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politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » As Dave’s big speech begins – Rumour has it the third defection is expected at 5pm

As Cameron's big speech, rumours emerge of a 3rd MP defecting at 5pm

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  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    First!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Tom Bradby: His reference to a D Day vet he met possibly a safer bet than Ed M and Gareth in the park.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    CarlottaVance said:

    Tom Bradby: His reference to a D Day vet he met possibly a safer bet than Ed M and Gareth in the park.

    This, Ed.

    Do you now see how idiotic your speech was last week?

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    No wealth without work?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited October 2014
    I can tell you one thing 100% for sure. UKIP's puerile and vindictive antics guarantee that Farage won't be in any debates. That may be what they want, of course.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Dave needs a new speechwriter. This is just noise.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    MaxPB said:

    Cut the basic rate to 19% and the higher rate to 39%. Policies that will win over lower paid and middle income people. Time to win the election.

    The top rate of tax only affects the top 15-20% of earners.

    Cutting it does nothing for "middle-income" people unless middle income has now been redefined to mean highest earners in the country.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I can tell you one thing 100% for sure. UKIP's puerile and vindictive antics guarantee that Farage won't be in any debates. That may be what they want, of course.

    Puerile and vindictive? I know that the Tories havent attracted any defecting MPs recently so may not be up-to-speed about how to respond but show me which party ever has refused one?

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Is it too soon to breathlessly declare the speech a triumph? (I'm not watching it so need guidance on this.)
  • Swiss_BobSwiss_Bob Posts: 619
    Death by a thousand cuts.

    Sweet irony.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Neil said:

    Is it too soon to breathlessly declare the speech a triumph? (I'm not watching it so need guidance on this.)

    David Cameron: Germany

    Ed Miliband = Ireland
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Neil said:

    Is it too soon to breathlessly declare the speech a triumph? (I'm not watching it so need guidance on this.)


    Toby Helm @tobyhelm
    Ed Miliband speech makes Cameron's look so polished. Labour will be hating the slickness of this performance.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I can tell you one thing 100% for sure. UKIP's puerile and vindictive antics guarantee that Farage won't be in any debates. That may be what they want, of course.

    So that's how you'll try to spin Cameron's cowardice in debating Farage. It's a novel excuse, but I don't think it will convince many.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Neil, nothing too noteworthy (perhaps excepting reaffirming English votes for English laws).
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054
    Alistair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Cut the basic rate to 19% and the higher rate to 39%. Policies that will win over lower paid and middle income people. Time to win the election.

    The top rate of tax only affects the top 15-20% of earners.

    Cutting it does nothing for "middle-income" people unless middle income has now been redefined to mean highest earners in the country.
    Teachers, firefighters, nurses, policemen. All of these professions include a significant number of higher rate payers. There are millions of people who have been dragged in over the last 10 years helping them would go a long way to winning the election.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Neil said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I can tell you one thing 100% for sure. UKIP's puerile and vindictive antics guarantee that Farage won't be in any debates. That may be what they want, of course.

    Puerile and vindictive? I know that the Tories havent attracted any defecting MPs recently so may not be up-to-speed about how to respond but show me which party ever has refused one?

    I was referring to trying to disrupt the Conference. It has been a convention for decades that parties don't do that (and quite rightly so, democracy is not helped by trying to drown out any party laying out its platform for the election). Remember the flak Gordon Brown got when it looked as though he was doing so with his trip to Afghanistan?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Neil said:

    Is it too soon to breathlessly declare the speech a triumph? (I'm not watching it so need guidance on this.)

    So far I think Dave's 'D-Day Vet' has trumped Ed's 'Gareth he met in a park'......

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    There is no chance of me voting for Cameron or Miliband, but if people are swayed by Conference speeches, Cameron is on a different level

    Like a Dad vs a student , really I feel like a PB Tory!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Neil said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I can tell you one thing 100% for sure. UKIP's puerile and vindictive antics guarantee that Farage won't be in any debates. That may be what they want, of course.

    Puerile and vindictive? I know that the Tories havent attracted any defecting MPs recently so may not be up-to-speed about how to respond but show me which party ever has refused one?

    I was referring to trying to disrupt the Conference. It has been a convention for decades that parties don't do that (and quite rightly so, democracy is not helped by trying to drown out any party laying out its platform for the election). Remember the flak Gordon Brown got when it looked as though he was doing so with his trip to Afghanistan?
    Remember last week when the Kippers moaned like whores about Cameron/Obama/ISIS conspiring to derail the Kipper conference.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    @TSE

    Carswell has used a picture of you to illustrate his hatred of party whips

    http://www.talkcarswell.com/
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Neil said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I can tell you one thing 100% for sure. UKIP's puerile and vindictive antics guarantee that Farage won't be in any debates. That may be what they want, of course.

    Puerile and vindictive? I know that the Tories havent attracted any defecting MPs recently so may not be up-to-speed about how to respond but show me which party ever has refused one?

    You don't understand Neil. UKIP are supposed to unilaterally disband as a political party in the hope that the Conservatives manage to hoover up their vote so Miliband is stopped from No 10. Anything less than that is just malicious hatred for the misunderstood and unfairly treated Tories.

    Of course, the appalling evil of Ed as Prime Minister isn't bad enough that the Tories are willing to stand by in 5% of their seats to get an alliance with UKIP...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,816
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I can tell you one thing 100% for sure. UKIP's puerile and vindictive antics guarantee that Farage won't be in any debates. That may be what they want, of course.

    Don't be ridiculous.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Neil said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I can tell you one thing 100% for sure. UKIP's puerile and vindictive antics guarantee that Farage won't be in any debates. That may be what they want, of course.

    Puerile and vindictive? I know that the Tories havent attracted any defecting MPs recently so may not be up-to-speed about how to respond but show me which party ever has refused one?

    I was referring to trying to disrupt the Conference.
    Farage's place in the debates should be determined objectively and not by whether he played nice while the Tories were in Birmingham. As it happens all these defections are removing the last main barrier to Farage being included - that they dont have any MPs.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Neil said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I can tell you one thing 100% for sure. UKIP's puerile and vindictive antics guarantee that Farage won't be in any debates. That may be what they want, of course.

    Puerile and vindictive? I know that the Tories havent attracted any defecting MPs recently so may not be up-to-speed about how to respond but show me which party ever has refused one?

    I was referring to trying to disrupt the Conference. It has been a convention for decades that parties don't do that (and quite rightly so, democracy is not helped by trying to drown out any party laying out its platform for the election). Remember the flak Gordon Brown got when it looked as though he was doing so with his trip to Afghanistan?
    Reckless was unveiled at UKIPs conference.. what's the problem with that?

    You Conservatives said the same about the timing of Carswells defection, its all noise, you'll say the same whenever one of your MP's sees the light.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    CarlottaVance said:

    Neil said:

    Is it too soon to breathlessly declare the speech a triumph? (I'm not watching it so need guidance on this.)

    So far I think Dave's 'D-Day Vet' has trumped Ed's 'Gareth he met in a park'......

    Looking at the performance so far, hate to say it but Cameron is maschine-gunning trump cards all over Ed.

    Still angry about last week.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Dave's going after the soft Labour vote.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Neil said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I can tell you one thing 100% for sure. UKIP's puerile and vindictive antics guarantee that Farage won't be in any debates. That may be what they want, of course.

    Puerile and vindictive? I know that the Tories havent attracted any defecting MPs recently so may not be up-to-speed about how to respond but show me which party ever has refused one?

    I was referring to trying to disrupt the Conference. It has been a convention for decades that parties don't do that (and quite rightly so, democracy is not helped by trying to drown out any party laying out its platform for the election). Remember the flak Gordon Brown got when it looked as though he was doing so with his trip to Afghanistan?
    Remember last week when the Kippers moaned like whores about Cameron/Obama/ISIS conspiring to derail the Kipper conference.
    Did that moaning include our party leader calling any Tories "fat arse" or "dickhead"?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited October 2014
    Socrates said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I can tell you one thing 100% for sure. UKIP's puerile and vindictive antics guarantee that Farage won't be in any debates. That may be what they want, of course.

    So that's how you'll try to spin Cameron's cowardice in debating Farage. It's a novel excuse, but I don't think it will convince many.
    I'm not spinning anything. I'm just giving my opinion that UKIP's vindicative behaviour will anger Cameron, and quite rightly so, and that therefore any small chance there was of Farage being in the debates is now gone. Feel free to disagree, and argue that it makes it more likely.

    The fact that you see anything posted on here as 'spinning' shows how out of touch with reality you are.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    There's a rabbit, wouldn't call it jumbo though.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I can tell you one thing 100% for sure. UKIP's puerile and vindictive antics guarantee that Farage won't be in any debates. That may be what they want, of course.

    UKIP will have MPs as well as a high poll score in the period when participation in any debates is decided, so his claim for involvement will be stronger.

    My guess is that Miliband will be glad not to be debating Cameron, Cameron will be glad not to be debating Farage, and I'm not sure whether Clegg will be desperate enough to debate Farage just to garner a bit more attention, since that didn't go so well for the European elections.

    So the debates are unlikely to happen.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,779
    BenM said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Neil said:

    Is it too soon to breathlessly declare the speech a triumph? (I'm not watching it so need guidance on this.)

    So far I think Dave's 'D-Day Vet' has trumped Ed's 'Gareth he met in a park'......

    Looking at the performance so far, hate to say it but Cameron is maschine-gunning trump cards all over Ed.

    Still angry about last week.
    You may be many things Ben (love you really xx), but you are certainly honest.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Neil said:

    Is it too soon to breathlessly declare the speech a triumph? (I'm not watching it so need guidance on this.)

    David Cameron: Germany

    Ed Miliband = Ireland
    Ouch - is Cameron trailing that far behind Miliband's blazing economic growth figures? (Fwiw Ireland's GDP per capita is higher than Germany's ... now if only they hadnt made us pay off their stupid bond investments we'd be fine.)

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    edited October 2014
    Personal allowance to rise to £12,500.

    Edited, forgot the £500.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054
    Should have gone for NI. Oh wait.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    There's your jumbo rabbit.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Mary Ann Seighart: That’s the Lib Dem conference buggered then.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054
    Good policy. Mega jumbo rabbit right there.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Richard_Nabavi said:



    The fact that you see anything posted on here as 'spinning' shows how out of touch with reality you are.

    Nonsense, Richard, the swing PB Tory vote will win or lose dozens of marginals! ;)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Neil said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Neil said:

    Is it too soon to breathlessly declare the speech a triumph? (I'm not watching it so need guidance on this.)

    David Cameron: Germany

    Ed Miliband = Ireland
    Ouch - is Cameron trailing that far behind Miliband's blazing economic growth figures? (Fwiw Ireland's GDP per capita is higher than Germany's ... now if only they hadnt made us pay off their stupid bond investments we'd be fine.)

    I'm talking about the football teams.

    How'd the last match in Dublin turn out?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    40p rate to £50,000
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    OblitusSumMe said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I can tell you one thing 100% for sure. UKIP's puerile and vindictive antics guarantee that Farage won't be in any debates. That may be what they want, of course.

    UKIP will have MPs as well as a high poll score in the period when participation in any debates is decided, so his claim for involvement will be stronger.

    My guess is that Miliband will be glad not to be debating Cameron, Cameron will be glad not to be debating Farage, and I'm not sure whether Clegg will be desperate enough to debate Farage just to garner a bit more attention, since that didn't go so well for the European elections.

    So the debates are unlikely to happen.
    They will just empty chair anyone not turning up, so I'm pretty sure they will. Given how much Cameron demanded them last time, he can't exactly make up excuses now.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,779
    That 40% tax threshold for me is good timing!! (got a new job starting in a few weeks).
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069

    I await your plaudits on the 40% threshold....
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054
    Possible £1800 saving for people on middle incomes. Massive policy.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    How much is the £50k 40% threshold going to cost?

    Sounds expensive
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    The normally composed Janan Ganesh: Jesus, that hike in the 40p threshold is huge
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Scrapheap_as_was said:


    I await your plaudits on the 40% threshold....

    You are the Poch of the tax world.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Toby Helm ‏@tobyhelm 1m1 minute ago
    40p tax rate only payable at 50,000 under Tories. If this speech doesn't shift polls a bit, difficult to know what will.
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  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Tax cuts paid for by in work benefits freeze and massive cuts where?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Unless the defector's George Osborne I think the tax cuts will get the headlines.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    CarlottaVance said:

    40p rate to £50,000

    Cameron's priorities in a nutshell - hardworking families struggling to get by lose hundreds a year to pay for feckless homosexuals who dont need the money to get a tax break.

    Any details on the timeframe so we know exactly how much of the low earners' benefits are being thrown to the highest earners?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited October 2014
    Osborne and Cameron doing the classic Bad Cop/Good Cop routine. Not a bad approach.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    MaxPB said:

    Possible £1800 saving for people on middle incomes. Massive policy.

    Increasing the 40% threshold is hardly targeted on C2s, though, so we see that I was write to criticise that as spin.

    Also, median earnings are a lot lower than the current 40% threshold, so moving that around has no impact on people on "middle incomes". It's a tax cut for the richest decile or two in society.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,816
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Socrates said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I can tell you one thing 100% for sure. UKIP's puerile and vindictive antics guarantee that Farage won't be in any debates. That may be what they want, of course.

    So that's how you'll try to spin Cameron's cowardice in debating Farage. It's a novel excuse, but I don't think it will convince many.
    I'm not spinning anything. I'm just giving my opinion that UKIP's vindicative behaviour will anger Cameron, and quite rightly so, and that therefore any small chance there was of Farage being in the debates is now gone. Feel free to disagree, and argue that it makes it more likely.

    The fact that you see anything posted on here as 'spinning' shows how out of touch with reality you are.
    Childishly petulant and capable of bearing a grudge as I have no doubt Cameron is, the contention that he will take a tactical decision based solely on smouldering resentment that a defection overshadowed his party conference months beforehand is utterly ridiculous. Cameron, in conjunction with Crosby, Osborne and whoever else, will decide what line he wants to push on the leaders debates based on where he thinks the advantage lies, and what he feels he can get away with, nothing more. To imagine otherwise is to do him a disservice.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    MaxPB said:

    Possible £1800 saving for people on middle incomes. Massive policy.

    It's £400 for everyone (£2k * 20%) and £2000 for higher earners (£2k * 20% + £8k * 20%).

    Ish?
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Pong said:

    How much is the £50k 40% threshold going to cost?

    Sounds expensive

    It will be very interesting to see how much this costs.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Scrapheap_as_was said:


    I await your plaudits on the 40% threshold....

    I salute your indefatigability. - Take a bow, Sir. ; )
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054
    Pong said:

    How much is the £50k 40% threshold going to cost?

    Sounds expensive

    Back of the fag packet says ~£3bn.


    Oh yes. Finally low price houses for younger first time buyers as o suggested a few months back!
  • ___Bobajob______Bobajob___ Posts: 872
    Good to see 40p coming in at £50k which will make me a lot better off.

    Hope the child benefit tax charge threshold is moved up to in tandem.

    Nice tax cut. The end of any nonsense about the Tories targetting the deficit.

    Will cost an absolute fortune.

    And so I rest my case Antifrank.

    QED.
  • hucks67hucks67 Posts: 758
    These tax changes that Cameron promises are gradual, with them being reached by 2020. They seem pretty fair to me and I cannot see why Labour plus the Lib Dems would not match these.

    It is always easier for current PM's/chancellors to make announcements as they have full access to the Treasury. Opposition parties don't gain access normally until the election is called.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Loads of new houses for first time buyers subsidised by 20% of market value by the taxpayer.

    Wow lower taxes and extra commitments out of taxpayer.

    Planet Tory
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Socrates said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I can tell you one thing 100% for sure. UKIP's puerile and vindictive antics guarantee that Farage won't be in any debates. That may be what they want, of course.

    So that's how you'll try to spin Cameron's cowardice in debating Farage. It's a novel excuse, but I don't think it will convince many.
    I'm not spinning anything. I'm just giving my opinion that UKIP's vindicative behaviour will anger Cameron, and quite rightly so, and that therefore any small chance there was of Farage being in the debates is now gone. Feel free to disagree, and argue that it makes it more likely.

    The fact that you see anything posted on here as 'spinning' shows how out of touch with reality you are.
    So you're arguing that Cameron is petulant enough that he will change what he thinks is the right strategic choice because that nasty Nigel has been mean to him? I see.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    RodCrosby said:

    MaxPB said:

    Possible £1800 saving for people on middle incomes. Massive policy.

    It's £400 for everyone (£2k * 20%) and £2000 for higher earners (£2k * 20% + £8k * 20%).

    Ish?
    He's said he's going to increase it overnight? I really, really doubt that's the case. If the aspiration is to get it there by the end of the next Parliament, for example, then the cost is much lower and the savings likewise.

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    A wonderfully snooty comment by Andrew Sparrow in his Guardian live blog:

    And lifting the 40p threshold significantly is something that will appeal enormously to what the Daily Telegraph and the Daily Mail call the middle class.

    Of course no Guardian journalist would regard a salary as low as £50K as being the 'middle'.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Angry Salmond ‏@AngrySalmond 1m1 minute ago
    Imagine having a political party that's so awful people leave it to join UKIP. #CPC14
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    bigjohnowls said:

    Loads of new houses for first time buyers subsidised by 20% of market value by the taxpayer.

    Wow lower taxes and extra commitments out of taxpayer.

    Planet Tory

    Bored with Riot Club already?
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Is that growing rumbling the sound of a herd of formerly disillusioned now ex-UKIP voters heading back to the Conservative fold?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Socrates said:

    So you're arguing that Cameron is petulant enough that he will change what he thinks is the right strategic choice because that nasty Nigel has been mean to him? I see.

    Yes, although I wouldn't put it quite like that.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054
    Did he just say who we "resent". I'm sure he did.
  • hucks67hucks67 Posts: 758
    bigjohnowls said:

    Loads of new houses for first time buyers subsidised by 20% of market value by the taxpayer.

    Wow lower taxes and extra commitments out of taxpayer.

    Planet Tory

    The Tories are gambling on a sustained recovery with tax income from increased employment, retail/business spending and stamp duty. If the economy slows down again, they would struggle to meet the promises made.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    It's curious that he cut income tax rather than national insurance...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    MaxPB said:

    Did he just say who we "resent". I'm sure he did.

    Yep.....'represent' bit of a mouthful in a mini climax...unfortunate slip of the tongue.....

  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    MaxPB said:

    Did he just say who we "resent". I'm sure he did.

    Yes he did.

  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    A wonderfully snooty comment by Andrew Sparrow in his Guardian live blog:

    And lifting the 40p threshold significantly is something that will appeal enormously to what the Daily Telegraph and the Daily Mail call the middle class.

    Of course no Guardian journalist would regard a salary as low as £50K as being the 'middle'.

    It isn't middle is it? That's more like £27K. Not saying it is or is not a bad policy but it does benefit only the top 10% to 15% of earners.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    Ed floor wiped.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054
    Socrates said:

    It's curious that he cut income tax rather than national insurance...

    As Andrew Neil said beforehand, people believe that NI pays for the NHS when it is just any other tax. There is not enough time to have that debate and educate voters that cutting NI doesn't mean cutting NHS funding.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Cut the basic rate to 19% and the higher rate to 39%. Policies that will win over lower paid and middle income people. Time to win the election.

    The top rate of tax only affects the top 15-20% of earners.

    Cutting it does nothing for "middle-income" people unless middle income has now been redefined to mean highest earners in the country.
    Teachers
    The upper end for classroom teachers is £37,000 ish, you can creep over £40,000 if you are top level and are teaching in central London. Head teachers will be happily going into 40% rate territory but no-one would class a a manager of a multi-million pound business as a "middle earner" surely?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2014
    MaxPB said:

    Did he just say who we "resent". I'm sure he did.

    He sure did!!

    While talking about the Tories being like a trade union too!!

    That was never going to be convincing in all honesty

    He lost me at "ZILCH!"
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    ___Bobajob___ said:

    Good to see 40p coming in at £50k which will make me a lot better off.

    Hope the child benefit tax charge threshold is moved up to in tandem.

    Nice tax cut. The end of any nonsense about the Tories targetting the deficit.

    Will cost an absolute fortune.

    And so I rest my case Antifrank.

    QED.

    There's none so blind as will not see.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    BenM said:

    Is that growing rumbling the sound of a herd of formerly disillusioned now ex-UKIP voters heading back to the Conservative fold?

    I doubt it.

    Not unless Cameron offered to expel all dem foreigners.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Neil said:

    RodCrosby said:

    MaxPB said:

    Possible £1800 saving for people on middle incomes. Massive policy.

    It's £400 for everyone (£2k * 20%) and £2000 for higher earners (£2k * 20% + £8k * 20%).

    Ish?
    If the aspiration is to get it there by the end of the next Parliament, for example, then the cost is much lower and the savings likewise.
    I'm sure that's the case - as with the personal allowance - in fairness they can point to their promise/record on that in this parliament.....

  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Can I point out, and probably not for the last time, that the 40p threshold rise is the policy I said a few weeks ago would be the only one that could save the Tories.
    That one's a freebie, Dave, next time I'll expect a cheque
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,816
    edited October 2014
    I said Cameron would go emotional for this speech. I'm pleased. I hope this will shore the Conservatives up where UKIP have no chance. Could also significantly improve their chances in Scotland?

    'Is that growing rumbling the sound of a herd of formerly disillusioned now ex-UKIP voters heading back to the Conservative fold?'

    However this is fantasy.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    It is not often that tears come during a political speech - but Cameron was genuinely moving then. His comments on the NHS and his personal experience were very powerful
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Sam Cam in tears?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I can see an opening for UKIP on this, they could say:
    "The government is forced to adopted UKIP policies, because people vote UKIP, the more people vote for UKIP, the more of what they want becomes government policy. Taxes, hospitals, the EU, what UKIP says in the end the government is forced to do it"
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    BenM said:

    It isn't middle is it? That's more like £27K. Not saying it is or is not a bad policy but it does benefit only the top 10% to 15% of earners.

    The overarching theme (Osborne + Cameron) is letting people keep more of their own money, rather than taking it away from them and then giving some of it back with in-work benefits. Sound Conservative stuff.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Got to say, not a fan of the emotional stuff (in general). Also think slagging off the opposition should be kept light, and not overdone.
  • ___Bobajob______Bobajob___ Posts: 872
    Why does Cam resent hard-working people? Eh?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited October 2014
    john_zims said:

    Ed floor wiped.

    I thought Cameron just cut Ed some slack - he mocked Ed Miliband for forgetting to mention the deficit in his speech. - then joked about how he once forgot his daughter down the pub.

    It sounded quite funny. ; )
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    oxfordsimon said:

    It is not often that tears come during a political speech - but Cameron was genuinely moving then. His comments on the NHS and his personal experience were very powerful

    Yes Sam looked close to tears.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 14s14 seconds ago
    Cameron in tears as he says "how dare" Labour suggest he'd put NHS at risk, given his own son Ivan's experience.

    Date night next?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    From a not uncritical friend - Lord Ashcroft: Cameron doing well today...touching all the issues....and attempting to set the battle lines...Miliband will have to respond....
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    No VAT cut on vacuum cleaners ? Kippers wont be happy. ..
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    MaxPB said:

    Socrates said:

    It's curious that he cut income tax rather than national insurance...

    As Andrew Neil said beforehand, people believe that NI pays for the NHS when it is just any other tax. There is not enough time to have that debate and educate voters that cutting NI doesn't mean cutting NHS funding.
    He could have just "merged" them, rather than cutting.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    Cameron impressive so far in my opinion.

    Targeting those who pull their socks up and want a better life with some good policies.

    He looks passionate too. UKIP have pissed him off. Cameron with his back to the wall is a force to be reckoned with.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Important for Cameron to get across the link between economic success and the NHS. If he gets that across, it'd be a major win. If not, Labour can make hay with healthcare (ahem).
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    jayfdee said:

    oxfordsimon said:

    It is not often that tears come during a political speech - but Cameron was genuinely moving then. His comments on the NHS and his personal experience were very powerful

    Yes Sam looked close to tears.
    I did shed a few - it was something very rare in politics. Genuine passion.
  • ___Bobajob______Bobajob___ Posts: 872
    Antifrank

    LOL. Indeed.

    You went for deficit reduction.

    The Tories went for a gigantic tax cut.

    Blind indeed.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Here comes the UKIP bit
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