The problem with postal votes is that they are issued at the beginning of a campaign so they are returned by election day.
This means most are received and returned before the campaign is complete, which means the voters will not be influenced by the campaign. This gives a massive and in my opinion unfair advantage to the incumbent party.
When postal voting was restricted to a tiny number it wasn't much of a problem but now it is a problem.
I think they should be moved on line in the same way as you can vote for building society elections online after receiving the code through the post, with online voting only allowed between 7AM and 10PM on election day.
I don't see why we can't adopt the Australian system where postal votes can be cast up to polling day, and are not counted until later. They rarely affect the result in more than a couple of seats.
What do the 6% LD voters look like? How many DNVers are there that are going Kipper which Labour could bring home? Is having EdM in charge a fatal flaw in any such plan as he's just too metropolitan?
But only one party is in a position to do anything about it. Cameron can shift his party to the Right to meet the Ukip threat. If he shifts too far it will be electorally disastrous. But he can reach out incrementally to disaffected Ukip supporters in a range of areas – immigration, welfare, English votes, Europe, law and order, etc, and still go with the political grain of his party.
Miliband can’t. Last night wasn’t the moment he nearly lost a parliamentary seat. It was the moment he lost his entire electoral strategy. He has built his hopes of victory around taking the 29 per cent of people who voted Labour in 2010, and bolting on an additional 6 per cent of disaffected Lib Dem voters. The 35 per cent strategy.
That strategy is dead. His 35 per cent coalition is fracturing (or is at least perceived to be fracturing). And there is nothing – literally nothing – he can do about it. To beat back Farage he needs to move Right on all those issues I listed above. But he can’t. Because if he turns right on immigration or welfare or law and order, the Left of his party will turn on him and the Lib Dem refugees will abandon him.
The result in Clacton was really bad for the Conservatives. They'd been hoping to get far closer to UKIP (cf Bunnco's post yesterday), and had campaigned with some vigour. They got nowhere.
Labour tried all out in Heywood too. They both look weak.
Having spent the day thinking about it, I think Clacton was worse for the Conservatives than H&M was for Labour. Labour supporters largely sat on their hands in H&M, and Labour can reasonably hope that they will turn out in much greater numbers in 2015 - though Labour should be worried that yet again they have been unable to motivate their core vote to come out and vote for them. Erstwhile Conservative supporters defected to UKIP. They won't be coming back.I agree that Clacton was worse, but in Heywood, with the full effort of the national Labour Party machine focused on the constituency, they added 0.8% to their 2010 result. Not good.
What do the 6% LD voters look like? How many DNVers are there that are going Kipper which Labour could bring home? Is having EdM in charge a fatal flaw in any such plan as he's just too metropolitan?
That strategy is dead. His 35 per cent coalition is fracturing (or is at least perceived to be fracturing). And there is nothing – literally nothing – he can do about it. To beat back Farage he needs to move Right on all those issues I listed above. But he can’t. Because if he turns right on immigration or welfare or law and order, the Left of his party will turn on him and the Lib Dem refugees will abandon him.
The result in Clacton was really bad for the Conservatives. They'd been hoping to get far closer to UKIP (cf Bunnco's post yesterday), and had campaigned with some vigour. They got nowhere.
Labour tried all out in Heywood too. They both look weak.
Having spent the day thinking about it, I think Clacton was worse for the Conservatives than H&M was for Labour. Labour supporters largely sat on their hands in H&M, and Labour can reasonably hope that they will turn out in much greater numbers in 2015 - though Labour should be worried that yet again they have been unable to motivate their core vote to come out and vote for them. Erstwhile Conservative supporters defected to UKIP. They won't be coming back.
Save that if Labour voters think that by sitting on their hands, UKIP will take votes off Tories, the risk is that too many sit on their hands and UKIP could end up taking seats off Labour.
I agree that the result is worse for the Tories but Labour should be worried. To turn a safe seat into a marginal one this close to an election is not good for them. They appear barely to have advanced from their worst vote share of 2010.
What do the 6% LD voters look like? How many DNVers are there that are going Kipper which Labour could bring home? Is having EdM in charge a fatal flaw in any such plan as he's just too metropolitan?
But only one party is in a position to do anything about it. Cameron can shift his party to the Right to meet the Ukip threat. If he shifts too far it will be electorally disastrous. But he can reach out incrementally to disaffected Ukip supporters in a range of areas – immigration, welfare, English votes, Europe, law and order, etc, and still go with the political grain of his
That strategy is dead. His 35 per cent coalition is fracturing (or is at least perceived to be fracturing). And there is nothing – literally nothing – he can do about it. To beat back Farage he needs to move Right on all those issues I listed above. But he can’t. Because if he turns right on immigration or welfare or law and order, the Left of his party will turn on him and the Lib Dem refugees will abandon him.
The result in Clacton was really bad for the Conservatives. They'd been hoping to get far closer to UKIP (cf Bunnco's post yesterday), and had campaigned with some vigour. They got nowhere.
Labour tried all out in Heywood too. They both look weak.
Having spent the day thinking about it, I think Clacton was worse for the Conservatives than H&M was for Labour. Labour supporters largely sat on their hands in H&M, and Labour can reasonably hope that they will turn out in much greater numbers in 2015 - though Labour should be worried that yet again they have been unable to motivate their core vote to come out and vote for them. Erstwhile Conservative supporters defected to UKIP. They won't be coming back. Given Carswell's strong personal vote - he might even have won as an independent - it's tough to call - Rochester will be far more telling - if they can't hold that they are in very deeply serious trouble. But yes, it was less damaging for Labour - as with SINDY they were given a near death experience - but not death.....
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Calling UKIP fascist makes you sound stupid and ill-informed, and calling people vulgarians makes you sound silly, snobbish and socially insecure. And you have the facts of the dj case wrong.
Cameron's Long Term Economic plan, pathetic sound bite stuff from DC - don't mention the debt, don't mention the trade deficits, the artificially low interest rates.
Next he will be spouting tractor stats just like Brown.
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
Cameron's Long Term Economic plan, pathetic sound bite stuff from DC - don't mention the debt, don't mention the trade deficits, the artificially low interest rates.
Next he will be spouting tractor stats just like Brown.
His loyal followers have been doing that for ages cf avery's yellow boxes
I'm not looking at Clacton at all - it's all about Rochester for me. Mr Carswell's personal vote was very substantial, and he did a pretty decent job of departing the Tories.
Mr Reckless is another kettle of fish, and even allowing for the manner of his departure - he's more like Lobby Fodder than anything else.
What do the 6% LD voters look like? How many DNVers are there that are going Kipper which Labour could bring home? Is having EdM in charge a fatal flaw in any such plan as he's just too metropolitan?
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That strategy is dead. His 35 per cent coalition is fracturing (or is at least perceived to be fracturing). And there is nothing – literally nothing – he can do about it. To beat back Farage he needs to move Right on all those issues I listed above. But he can’t. Because if he turns right on immigration or welfare or law and order, the Left of his party will turn on him and the Lib Dem refugees will abandon him.
The result in Clacton was really bad for the Conservatives. They'd been hoping to get far closer to UKIP (cf Bunnco's post yesterday), and had campaigned with some vigour. They got nowhere.
Labour tried all out in Heywood too. They both look weak.
Having spent the day thinking about it, I think Clacton was worse for the Conservatives than H&M was for Labour. Labour supporters largely sat on their hands in H&M, and Labour can reasonably hope that they will turn out in much greater numbers in 2015 - though Labour should be worried that yet again they have been unable to motivate their core vote to come out and vote for them. Erstwhile Conservative supporters defected to UKIP. They won't be coming back.
Given Carswell's strong personal vote - he might even have won as an independent - it's tough to call - Rochester will be far more telling - if they can't hold that they are in very deeply serious trouble. But yes, it was less damaging for Labour - as with SINDY they were given a near death experience - but not death.....
While I am not a Farage fan nor a UKIP supporter it is nice to see a politician not falling into "weasel style pr wonk talk". This is what many ordinary people like about him. He speaks in terms they understand about issues they care about. More politicians should try it.
The fact you don't like it is irrelevant much like you and your metrosexual london luvvies
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Ignoring the snobbery dripping from that post, do you not see the connection? One of the prime causes of UKIP's rise is the extent to which the political classes have lost touch with the values of the everyday person, and the agenda of the one is not supported by the other.
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I'd have thought Little Jimmy Osmond was more Roger's style.......
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Ignoring the snobbery dripping from that post, do you not see the connection? One of the prime causes of UKIP's rise is the extent to which the political classes have lost touch with the values of the everyday person, and the agenda of the one is not supported by the other.
You are talking to deaf ears here. I have been saying the same thing for ages before PB even moved to Vanilla and been told I am wrong by tribalists of all colours
What, then, should we do? We should offer something better. If British identity is systematically derided and traduced, if British history is presented as a hateful chronicle of racism and exploitation, if British patriotism is seen as knuckle-headed, don’t be surprised if many English, Scottish and Welsh people grope back towards older patriotisms. But where does this leave the children of immigrants? Is it any wonder that a few cast around for a more assertive identity?
Thatcher just held Finchley in BBC Parliament 1974 election replay, also nip and tuck as to whether Liberals or SNP have most seats, interesting for next year
That sounds like something you've endured. Some friends of mine are huge fans of Cliff's Christian stuff - Xmas round their house is just painful... 5hrs of Mistletoe and Wine...
They're also tee-total just to add to the festive fun!
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I'd have thought Little Jimmy Osmond was more Roger's style.......
That sounds like something you've endured. Some friends of mine are huge fans of Cliff's Christian stuff - Xmas round their house is just painful... 5hrs of Mistletoe and Wine...
They're also tee-total just to add to the festive fun!
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
What, then, should we do? We should offer something better. If British identity is systematically derided and traduced, if British history is presented as a hateful chronicle of racism and exploitation, if British patriotism is seen as knuckle-headed, don’t be surprised if many English, Scottish and Welsh people grope back towards older patriotisms. But where does this leave the children of immigrants? Is it any wonder that a few cast around for a more assertive identity?
Daniel Hannan is a very clever man and I like him and his fight for liberalism and freedom. However he knows nothing of Jihadism and the Wahabi base it derives from.
That sounds like something you've endured. Some friends of mine are huge fans of Cliff's Christian stuff - Xmas round their house is just painful... 5hrs of Mistletoe and Wine...
They're also tee-total just to add to the festive fun!
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
As a kid we lived near Blackpool for a while. During the summer the shows took a night off each Sunday and they would have 1 night shows. So I got to see Cliff and the Shadows, the Beatles, Frank Ifield (!) and many others.
One of my favorite memories was of the Beatles, who walked off the stage leaving Paul McCartney alone to introduce a new song, who then sang what I thought at the time was a slow, dreadfully boring dirge that seemed to go on for ever.
"One of the prime causes of UKIP's rise is the extent to which the political classes have lost touch with the values of the everyday person"
I don't believe in what you call the "values of the everyday person". It's all down to persuasion and fashion. Very few have common grievances. They are taught by those with an interest
If the movers and shakers (The Sun and Mail) stopped selling this ultra rightism that Farage is peddling we could for example be following a generous or even a hippy agenda. Any idea can be made de rigueur if promoted by trusted and engaging people.
Movements like Farage's are there because Farage is there. If Simon Cowell and The Sun decided to promote the unique value and talent of Latvians you can be sure the Clacton's of this world would take them to their hearts.
"One of the prime causes of UKIP's rise is the extent to which the political classes have lost touch with the values of the everyday person"
I don't believe in what you call the "values of the everyday person". It's all down to persuasion and fashion. Very few have common grievances. They are taught by those with an interest
If the movers and shakers (The Sun and Mail) stopped selling this ultra rightism that Farage is peddling we could for example be following a generous or even a hippy agenda. Any idea can be made de rigueur if promoted by trusted and engaging people.
Movements like Farage's are there because Farage is there. If Simon Cowell and The Sun decided to promote the unique value and talent of Latvians you can be sure the Clacton's of this world would take them to their hearts.
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I'd have thought Little Jimmy Osmond was more Roger's style.......
"One of the prime causes of UKIP's rise is the extent to which the political classes have lost touch with the values of the everyday person"
I don't believe in what you call the "values of the everyday person". It's all down to persuasion and fashion. Very few have common grievances. They are taught by those with an interest
If the movers and shakers (The Sun and Mail) stopped selling this ultra rightism that Farage is peddling we could for example be following a generous or even a hippy agenda. Any idea can be made de rigueur if promoted by trusted and engaging people.
Movements like Farage's are there because Farage is there. If Simon Cowell and The Sun decided to promote the unique value and talent of Latvians you can be sure the Clacton's of this world would take them to their hearts.
And there is the attitude in a nutshell....ordinary people would believe the same as me if they weren't so thick, uncouth and uncultured. If only one of our leaders would instruct them how to think properly like I do.
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I'd have thought Little Jimmy Osmond was more Roger's style.......
During the early 70s I was entertainment secretary for my local Young Conservatives. This meant I got to go to all the discos and parties put on by other branches all over south and west London,from Godstone and Guilford to out past Heathrow.
Whenever a dj played Long Haired Lover from Liverpool we would get up a collection of the price of the single, buy the record from the dj and we would destroy it by stamping on it.
The problem with postal votes is that they are issued at the beginning of a campaign so they are returned by election day.
This means most are received and returned before the campaign is complete, which means the voters will not be influenced by the campaign. This gives a massive and in my opinion unfair advantage to the incumbent party.
When postal voting was restricted to a tiny number it wasn't much of a problem but now it is a problem.
I think they should be moved on line in the same way as you can vote for building society elections online after receiving the code through the post, with online voting only allowed between 7AM and 10PM on election day.
I don't see why we can't adopt the Australian system where postal votes can be cast up to polling day, and are not counted until later. They rarely affect the result in more than a couple of seats.
If you forget to post it you can turn up to the polling station on the day with the postal vote and have it counted.
What, then, should we do? We should offer something better. If British identity is systematically derided and traduced, if British history is presented as a hateful chronicle of racism and exploitation, if British patriotism is seen as knuckle-headed, don’t be surprised if many English, Scottish and Welsh people grope back towards older patriotisms. But where does this leave the children of immigrants? Is it any wonder that a few cast around for a more assertive identity?
Daniel Hannan is a very clever man and I like him and his fight for liberalism and freedom. However he knows nothing of Jihadism and the Wahabi base it derives from.
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I'd have thought Little Jimmy Osmond was more Roger's style.......
During the early 70s I was entertainment secretary for my local Young Conservatives. This meant I got to go to all the discos and parties put on by other branches all over south and west London,from Godstone and Guilford to out past Heathrow.
Whenever a dj played Long Haired Lover from Liverpool we would get up a collection of the price of the single, buy the record from the dj and we would destroy it by stamping on it.
Long Haired Lover From Liverpool featured on 'I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again'. They played the track for about 5 secs, then a gunshot rang out - Bill Oddie added 'too good for him'.
"One of the prime causes of UKIP's rise is the extent to which the political classes have lost touch with the values of the everyday person"
I don't believe in what you call the "values of the everyday person". It's all down to persuasion and fashion. Very few have common grievances. They are taught by those with an interest
If the movers and shakers (The Sun and Mail) stopped selling this ultra rightism that Farage is peddling we could for example be following a generous or even a hippy agenda. Any idea can be made de rigueur if promoted by trusted and engaging people.
Movements like Farage's are there because Farage is there. If Simon Cowell and The Sun decided to promote the unique value and talent of Latvians you can be sure the Clacton's of this world would take them to their hearts.
The irony is that the Mail in particular foments a particular kind of outrage only to find that those of that temperament will vote for a party which will enable a leftie government to be installed.
The most important development for UKIP today (apart from the by-elections) is that they are beginning to use the very successful Ron Paul method of campaign finance:
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I'd have thought Little Jimmy Osmond was more Roger's style.......
During the early 70s I was entertainment secretary for my local Young Conservatives. This meant I got to go to all the discos and parties put on by other branches all over south and west London,from Godstone and Guilford to out past Heathrow.
Whenever a dj played Long Haired Lover from Liverpool we would get up a collection of the price of the single, buy the record from the dj and we would destroy it by stamping on it.
Long Haired Lover From Liverpool featured on 'I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again'. They played the track for about 5 secs, then a gunshot rang out - Bill Oddie added 'too good for him'.
I remember that! ISIRTA also had the 'dirty song book' where they would take songs and censor the naughty bits. They did Tom Jones - It's not unusual to have BUZZ with anyone - Julie Andrews - I could have BUZZ all night - and Rolf Harris - Two little boys had two little BUZZ.
"One of the prime causes of UKIP's rise is the extent to which the political classes have lost touch with the values of the everyday person"
I don't believe in what you call the "values of the everyday person". It's all down to persuasion and fashion. Very few have common grievances. They are taught by those with an interest
If the movers and shakers (The Sun and Mail) stopped selling this ultra rightism that Farage is peddling we could for example be following a generous or even a hippy agenda. Any idea can be made de rigueur if promoted by trusted and engaging people.
Movements like Farage's are there because Farage is there. If Simon Cowell and The Sun decided to promote the unique value and talent of Latvians you can be sure the Clacton's of this world would take them to their hearts.
The irony is that the Mail in particular foments a particular kind of outrage only to find that those of that temperament will vote for a party which will enable a leftie government to be installed.
See this is your classic pb tory mistake.
Labour moved to the centre under blair, they haven't left
Conservatives moved to the centre under Cameron, they haven't left.
Whichever gets in we have a centrist government. Why should we give a toss whether its a millibrand or a cameron they both are not going to do anything about any of our concerns.
You want to cuddle up to the centre which is probably about 40 to 45% of voters then don't be surprised if the left and right voters go off looking elsewhere.
Breitbart have an interesting piece. The cash benefits for UKIP having an MP.
"Short Money – Annual Value = £142,685
The money is open to any political party that has either two MPs or one MP plus over 150,000 voters at the last election. Eligible parties get £14,015 for every seat won at the last election plus £27.99 for every 200 votes gained. This would give UKIP a whopping £142,685."
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I'd have thought Little Jimmy Osmond was more Roger's style.......
During the early 70s I was entertainment secretary for my local Young Conservatives. This meant I got to go to all the discos and parties put on by other branches all over south and west London,from Godstone and Guilford to out past Heathrow.
Whenever a dj played Long Haired Lover from Liverpool we would get up a collection of the price of the single, buy the record from the dj and we would destroy it by stamping on it.
Long Haired Lover From Liverpool featured on 'I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again'. They played the track for about 5 secs, then a gunshot rang out - Bill Oddie added 'too good for him'.
I remember that! ISIRTA also had the 'dirty song book' where they would take songs and censor the naughty bits. They did Tom Jones - It's not unusual to have BUZZ with anyone - Julie Andrews - I could have BUZZ all night - and Rolf Harris - Two little boys had two little BUZZ.
Love it! Did they call them dark nights then too? I remember coming across DNs [I think it was Mondays] first in the States when I'd no idea that almost every LVegas show took the same nights off together... Didn't get caught out by those again on my next trip.
That sounds like something you've endured. Some friends of mine are huge fans of Cliff's Christian stuff - Xmas round their house is just painful... 5hrs of Mistletoe and Wine...
They're also tee-total just to add to the festive fun!
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
As a kid we lived near Blackpool for a while. During the summer the shows took a night off each Sunday and they would have 1 night shows. So I got to see Cliff and the Shadows, the Beatles, Frank Ifield (!) and many others.
One of my favorite memories was of the Beatles, who walked off the stage leaving Paul McCartney alone to introduce a new song, who then sang what I thought at the time was a slow, dreadfully boring dirge that seemed to go on for ever.
"One of the prime causes of UKIP's rise is the extent to which the political classes have lost touch with the values of the everyday person"
I don't believe in what you call the "values of the everyday person". It's all down to persuasion and fashion. Very few have common grievances. They are taught by those with an interest
If the movers and shakers (The Sun and Mail) stopped selling this ultra rightism that Farage is peddling we could for example be following a generous or even a hippy agenda. Any idea can be made de rigueur if promoted by trusted and engaging people.
Movements like Farage's are there because Farage is there. If Simon Cowell and The Sun decided to promote the unique value and talent of Latvians you can be sure the Clacton's of this world would take them to their hearts.
Nope. In a cutthroat news industry, the key to success (it would seem to me) is to find the direction that people are already going and to peddle whatever marches with that.
"Deciding" on a direction unilaterally and trying to push everyone in that direction is a far more 'courageous' approach, and not one followed by most of the big players.
Find out what people want, and sell it to them. In tonne lots, accentuated to the maximum. That's the philosophy that shifts the most.
"One of the prime causes of UKIP's rise is the extent to which the political classes have lost touch with the values of the everyday person"
I don't believe in what you call the "values of the everyday person". It's all down to persuasion and fashion. Very few have common grievances. They are taught by those with an interest
If the movers and shakers (The Sun and Mail) stopped selling this ultra rightism that Farage is peddling we could for example be following a generous or even a hippy agenda. Any idea can be made de rigueur if promoted by trusted and engaging people.
Movements like Farage's are there because Farage is there. If Simon Cowell and The Sun decided to promote the unique value and talent of Latvians you can be sure the Clacton's of this world would take them to their hearts.
Perfect, absolutely perfect.
As long as elitist idiots like you have that attitude the more Ukip will continue to prosper. Labour have lost the WWC forever and the Islington elite still can't work out why.
That sounds like something you've endured. Some friends of mine are huge fans of Cliff's Christian stuff - Xmas round their house is just painful... 5hrs of Mistletoe and Wine...
They're also tee-total just to add to the festive fun!
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I'd have thought Little Jimmy Osmond was more Roger's style.......
During the early 70s I was entertainment secretary for my local Young Conservatives. This meant I got to go to all the discos and parties put on by other branches all over south and west London,from Godstone and Guilford to out past Heathrow.
Whenever a dj played Long Haired Lover from Liverpool we would get up a collection of the price of the single, buy the record from the dj and we would destroy it by stamping on it.
Long Haired Lover From Liverpool featured on 'I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again'. They played the track for about 5 secs, then a gunshot rang out - Bill Oddie added 'too good for him'.
I remember that! ISIRTA also had the 'dirty song book' where they would take songs and censor the naughty bits. They did Tom Jones - It's not unusual to have BUZZ with anyone - Julie Andrews - I could have BUZZ all night - and Rolf Harris - Two little boys had two little BUZZ.
And there is the attitude in a nutshell....ordinary people would believe the same as me if they weren't so thick, uncouth and uncultured. If only one of our leaders would instruct them how to think properly like I do.
I wonder if such sentiments were expressed in much the same way in the years after the founding of the Labour party when the ungrateful plebs who the had so recently been given the vote for started to vote Labour in large numbers and deserted the parties of their betters?
I've been saying for a while that UKIP are the UKs DUP and will do to the Tories what the DUP have done to the UUP.
This is a divorce of the C1s, C2s and "Basildon" & rural D's from the As and Bs of the tory party who have treated them with such contempt.
And a divorce of the rest of the Ds and the Es from a Labour party now run by A's and B's who thought they “had nowhere else to go”
"One of the prime causes of UKIP's rise is the extent to which the political classes have lost touch with the values of the everyday person"
I don't believe in what you call the "values of the everyday person". It's all down to persuasion and fashion. Very few have common grievances. They are taught by those with an interest
If the movers and shakers (The Sun and Mail) stopped selling this ultra rightism that Farage is peddling we could for example be following a generous or even a hippy agenda. Any idea can be made de rigueur if promoted by trusted and engaging people.
Movements like Farage's are there because Farage is there. If Simon Cowell and The Sun decided to promote the unique value and talent of Latvians you can be sure the Clacton's of this world would take them to their hearts.
Don't a large number of countries demand that those visiting on a short term basis, or even migrating permanently, must buy health insurance for a certain transitional period e.g. first 6-12 months. So if that was the case your point would be mute.
Don't think so. I've visited about 20 countries on every continent except Australasia in the last few years. I've never been asked if I have health insurance (I don't). Wouldn't mean we couldn't do it (except for EEA citizens) but it'd be unusual and presumably have a cost to the tourist trade (hassle factor and forcing healthy young people to take a policy). A serious study of the comparative costs and savings would be helpful.
I believe most countries require permanent settlers to have private cover or pay into the national system through work. Tourists , etc are expected to have travel insurance. The EHIC card is solely for emergency treatment.It's interesting to know how limited is the knowledge of some prospective and past MPs. In Spain proof of medical insurance is a requirement of the issue of residency.
In the end, the big parties should have realised that UK turnouts dropping from 77.7% in 1992 to 59.4, 61.4 & 65.4 in 2001, 2005 and 2010 respectively, after being in the high seventies or even eighties for most of the post war period, was an ominous sign.
The voters hadn't lost interest, they just didn't feel any of the parties standing represented them. And now they are back.
I never got the Osmond's fan thingy. I'd give a Most Embarrassing Track Award to them for Crazy Horses.
I can't even type those words without simultaneously laughing and cringing at the ridiculous screaming guitar-neighing. For anyone who was fortunate enough to have missed it > here it is youtube.com/watch?v=qMM3MgS4yxc
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I'd have thought Little Jimmy Osmond was more Roger's style.......
During the early 70s I was entertainment secretary for my local Young Conservatives. This meant I got to go to all the discos and parties put on by other branches all over south and west London,from Godstone and Guilford to out past Heathrow.
Whenever a dj played Long Haired Lover from Liverpool we would get up a collection of the price of the single, buy the record from the dj and we would destroy it by stamping on it.
Sue Jones @SueFJones 5m5 minutes ago Who advised @Ed_Miliband not to answer questions today? He says I'm going to listen & then walks away. That looks & is really bad.
And there is the attitude in a nutshell....ordinary people would believe the same as me if they weren't so thick, uncouth and uncultured. If only one of our leaders would instruct them how to think properly like I do.
I wonder if such sentiments were expressed in much the same way in the years after the founding of the Labour party when the ungrateful plebs who the had so recently been given the vote for started to vote Labour in large numbers and deserted the parties of their betters?
I've been saying for a while that UKIP are the UKs DUP and will do to the Tories what the DUP have done to the UUP.
This is a divorce of the C1s, C2s and "Basildon" & rural D's from the As and Bs of the tory party who have treated them with such contempt.
And a divorce of the rest of the Ds and the Es from a Labour party now run by A's and B's who thought they “had nowhere else to go”
Well frankly while I regard myself as an ordinary person I am probably categorised as b/c1
I do not think that any of the three main parties either understands or wishes to understand and better my lot. Will UKIP do either, no probably not. I am unlikely to vote for them as they have few policies I like except leave the EU and I want that for entirely different reasons to most (but not all ukip members). I have nowhere to go but I have reached the point where I won't vote rather than vote for the least worst choice because they then take that vote as "I like your policies".
I said the other night if people stopped voting against parties and only voted for parties that had policies they thought good then parties would have to start tailoring their policies to what people wanted I stand by that.
To me the ideal election in 2015 is that every single voter goes "nope not going to play, go away and come up with policies we like then ask us again"
I never got the Osmond's fan thingy. I'd give a Most Embarrassing Track Award to them for Crazy Horses.
I can't even type those words without simultaneously laughing and cringing at the ridiculous screaming guitar-neighing. For anyone who was fortunate enough to have missed it > here it is youtube.com/watch?v=qMM3MgS4yxc
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I'd have thought Little Jimmy Osmond was more Roger's style.......
During the early 70s I was entertainment secretary for my local Young Conservatives. This meant I got to go to all the discos and parties put on by other branches all over south and west London,from Godstone and Guilford to out past Heathrow.
Whenever a dj played Long Haired Lover from Liverpool we would get up a collection of the price of the single, buy the record from the dj and we would destroy it by stamping on it.
I have two older sisters. One was an Osmond's fan, the other was a Bay City Rollers fan. The 70's in my home was a nightmare.
My condolences. Did the BCR fan wear high waisted trousers and stitch on her own tartan too?
That was a craze and a half. I couldn't name a single BCR song, their drummer was called Derek IIRC and looked very odd. The girl who sat next to me at primary school had a poster of him stuck to the lid of her desk, then she traded him in for David Essex - complete with sparkly eyeshadow. Eww.
I never got the Osmond's fan thingy. I'd give a Most Embarrassing Track Award to them for Crazy Horses.
I can't even type those words without simultaneously laughing and cringing at the ridiculous screaming guitar-neighing. For anyone who was fortunate enough to have missed it > here it is youtube.com/watch?v=qMM3MgS4yxc
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I'd have thought Little Jimmy Osmond was more Roger's style.......
During the early 70s I was entertainment secretary for my local Young Conservatives. This meant I got to go to all the discos and parties put on by other branches all over south and west London,from Godstone and Guilford to out past Heathrow.
Whenever a dj played Long Haired Lover from Liverpool we would get up a collection of the price of the single, buy the record from the dj and we would destroy it by stamping on it.
I have two older sisters. One was an Osmond's fan, the other was a Bay City Rollers fan. The 70's in my home was a nightmare.
Innumerate reporter on the BBC this evening whilst getting the carry out. Said the UKIP vote had increased by nearly 60%. This sort of thing drives me mad. Why are people like this even employed?
Innumerate reporter on the BBC this evening whilst getting the carry out. Said the UKIP vote had increased by nearly 60%. This sort of thing drives me mad. Why are people like this even employed?
In the end, the big parties should have realised that UK turnouts dropping from 77.7% in 1992 to 59.4, 61.4 & 65.4 in 2001, 2005 and 2010 respectively, after being in the high seventies or even eighties for most of the post war period, was an ominous sign.
The voters hadn't lost interest, they just didn't feel any of the parties standing represented them. And now they are back.
You're overstating the past turnouts.
The 80s were a rare exception (50 and 51 wasn't it?) that regressed back to the long term norm (I think 70-80% has held true with occasional exceptions back through the last hundred and 50 years or so).
Likewise the general turnout was low 70s about as often as it was high 70s (off the top of my head). 1997 was the lowest in the post-war period but by a very small amount.
I never got the Osmond's fan thingy. I'd give a Most Embarrassing Track Award to them for Crazy Horses.
I can't even type those words without simultaneously laughing and cringing at the ridiculous screaming guitar-neighing. For anyone who was fortunate enough to have missed it > here it is youtube.com/watch?v=qMM3MgS4yxc
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I'd have thought Little Jimmy Osmond was more Roger's style.......
During the early 70s I was entertainment secretary for my local Young Conservatives. This meant I got to go to all the discos and parties put on by other branches all over south and west London,from Godstone and Guilford to out past Heathrow.
Whenever a dj played Long Haired Lover from Liverpool we would get up a collection of the price of the single, buy the record from the dj and we would destroy it by stamping on it.
I like crazy horses as a song, I think without the Osmonds connection it'd be a bit better thought of.
My condolences. Did the BCR fan wear high waisted trousers and stitch on her own tartan too?
That was a craze and a half. I couldn't name a single BCR song, their drummer was called Derek IIRC and looked very odd. The girl who sat next to me at primary school had a poster of him stuck to the lid of her desk, then she traded him in for David Essex - complete with sparkly eyeshadow. Eww.
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I'd have thought Little Jimmy Osmond was more Roger's style.......
During the early 70s I was entertainment secretary for my local Young Conservatives. This meant I got to go to all the discos and parties put on by other branches all over south and west London,from Godstone and Guilford to out past Heathrow.
Whenever a dj played Long Haired Lover from Liverpool we would get up a collection of the price of the single, buy the record from the dj and we would destroy it by stamping on it.
I have two older sisters. One was an Osmond's fan, the other was a Bay City Rollers fan. The 70's in my home was a nightmare.
My condolences. Did the BCR fan wear high waisted trousers and stitch on her own tartan too?
That was a craze and a half. I couldn't name a single BCR song, their drummer was called Derek IIRC and looked very odd. The girl who sat next to me at primary school had a poster of him stuck to the lid of her desk, then she traded him in for David Essex - complete with sparkly eyeshadow. Eww.
I never got the Osmond's fan thingy. I'd give a Most Embarrassing Track Award to them for Crazy Horses.
I can't even type those words without simultaneously laughing and cringing at the ridiculous screaming guitar-neighing. For anyone who was fortunate enough to have missed it > here it is youtube.com/watch?v=qMM3MgS4yxc
My condolences. Did the BCR fan wear high waisted trousers and stitch on her own tartan too?
That was a craze and a half. I couldn't name a single BCR song, their drummer was called Derek IIRC and looked very odd. The girl who sat next to me at primary school had a poster of him stuck to the lid of her desk, then she traded him in for David Essex - complete with sparkly eyeshadow. Eww.
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I'd have thought Little Jimmy Osmond was more Roger's style.......
During the early 70s I was entertainment secretary for my local Young Conservatives. This meant I got to go to all the discos and parties put on by other branches all over south and west London,from Godstone and Guilford to out past Heathrow.
Whenever a dj played Long Haired Lover from Liverpool we would get up a collection of the price of the single, buy the record from the dj and we would destroy it by stamping on it.
I have two older sisters. One was an Osmond's fan, the other was a Bay City Rollers fan. The 70's in my home was a nightmare.
Tartan was every-bleedin-where. Bye Bye Baby was probably their most famous song. www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUwW108ITzw
That song always reminds me of this scene, which I find incredibly sad watching today knowing that later Liam really did lose his wife.
Somewhere else, we discussed socially embarrassing songs we rather liked/owned.
I confessed to owning a Gilbert O'Sullivan track... and All I Want For Christmas Is You by Mariah Carey. Crazy Horses is a step too far even more me, and I once owned a Barry Manilow album.
I never got the Osmond's fan thingy. I'd give a Most Embarrassing Track Award to them for Crazy Horses.
I can't even type those words without simultaneously laughing and cringing at the ridiculous screaming guitar-neighing. For anyone who was fortunate enough to have missed it > here it is youtube.com/watch?v=qMM3MgS4yxc
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I'd have thought Little Jimmy Osmond was more Roger's style.......
During the early 70s I was entertainment secretary for my local Young Conservatives. This meant I got to go to all the discos and parties put on by other branches all over south and west London,from Godstone and Guilford to out past Heathrow.
Whenever a dj played Long Haired Lover from Liverpool we would get up a collection of the price of the single, buy the record from the dj and we would destroy it by stamping on it.
I like crazy horses as a song, I think without the Osmonds connection it'd be a bit better thought of.
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I'd have thought Little Jimmy Osmond was more Roger's style.......
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Whenever a dj played Long Haired Lover from Liverpool we would get up a collection of the price of the single, buy the record from the dj and we would destroy it by stamping on it.
I have two older sisters. One was an Osmond's fan, the other was a Bay City Rollers fan. The 70's in my home was a nightmare.
Tartan was every-bleedin-where. Bye Bye Baby was probably their most famous song. www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUwW108ITzw
That song always reminds me of this scene, which I find incredibly sad watching today knowing that later Liam really did lose his wife.
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I'd have thought Little Jimmy Osmond was more Roger's style.......
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Whenever a dj played Long Haired Lover from Liverpool we would get up a collection of the price of the single, buy the record from the dj and we would destroy it by stamping on it.
I have two older sisters. One was an Osmond's fan, the other was a Bay City Rollers fan. The 70's in my home was a nightmare.
Tartan was every-bleedin-where. Bye Bye Baby was probably their most famous song. www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUwW108ITzw
That song always reminds me of this scene, which I find incredibly sad watching today knowing that later Liam really did lose his wife.
OT Quick Rolling Stones question. Never been a fan, only have Paint It Black and Play With Fire as tracks- any recommendations that are similar to these? Just the titles are fine to save hunting out YTubery.
OT Quick Rolling Stones question. Never been a fan, only have Paint It Black and Play With Fire as tracks- any recommendations that are similar to these? Just the titles are fine to save hunting out YTubery.
Their psychedilic period was fairly short. You may like "Ruby Tuesday" or "Get off of my Cloud"
OT Quick Rolling Stones question. Never been a fan, only have Paint It Black and Play With Fire as tracks- any recommendations that are similar to these? Just the titles are fine to save hunting out YTubery.
The obvious famous ones would be Gimme Shelter (somewhat heavier though) and Sympathy for the Devil, You can't always get what you want (you'll remember from House) and Wild Horses.
(These are probably heavily influenced by my lack of Stones knowledge, I'm more of a Boss fan).
OT Quick Rolling Stones question. Never been a fan, only have Paint It Black and Play With Fire as tracks- any recommendations that are similar to these? Just the titles are fine to save hunting out YTubery.
The obvious famous ones would be Gimme Shelter (somewhat heavier though) and Sympathy for the Devil, You can't always get what you want (you'll remember from House) and Wild Horses.
Somewhere else, we discussed socially embarrassing songs we rather liked/owned.
I confessed to owning a Gilbert O'Sullivan track... and All I Want For Christmas Is You by Mariah Carey. Crazy Horses is a step too far even more me, and I once owned a Barry Manilow album.
I never got the Osmond's fan thingy. I'd give a Most Embarrassing Track Award to them for Crazy Horses.
I can't even type those words without simultaneously laughing and cringing at the ridiculous screaming guitar-neighing. For anyone who was fortunate enough to have missed it > here it is youtube.com/watch?v=qMM3MgS4yxc
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
As I was googling for a decent rendition of 'Age of Aquarius' at Woodstock or early Glastonbury it occurred to me that anyone alive and aware at that time could never have imagined that forty years later a disc jockey would have been given a suspended jail term for briefly touching a friend's clothed breasts and a fascist party led by a beer swilling vulgarian would be changing the face of British politics
Yeah man, we just thought the world would run on peace and love, and we could eat acid for breakfast and it would all be like far out
Even hippies have to grow up.. you sound more and more like Malcolm from the Modern parents with every post
I'd have thought Little Jimmy Osmond was more Roger's style.......
During the early 70s I was entertainment secretary for my local Young Conservatives. This meant I got to go to all the discos and parties put on by other branches all over south and west London,from Godstone and Guilford to out past Heathrow.
Whenever a dj played Long Haired Lover from Liverpool we would get up a collection of the price of the single, buy the record from the dj and we would destroy it by stamping on it.
I like crazy horses as a song, I think without the Osmonds connection it'd be a bit better thought of.
I remember (vaguely) a wild party in a Nurses home where we played only Cliff Richard. It was rather before ironic post modernism was fashionable!
Somewhere else, we discussed socially embarrassing songs we rather liked/owned.
I confessed to owning a Gilbert O'Sullivan track... and All I Want For Christmas Is You by Mariah Carey. Crazy Horses is a step too far even more me, and I once owned a Barry Manilow album.
As far as I can remember, I have only ever bought one single (Back in the short part of my music listening life where people still bought music).
OT Quick Rolling Stones question. Never been a fan, only have Paint It Black and Play With Fire as tracks- any recommendations that are similar to these? Just the titles are fine to save hunting out YTubery.
The obvious famous ones would be Gimme Shelter (somewhat heavier though) and Sympathy for the Devil, You can't always get what you want (you'll remember from House) and Wild Horses.
(These are probably heavily influenced by my lack of Stones knowledge, I'm more of a Boss fan).
OT Quick Rolling Stones question. Never been a fan, only have Paint It Black and Play With Fire as tracks- any recommendations that are similar to these? Just the titles are fine to save hunting out YTubery.
OT Quick Rolling Stones question. Never been a fan, only have Paint It Black and Play With Fire as tracks- any recommendations that are similar to these? Just the titles are fine to save hunting out YTubery.
The obvious famous ones would be Gimme Shelter (somewhat heavier though) and Sympathy for the Devil, You can't always get what you want (you'll remember from House) and Wild Horses.
(These are probably heavily influenced by my lack of Stones knowledge, I'm more of a Boss fan).
Another Boss fan? Love it, that's two of us on PB!
OT Quick Rolling Stones question. Never been a fan, only have Paint It Black and Play With Fire as tracks- any recommendations that are similar to these? Just the titles are fine to save hunting out YTubery.
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Ahem, Mr Eagles. Given Bruce co-wrote the song it's not really a cover.
Having seen the Stones many many times, I'm a fan.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Cover? COVER?
My memory maybe a bit hazy, I knew he wrote it, but wasn't it first performed by The Patti Smith Group?
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.
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Save that if Labour voters think that by sitting on their hands, UKIP will take votes off Tories, the risk is that too many sit on their hands and UKIP could end up taking seats off Labour.
I agree that the result is worse for the Tories but Labour should be worried. To turn a safe seat into a marginal one this close to an election is not good for them. They appear barely to have advanced from their worst vote share of 2010.
Given Carswell's strong personal vote - he might even have won as an independent - it's tough to call - Rochester will be far more telling - if they can't hold that they are in very deeply serious trouble. But yes, it was less damaging for Labour - as with SINDY they were given a near death experience - but not death.....
This the number 1 today on ESPN's Not Top Ten
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aesn-cFrYUY
Next he will be spouting tractor stats just like Brown.
I could lend Roger one of my Hawkwind albums... if he wants to go for the whole dropping acid trip. Or Mott The Hoople if that's more his cup of dandelion.
* I now have visions of Roger doing a Hendrix complete with flowery headband*
"calling people vulgarians makes you sound silly, snobbish and socially insecure."
What would you call it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bypLwI5AQvY
Mr Reckless is another kettle of fish, and even allowing for the manner of his departure - he's more like Lobby Fodder than anything else. Given Carswell's strong personal vote - he might even have won as an independent - it's tough to call - Rochester will be far more telling - if they can't hold that they are in very deeply serious trouble. But yes, it was less damaging for Labour - as with SINDY they were given a near death experience - but not death.....
While I am not a Farage fan nor a UKIP supporter it is nice to see a politician not falling into "weasel style pr wonk talk". This is what many ordinary people like about him. He speaks in terms they understand about issues they care about. More politicians should try it.
The fact you don't like it is irrelevant much like you and your metrosexual london luvvies
http://primeministers.naa.gov.au/primeministers/hawke/before-office.aspx
What, then, should we do? We should offer something better. If British identity is systematically derided and traduced, if British history is presented as a hateful chronicle of racism and exploitation, if British patriotism is seen as knuckle-headed, don’t be surprised if many English, Scottish and Welsh people grope back towards older patriotisms. But where does this leave the children of immigrants? Is it any wonder that a few cast around for a more assertive identity?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100289156/the-way-to-defeat-british-jihadis-is-to-offer-something-better/
They're also tee-total just to add to the festive fun!
A kipper?
However he knows nothing of Jihadism and the Wahabi base it derives from.
One of my favorite memories was of the Beatles, who walked off the stage leaving Paul McCartney alone to introduce a new song, who then sang what I thought at the time was a slow, dreadfully boring dirge that seemed to go on for ever.
Of course, it was "Yesterday".
"One of the prime causes of UKIP's rise is the extent to which the political classes have lost touch with the values of the everyday person"
I don't believe in what you call the "values of the everyday person". It's all down to persuasion and fashion. Very few have common grievances. They are taught by those with an interest
If the movers and shakers (The Sun and Mail) stopped selling this ultra rightism that Farage is peddling we could for example be following a generous or even a hippy agenda. Any idea can be made de rigueur if promoted by trusted and engaging people.
Movements like Farage's are there because Farage is there. If Simon Cowell and The Sun decided to promote the unique value and talent of Latvians you can be sure the Clacton's of this world would take them to their hearts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3_uJAFRwBM
You wonder why we dislike you so much?
Whenever a dj played Long Haired Lover from Liverpool we would get up a collection of the price of the single, buy the record from the dj and we would destroy it by stamping on it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2684714/I-tell-I-m-going-jihad-Lol-I-ll-arrested-What-British-terrorist-Birmingham-told-childhood-friend-travelled-Syria-join-rebel-fighters.html
http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_4_suicide_bombers.html
Michael Heaver @Michael_Heaver 3h3 hours ago
UKIP has already raised over £12,000 online for an 'Elect MPs' moneybomb. The future. https://electmps-ukip.nationbuilder.com/elect_ukip_mps
Labour moved to the centre under blair, they haven't left
Conservatives moved to the centre under Cameron, they haven't left.
Whichever gets in we have a centrist government. Why should we give a toss whether its a millibrand or a cameron they both are not going to do anything about any of our concerns.
You want to cuddle up to the centre which is probably about 40 to 45% of voters then don't be surprised if the left and right voters go off looking elsewhere.
"Short Money – Annual Value = £142,685
The money is open to any political party that has either two MPs or one MP plus over 150,000 voters at the last election. Eligible parties get £14,015 for every seat won at the last election plus £27.99 for every 200 votes gained. This would give UKIP a whopping £142,685."
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/10/UKIPs-350k-A-Year-Clacton-Lottery-Win
http://www.youtube.com
/watch?v=LUtmt6WinUA
"Deciding" on a direction unilaterally and trying to push everyone in that direction is a far more 'courageous' approach, and not one followed by most of the big players.
Find out what people want, and sell it to them. In tonne lots, accentuated to the maximum. That's the philosophy that shifts the most.
As long as elitist idiots like you have that attitude the more Ukip will continue to prosper. Labour have lost the WWC forever and the Islington elite still can't work out why.
Football Scores.
http://www.youtube.com
/watch?v=-pwGAx8jBGM
Has someone uploaded Alice in Wonderland?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUtmt6WinUA
I've been saying for a while that UKIP are the UKs DUP and will do to the Tories what the DUP have done to the UUP.
This is a divorce of the C1s, C2s and "Basildon" & rural D's from the As and Bs of the tory party who have treated them with such contempt.
And a divorce of the rest of the Ds and the Es from a Labour party now run by A's and B's who thought they “had nowhere else to go”
The poor English - Ed Miliband, the alternative.
The link may help widen your knowledge of the position here in the UK Mr. Palmer;
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/healthcare_e/healthcare_help_wi
The voters hadn't lost interest, they just didn't feel any of the parties standing represented them. And now they are back.
Ed Miliband right man - despite 'panda eyes and strange lips', says Jack Straw
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-right-man-job-4417130 …
Brilliant. Just brilliant.
I never got the Osmond's fan thingy. I'd give a Most Embarrassing Track Award to them for Crazy Horses.
I can't even type those words without simultaneously laughing and cringing at the ridiculous screaming guitar-neighing. For anyone who was fortunate enough to have missed it > here it is youtube.com/watch?v=qMM3MgS4yxc
Osmonds doing their version of heavy metal...
Who advised @Ed_Miliband not to answer questions today? He says I'm going to listen & then walks away. That looks & is really bad.
I do not think that any of the three main parties either understands or wishes to understand and better my lot. Will UKIP do either, no probably not. I am unlikely to vote for them as they have few policies I like except leave the EU and I want that for entirely different reasons to most (but not all ukip members). I have nowhere to go but I have reached the point where I won't vote rather than vote for the least worst choice because they then take that vote as "I like your policies".
I said the other night if people stopped voting against parties and only voted for parties that had policies they thought good then parties would have to start tailoring their policies to what people wanted I stand by that.
To me the ideal election in 2015 is that every single voter goes "nope not going to play, go away and come up with policies we like then ask us again"
Do expect Ed Miliband to harden Labour's position on immigration.......
There is a time and plaice for everything.
@Holysmoke
"'On[c]e Labor represented cream of the working class; now the dregs of the middle class.' Refers to Australia but so pertinent tonight."
That was a craze and a half. I couldn't name a single BCR song, their drummer was called Derek IIRC and looked very odd. The girl who sat next to me at primary school had a poster of him stuck to the lid of her desk, then she traded him in for David Essex - complete with sparkly eyeshadow. Eww.
The 80s were a rare exception (50 and 51 wasn't it?) that regressed back to the long term norm (I think 70-80% has held true with occasional exceptions back through the last hundred and 50 years or so).
Likewise the general turnout was low 70s about as often as it was high 70s (off the top of my head). 1997 was the lowest in the post-war period but by a very small amount.
Bye Bye Baby was probably their most famous song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUwW108ITzw
May I submit, Dschingkis Khan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvS351QKFV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrsMi_-5AfM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tJbXSiuRdE
I confessed to owning a Gilbert O'Sullivan track... and All I Want For Christmas Is You by Mariah Carey. Crazy Horses is a step too far even more me, and I once owned a Barry Manilow album.
http://smith-hughes.com/papers/pdf_bin/Overview-of-Canadian-Immigration-LawPoliciesHIV.pdf
Imagine. Aping those notorious maple-syrup-eating bstards!
When I think of the trouble Canadian Extremism has caused the world, I want to !spit!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natasha_Richardson#Injury_and_death
(These are probably heavily influenced by my lack of Stones knowledge, I'm more of a Boss fan).
It was a duet between Sting and Craig David.
My favourite Stones tracks
Start Me Up, I'm Free, Brown Sugar, Paint It Black, You Can't Always Get What You Want, I Can't Get No Satisfaction, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (Was performed on their Forty Licks Tour and is on the Live Licks album), Not Fade Away, Let's Spend The Night Together, She's A Rainbow, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday.
Also a Springsteen fan, download his cover of Because The Night on iTunes.
Hate to break it to ya, pal...
He wrote it.
(and is my tweet responsible for your arrival?)
Or is this my biggest musical faux pas on PB since I outed myself as a Right Said Fred fan.