:

    I'm in a grump... this man isn't helping... This is a long term backbencher who seems upset he never got his hands on a redbox and the sofa ones who are bad at politics in his eyes did...

    Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    What if it turns out top politicians just aren't very good at politics? None of the sofa gang have personally fought and won a swing seat

    Some of the calmer, quieter, less bombastically certain people within UKIP should tell their young Turk that a little modesty would suit him more.
    Are you seriously trying to argue milibrand, clegg or cameron are actually good at politics? They are leaking voters like a sieve

    I love these arguments..... what makes someone good at politics?

    Clearly becoming Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister, Leaders of the Opposition vs hundreds of other wannabes both who are MPs and don't climb the greasy pole and/or those who didn't even get selected or win an election = those things are irrelevant in being 'good at politics'
    being the best of a bad lot does not make you good....its not like the competition was stiff. It would be like me claiming to be a great middle distance runner because I beat stephen hawking in a footrace

  • I'm in a grump... this man isn't helping... This is a long term backbencher who seems upset he never got his hands on a redbox and the sofa ones who are bad at politics in his eyes did...

    Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    What if it turns out top politicians just aren't very good at politics? None of the sofa gang have personally fought and won a swing seat

    Some of the calmer, quieter, less bombastically certain people within UKIP should tell their young Turk that a little modesty would suit him more.
    After the procession of cock-ups perpetrated by both Tory and Labour leaderships in recent years? Carswell has a point. Its clear PPE is a code for a 'Degree in Stupidity"
    .
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 33%, LAB 34%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%

    The electorate seems convulsed by immobility.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited November 2014
    FFS, the 2nd most important news story according to Newsnight...Dapper Laughs. I mean really, no wonder nobody watches Newsnight these days.
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 33%, LAB 34%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%

    The electorate seems convulsed by immobility.
    well apparently 20% of them are disabled after all

  • isam said:

    isam said:

    FPT

    isam said:



    Why is it ok to make sweeping nasty comments about Essex and people from that county but not on to respond in kind?

    TSE said something about the whole of Essex, or one racial group from there, that implied they were all responsible for a horrible crime actually committed by a handful of people from there?

    If he did point me to it and I'll have words with him as well.

    Or did he make a joke in his usual way?
    He slagged off my neighbourhood so I slagged his off worse

    It you tread on someone's toes expect a slap
    Pathetic. Edit - clearly you realise that first post and so have now altered it!!!
    Yeah it is pathetic. Getting drawn into these arguments can have little upside really... it's a fault! No ones perfect!
    Don't tell Douglas that .....
    Is that four or five comments you've made about Douglas Carswell on this thread ?

    Go to bed mate before you make a complete fool of yourself.
  • FFS, the 2nd most important news story according to Newsnight...Dapper Laughs. I mean really.

    I had never heard of Mr Laughs until a few days ago. His main crime appears to be telling duff old jokes. He reminds me of a 18-30 rep.
  • Of course when Avery referred to Muslims as 'ragheads' there was a complete lack of criticism from Conservative supporters on this site.

    Likewise its curious that some people here regularly mention a UKIP nobody referring to another UKIP nobody as 'Ting Tong' but never mention John Prescott referring to Chuka Umunna as 'Chumbawamba'.

    I'm not sure "Chumbawamba" is actually a racist term for any minority.

    Well you could try calling a few black people that and see what reaction you get.

    I wonder what the reaction would be if a UKIP nobody called a black UKIP nobody 'Chumbawamba'.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,074
    Andy JS below mentions the excellent news that the Manchester airport metrolink extension has opened a year early. In fact, I think it's getting on for two years ahead of it's original open date. I can't remember any public project running so far ahead of schedule. Someone issue some serious congratulations.
    Unfortunately, at present, for perfectly reasonable operational reasons, you have to change at Cornbrook to get to the city centre - not yet enough capacity in the city centre - but a slightly imperfect system way ahead of schedule surely much better than no system at all. Particularly one that stops 8 minutes walk from my house.
    Mind you, the trams on that line are almost totally empty at the moment. But give it time. And it at least means - in contrast to the Altrincham line - that it's possible to get a seat.
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689

    FFS, the 2nd most important news story according to Newsnight...Dapper Laughs. I mean really.

    I had never heard of Mr Laughs until a few days ago. His main crime appears to be telling duff old jokes. He reminds me of a 18-30 rep.

    he was a cruise ship entertainer before fame struck I believe so not far off
  • Possible stories for Newsnight...

    Armistice Day
    EU migrant welfare ruling
    NHS Funding Gap
    Paedo Ring Report Release
    Ebola
    ISIS

    Nope, bloke who has created a deliberately sexist character with a stupid catchphrase, isn't having his tv show, that nobody watched, renewed for a second season.
  • SeanT said:

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 33%, LAB 34%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%

    The electorate seems convulsed by immobility.
    Says the would-be MP who was, hitherto, lauding the polls for showing Labour consistently well above 35% for YEARS and YEARS (and of course well ahead of Tories).

    Now you are consistently BELOW 35% and consistently level pegging with the Tories. And you are led by probably the most disliked and disregarded Opposition leader in living memory. And you are facing a Tory party likely to regain votes from from UKIP, a Tory party led by a modestly tolerated and comparatively popular leader, a party likely to benefit from the usual swingback, just as you face mutilation in your Scottish heartland.

    As they say: Good Luck With That.
    Ironically Labour would be doing rather better with Nick Palmer as leader.
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689
    SeanT said:

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 33%, LAB 34%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%

    The electorate seems convulsed by immobility.
    Says the would-be MP who was, hitherto, lauding the polls for showing Labour consistently well above 35% for YEARS and YEARS (and of course well ahead of Tories).

    Now you are consistently BELOW 35% and consistently level pegging with the Tories. And you are led by probably the most disliked and disregarded Opposition leader in living memory. And you are facing a Tory party likely to regain votes from from UKIP, a Tory party led by a modestly tolerated and comparatively popular leader, a party likely to benefit from the usual swingback, just as you face mutilation in your Scottish heartland.

    As they say: Good Luck With That.
    Cameron doesn't deserve a win either. Our best hope is a parliament so hopelessly hung that no one can form a government and they all have to go away and actually find some policies that people actually want to vote for.....not that I have much hope that even that will get the message through. For supposedly intelligent people they do seem a little slow on the uptake

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Rod Indeed, but still looks 50-50 at the general, we shall see.

    I also see Norman Lamb on the news saying the NHS needs yet more money despite the fact it has already been ringfenced and had no cuts at all. If anyone needs more money it is defence, local government, the police, legal aid, the arts, transport etc which have been cut back to the bone, the NHS has plenty of non-frontline spending which can be cut
  • FFS, the 2nd most important news story according to Newsnight...Dapper Laughs. I mean really.

    I had never heard of Mr Laughs until a few days ago. His main crime appears to be telling duff old jokes. He reminds me of a 18-30 rep.
    I'd never heard of 'Dapper Laughs' either. When they said he was a sort of pre-modern, tin-eared funny man undone by the blissful ignorance of his own crassness I presumed it was a nickname for Nigel Farage!
  • Cookie said:

    Andy JS below mentions the excellent news that the Manchester airport metrolink extension has opened a year early. In fact, I think it's getting on for two years ahead of it's original open date. I can't remember any public project running so far ahead of schedule. Someone issue some serious congratulations.
    Unfortunately, at present, for perfectly reasonable operational reasons, you have to change at Cornbrook to get to the city centre - not yet enough capacity in the city centre - but a slightly imperfect system way ahead of schedule surely much better than no system at all. Particularly one that stops 8 minutes walk from my house.
    Mind you, the trams on that line are almost totally empty at the moment. But give it time. And it at least means - in contrast to the Altrincham line - that it's possible to get a seat.

    Manchester appears to be a city that is going places. A 2.7million mayoralty, a wonderful team system. It is clearly the Second City, having left Birmingham for dead.
  • Cookie said:

    Andy JS below mentions the excellent news that the Manchester airport metrolink extension has opened a year early. In fact, I think it's getting on for two years ahead of it's original open date. I can't remember any public project running so far ahead of schedule. Someone issue some serious congratulations.
    Unfortunately, at present, for perfectly reasonable operational reasons, you have to change at Cornbrook to get to the city centre - not yet enough capacity in the city centre - but a slightly imperfect system way ahead of schedule surely much better than no system at all. Particularly one that stops 8 minutes walk from my house.
    Mind you, the trams on that line are almost totally empty at the moment. But give it time. And it at least means - in contrast to the Altrincham line - that it's possible to get a seat.

    Manchester appears to be a city that is going places. A 2.7million mayoralty, a wonderful team system. It is clearly the Second City, having left Birmingham for dead.
    Team = tram
  • ZenPagan said:

    SeanT said:

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 33%, LAB 34%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%

    The electorate seems convulsed by immobility.
    Says the would-be MP who was, hitherto, lauding the polls for showing Labour consistently well above 35% for YEARS and YEARS (and of course well ahead of Tories).

    Now you are consistently BELOW 35% and consistently level pegging with the Tories. And you are led by probably the most disliked and disregarded Opposition leader in living memory. And you are facing a Tory party likely to regain votes from from UKIP, a Tory party led by a modestly tolerated and comparatively popular leader, a party likely to benefit from the usual swingback, just as you face mutilation in your Scottish heartland.

    As they say: Good Luck With That.
    Cameron doesn't deserve a win either. Our best hope is a parliament so hopelessly hung that no one can form a government and they all have to go away and actually find some policies that people actually want to vote for.....not that I have much hope that even that will get the message through. For supposedly intelligent people they do seem a little slow on the uptake

    Where do you think they would 'go away' to ?

    I'll tell you, right back to their PPE echo chambers and metropolitan comfort zones.

    Where they would tell themselves how brilliant they were and how thick and ungrateful the rest of the country was in not recognising that brilliance.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 33%, LAB 34%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%

    The electorate seems convulsed by immobility.
    The Labour lead has probably widened a touch over the past 10 days...
  • Cookie said:

    Andy JS below mentions the excellent news that the Manchester airport metrolink extension has opened a year early. In fact, I think it's getting on for two years ahead of it's original open date. I can't remember any public project running so far ahead of schedule. Someone issue some serious congratulations.
    Unfortunately, at present, for perfectly reasonable operational reasons, you have to change at Cornbrook to get to the city centre - not yet enough capacity in the city centre - but a slightly imperfect system way ahead of schedule surely much better than no system at all. Particularly one that stops 8 minutes walk from my house.
    Mind you, the trams on that line are almost totally empty at the moment. But give it time. And it at least means - in contrast to the Altrincham line - that it's possible to get a seat.

    Manchester appears to be a city that is going places. A 2.7million mayoralty, a wonderful team system. It is clearly the Second City, having left Birmingham for dead.
    Just wait until all those Brummies can get to London twenty minutes quicker, the place will be deserted.
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689

    ZenPagan said:

    SeanT said:

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 33%, LAB 34%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%

    The electorate seems convulsed by immobility.
    Says the would-be MP who was, hitherto, lauding the polls for showing Labour consistently well above 35% for YEARS and YEARS (and of course well ahead of Tories).

    Now you are consistently BELOW 35% and consistently level pegging with the Tories. And you are led by probably the most disliked and disregarded Opposition leader in living memory. And you are facing a Tory party likely to regain votes from from UKIP, a Tory party led by a modestly tolerated and comparatively popular leader, a party likely to benefit from the usual swingback, just as you face mutilation in your Scottish heartland.

    As they say: Good Luck With That.
    Cameron doesn't deserve a win either. Our best hope is a parliament so hopelessly hung that no one can form a government and they all have to go away and actually find some policies that people actually want to vote for.....not that I have much hope that even that will get the message through. For supposedly intelligent people they do seem a little slow on the uptake

    Where do you think they would 'go away' to ?

    I'll tell you, right back to their PPE echo chambers and metropolitan comfort zones.

    Where they would tell themselves how brilliant they were and how thick and ungrateful the rest of the country was in not recognising that brilliance.
    I did mention that I wasn't hopeful the message would sink in.

  • ZenPagan said:

    FFS, the 2nd most important news story according to Newsnight...Dapper Laughs. I mean really.

    I had never heard of Mr Laughs until a few days ago. His main crime appears to be telling duff old jokes. He reminds me of a 18-30 rep.
    he was a cruise ship entertainer before fame struck I believe so not far off
    A lot of his vines are filmed in Clapham, many in an estate agents' so I wouldn't be surprised if he's had a go at that too. If he's got any balls he'll tell Emily she's proper moist. If he chucks his character in, that's the end of him I should think. But good to see there's still a market for sexist humour among the young.... have never liked the way the BBC tries to control comedy.
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