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SystemSystem Posts: 11,692
edited October 2014 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Cameron’s speech: the reaction

The vote Nigel get Ed meme is interesting, in the recent Lord Ashcroft national poll, UKIP voters preferred a Tory government to a Labour government by 27% to 23%, it may not be the panacea the Tories hope it will be, but if it is a close election, every vote helps.

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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    I see the police are going for it in Hong Kong:

    http://giant.gfycat.com/DeliciousWiltedGreatargus.gif
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2014
    Everyone here is talking measurement systems right now, we do not seem to be interested in taxes at the present.
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    JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    I thought it was good. It had actually started by the time I woke up. I slept through Ed's. Clearly Dave has greater psychic pull over me.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Cameron's speech was an improvement on Ed's " lamentable, weak, clichéd, embarrassing, uninspiring, stylistically inept, vacuous, unambitious, grandiose, cringeworthy, patronising, foolish, an unappetising blend of impossiblism and incrementalism, and a complete and final disaster for the Labour Party." speech.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Good speech-craft. But lots of unfunded giveaways that could trap him later.

    Saying we are currently "paying down the debt" is simply incorrect.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Vote purple, get red. Vote yellow, get blue. What's your favourite colour Smarties?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,833
    Saw the NHS passage on the news. Very passionate.

    Of course the long departed "Tim" would say Cameron himself destroyed his standing on the NHS when he agreed to Lansley's "madness"!
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Jam tomorrow vs. no jam ever unless you work for Unite seems to sum it up.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @nigelfletcher: I saw both Miliband and Cameron after they'd given their speeches. I'd say this sums it up. #CPC14 http://t.co/AsfGf5z3r9
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937
    Is this effectively another nice big tax cut for us top rate payers?
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Mike Wood ‏@mikejwood 10m10 minutes ago
    UKIP leader on Dudley Council, and PPC for Walsall South, has resigned from the Party. .@CCHQPress

    Kelly Tory MP...
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    AllyMAllyM Posts: 260
    I thought it was a very good speech (to say it wasn't, is like saying WWE are doing a good job with Bray Wyatt ) with some policy that will really resonate with people where it matters; their wages.

    Anything that puts more money in hard working people's pockets, is a real plus in my book.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited October 2014
    GIN1138 said:

    Saw the NHS passage on the news. Very passionate.

    Of course the long departed "Tim" would say Cameron himself destroyed his standing on the NHS when he agreed to Lansley's "madness"!

    Departed ? look for the guy who started using 'Gideon' in his post,you may find you answer ;-)

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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    FPT
    Casino_Royale said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Sorry, there are arguments to be made against the imperial system. But arguing that scientists and engineers can't handle it, or means pupils can't learn either in school is bollocks.

    It's not that they can't handle it, it's that the time and effort spent handling it could be more productively used handling something else.
    The time and effort is negligible. I do this for a living.
    Even if it negligible, why introduce the potential for error when you don't need to? It's irrational.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Sorry for the Beagle 2, it was the Mars Climate Orbiter that stuffed it due to a messup with imperial and metric systems.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter

    Any way that was 330$ million dollars (in 1998 prices), wasted.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,711
    Dave vs Ed. Compare and contrast.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    dr_spyn said:

    Mike Wood ‏@mikejwood 10m10 minutes ago
    UKIP leader on Dudley Council, and PPC for Walsall South, has resigned from the Party. .@CCHQPress

    Kelly Tory MP...

    Reversing his decision to stand down too?

    Nadine will be angry.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Tykejohnno said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Saw the NHS passage on the news. Very passionate.

    Of course the long departed "Tim" would say Cameron himself destroyed his standing on the NHS when he agreed to Lansley's "madness"!

    Departed ? look for the guy who started using 'Gideon' in his post,you may find you answer ;-)

    tim doesnt post here any more.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,711
    Cameron should go and book up those leaders debates tomorrow... He'll wipe the floor with Ed.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited October 2014
    SouthamObserver said:

    Is this effectively another nice big tax cut for us top rate payers?

    It's probably <1% of income for most top rate tax-payers, so not big for you.
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    michaelcollins10michaelcollins10 Posts: 24
    A speech that only a Tory could get away with - £7.2 billion tax cuts with no indication of where the money's coming from. Getting down the deficit takes a back seat to getting in the votes.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Yep , cutting the deficit is all forgotten , borrow more to give people tax cuts is Cameron's message .
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,025
    dr_spyn said:

    Mike Wood ‏@mikejwood 10m10 minutes ago
    UKIP leader on Dudley Council, and PPC for Walsall South, has resigned from the Party. .@CCHQPress

    Kelly Tory MP...

    Good spot
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    JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edited October 2014
    30 hours a week? Blimey, things change.

    Can't Wait to get back into work...
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Neil said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Saw the NHS passage on the news. Very passionate.

    Of course the long departed "Tim" would say Cameron himself destroyed his standing on the NHS when he agreed to Lansley's "madness"!

    Departed ? look for the guy who started using 'Gideon' in his post,you may find you answer ;-)

    tim doesnt post here any more.
    Not under the name tim,your right.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Tykejohnno said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Saw the NHS passage on the news. Very passionate.

    Of course the long departed "Tim" would say Cameron himself destroyed his standing on the NHS when he agreed to Lansley's "madness"!

    Departed ? look for the guy who started using 'Gideon' in his post,you may find you answer ;-)

    We're not allowed to accuse posters of being another poster, but I'd say there's a fair few very close siblings on this board ;)
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    dr_spyn said:

    Mike Wood ‏@mikejwood 10m10 minutes ago
    UKIP leader on Dudley Council, and PPC for Walsall South, has resigned from the Party. .@CCHQPress

    Kelly Tory MP...

    The Tories are way behind in 3rd place in Walsall North, latest constituency poll had them on 21%, with UKIP on 30% and Labour on 37%.
    I think we might see similar numbers in Walsall South.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    michaelcollins10 said:

    A speech that only a Tory could get away with - £7.2 billion tax cuts with no indication of where the money's coming from. Getting down the deficit takes a back seat to getting in the votes.

    So much is unclear about the proposal. Political parties dont have to produce the same kind of analyses accompanying announcements that Governments do.

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    JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edity edit edit.

    Let's all just assume I'm still drunk.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952
    dr_spyn said:

    Mike Wood ‏@mikejwood 10m10 minutes ago
    UKIP leader on Dudley Council, and PPC for Walsall South, has resigned from the Party. .@CCHQPress

    Kelly Tory MP...

    Waslsall South is on my UKIP 2015 Hit List

    But its a Labour seat isn't it?
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Neil said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Mike Wood ‏@mikejwood 10m10 minutes ago
    UKIP leader on Dudley Council, and PPC for Walsall South, has resigned from the Party. .@CCHQPress

    Kelly Tory MP...

    Reversing his decision to stand down too?

    Nadine will be angry.
    The Dudley UKIP story.

    http://www.dudleynews.co.uk/news/11507129._Bullied__Dudley_UKIP_leader_quits_party_amid_claimes_of_a_kangaroo_court/?ref=mr

    May have jumped gun re Kelly.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    isam said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Mike Wood ‏@mikejwood 10m10 minutes ago
    UKIP leader on Dudley Council, and PPC for Walsall South, has resigned from the Party. .@CCHQPress

    Kelly Tory MP...

    Waslsall South is on my UKIP 2015 Hit List

    But its a Labour seat isn't it?
    So is Walsall North.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Tykejohnno said:

    Neil said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Saw the NHS passage on the news. Very passionate.

    Of course the long departed "Tim" would say Cameron himself destroyed his standing on the NHS when he agreed to Lansley's "madness"!

    Departed ? look for the guy who started using 'Gideon' in his post,you may find you answer ;-)

    tim doesnt post here any more.
    Not under the name tim,your right.
    No, tim doesnt post here at all any more under any name.

    That you think some posters who have completely different styles and are much, much less entertaining are tim says more about you than it does about him.

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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,992
    Dr. Spyn, that reminds me: where was the kangaroo?

    No owls from Labour, no kangaroos from the Conservatives. No wonder people are apathetic about politics.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited October 2014
    michaelcollins10 said:

    A speech that only a Tory could get away with - £7.2 billion tax cuts with no indication of where the money's coming from. Getting down the deficit takes a back seat to getting in the votes.

    Awww, you're just adorable, aren't you! Yes you are, you cheeky little, reality-denying socialist you. Mwah!
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    rcs1000 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Mike Wood ‏@mikejwood 10m10 minutes ago
    UKIP leader on Dudley Council, and PPC for Walsall South, has resigned from the Party. .@CCHQPress

    Kelly Tory MP...

    Good spot
    I suppose that this was yesterday, and he may have had a Damascene conversion since:

    http://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-news/2014/09/30/chris-kelly-im-definitely-not-joining-ukip/
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,429
    It shouldn't be overshadowed by any defection now. Those stories have already become a bit stale.
    It'd have to be somebody very big to overshadow the massive rabbits pulled out of the hat today.

    Cameron rightly judged he needed something big enough to dominate the news agenda no matter what. This is it.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    dr_spyn said:


    May have jumped gun re Kelly.

    Ah well, it kept us going for a tough 5 minutes!
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Casino_Royale said:

    It shouldn't be overshadowed by any defection now. Those stories have already become a bit stale.
    It'd have to be somebody very big to overshadow the massive rabbits pulled out of the hat today.

    Cameron rightly judged he needed something big enough to dominate the news agenda no matter what. This is it.

    I can't call the return to the imperial system a massive rabbit.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,429
    Speedy said:

    Everyone here is talking measurement systems right now, we do not seem to be interested in taxes at the present.

    I hope, for his sake, that Brooks Newmark didn't get the systems for defining his 'measurement' mixed up when he communicated with that honey trap.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Neil said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Neil said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Saw the NHS passage on the news. Very passionate.

    Of course the long departed "Tim" would say Cameron himself destroyed his standing on the NHS when he agreed to Lansley's "madness"!

    Departed ? look for the guy who started using 'Gideon' in his post,you may find you answer ;-)

    tim doesnt post here any more.
    Not under the name tim,your right.
    No, tim doesnt post here at all any more under any name.

    That you think some posters who have completely different styles and are much, much less entertaining are tim says more about you than it does about him.


    And your very entertaining with your short boring sarcastic remarks/post,aren't you.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,429
    antifrank said:

    rcs1000 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Mike Wood ‏@mikejwood 10m10 minutes ago
    UKIP leader on Dudley Council, and PPC for Walsall South, has resigned from the Party. .@CCHQPress

    Kelly Tory MP...

    Good spot
    I suppose that this was yesterday, and he may have had a Damascene conversion since:

    http://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-news/2014/09/30/chris-kelly-im-definitely-not-joining-ukip/
    He was never going to defect. I know Chris.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Tykejohnno said:

    Neil said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Neil said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Saw the NHS passage on the news. Very passionate.

    Of course the long departed "Tim" would say Cameron himself destroyed his standing on the NHS when he agreed to Lansley's "madness"!

    Departed ? look for the guy who started using 'Gideon' in his post,you may find you answer ;-)

    tim doesnt post here any more.
    Not under the name tim,your right.
    No, tim doesnt post here at all any more under any name.

    That you think some posters who have completely different styles and are much, much less entertaining are tim says more about you than it does about him.


    And your very entertaining with your short boring sarcastic remarks/post,aren't you.
    Ouch, first I was called insincere and now this. Can today get any worse?

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,519
    Neil said:



    Tykejohnno said:

    Neil said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Neil said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Saw the NHS passage on the news. Very passionate.

    Of course the long departed "Tim" would say Cameron himself destroyed his standing on the NHS when he agreed to Lansley's "madness"!

    Departed ? look for the guy who started using 'Gideon' in his post,you may find you answer ;-)

    tim doesnt post here any more.
    Not under the name tim,your right.
    No, tim doesnt post here at all any more under any name.

    That you think some posters who have completely different styles and are much, much less entertaining are tim says more about you than it does about him.


    And your very entertaining with your short boring sarcastic remarks/post,aren't you.
    Ouch, first I was called insincere and now this. Can today get any worse?

    Weren't you called a Scot Nat a few weeks ago.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Neil said:



    Tykejohnno said:

    Neil said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Neil said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Saw the NHS passage on the news. Very passionate.

    Of course the long departed "Tim" would say Cameron himself destroyed his standing on the NHS when he agreed to Lansley's "madness"!

    Departed ? look for the guy who started using 'Gideon' in his post,you may find you answer ;-)

    tim doesnt post here any more.
    Not under the name tim,your right.
    No, tim doesnt post here at all any more under any name.

    That you think some posters who have completely different styles and are much, much less entertaining are tim says more about you than it does about him.


    And your very entertaining with your short boring sarcastic remarks/post,aren't you.
    Ouch, first I was called insincere and now this. Can today get any worse?

    Caroline Lucas could defect to the Tories
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,429
    Speedy said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    It shouldn't be overshadowed by any defection now. Those stories have already become a bit stale.
    It'd have to be somebody very big to overshadow the massive rabbits pulled out of the hat today.

    Cameron rightly judged he needed something big enough to dominate the news agenda no matter what. This is it.

    I can't call the return to the imperial system a massive rabbit.
    That depends on whether or not you get confused over which system of units you use to measure the rabbit.
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    ___Bobajob______Bobajob___ Posts: 872
    Mark Senior

    Indeed. As forecast. The deficit now a distant memory as Cam goes for a good old-fashioned giveaway

    The only thing more amusing is the spectacle of Antifrank denying he was wrong!
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,782
    SouthamObserver said:

    Is this effectively another nice big tax cut for us top rate payers?

    IFS chap on R4 saying the winners are those earning between 10k & 100k......

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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2014
    Casino_Royale said:

    antifrank said:

    rcs1000 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Mike Wood ‏@mikejwood 10m10 minutes ago
    UKIP leader on Dudley Council, and PPC for Walsall South, has resigned from the Party. .@CCHQPress

    Kelly Tory MP...

    Good spot
    I suppose that this was yesterday, and he may have had a Damascene conversion since:

    http://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-news/2014/09/30/chris-kelly-im-definitely-not-joining-ukip/
    He was never going to defect. I know Chris.
    Denials are worth a much as party promises before an election.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    dyedwoolie said:

    Neil said:



    Tykejohnno said:

    Neil said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Neil said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Saw the NHS passage on the news. Very passionate.

    Of course the long departed "Tim" would say Cameron himself destroyed his standing on the NHS when he agreed to Lansley's "madness"!

    Departed ? look for the guy who started using 'Gideon' in his post,you may find you answer ;-)

    tim doesnt post here any more.
    Not under the name tim,your right.
    No, tim doesnt post here at all any more under any name.

    That you think some posters who have completely different styles and are much, much less entertaining are tim says more about you than it does about him.


    And your very entertaining with your short boring sarcastic remarks/post,aren't you.
    Ouch, first I was called insincere and now this. Can today get any worse?

    Caroline Lucas could defect to the Tories
    Now if Natalie Bennett on the other hand... ;)

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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151
    Speedy said:

    Everyone here is talking measurement systems right now, we do not seem to be interested in taxes at the present.

    IIUC it's a number over five years with an unknown inflation rate and they may not go through with it at all depending on the deficit, so arguing about furlongs instead seems like a reasonable response.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,429
    edited October 2014
    Speedy said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    antifrank said:

    rcs1000 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Mike Wood ‏@mikejwood 10m10 minutes ago
    UKIP leader on Dudley Council, and PPC for Walsall South, has resigned from the Party. .@CCHQPress

    Kelly Tory MP...

    Good spot
    I suppose that this was yesterday, and he may have had a Damascene conversion since:

    http://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-news/2014/09/30/chris-kelly-im-definitely-not-joining-ukip/
    He was never going to defect. I know Chris.
    Denials are worth a much as party promises before an election.
    Nah. Friends with him on facebook, and he has old friends who are now MPs for marginal seats. He wouldn't betray them. He's had enough of politics, was frustrated with the work-life balance and decided he wanted to return to the family business, and one day take it over from his father.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    CarlottaVance said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Is this effectively another nice big tax cut for us top rate payers?

    IFS chap on R4 saying the winners are those earning between 10k & 100k......

    What announcement was he talking about (because it obviously cant just have been raising the higher rate threshold)?

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    JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    CarlottaVance said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Is this effectively another nice big tax cut for us top rate payers?

    IFS chap on R4 saying the winners are those earning between 10k & 100k......

    Ha ha - Classic Dave

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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Neil said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Neil said:



    Tykejohnno said:

    Neil said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Neil said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Saw the NHS passage on the news. Very passionate.

    Of course the long departed "Tim" would say Cameron himself destroyed his standing on the NHS when he agreed to Lansley's "madness"!

    Departed ? look for the guy who started using 'Gideon' in his post,you may find you answer ;-)

    tim doesnt post here any more.
    Not under the name tim,your right.
    No, tim doesnt post here at all any more under any name.

    That you think some posters who have completely different styles and are much, much less entertaining are tim says more about you than it does about him.


    And your very entertaining with your short boring sarcastic remarks/post,aren't you.
    Ouch, first I was called insincere and now this. Can today get any worse?

    Caroline Lucas could defect to the Tories
    Now if Natalie Bennett on the other hand... ;)

    Bellamy and Icke
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edmundintokyo said:

    Speedy said:

    Everyone here is talking measurement systems right now, we do not seem to be interested in taxes at the present.

    IIUC it's a number over five years with an unknown inflation rate and they may not go through with it at all depending on the deficit, so arguing about furlongs instead seems like a reasonable response.
    Railways are still measured in units of 'chain'. Where's Sunil?
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    nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    AllyM said:

    I thought it was a very good speech (to say it wasn't, is like saying WWE are doing a good job with Bray Wyatt ) with some policy that will really resonate with people where it matters; their wages.

    Anything that puts more money in hard working people's pockets, is a real plus in my book.

    I'll be surprised if this doesn't move plenty of Kippers back in to the fold.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    David Cameron to 'scrap' Human Rights Act for new 'British Bill of Rights'

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-party-conference-cameron-announces-plans-to-scrap-human-rights-act-9767435.html
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    AllyMAllyM Posts: 260
    edited October 2014
    nigel4england said:

    AllyM said:

    I thought it was a very good speech (to say it wasn't, is like saying WWE are doing a good job with Bray Wyatt ) with some policy that will really resonate with people where it matters; their wages.

    Anything that puts more money in hard working people's pockets, is a real plus in my book.

    I'll be surprised if this doesn't move plenty of Kippers back in to the fold.
    Agreed. DC did a great job of painting how a Conservative future CAN look after all sorts of the working and give people choice on Europe.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Neil said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Is this effectively another nice big tax cut for us top rate payers?

    IFS chap on R4 saying the winners are those earning between 10k & 100k......

    What announcement was he talking about (because it obviously cant just have been raising the higher rate threshold)?

    Raising the IT threshold to 12.5K

    if you are on 10+K you benefit.
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    ___Bobajob______Bobajob___ Posts: 872
    Tax cut unravelling - won't kick in until 2020.

    12th of never. What is the point?
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    TheWatcher said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Speedy said:

    Everyone here is talking measurement systems right now, we do not seem to be interested in taxes at the present.

    IIUC it's a number over five years with an unknown inflation rate and they may not go through with it at all depending on the deficit, so arguing about furlongs instead seems like a reasonable response.
    Railways are still measured in units of 'chain'. Where's Sunil?
    Interestingly enough, in Burma/Myanmar, they still use miles and furlongs on their traffic signs. Well I thought it was interesting. *flounce*
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited October 2014
    Faisal Islam's tweet screws up the line by quoting it wrongly: "on 7th May you could go to bed with Nigel Farage, and wake up with Ed Miliband."
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151
    Tykejohnno said:

    David Cameron to 'scrap' Human Rights Act for new 'British Bill of Rights'

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-party-conference-cameron-announces-plans-to-scrap-human-rights-act-9767435.html

    This seems to be the same old policy from the 2010 manifesto. As previously, they're being vague about what's in it, but it probably ends up being a rebranded version of the Human Rights Act, since not giving people the same rights in British courts that they already have in the European court just ends up costing more money, and some of the time the British taxpayer is going to end up paying for both sides.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,992
    Mr. Ajob, depends on whether it's phased in. In addition, Cameron did stress that tax cuts were contingent on the deficit being reduced.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,429
    ___Bobajob___ said:

    Tax cut unravelling - won't kick in until 2020.

    12th of never. What is the point?

    ___Bobajob___ said:

    Tax cut unravelling - won't kick in until 2020.

    12th of never. What is the point?

    A-ha, thanks. Then it does align with my original 'laddered' prediction then. I thought it didn't compute to introduce it immediately.

    Can anyone calculate what it would have been in 2020 had it increases at its 'usual' rate instead?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,429
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Faisal Islam's tweet screws up the line by quoting it wrongly: "on 7th May you could go to bed with Nigel Farage, and wake up with Ed Miliband."

    Doesn't sound like that'd be a pleasant experience either way, does it?
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    ___Bobajob___ said:

    Tax cut unravelling - won't kick in until 2020

    Eh? In what conceivable world is that 'unravelling'? In any case it's not going to be increased in just one go, in 2019/20, is it?
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Casino_Royale said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Faisal Islam's tweet screws up the line by quoting it wrongly: "on 7th May you could go to bed with Nigel Farage, and wake up with Ed Miliband."

    Doesn't sound like that'd be a pleasant experience either way, does it?
    Yeah, I'm not sure if the evening or the morning would be the more horrible.
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    Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,176
    Isn't the speech usually at 2.30pm?

    D'oh. Missed it!

    Looks like it was interesting though - i shall peruse further...!
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Casino_Royale said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Faisal Islam's tweet screws up the line by quoting it wrongly: "on 7th May you could go to bed with Nigel Farage, and wake up with Ed Miliband."

    Doesn't sound like that'd be a pleasant experience either way, does it?
    To be fair Dave knows what he is talking about on this at least. He woke in 2010 with Nick Clegg grinning back at him.


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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TGOHF said:

    Neil said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Is this effectively another nice big tax cut for us top rate payers?

    IFS chap on R4 saying the winners are those earning between 10k & 100k......

    What announcement was he talking about (because it obviously cant just have been raising the higher rate threshold)?

    Raising the IT threshold to 12.5K

    if you are on 10+K you benefit.
    But what is the winner / loser analysis when you factor in George's announcements? Losers concentrated in the lower / middle of the distribution and winners concentrated at the top I would have thought.

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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    When will we hear more on what the Tories are going to do to cut immigration? Leading conservative posters have said they expect it to be in the manifesto...
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Anorak said:

    TheWatcher said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Speedy said:

    Everyone here is talking measurement systems right now, we do not seem to be interested in taxes at the present.

    IIUC it's a number over five years with an unknown inflation rate and they may not go through with it at all depending on the deficit, so arguing about furlongs instead seems like a reasonable response.
    Railways are still measured in units of 'chain'. Where's Sunil?
    Interestingly enough, in Burma/Myanmar, they still use miles and furlongs on their traffic signs. Well I thought it was interesting. *flounce*
    There is no real reason we couldn't have gone on using gallons for petrol and feet for measuring people, and still used metric/SI units for science. What we actually have is a sort of bastardised metric system because the base units are the wrong scale.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited October 2014
    The fact that the Tories can make this pledge and people will accept that it will happen without any detailed explanation of how, tells you how wide the gulf in economic credibility is between Tory and Labour.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    ___Bobajob___ said:

    Tax cut unravelling - won't kick in until 2020.

    12th of never. What is the point?

    You expect us to believe you about the NHS going to pot in the future yet not believe the chaps who have already raised the IT threshold to 10k ?
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn

    Ed Balls attacks Cameron's #cpc14 tax cuts as "pie in the sky promises" for not being costed - but interestingly doesn't rule out matching

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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited October 2014
    Socrates said:

    When will we hear more on what the Tories are going to do to cut immigration? Leading conservative posters have said they expect it to be in the manifesto...

    You on about 'dem foreigners' now?

    I swear your rantings are driving me leftwards. Can't be the only one.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,429
    Jonathan said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Faisal Islam's tweet screws up the line by quoting it wrongly: "on 7th May you could go to bed with Nigel Farage, and wake up with Ed Miliband."

    Doesn't sound like that'd be a pleasant experience either way, does it?
    To be fair Dave knows what he is talking about on this at least. He woke in 2010 with Nick Clegg grinning back at him.


    Good one!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,992
    Mr. Johnno:

    "These promises are complete nonsense. We may copy them."
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Johnno:

    "These promises are complete nonsense. We may copy them."

    I know - lol

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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited October 2014
    Oh dear, Danny's not amused at having his rabbit nicked:

    The Tories shameless attempt to copy Liberal Democrat tax policy will be utterly incredible to the millions of working people who they have made clear will be their main target for cuts in the next parliament.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,129
    Casino_Royale said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Faisal Islam's tweet screws up the line by quoting it wrongly: "on 7th May you could go to bed with Nigel Farage, and wake up with Ed Miliband."

    Doesn't sound like that'd be a pleasant experience either way, does it?
    Spare a thought for Mrs Farage.

    Admittedly, that's probably more than Nigel does.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,519
    If any traitorous pig dog does defect between now and say 7pm can someone vanilla message me and or tweet it to me please.
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    FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    11 people killed as school is shelled by Kiev government forces in Donetsk today.
    http://rt.com/news/192140-ukraine-school-shelled-donetsk/

    Politician assaulted in Odessa.
    http://rt.com/news/191968-ukraine-politician-beaten-crowd/
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Oh dear, Danny's not amused at having his rabbit nicked:

    The Tories shameless attempt to copy Liberal Democrat tax policy will be utterly incredible to the millions of working people who they have made clear will be their main target for cuts in the next parliament.

    He's not my favourite politician but he's dead right.

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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    TheWatcher said:

    Socrates said:

    When will we hear more on what the Tories are going to do to cut immigration? Leading conservative posters have said they expect it to be in the manifesto...

    You on about 'dem foreigners' now?

    I swear your rantings are driving me leftwards. Can't be the only one.
    It's the biggest political issue of importance to UK voters. Of course it's relevant to question what the main government party's policy is on the matter when they are setting out their platform for the next election.

    And what do you mean by "dem" exactly? Are you suggesting that people concerned about immigration can't speak English? Are you mocking regional accents? Please tell.
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    BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    I don't think we'll be seeing that 3rd MP defection. If I was that MP I'd be having serious second thoughts.

    More critically, this speech is one that could well prise some of that lump of 2010 Lib Dem voters away from Labour.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    FalseFlag said:

    11 people killed as school is shelled by Kiev government forces in Donetsk today.
    http://rt.com/news/192140-ukraine-school-shelled-donetsk/

    Politician assaulted in Odessa.
    http://rt.com/news/191968-ukraine-politician-beaten-crowd/

    From the Russian propaganda outlet that said the OSCE had "confirmed" mass graves when they'd done nothing of the sort. I'm sure that's reliable.
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    BenM said:

    I don't think we'll be seeing that 3rd MP defection. If I was that MP I'd be having serious second thoughts.

    More critically, this speech is one that could well prise some of that lump of 2010 Lib Dem voters away from Labour.

    I wonder what the shortly to be unemployed Reckless is thinking?
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    FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    Socrates said:

    FalseFlag said:

    11 people killed as school is shelled by Kiev government forces in Donetsk today.
    http://rt.com/news/192140-ukraine-school-shelled-donetsk/

    Politician assaulted in Odessa.
    http://rt.com/news/191968-ukraine-politician-beaten-crowd/

    From the Russian propaganda outlet that said the OSCE had "confirmed" mass graves when they'd done nothing of the sort. I'm sure that's reliable.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29439743
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Socrates said:

    TheWatcher said:

    Socrates said:

    When will we hear more on what the Tories are going to do to cut immigration? Leading conservative posters have said they expect it to be in the manifesto...

    You on about 'dem foreigners' now?

    I swear your rantings are driving me leftwards. Can't be the only one.
    It's the biggest political issue of importance to UK voters. Of course it's relevant to question what the main government party's policy is on the matter when they are setting out their platform for the next election.

    And what do you mean by "dem" exactly? Are you suggesting that people concerned about immigration can't speak English? Are you mocking regional accents? Please tell.
    MY concern about immigration is that politicians will take steps to clamp down which would not be in the nation's financial interests.

    You do seem to want to come back to this subject whenever you can.

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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    chestnut said:

    The fact that the Tories can make this pledge and people will accept that it will happen without any detailed explanation of how, tells you how wide the gulf in economic credibility is between Tory and Labour.

    A fool such as yourself may accept that this Tory "pledge" will happen without detailed explanation as to how but the public as a whole will be much more sceptical and contrast it with Osborne's message on Monday .
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    JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edited October 2014
    Socrates said:

    TheWatcher said:

    Socrates said:

    When will we hear more on what the Tories are going to do to cut immigration? Leading conservative posters have said they expect it to be in the manifesto...

    You on about 'dem foreigners' now?

    I swear your rantings are driving me leftwards. Can't be the only one.
    It's the biggest political issue of importance to UK voters. Of course it's relevant to question what the main government party's policy is on the matter when they are setting out their platform for the next election.

    And what do you mean by "dem" exactly? Are you suggesting that people concerned about immigration can't speak English? Are you mocking regional accents? Please tell.
    He must be Hillary 2016

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    ___Bobajob______Bobajob___ Posts: 872
    Chestnut

    Slightly previous comment - the pledge was only made two hours ago man!
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited October 2014
    chestnut said:

    The fact that the Tories can make this pledge and people will accept that it will happen without any detailed explanation of how, tells you how wide the gulf in economic credibility is between Tory and Labour.

    'Tory partisans' is a very small subset of 'people'.
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    PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Johnno:

    "These promises are complete nonsense. We may copy them."

    Are you talking about tax cuts for the lower paid?

    Indeed, the proposal from the Lib Dems was dismissed with scorn by Mr Cameron in the leaders´debates, and now the Tories are not only claiming credit for what the Coalition Government has done under Lib Dem pressure, but Mr Cameron now seems to be trying to match the Lib Dem targets for the next Parliament.

    Mr Cameron seems to be a very confused man. But perhaps he is being guided by his focus groups.

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    FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2014-10-01/ukraine-rebels-close-in-on-donetsk-airport

    Novorossiyan Armed Forces closing in on Donetsk Airport in order to end the continual shelling of residential areas of Donetsk which has been occurring throughout the ceasefire.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    BenM said:


    More critically, this speech is one that could well prise some of that lump of 2010 Lib Dem voters away from Labour.

    You think? Maybe it might be worth watching later after all.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,429
    BenM said:

    I don't think we'll be seeing that 3rd MP defection. If I was that MP I'd be having serious second thoughts.

    More critically, this speech is one that could well prise some of that lump of 2010 Lib Dem voters away from Labour.

    Agreed.
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