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  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited November 2014
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andrew Farmer does exist.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Farmer

    People are clearly more interested in politics than we thought.

    The most astute 15%!
    You don't have to answer, and I understand why you won't.

    But what exactly is your job, because it involves a lot of air travel, are you an Air Marshal?

    (I think you once said, it was something sciencey?)
    "Professional" stargazer ;)

    I did lol at Air Marshal though!
    Nah, you travel way too much for that. I reckon you're a spy
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    philiph said:

    For those with little to do this Sunday evening here is one of those political quiz thingies to play with:

    http://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

    Mine came out:

    87% Con
    87% UKIP
    25% Lab
    10% Libdem (and no significant areas of mutual agreement)

    I think that makes me a small 'C' conservative

    HELP!!!!!

    Con 78 UKIP 74 Libdem 60 Lab 54

    That may well mean I'm a mess
    93% UKIP. It's official!
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited November 2014
    felix said:

    Oh look another Tory hasn't got the memo (only Kippers bang on about Europe)...........

    Britain must be ready to 'walk out' on European Union, Matt Hancock says
    Business, Enterprise and Energy minister says referendum on Britain's membership will encourage other EU countries to hand over powers


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11219828/Britain-must-be-ready-to-walk-out-on-European-Union-Matt-Hancock-says.html

    Has this Osborne outrider gone native or is this the ground prep for the mother of all u-turns by the Tory leadership?


    Voters back Cameron on EU cash
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827026/Voters-Cameron-EU-cash-half-Mail-Sunday-poll-say-PM-right-stand-Brussels-1-75bn-bill.html

    The public seem to have got the memo though.
    Are you still in the throes of your fit of pique over the fact that few wanted to herald Osborne as the great negotiator of the 21st century (isn't it time to let it drop) on Friday?

    Let me explain it to you. If you get shafted with an unexpected bill having to pay it next year instead of this is' a result for Britain' but the 35% thinking Miliband would have done worse is hardly a vote of confidence in Osborne / Cameron given the other 65% clearly didn't think Osborne got the best deal out there.

    Incidentally did you spot the bottom line:

    The poll found that support for leaving the EU is at 54 per cent, while just 31 per cent want to remain.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827026/Voters-Cameron-EU-cash-half-Mail-Sunday-poll-say-PM-right-stand-Brussels-1-75bn-bill.html#ixzz3IbkVucUM
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    Clearly they have got the right memo............
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    john_zims said:

    @surbiton

    Lucy Powell doing a great job,has any spin doctor achieved so much in such a short period of time?

    I you know heard Lucy you know Powell on R5 you know this morning. What an you know AWFUL you know communicator you know! She you know sounded you know about you know 17. Every sentence had you know 3 "you know" making it you know incredibly irritating to you know listen to her.
    Corrected it for you :)
    Like, you know....

  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,679

    For those with little to do this Sunday evening here is one of those political quiz thingies to play with:

    http://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

    Mine came out:

    87% Con
    87% UKIP
    25% Lab
    10% Libdem (and no significant areas of mutual agreement)

    I think that makes me a small 'C' conservative

    Mine came out

    89% Lab
    88% LibDem
    85% Green
    82% SNP
    43% UKIP
    28% Tory
    28% BNP!

    So I guess that makes me a Lab/LibDem/SNP/Green coalition. Could be!


  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andrew Farmer does exist.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Farmer

    People are clearly more interested in politics than we thought.

    The most astute 15%!
    You don't have to answer, and I understand why you won't.

    But what exactly is your job, because it involves a lot of air travel, are you an Air Marshal?

    (I think you once said, it was something sciencey?)
    "Professional" stargazer ;)

    I did lol at Air Marshal though!
    Nah, you travel way too much for that. I reckon you're a spy
    I did watch Skyfall on the plane yesterday.. if that counts ;)
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    I came out with 80% Conservative, 76% UKIP, 75% LD, 66% Labour. 62% Green. No wonder I'm confused.
  • 87% Lib Dem, somewhat more surprisingly 78% Plaid Cymru.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    antifrank said:

    87% Lib Dem, somewhat more surprisingly 78% Plaid Cymru.

    I didn't see the question about sheep
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Plaid Cymru 71%, Lib Dems 68%, SNP 65%
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    78% Con, 61% UKIP, 61% LibDem, 23% Labour....

    23% Labour - puh! How did that happen?
  • In the least surprising news since people realised Ed was crap

    I side with Conservatives on most political issues.

    Con 82%, UKIP 74%, LD 69%, SNP 58%, Lab 51%
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Freggles said:

    Plaid Cymru 71%, Lib Dems 68%, SNP 65%

    Given their strong showings for people in this poll in and outside of their home nations, perhaps PC and SNP should consider standing in the rest of Britain? It would be kind of hilarious for Labour to find themselves bleeding votes to the SNP in northern England as the only real alternative to the Tories!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578


    23% Labour - puh! How did that happen?

    There is near unanimity on more issues than people imagine. I'm surprised it is only 23%, I'd have thought the lowest anyone could get with a mainstream party was 33% or so.
  • My ELBOW seems to come out as:

    33.4% Lab
    31.6% Con
    16.3% UKIP
    7.8% LD

    :)
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Like Antifrank, I seem to be a surprisingly perfect PC voter - bar the living in Wales part.

    Got 18% BNP. Anyone higher?
  • 78% Con, 61% UKIP, 61% LibDem, 23% Labour....

    23% Labour - puh! How did that happen?

    We agree with the 23% of the Labour party who want Ed to continue as leader.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    For those with little to do this Sunday evening here is one of those political quiz thingies to play with:

    http://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

    Mine came out:

    87% Con
    87% UKIP
    25% Lab
    10% Libdem (and no significant areas of mutual agreement)

    I think that makes me a small 'C' conservative

    Considering I hated the tories in the 90's......

    96% con
    91% ukip
    58% Lib Dem
    23% Labour


  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Floater said:

    For those with little to do this Sunday evening here is one of those political quiz thingies to play with:

    http://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

    Mine came out:

    87% Con
    87% UKIP
    25% Lab
    10% Libdem (and no significant areas of mutual agreement)

    I think that makes me a small 'C' conservative

    Considering I hated the tories in the 90's......

    96% con

    I doubt even the PM would score that highly.
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited November 2014
    As ever with these quizzes they are somewhat wide of the mark. For example it does not recognise that UKIP are in favour of Grammar Schools, want a Royal Commission on the legalization of drugs and are in favour of abolishing the HoL amongst other things

    Which explains why I was as much Conservative as UKIP
  • 89% UKIP 77% Tory 52% Lib Dem.

    Social issues really bumped up my Lib Dem score.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    edited November 2014
    Con - 94%
    UKIP - 89 %
    LD - 56%
    BNP - 46% - maybe because I selected 'shoot on sight' for immigration policy??
    Lab - 37%
    PC - 25%
    SNP - 25%
    Green - 8%

    Very disappointed in the lack of option to make HoL fully hereditary. ;)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited November 2014
    So I got

    78% Con
    69% LD
    59% UKIP
    53% Lab
    51% Green

    But decided to do it again giving what I think are the same answers but tinkering with the 'how important is this to you setting'. Lab are the biggest losers, with UKIP and the Greens rising.

    Con 77
    LD 66
    UKIP 62
    Green 54
    PC 41
    Lab 39 (tied with SNP)

    Now I don't agree with anyone on domestic policy apparently.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,220

    As ever with these quizzes they are somewhat wide of the mark. For example it does not recognise that UKIP are in favour of Grammar Schools, want a Royal Commission on the legalization of drugs and are in favour of abolishing the HoL amongst other things

    Which explains why I was as much Conservative as UKIP

    That's a relief. I was worried when the Conservatives came out on top for me. Grammar schools is an important issue for me.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Opinium included an EU Referendum question.

    "David Cameron has said that he would like to renegotiate the terms of Britain’s membership of the European Union and hold a vote on the new terms to decide whether Britain should stay in the EU or leave. If David Cameron were able to secure a deal that he said redefined the terms of Britain’s membership and recommended that, as a result, Britain should now remain in the EU, how do you think you would vote in a referendum?"

    Leave: 43%
    Stay: 40%

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/sites/ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/files/vi_04_11_2014_tables.pdf
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578


    Which explains why I was as much Conservative as UKIP

    Sure it does. The parties are monitoring us all, and will no doubt punish the ideologically weak in time.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    kle4 said:

    Floater said:

    For those with little to do this Sunday evening here is one of those political quiz thingies to play with:

    http://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

    Mine came out:

    87% Con
    87% UKIP
    25% Lab
    10% Libdem (and no significant areas of mutual agreement)

    I think that makes me a small 'C' conservative

    Considering I hated the tories in the 90's......

    96% con

    I doubt even the PM would score that highly.
    Would he even get 50%? :-)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    Opinium included an EU Referendum question.

    "David Cameron has said that he would like to renegotiate the terms of Britain’s membership of the European Union and hold a vote on the new terms to decide whether Britain should stay in the EU or leave. If David Cameron were able to secure a deal that he said redefined the terms of Britain’s membership and recommended that, as a result, Britain should now remain in the EU, how do you think you would vote in a referendum?"

    Leave: 43%
    Stay: 40%

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/sites/ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/files/vi_04_11_2014_tables.pdf

    I wonder if there would have been a difference it was "If [Cameron] were able to secure a deal which did redefine the terms of " etc etc.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    kle4 said:

    Floater said:

    For those with little to do this Sunday evening here is one of those political quiz thingies to play with:

    http://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

    Mine came out:

    87% Con
    87% UKIP
    25% Lab
    10% Libdem (and no significant areas of mutual agreement)

    I think that makes me a small 'C' conservative

    Considering I hated the tories in the 90's......

    96% con

    I doubt even the PM would score that highly.
    Would be truly fascinating if some of our MP's would undertake this test.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    Lab/Lib/Green/Plaid in the 80s, everyone else below 30. The perfect leftie tactical voting recipient, innit. Watch me hoover up those wavering Plaid voters.
  • A contrarian view on Ed Miliband's popularity:

    http://theconversation.com/voter-survey-shows-miliband-panic-is-overblown-33975

    The suspect sentence looks to be this one:

    "It turns out that likeability is closely associated with other desirable traits that a successful leader needs, such as being seen as competent, decisive, in touch with ordinary people and honest."
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    RobD said:

    Con - 94%

    Green - 8%

    I support fracking and got 54% for the Greens - what option did you pick? Quote Monty Burns?

    "Oh, so Mother Nature needs a favor?! Well, maybe she should have thought of that when she was besetting us with droughts and floods and poison monkeys! Nature started the fight for survival, and now she wants to quit because she's losing?! Well, I say, hard cheese."

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited November 2014

    kle4 said:

    Floater said:

    For those with little to do this Sunday evening here is one of those political quiz thingies to play with:

    http://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

    Mine came out:

    87% Con
    87% UKIP
    25% Lab
    10% Libdem (and no significant areas of mutual agreement)

    I think that makes me a small 'C' conservative

    Considering I hated the tories in the 90's......

    96% con

    I doubt even the PM would score that highly.
    Would be truly fascinating if some of our MP's would undertake this test.
    Well, we have one past and soon to be MP who's obliged at least.

    In all seriousness, while we all know how suspect these sorts of things can be, I find it amusing to picture party associations putting candidates through them to save time, and filtering out those who are not suitably committed, or alternately making sure that, say, a prospective Tory MP leans closely enough to UKIP for their purposes.

    "No, please, I'm Conservative to my bones!"
    "Sorry, the computer says you have a 65% match with the LDs as well, pinko. Take him away!"
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Opinium included an EU Referendum question.

    "David Cameron has said that he would like to renegotiate the terms of Britain’s membership of the European Union and hold a vote on the new terms to decide whether Britain should stay in the EU or leave. If David Cameron were able to secure a deal that he said redefined the terms of Britain’s membership and recommended that, as a result, Britain should now remain in the EU, how do you think you would vote in a referendum?"

    Leave: 43%
    Stay: 40%

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/sites/ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/files/vi_04_11_2014_tables.pdf

    Claiming that Tesco accounting changed the terms of the deal, and arguing that hundreds of billions being coughed up to the EU is a victory has screwed the credibility of the Tories now. It will be increasingly hard for the Tories to claim a renegotiation is anything meaningful, unless they get a hard, bankable commitment on immigration. And tinkering with benefits and the unemployed ones won't do it. They should start by demanding a points system, and settle for an emergency brake.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    87% LAB
    25% CON
    73% GREEN

    I will have to chop off 25% of my limbs
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    87% LAB
    25% CON
    73% GREEN

    I will have to chop off 25% of my limbs

    Oh and 10% kipper and 10% bnp
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    87% LAB
    25% CON
    73% GREEN

    I will have to chop off 25% of my limbs

    Of the total amount of limbs, or 25% of each limb?

  • The Express plays a cruel trick on its readers tomorrow. Its headline blares: "NOW YOU CAN LIVE UNTIL 120". Then in line two, it writes: "The key is to adopt a healthy lifestyle while still young."

    Given the age group the Express caters to, it's a bit late for most of them now.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    82% tory, 68% UKIP, 62% Lib Dem and 46% Labour.

    I think I am just confused. Slightly surprised that I am not more Lib Dem to be honest. Last time I did one of these it was pretty close between them and the Tories.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited November 2014
    86% Tories
    80% UKIP
    51% Lib Dems

    I'm pretty sure had it asked about EU membership or an English parliament I would have UKIP with a healthy lead. Tories would have taken a big hit on civil liberties too.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    I should be voting UKIP according to that
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    antifrank said:

    A contrarian view on Ed Miliband's popularity:

    http://theconversation.com/voter-survey-shows-miliband-panic-is-overblown-33975

    The suspect sentence looks to be this one:

    "It turns out that likeability is closely associated with other desirable traits that a successful leader needs, such as being seen as competent, decisive, in touch with ordinary people and honest."

    Quite a lot of people see politics as essentially a team sport and they do go by whom they like. The tiny proportion of Con<->Lab switchers that we've seen throughout the Parliament may have a lot to do with that - people may think intellectually that they might go for the other side, but when they inagine actually voting for them, euuu.

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2014
    Mine is the weirdest, LAB 75, BNP 71, LD 63, CON 61, UKIP 52.
    Probably because none of those issues questioned were that paramount of importance beyond the somewhat important.
  • Socrates said:

    86% Tories
    80% UKIP
    51% Lib Dems

    I'm pretty sure had it asked about EU membership or an English parliament I would have UKIP with a healthy lead.

    It did ask about both in the version I filled out.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    UKIP 87%
    BNP 75%
    Con 73%
    Lab 67%
    LD 64%
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    antifrank said:

    A contrarian view on Ed Miliband's popularity:

    http://theconversation.com/voter-survey-shows-miliband-panic-is-overblown-33975

    The suspect sentence looks to be this one:

    "It turns out that likeability is closely associated with other desirable traits that a successful leader needs, such as being seen as competent, decisive, in touch with ordinary people and honest."

    people may think intellectually that they might go for the other side, but when they imagine actually voting for them, euuu.

    I think that is quite correct, and one of the most unfortunate aspects of tribal politics. People may support a policy until they find out which party is supporting it, in the most extreme examples going against something they actually support because of how they think they should be voting. If it were a weighing up exercise, like supporting Tory economic policies but that not being worth the cost of their other policies that would be one thing, but we all know I think how few people vote in such a calculated way (not me, though I try - I suspect I am more inclined to be sceptical of Labour due to growing up a) under Blair, and b) in the Tory heartlands).

    A hard problem to fix, though that people from committed Tory/Labour families can end up going against the mould brings some hope.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited November 2014
    Tomorrow's Daily Mail front page is begging to be added to John Rentoul's QTWTAIN list

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2CD70TCYAAWWdO.jpg
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2014

    Tomorrow's Daily Mail front page is begging to be added to John Rentoul's QTWTAIN list

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2CD70TCYAAWWdO.jpg

    I think the sandwiches that I make in the kitchen are cheaper and healthier, why would I want to buy one from the supermarket?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    Andrew Farmer might be a good name for another Grant Shapps pseudonym.

    I haven't been on site today nor read this thread so apologise if others have already gone down this route.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    edited November 2014

    Tomorrow's Daily Mail front page is begging to be added to John Rentoul's QTWTAIN list

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2CD70TCYAAWWdO.jpg

    No there is or no there isn't?
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,000

    For those with little to do this Sunday evening here is one of those political quiz thingies to play with:

    http://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

    Mine came out:

    87% Con
    87% UKIP
    25% Lab
    10% Libdem (and no significant areas of mutual agreement)

    I think that makes me a small 'C' conservative

    Mine were

    91% Green
    85% LibDem
    79% Plaid
    78% SNP (skewed by no question re DevoMax!)
    74% Labour (except for my opinion of the Scottish sub-region)
    17% UKIP
    16% Conservative

    Guess that puts me at odds with most of PB...
  • antifrank said:

    Tomorrow's Daily Mail front page is begging to be added to John Rentoul's QTWTAIN list

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2CD70TCYAAWWdO.jpg

    No there is or no there isn't?
    I make many decent sandwiches.

    In fact one of my most notorious chat up lines involves sandwiches.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014

    Tomorrow's Daily Mail front page is begging to be added to John Rentoul's QTWTAIN list

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2CD70TCYAAWWdO.jpg

    There is no shortage of people who are a picnic short of a few. Some might even work for the DM.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2014
    DavidL said:

    Tomorrow's Daily Mail front page is begging to be added to John Rentoul's QTWTAIN list

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2CD70TCYAAWWdO.jpg

    There is no shortage of people who are a picnic short of a few. Some might even work for the DM.
    Pity that the Earl of Sandwich isn't around to apply for the job.
  • UKIP 97%
    Con 87%
    LD 59%
    BNP 43%
    Lab 27%

    No surprise
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Well, after my constant bitching about Labour's polcies, rather dismayed to find myself matching up with them at 91%!

    Labour 91% - economic, domestic, health, social, immigration, environment, transport
    SNP 83% - economic, health, domestic, transport
    Lib Dems 80% - economic, social, health, environment
    Plaid Cymru 80% - economic, health, social, domestic, transport
    Green 78% - economic, domestic, health, transport
    BNP 58%(!!!) - economic, immigration, health, transport
    Conservatives 43% - education, immigration, environment
    UKIP 21% - immigration
  • UKIP 86%
    Tory. 84%
    BNP 63%
    Labour 39%
    Lib Dem 23%
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,988
    sarissa said:

    Mine were

    91% Green
    85% LibDem
    79% Plaid
    78% SNP (skewed by no question re DevoMax!)
    74% Labour (except for my opinion of the Scottish sub-region)
    17% UKIP
    16% Conservative

    Guess that puts me at odds with most of PB...

    Not entirely. I was 86% Lib Dem and 78% Green with Labour in the 50s. Conservative at 32 and UKIP at 20.

    Totally predictable and reassuring. My inner kipper remains firmly suppressed.

  • Looks like Opinium have released their tables on a Sunday, so, as hinted at earlier, here is this week's Sunil on Sunday ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week): 10 polls with field-work end-dates from 2nd to 8th November, total weighted sample 12,891.

    Lab 33.4% (+0.8)
    Con 31.6% (+0.1)
    UKIP 16.3% (-1.0)
    LD 7.8% (+0.1)

    Lab lead 1.8% (+0.7%)

    comparisons with our first ELBOW on 17th August:

    Lab -2.8%
    Con -1.5%
    UKIP +3.2%
    LD -1.0%

    Lab lead -1.2% (ie. was 3.0%, now 1.8%)
  • Socrates said:

    86% Tories
    80% UKIP
    51% Lib Dems

    I'm pretty sure had it asked about EU membership or an English parliament I would have UKIP with a healthy lead. Tories would have taken a big hit on civil liberties too.

    You need to click on the links for additional questions at the bottom of each section.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Well well the 11th Earl of Sandwich has opened his own sandwich shop:
    http://www.earlofsandwichusa.com/
    http://www.earlofsandwich.co.uk/

    The Mail should do an exclusive interview.
  • Looks like Opinium have released their tables on a Sunday, so, as hinted at earlier, here is this week's Sunil on Sunday ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week): 10 polls with field-work end-dates from 2nd to 8th November, total weighted sample 12,891.

    Lab 33.4% (+0.8)
    Con 31.6% (+0.1)
    UKIP 16.3% (-1.0)
    LD 7.8% (+0.1)

    Lab lead 1.8% (+0.7%)

    comparisons with our first ELBOW on 17th August:

    Lab -2.8%
    Con -1.5%
    UKIP +3.2%
    LD -1.0%

    Lab lead -1.2% (ie. was 3.0%, now 1.8%)

    Does your elbow include the ICM Wisdom Index?

    If not, then you're a polling denier!
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited November 2014
    By the way, is UKIP's policy not to reinstate grammar schools? I thought it was, but the survey is telling me NONE of the parties have that as a policy (I selected the option in favour of them).
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Speedy said:

    Well well the 11th Earl of Sandwich has opened his own sandwich shop:
    http://www.earlofsandwichusa.com/
    http://www.earlofsandwich.co.uk/

    The Mail should do an exclusive interview.

    Is that the rag with tomorrow's story re lack of Brits willing to make sandwiches for M&S?
  • Looks like Opinium have released their tables on a Sunday, so, as hinted at earlier, here is this week's Sunil on Sunday ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week): 10 polls with field-work end-dates from 2nd to 8th November, total weighted sample 12,891.

    Lab 33.4% (+0.8)
    Con 31.6% (+0.1)
    UKIP 16.3% (-1.0)
    LD 7.8% (+0.1)

    Lab lead 1.8% (+0.7%)

    comparisons with our first ELBOW on 17th August:

    Lab -2.8%
    Con -1.5%
    UKIP +3.2%
    LD -1.0%

    Lab lead -1.2% (ie. was 3.0%, now 1.8%)

    Does your elbow include the ICM Wisdom Index?

    If not, then you're a polling denier!
    Hey - I thought we agreed last night NOT to include the Thickness Wisdom Index!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    RobD said:

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andrew Farmer does exist.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Farmer

    People are clearly more interested in politics than we thought.

    The most astute 15%!
    You don't have to answer, and I understand why you won't.

    But what exactly is your job, because it involves a lot of air travel, are you an Air Marshal?

    (I think you once said, it was something sciencey?)
    "Professional" stargazer ;)

    I did lol at Air Marshal though!
    Nah, you travel way too much for that. I reckon you're a spy
    I did watch Skyfall on the plane yesterday.. if that counts ;)
    Hmmm. Astronomer. Sky fall.

    Should we be worried?
  • Looks like Opinium have released their tables on a Sunday, so, as hinted at earlier, here is this week's Sunil on Sunday ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week): 10 polls with field-work end-dates from 2nd to 8th November, total weighted sample 12,891.

    Lab 33.4% (+0.8)
    Con 31.6% (+0.1)
    UKIP 16.3% (-1.0)
    LD 7.8% (+0.1)

    Lab lead 1.8% (+0.7%)

    comparisons with our first ELBOW on 17th August:

    Lab -2.8%
    Con -1.5%
    UKIP +3.2%
    LD -1.0%

    Lab lead -1.2% (ie. was 3.0%, now 1.8%)

    Does your elbow include the ICM Wisdom Index?

    If not, then you're a polling denier!
    Hey - I thought we agreed last night NOT to include the Thickness Wisdom Index!
    Polling denier :-)
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited November 2014
    Danny565 said:

    By the way, is UKIP's policy not to reinstate grammar schools? I thought it was, but the survey is telling me NONE of the parties have that as a policy (I selected the option in favour of them).

    UKIP's policy is to reintroduce grammar schools, its just the quiz is uninformed in certain ways and says it doesn't know what the UKIP policy is. Its the same with the Trident question and UKIP are in favour of renewing trident as well. There's at least half a dozen questions where the UKIP position is not properly represented. I have no idea what the state of play with the other parties is.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Danny565 UKIP policy is to allow schools to convert to become grammar schools if they like

    Also, just come back from an amusing comedy evening with Jo Brand, she ventured into politics and discussing key politicians, general boos for all except Boris, one lone woman said she liked Ed Miliband, to which Jo B quipped 'thankyou Mrs Miliband!'
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2014

    Socrates said:

    86% Tories
    80% UKIP
    51% Lib Dems

    I'm pretty sure had it asked about EU membership or an English parliament I would have UKIP with a healthy lead. Tories would have taken a big hit on civil liberties too.

    You need to click on the links for additional questions at the bottom of each section.
    Thanks for that, I did it again and the results are different but just as weird.
    SNP 66, BNP 64, UKIP 63, GRN 61, LAB 60, LD 51, PC 46, CON 39.

    Seems that I'm the ultimate swing voter.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    dr_spyn said:

    Speedy said:

    Well well the 11th Earl of Sandwich has opened his own sandwich shop:
    http://www.earlofsandwichusa.com/
    http://www.earlofsandwich.co.uk/

    The Mail should do an exclusive interview.

    Is that the rag with tomorrow's story re lack of Brits willing to make sandwiches for M&S?
    The key question is of course what are they willing to pay for the sandwich workers salary?
  • rcs1000 said:

    Somewhere out there is a non-entity politician, perhaps a Liberal Democrat, who will attempt to use this poll as a springboard to power.

    It's a shame they didn't ask voters whether they would vote Labour if Andrew Farmer was leader of the Labour party.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Speedy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Speedy said:

    Well well the 11th Earl of Sandwich has opened his own sandwich shop:
    http://www.earlofsandwichusa.com/
    http://www.earlofsandwich.co.uk/

    The Mail should do an exclusive interview.

    Is that the rag with tomorrow's story re lack of Brits willing to make sandwiches for M&S?
    The key question is of course what are they willing to pay for the sandwich workers salary?
    It will depend on the going rate, for other jobs in that sector.

    On anotther note, The Times has a front page story about Ed M. ITV have had Rochdale MP offering advice and criticism. Story not yet over?
  • Speedy said:

    Socrates said:

    86% Tories
    80% UKIP
    51% Lib Dems

    I'm pretty sure had it asked about EU membership or an English parliament I would have UKIP with a healthy lead. Tories would have taken a big hit on civil liberties too.

    You need to click on the links for additional questions at the bottom of each section.
    Thanks for that, I did it again and the results are different but just as weird.
    SNP 66, BNP 64, UKIP 63, GRN 61, LAB 60, LD 51, PC 46, CON 39.

    Seems that I'm the ultimate swing voter.
    I redid mine and now instead of 87-87 UKIP-Con it's 92-86 so it I think its pretty clear where I stand on their political spectrum.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PickardJE: Am a bit sceptical about the theory that "likeable" is a synonym for "electable" @yorkierosie @FraserNelson @JohnRentoul
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    dr_spyn said:

    Speedy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Speedy said:

    Well well the 11th Earl of Sandwich has opened his own sandwich shop:
    http://www.earlofsandwichusa.com/
    http://www.earlofsandwich.co.uk/

    The Mail should do an exclusive interview.

    Is that the rag with tomorrow's story re lack of Brits willing to make sandwiches for M&S?
    The key question is of course what are they willing to pay for the sandwich workers salary?
    It will depend on the going rate, for other jobs in that sector.

    On anotther note, The Times has a front page story about Ed M. ITV have had Rochdale MP offering advice and criticism. Story not yet over?
    I expect a lot of benefit sanctions in that area.... There's very little messing around now at the DWP, and a resigned acceptance by many on benefits that they'll have to work if they can.

    It is quite a sea change out there in such a relatively short space of time.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    antifrank said:

    Tomorrow's Daily Mail front page is begging to be added to John Rentoul's QTWTAIN list

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2CD70TCYAAWWdO.jpg

    No there is or no there isn't?
    I make many decent sandwiches.

    In fact one of my most notorious chat up lines involves sandwiches.
    I am the best sandwich maker on PB.

    My BLT is to die for.

    (Beetroot/Liver & Turnip)
  • From the Guardian article:

    Powell, who said “cowardly” attacks on Miliband would create the worst of all worlds, issued a put-up-or-shut-up challenge to Miliband’s critics. She said: “They are feeding the beast and they are feeding the monster in terms of the press.

    After Mr. Ed's tussle with a bacon butty I think his inner circle should steer well clear of phrases such as 'feeding the beast'
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    edited November 2014
    My results on the quiz:

    Conservative 73%
    UKIP 69%
    LD 53%
    Labour 36%
    BNP 19%
    SNP 13%
    Green 13%
    PC 10%

    Ironically I have only ever voted for my 1st, 3rd and last party (albeit only because in 1 Aberystwyth council ward PC were the only party standing for all the seats and I always make sure I use all my votes)
  • I've got

    Plaid Cymru 70
    SNP 64
    Lib Dem 61
    Green 60
    Labour 51
    Conservatives 30
    BNP 2
    UKIP 1

    As I live in England the top two don't mean anything, of course. But it's quite a curious set of scores for someone who has voted Conservative at every GE since 1997. Not that I was planning on doing so again, of course, but even so... Interesting.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Been to the most fantastic place today Donna Nook if you ever get a chance to go between start of November and Mid December it is highly recommended.

    For much of the year grey seals at the Lincolnshire Wildlife Trusts’ Donna Nook National Nature Reserve are at sea or hauled out on distant sandbanks.
    Every November and December, the seals give birth to their pups near the sand dunes: a wildlife spectacle which attracts visitors from across the UK.

    454 pups born so far superb spectacle and free,
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    I've got

    Plaid Cymru 70
    SNP 64
    Lib Dem 61
    Green 60
    Labour 51
    Conservatives 30
    BNP 2
    UKIP 1

    As I live in England the top two don't mean anything, of course. But it's quite a curious set of scores for someone who has voted Conservative at every GE since 1997. Not that I was planning on doing so again, of course, but even so... Interesting.

    But these questions are always meaningless.

    Eg for you support reintroduction of selective education and grammar schools? Yes/no

    Well, I am yes to selective education and no to grammar schools, so how should I answer?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Just got back from seeing Interstellar. Amazing special effects.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    new thread!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    AndyJS said:

    Just got back from seeing Interstellar. Amazing special effects.

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/interstellar_2014/
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