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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578



    I'm doing an hour long Twitter thingummyjig about humour in genre fiction [or 'taking the piss out of elves'].

    Much needed work. Too much dourness in genre fiction thesedays, and the typical take on elves could be helped by much piss taking, even in not directly humorous works.

  • Andrew Farmer is in to 50/1 from 200/1 to be next labour leader
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited November 2014
    @surbiton

    Lucy Powell doing a great job,has any spin doctor achieved so much in such a short period of time?
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    The PB Tories are wetting themselves at the prospect of Miliband leaving. Yet, on the polls published, with dire Labour numbers, Ed is Crap is Prime Minister.

    Wetting ourselves with fear at the prospect of Milicraperoo leaving, indeed.

    What percentage of voters do you think will enthusiastically vote for this tsunami of craperoo to be PM?
    30% will be enough to win. Thanks to your superb financial backing for FPTP - the greatest electoral system in the world [ even though I think it is crap ! ]
    I have never financially contributed to FPTP.

    Once Ed is Craperoo (yay! My iPhone just predicted Craperoo) is in the public eye every day during a GE campaign I expect the enthusiasm to plumb new depths. He'll do well to get 25%
    Dummy: "Your" means the Tory Party. Don't think you are that important to be mentioned in despatches.
    You (that's you not the Labour Party) were replying to me; you (you again) didn't specify that you (still you) were referring to a party that I've never been a member of, and not to me personally. If you (yep, still you) want to avoid being misunderstood, try to avoid such obvious ambiguity in the language you (guess who?) use.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Sky still pointing out how crap Ed is
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    AndyJS said:

    "Kinnock: Ed Miliband is not in danger as Labour leader":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29978194


    Kinnock thinks Miliband is Allllrighhht.

    That really did make me LOL
  • I'm so tempted to throw even more money on Rochester vs the pig dog, I need ideas for another emotional illogical bet instead.

    Spurs to be relegated???
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    I'm so tempted to throw even more money on Rochester vs the pig dog, I need ideas for another emotional illogical bet instead.

    Spurs to be relegated???

    4 managers in the season?
  • surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    The PB Tories are wetting themselves at the prospect of Miliband leaving. Yet, on the polls published, with dire Labour numbers, Ed is Crap is Prime Minister.

    Wetting ourselves with fear at the prospect of Milicraperoo leaving, indeed.

    What percentage of voters do you think will enthusiastically vote for this tsunami of craperoo to be PM?
    30% will be enough to win. Thanks to your superb financial backing for FPTP - the greatest electoral system in the world [ even though I think it is crap ! ]
    Not if the Tories poll 35% it won't
    Which poll gave the Tories 35% ? I can see 29%
    Sorry I didn't realise that in 'Surbiton World' the polls next May will be exactly identical to those today.......
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    surbiton said:

    The PB Tories are wetting themselves at the prospect of Miliband leaving. Yet, on the polls published, with dire Labour numbers, Ed is Crap is Prime Minister.

    As I said to big John last night.

    You should be terrified of Milliband limping home.
  • Mr. Scrapheap, Rosberg for the title?
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    NOM coming in

    1.59
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited November 2014

    I'm so tempted to throw even more money on Rochester vs the pig dog, I need ideas for another emotional illogical bet instead.

    Spurs to be relegated???

    England to win the cricket World Cup next year.

    In our new Dry but not obsessed with the EU or Gays, socially liberal Tory Party, all football related discussions will be banned.
  • Does anyone have an internet link for the Opinium/Observer poll? i can't find it from the Guardian website and a search doesn't seem to find it either, bizarrely dates are no longer given on stories so it makes the search function particularly useless.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    edited November 2014

    I'm so tempted to throw even more money on Rochester vs the pig dog, I need ideas for another emotional illogical bet instead.

    Spurs to be relegated???

    Poch still 6/1 to be next manager out..
    (edit - with Ladbrokes)
  • I'm so tempted to throw even more money on Rochester vs the pig dog, I need ideas for another emotional illogical bet instead.

    Spurs to be relegated???

    England to win the cricket World Cup next year.

    In our new Dry but not obsessed with the EU or Gays, socially liberal Tory Party, all football related discussions will be banned.
    Football is for headbangers, especially those obsessed with the European exposed variety.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    AndyJS said:

    "Kinnock: Ed Miliband is not in danger as Labour leader":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29978194

    game over.
    More like "Tilt"

  • The most worrying thing from this YouGov polling. 9% haven't made up a view on Ed.

    That's 9% of the electorate yet to realise that Ed is crap.

    That's bad for Labour
  • Nice ideas but all too far away although the hedge on the GP was tempting... as it was, the slaphead pigdog took my money yet again.
  • Does anyone have an internet link for the Opinium/Observer poll? i can't find it from the Guardian website and a search doesn't seem to find it either, bizarrely dates are no longer given on stories so it makes the search function particularly useless.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/08/ed-miliband-crisis-labour-mps-back-leadership-change
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    surbiton said:

    The PB Tories are wetting themselves at the prospect of Miliband leaving. Yet, on the polls published, with dire Labour numbers, Ed is Crap is Prime Minister.

    Wetting ourselves with fear at the prospect of Milicraperoo leaving, indeed.

    What percentage of voters do you think will enthusiastically vote for this tsunami of craperoo to be PM?
    They don't have to vote for the party he leads enthusiastically, they just need to do it. The question is if his poor ratings will be enough to drag down the Labour vote in enough contests around the country. At present, the answer appears to be no, unless Scotland is as much a bloodbath as recent polls have suggested is possible.

    Tories must be pulling their hair out at what needs to happen before the Labour brand takes a long term hit again.
    Divided parties lose elections.

    But both major parties are divided. The LDs and UKIP aren't, because they have been reduced to a unified rump or are laser focused on giving the elites a kicking respectively. But Labour becoming more openly divided merely puts them on parity with the Tories, and they have other advantages. So if being divided is going to be a clincher, they need to be in open war, or have another negative factor, eg the Ed effect, become even more prominent.
    Much as it might gall a few of the knuckle-dragger tendency in the party, they have to admit that Cameron is more popular than the Conservative brand. Come next May, he will add a few thousand votes to their majorities. That inevitably leads to a tendency towards STFU.

    Ed, on the other hand, is knocking a few thousand off Labour majorities. Which inevitably leads to a tendency towards bitching and moaning.


  • Does anyone have an internet link for the Opinium/Observer poll? i can't find it from the Guardian website and a search doesn't seem to find it either, bizarrely dates are no longer given on stories so it makes the search function particularly useless.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/08/ed-miliband-crisis-labour-mps-back-leadership-change
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Floater said:

    surbiton said:

    The PB Tories are wetting themselves at the prospect of Miliband leaving. Yet, on the polls published, with dire Labour numbers, Ed is Crap is Prime Minister.

    As I said to big John last night.

    You should be terrified of Milliband limping home.
    Never underestimate the man who sent his own brother him packing !
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564

    As a market researcher I'm not surprised by this. A few reasons:

    1) clicking the wrong button. This does happen and we get verbatim comments saying sorry I made a mistake at the last question. Most surveys don't offer a back button as we don't want respondents to go back and change their answers when they see later questions.
    2) inattentiveness. We would like to think respondents are giving us their full undivided attention when doing a survey but this isn't always the case. People may be watching tv or minding the kids. Another factor in a long survey is boredom as respondents may get fed up and hurry to the end. Bear in mind consumer incentives tend to be low e.g. 50p.

    I would also suggest Farmer could easily be misread as Farage.

    I also think most people don't like to admit ignorance - it's like people who prefer to give you bad directions than admit that they don't really know the place you're looking for.
    Danny565 said:

    I see Sinn Fein are currently topping the polls in Ireland.

    Despite the mindless Audreyanne-esque "elections are won in the centre ground" mantra, is there actually ANY country in Europe other than Germany where centrist politics is doing well? Centrism essentially just means supporting the status quo, and virtually everyone everywhere agrees the status quo is awful and that something has to change (even though people have very different ideas about what they should change to).

    Quite a few really. Germany, Italy, Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands have all elected fairly centrist majorities quite recently. In most cases there was a fringe movement rattling the case, but typically getting just 10% or so.

    By contrast, I can't think of any recent European countries where an "extreme" party has actually won. Syriza got close in Greece and might make it next time (but are busily trying to reassure people that they're not really extreme). Otherwise it's mostly "shock poll findings" (like Sinn Fein) which don't lead to a majority.
  • Does anyone have an internet link for the Opinium/Observer poll? i can't find it from the Guardian website and a search doesn't seem to find it either, bizarrely dates are no longer given on stories so it makes the search function particularly useless.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/08/ed-miliband-crisis-labour-mps-back-leadership-change
    Ta. (manofkent as well). Not obvious, is it? And I've checked, searching for "Opinium" doesn't seem to bring that article up.

  • Does anyone have an internet link for the Opinium/Observer poll? i can't find it from the Guardian website and a search doesn't seem to find it either, bizarrely dates are no longer given on stories so it makes the search function particularly useless.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/08/ed-miliband-crisis-labour-mps-back-leadership-change
    Ta. (manofkent as well). Not obvious, is it? And I've checked, searching for "Opinium" doesn't seem to bring that article up.

    Yeah they and YouGov have upgraded their search functions, not for the better
  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376
    fitalass said:

    "(bar your obsessive unhealthy hatred of them that is)?"

    Can we finally knock this childish claim on the head as its become an every more regular and boring cry from some Ukippers on PB if there is any criticism of UKIP!! It was just as childish when some of the Nats on here used to claim the same with regard the SNP!

    Good.

    I know this is a shock to pb people but most people couldn't care a less about politics. And of those that do, only a small fraction know much about it.

    By the way, I also don't know anyone who gives a flying fig about the EU. Some care about immigration (and loads don't), but I haven't heard anyone outside pb.com talking about the EU for over a year. Cue you-kippers talking about 'my circles,' but have you actually thought that it might be the ones you-kip-keep?



    I have a wider question for punters on here. Can a political party be stalked? If so I suggest UKIP have more than one stalker on here!

    PS And the last thing I want to contemplate is Audreyanne's 'circles' (reaches for the mind bleach)
    Absolutely fitalass.

    No-one apart from the headbangers in UKIP gives a toss about the EU. It's a complete non issue.

    I love the remark about me getting out more, but I'll leave that for now. However, I do think the kipper-bangers on here are ruining pb.com. It's difficult to explain because it doesn't matter what you write, or how you write it, the reaction will be the same. Perhaps the best analogy is that it's a bit like being at a convention of Jehovah Witnesses. It really doesn't matter what you say …

    Fortunately, enough Brits will see sense on May 07th.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Andrew Farmer is in to 50/1 from 200/1 to be next labour leader

    Andrew farmer is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    As a market researcher I'm not surprised by this. A few reasons:

    1) clicking the wrong button. This does happen and we get verbatim comments saying sorry I made a mistake at the last question. Most surveys don't offer a back button as we don't want respondents to go back and change their answers when they see later questions.
    2) inattentiveness. We would like to think respondents are giving us their full undivided attention when doing a survey but this isn't always the case. People may be watching tv or minding the kids. Another factor in a long survey is boredom as respondents may get fed up and hurry to the end. Bear in mind consumer incentives tend to be low e.g. 50p.

    I would also suggest Farmer could easily be misread as Farage.

    I also think most people don't like to admit ignorance - it's like people who prefer to give you bad directions than admit that they don't really know the place you're looking for.
    Danny565 said:

    I see Sinn Fein are currently topping the polls in Ireland.

    Despite the mindless Audreyanne-esque "elections are won in the centre ground" mantra, is there actually ANY country in Europe other than Germany where centrist politics is doing well? Centrism essentially just means supporting the status quo, and virtually everyone everywhere agrees the status quo is awful and that something has to change (even though people have very different ideas about what they should change to).

    Quite a few really. Germany, Italy, Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands have all elected fairly centrist majorities quite recently. In most cases there was a fringe movement rattling the case, but typically getting just 10% or so.

    By contrast, I can't think of any recent European countries where an "extreme" party has actually won. Syriza got close in Greece and might make it next time (but are busily trying to reassure people that they're not really extreme). Otherwise it's mostly "shock poll findings" (like Sinn Fein) which don't lead to a majority.
    Italy and Sweden saw massive breakthroughs for outsider parties in their most recent elections.

    Extreme parties might not be actually winning elections in most countries yet, but the direction of travel in most is rapidly away from centrist parties towards the extremes, including in the UK of course.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    john_zims said:

    @surbiton

    Lucy Powell doing a great job,has any spin doctor achieved so much in such a short period of time?

    I heard Lucy Powell on R5 this morning. What an AWFUL communicator! She sounded about 17. Every sentence had 3 "you know" making it incredibly irritating to listen to her.
  • I'm so tempted to throw even more money on Rochester vs the pig dog, I need ideas for another emotional illogical bet instead.

    Spurs to be relegated???

    Poch still 6/1 to be next manager out..
    (edit - with Ladbrokes)
    10/1 with Corals.

    Must be Lambert at 4/1 with Roy Keane just waiting to take over
  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376

    I'm so tempted to throw even more money on Rochester vs the pig dog, I need ideas for another emotional illogical bet instead.

    Spurs to be relegated???

    Poch still 6/1 to be next manager out..
    (edit - with Ladbrokes)
    Did anyone take my 6/1 tip on the Saints for Top 4 finish?

    Or the more outlandish 500/1 for the title?

    The first of those isn't looking too crazy right now.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    john_zims said:

    @surbiton

    Lucy Powell doing a great job,has any spin doctor achieved so much in such a short period of time?

    I heard Lucy Powell on R5 this morning. What an AWFUL communicator! She sounded about 17. Every sentence had 3 "you know" making it incredibly irritating to listen to her.
    Well, it was radio 5
  • F1: post-race analysis, festooned with spoilers, is up here:
    http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/brazil-post-race-analysis.html
  • fitalass said:

    "(bar your obsessive unhealthy hatred of them that is)?"

    Can we finally knock this childish claim on the head as its become an every more regular and boring cry from some Ukippers on PB if there is any criticism of UKIP!! It was just as childish when some of the Nats on here used to claim the same with regard the SNP!

    Good.

    I know this is a shock to pb people but most people couldn't care a less about politics. And of those that do, only a small fraction know much about it.

    By the way, I also don't know anyone who gives a flying fig about the EU. Some care about immigration (and loads don't), but I haven't heard anyone outside pb.com talking about the EU for over a year. Cue you-kippers talking about 'my circles,' but have you actually thought that it might be the ones you-kip-keep?



    I have a wider question for punters on here. Can a political party be stalked? If so I suggest UKIP have more than one stalker on here!

    PS And the last thing I want to contemplate is Audreyanne's 'circles' (reaches for the mind bleach)
    Absolutely fitalass.

    No-one apart from the headbangers in UKIP gives a toss about the EU. It's a complete non issue.

    I love the remark about me getting out more, but I'll leave that for now. However, I do think the kipper-bangers on here are ruining pb.com. It's difficult to explain because it doesn't matter what you write, or how you write it, the reaction will be the same. Perhaps the best analogy is that it's a bit like being at a convention of Jehovah Witnesses. It really doesn't matter what you say …

    Fortunately, enough Brits will see sense on May 07th.
    Didn't you describe someone else's comment earlier as 'typical arrogance'.

  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Andrew Farmer is in to 50/1 from 200/1 to be next labour leader

    Andrew farmer is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.
    I've never known anyone like him in my life.

    (Oh and see how our friends in Tower Hamlets are getting on http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/local-elections/11218290/The-full-story-of-the-medieval-monarch-of-Tower-Hamlets.html - wonder where he picked up his fraudulent activities)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    fitalass said:

    "(bar your obsessive unhealthy hatred of them that is)?"

    Can we finally knock this childish claim on the head as its become an every more regular and boring cry from some Ukippers on PB if there is any criticism of UKIP!! It was just as childish when some of the Nats on here used to claim the same with regard the SNP!

    Good.

    I know this is a shock to pb people but most people couldn't care a less about politics. And of those that do, only a small fraction know much about it.

    By the way, I also don't know anyone who gives a flying fig about the EU. Some care about immigration (and loads don't), but I haven't heard anyone outside pb.com talking about the EU for over a year. Cue you-kippers talking about 'my circles,' but have you actually thought that it might be the ones you-kip-keep?



    I have a wider question for punters on here. Can a political party be stalked? If so I suggest UKIP have more than one stalker on here!

    PS And the last thing I want to contemplate is Audreyanne's 'circles' (reaches for the mind bleach)
    It's difficult to explain because it doesn't matter what you write, or how you write it, the reaction will be the same. .
    So unlike the flexible partisans of Lab, Con and the dear old Nats then. Whatever happens in May next year, some people are going to be extremely wrong - could be me with my Lab majority prediction, though personally I'd prefer a Cameron led government, given the scarcity of the options - and it is going to be hilarious.

  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    I'm so tempted to throw even more money on Rochester vs the pig dog, I need ideas for another emotional illogical bet instead.

    Spurs to be relegated???

    Poch still 6/1 to be next manager out..
    (edit - with Ladbrokes)
    Did anyone take my 6/1 tip on the Saints for Top 4 finish?

    Or the more outlandish 500/1 for the title?

    The first of those isn't looking too crazy right now.
    I backed Saints top 4 at 12/1 a bit before. They're now 2/1, Liverpool are 9/4 and Spurs 9/1

    I hope Poch, Lallana and Lovren are happy in the bottom half!
  • Just got back from the ATP Tennis at the London O2 - Murray played like a Cybernat* :)

    * only kidding
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Con maj now 7...
  • I'm so tempted to throw even more money on Rochester vs the pig dog, I need ideas for another emotional illogical bet instead.

    Spurs to be relegated???

    Poch still 6/1 to be next manager out..
    (edit - with Ladbrokes)
    Did anyone take my 6/1 tip on the Saints for Top 4 finish?

    Or the more outlandish 500/1 for the title?

    The first of those isn't looking too crazy right now.
    I backed Saints top 4 at 12/1 a bit before. They're now 2/1, Liverpool are 9/4 and Spurs 9/1

    I hope Poch, Lallana and Lovren are happy in the bottom half!
    I'm glad I didn't take up our top four bet, but you did lead me to Ronald Koeman LMA Manager of the Year at 8/1.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    edited November 2014
    Danny565 said:



    Italy and Sweden saw massive breakthroughs for outsider parties in their most recent elections.

    Extreme parties might not be actually winning elections in most countries yet, but the direction of travel in most is rapidly away from centrist parties towards the extremes, including in the UK of course.

    I guess it depends what you mean by massive. The Sweden Democrats gained 7%. The 5* movement in Italy gained 21%, but mostly from Forza Italia - it's not clear that 5* is more extreme, though they're more weird, and the main result in both countries was that the centre-left took power. I agree with the fringes have been getting stronger, but they've yet to mkae a real breakthrough.

    Incidentally, my favourite play-by-(e)mail game when I had time for it was PBM Illuminati, as described here:

    http://www.flyingbuffalo.com/illumin.htm

    You could work to make factions more weird and it was sometimes actually a good idea...
  • Dr. Prasannan, hope you had a splendid time.
  • Exclusive! Sunil on Sunday poll finds varying degrees of approval for the following well-known politicians:

    Dave Clegg: +3/-87
    Ed Farage: +45/-34
    Nick Miliband: +23/-45
    Nigel Cameron: +12/-80
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    FalseFlag said:

    Speedy said:

    It's no surprise to me, 1/6th of the public has been proved to have the IQ of G.W.Bush in the past as well, there were 2 polls in both America and Britain that showed the same number supporting nuclear war.

    Bush scored in the 95th percentile, higher than Kerry.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/politics/campaign/24points.html
    When you read people making prejudicial misjudgements about Bush's IQ - you can then understand why people identify a politician that does not exist.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    Exclusive! Sunil on Sunday poll finds varying degrees of approval for the following well-known politicians:

    Dave Clegg: +3/-87
    Ed Farage: +45/-34
    Nick Miliband: +23/-45
    Nigel Cameron: +12/-80

    I called that. Anyone in the know, knows Nigel Cameron is a figure in decline.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    FalseFlag said:

    Speedy said:

    It's no surprise to me, 1/6th of the public has been proved to have the IQ of G.W.Bush in the past as well, there were 2 polls in both America and Britain that showed the same number supporting nuclear war.

    Bush scored in the 95th percentile, higher than Kerry.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/politics/campaign/24points.html
    When you read people making prejudicial misjudgements about Bush's IQ - you can then understand why people identify a politician that does not exist.
    But...but, he made verbal gaffs and fell off a segway, and I don't like his presidency! He must have been a total imbecile!

    In truth I have no idea what his intelligence level is, but there's no way it is as low as people joke about, as even a patsy of others needs the guile to play their role consistently and effectively.
  • Mr. kle4, you can't be surprised. He tries his best, but when he's up against Andrew Farmer it's a real struggle.
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited November 2014

    fitalass said:

    "(bar your obsessive unhealthy hatred of them that is)?"

    Can we finally knock this childish claim on the head as its become an every more regular and boring cry from some Ukippers on PB if there is any criticism of UKIP!! It was just as childish when some of the Nats on here used to claim the same with regard the SNP!

    Good.

    I know this is a shock to pb people but most people couldn't care a less about politics. And of those that do, only a small fraction know much about it.

    By the way, I also don't know anyone who gives a flying fig about the EU. Some care about immigration (and loads don't), but I haven't heard anyone outside pb.com talking about the EU for over a year. Cue you-kippers talking about 'my circles,' but have you actually thought that it might be the ones you-kip-keep?



    I have a wider question for punters on here. Can a political party be stalked? If so I suggest UKIP have more than one stalker on here!

    PS And the last thing I want to contemplate is Audreyanne's 'circles' (reaches for the mind bleach)
    Absolutely fitalass.

    No-one apart from the headbangers in UKIP gives a toss about the EU. It's a complete non issue.

    I love the remark about me getting out more, but I'll leave that for now. However, I do think the kipper-bangers on here are ruining pb.com. It's difficult to explain because it doesn't matter what you write, or how you write it, the reaction will be the same. Perhaps the best analogy is that it's a bit like being at a convention of Jehovah Witnesses. It really doesn't matter what you say …

    Fortunately, enough Brits will see sense on May 07th.
    [Yawn]

    Nobody told Theresa May (perhaps she's a kipper?)

    Brussels red tape damages UK plc and have to be reformed, Theresa May says
    The Home Secretary's article in this weekend's Telegraph is the first time she has set out in clear terms how she sees Britain’s relationship with the EU if the UK is to remain a member.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11218716/Brussels-red-tape-damages-UK-plc-and-have-to-be-reformed-Theresa-May-says.html

    Nor George (obviously he's a kipper)
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11218203/George-Osborne-we-haved-EU-bill-with-new-rebate.html

    Or The Telegraph leader writers (and they're definitely Kippers)

    European Arrest Warrant: Tory MPs should put unity before emotion
    The diminution of British sovereignty is the core principle that threatens to provoke around 100 Tory Eurosceptics to rebel


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/11216639/European-Arrest-Warrant-Tory-MPs-should-put-unity-before-emotion.html

    And they are all clearly 'heandbangers'
  • Just got back from the ATP Tennis at the London O2 - Murray played like a Cybernat* :)

    * only kidding

    You mean his ground game was rubbish and didn't live up to the hype?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    I really hope someone takes this Andrew Farmer thing all the way and has some placards and stickers put up on election day. He's a politician for the future;utterly unable to disappoint his supporters.
  • Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Kinnock: Ed Miliband is not in danger as Labour leader":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29978194

    game over.
    More like "Tilt"

    Think more like stepping into the vortex on the adventure game. Kinnock says Ed is safe, mean he's dead meat.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    maaarsh said:

    Nice to see OGH went for a snide reference to a statistically irrelevant split (men most 16 v 14) but chose to ignore the significantly more honest (/disengaged) support UKIP collect.

    Why do 6% of LibDems think they can recognise his photo?

    (2/2/1 for Lab/Con/UKIP)
  • Mr. Eagles, I was browsing Amazon for potential Christmas presents and came across this, which you might like [or, indeed, have written]:
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Masters-Command-Alexander-Hannibal-Leadership/dp/1439164487/

    Check the review: "Only four stars as I couldn't possibly give any book that comes out and says that Caesar was the greatest general of the ancient world five stars"
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    I see Polly twaddle is at it again. Poor little confused champagne socialist as she is.

    www.theguardian.com ›7 Dec 2006 -
    Polly Toynbee: The chancellor towers over his opponents in terms of brain power . ... Twice a year Gordon Brown fills his party's sails with pride.

    www.theguardian.com 11 May 2009 - Polly Toynbee: He made the rich richer and the poor poorer. ... The one character who has been tested to final destruction is Gordon Brown.

    Polly Toynbee
    theguardian.com, Sunday 9 November 2014 16.41 GMT
    This is the party that knowingly drove straight into a concrete wall in 2010 with Gordon Brown at the helm

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/09/panic-labour-leadership-ed-miliband

    From hero to zero and basket case in errr.. Well 7 short years. Now shes on about Miliband ....

    You can always trust Polly ( to get it wrong)

    SaveEd

  • kle4 said:

    FalseFlag said:

    Speedy said:

    It's no surprise to me, 1/6th of the public has been proved to have the IQ of G.W.Bush in the past as well, there were 2 polls in both America and Britain that showed the same number supporting nuclear war.

    Bush scored in the 95th percentile, higher than Kerry.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/politics/campaign/24points.html
    When you read people making prejudicial misjudgements about Bush's IQ - you can then understand why people identify a politician that does not exist.
    But...but, he made verbal gaffs and fell off a segway, and I don't like his presidency! He must have been a total imbecile!

    In truth I have no idea what his intelligence level is, but there's no way it is as low as people joke about, as even a patsy of others needs the guile to play their role consistently and effectively.
    True, but I loved the Robin Williams thing about him.

    "How did he do?"
    "well he waved at Stevie Wonder"

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOE5ztEHFeY
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    News of a possible defection:

    If Ed is pushed aside for an Alan Johnson 'coronation' I shall be quitting the party and joining the Greens.

    This is the problem for Labour. Others will go and 'join' or vote LD. But if labour crown Johnson then they expose themselves as anointing one idiot to replace another, handing the leadership over to a shallow joker who is all about presentation, someone who has nothing to offer other than a song a joke and a soft shoe shuffle. He is more of a trade union lackey than Ed, Ed at least only made use of the trade union vote rather than believed in it.
  • And I forgot UKIP HQ are sending Ed his membership forms as we speak

    Ed Miliband warns threats to leave EU a 'danger' to UK

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29967737
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    On the subject of Hannibal and co, as my reading on the ancient world has not advanced as much as I had hoped, I did the ExtraHistory series on Youtube an entertaining introduction to the period, though I cannot speak as to the accuracy of all the claims.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbBHk_zLTmY
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    Nice ideas but all too far away although the hedge on the GP was tempting... as it was, the slaphead pigdog took my money yet again.

    Hull at 12/5 two weeks today looks good value?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,704
    Andrew Farmer does exist.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Farmer

    People are clearly more interested in politics than we thought.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    kle4 said:

    FalseFlag said:

    Speedy said:

    It's no surprise to me, 1/6th of the public has been proved to have the IQ of G.W.Bush in the past as well, there were 2 polls in both America and Britain that showed the same number supporting nuclear war.

    Bush scored in the 95th percentile, higher than Kerry.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/politics/campaign/24points.html
    When you read people making prejudicial misjudgements about Bush's IQ - you can then understand why people identify a politician that does not exist.
    But...but, he made verbal gaffs and fell off a segway, and I don't like his presidency! He must have been a total imbecile!

    In truth I have no idea what his intelligence level is, but there's no way it is as low as people joke about, as even a patsy of others needs the guile to play their role consistently and effectively.
    True, but I loved the Robin Williams thing about him.

    "How did he do?"
    "well he waved at Stevie Wonder"

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOE5ztEHFeY
    Heh. I did like a gag from an episode of South Park with Bush too.

    UN Delegate: Are you high, or just incredibly stupid?
    Bush: I assure you, I am not high.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited November 2014
    Jonathan said:

    Andrew Farmer does exist.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Farmer

    People are clearly more interested in politics than we thought.

    I hope he has a twitter feed he is baffled is being spammed by polling nerds from the UK pledging their support.

    Edit: Like that american lady who was bombarded with cricketing posts as her handle was @theashes
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    I'm so tempted to throw even more money on Rochester vs the pig dog, I need ideas for another emotional illogical bet instead.

    Spurs to be relegated???

    Poch still 6/1 to be next manager out..
    (edit - with Ladbrokes)
    Did anyone take my 6/1 tip on the Saints for Top 4 finish?

    Or the more outlandish 500/1 for the title?

    The first of those isn't looking too crazy right now.
    I backed Saints top 4 at 12/1 a bit before. They're now 2/1, Liverpool are 9/4 and Spurs 9/1

    I hope Poch, Lallana and Lovren are happy in the bottom half!
    I'm glad I didn't take up our top four bet, but you did lead me to Ronald Koeman LMA Manager of the Year at 8/1.
    That is a cracking bet, as shown by the Premier League handicap betting with Ladbrokes (though market not up atm); Saints were given +38 pre-season and were 4/11 last time I saw it up
  • Just got back from the ATP Tennis at the London O2 - Murray played like a Cybernat* :)

    * only kidding

    You mean his ground game was rubbish and didn't live up to the hype?
    Absolutely - he even briefly rallied in the second set, reminiscent of that YG outlier showing YES ahead a week before the Referendum.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Kinnock: Ed Miliband is not in danger as Labour leader":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29978194

    game over.
    More like "Tilt"

    Think more like stepping into the vortex on the adventure game. Kinnock says Ed is safe, mean he's dead meat.
    Doom 3 then?
  • Mr. Eagles, I was browsing Amazon for potential Christmas presents and came across this, which you might like [or, indeed, have written]:
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Masters-Command-Alexander-Hannibal-Leadership/dp/1439164487/

    Check the review: "Only four stars as I couldn't possibly give any book that comes out and says that Caesar was the greatest general of the ancient world five stars"

    I did not write that book.

    But clearly it is a brilliant book, with some perceptive and intelligent observations.

    I too would give it 4 stars, as it fails to mention Hannibal's ineptness
  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376

    I'm so tempted to throw even more money on Rochester vs the pig dog, I need ideas for another emotional illogical bet instead.

    Spurs to be relegated???

    Poch still 6/1 to be next manager out..
    (edit - with Ladbrokes)
    Did anyone take my 6/1 tip on the Saints for Top 4 finish?

    Or the more outlandish 500/1 for the title?

    The first of those isn't looking too crazy right now.
    I backed Saints top 4 at 12/1 a bit before.
    I know it ties up the loot for a bit but that's a cracking bet you've got.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    fitalass said:

    "(bar your obsessive unhealthy hatred of them that is)?"

    Can we finally knock this childish claim on the head as its become an every more regular and boring cry from some Ukippers on PB if there is any criticism of UKIP!! It was just as childish when some of the Nats on here used to claim the same with regard the SNP!

    Good.

    I know this is a shock to pb people but most people couldn't care a less about politics. And of those that do, only a small fraction know much about it.

    By the way, I also don't know anyone who gives a flying fig about the EU. Some care about immigration (and loads don't), but I haven't heard anyone outside pb.com talking about the EU for over a year. Cue you-kippers talking about 'my circles,' but have you actually thought that it might be the ones you-kip-keep?

    Well do you not listen to the news or read the (Tory and Labour) newspapers then because they were full of Dave and George going on about Brussels last week and Miliband is speaking about the EU tomorrow which begs the question why on earth you are dragging UKIP into it (bar your obsessive unhealthy hatred of them that is)?

    Its not UKIP that have been banging on about the EU (UKIP's position is settled) its the Tories primarily who can't get it right and now it would seem increasingly the Labour Party who will no doubt start an 'I Love Brussels' campaign on Twitter to accompany what will no doubt be a 'ground breaking' speech for Mr. Ed.

    I have a wider question for punters on here. Can a political party be stalked? If so I suggest UKIP have more than one stalker on here!

    PS And the last thing I want to contemplate is Audreyanne's 'circles' (reaches for the mind bleach)
    Don't you start. Audrey claims that she hates ukip like she hates Ebola, which looks like obsessive unhealthy hatred to me.

    Audrey also claimed at one stage last night to have been to a dinner party where 4 of the 6 present were kippers, and claimed the day before that to speak frequently to kippers of both sexes, so it's hard to understand this new onslaught on kipper circles. Unless of course Audrey is a liar.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited November 2014

    Dr. Prasannan, hope you had a splendid time.

    Thanks, Mr Dancer, I did. First live sport I've ever attended (save for an Essex cricket match at Ilford's Valentines Park some 20 years ago), though it was my third visit to the O2 Arena.

    Nishikori looks like he can play rather well. Also saw a doubles match between pairs of Spanish and French chaps (Granollers/Lopez v. Benneteau/Roger-Vasselin).
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Jonathan said:

    Andrew Farmer does exist.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Farmer

    People are clearly more interested in politics than we thought.

    The most astute 15%!
  • Mr. kle4, interesting, and pretty much accurate, video.

    The Second Punic War is indeed awesome.

    The (naval) Battle of Ecnomus in the First Punic War involved over a quarter of a million men.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited November 2014

    Mr. kle4, interesting, and pretty much accurate, video.

    The Second Punic War is indeed awesome.

    The (naval) Battle of Ecnomus in the First Punic War involved over a quarter of a million men.

    Holy (pre) Christ, that's impressive. Ancient History was a sorely lacking part of my education really. Hell, when I was doing my masters it was depressing as hell that of around 20 others, only 3 had chosen non-20th century topics as dissertations topics. What is wrong with people?


  • The Second Punic War is indeed awesome.

    Not if you were from Carthage, The Second Punic War, also referred to as The Hannibalic War, was a humiliating but inevitable defeat for Carthage, because they were led by Hannibal.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    I'm so tempted to throw even more money on Rochester vs the pig dog, I need ideas for another emotional illogical bet instead.

    Spurs to be relegated???

    Poch still 6/1 to be next manager out..
    (edit - with Ladbrokes)
    Did anyone take my 6/1 tip on the Saints for Top 4 finish?

    Or the more outlandish 500/1 for the title?

    The first of those isn't looking too crazy right now.
    I backed Saints top 4 at 12/1 a bit before.
    I know it ties up the loot for a bit but that's a cracking bet you've got.
    Might not look so good in January. After Villa in two weeks we've got ManC(h), Arsenal(a), ManU(h), Burnley(a), Everton(h), Palace(a), Chelsea(h), Arsenal(h), ManU(a) in the space of about 6 weeks. If we can get more than 10 points out of the 27 available there I'll be pretty pleased.
  • A comment on the EU (I can't help it I'm a Kipper) but is it me or have things got more fractious since Hammond took over from Wet Willy?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited November 2014
    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andrew Farmer does exist.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Farmer

    People are clearly more interested in politics than we thought.

    The most astute 15%!
    You don't have to answer, and I understand why you won't.

    But what exactly is your job, because it involves a lot of air travel, are you an Air Marshal?

    (I think you once said, it was something sciencey?)
  • A comment on the EU (I can't help it I'm a Kipper) but is it me or have things got more fractious since Hammond took over from Wet Willy?

    Well he is an outer...
  • Mr. Eagles, the Carthaginians had their moments.

    Mr. kle4, it's a huge amount. Tragic comedy also formed part of Rome's naval experience, as they lost a whole fleet in the First Punic War to bad weather. I think they lost more men to the sea than the Carthaginians.

    The Second Punic War had some of the bloodiest battles in European history. Cannae, for example, is (in casualty terms) directly comparable to battles in the First World War.
  • Mr Dancer, thought this list may interest you:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_naval_battle_in_history
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    edited November 2014
    Dr. Prasannan, cheers for that link.

    It's interesting that (in raw numbers) ancient warfare can often equal the bloodiest of modern conflicts.

    Edited extra bit: anyway, I'm off now.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    edited November 2014

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andrew Farmer does exist.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Farmer

    People are clearly more interested in politics than we thought.

    The most astute 15%!
    You don't have to answer, and I understand why you won't.

    But what exactly is your job, because it involves a lot of air travel, are you an Air Marshal?

    (I think you once said, it was something sciencey?)
    "Professional" stargazer ;)

    I did lol at Air Marshal though!
  • kle4 said:



    Heh. I did like a gag from an episode of South Park with Bush too.

    UN Delegate: Are you high, or just incredibly stupid?
    Bush: I assure you, I am not high.

    I liked the line Val McDermid gave Tony Hill in one of the Wire in the Blood books (don't think it made onto the tv version though)

    "I am to DIY what George W Bush is to the philosophy of language"

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited November 2014
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andrew Farmer does exist.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Farmer

    People are clearly more interested in politics than we thought.

    The most astute 15%!
    You don't have to answer, and I understand why you won't.

    But what exactly is your job, because it involves a lot of air travel, are you an Air Marshal?

    (I think you once said, it was something sciencey?)
    "Professional" stargazer ;)

    I did lol at Air Marshal though!
    I wanted to be Professional Stargazer I want point, was around the time I realised Wolf 359 was an actual star.

    Re Air Marshal, You can tell I rewatched Non-Stop late last night
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Nice to see jack w back.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    Somewhere out there is a non-entity politician, perhaps a Liberal Democrat, who will attempt to use this poll as a springboard to power.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173

    john_zims said:

    @surbiton

    Lucy Powell doing a great job,has any spin doctor achieved so much in such a short period of time?

    I heard Lucy Powell on R5 this morning. What an AWFUL communicator! She sounded about 17. Every sentence had 3 "you know" making it incredibly irritating to listen to her.
    About 17 - so older than Miliband then.
  • john_zims said:

    @surbiton

    Lucy Powell doing a great job,has any spin doctor achieved so much in such a short period of time?

    I you know heard Lucy you know Powell on R5 you know this morning. What an you know AWFUL you know communicator you know! She you know sounded you know about you know 17. Every sentence had you know 3 "you know" making it you know incredibly irritating to you know listen to her.
    Corrected it for you :)
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Damn it! It's time for Wenger - pronounced Venger - to go. The old chap is surely past it, he looks older than me by at least 10 years, and I'm 80. Anyway he is now starting to destroy whats left of Arsenal. It's all very sad.
  • Oh look another Tory hasn't got the memo (only Kippers bang on about Europe)...........

    Britain must be ready to 'walk out' on European Union, Matt Hancock says
    Business, Enterprise and Energy minister says referendum on Britain's membership will encourage other EU countries to hand over powers


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11219828/Britain-must-be-ready-to-walk-out-on-European-Union-Matt-Hancock-says.html

    Has this Osborne outrider gone native or is this the ground prep for the mother of all u-turns by the Tory leadership?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/09/ed-miliband-twitter-mission-show-support-trending

    You gotta love the people who actually think this kind of thing helps their leader.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    rcs1000 said:

    Somewhere out there is a non-entity politician, perhaps a Liberal Democrat, who will attempt to use this poll as a springboard to power.

    ah but there is - unfortunately he's already called Nick Clegg.
  • MikeK said:

    Damn it! It's time for Wenger - pronounced Venger - to go. The old chap is surely past it, he looks older than me by at least 10 years, and I'm 80. Anyway he is now starting to destroy whats left of Arsenal. It's all very sad.

    He reminds me of Clouseau's Inspector.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    felix said:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/09/ed-miliband-twitter-mission-show-support-trending

    You gotta love the people who actually think this kind of thing helps their leader.

    Bless.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    MikeK said:

    Damn it! It's time for Wenger - pronounced Venger - to go. The old chap is surely past it, he looks older than me by at least 10 years, and I'm 80. Anyway he is now starting to destroy whats left of Arsenal. It's all very sad.

    He reminds me of Clouseau's Inspector.
    Wenger is more concerned about the financial viability of a football club than the owners are.

    He should be CoE or whatever they call the Finance Minister in France !
  • For those with little to do this Sunday evening here is one of those political quiz thingies to play with:

    http://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

    Mine came out:

    87% Con
    87% UKIP
    25% Lab
    10% Libdem (and no significant areas of mutual agreement)

    I think that makes me a small 'C' conservative
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    edited November 2014

    Oh look another Tory hasn't got the memo (only Kippers bang on about Europe)...........

    Britain must be ready to 'walk out' on European Union, Matt Hancock says
    Business, Enterprise and Energy minister says referendum on Britain's membership will encourage other EU countries to hand over powers


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11219828/Britain-must-be-ready-to-walk-out-on-European-Union-Matt-Hancock-says.html

    Has this Osborne outrider gone native or is this the ground prep for the mother of all u-turns by the Tory leadership?


    Voters back Cameron on EU cash
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827026/Voters-Cameron-EU-cash-half-Mail-Sunday-poll-say-PM-right-stand-Brussels-1-75bn-bill.html

    The public seem to have got the memo though.
  • Some interesting insights into what's behind he Miliband unrest from the MP's perspective:

    Labour unrest: What Ed Miliband can learn from David Cameron’s struggles with the Tories

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/11/labour-unrest-what-ed-miliband-can-learn-from-david-camerons-struggles-with-the-tories/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited November 2014
    78% Con
    69% LD
    59% UKIP
    53% Lab
    51% Green

    Well, at least there was a leader in this case - sometimes on these things I end up with a three way tie.

    Apparently PC and Greens are the closest match for me on transportation issues.

    Education, Environment, Economy, Foreign Policy, Immigration - Con
    Social and Healthcare - LD
    Domestic - Lab

    So I'm supposed to be Con I guess?
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    For those with little to do this Sunday evening here is one of those political quiz thingies to play with:

    http://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

    Mine came out:

    87% Con
    87% UKIP
    25% Lab
    10% Libdem (and no significant areas of mutual agreement)

    I think that makes me a small 'C' conservative

    HELP!!!!!

    Con 78 UKIP 74 Libdem 60 Lab 54

    That may well mean I'm a mess
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