Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Ahem, Mr Eagles. Given Bruce co-wrote the song it's not really a cover.
OT Quick Rolling Stones question. Never been a fan, only have Paint It Black and Play With Fire as tracks- any recommendations that are similar to these? Just the titles are fine to save hunting out YTubery.
The obvious famous ones would be Gimme Shelter (somewhat heavier though) and Sympathy for the Devil, You can't always get what you want (you'll remember from House) and Wild Horses.
(These are probably heavily influenced by my lack of Stones knowledge, I'm more of a Boss fan).
Another Boss fan? Love it, that's two of us on PB!
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Cover? COVER?
My memory maybe a bit hazy, I knew he wrote it, but wasn't it first performed by The Patti Smith Group?
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.
According to wiki, he wrote and performed the original version live. Then Patti Smith got involved re-wrote a lot of the lyrics and released that version which is now the standard one, with the two of them listed as co-writers.
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Cover? COVER?
My memory maybe a bit hazy, I knew he wrote it, but wasn't it first performed by The Patti Smith Group?
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.
I think you are right - but does that make it a cover?
I believe that after Dylan heard Hendrix do All Along the Watchtower he thereafter did that version himself, rather than his own.
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Cover? COVER?
My memory maybe a bit hazy, I knew he wrote it, but wasn't it first performed by The Patti Smith Group?
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.
According to wiki, he wrote and performed the original version live. Then Patti Smith got involved re-wrote a lot of the lyrics and released that version which is now the standard one, with the two of them listed as co-writers.
I thought you were safely away for the evening.
I am, but someone tweeted me that PB was talking about music.
And as PB's Chief Musical Expert and possessor of the finest musical taste in the universe, I felt you all needed my wisdom.
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Cover? COVER?
My memory maybe a bit hazy, I knew he wrote it, but wasn't it first performed by The Patti Smith Group?
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.
Springsteen wrote the song during the Darkness sessions but never got round to finishing it properly. His engineer Jimmy Iovine talked Springsteen into giving it to Patti Smith who finished it and recorded it, hence the co-writing credit.
Other songs Springsteen gave away include the Pointer Sisters song Fire, and Dave Edmunds brilliant From Small Things Mama, Big Things One Day Come.
If I was ever on Mastermind the Works of Bruce Springsteen would be my specialist subject, sad old git that I am!
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Cover? COVER?
My memory maybe a bit hazy, I knew he wrote it, but wasn't it first performed by The Patti Smith Group?
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.
Springsteen wrote the song during the Darkness sessions but never got round to finishing it properly. His engineer Jimmy Iovine talked Springsteen into giving it to Patti Smith who finished it and recorded it, hence the co-writing credit.
Other songs Springsteen gave away include the Pointer Sisters song Fire, and Dave Edmunds brilliant From Small Things Mama, Big Things One Day Come.
If I was ever on Mastermind the Works of Bruce Springsteen would be my specialist subject, sad old git that I am!
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Cover? COVER?
My memory maybe a bit hazy, I knew he wrote it, but wasn't it first performed by The Patti Smith Group?
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.
Springsteen wrote the song during the Darkness sessions but never got round to finishing it properly. His engineer Jimmy Iovine talked Springsteen into giving it to Patti Smith who finished it and recorded it, hence the co-writing credit.
Other songs Springsteen gave away include the Pointer Sisters song Fire, and Dave Edmunds brilliant From Small Things Mama, Big Things One Day Come.
If I was ever on Mastermind the Works of Bruce Springsteen would be my specialist subject, sad old git that I am!
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Cover? COVER?
My memory maybe a bit hazy, I knew he wrote it, but wasn't it first performed by The Patti Smith Group?
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.
I think you are right - but does that make it a cover?
I believe that after Dylan heard Hendrix do All Along the Watchtower he thereafter did that version himself, rather than his own.
I rather like RSF.
It's not a cover in the traditional sense.
If you're a Right Said Fred fan, did you know, The Syrian President, Assad is a fan.
RSF found out, they weren't impressed, so re-wrote the lyrics to I'm to Sexy just for Assad,
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Cover? COVER?
My memory maybe a bit hazy, I knew he wrote it, but wasn't it first performed by The Patti Smith Group?
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.
Springsteen wrote the song during the Darkness sessions but never got round to finishing it properly. His engineer Jimmy Iovine talked Springsteen into giving it to Patti Smith who finished it and recorded it, hence the co-writing credit.
Other songs Springsteen gave away include the Pointer Sisters song Fire, and Dave Edmunds brilliant From Small Things Mama, Big Things One Day Come.
If I was ever on Mastermind the Works of Bruce Springsteen would be my specialist subject, sad old git that I am!
"One of the prime causes of UKIP's rise is the extent to which the political classes have lost touch with the values of the everyday person"
I don't believe in what you call the "values of the everyday person". It's all down to persuasion and fashion. Very few have common grievances. They are taught by those with an interest
If the movers and shakers (The Sun and Mail) stopped selling this ultra rightism that Farage is peddling we could for example be following a generous or even a hippy agenda. Any idea can be made de rigueur if promoted by trusted and engaging people.
Movements like Farage's are there because Farage is there. If Simon Cowell and The Sun decided to promote the unique value and talent of Latvians you can be sure the Clacton's of this world would take them to their hearts.
So speaketh the PR man: "it's all down to persuasion and fashion". No it's not. Good marketing gives something a start but if beneath that there's no substance then it will flounder. There is substance to what UKIP is tapping into otherwise they wouldn't have survived so long and certainly wouldn't be prospering. Of course, you don't agree because as you say, you don't believe it - or because you don't want to believe it. Well, you're free to believe what you like. Good luck.
@plmrgn: Fella from Clacton on the radio then, "I voted UKIP because I haven't seen my MP since the last election!"
Hate to break it to ya, pal...
The mind boggles - where do they find them..?
This morning on Radio 5 live, they were interviewing a couple. The woman was a past Tory voter and her partner was an ex Labour voter.
He was voting UKIP because he distrusted Cameron as Cameron would not give a referendum on Europe.
The woman was voting UKIP because she wanted the minimum wage was too low and she wanted a minimum "living wage". Er....so why are you voting UKIP ?
UKIP are currently the Schrodingers cat party; similtaneously the right wing libertarian party, and the party that will up the minimum wage and protect the NHS.
It is a long way off power so does not have to decide between these just yet.
Thanks for all the Stones recommendations - I hate Brown Sugar and Start Me Up, ditto Satisfaction and a few others. Will try out the rest.
I tried liking Brucie, but after trying several times, I deleted the whole of his GHits and felt much better :^ )
Can just about endure a couple of Bon Jovi's stuff. Funny how some very popular things just get right on my wick.
Why not try some of the unpopular things then? I posted the Linda Ronstadt version of Bruces' Across The Border, which you liked, try One Step Up or Walk Like A Man, both superb songs.
Remember Waiting on a Friend when you check out the Stones.
@plmrgn: Fella from Clacton on the radio then, "I voted UKIP because I haven't seen my MP since the last election!"
Hate to break it to ya, pal...
The mind boggles - where do they find them..?
This morning on Radio 5 live, they were interviewing a couple. The woman was a past Tory voter and her partner was an ex Labour voter.
He was voting UKIP because he distrusted Cameron as Cameron would not give a referendum on Europe.
The woman was voting UKIP because she wanted the minimum wage was too low and she wanted a minimum "living wage". Er....so why are you voting UKIP ?
Maybe because the proposal to raise the lower threshold of income tax to the level of the minimum wage would go a long way to turning the minimum wage into the living wage.
If they were to raise NI thresholds the same way (as advocated by at least one of UKIPs economics bloggers), the difference between the living wage and the minimum wage would end up being pennies at most.
Or, in short: the minimum wage is pretty much the living wage as calculated by Rowntree ... except that then we come along and take some of it away from those on it in tax and NI. Which is of questionable morality at the best of times ("Ah. You earn almost exactly the lowest possible amount to live on. We will therefore take some of kt away, even though we recognise that you can't possibly afford it").
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Cover? COVER?
My memory maybe a bit hazy, I knew he wrote it, but wasn't it first performed by The Patti Smith Group?
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.
Springsteen wrote the song during the Darkness sessions but never got round to finishing it properly. His engineer Jimmy Iovine talked Springsteen into giving it to Patti Smith who finished it and recorded it, hence the co-writing credit.
Other songs Springsteen gave away include the Pointer Sisters song Fire, and Dave Edmunds brilliant From Small Things Mama, Big Things One Day Come.
If I was ever on Mastermind the Works of Bruce Springsteen would be my specialist subject, sad old git that I am!
@plmrgn: Fella from Clacton on the radio then, "I voted UKIP because I haven't seen my MP since the last election!"
Hate to break it to ya, pal...
The mind boggles - where do they find them..?
This morning on Radio 5 live, they were interviewing a couple. The woman was a past Tory voter and her partner was an ex Labour voter.
He was voting UKIP because he distrusted Cameron as Cameron would not give a referendum on Europe.
The woman was voting UKIP because she wanted the minimum wage was too low and she wanted a minimum "living wage". Er....so why are you voting UKIP ?
UKIP are currently the Schrodingers cat party; similtaneously the right wing libertarian party, and the party that will up the minimum wage and protect the NHS.
It is a long way off power so does not have to decide between these just yet.
Please do link where UKIP have said they will increase the minimum wage (over and above any standard inflation rises) and do please explain why protecting the NHS is an issue for libertarians?
These stats are always difficult to really assess, because they include (as certain posters on here repeatedly like to use the most extreme minority example include Boris)...but more seriously include people who came as kids.
That been said, if people hear that (and they don't think around the stat) and Farage's comments, not sure it is going to do him any harm...rightly or wrongly.
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Cover? COVER?
My memory maybe a bit hazy, I knew he wrote it, but wasn't it first performed by The Patti Smith Group?
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.
Springsteen wrote the song during the Darkness sessions but never got round to finishing it properly. His engineer Jimmy Iovine talked Springsteen into giving it to Patti Smith who finished it and recorded it, hence the co-writing credit.
Other songs Springsteen gave away include the Pointer Sisters song Fire, and Dave Edmunds brilliant From Small Things Mama, Big Things One Day Come.
If I was ever on Mastermind the Works of Bruce Springsteen would be my specialist subject, sad old git that I am!
I think he has but I'm not a fan either.
Actually as you are a country fan try to get hold of the Springsteen album Nebraska, virtually all of which has been covered by country artists such as Johnny Cash and the Drive By Truckers over the years.
My favorites are Highway Patrolman and Mansion on the Hill, but take the time to check the whole album out, I promise you won't be disappointed.
I liked Linda's version of Blue Bayou [I think Roy Orbison wrote that one]. Haven't really heard much of her stuff since I was a kid. Must give her a whirl.
I do have a soft spot for covers - there are some rather good ones. Anberlin did a great version of Depeche Mode's Enjoy The Silence.
Thanks for all the Stones recommendations - I hate Brown Sugar and Start Me Up, ditto Satisfaction and a few others. Will try out the rest.
I tried liking Brucie, but after trying several times, I deleted the whole of his GHits and felt much better :^ )
Can just about endure a couple of Bon Jovi's stuff. Funny how some very popular things just get right on my wick.
Why not try some of the unpopular things then? I posted the Linda Ronstadt version of Bruces' Across The Border, which you liked, try One Step Up or Walk Like A Man, both superb songs.
Remember Waiting on a Friend when you check out the Stones.
These stats are always difficult to really assess, because they include (as certain posters on here repeatedly like to use the most extreme minority example include Boris)...but more seriously include people who came as kids.
That been said, if people hear that (and they don't think around the stat) and Farage's comments, not sure it is going to do him any harm...rightly or wrongly.
HIV is not the disease it was. The drugs are now cheap and the life expectancy is pretty similar to other chronic diseases such as diabetes. Very different to the early eighties when we used to see people dying like flies of it. I remember those days well.
HIV should be treated the same as any other disease in terms of screening for visas. It is not the EU migrants who present the risk.
I also meant to say, maybe stats when relating to immigration / migrants, we need to start to break them down more than simply "not born here". Or is that too un-PC, to actually look at the data properly?
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Cover? COVER?
My memory maybe a bit hazy, I knew he wrote it, but wasn't it first performed by The Patti Smith Group?
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.
Springsteen wrote the song during the Darkness sessions but never got round to finishing it properly. His engineer Jimmy Iovine talked Springsteen into giving it to Patti Smith who finished it and recorded it, hence the co-writing credit.
Other songs Springsteen gave away include the Pointer Sisters song Fire, and Dave Edmunds brilliant From Small Things Mama, Big Things One Day Come.
If I was ever on Mastermind the Works of Bruce Springsteen would be my specialist subject, sad old git that I am!
I think he has but I'm not a fan either.
Actually as you are a country fan try to get hold of the Springsteen album Nebraska, virtually all of which has been covered by country artists such as Johnny Cash and the Drive By Truckers over the years.
My favorites are Highway Patrolman and Mansion on the Hill, but take the time to check the whole album out, I promise you won't be disappointed.
It is an astonishingly bleak album. Like Green on Red in its bleak view of America.
I love all of it but particularly the early stuff, this version of New York City Serenade was performed in Rome last year, it's long but play it all through as it is beautiful:
@plmrgn: Fella from Clacton on the radio then, "I voted UKIP because I haven't seen my MP since the last election!"
Hate to break it to ya, pal...
The mind boggles - where do they find them..?
This morning on Radio 5 live, they were interviewing a couple. The woman was a past Tory voter and her partner was an ex Labour voter.
He was voting UKIP because he distrusted Cameron as Cameron would not give a referendum on Europe.
The woman was voting UKIP because she wanted the minimum wage was too low and she wanted a minimum "living wage". Er....so why are you voting UKIP ?
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
- Winston Churchill
There was another vox pop where one of the new UKIP supporters gave "German pacifism" as one of his reasons, presumably this genius was unaware of the German Army serving in Afghanistan.
I have to say every UKIP supporter I heard this morning confirmed my view that Cameron's assessment of the party is basically correct.
Iraq/Syria: Fajr Al Hurriya sources reckon IS have more than 50% of Kobani. Two days ago Kurdish forces reported it was 30%, yesterday 40%, today 50%.
More significantly, Peshmerga forces appear to have been caught on the hop by IS attacks to the immediate south the critical city of Kirkuk. US airpower has turned up in comparative force this evening. How heavy the nature of the IS assault is hard to say but certainly the response from the American has been noticeable.
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Cover? COVER?
My memory maybe a bit hazy, I knew he wrote it, but wasn't it first performed by The Patti Smith Group?
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.
Springsteen wrote the song during the Darkness sessions but never got round to finishing it properly. His engineer Jimmy Iovine talked Springsteen into giving it to Patti Smith who finished it and recorded it, hence the co-writing credit.
Other songs Springsteen gave away include the Pointer Sisters song Fire, and Dave Edmunds brilliant From Small Things Mama, Big Things One Day Come.
If I was ever on Mastermind the Works of Bruce Springsteen would be my specialist subject, sad old git that I am!
Prince has always had an incredible output of music and wrote for loads of people (Manic Monday being a famous one of his) alongside a legendary amount of unreleased stuff.
I tend to like a lot of Al Stewart and Mark Knopfler (both in and out of Dire Straits).
These stats are always difficult to really assess, because they include (as certain posters on here repeatedly like to use the most extreme minority example include Boris)...but more seriously include people who came as kids.
That been said, if people hear that (and they don't think around the stat) and Farage's comments, not sure it is going to do him any harm...rightly or wrongly.
HIV is not the disease it was. The drugs are now cheap and the life expectancy is pretty similar to other chronic diseases such as diabetes. Very different to the early eighties when we used to see people dying like flies of it. I remember those days well.
HIV should be treated the same as any other disease in terms of screening for visas. It is not the EU migrants who present the risk.
My brother has chronic lymphatic leukemia, which had a time span of around 15 years, desperately hoping they find something for it soon.
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Cover? COVER?
My memory maybe a bit hazy, I knew he wrote it, but wasn't it first performed by The Patti Smith Group?
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.
Springsteen wrote the song during the Darkness sessions but never got round to finishing it properly. His engineer Jimmy Iovine talked Springsteen into giving it to Patti Smith who finished it and recorded it, hence the co-writing credit.
Other songs Springsteen gave away include the Pointer Sisters song Fire, and Dave Edmunds brilliant From Small Things Mama, Big Things One Day Come.
If I was ever on Mastermind the Works of Bruce Springsteen would be my specialist subject, sad old git that I am!
I think he has but I'm not a fan either.
Actually as you are a country fan try to get hold of the Springsteen album Nebraska, virtually all of which has been covered by country artists such as Johnny Cash and the Drive By Truckers over the years.
My favorites are Highway Patrolman and Mansion on the Hill, but take the time to check the whole album out, I promise you won't be disappointed.
It is an astonishingly bleak album. Like Green on Red in its bleak view of America.
I love all of it but particularly the early stuff, this version of New York City Serenade was performed in Rome last year, it's long but play it all through as it is beautiful:
I also meant to say, maybe stats when relating to immigration / migrants, we need to start to break them down more than simply "not born here". Or is that too un-PC, to actually look at the data properly?
Go on, just say what you feel. You'll be in good company: blaming AIDS on black Africans was also a favoured rhetorical tool of John Tyndall.
I also meant to say, maybe stats when relating to immigration / migrants, we need to start to break them down more than simply "not born here". Or is that too un-PC, to actually look at the data properly?
It's not political correctness that's the problem currently it's feasibility. They only do a 1 in X survey of people entering the country and they managed to lose 500,000 immigrants as a result. How on earth do you expect them to provide accurate detailed data?
PS And there are plenty of British citizens who were 'not born here'. (IIRC Boris Johnson for one)
I also meant to say, maybe stats when relating to immigration / migrants, we need to start to break them down more than simply "not born here". Or is that too un-PC, to actually look at the data properly?
The establishment doesn't want you to do that because it would emerge pretty quickly that on aggregate, immigrants from some nations are net drains.
Since he did THAT SPEECH in favour of the Union (incidentally, one of the best clumsy-yet-brilliant political speeches I've ever seen) I've stopped hating Gordon Brown quite so much.
Tonight, as he talks about Malala and the Nobel Peace Prize (soooooo much more deserving than f*cking Obama) I find myself actually WARMING to to Gordo.
Can someone please diagnose my pathology? I clearly need help.
Is it to do with the ever increasing distance from power making them seem more amenable? Tony Benn seemed to go through a similar transition from the mid 80's onwards.
I also meant to say, maybe stats when relating to immigration / migrants, we need to start to break them down more than simply "not born here". Or is that too un-PC, to actually look at the data properly?
Go on, just say what you feel. You'll be in good company: blaming AIDS on black Africans was also a favoured rhetorical tool of John Tyndall.
What are you blathering about. I was saying that all statistical data that gets released always seems to have is broken down into born here, not born here. That is a very very blunt measure, probably actually counter-productive.
We don't know for instance about employment, educational achievement etc. It was Channel4 a few years ago, who actually got somebody to do some serious number crunching and found extreme discrepancies between different groups of people, something you wouldn't know from simple born here, yes / no e.g. Indian and Chinese immigrants and 2/3rd generation do far better than any other groups in terms of educational achievement.
With that kind of analysis, we do much better about provision, support, etc etc etc.
I don't think any regular on here would say (or find) I have ever uttered anything as crass / racist as you are trying to smear me with.
I love all of it but particularly the early stuff, this version of New York City Serenade was performed in Rome last year, it's long but play it all through as it is beautiful:
David Cameron will unveil tough plans to restrict immigration from the European Union within weeks to stop another Ukip MP being elected following Thursday night’s by-election.
Fox Yes, Thatcher did see a remarkable transformation in her EU views while some like Robin Cook went the other way. Heath probably won some Asian votes but lost others to the National Front and Powell now a Unionist
Will try those - I find her stuff a bit random and hard to tell what's a good bet to give a go to. I've a couple of Latin ones and I just don't like female singers in that genre. No idea why.
Thanks for all the Stones recommendations - I hate Brown Sugar and Start Me Up, ditto Satisfaction and a few others. Will try out the rest.
I tried liking Brucie, but after trying several times, I deleted the whole of his GHits and felt much better :^ )
Can just about endure a couple of Bon Jovi's stuff. Funny how some very popular things just get right on my wick.
Why not try some of the unpopular things then? I posted the Linda Ronstadt version of Bruces' Across The Border, which you liked, try One Step Up or Walk Like A Man, both superb songs.
Remember Waiting on a Friend when you check out the Stones.
I love all of it but particularly the early stuff, this version of New York City Serenade was performed in Rome last year, it's long but play it all through as it is beautiful:
I was wondering if someone would mention that album! I much prefer Nebraska but Tom Joad is another classic.
I have real trouble remembering which songs go with which album. I have listened to complete albums, but for a long time I only encountered them all as individual songs on youtube etc. So I remember them as singles not groups.
Since he did THAT SPEECH in favour of the Union (incidentally, one of the best clumsy-yet-brilliant political speeches I've ever seen) I've stopped hating Gordon Brown quite so much.
Tonight, as he talks about Malala and the Nobel Peace Prize (soooooo much more deserving than f*cking Obama) I find myself actually WARMING to to Gordo.
Can someone please diagnose my pathology? I clearly need help.
Is it to do with the ever increasing distance from power making them seem more amenable? Tony Benn seemed to go through a similar transition from the mid 80's onwards.
I think it's partially to do with being able to pick your spots and a much more limited exposure.
Since he did THAT SPEECH in favour of the Union (incidentally, one of the best clumsy-yet-brilliant political speeches I've ever seen) I've stopped hating Gordon Brown quite so much.
Tonight, as he talks about Malala and the Nobel Peace Prize (soooooo much more deserving than f*cking Obama) I find myself actually WARMING to to Gordo.
Can someone please diagnose my pathology? I clearly need help.
Generally we always prefer our leaders when they stop leading us (Tony Blair the exception - He has become MORE unpopular out of power, but then the crazy cult-like following he had while in power was very odd as well)
LibDem % shares in the last 18 Westminster By-elections (GB mainland):
Clacton 1.3 Heywood 5.1 Newark 2.6 Wythenshawe 4.9 South Shields 1.4 Eastleigh 32.1 Croydon North 3.5 Middlesbrough 9.9 Rotherham 2.1 Cardiff South 10.8 Corby 5.0 Manchester Central 9.4 Bradford West 4.6 Feltham 5.9 Inverclyde 2.2 Leicester South 22.5 Barnsley Central 4.2 Oldham East 31.9
Will try those - I find her stuff a bit random and hard to tell what's a good bet to give a go to. I've a couple of Latin ones and I just don't like female singers in that genre. No idea why.
Thanks for all the Stones recommendations - I hate Brown Sugar and Start Me Up, ditto Satisfaction and a few others. Will try out the rest.
I tried liking Brucie, but after trying several times, I deleted the whole of his GHits and felt much better :^ )
Can just about endure a couple of Bon Jovi's stuff. Funny how some very popular things just get right on my wick.
Why not try some of the unpopular things then? I posted the Linda Ronstadt version of Bruces' Across The Border, which you liked, try One Step Up or Walk Like A Man, both superb songs.
Remember Waiting on a Friend when you check out the Stones.
Sorry Plato, cross wires. Those two songs are Springsteen but probably a side of him you may never have heard, both are superb.
OT Quick Rolling Stones question. Never been a fan, only have Paint It Black and Play With Fire as tracks- any recommendations that are similar to these? Just the titles are fine to save hunting out YTubery.
The obvious famous ones would be Gimme Shelter (somewhat heavier though) and Sympathy for the Devil, You can't always get what you want (you'll remember from House) and Wild Horses.
Waiting On A Friend is magnificent
My fav
I prefer 70s stones.... Tumbling dice, waiting on a friend, emotional rescue, miss you etc
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
The counterfeit stones are great value... I preferred them to the real thing
LibDem % shares in the last 18 Westminster By-elections (GB mainland):
Clacton 1.3 Heywood 5.1 Newark 2.6 Wythenshawe 4.9 South Shields 1.4 Eastleigh 32.1 Croydon North 3.5 Middlesbrough 9.9 Rotherham 2.1 Cardiff South 10.8 Corby 5.0 Manchester Central 9.4 Bradford West 4.6 Feltham 5.9 Inverclyde 2.2 Leicester South 22.5 Barnsley Central 4.2 Oldham East 31.9
average 8.9%
Very interesting statistics, especially Leicester South, a seat that the Lib Dems won back in the days when their By-election machine crushed everything. How times change! Looking at today's results, they were brilliant for UKIP, with a result from nowhere in Heywood. However, I believe that Rochester will be the by-election that blows everyone's cover. The Conservatives and UKIP have promised to give it all they have got and Labour have to turn up this time. I think we will have a much better idea about the direction of politics after this contest. If UKIP win big, it may provoke more defections from the Conservatives (and even Labour). If the Conservatives hold the line, then we will be back to what they can do against the threat of Labour winning the GE by default. Labour will have to be competitive for Ed Milliband to rise above the disquiet in his own ranks. Interesting times...
SeanT Indeed, John Major now a respected elder statesman who genuinely seems to be enjoying life. Ironically if the 1997 election was now rerun, Major could well beat Blair
OT Quick Rolling Stones question. Never been a fan, only have Paint It Black and Play With Fire as tracks- any recommendations that are similar to these? Just the titles are fine to save hunting out YTubery.
The obvious famous ones would be Gimme Shelter (somewhat heavier though) and Sympathy for the Devil, You can't always get what you want (you'll remember from House) and Wild Horses.
Waiting On A Friend is magnificent
My fav
I prefer 70s stones.... Tumbling dice, waiting on a friend, emotional rescue, miss you etc
Exile on Main street...
I remember seeing the Stones at Wembley in 82. J Geils band and Black Uhuru backing. I stayed with my brother in his student flat, qnd had two nights out, a classic gig at wembley, tour t shirt and train fare for £30.
A classic blowout weekend. Sounds a bit 4 Yorkshiremen now!
Please allow me to introduce myself I'm a man of wealth and taste I've been around for a long, long year Stole many a man's soul and faith And I was 'round when Jesus Christ Had his moment of doubt and pain Made damn sure that Pilate Washed his hands and sealed his fate Pleased to meet you Hope you guess my name But what's puzzling you Is the nature of my game I stuck around St. Petersburg When I saw it was a time for a change Killed the czar and his ministers Anastasia screamed in vain I rode a tank Held a general's rank When the blitzkrieg raged And the bodies stank Pleased to meet you Hope you guess my name, oh yeah Ah, what's puzzling you Is the nature of my game, oh yeah I watched with glee While your kings and queens Fought for ten decades For the gods they made I shouted out, "Who killed the Kennedys?" When after all It was you and me Let me please introduce myself I'm a man of wealth and taste And I laid traps for troubadours Who get killed before they reached Bombay Pleased to meet you Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah But what's puzzling you Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby Pleased to meet you Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah But what's confusing you Is just the nature of my game Just as every cop is a criminal And all the sinners saints As heads is tails Just call me Lucifer Cause I'm in need of some restraint So if you meet me Have some courtesy Have some sympathy, and some taste Use all your well-learned politesse Or I'll lay your soul to waste, um yeah Pleased to meet you Hope you guessed my name, um yeah But what's puzzling you Is the nature of my game, um mean it, get down Woo, who Oh yeah, get on down Oh yeah Oh yeah! Tell me baby, what's my name Tell me honey, can ya guess my name Tell me baby, what's my name I tell you one time, you're to blame Ooo, who Ooo, who Ooo, who Ooo, who, who Ooo, who, who Ooo, who, who Ooo, who, who Oh, yeah What's me name Tell me, baby, what's my name Tell me, sweetie, what's my name Ooo, who, who Ooo, who, who Ooo, who, who Ooo, who, who Ooo, who, who Ooo, who, who Ooo, who, who Oh, yeah
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Cover? COVER?
My memory maybe a bit hazy, I knew he wrote it, but wasn't it first performed by The Patti Smith Group?
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.
Springsteen wrote the song during the Darkness sessions but never got round to finishing it properly. His engineer Jimmy Iovine talked Springsteen into giving it to Patti Smith who finished it and recorded it, hence the co-writing credit.
Other songs Springsteen gave away include the Pointer Sisters song Fire, and Dave Edmunds brilliant From Small Things Mama, Big Things One Day Come.
If I was ever on Mastermind the Works of Bruce Springsteen would be my specialist subject, sad old git that I am!
I think he has but I'm not a fan either.
Actually as you are a country fan try to get hold of the Springsteen album Nebraska, virtually all of which has been covered by country artists such as Johnny Cash and the Drive By Truckers over the years.
My favorites are Highway Patrolman and Mansion on the Hill, but take the time to check the whole album out, I promise you won't be disappointed.
Yokel Good to see US airstrikes finally starting to make a difference, more heavy weapons now needed for Kurds
Depends where. Bear in mind that its IS going towards Kirkuk rather than Iraqi Kurdish forces moving out.
Having said that, I very much doubt the US will be so passive because it is Kirkuk. Ground-air integration also good with Peshmerga and US advisors. Little such integration in Kobani. In effect there is little YPG/US direct ground-air co-ordination. My understanding, up to a couple of days ago at least, was that the Peshmerga were involved in middle manning the allied air effort on Kobani. That kind of co-ordination chain is stinking bad to the point of ridiculous.
There are Free Syrian Army units fighting in and around Kobani that could on paper act in that role if the US has a problem with the PKK military wing.
As it is, I cannot see how the YPG and FSA can rescue the situation in Kobani without major resupply and reinforcement. Neither appears easily logistically and politically possible at the moment. Estimates are that 8-9000 IS fighters are on the scene though I think this might overcook their numbers. There certainly were not that many a week or two ago so their resupply and reinforcement chain is still looking in place and operational as it stands. They have also seized some gear in captured areas of Kobani.
Mike K..Have faith..I had a prostate removal 8 years ago...life is still good.. just finished a two hour drama shoot for the BBC..go for it.And best wishes.
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Cover? COVER?
My memory maybe a bit hazy, I knew he wrote it, but wasn't it first performed by The Patti Smith Group?
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.
Springsteen wrote the song during the Darkness sessions but never got round to finishing it properly. His engineer Jimmy Iovine talked Springsteen into giving it to Patti Smith who finished it and recorded it, hence the co-writing credit.
Other songs Springsteen gave away include the Pointer Sisters song Fire, and Dave Edmunds brilliant From Small Things Mama, Big Things One Day Come.
If I was ever on Mastermind the Works of Bruce Springsteen would be my specialist subject, sad old git that I am!
I think he has but I'm not a fan either.
Actually as you are a country fan try to get hold of the Springsteen album Nebraska, virtually all of which has been covered by country artists such as Johnny Cash and the Drive By Truckers over the years.
My favorites are Highway Patrolman and Mansion on the Hill, but take the time to check the whole album out, I promise you won't be disappointed.
Not It's not 'Money' is one of the original Motown songs Bern Elliot's was a cover
I need a reminder about something else entirely. Who did the punky version of Something Else [Eddie Cochran's hit]? Was it The Sex Pistols - I've gone completely blank.
Will try those - I find her stuff a bit random and hard to tell what's a good bet to give a go to. I've a couple of Latin ones and I just don't like female singers in that genre. No idea why.
Thanks for all the Stones recommendations - I hate Brown Sugar and Start Me Up, ditto Satisfaction and a few others. Will try out the rest.
I tried liking Brucie, but after trying several times, I deleted the whole of his GHits and felt much better :^ )
Can just about endure a couple of Bon Jovi's stuff. Funny how some very popular things just get right on my wick.
Why not try some of the unpopular things then? I posted the Linda Ronstadt version of Bruces' Across The Border, which you liked, try One Step Up or Walk Like A Man, both superb songs.
Remember Waiting on a Friend when you check out the Stones.
Sorry Plato, cross wires. Those two songs are Springsteen but probably a side of him you may never have heard, both are superb.
Yokel There is a narrow route into Kobani still uncontrolled by ISIS according to reports I read, that is where supplies and weaponary should be directed
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Cover? COVER?
My memory maybe a bit hazy, I knew he wrote it, but wasn't it first performed by The Patti Smith Group?
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.
Springsteen wrote the song during the Darkness sessions but never got round to finishing it properly. His engineer Jimmy Iovine talked Springsteen into giving it to Patti Smith who finished it and recorded it, hence the co-writing credit.
Other songs Springsteen gave away include the Pointer Sisters song Fire, and Dave Edmunds brilliant From Small Things Mama, Big Things One Day Come.
If I was ever on Mastermind the Works of Bruce Springsteen would be my specialist subject, sad old git that I am!
I think he has but I'm not a fan either.
Actually as you are a country fan try to get hold of the Springsteen album Nebraska, virtually all of which has been covered by country artists such as Johnny Cash and the Drive By Truckers over the years.
My favorites are Highway Patrolman and Mansion on the Hill, but take the time to check the whole album out, I promise you won't be disappointed.
Not It's not 'Money' is one of the original Motown songs Bern Elliot's was a cover
I need a reminder about something else entirely. Who did the punky version of Something Else [Eddie Cochran's hit]? Was it The Sex Pistols - I've gone completely blank.
Will try those - I find her stuff a bit random and hard to tell what's a good bet to give a go to. I've a couple of Latin ones and I just don't like female singers in that genre. No idea why.
Thanks for all the Stones recommendations - I hate Brown Sugar and Start Me Up, ditto Satisfaction and a few others. Will try out the rest.
I tried liking Brucie, but after trying several times, I deleted the whole of his GHits and felt much better :^ )
Can just about endure a couple of Bon Jovi's stuff. Funny how some very popular things just get right on my wick.
Why not try some of the unpopular things then? I posted the Linda Ronstadt version of Bruces' Across The Border, which you liked, try One Step Up or Walk Like A Man, both superb songs.
Remember Waiting on a Friend when you check out the Stones.
Sorry Plato, cross wires. Those two songs are Springsteen but probably a side of him you may never have heard, both are superb.
It was Sid Vicious, who also did an unforgettable version of My Way. I still play it sometimes as I pogo round the front room gobbing at the grandkids!
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Cover? COVER?
My memory maybe a bit hazy, I knew he wrote it, but wasn't it first performed by The Patti Smith Group?
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.
Springsteen wrote the song during the Darkness sessions but never got round to finishing it properly. His engineer Jimmy Iovine talked Springsteen into giving it to Patti Smith who finished it and recorded it, hence the co-writing credit.
Other songs Springsteen gave away include the Pointer Sisters song Fire, and Dave Edmunds brilliant From Small Things Mama, Big Things One Day Come.
If I was ever on Mastermind the Works of Bruce Springsteen would be my specialist subject, sad old git that I am!
I think he has but I'm not a fan either.
Actually as you are a country fan try to get hold of the Springsteen album Nebraska, virtually all of which has been covered by country artists such as Johnny Cash and the Drive By Truckers over the years.
My favorites are Highway Patrolman and Mansion on the Hill, but take the time to check the whole album out, I promise you won't be disappointed.
Not It's not 'Money' is one of the original Motown songs Bern Elliot's was a cover
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@krishgm: and yes ken clarke did say david miliband when he meant ed...but in limited time it didn't seem worth dwelling on
I thought you were safely away for the evening.
I believe that after Dylan heard Hendrix do All Along the Watchtower he thereafter did that version himself, rather than his own.
I rather like RSF.
And as PB's Chief Musical Expert and possessor of the finest musical taste in the universe, I felt you all needed my wisdom.
Other songs Springsteen gave away include the Pointer Sisters song Fire, and Dave Edmunds brilliant From Small Things Mama, Big Things One Day Come.
If I was ever on Mastermind the Works of Bruce Springsteen would be my specialist subject, sad old git that I am!
If you're a Right Said Fred fan, did you know, The Syrian President, Assad is a fan.
RSF found out, they weren't impressed, so re-wrote the lyrics to I'm to Sexy just for Assad,
Contains NSFW language
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lKYPp2Kp6s
France's credit outlook cut to negative by S&P
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29578406
Someone I remember said they wanted to follow France's lead.
Who was that now?
He was voting UKIP because he distrusted Cameron as Cameron would not give a referendum on Europe.
The woman was voting UKIP because she wanted the minimum wage was too low and she wanted a minimum "living wage". Er....so why are you voting UKIP ?
I tried liking Brucie, but after trying several times, I deleted the whole of his GHits and felt much better :^ )
Can just about endure a couple of Bon Jovi's stuff. Funny how some very popular things just get right on my wick.
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
- Winston Churchill
It is a long way off power so does not have to decide between these just yet.
Remember Waiting on a Friend when you check out the Stones.
If they were to raise NI thresholds the same way (as advocated by at least one of UKIPs economics bloggers), the difference between the living wage and the minimum wage would end up being pennies at most.
Or, in short: the minimum wage is pretty much the living wage as calculated by Rowntree ... except that then we come along and take some of it away from those on it in tax and NI. Which is of questionable morality at the best of times ("Ah. You earn almost exactly the lowest possible amount to live on. We will therefore take some of kt away, even though we recognise that you can't possibly afford it").
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sandy+bruce+springsteen&client=ms-android-hms-tef-gb&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ei=mEg4VJ2GGuTP7gb-2YDYAQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=640&bih=239&dpr=3
Or "Candys room" second only to Hazel O'Conner's "Wiil you" for evoking the atmosphere of electric tension on a first date.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=candys+room&client=ms-android-hms-tef-gb&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ei=qEk4VMC6B6mM7Aaq2IGgAg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=640&bih=239
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29565766
These stats are always difficult to really assess, because they include (as certain posters on here repeatedly like to use the most extreme minority example include Boris)...but more seriously include people who came as kids.
That been said, if people hear that (and they don't think around the stat) and Farage's comments, not sure it is going to do him any harm...rightly or wrongly.
Actually as you are a country fan try to get hold of the Springsteen album Nebraska, virtually all of which has been covered by country artists such as Johnny Cash and the Drive By Truckers over the years.
My favorites are Highway Patrolman and Mansion on the Hill, but take the time to check the whole album out, I promise you won't be disappointed.
I do have a soft spot for covers - there are some rather good ones. Anberlin did a great version of Depeche Mode's Enjoy The Silence.
youtube.com/watch?v=cpD5695Kfis
Also liked this cover of Running Up That Hill by Placebo
Total votes cast over the two by-elections 61,864.
UKIP 32,129
Labour 15,540
Cons 12,205
Libs 1,940
UKIP polled more than all the other three put together. Double Labour, almost triple the Cons and sixteen times the Lib Dems.
No wonder so much garbage has been written on here and elsewhere by UKIPs opponents today
HIV should be treated the same as any other disease in terms of screening for visas. It is not the EU migrants who present the risk.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T-IZWISZ8CY
I have to say every UKIP supporter I heard this morning confirmed my view that Cameron's assessment of the party is basically correct.
Iraq/Syria: Fajr Al Hurriya sources reckon IS have more than 50% of Kobani. Two days ago Kurdish forces reported it was 30%, yesterday 40%, today 50%.
More significantly, Peshmerga forces appear to have been caught on the hop by IS attacks to the immediate south the critical city of Kirkuk. US airpower has turned up in comparative force this evening. How heavy the nature of the IS assault is hard to say but certainly the response from the American has been noticeable.
I tend to like a lot of Al Stewart and Mark Knopfler (both in and out of Dire Straits).
(Also The Roots on the hip-hop side of things).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi0kWe2ixzU
PS And there are plenty of British citizens who were 'not born here'. (IIRC Boris Johnson for one)
We don't know for instance about employment, educational achievement etc. It was Channel4 a few years ago, who actually got somebody to do some serious number crunching and found extreme discrepancies between different groups of people, something you wouldn't know from simple born here, yes / no e.g. Indian and Chinese immigrants and 2/3rd generation do far better than any other groups in terms of educational achievement.
With that kind of analysis, we do much better about provision, support, etc etc etc.
I don't think any regular on here would say (or find) I have ever uttered anything as crass / racist as you are trying to smear me with.
Heath would have won if he hadn't let in all those Ugandan Asians in 72-3.
David Cameron will unveil tough plans to restrict immigration from the European Union within weeks to stop another Ukip MP being elected following Thursday night’s by-election.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11155570/David-Cameron-to-unveil-EU-immigration-crackdown-following-Ukip-victory.html
It doesn't say what they are at all
[YAWN]
Worst week for S&P 500, Nasdaq since May 2012.
Dax tanks; Europe closes sharply lower.
And I've got to have a prostate op this coming Thursday.
They say things come in threes.
needed for Kurds
Clacton 1.3
Heywood 5.1
Newark 2.6
Wythenshawe 4.9
South Shields 1.4
Eastleigh 32.1
Croydon North 3.5
Middlesbrough 9.9
Rotherham 2.1
Cardiff South 10.8
Corby 5.0
Manchester Central 9.4
Bradford West 4.6
Feltham 5.9
Inverclyde 2.2
Leicester South 22.5
Barnsley Central 4.2
Oldham East 31.9
average 8.9%
You might like this, one of my recent favourites:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T-IZWISZ8CY
I prefer 70s stones.... Tumbling dice, waiting on a friend, emotional rescue, miss you etc
"Never say never".
I remember seeing the Stones at Wembley in 82. J Geils band and Black Uhuru backing. I stayed with my brother in his student flat, qnd had two nights out, a classic gig at wembley, tour t shirt and train fare for £30.
A classic blowout weekend. Sounds a bit 4 Yorkshiremen now!
"Sympathy For The Devil"
Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man's soul and faith
And I was 'round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game
I stuck around St. Petersburg
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the czar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain
I rode a tank
Held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
Ah, what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah
I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made
I shouted out,
"Who killed the Kennedys?"
When after all
It was you and me
Let me please introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
And I laid traps for troubadours
Who get killed before they reached Bombay
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what's confusing you
Is just the nature of my game
Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners saints
As heads is tails
Just call me Lucifer
Cause I'm in need of some restraint
So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I'll lay your soul to waste, um yeah
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, um yeah
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, um mean it, get down
Woo, who
Oh yeah, get on down
Oh yeah
Oh yeah!
Tell me baby, what's my name
Tell me honey, can ya guess my name
Tell me baby, what's my name
I tell you one time, you're to blame
Ooo, who
Ooo, who
Ooo, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Oh, yeah
What's me name
Tell me, baby, what's my name
Tell me, sweetie, what's my name
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Oh, yeah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsWR0CTWazQ
Popcorn.
Speaking of covers earlier - I've just tripped across what I think is the original version of Money -That's What I Want from 1961 by Bern Eliott
The Flying Lizards version couldn't be more different
Having said that, I very much doubt the US will be so passive because it is Kirkuk. Ground-air integration also good with Peshmerga and US advisors. Little such integration in Kobani. In effect there is little YPG/US direct ground-air co-ordination. My understanding, up to a couple of days ago at least, was that the Peshmerga were involved in middle manning the allied air effort on Kobani. That kind of co-ordination chain is stinking bad to the point of ridiculous.
There are Free Syrian Army units fighting in and around Kobani that could on paper act in that role if the US has a problem with the PKK military wing.
As it is, I cannot see how the YPG and FSA can rescue the situation in Kobani without major resupply and reinforcement. Neither appears easily logistically and politically possible at the moment. Estimates are that 8-9000 IS fighters are on the scene though I think this might overcook their numbers. There certainly were not that many a week or two ago so their resupply and reinforcement chain is still looking in place and operational as it stands. They have also seized some gear in captured areas of Kobani.
Barrett Strong was the first sing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5KU34DrrPI
Meanwhile rather amusing Graham Norton tonight with Kevin Pietersan, John Cleese and
Taylor Swift and Neil Diamond
Carpet bomb the bastards into hell and beyond....
I need a reminder about something else entirely. Who did the punky version of Something Else [Eddie Cochran's hit]? Was it The Sex Pistols - I've gone completely blank.
Lab 34.3% (-1.3)
Con 32.5% (-0.2)
UKIP 14.5% (+0.1)
LD 8.1% (+0.7)
Lab lead 1.8% (-1.0)
Baron's flirty comment is odd - preparing the ground? Building a negotiating position? Or just genuinely laid-back?