Oh look another Tory hasn't got the memo (only Kippers bang on about Europe)...........
Britain must be ready to 'walk out' on European Union, Matt Hancock says Business, Enterprise and Energy minister says referendum on Britain's membership will encourage other EU countries to hand over powers
Are you still in the throes of your fit of pique over the fact that few wanted to herald Osborne as the great negotiator of the 21st century (isn't it time to let it drop) on Friday?
Let me explain it to you. If you get shafted with an unexpected bill having to pay it next year instead of this is' a result for Britain' but the 35% thinking Miliband would have done worse is hardly a vote of confidence in Osborne / Cameron given the other 65% clearly didn't think Osborne got the best deal out there.
Incidentally did you spot the bottom line:
The poll found that support for leaving the EU is at 54 per cent, while just 31 per cent want to remain.
Lucy Powell doing a great job,has any spin doctor achieved so much in such a short period of time?
I you know heard Lucy you know Powell on R5 you know this morning. What an you know AWFUL you know communicator you know! She you know sounded you know about you know 17. Every sentence had you know 3 "you know" making it you know incredibly irritating to you know listen to her.
Given their strong showings for people in this poll in and outside of their home nations, perhaps PC and SNP should consider standing in the rest of Britain? It would be kind of hilarious for Labour to find themselves bleeding votes to the SNP in northern England as the only real alternative to the Tories!
There is near unanimity on more issues than people imagine. I'm surprised it is only 23%, I'd have thought the lowest anyone could get with a mainstream party was 33% or so.
As ever with these quizzes they are somewhat wide of the mark. For example it does not recognise that UKIP are in favour of Grammar Schools, want a Royal Commission on the legalization of drugs and are in favour of abolishing the HoL amongst other things
Which explains why I was as much Conservative as UKIP
But decided to do it again giving what I think are the same answers but tinkering with the 'how important is this to you setting'. Lab are the biggest losers, with UKIP and the Greens rising.
Con 77 LD 66 UKIP 62 Green 54 PC 41 Lab 39 (tied with SNP)
Now I don't agree with anyone on domestic policy apparently.
As ever with these quizzes they are somewhat wide of the mark. For example it does not recognise that UKIP are in favour of Grammar Schools, want a Royal Commission on the legalization of drugs and are in favour of abolishing the HoL amongst other things
Which explains why I was as much Conservative as UKIP
That's a relief. I was worried when the Conservatives came out on top for me. Grammar schools is an important issue for me.
"David Cameron has said that he would like to renegotiate the terms of Britain’s membership of the European Union and hold a vote on the new terms to decide whether Britain should stay in the EU or leave. If David Cameron were able to secure a deal that he said redefined the terms of Britain’s membership and recommended that, as a result, Britain should now remain in the EU, how do you think you would vote in a referendum?"
"David Cameron has said that he would like to renegotiate the terms of Britain’s membership of the European Union and hold a vote on the new terms to decide whether Britain should stay in the EU or leave. If David Cameron were able to secure a deal that he said redefined the terms of Britain’s membership and recommended that, as a result, Britain should now remain in the EU, how do you think you would vote in a referendum?"
Lab/Lib/Green/Plaid in the 80s, everyone else below 30. The perfect leftie tactical voting recipient, innit. Watch me hoover up those wavering Plaid voters.
"It turns out that likeability is closely associated with other desirable traits that a successful leader needs, such as being seen as competent, decisive, in touch with ordinary people and honest."
I support fracking and got 54% for the Greens - what option did you pick? Quote Monty Burns?
"Oh, so Mother Nature needs a favor?! Well, maybe she should have thought of that when she was besetting us with droughts and floods and poison monkeys! Nature started the fight for survival, and now she wants to quit because she's losing?! Well, I say, hard cheese."
87% Con 87% UKIP 25% Lab 10% Libdem (and no significant areas of mutual agreement)
I think that makes me a small 'C' conservative
Considering I hated the tories in the 90's......
96% con
I doubt even the PM would score that highly.
Would be truly fascinating if some of our MP's would undertake this test.
Well, we have one past and soon to be MP who's obliged at least.
In all seriousness, while we all know how suspect these sorts of things can be, I find it amusing to picture party associations putting candidates through them to save time, and filtering out those who are not suitably committed, or alternately making sure that, say, a prospective Tory MP leans closely enough to UKIP for their purposes.
"No, please, I'm Conservative to my bones!" "Sorry, the computer says you have a 65% match with the LDs as well, pinko. Take him away!"
"David Cameron has said that he would like to renegotiate the terms of Britain’s membership of the European Union and hold a vote on the new terms to decide whether Britain should stay in the EU or leave. If David Cameron were able to secure a deal that he said redefined the terms of Britain’s membership and recommended that, as a result, Britain should now remain in the EU, how do you think you would vote in a referendum?"
Claiming that Tesco accounting changed the terms of the deal, and arguing that hundreds of billions being coughed up to the EU is a victory has screwed the credibility of the Tories now. It will be increasingly hard for the Tories to claim a renegotiation is anything meaningful, unless they get a hard, bankable commitment on immigration. And tinkering with benefits and the unemployed ones won't do it. They should start by demanding a points system, and settle for an emergency brake.
The Express plays a cruel trick on its readers tomorrow. Its headline blares: "NOW YOU CAN LIVE UNTIL 120". Then in line two, it writes: "The key is to adopt a healthy lifestyle while still young."
Given the age group the Express caters to, it's a bit late for most of them now.
I think I am just confused. Slightly surprised that I am not more Lib Dem to be honest. Last time I did one of these it was pretty close between them and the Tories.
I'm pretty sure had it asked about EU membership or an English parliament I would have UKIP with a healthy lead. Tories would have taken a big hit on civil liberties too.
"It turns out that likeability is closely associated with other desirable traits that a successful leader needs, such as being seen as competent, decisive, in touch with ordinary people and honest."
Quite a lot of people see politics as essentially a team sport and they do go by whom they like. The tiny proportion of Con<->Lab switchers that we've seen throughout the Parliament may have a lot to do with that - people may think intellectually that they might go for the other side, but when they inagine actually voting for them, euuu.
Mine is the weirdest, LAB 75, BNP 71, LD 63, CON 61, UKIP 52. Probably because none of those issues questioned were that paramount of importance beyond the somewhat important.
"It turns out that likeability is closely associated with other desirable traits that a successful leader needs, such as being seen as competent, decisive, in touch with ordinary people and honest."
people may think intellectually that they might go for the other side, but when they imagine actually voting for them, euuu.
I think that is quite correct, and one of the most unfortunate aspects of tribal politics. People may support a policy until they find out which party is supporting it, in the most extreme examples going against something they actually support because of how they think they should be voting. If it were a weighing up exercise, like supporting Tory economic policies but that not being worth the cost of their other policies that would be one thing, but we all know I think how few people vote in such a calculated way (not me, though I try - I suspect I am more inclined to be sceptical of Labour due to growing up a) under Blair, and b) in the Tory heartlands).
A hard problem to fix, though that people from committed Tory/Labour families can end up going against the mould brings some hope.
87% Con 87% UKIP 25% Lab 10% Libdem (and no significant areas of mutual agreement)
I think that makes me a small 'C' conservative
Mine were
91% Green 85% LibDem 79% Plaid 78% SNP (skewed by no question re DevoMax!) 74% Labour (except for my opinion of the Scottish sub-region) 17% UKIP 16% Conservative
91% Green 85% LibDem 79% Plaid 78% SNP (skewed by no question re DevoMax!) 74% Labour (except for my opinion of the Scottish sub-region) 17% UKIP 16% Conservative
Guess that puts me at odds with most of PB...
Not entirely. I was 86% Lib Dem and 78% Green with Labour in the 50s. Conservative at 32 and UKIP at 20.
Totally predictable and reassuring. My inner kipper remains firmly suppressed.
Looks like Opinium have released their tables on a Sunday, so, as hinted at earlier, here is this week's Sunil on Sunday ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week): 10 polls with field-work end-dates from 2nd to 8th November, total weighted sample 12,891.
I'm pretty sure had it asked about EU membership or an English parliament I would have UKIP with a healthy lead. Tories would have taken a big hit on civil liberties too.
You need to click on the links for additional questions at the bottom of each section.
Looks like Opinium have released their tables on a Sunday, so, as hinted at earlier, here is this week's Sunil on Sunday ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week): 10 polls with field-work end-dates from 2nd to 8th November, total weighted sample 12,891.
By the way, is UKIP's policy not to reinstate grammar schools? I thought it was, but the survey is telling me NONE of the parties have that as a policy (I selected the option in favour of them).
Looks like Opinium have released their tables on a Sunday, so, as hinted at earlier, here is this week's Sunil on Sunday ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week): 10 polls with field-work end-dates from 2nd to 8th November, total weighted sample 12,891.
Looks like Opinium have released their tables on a Sunday, so, as hinted at earlier, here is this week's Sunil on Sunday ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week): 10 polls with field-work end-dates from 2nd to 8th November, total weighted sample 12,891.
By the way, is UKIP's policy not to reinstate grammar schools? I thought it was, but the survey is telling me NONE of the parties have that as a policy (I selected the option in favour of them).
UKIP's policy is to reintroduce grammar schools, its just the quiz is uninformed in certain ways and says it doesn't know what the UKIP policy is. Its the same with the Trident question and UKIP are in favour of renewing trident as well. There's at least half a dozen questions where the UKIP position is not properly represented. I have no idea what the state of play with the other parties is.
Danny565 UKIP policy is to allow schools to convert to become grammar schools if they like
Also, just come back from an amusing comedy evening with Jo Brand, she ventured into politics and discussing key politicians, general boos for all except Boris, one lone woman said she liked Ed Miliband, to which Jo B quipped 'thankyou Mrs Miliband!'
I'm pretty sure had it asked about EU membership or an English parliament I would have UKIP with a healthy lead. Tories would have taken a big hit on civil liberties too.
You need to click on the links for additional questions at the bottom of each section.
Thanks for that, I did it again and the results are different but just as weird. SNP 66, BNP 64, UKIP 63, GRN 61, LAB 60, LD 51, PC 46, CON 39.
I'm pretty sure had it asked about EU membership or an English parliament I would have UKIP with a healthy lead. Tories would have taken a big hit on civil liberties too.
You need to click on the links for additional questions at the bottom of each section.
Thanks for that, I did it again and the results are different but just as weird. SNP 66, BNP 64, UKIP 63, GRN 61, LAB 60, LD 51, PC 46, CON 39.
Seems that I'm the ultimate swing voter.
I redid mine and now instead of 87-87 UKIP-Con it's 92-86 so it I think its pretty clear where I stand on their political spectrum.
Is that the rag with tomorrow's story re lack of Brits willing to make sandwiches for M&S?
The key question is of course what are they willing to pay for the sandwich workers salary?
It will depend on the going rate, for other jobs in that sector.
On anotther note, The Times has a front page story about Ed M. ITV have had Rochdale MP offering advice and criticism. Story not yet over?
I expect a lot of benefit sanctions in that area.... There's very little messing around now at the DWP, and a resigned acceptance by many on benefits that they'll have to work if they can.
It is quite a sea change out there in such a relatively short space of time.
Powell, who said “cowardly” attacks on Miliband would create the worst of all worlds, issued a put-up-or-shut-up challenge to Miliband’s critics. She said: “They are feeding the beast and they are feeding the monster in terms of the press.
After Mr. Ed's tussle with a bacon butty I think his inner circle should steer well clear of phrases such as 'feeding the beast'
Conservative 73% UKIP 69% LD 53% Labour 36% BNP 19% SNP 13% Green 13% PC 10%
Ironically I have only ever voted for my 1st, 3rd and last party (albeit only because in 1 Aberystwyth council ward PC were the only party standing for all the seats and I always make sure I use all my votes)
Plaid Cymru 70 SNP 64 Lib Dem 61 Green 60 Labour 51 Conservatives 30 BNP 2 UKIP 1
As I live in England the top two don't mean anything, of course. But it's quite a curious set of scores for someone who has voted Conservative at every GE since 1997. Not that I was planning on doing so again, of course, but even so... Interesting.
Been to the most fantastic place today Donna Nook if you ever get a chance to go between start of November and Mid December it is highly recommended.
For much of the year grey seals at the Lincolnshire Wildlife Trusts’ Donna Nook National Nature Reserve are at sea or hauled out on distant sandbanks. Every November and December, the seals give birth to their pups near the sand dunes: a wildlife spectacle which attracts visitors from across the UK.
Plaid Cymru 70 SNP 64 Lib Dem 61 Green 60 Labour 51 Conservatives 30 BNP 2 UKIP 1
As I live in England the top two don't mean anything, of course. But it's quite a curious set of scores for someone who has voted Conservative at every GE since 1997. Not that I was planning on doing so again, of course, but even so... Interesting.
But these questions are always meaningless.
Eg for you support reintroduction of selective education and grammar schools? Yes/no
Well, I am yes to selective education and no to grammar schools, so how should I answer?
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Let me explain it to you. If you get shafted with an unexpected bill having to pay it next year instead of this is' a result for Britain' but the 35% thinking Miliband would have done worse is hardly a vote of confidence in Osborne / Cameron given the other 65% clearly didn't think Osborne got the best deal out there.
Incidentally did you spot the bottom line:
The poll found that support for leaving the EU is at 54 per cent, while just 31 per cent want to remain.
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Clearly they have got the right memo............
89% Lab
88% LibDem
85% Green
82% SNP
43% UKIP
28% Tory
28% BNP!
So I guess that makes me a Lab/LibDem/SNP/Green coalition. Could be!
23% Labour - puh! How did that happen?
I side with Conservatives on most political issues.
Con 82%, UKIP 74%, LD 69%, SNP 58%, Lab 51%
33.4% Lab
31.6% Con
16.3% UKIP
7.8% LD
Got 18% BNP. Anyone higher?
96% con
91% ukip
58% Lib Dem
23% Labour
Which explains why I was as much Conservative as UKIP
Social issues really bumped up my Lib Dem score.
UKIP - 89 %
LD - 56%
BNP - 46% - maybe because I selected 'shoot on sight' for immigration policy??
Lab - 37%
PC - 25%
SNP - 25%
Green - 8%
Very disappointed in the lack of option to make HoL fully hereditary.
78% Con
69% LD
59% UKIP
53% Lab
51% Green
But decided to do it again giving what I think are the same answers but tinkering with the 'how important is this to you setting'. Lab are the biggest losers, with UKIP and the Greens rising.
Con 77
LD 66
UKIP 62
Green 54
PC 41
Lab 39 (tied with SNP)
Now I don't agree with anyone on domestic policy apparently.
"David Cameron has said that he would like to renegotiate the terms of Britain’s membership of the European Union and hold a vote on the new terms to decide whether Britain should stay in the EU or leave. If David Cameron were able to secure a deal that he said redefined the terms of Britain’s membership and recommended that, as a result, Britain should now remain in the EU, how do you think you would vote in a referendum?"
Leave: 43%
Stay: 40%
http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/sites/ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/files/vi_04_11_2014_tables.pdf
http://theconversation.com/voter-survey-shows-miliband-panic-is-overblown-33975
The suspect sentence looks to be this one:
"It turns out that likeability is closely associated with other desirable traits that a successful leader needs, such as being seen as competent, decisive, in touch with ordinary people and honest."
"Oh, so Mother Nature needs a favor?! Well, maybe she should have thought of that when she was besetting us with droughts and floods and poison monkeys! Nature started the fight for survival, and now she wants to quit because she's losing?! Well, I say, hard cheese."
In all seriousness, while we all know how suspect these sorts of things can be, I find it amusing to picture party associations putting candidates through them to save time, and filtering out those who are not suitably committed, or alternately making sure that, say, a prospective Tory MP leans closely enough to UKIP for their purposes.
"No, please, I'm Conservative to my bones!"
"Sorry, the computer says you have a 65% match with the LDs as well, pinko. Take him away!"
25% CON
73% GREEN
I will have to chop off 25% of my limbs
Given the age group the Express caters to, it's a bit late for most of them now.
I think I am just confused. Slightly surprised that I am not more Lib Dem to be honest. Last time I did one of these it was pretty close between them and the Tories.
80% UKIP
51% Lib Dems
I'm pretty sure had it asked about EU membership or an English parliament I would have UKIP with a healthy lead. Tories would have taken a big hit on civil liberties too.
Probably because none of those issues questioned were that paramount of importance beyond the somewhat important.
BNP 75%
Con 73%
Lab 67%
LD 64%
A hard problem to fix, though that people from committed Tory/Labour families can end up going against the mould brings some hope.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2CD70TCYAAWWdO.jpg
I haven't been on site today nor read this thread so apologise if others have already gone down this route.
91% Green
85% LibDem
79% Plaid
78% SNP (skewed by no question re DevoMax!)
74% Labour (except for my opinion of the Scottish sub-region)
17% UKIP
16% Conservative
Guess that puts me at odds with most of PB...
In fact one of my most notorious chat up lines involves sandwiches.
Con 87%
LD 59%
BNP 43%
Lab 27%
No surprise
Labour 91% - economic, domestic, health, social, immigration, environment, transport
SNP 83% - economic, health, domestic, transport
Lib Dems 80% - economic, social, health, environment
Plaid Cymru 80% - economic, health, social, domestic, transport
Green 78% - economic, domestic, health, transport
BNP 58%(!!!) - economic, immigration, health, transport
Conservatives 43% - education, immigration, environment
UKIP 21% - immigration
Tory. 84%
BNP 63%
Labour 39%
Lib Dem 23%
Totally predictable and reassuring. My inner kipper remains firmly suppressed.
Lab 33.4% (+0.8)
Con 31.6% (+0.1)
UKIP 16.3% (-1.0)
LD 7.8% (+0.1)
Lab lead 1.8% (+0.7%)
comparisons with our first ELBOW on 17th August:
Lab -2.8%
Con -1.5%
UKIP +3.2%
LD -1.0%
Lab lead -1.2% (ie. was 3.0%, now 1.8%)
http://www.earlofsandwichusa.com/
http://www.earlofsandwich.co.uk/
The Mail should do an exclusive interview.
If not, then you're a polling denier!
ThicknessWisdom Index!Should we be worried?
Also, just come back from an amusing comedy evening with Jo Brand, she ventured into politics and discussing key politicians, general boos for all except Boris, one lone woman said she liked Ed Miliband, to which Jo B quipped 'thankyou Mrs Miliband!'
SNP 66, BNP 64, UKIP 63, GRN 61, LAB 60, LD 51, PC 46, CON 39.
Seems that I'm the ultimate swing voter.
On anotther note, The Times has a front page story about Ed M. ITV have had Rochdale MP offering advice and criticism. Story not yet over?
It is quite a sea change out there in such a relatively short space of time.
My BLT is to die for.
(Beetroot/Liver & Turnip)
Powell, who said “cowardly” attacks on Miliband would create the worst of all worlds, issued a put-up-or-shut-up challenge to Miliband’s critics. She said: “They are feeding the beast and they are feeding the monster in terms of the press.
After Mr. Ed's tussle with a bacon butty I think his inner circle should steer well clear of phrases such as 'feeding the beast'
Conservative 73%
UKIP 69%
LD 53%
Labour 36%
BNP 19%
SNP 13%
Green 13%
PC 10%
Ironically I have only ever voted for my 1st, 3rd and last party (albeit only because in 1 Aberystwyth council ward PC were the only party standing for all the seats and I always make sure I use all my votes)
Plaid Cymru 70
SNP 64
Lib Dem 61
Green 60
Labour 51
Conservatives 30
BNP 2
UKIP 1
As I live in England the top two don't mean anything, of course. But it's quite a curious set of scores for someone who has voted Conservative at every GE since 1997. Not that I was planning on doing so again, of course, but even so... Interesting.
For much of the year grey seals at the Lincolnshire Wildlife Trusts’ Donna Nook National Nature Reserve are at sea or hauled out on distant sandbanks.
Every November and December, the seals give birth to their pups near the sand dunes: a wildlife spectacle which attracts visitors from across the UK.
454 pups born so far superb spectacle and free,
Eg for you support reintroduction of selective education and grammar schools? Yes/no
Well, I am yes to selective education and no to grammar schools, so how should I answer?