The South Yorkshire result was was a win for decency against a campaign from Ukip which was indecent.Further,after the Tories announcing they are quite happy for women and children to drown in the Med,the Labour candidate in Rochester could kick-box for decency in Rochester and Strood.Both Ukip and Tory fit the nasty party bill.
You do talk some utter pish at times. The UK territorial waters do not extend into the Med (excluding the wee bit around Gibraltar). Let the Spanish, Italians, Greeks, Maltese, Algerians, Moroccans, Libyans, Tunisians etc patrol their own waters.
To use the vernacular Ukip have just had their rear ends kicked in South Yorkshire, contrary to expectations. I suspect they will perform somewhat better in Rochester in the borough of Medway
UKIP did increase their share of the vote by 20%,
UKIPs failure was to get the protest vote out. Labour got their postal votes out and didn't need to do anymore.
And that is the lesson for today. Its easy to saw you will vote UKIP its another matter actually getting to the voting booth and putting the cross in their box.
Labour didn't get their vote to the voting booth. It was all postal votes. Presumably powered by "community leaders".
What are you suggesting? Skullduggery?
You are proposing otherwise?
Yes, democracy at work.
Are you arguing that there was no postal voting fraud on behalf of Labour -no non existent electors, no man voting on behalf of his whole family, even given the vast postal turn out compared to the polling station numbers, even given the fact that such issues have been rife in the past? Not even to the tune of the 19 votes needed to avoid a second round? Upon what do you base this extraordinary assertion?
59% hold extreme views on Taxes, while 49% hold extreme views on the rest of the issues, also:
"In a separate study, Ahler and Broockman sought to determine whether voters adopted extreme positions in surveys because there were no consequences, whereas in the real world of governing, these same voters might prefer their elected officials to take more moderate stands. This proved not to be the case"
This explains the rise of left wing populism in scotland and right wing populism in england, people actually want it.
Social conservatism/economic socialism is the way forward. The political elites stubbornly clinging to the "centre ground" theory that they've staked their careers on will be the last to accept it, obviously.
Do you have one example, just one, where 'economic socialism' has been successful in the medium to long term?
My and my family's life is an example. If post-war socialism hadn't helped my parents go from a council estate to the middle class then God knows where I'd be.
And yet my family went from absolute post war poverty to relative comfort with no economic help from the socialist state. Likewise I have gone from a working class background to running a very successful industrial consultancy firm with both my parents and myself making a point of not taking a penny from the government in benefits.
Now my example is no more 'the norm' than yours but the idea that one can only succeed in coming from poverty to success through taking money from the state is patently false.
To use the vernacular Ukip have just had their rear ends kicked in South Yorkshire, contrary to expectations. I suspect they will perform somewhat better in Rochester in the borough of Medway
UKIP did increase their share of the vote by 20%,
UKIPs failure was to get the protest vote out. Labour got their postal votes out and didn't need to do anymore.
And that is the lesson for today. Its easy to saw you will vote UKIP its another matter actually getting to the voting booth and putting the cross in their box.
The lesson is that the Lib Dem vote in Sheffield won it for them
So there's lots of Lib Dems? I thought people said they didn't stand because they would lose their deposit.
19 LD votes were enough and 19 votes is also a lost deposit.
Ok thanks. Of course that implies you think that UKIP would have got a large enough majority of 2nd preferences to overcome Labours 18% lead. In any case ISAM disagrees with you: "They got 53% in Sheffield Hallam & 41% in Sheffield Central in 2010 while coming 1st or 2nd in every Sheffield seat, so yes there are lots of them" (LibDems)
We don't know how many LD are left since 2010.
Rumour has it they can be found in Orkney, Sheffield Hallam and Eastleigh. Like endangered animals at the zoo.
To use the vernacular Ukip have just had their rear ends kicked in South Yorkshire, contrary to expectations. I suspect they will perform somewhat better in Rochester in the borough of Medway
UKIP did increase their share of the vote by 20%,
UKIPs failure was to get the protest vote out. Labour got their postal votes out and didn't need to do anymore.
And that is the lesson for today. Its easy to saw you will vote UKIP its another matter actually getting to the voting booth and putting the cross in their box.
The lesson is that the Lib Dem vote in Sheffield won it for them
So there's lots of Lib Dems? I thought people said they didn't stand because they would lose their deposit.
19 LD votes were enough and 19 votes is also a lost deposit.
Ok thanks. Of course that implies you think that UKIP would have got a large enough majority of 2nd preferences to overcome Labours 18% lead. In any case ISAM disagrees with you: "They got 53% in Sheffield Hallam & 41% in Sheffield Central in 2010 while coming 1st or 2nd in every Sheffield seat, so yes there are lots of them" (LibDems)
We don't know how many LD are left since 2010.
OK, but ISAM blamed them for UKIP's failure in the Police Commisioner election.
Of course it did. If the LD had 19 voters left for first preferences, it would be enough, or 8% left for second preferences.
The South Yorkshire result was was a win for decency against a campaign from Ukip which was indecent.Further,after the Tories announcing they are quite happy for women and children to drown in the Med,the Labour candidate in Rochester could kick-box for decency in Rochester and Strood.Both Ukip and Tory fit the nasty party bill.
You do talk some utter pish at times. The UK territorial waters do not extend into the Med (excluding the wee bit around Gibraltar). Let the Spanish, Italians, Greeks, Maltese, Algerians, Moroccans, Libyans, Tunisians etc patrol their own waters.
Do the sovereign base areas not have territorial waters attached?
To use the vernacular Ukip have just had their rear ends kicked in South Yorkshire, contrary to expectations. I suspect they will perform somewhat better in Rochester in the borough of Medway
UKIP did increase their share of the vote by 20%,
UKIPs failure was to get the protest vote out. Labour got their postal votes out and didn't need to do anymore.
And that is the lesson for today. Its easy to saw you will vote UKIP its another matter actually getting to the voting booth and putting the cross in their box.
Labour didn't get their vote to the voting booth. It was all postal votes. Presumably powered by "community leaders".
What are you suggesting? Skullduggery?
You are proposing otherwise?
Yes, democracy at work.
Are you arguing that there was no postal voting fraud on behalf of Labour -no non existent electors, no man voting on behalf of his whole family, even given the vast postal turn out compared to the polling station numbers, even given the fact that such issues have been rife in the past? Not even to the tune of the 19 votes needed to avoid a second round? Upon what do you base this extraordinary assertion?
No chance UKIP would have won, but it would have been bloody nice to have had a look at those second preferences.
To use the vernacular Ukip have just had their rear ends kicked in South Yorkshire, contrary to expectations. I suspect they will perform somewhat better in Rochester in the borough of Medway
UKIP did increase their share of the vote by 20%,
UKIPs failure was to get the protest vote out. Labour got their postal votes out and didn't need to do anymore.
And that is the lesson for today. Its easy to saw you will vote UKIP its another matter actually getting to the voting booth and putting the cross in their box.
The lesson is that the Lib Dem vote in Sheffield won it for them
So there's lots of Lib Dems? I thought people said they didn't stand because they would lose their deposit.
19 LD votes were enough and 19 votes is also a lost deposit.
Ok thanks. Of course that implies you think that UKIP would have got a large enough majority of 2nd preferences to overcome Labours 18% lead. In any case ISAM disagrees with you: "They got 53% in Sheffield Hallam & 41% in Sheffield Central in 2010 while coming 1st or 2nd in every Sheffield seat, so yes there are lots of them" (LibDems)
We don't know how many LD are left since 2010.
Rumour has it they can be found in Orkney, Sheffield Hallam and Eastleigh. Like endangered animals at the zoo.
To use the vernacular Ukip have just had their rear ends kicked in South Yorkshire, contrary to expectations. I suspect they will perform somewhat better in Rochester in the borough of Medway
UKIP did increase their share of the vote by 20%,
UKIPs failure was to get the protest vote out. Labour got their postal votes out and didn't need to do anymore.
And that is the lesson for today. Its easy to saw you will vote UKIP its another matter actually getting to the voting booth and putting the cross in their box.
The lesson is that the Lib Dem vote in Sheffield won it for them
So there's lots of Lib Dems? I thought people said they didn't stand because they would lose their deposit.
19 LD votes were enough and 19 votes is also a lost deposit.
Ok thanks. Of course that implies you think that UKIP would have got a large enough majority of 2nd preferences to overcome Labours 18% lead. In any case ISAM disagrees with you: "They got 53% in Sheffield Hallam & 41% in Sheffield Central in 2010 while coming 1st or 2nd in every Sheffield seat, so yes there are lots of them" (LibDems)
We don't know how many LD are left since 2010.
OK, but ISAM blamed them for UKIP's failure in the Police Commisioner election.
So, if there were no Lib Dem or Green candidates standing in any seat next May, do you think Labour would do better or worse?
The South Yorkshire result was was a win for decency against a campaign from Ukip which was indecent.Further,after the Tories announcing they are quite happy for women and children to drown in the Med,the Labour candidate in Rochester could kick-box for decency in Rochester and Strood.Both Ukip and Tory fit the nasty party bill.
You do talk some utter pish at times. The UK territorial waters do not extend into the Med (excluding the wee bit around Gibraltar). Let the Spanish, Italians, Greeks, Maltese, Algerians, Moroccans, Libyans, Tunisians etc patrol their own waters.
Do the sovereign base areas not have territorial waters attached?
No I don't believe they do. They do normally have exclusion zones for security by the territorial waters remain those of the state (for example in Cyprus)
They're going to have problems finding another Chairperson.
I would suggest the Archbishop of York. He studied law, worked as a High Court Advocate, and Chaired the Damilola Taylor review. I think he would be trusted by the victim's families, and would be impartial and pursue the truth wherever it lead. Which is why he will probably never be asked.
To use the vernacular Ukip have just had their rear ends kicked in South Yorkshire, contrary to expectations. I suspect they will perform somewhat better in Rochester in the borough of Medway
UKIP did increase their share of the vote by 20%,
UKIPs failure was to get the protest vote out. Labour got their postal votes out and didn't need to do anymore.
And that is the lesson for today. Its easy to saw you will vote UKIP its another matter actually getting to the voting booth and putting the cross in their box.
The lesson is that the Lib Dem vote in Sheffield won it for them
So there's lots of Lib Dems? I thought people said they didn't stand because they would lose their deposit.
19 LD votes were enough and 19 votes is also a lost deposit.
Ok thanks. Of course that implies you think that UKIP would have got a large enough majority of 2nd preferences to overcome Labours 18% lead. In any case ISAM disagrees with you: "They got 53% in Sheffield Hallam & 41% in Sheffield Central in 2010 while coming 1st or 2nd in every Sheffield seat, so yes there are lots of them" (LibDems)
We don't know how many LD are left since 2010.
OK, but ISAM blamed them for UKIP's failure in the Police Commisioner election.
So, if there were no Lib Dem or Green candidates standing in any seat next May, do you think Labour would do better or worse?
In May the voters actually vote in contrast with PCC elections.
To use the vernacular Ukip have just had their rear ends kicked in South Yorkshire, contrary to expectations. I suspect they will perform somewhat better in Rochester in the borough of Medway
UKIP did increase their share of the vote by 20%,
UKIPs failure was to get the protest vote out. Labour got their postal votes out and didn't need to do anymore.
And that is the lesson for today. Its easy to saw you will vote UKIP its another matter actually getting to the voting booth and putting the cross in their box.
The lesson is that the Lib Dem vote in Sheffield won it for them
So there's lots of Lib Dems? I thought people said they didn't stand because they would lose their deposit.
19 LD votes were enough and 19 votes is also a lost deposit.
Ok thanks. Of course that implies you think that UKIP would have got a large enough majority of 2nd preferences to overcome Labours 18% lead. In any case ISAM disagrees with you: "They got 53% in Sheffield Hallam & 41% in Sheffield Central in 2010 while coming 1st or 2nd in every Sheffield seat, so yes there are lots of them" (LibDems)
We don't know how many LD are left since 2010.
OK, but ISAM blamed them for UKIP's failure in the Police Commisioner election.
So, if there were no Lib Dem or Green candidates standing in any seat next May, do you think Labour would do better or worse?
It's not my argument, take it up with Speedy. I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies.
59% hold extreme views on Taxes, while 49% hold extreme views on the rest of the issues, also:
"In a separate study, Ahler and Broockman sought to determine whether voters adopted extreme positions in surveys because there were no consequences, whereas in the real world of governing, these same voters might prefer their elected officials to take more moderate stands. This proved not to be the case"
This explains the rise of left wing populism in scotland and right wing populism in england, people actually want it.
Social conservatism/economic socialism is the way forward. The political elites stubbornly clinging to the "centre ground" theory that they've staked their careers on will be the last to accept it, obviously.
Do you have one example, just one, where 'economic socialism' has been successful in the medium to long term?
My and my family's life is an example. If post-war socialism hadn't helped my parents go from council houses to the middle class then God knows where I'd be.
I don't pretend to know your family history, but I meant in macro-economic terms. The wider story of British post-war socialism is one of precipitous decline, stagnation, and economic misery.
To use the vernacular Ukip have just had their rear ends kicked in South Yorkshire, contrary to expectations. I suspect they will perform somewhat better in Rochester in the borough of Medway
UKIP did increase their share of the vote by 20%,
UKIPs failure was to get the protest vote out. Labour got their postal votes out and didn't need to do anymore.
And that is the lesson for today. Its easy to saw you will vote UKIP its another matter actually getting to the voting booth and putting the cross in their box.
The lesson is that the Lib Dem vote in Sheffield won it for them
So there's lots of Lib Dems? I thought people said they didn't stand because they would lose their deposit.
19 LD votes were enough and 19 votes is also a lost deposit.
Ok thanks. Of course that implies you think that UKIP would have got a large enough majority of 2nd preferences to overcome Labours 18% lead. In any case ISAM disagrees with you: "They got 53% in Sheffield Hallam & 41% in Sheffield Central in 2010 while coming 1st or 2nd in every Sheffield seat, so yes there are lots of them" (LibDems)
We don't know how many LD are left since 2010.
Rumour has it they can be found in Orkney, Sheffield Hallam and Eastleigh. Like endangered animals at the zoo.
I replace Hallam with Ross&Skye.
Charlie Kennedy and Alistair Carmichael could be sharing a Scottish taxi come GE2015.
To use the vernacular Ukip have just had their rear ends kicked in South Yorkshire, contrary to expectations. I suspect they will perform somewhat better in Rochester in the borough of Medway
UKIP did increase their share of the vote by 20%,
UKIPs failure was to get the protest vote out. Labour got their postal votes out and didn't need to do anymore.
And that is the lesson for today. Its easy to saw you will vote UKIP its another matter actually getting to the voting booth and putting the cross in their box.
The lesson is that the Lib Dem vote in Sheffield won it for them
So there's lots of Lib Dems? I thought people said they didn't stand because they would lose their deposit.
19 LD votes were enough and 19 votes is also a lost deposit.
Ok thanks. Of course that implies you think that UKIP would have got a large enough majority of 2nd preferences to overcome Labours 18% lead. In any case ISAM disagrees with you: "They got 53% in Sheffield Hallam & 41% in Sheffield Central in 2010 while coming 1st or 2nd in every Sheffield seat, so yes there are lots of them" (LibDems)
We don't know how many LD are left since 2010.
OK, but ISAM blamed them for UKIP's failure in the Police Commisioner election.
So, if there were no Lib Dem or Green candidates standing in any seat next May, do you think Labour would do better or worse?
It's not my argument, take it up with Speedy. I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies.
It is your argument, it was you that said
"So there's lots of Lib Dems? I thought people said they didn't stand because they would lose their deposit"
in response to my
"The lesson is that the Lib Dem vote in Sheffield won it for them"
The South Yorkshire result was a win for decency - seriously? And the child abuse will stop? And child abusers will no longer be under the protection of labour politicians? And the little girl last seen being dragged out of a hospital never to be heard of again by a gang of men whose faces were on the security cameras, will the police will now investigate her likely murder? A vote for labour was a vote for the whole evil to continue. Not voting at all was a vote for the evil to continue.
The people I know that vote Labour or Liberal do so out of their selfish interest for big state government. They have well paid public sector jobs not doing much, and thats what they vote for. But even they would not say the South Yorkshire result was a win for decency.
Well I have watched today's events and comments with much mirth. Did you smell that? It's the pong of UKIP bs coming down wind now the barn doors have been opened and the truth is out.
Get used to it. Today is but a foretaste of what will happen on May 7th/8th. Masses of UKIP hype and bugger all seats. Well maybe at best a handful. Like the Greens they are a protest party of malcontents, misfits and mavericks.
And as today's posts from the pb-kippers have shown, they are also very sore losers. A bad sport blames the equipment …
Back to the reality: Labour vs Conservative for the centre ground of British politics where all General Elections are won or lost. We don't like extremists of left or right in this country, thank you very much. Byeeeeee.
To use the vernacular Ukip have just had their rear ends kicked in South Yorkshire, contrary to expectations. I suspect they will perform somewhat better in Rochester in the borough of Medway
UKIP did increase their share of the vote by 20%,
UKIPs failure was to get the protest vote out. Labour got their postal votes out and didn't need to do anymore.
And that is the lesson for today. Its easy to saw you will vote UKIP its another matter actually getting to the voting booth and putting the cross in their box.
The lesson is that the Lib Dem vote in Sheffield won it for them
So there's lots of Lib Dems? I thought people said they didn't stand because they would lose their deposit.
19 LD votes were enough and 19 votes is also a lost deposit.
Ok thanks. Of course that implies you think that UKIP would have got a large enough majority of 2nd preferences to overcome Labours 18% lead. In any case ISAM disagrees with you: "They got 53% in Sheffield Hallam & 41% in Sheffield Central in 2010 while coming 1st or 2nd in every Sheffield seat, so yes there are lots of them" (LibDems)
We don't know how many LD are left since 2010.
OK, but ISAM blamed them for UKIP's failure in the Police Commisioner election.
So, if there were no Lib Dem or Green candidates standing in any seat next May, do you think Labour would do better or worse?
It's not my argument, take it up with Speedy. I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies.
It is your argument, it was you that said
"So there's lots of Lib Dems? I thought people said they didn't stand because they would lose their deposit"
in response to my
"The lesson is that the Lib Dem vote in Sheffield won it for them"
My question (!) was why we had two UKIP supporters on here, one saying that there are lots of Lib Dems the other saying they wouldn't stand because they would lose their deposit. It's not my argument because I wasn't making a point, just asking a question. I don't know whether you or Speedy is right, or you could both be wrong.
They're going to have problems finding another Chairperson.
I would suggest the Archbishop of York. He studied law, worked as a High Court Advocate, and Chaired the Damilola Taylor review. I think he would be trusted by the victim's families, and would be impartial and pursue the truth wherever it lead. Which is why he will probably never be asked.
The FBU do not seem to get much publicity in the media, even with a four day planned strike. The contrast with the last major strike over 10 years ago , seems stark.
Well I have watched today's events and comments with much mirth. Did you smell that? It's the pong of UKIP bs coming down wind now the barn doors have been opened and the truth is out.
Get used to it. Today is but a foretaste of what will happen on May 7th/8th. Masses of UKIP hype and bugger all seats. Well maybe at best a handful. Like the Greens they are a protest party of malcontents, misfits and mavericks.
And as today's posts from the pb-kippers have shown, they are also very sore losers. A bad sport blames the equipment …
Back to the reality: Labour vs Conservative for the centre ground of British politics where all General Elections are won or lost. We don't like extremists of left or right in this country, thank you very much. Byeeeeee.
Get used to what? UKIP winning three times as many votes as the Conservatives?
To use the vernacular Ukip have just had their rear ends kicked in South Yorkshire, contrary to expectations. I suspect they will perform somewhat better in Rochester in the borough of Medway
UKIP did increase their share of the vote by 20%,
UKIPs failure was to get the protest vote out. Labour got their postal votes out and didn't need to do anymore.
And that is the lesson for today. Its easy to saw you will vote UKIP its another matter actually getting to the voting booth and putting the cross in their box.
The lesson is that the Lib Dem vote in Sheffield won it for them
So there's lots of Lib Dems? I thought people said they didn't stand because they would lose their deposit.
19 LD votes were enough and 19 votes is also a lost deposit.
Ok thanks. Of course that implies you think that UKIP would have got a large enough majority of 2nd preferences to overcome Labours 18% lead. In any case ISAM disagrees with you: "They got 53% in Sheffield Hallam & 41% in Sheffield Central in 2010 while coming 1st or 2nd in every Sheffield seat, so yes there are lots of them" (LibDems)
We don't know how many LD are left since 2010.
Rumour has it they can be found in Orkney, Sheffield Hallam and Eastleigh. Like endangered animals at the zoo.
I replace Hallam with Ross&Skye.
Charlie Kennedy and Alistair Carmichael could be sharing a Scottish taxi come GE2015.
Meanwhile the SNP could be needing a bus.
Alex salmond is giving Gordon, the seat, a good look according to newsratesman. Lib dem but Bruce is off.
Well I have watched today's events and comments with much mirth. Did you smell that? It's the pong of UKIP bs coming down wind now the barn doors have been opened and the truth is out.
Get used to it. Today is but a foretaste of what will happen on May 7th/8th. Masses of UKIP hype and bugger all seats. Well maybe at best a handful. Like the Greens they are a protest party of malcontents, misfits and mavericks.
And as today's posts from the pb-kippers have shown, they are also very sore losers. A bad sport blames the equipment …
Back to the reality: Labour vs Conservative for the centre ground of British politics where all General Elections are won or lost. We don't like extremists of left or right in this country, thank you very much. Byeeeeee.
Get used to what? UKIP winning three times as many votes as the Conservatives?
Oh Sean, don't be so mean as to use facts with audryanne. You know it only upsets her. Let her stay in her own little world where everyone loves the Tories and normal people don't impinge on her consciousness.
Well I have watched today's events and comments with much mirth. Did you smell that? It's the pong of UKIP bs coming down wind now the barn doors have been opened and the truth is out.
Get used to it. Today is but a foretaste of what will happen on May 7th/8th. Masses of UKIP hype and bugger all seats. Well maybe at best a handful. Like the Greens they are a protest party of malcontents, misfits and mavericks.
And as today's posts from the pb-kippers have shown, they are also very sore losers. A bad sport blames the equipment …
Back to the reality: Labour vs Conservative for the centre ground of British politics where all General Elections are won or lost. We don't like extremists of left or right in this country, thank you very much. Byeeeeee.
"Masses of UKIP hype and bugger all seats. Well maybe at best a handful."
Well I have watched today's events and comments with much mirth. Did you smell that? It's the pong of UKIP bs coming down wind now the barn doors have been opened and the truth is out.
Get used to it. Today is but a foretaste of what will happen on May 7th/8th. Masses of UKIP hype and bugger all seats. Well maybe at best a handful. Like the Greens they are a protest party of malcontents, misfits and mavericks.
And as today's posts from the pb-kippers have shown, they are also very sore losers. A bad sport blames the equipment …
Back to the reality: Labour vs Conservative for the centre ground of British politics where all General Elections are won or lost. We don't like extremists of left or right in this country, thank you very much. Byeeeeee.
Well I have watched today's events and comments with much mirth. Did you smell that? It's the pong of UKIP bs coming down wind now the barn doors have been opened and the truth is out.
Get used to it. Today is but a foretaste of what will happen on May 7th/8th. Masses of UKIP hype and bugger all seats. Well maybe at best a handful. Like the Greens they are a protest party of malcontents, misfits and mavericks.
And as today's posts from the pb-kippers have shown, they are also very sore losers. A bad sport blames the equipment …
Back to the reality: Labour vs Conservative for the centre ground of British politics where all General Elections are won or lost. We don't like extremists of left or right in this country, thank you very much. Byeeeeee.
Get used to what? UKIP winning three times as many votes as the Conservatives?
Oh Sean, don't be so mean as to use facts with audryanne. You know it only upsets her. Let her stay in her own little world where everyone loves the Tories and normal people don't impinge on her consciousness.
It may be a fact but it's a pretty inconsequential one. Does anyone think that the Tories were in with a chance in this election?
The South Yorkshire result was a win for decency - seriously? And the child abuse will stop? And child abusers will no longer be under the protection of labour politicians? And the little girl last seen being dragged out of a hospital never to be heard of again by a gang of men whose faces were on the security cameras, will the police will now investigate her likely murder? A vote for labour was a vote for the whole evil to continue. Not voting at all was a vote for the evil to continue.
The people I know that vote Labour or Liberal do so out of their selfish interest for big state government. They have well paid public sector jobs not doing much, and thats what they vote for. But even they would not say the South Yorkshire result was a win for decency.
The places where the child abuse is said to have happened was where Labour did worst
The place where the Lib Dems and Labour get 80%+in GE 2010 was where Labour did best
Warby J's judgment following the pretrial review in Mitchell MP v MGN and Rowland v Mitchell MP had been handed down ([2014] EWHC 3590 (QB)). The judgment principally concerns the admissibility of evidence at trial. Mitchell failed to exclude evidence adduced by NGN and Rowland about Mitchell's past conduct with police officers. The judge commented at [66]-[68]:
I asked myself whether the evidence, assuming it provisionally to be true, might lead to the conclusion that events on the evening of 19 September 2012 were more likely to have unfolded in the way alleged by PC Rowland and NGN, rather than as alleged by Mr Mitchell. I concluded that the answer was that it might. Looked at collectively the evidence of Mr Mitchell's encounters with police over cycle access at the Palace of Westminster, and cycle entry to and exit from Downing Street portrays a course of dealings in which Mr Mitchell has repeatedly asserted his status, engaged in confrontation, and, on a number of occasions, behaved in a rude and condescending way to police officers. One of the alleged incidents – the one of November 2005 - involves an explicit proclamation that he was too important to stop for the officer, and a direct insult addressed to the officer involved, under minimal if any provocation. The alleged incidents in Africa, if true, might show a hot temper, the use of foul language when provoked, a strong sense of superior status, and a condescending attitude to police officers. The evidence seemed to me potentially to throw light on Mr Mitchell's attitude and reaction when impediments are placed in his way by police officers and to show a more complex picture, materially different from Mr Mitchell's version of events on 19 September 2012 and from the occasional impatience and short temper and very occasional rudeness on other occasions which is admitted to by Mr Mitchell.
It looks as if the trials are going to be extremely bitter and costly affairs.
Lets assume 18% turnout in Hallam ward (Its affluent so you'd expect higher turnout even in the PCC election - over 70% turnout in GE, and Clegg being on 38% in Hallam (Which seems a fair guess)
27,324 votes for Clegg on 53.4% of the vote on 73.7% turnout gives a 69324 electorate.
So 18% turnout and 38%
That is 4700 Lib Dem votes or thereabouts Lets be generous and add 2000 from elsewhere (THey are going to lose alot of deposits in South Yorks)
That takes us to ~ 7000 votes, which is a lost deposit on ~ 150k votes and also introduces a 2nd round in the voting.
But UKIP still don't win, as those Lib Dem votes break disproportionately Labour 2nd pref (As can be seen by first preferences)
Aren't the Tories up 2, not down 2? But otherwise, obviously good news for UKIP.
Local rags really can't help themselves when it comes to embargoes can they. Personally I think polling info should have the same rules as share trading.
Well I have watched today's events and comments with much mirth. Did you smell that? It's the pong of UKIP bs coming down wind now the barn doors have been opened and the truth is out.
Get used to it. Today is but a foretaste of what will happen on May 7th/8th. Masses of UKIP hype and bugger all seats. Well maybe at best a handful. Like the Greens they are a protest party of malcontents, misfits and mavericks.
And as today's posts from the pb-kippers have shown, they are also very sore losers. A bad sport blames the equipment …
Back to the reality: Labour vs Conservative for the centre ground of British politics where all General Elections are won or lost. We don't like extremists of left or right in this country, thank you very much. Byeeeeee.
Get used to what? UKIP winning three times as many votes as the Conservatives?
Oh Sean, don't be so mean as to use facts with audryanne. You know it only upsets her. Let her stay in her own little world where everyone loves the Tories and normal people don't impinge on her consciousness.
Richard she always seems extremely confident in her views, that nothing has really changed since 2010, I do not know if audreyanne puts money on her predictions. I honestly think it is hard to fathom at the moment. As there is currently a possibility that UKIP will be the main opposition to Labour in their safe seats. Also the main opposition to Conservatives in their safe seats. So hardly a wasted vote for many.
Well I have watched today's events and comments with much mirth. Did you smell that? It's the pong of UKIP bs coming down wind now the barn doors have been opened and the truth is out.
Get used to it. Today is but a foretaste of what will happen on May 7th/8th. Masses of UKIP hype and bugger all seats. Well maybe at best a handful. Like the Greens they are a protest party of malcontents, misfits and mavericks.
And as today's posts from the pb-kippers have shown, they are also very sore losers. A bad sport blames the equipment …
Back to the reality: Labour vs Conservative for the centre ground of British politics where all General Elections are won or lost. We don't like extremists of left or right in this country, thank you very much. Byeeeeee.
Get used to what? UKIP winning three times as many votes as the Conservatives?
Oh Sean, don't be so mean as to use facts with audryanne. You know it only upsets her. Let her stay in her own little world where everyone loves the Tories and normal people don't impinge on her consciousness.
It's come to something when a "Conservative" takes solace from the fact that Labour won, when her own party finished miles behind.
They're going to have problems finding another Chairperson.
I would suggest the Archbishop of York. He studied law, worked as a High Court Advocate, and Chaired the Damilola Taylor review. I think he would be trusted by the victim's families, and would be impartial and pursue the truth wherever it lead. Which is why he will probably never be asked.
Can't see that suggestion working. The Church and historical child abuse.
Not that Church at that level. Might well be a runner. However, comment from BBC website. NOT my view "Of course it is doomed to fail, it has been planned that way because too many high-profile VIPs are implicated.
It may be that minors were 'supplied' to meet the possible expectations of certain arms buyers - sometimes, cash bribes are not enough - if this is the case, it is understandable that the establishment would want to kick this into the long grass."
UKIP most likely ahead of Labour in the Rother Valley ward for the PCC election - what should be an absolute fortress for Labour, UKIP going even further ahead in Rochester and Strood.
So 33% of 2010 Labour voters would vote for a 2010 Tory standing for UKIP?
Fare game since he is no longer a Tory, for all the anti-UKIP myth people forget the anti-Tory fact. There are many people who refuse to vote for a decent person, simply because he is a Tory.
Labour 12% down, in a seat they held from 1997-2010. Down in Clacton, down in Newark, up by 1% in Heywood & Middleton, down 2% in South Yorkshire, despite the absence of a Lib Dem. Down, a long way, in Scotland. There's a pattern emerging.
Well I have watched today's events and comments with much mirth. Did you smell that? It's the pong of UKIP bs coming down wind now the barn doors have been opened and the truth is out.
Get used to it. Today is but a foretaste of what will happen on May 7th/8th. Masses of UKIP hype and bugger all seats. Well maybe at best a handful. Like the Greens they are a protest party of malcontents, misfits and mavericks.
And as today's posts from the pb-kippers have shown, they are also very sore losers. A bad sport blames the equipment …
Back to the reality: Labour vs Conservative for the centre ground of British politics where all General Elections are won or lost. We don't like extremists of left or right in this country, thank you very much. Byeeeeee.
Get used to what? UKIP winning three times as many votes as the Conservatives?
Oh Sean, don't be so mean as to use facts with audryanne. You know it only upsets her. Let her stay in her own little world where everyone loves the Tories and normal people don't impinge on her consciousness.
Richard she always seems extremely confident in her views, that nothing has really changed since 2010, I do not know if audreyanne puts money on her predictions. I honestly think it is hard to fathom at the moment. As there is currently a possibility that UKIP will be the main opposition to Labour in their safe seats. Also the main opposition to Conservatives in their safe seats. So hardly a wasted vote for many.
The 'wasted vote' argument was used for decades against the Liberals/Alliance/LibDems when they were coming second over much of Great Britain. It's a good argument too under FPTP, isn't it?
The South Yorkshire result was a win for decency - seriously? And the child abuse will stop? And child abusers will no longer be under the protection of labour politicians? And the little girl last seen being dragged out of a hospital never to be heard of again by a gang of men whose faces were on the security cameras, will the police will now investigate her likely murder? A vote for labour was a vote for the whole evil to continue. Not voting at all was a vote for the evil to continue.
The people I know that vote Labour or Liberal do so out of their selfish interest for big state government. They have well paid public sector jobs not doing much, and thats what they vote for. But even they would not say the South Yorkshire result was a win for decency.
The places where the child abuse is said to have happened was where Labour did worst
The place where the Lib Dems and Labour get 80%+in GE 2010 was where Labour did best
The LDs didn't stand
Draw your own conclusions
I think here the comparative underperformance of UKIP can be explained by the candidates as much as anything else. Labour had a good candidate, and I suspect a lot of those who did vote were thinking in terms of who they'd most like to have oversight of S. Yorks Police. What alarms me as a Labour sympathiser is the complacent notion that they've seen off the threat from UKIP. Far from it.
Lets assume 18% turnout in Hallam ward (Its affluent so you'd expect higher turnout even in the PCC election - over 70% turnout in GE, and Clegg being on 38% in Hallam (Which seems a fair guess)
27,324 votes for Clegg on 53.4% of the vote on 73.7% turnout gives a 69324 electorate.
So 18% turnout and 38%
That is 4700 Lib Dem votes or thereabouts Lets be generous and add 2000 from elsewhere (THey are going to lose alot of deposits in South Yorks)
That takes us to ~ 7000 votes, which is a lost deposit on ~ 150k votes and also introduces a 2nd round in the voting.
But UKIP still don't win, as those Lib Dem votes break disproportionately Labour 2nd pref (As can be seen by first preferences)
They're going to have problems finding another Chairperson.
I would suggest the Archbishop of York. He studied law, worked as a High Court Advocate, and Chaired the Damilola Taylor review. I think he would be trusted by the victim's families, and would be impartial and pursue the truth wherever it lead. Which is why he will probably never be asked.
Can't see that suggestion working. The Church and historical child abuse.
Not that Church at that level. Might well be a runner. However, comment from BBC website. NOT my view "Of course it is doomed to fail, it has been planned that way because too many high-profile VIPs are implicated.
It may be that minors were 'supplied' to meet the possible expectations of certain arms buyers - sometimes, cash bribes are not enough - if this is the case, it is understandable that the establishment would want to kick this into the long grass."
Church of England are already running an investigation into deviants, and the former Archbishop of York has resigned today.
"PAW" says ''And the child abuse will stop? And child abusers will no longer be under the protection of labour politicians? ''
UKIPs crude attempt to make this a referendum on the child abuse scandal failed. Get used to it. This in itself was just a proxy for their usual anti black anti Asian anti Pakistani anti immigrant anti foreigner rants which they hope to will attract a dispirate group who otherwise hold irreconsilable political views - from posh stockbrokers in Surrey to Greggs assistants in Doncaster.
This election was about the individuals and Labour's candidate had if anything less lingage than UKIPs. It seeks strange that kippers were willing to put their faith in a time serving ex South Yorkshire policeman whose force so singularly failed to identify the problem until it was too late. This is before you get on to Hillsborough. He is a former lib-dem even, who frankly looks more of an opportunist than anything.
They're going to have problems finding another Chairperson.
I would suggest the Archbishop of York. He studied law, worked as a High Court Advocate, and Chaired the Damilola Taylor review. I think he would be trusted by the victim's families, and would be impartial and pursue the truth wherever it lead. Which is why he will probably never be asked.
Can't see that suggestion working. The Church and historical child abuse.
Not that Church at that level. Might well be a runner. However, comment from BBC website. NOT my view "Of course it is doomed to fail, it has been planned that way because too many high-profile VIPs are implicated.
It may be that minors were 'supplied' to meet the possible expectations of certain arms buyers - sometimes, cash bribes are not enough - if this is the case, it is understandable that the establishment would want to kick this into the long grass."
Church of England are already running an investigation into deviants, and the former Archbishop of York has resigned today.
"PAW" says ''And the child abuse will stop? And child abusers will no longer be under the protection of labour politicians? ''
UKIPs crude attempt to make this a referendum on the child abuse scandal failed. Get used to it. This in itself was just a proxy for their usual anti black anti Asian anti Pakistani anti immigrant anti foreigner rants which they hope to will attract a dispirate group who otherwise hold irreconsilable political views - from posh stockbrokers in Surrey to Greggs assistants in Doncaster.
This election was about the individuals and Labour's candidate had if anything less lingage than UKIPs. It seeks strange that kippers were willing to put their faith in a time serving ex South Yorkshire policeman whose force so singularly failed to identify the problem until it was too late. This is before you get on to Hillsborough. He is a former lib-dem even, who frankly looks more of an opportunist than anything.
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Or it's a bait.
Now my example is no more 'the norm' than yours but the idea that one can only succeed in coming from poverty to success through taking money from the state is patently false.
If the LD had 19 voters left for first preferences, it would be enough, or 8% left for second preferences.
Tuppence? - you can't feed the birds for that...!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sentamu
58% of Scots would support another referendum within FIVE years regardless of circumstances
66% would be happy with a another referendum within TEN
However 'only' 55% think an "out" vote in the EU referndum should be a trigger
Meanwhile the SNP could be needing a bus.
"So there's lots of Lib Dems? I thought people said they didn't stand because they would lose their deposit"
in response to my
"The lesson is that the Lib Dem vote in Sheffield won it for them"
The people I know that vote Labour or Liberal do so out of their selfish interest for big state government. They have well paid public sector jobs not doing much, and thats what they vote for. But even they would not say the South Yorkshire result was a win for decency.
Get used to it. Today is but a foretaste of what will happen on May 7th/8th. Masses of UKIP hype and bugger all seats. Well maybe at best a handful. Like the Greens they are a protest party of malcontents, misfits and mavericks.
And as today's posts from the pb-kippers have shown, they are also very sore losers. A bad sport blames the equipment …
Back to the reality: Labour vs Conservative for the centre ground of British politics where all General Elections are won or lost. We don't like extremists of left or right in this country, thank you very much. Byeeeeee.
It's not my argument because I wasn't making a point, just asking a question. I don't know whether you or Speedy is right, or you could both be wrong.
The FBU do not seem to get much publicity in the media, even with a four day planned strike.
The contrast with the last major strike over 10 years ago , seems stark.
Incisive analysis. What's the betting clue?
No seats? 1-2? 3-4? 5+?
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/latest-poll-reveals-ukip-increasing-26247/
Embargo breakers..
The place where the Lib Dems and Labour get 80%+in GE 2010 was where Labour did best
The LDs didn't stand
Draw your own conclusions
Lets assume 18% turnout in Hallam ward (Its affluent so you'd expect higher turnout even in the PCC election - over 70% turnout in GE, and Clegg being on 38% in Hallam (Which seems a fair guess)
27,324 votes for Clegg on 53.4% of the vote on 73.7% turnout gives a 69324 electorate.
So 18% turnout and 38%
That is 4700 Lib Dem votes or thereabouts Lets be generous and add 2000 from elsewhere (THey are going to lose alot of deposits in South Yorks)
That takes us to ~ 7000 votes, which is a lost deposit on ~ 150k votes and also introduces a 2nd round in the voting.
But UKIP still don't win, as those Lib Dem votes break disproportionately Labour 2nd pref (As can be seen by first preferences)
Ed's given 2p to someone and UKIP have shown their skills at expectations management.
And there's a Rochester poll coming which will either cheer them up or me....
>New poll shows NHS is the top priority in Rochester & Strood
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/new-poll-shows-nhs-is-the-top-priority-in-rochester--strood/
I honestly think it is hard to fathom at the moment.
As there is currently a possibility that UKIP will be the main opposition to Labour in their safe seats.
Also the main opposition to Conservatives in their safe seats.
So hardly a wasted vote for many.
However, comment from BBC website.
NOT my view
"Of course it is doomed to fail, it has been planned that way because too many high-profile VIPs are implicated.
It may be that minors were 'supplied' to meet the possible expectations of certain arms buyers - sometimes, cash bribes are not enough - if this is the case, it is understandable that the establishment would want to kick this into the long grass."
Only one party on the up at the moment boys.
There are many people who refuse to vote for a decent person, simply because he is a Tory.
Three polls together in order (Survation, Comres, Survation)
UKIP 40, 43, 48
Con 30, 31, 33
Lab 25.21.16
LD 3,2,1
UKIP Lead 9, 13, 15
The Tories throwing the kitchen sink at it has shifted their share by 3% and now there are rumours they are giving up
Tories on away day put away hopes of winning Rochester
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/10/tories-on-away-day-put-away-hopes-of-winning-rochester/
Or did they spend all their money on the primary?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/27/justin-welby-1950s-personnel-files-clergy-child-abuse-investigation-confessional-confidentiality
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-29838137
UKIPs crude attempt to make this a referendum on the child abuse scandal failed. Get used to it.
This in itself was just a proxy for their usual anti black anti Asian anti Pakistani anti immigrant anti foreigner rants which they hope to will attract a dispirate group who otherwise hold irreconsilable political views - from posh stockbrokers in Surrey to Greggs assistants in Doncaster.
This election was about the individuals and Labour's candidate had if anything less lingage than UKIPs. It seeks strange that kippers were willing to put their faith in a time serving ex South Yorkshire policeman whose force so singularly failed to identify the problem until it was too late. This is before you get on to Hillsborough.
He is a former lib-dem even, who frankly looks more of an opportunist than anything.
Still think John S would do a good job. Somewhat impressed by the fact that Archbishops have come from outside the hierarchy!