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  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    And his intellectual self-confidence will still make him immune.

    He's got self-esteem in spades. Not such a good vice right now.
    Scott_P said:

    @MrHarryCole: He's on the menu.

    RT @Conorpope: Ed Miliband is at the Scottish Labour Party annual dinner tonight. http://t.co/9iosyM1Bnb

  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    JWisemann said:

    I'm just saying it's hilarious how easily the PB Tories of all political parties get whipped up into an orgy of triumphant excitement, conjuring up all kinds of fantastical scenarios, when the harsh reality on the ground is that, despite a hideous combination of the worst events for Labour imaginable, the Cons are still firmly on course to lose the election.

    Why does nobody believe you're laughing?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    JWisemann said:

    I'm just saying it's hilarious how easily the PB Tories of all political parties get whipped up into an orgy of triumphant excitement, conjuring up all kinds of fantastical scenarios, when the harsh reality on the ground is that, despite a hideous combination of the worst events for Labour imaginable, the Cons are still firmly on course to lose the election.

    I'm just saying it's hilarious how easily the Lefties of all political parties get whipped up into an orgy of denial, , when the harsh reality on the ground is that, despite a hideous combination of the worst events for Labour imaginable, Ed is still leader of the Labour Party..

  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    I recall a poll before GE 2010 that had the Tories at 52% ....... as Antifrank says. this poll is incredible in the same way as the 2010 poll was...

    It's not literally unbelievable, but SLab (and, as antifrank notes, Con & LD too) will certainly hope it marks a high point.

    It's a perfect storm really - the referendum result; the departure of Salmond for a new, less divisive face - Nicola is Major to Alec's Thatcher ;-) ; and a poisonous resignation by the Scottish Labour leader. And there may well be some normal sampling error on top.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    JWisemann said:

    I'm just saying it's hilarious how easily the PB Tories of all political parties get whipped up into an orgy of triumphant excitement, conjuring up all kinds of fantastical scenarios, when the harsh reality on the ground is that, despite a hideous combination of the worst events for Labour imaginable, the Cons are still firmly on course to lose the election.

    Somebody has to win - not looking like Labour..
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    SeanT said:

    Without blowing my own trumpet, because it's just not my style, that is some pretty special reading of the runes, right there.

    If you hadn't also read them to cover every other conceivable outcome, that would indeed be impressive.

    If the thriller writing thing comes to an end you have a great future in horoscopes...
  • RobD said:

    As a PB Tory, that 10% figure depresses me.

    Look on the bright side - you only lose 1 MP :)
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Just found the regional predictor on electoral calculus, if you put in the nationals of Tories 31, Labour 31, Lib Dems 8, and these results for Scotland, you get:

    Labour 285
    Tories 267
    Nationalists 60
    Lib Dems 15
    Minor & other 23
  • Miliband is of course guest of honour at SLAB's gala dinner in Glasgow tonight.

    Let's paaarrrttteh!
  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited October 2014
    An astonishing poll. If it is remotely accurate, the only realistic outcomes at the next general election are a hung parliament and a Tory majority. The latter looks vanishingly unlikely. God help the country if there is endless bidding for the support of Ulstermen, Scottish Nationalists, and Liberal Democrats in the next Parliament. It will be a circus.

    OT. Warby J will hand down judgment tomorrow following the pre-trial review in Mitchell MP v News Group Newspapers Ltd (TLJ/14/0554) and Rowland v Mitchell MP & anr (TLJ/14/0554).
  • TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    Ed Miliband might turn out to be the leader that killed Labour. An almost perfect storm is brewing against them: from Rotherham to Scotland, from Farage to Sturgeon, from the Greens to UKIP, and at the eye of the hurricane, the little nerdy boy from Primrose Hill, imposed on Labour by the unions who started the party in the first place.

    God's sense of political irony is undimmed.

    Labour dying at the hand of the son of an immigrant - how apt.
    Labour dying at the hand of the son of a Marxist is much more apt.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    One thing this points out in betting is that if long odds are available to "cover" potential pitfalls then they should probably be taken:

    The £7 or so I've got on

    Con Most seats, Labour most votes at ~ 70-1 could come in useful to avoid a large loss.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Labour dying at the hand of the son of a Marxist is much more apt.

    Imposed by the casting vote of the Unions, even more apt
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    RT @Conorpope: Ed Miliband is at the Scottish Labour Party annual dinner tonight. http://t.co/9iosyM1Bnb

    glum faces and humble pie for pud...?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    RobD said:

    As a PB Tory, that 10% figure depresses me.

    That's what makes the poll a touch unbeliveable. Con VI has been steady at General elections at about 16% for the last 4 elections. No reason for 6 percentage points to have just vanished overnight.

    This poll smells like an outlier.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Hopefully Labour will respond to this by offering plenty more goodies for Scotland, and nothing for England, and UKIP can use that on northern doorsteps.
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801

    An astonishing poll. If it is remotely accurate, the only realistic outcomes at the next general election are a hung parliament and a Tory majority. The latter looks vanishingly unlikely. God help the country if there there is endless bidding for the support of Ulstermen, Scottish Nationalists, and Liberal Democrats in the next Parliament. It will be a circus.

    OT. Warby J will hand down judgment tomorrow following the pre-trial review in Mitchell MP v News Group Newspapers Ltd (TLJ/14/0554) and Rowland v Mitchell MP & anr (TLJ/14/0554).

    There will be a clear Conservative majority in England. The logical outcome being...
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    UKIP 2% !!!!

    Either the poll is wrong, or the Scots are!

    No - UKIP do very bad in Scotland - which has its own Nationalist Party. However note that this means that UKIP voting is more concentrated i.e. bad polling in London/ Scotland = improved polling in the rest of the country.

    (Looking at polling reports it suggests that Labour only do well in London and parts of the North of England.)

    Tonight should be very interesting - no matter what happens I doubt that Labour will be able to spin the results as good news.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Alistair said:

    RobD said:

    As a PB Tory, that 10% figure depresses me.

    That's what makes the poll a touch unbeliveable. Con VI has been steady at General elections at about 16% for the last 4 elections. No reason for 6 percentage points to have just vanished overnight.

    This poll smells like an outlier.
    An outlier from the true position of SNP 40ish, Lab 30ish I think...
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    To be honest this "Alistair" fellow comes out the best in SeanT's post.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    To paraphrase Winston...

    "Tomorrow you'll still be Ed Miliband."

    JWisemann said:

    I'm just saying it's hilarious how easily the PB Tories of all political parties get whipped up into an orgy of triumphant excitement, conjuring up all kinds of fantastical scenarios, when the harsh reality on the ground is that, despite a hideous combination of the worst events for Labour imaginable, the Cons are still firmly on course to lose the election.

    I'm just saying it's hilarious how easily the Lefties of all political parties get whipped up into an orgy of denial, , when the harsh reality on the ground is that, despite a hideous combination of the worst events for Labour imaginable, Ed is still leader of the Labour Party..

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Oh the Pointless thing was a wind up.. shame!
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    An astonishing poll. If it is remotely accurate, the only realistic outcomes at the next general election are a hung parliament and a Tory majority. The latter looks vanishingly unlikely. God help the country if there is endless bidding for the support of Ulstermen, Scottish Nationalists, and Liberal Democrats in the next Parliament. It will be a circus.

    OT. Warby J will hand down judgment tomorrow following the pre-trial review in Mitchell MP v News Group Newspapers Ltd (TLJ/14/0554) and Rowland v Mitchell MP & anr (TLJ/14/0554).

    Lay Labour Majority is certainly the mainstream bet of the day. I would contend that 5.5-6.0 on Tory Majority is actually a fair price.

    A block of 40 SNP MPs (and cf. 25 Lib Dems) would drastically change the post-election calculus. Would either Tories or Labour be prepared to go into formal coalition with them if necessary?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited October 2014
    SeanT said:


    Just to underline what I said there, three days BEFORE the referendum:

    1. I predicted NO would win, I was within two points of the actual scores
    2. I predicted that, after the indyref loss, the Scots would give him a "very big vote as a consolation prize" in 2015. Heh.
    3. I predicted that he would retire (admittedly after the GE, but I was only 8 months out)
    4. I predicted that he would get devomax anyway, despite losing
    5. I predicted the SNP would become the biggest Scottish party in Holyrood and Westminster, as now looks very very likely


    Without blowing my own trumpet, because it's just not my style, that is some pretty special reading of the runes, right there.

    Not bad for a nerdy, little boy from Primrose Hill (borders)!

    :)
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Labour. Lol. EdM must go.

    Nooooooo!!


    DUEMA

  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I also note from looking at the topline that Scotland still has an absurdly high "Certain to Vote" figure which is well, well out from the norm.

    Maybe this time it really, really, really is different.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Bizarrely, the movement on betfair has been for NOM to shorten [obviously] but Tory Maj to go out, leaving Lab Maj more-or-less unchanged. This can't last.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Wowzers.

    That's approaching the level of victory that the IPP used to achieve before Irish Independence.
  • Moses_ said:

    Labour. Lol. EdM must go.

    Nooooooo!!


    DUEMA

    Ed is good, Ed is great!
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Indeed. The irony is epic.
    Scott_P said:

    Labour dying at the hand of the son of a Marxist is much more apt.

    Imposed by the casting vote of the Unions, even more apt
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    SeanT said:

    Ed Miliband might turn out to be the leader that killed Labour. An almost perfect storm is brewing against them: from Rotherham to Scotland, from Farage to Sturgeon, from the Greens to UKIP, and at the eye of the hurricane, the little nerdy boy from Primrose Hill, imposed on Labour by the unions who started the party in the first place.

    God's sense of political irony is undimmed.

    Nah. If Labour loses the election, they'll recover under someone else as UKIP'll turn their attention to the Tories.

    If you said "Ed Miliband might turn out to be the leader that kills Labour", you might very well be right, should he become PM. They have virtually no core support left and are hoping to stumble into office on an oppositionist tide; one which would then leave them marooned.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893

    Bizarrely, the movement on betfair has been for NOM to shorten [obviously] but Tory Maj to go out, leaving Lab Maj more-or-less unchanged. This can't last.


    Conservative majority last matched at 5/1
  • Rexel56Rexel56 Posts: 807
    isam said:

    Oh the Pointless thing was a wind up.. shame!

    Indeed, the reference to the start of April was meant to filter out all but the most gullible....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    True!
    Plato said:

    Imagine being a Lib Dem... nationally.

    RobD said:

    As a PB Tory, that 10% figure depresses me.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    Bizarrely, the movement on betfair has been for NOM to shorten [obviously] but Tory Maj to go out, leaving Lab Maj more-or-less unchanged. This can't last.

    Quite agree - I've just laid laid Labour for a £100/£245 anyway.

    Though of course Scotland offers no increase in a chance of a Conservative Majority.

    But it does reduce the chance of a Labour one.

    I can't see them going to 4 seats but surely they will lose... some.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    Without blowing my own trumpet, because it's just not my style, that is some pretty special reading of the runes, right there.

    If you hadn't also read them to cover every other conceivable outcome, that would indeed be impressive.

    If the thriller writing thing comes to an end you have a great future in horoscopes...
    suck it up, baby. I NAILED that prediction. i f*cking KILLED it.

    I defy anyone to produce something that they said pre-indyref, that contains such uncanny clairvoyant accuracy, making five spookily accurate predictions, in one single comment.

    BOW DOWN BEFORE THE ORACLE OF KNOX.

    *LITERALLY EXPLODES WITH HUBRIS*

    Dear Mr SeanTee

    My mother is afflicted and we do not have running fresh water. Please can you supply next Saturdays lottery results ..... Today

    Let me know bank details yes? And signature is good also?

    Thank you

    PS promise to by one of your books when it gets to the bargain bin


    Not happen here is Africa for long time

  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    Of course if it's so 'astonishing' and 'incredible', let's face it, it probably is an outlier.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Bizarrely, the movement on betfair has been for NOM to shorten [obviously] but Tory Maj to go out, leaving Lab Maj more-or-less unchanged. This can't last.

    The Baxter calc is keeping the Lab maj price high.

    NOM is got to be approaching nailed on status.
  • ItajaiItajai Posts: 721
    SeanT said:

    Ed Miliband might turn out to be the leader that killed Labour. An almost perfect storm is brewing against them: from Rotherham to Scotland, from Farage to Sturgeon, from the Greens to UKIP, and at the eye of the hurricane, the little nerdy boy from Primrose Hill, imposed on Labour by the unions who started the party in the first place.

    God's sense of political irony is undimmed.


    He might get his place in history after all.

    If/when it all goes tits up there will be a mad scramble of accusations floating around the Labour party. The I-told-you-so brigade. I expect Balls will play the role of the false Brutus. False as there is nothing noble about him.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Rexel56 said:

    isam said:

    Oh the Pointless thing was a wind up.. shame!

    Indeed, the reference to the start of April was meant to filter out all but the most gullible....
    Good job I posted it with the comment "Not sure if this is a wind up, but..." then
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 7s7 seconds ago
    GE2005 result England
    VOTES: CON 35.7%, LAB 35.5%
    MPs: CON 194, LAB 286
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GeneralBoles: Now with added Lib Dems (h/t @robertoroblesf) http://t.co/NqTiWcMlDv
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    Of course if it's so 'astonishing' and 'incredible', let's face it, it probably is an outlier.

    It is and it isn't - I was analaysing the Scottish subsamples and the SNP is on 40ish.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Labour (last 10 Yougovs) 26.1 ------SNP 41.3
    Labour (last 6 populus) 24.8 -------SNP 38.2
    Labour (last 6 Ashcrofts) 27.5 ------SNP 46.2
  • ItajaiItajai Posts: 721

    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    Ed Miliband might turn out to be the leader that killed Labour. An almost perfect storm is brewing against them: from Rotherham to Scotland, from Farage to Sturgeon, from the Greens to UKIP, and at the eye of the hurricane, the little nerdy boy from Primrose Hill, imposed on Labour by the unions who started the party in the first place.

    God's sense of political irony is undimmed.

    Labour dying at the hand of the son of an immigrant - how apt.
    Labour dying at the hand of the son of a Marxist is much more apt.

    Marxists have killed many.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    SeanT said:

    *LITERALLY EXPLODES WITH HUBRIS*

    Why am I reminded of this...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_Impressionists
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Scott_P said:
    LDs winning Exeter? Probably not!
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited October 2014
    TGOHF said:

    So what have PC done wrong ? The only nationalist party doing crap.

    UKIP do quite well in Wales.

    I believe Plaid are further left of Labour. More like the Greens than the SNP. So they limit themselves. (That said, I don't live in Wales.)

    http://blogs.cardiff.ac.uk/electionsinwales/wp-content/uploads/sites/100/2013/07/Wales10.pdf
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    Alistair said:

    I also note from looking at the topline that Scotland still has an absurdly high "Certain to Vote" figure which is well, well out from the norm.

    Maybe this time it really, really, really is different.

    After the indyref turnout and the rise in voter registration, indeed so.

  • ItajaiItajai Posts: 721
    dr_spyn said:

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 7s7 seconds ago
    GE2005 result England
    VOTES: CON 35.7%, LAB 35.5%
    MPs: CON 194, LAB 286

    But you know these were on old boundaries!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Don't forget the SNP is at 80,000 members - that is the equivalent of a million UK wide, and is more than the

    UKIP, LD, Lab, Con put together and doubled.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    FTP:
    "As for the poll, they've successfully got us all talking about it! I suspect a Scottish poll, showing the SNP on 98% of the seats or something."

    How's that for soothsaying? Eat your heart out, SeanT.

    Like Tissueprice I'd think it's a perfect storm effect - even our most enthusiastic supporters would concede it's been a sub-optimal couple of months in Scotland.

    Thanks to Moses for the friendly note below. Yes, I know Burnham personally and absolutely trust him to be reliably keener on helping the NHS than diverting money to local authorities (which was the concern that I was replying to).
  • ItajaiItajai Posts: 721
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    LDs winning Exeter? Probably not!
    Having been to Exeter I was always surprised how quickly it has become a safeish Labour seat. The stoodents are not your radical set, in fact, anything but. The town itself has no large industry or big union tradition. Haven't been for many years but I cannot believe it has been pauperised either.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Pulpstar said:

    Don't forget the SNP is at 80,000 members - that is the equivalent of a million UK wide, and is more than the

    UKIP, LD, Lab, Con put together and doubled.

    How many of those would have been voting SNP anyway?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    An astonishing poll. If it is remotely accurate, the only realistic outcomes at the next general election are a hung parliament and a Tory majority. The latter looks vanishingly unlikely. God help the country if there is endless bidding for the support of Ulstermen, Scottish Nationalists, and Liberal Democrats in the next Parliament. It will be a circus.

    OT. Warby J will hand down judgment tomorrow following the pre-trial review in Mitchell MP v News Group Newspapers Ltd (TLJ/14/0554) and Rowland v Mitchell MP & anr (TLJ/14/0554).

    Lay Labour Majority is certainly the mainstream bet of the day. I would contend that 5.5-6.0 on Tory Majority is actually a fair price.

    A block of 40 SNP MPs (and cf. 25 Lib Dems) would drastically change the post-election calculus. Would either Tories or Labour be prepared to go into formal coalition with them if necessary?
    Doesn't the SNP have a constitutional bar on teaming up with the Conservatives?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    SeanT said:

    I'm now altering the wikipedia page on Famous Prophets, to make sure the large section on me is properly sourced and referenced.

    properly sourced and referenced...

    ...and yet not in any way accurate.
  • What's driving this SNP surge? Is it the fact that Labour is trying to break the promises it made to secure a No win over the SNP?

    A Con-SNP coalition would be a hoot.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited October 2014
    SeanT said:

    I'm now altering the wikipedia page on Famous Prophets, to make sure the large section on me is properly sourced and referenced.

    Have you been imbibing the Colombian Chop?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    SeanT said:

    I'm now altering the wikipedia page on Famous Prophets, to make sure the large section on me is properly sourced and referenced.

    The Pythoness at Delphi had some good ideas, BTW. You could sit on a kitchen stool above a drain grille in Camden, for added effect, though it's up to you if you want to do something about your gender ...

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    antifrank said:

    An astonishing poll. If it is remotely accurate, the only realistic outcomes at the next general election are a hung parliament and a Tory majority. The latter looks vanishingly unlikely. God help the country if there is endless bidding for the support of Ulstermen, Scottish Nationalists, and Liberal Democrats in the next Parliament. It will be a circus.

    OT. Warby J will hand down judgment tomorrow following the pre-trial review in Mitchell MP v News Group Newspapers Ltd (TLJ/14/0554) and Rowland v Mitchell MP & anr (TLJ/14/0554).

    Lay Labour Majority is certainly the mainstream bet of the day. I would contend that 5.5-6.0 on Tory Majority is actually a fair price.

    A block of 40 SNP MPs (and cf. 25 Lib Dems) would drastically change the post-election calculus. Would either Tories or Labour be prepared to go into formal coalition with them if necessary?
    Doesn't the SNP have a constitutional bar on teaming up with the Conservatives?
    They won't.

    Labour has taken the same drubbing the Lib Dems have from being "red" and "yellow" tories as a result of the Indy Ref.

    I can see the SNP supporting C&S for either Labour or Tory though in return for Scottish goodies. Which would be a massive headache for either Mr Miliband or Dave.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    There is an interesting question lurking under this baxtered result

    If the SNP had 54 MPs at Westminster, including a certain A Salmond, who would hold the balance of power within the SNP?
  • JPJ2JPJ2 Posts: 380
    After this poll surely it has to be Murphy for SLAB, and surely Salmond cannot resist running for Westminster-he seemed still very animated at FM questions today.

    Still available bet at Ladbrokes at evens that Salmond will be elected to Westminster in 2015 GE- I got on at the maximum £50 they would let me have at 2/1 yesterday. They let me have another £50 at evens a short time ago.

    Murphy is Scottish Labour's last best hope-tragic though that is!

    I don't doubt the SNP support will fall back, but as said earlier this potentially puts the SNP in a pre-independence Ireland situation with a very high likelihood of holding the balance of power.

    What pitiful excuses will the BBC etc use to deny the SNP some role in the UK leader debates?
    It is now win/win in spades for the SNP on the issue-let them in, great publicity but exclude them-utter prejudice!
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366

    The way things are going, by the time we get to the GE leaders debates, there will only be the Conservatives, Ukip and the SNP eligible.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    edited October 2014
    Scott_P said:

    There is an interesting question lurking under this baxtered result

    If the SNP had 54 MPs at Westminster, including a certain A Salmond, who would hold the balance of power within the SNP?

    Salmond is to the SNP as Putin is to Russia I think (And I don't man that in a derogatory fashion)

    So I'd say Salmond if this result came about.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited October 2014
    Last 4 Labour Scottish subsamples in order taken by ComRes

    33, 29, 27, 20.
  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    edited October 2014
    At this rate its going to need a five party coalition to get a majority of three.

    I'm also reminded that Lloyd George decided that letting the Irish have independence was a good idea when he realised that the new universal franchise meant the alternative was 100 Irish mainly nationalist MPs holding the balance of power in parliament permanently.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    JPJ2 said:

    After this poll surely it has to be Murphy for SLAB

    This poll reinforces the reasons it should be, while probably simultaneously reducing the chance it will be
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Surely a Kipper-Nat coalition would be the best for popcorn consumption ?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,171
    So when Scottish Labour gets a new leader, they'll get a bounce back. But by what mechanism will the Scottish Conservatives get a bounce back from 10%?
  • felix said:

    I think the only hope now is for Miliband to head up to Glasgow to make one of his big set-pieces and forget to mention Scotland.

    LOL. Class.

    Which is not to say it couldn't happen...!


  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Tories in Scotland

    Comres (last 4) 16.8
    YouGov (last 10) 17.7
    Populus (last 6) 19.8
    Ashcroft (last 6) 11.5
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    So when Scottish Labour gets a new leader, they'll get a bounce back. But by what mechanism will the Scottish Conservatives get a bounce back from 10%?

    When the unions Labour select Neil Findlay to chase Nicola as far left as they can
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    At this rate its going to need a five party coalition to get a majority of three.

    I'm also reminded that Lloyd George decided that letting the Irish have independence was a good idea when he realised that the new universal franchise meant the alternative was 100 Irish mainly nationalist MPs holding the balance of power in parliament permanently.

    But the Scots don't want independence, they want to have their cake served up on a platter. And eat it.

    If I was Scottish I'd definitely vote SNP. And the rise of the SNP as they demand "fair" deals for Scotland can surely only help UKIP in England.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    FTP:
    "As for the poll, they've successfully got us all talking about it! I suspect a Scottish poll, showing the SNP on 98% of the seats or something."

    How's that for soothsaying? Eat your heart out, SeanT.

    Like Tissueprice I'd think it's a perfect storm effect - even our most enthusiastic supporters would concede it's been a sub-optimal couple of months in Scotland.

    Thanks to Moses for the friendly note below. Yes, I know Burnham personally and absolutely trust him to be reliably keener on helping the NHS than diverting money to local authorities (which was the concern that I was replying to).


    Your welcome Nick and duly noted.

    Please just remember though....... DUEMA

    ;-)

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Ladbrokes' constituency markets are back up, but Scottish seats are conspicuous by their absence. Shadsy must be putting his thinking cap on.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Where is Stuart Dickson and James Kelly today of all days, or is Mr Kelly still banned ?
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 758
    If this were the result it would solve the West Lothian Question quite nicely.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Even with a taxi-style wipeout for the Lib Dems in England this sort of result would increase the size of the Hung Parliament window at the next GE.

    If Labour lose 37 seats in Scotland then they would need to gain about 100 seats in England to win a majority. This would be something like Staffordshire Moorlands, which requires a swing of 7.7%. That isn't going to happen.

    Still, if it's only a Hung Parliament because of the SNP, but Labour take a majority, or even a plurality, of English seats, then it probably makes sorting out the devolution mess a bit simpler. Labour need less than a 5% swing to hold more seats than the Conservatives in England.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    antifrank said:

    Ladbrokes' constituency markets are back up, but Scottish seats are conspicuous by their absence. Shadsy must be putting his thinking cap on.

    I've sent you a private message btw.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    This poll is of course a disaster for Sturg - all downhill from here once she takes over...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,951
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    A rare case of a poll living up to its billing. Looks good for the Greens as well. Any prospect of them taking a seat or two?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    antifrank said:

    Ladbrokes' constituency markets are back up, but Scottish seats are conspicuous by their absence. Shadsy must be putting his thinking cap on.

    Ladbrokes Politics ‏@LadPolitics · 43m43 minutes ago
    @chrishanretty I currently have absolutely no idea how to re-price the Scottish seats.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Monkeys said:

    If this were the result it would solve the West Lothian Question quite nicely.

    EVEL by default - cackle...
  • dr_spyn said:

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 7s7 seconds ago
    GE2005 result England
    VOTES: CON 35.7%, LAB 35.5%
    MPs: CON 194, LAB 286

    Sunil Prasannan ‏@Sunil_P2 · 13s14 seconds ago
    @MSmithsonPB
    LibDem GE2005 votes: 22.9%
    MPs: 47

  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited October 2014
    Where's the obligatory Hodges article? For once he'd be 100% correct to portray this as "a disaster for Ed Miliband".
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited October 2014
    Anorak said:

    Where's the obligatory Hodges article? For once he'd be 100% correct to portray this as "a disaster for Ed Miliband".

    It clashes with another one of his predictions that the SNP would be toast after the referendum.

    His long-held thesis has been that Labour's support would "swing back" to the Conservatives. In actual fact, their support's been drifting to virtually every party EXCEPT the Conservatives, which means the big two are now level pegging even though the Tories are still at the dire polling levels of the Omnishambles in 2012.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    isam said:

    antifrank said:

    Ladbrokes' constituency markets are back up, but Scottish seats are conspicuous by their absence. Shadsy must be putting his thinking cap on.

    Ladbrokes Politics ‏@LadPolitics · 43m43 minutes ago
    @chrishanretty I currently have absolutely no idea how to re-price the Scottish seats.

    @Shadsy is as confused as the rest of us.

    Big overrounds and short prices on the SNP would be my advice if I was his boss at Ladbrokes.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    TGOHF said:

    This poll is of course a disaster for Sturg - all downhill from here once she takes over...

    Only if there is a 2020 UKGE.

  • ItajaiItajai Posts: 721
    edited October 2014
    antifrank said:

    An astonishing poll. If it is remotely accurate, the only realistic outcomes at the next general election are a hung parliament and a Tory majority. The latter looks vanishingly unlikely. God help the country if there is endless bidding for the support of Ulstermen, Scottish Nationalists, and Liberal Democrats in the next Parliament. It will be a circus.

    OT. Warby J will hand down judgment tomorrow following the pre-trial review in Mitchell MP v News Group Newspapers Ltd (TLJ/14/0554) and Rowland v Mitchell MP & anr (TLJ/14/0554).

    Lay Labour Majority is certainly the mainstream bet of the day. I would contend that 5.5-6.0 on Tory Majority is actually a fair price.

    A block of 40 SNP MPs (and cf. 25 Lib Dems) would drastically change the post-election calculus. Would either Tories or Labour be prepared to go into formal coalition with them if necessary?
    Doesn't the SNP have a constitutional bar on teaming up with the Conservatives?

    They happily worked with them 2007-11.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    Anorak said:

    Where's the obligatory Hodges article? For once he'd be 100% correct to portray this as "a disaster for Ed Miliband".

    Ed in the sand - quicksand?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    FALSE_FLAG said "God help the country if there there is endless bidding for the support of Ulstermen, Scottish Nationalists, and Liberal Democrats in the next Parliament. It will be a circus."

    So how about free votes in the Commons for all MPs all the time. The PM would initially be from the largest party but if (s)he couldn't hack it a free vote of MPs for PM too!
    (Just joking)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Quick question - Does this bring us to an ENP of 5 ?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    A rare case of a poll living up to its billing. Looks good for the Greens as well. Any prospect of them taking a seat or two?

    The Greens are targeting one seat in Scotland, Edinburgh East. Their candidate is the rector of Edinburgh University, and they're angling for a pact with the SNP where the SNP give them a clear run in this seat in return for the Greens stepping aside in other seats.

    This poll is probably bad news for the Greens because it will encourage the SNP to ignore such entreaties.

    Modesty forbids me from mentioning who tipped the Greens at 33/1 in this seat last week...
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Even with a taxi-style wipeout for the Lib Dems in England this sort of result would increase the size of the Hung Parliament window at the next GE.

    If Labour lose 37 seats in Scotland then they would need to gain about 100 seats in England to win a majority. This would be something like Staffordshire Moorlands, which requires a swing of 7.7%. That isn't going to happen.

    Still, if it's only a Hung Parliament because of the SNP, but Labour take a majority, or even a plurality, of English seats, then it probably makes sorting out the devolution mess a bit simpler. Labour need less than a 5% swing to hold more seats than the Conservatives in England.

    Aren't Labour offering the most anaemic version of devolution though? The offer from the Tories (and Lib Dems for what that's worth) is much more devolutionary.

    Also... "Vote Ed, Get Salmond"

    The Scottish situation is a complete disaster for Labour.

    Their links to Scotland will be poisonous in England.
  • TapestryTapestry Posts: 153
    edited October 2014
    When will you lot awaken and see what's caused Scotland to abandon Labour, The Lib Dems to tank and the Greens to surge? It's all one reason. Fracking will decide the 2015 election as I keep telling you.
    DAILY RECORD
    SNP Ministers slam UK Government plans to allow fracking in Scotland.. despite 99% of people opposing it
    Sep 25, 2014 22:38 By Dailyrecord.co.uk
    FERGUS EWING, Scottish Government energy minister says that the UK Government plans amount to riding roughshod over Scottish people's views.. and called for immediate devolution of oil and gas grilling decisions.

    As Plaid Cymru are opposing fracking, fracking could also swing Wales away from Labour. The only difference is that Welsh fracking is only just starting to get permissions, starting with Borras near Wrexham.
  • ItajaiItajai Posts: 721
    If the SNP get 50 seats (which I doubt) will they still only vote on Scotland specific items? If so, the real majority needed would be considerably less than 326. Say 650-50SNP-5SF-Speaker=594 so a majority for EWNI matters with 298 seats.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    A rare case of a poll living up to its billing. Looks good for the Greens as well. Any prospect of them taking a seat or two?

    Yes, I'd grown quite tired of polls showing no change being trailed as "incredible". This was indeed a ludicrously unbelievable monster of a poll.

    I am just unhappy that by baby filled my time yesterday and prevented me getting any speculative SNP bets on.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    Tapestry said:

    When will you lot awaken and see what's caused Scotland to abandon Labour, The Lib Dems to tank and the Greens to surge? It's all one reason. Fracking will decide the 2015 election as I keep telling you.
    DAILY RECORD
    SNP Ministers slam UK Government plans to allow fracking in Scotland.. despite 99% of people opposing it
    Sep 25, 2014 22:38 By Dailyrecord.co.uk
    FERGUS EWING, Scottish Government energy minister says that the UK Government plans amount to riding roughshod over Scottish people's views.. and called for immediate devolution of oil and gas grilling decisions.

    UKIP are very fond of Fracking, but they seem to be doing ok.
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