Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
Had forgotten it was the last night of the proms this weekend. What was Salmond thinking with his timing? Surely a late swin to NO as everyone sings Rule Britannia.
As a committedly British person...I've not even noticed when it was Last night of the proms for more years than I can remember.
Could be worth some amusement at how it goes though, either way.
I was on the train out of London on the night of the Last Night, and there were people with union jacks all over the place!
I don't doubt. What stirs the fervour of one need not the other, nationalism and patriotism being funnily irrational beasts (and not so funnily on occasion of course).
A key reason for the renewed doubts about independence is fear of what might happen to people’s bank accounts. The biggest single advantage of the Union cited by “no” voters is that the UK would have the resources to step in if Scotland faced another crisis of the kind that erupted in 2008.
BT can try to scare people all they like, but when its based on half truths at best, it really isn't much of a campaign platform. The Scottish people are better than that, all BT wish to do is tell them they're second rate citizens that can't go it alone - what an incredible insult which deserves contempt and rebelling against at every opportunity, particularly a week today.
You mention half truths and then comment that BT are telling Scotland they are second rate citizens, which requires a long stretch to get even to a half truth, and only a partial truth if you take an extremely harsh interpretation of 'You would do better not going it alone' to 'You cannot go it alone because you are a weak and pathetic people' or some such interpretation.
All recent polls are well within the margin of error. imho its neck and neck and it will come down to turnout on the day.
Hmm, that makes too much sense. I declare that the result is a foregone conclusion and all but decided, and that it is reality that is changing as we continue to swing back and forth. Yes on Sunday, then back to No by Wednesday, then crossing over 5 times on the Thursday
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
By remaining in the union, Scotland would be heading head long into a sovereign debt crisis with the rest of the UK which begins from October next year. And the UK have the resources to step in - total debt to GDP in the whole of the UK is around 500%. Try seeing how many economic resources are available when economic confidence turns down. One of the many reasons why Scotland would be better off independent.
BT can try to scare people all they like, but when its based on half truths at best, it really isn't much of a campaign platform. The Scottish people are better than that, all BT wish to do is tell them they're second rate citizens that can't go it alone - what an incredible insult which deserves contempt and rebelling against at every opportunity, particularly a week today.
So your advice to Scotland is that they should try to evade their fair share of the " sovereign debt crisis .. which begins from October next year" by leaving now and the rest of us with the debt.
Well, it's a view.
In the real world people go to jail if they try to place assets out of the reach of creditors.
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
It's all going wrong for them!
In what way? have more splitters have been detected in the UKIP camp?
Tonii WILSON, Labour, 1,006 Syed Hussain AHMED, Conservative, 584 David MEARS, UK Independence Party, 215 Jane Alison LITHGOW, Green Party, 70 David THORPE, Liberal Democrat, 43 Kayode SHEDOWO, Christian People’s Alliance, 33 Mark DUNNE, Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition, 21
Total Number of votes: 1,983 Electorate total: 10,510 Turn out: 18.86% Number of valid votes: 1,972 Number of Rejected Votes: 11
By remaining in the union, Scotland would be heading head long into a sovereign debt crisis with the rest of the UK which begins from October next year. And the UK have the resources to step in - total debt to GDP in the whole of the UK is around 500%. Try seeing how many economic resources are available when economic confidence turns down. One of the many reasons why Scotland would be better off independent.
BT can try to scare people all they like, but when its based on half truths at best, it really isn't much of a campaign platform. The Scottish people are better than that, all BT wish to do is tell them they're second rate citizens that can't go it alone - what an incredible insult which deserves contempt and rebelling against at every opportunity, particularly a week today.
So your advice to Scotland is that they should try to evade their fair share of the " sovereign debt crisis .. which begins from October next year" by leaving now and the rest of us with the debt.
Well, it's a view.
In the real world people go to jail if they try to place assets out of the reach of creditors.
Well I'm sure the crisis was nothing to do with Scotland, even if it was part of the UK at the time. Somehow.
Anyway, good night all. Keep your strength up for the final stretch.
BT wish to do is tell them they're second rate citizens that can't go it alone - what an incredible insult which deserves contempt and rebelling against at every opportunity, particularly a week today.
That is just your projection of it. What the Scottish people are being told is "If you go it alone then you go it ALONE. We will not be there to help you if it all goes badly wrong. Good luck to you if you do it".
There is no insult in that, just a statement of fact.
Broon saved the world in 2009. In 2014, he saved the United Kingdom.
What a man !
Thats the tragedy of Brown, under it all, at root he is a decent man whos heart is in the right place, worth ten blairs, cleggs, or camerons. Wholly wrong type of person to be PM though in my opinion and he had to go.
If the SNP implodes, Brown might become scottish first minister.
If No wins and Salmond is left as a busted flush, I cannot see the SNP doing well in 2015 GE. The Tories may do well, particularly with the LDs also doing poorly. The Tories seem re-energised by their campaigning, so may be some gains.
I predict the Tories will gain 2 or 3 seats in scotland in 2015. The only region in Britain where they will gain seats and votes.
Of the seats that would go Tory if the results go as last Baxtered the longest shot is Edinburgh South at 66/1. A very long shot, but there are a lot of financial sector workers who are suddenly converted to the cause of Unionism...
Edinburgh South going Tory?!! Give me a break, it was lost in 1987 at the height of Thatcherism. Even if the Yes campaign narrowly loses the referendum, I still think there will be a surge in support next May for the SNP which will make it harder for either Labour or the Tories to get a majority at the next GE. The forces of separation are rising everywhere, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Scots choose to say we want none of Team Westminster to command a majority government, in order to weaken their power base further - its a perfectly a logical response
It was the poll Baxtered that flagged Edinburgh South as a Tory gain.
But if Yes lose, then a lot of the bile and venom that is being directed at No, will turn internally in the SNP. revolutions tend to consume their own in the end.
But we shall see...
The SNP have been there before after the 1979 referendum. I don't think they will do the same this time though - and even if it is a narrow no vote, then when economic confidence turns down after October next year, that will light any remaining spark required to form independence. The rising tide of separation everywhere in Europe is a firm trend that is with UKIP and the SNP - a few setbacks are only like to prove short term ones with such a strong wind behind them.
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
It's all going wrong for them!
In what way? have more splitters have been detected in the UKIP camp?
Dunno I'm just trying to fit in!
If they win Clacton but only get 2nd in Manchester it's curtains for the kippers
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
It's all going wrong for them!
In what way? have more splitters have been detected in the UKIP camp?
Dunno I'm just trying to fit in!
If they win Clacton but only get 2nd in Manchester it's curtains for the kippers
I think that Carswell being the very right wing public face of UKIP will repel a lot of the WWC voters that UKIP have recently courted.
I did not like Carswell when he was a Tory, or as a kipper, but to see him defect improved both parties.
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Please give it up Mr. Fox, with every anti-UKIP post you look ever more desperate and increasingly ridiculous.
By remaining in the union, Scotland would be heading head long into a sovereign debt crisis with the rest of the UK which begins from October next year. And the UK have the resources to step in - total debt to GDP in the whole of the UK is around 500%. Try seeing how many economic resources are available when economic confidence turns down. One of the many reasons why Scotland would be better off independent.
BT can try to scare people all they like, but when its based on half truths at best, it really isn't much of a campaign platform. The Scottish people are better than that, all BT wish to do is tell them they're second rate citizens that can't go it alone - what an incredible insult which deserves contempt and rebelling against at every opportunity, particularly a week today.
So your advice to Scotland is that they should try to evade their fair share of the " sovereign debt crisis .. which begins from October next year" by leaving now and the rest of us with the debt.
Well, it's a view.
In the real world people go to jail if they try to place assets out of the reach of creditors.
Scotland will have plenty of fiscal benefits from going alone - £4.2bn saved on their share of HS2 when not one rail, sleeper or pound of ballast is on their soil. Spain would veto any application for Scottish EU membership, so they would be £1bn better off per year from not having to fund the net contribution to the EU (their share of it), plus all the savings on avoiding EU red tape and bureaucracy / compliance with crazy laws plus lower energy bills from not being constrained by the 20% renewables target by 2020. Outside the EU they could also get much better free trade deals than what's on offer with the EU to export whisky, surpus energy etc that they do currently. Then there is 90% of the oil and gas revenues as opposed to 10% currently in the UK. On top of that they've got the Trident savings as well, reduction in their share of funding the Westminster bureaucracy as well, so there's a lot of benefits from going it alone.
What a contrast to the constant doom and gloom scaremongering of BT, with the very real risk of an almighty sovereign debt crisis from staying in the Union lying in wait just over a year down the road from now whoever wins the next GE in May.
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
It's all going wrong for them!
In what way? have more splitters have been detected in the UKIP camp?
Dunno I'm just trying to fit in!
If they win Clacton but only get 2nd in Manchester it's curtains for the kippers
I think that Carswell being the very right wing public face of UKIP will repel a lot of the WWC voters that UKIP have recently courted.
I did not like Carswell when he was a Tory, or as a kipper, but to see him defect improved both parties.
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
It's all going wrong for them!
In what way? have more splitters have been detected in the UKIP camp?
Dunno I'm just trying to fit in!
If they win Clacton but only get 2nd in Manchester it's curtains for the kippers
I think that Carswell being the very right wing public face of UKIP will repel a lot of the WWC voters that UKIP have recently courted.
I did not like Carswell when he was a Tory, or as a kipper, but to see him defect improved both parties.
I'm sure you hope so but Clacton is a very WWC place, and Carswell is extremely popular with them... I think you better hope some more!
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Please give it up Mr. Fox, with every anti-UKIP post you look ever more desperate and increasingly ridiculous.
I am in a majority. Polls show that UKIP are the most disliked mainstream party in the country.
Kippers are very good at looking ridiculous, with Neil Hamilton as deputy chair, and splitters everywhere, not to mention a manifesto that their own leader did not bother reading.
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Please give it up Mr. Fox, with every anti-UKIP post you look ever more desperate and increasingly ridiculous.
I am in a majority. Polls show that UKIP are the most disliked mainstream party in the country.
Kippers are very good at looking ridiculous, with Neil Hamilton as deputy chair, and splitters everywhere, not to mention a manifesto that their own leader did not bother reading.
I'm sorry to have to correct your every post, but Farage wasn't leader when that manifesto was written
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
It's all going wrong for them!
In what way? have more splitters have been detected in the UKIP camp?
Dunno I'm just trying to fit in!
If they win Clacton but only get 2nd in Manchester it's curtains for the kippers
I think that Carswell being the very right wing public face of UKIP will repel a lot of the WWC voters that UKIP have recently courted.
I did not like Carswell when he was a Tory, or as a kipper, but to see him defect improved both parties.
I suspect Carswell's support in recent polls is vastly overstated and was just a function of the hullabaloo in the aftermath of his defection. I fail to see how a Tory with a funnily shaped mouth who specializes in esoteric localist thought experiments can have that much of a cult following.
hunchman says - ''all BT wish to do is tell them they're second rate citizens that can't go it alone - what an incredible insult which deserves contempt''
I am afraid that remark, so full of dissembling and disingenuity, is what deserves contempt. If Scotland were to become independent it deserves better advocacy than that.
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Please give it up Mr. Fox, with every anti-UKIP post you look ever more desperate and increasingly ridiculous.
I am in a majority. Polls show that UKIP are the most disliked mainstream party in the country.
Kippers are very good at looking ridiculous, with Neil Hamilton as deputy chair, and splitters everywhere, not to mention a manifesto that their own leader did not bother reading.
Oh dear!
Think the polls will tell you that UKIP are much more popular than your bunch of perjurors (Huhne), anti-Semites (Ward), child molesters (Hancock), sex pests (Rennard), con merchants (Laws) and traitors (all of them)
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Please give it up Mr. Fox, with every anti-UKIP post you look ever more desperate and increasingly ridiculous.
I am in a majority. Polls show that UKIP are the most disliked mainstream party in the country.
Kippers are very good at looking ridiculous, with Neil Hamilton as deputy chair, and splitters everywhere, not to mention a manifesto that their own leader did not bother reading.
I'm sorry to have to correct your every post, but Farage wasn't leader when that manifesto was written
He was a candidate, who came third behind a pro-EU tory in that election, maybe he would have done better if he had read his own manifesto.
Carwell has a hard right agenda to cut privatise the welfare state and NHS. Try selling that on the doorsteps of Rotherham.
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
It's all going wrong for them!
In what way? have more splitters have been detected in the UKIP camp?
Dunno I'm just trying to fit in!
If they win Clacton but only get 2nd in Manchester it's curtains for the kippers
I think that Carswell being the very right wing public face of UKIP will repel a lot of the WWC voters that UKIP have recently courted.
I did not like Carswell when he was a Tory, or as a kipper, but to see him defect improved both parties.
I suspect Carswell's support in recent polls is vastly overstated and was just a function of the hullabaloo in the aftermath of his defection. I fail to see how a Tory with a funnily shaped mouth who specializes in esoteric localist thought experiments can have that much of a cult following.
He's so unpopular he turned an 800 majority into 12,000
Mr Salmond said the Yes camp had approached the campaign with humility. I quite enjoyed that because if you have to say it, well, you know. But I didn’t dare laugh because this was a strange press conference in that it was packed with Yes supporters who heckled questions they didn’t like.
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Please give it up Mr. Fox, with every anti-UKIP post you look ever more desperate and increasingly ridiculous.
I am in a majority. Polls show that UKIP are the most disliked mainstream party in the country.
Kippers are very good at looking ridiculous, with Neil Hamilton as deputy chair, and splitters everywhere, not to mention a manifesto that their own leader did not bother reading.
I'm sorry to have to correct your every post, but Farage wasn't leader when that manifesto was written
He was a candidate, who came third behind a pro-EU tory in that election, maybe he would have done better if he had read his own manifesto.
Carwell has a hard right agenda to cut privatise the welfare state and NHS. Try selling that on the doorsteps of Rotherham.
I think Recent events have done UKIPs work for them in Rotherham
BT can try to scare people all they like, but when its based on half truths at best, it really isn't much of a campaign platform. The Scottish people are better than that, all BT wish to do is tell them they're second rate citizens that can't go it alone - what an incredible insult which deserves contempt and rebelling against at every opportunity, particularly a week today.
If truth is a desirable characteristic, then why is Salmond lying to the Scottish people by telling them that a currency union is an option? If Scotland can go it alone, then why is walking away from its share of the debt being considered?
It needn't have been like this. A honest case for independence can be made. It's possible that in a stable West after the Cold War, smaller nations may be optimal and a single polity of 5million may suit the Scottish people more than a larger one of 65million. There would be dislocation costs (quite large, imo) but it would recover and may thrive: it's not clear-cut and the morale booster of living in the early days of a better nation may lead to greater happiness.
But we didn't get that, did we?
What we got was some numpty saying East Germany joined the EU[1], that Scotland was a member of the EU[2], that a currency union can be coerced,[3] and that iScotland can renege on the debt.[4] These were lies to the Scottish people, who deserved the facts so they could make the best decision about their lives.
[1] It joined (West) Germany, which was already a member [2] It isn't. The UK is a member. [3] No i can't: the risk is too big [4] No debt assumption, no independence:
hunchman says - ''all BT wish to do is tell them they're second rate citizens that can't go it alone - what an incredible insult which deserves contempt''
I am afraid that remark, so full of dissembling and disingenuity, is what deserves contempt. If Scotland were to become independent it deserves better advocacy than that.
"The Scots are too poor to become an independent nation" "The Scots are too stupid to become an independent nation" "The Scots are too anti-English to become an independent nation"
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Please give it up Mr. Fox, with every anti-UKIP post you look ever more desperate and increasingly ridiculous.
I am in a majority. Polls show that UKIP are the most disliked mainstream party in the country.
Kippers are very good at looking ridiculous, with Neil Hamilton as deputy chair, and splitters everywhere, not to mention a manifesto that their own leader did not bother reading.
I'm sorry to have to correct your every post, but Farage wasn't leader when that manifesto was written
He was a candidate, who came third behind a pro-EU tory in that election, maybe he would have done better if he had read his own manifesto.
Carwell has a hard right agenda to cut privatise the welfare state and NHS. Try selling that on the doorsteps of Rotherham.
Out of interest Mr. Fox do you work solely for the NHS or do you carry out any private work?
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Please give it up Mr. Fox, with every anti-UKIP post you look ever more desperate and increasingly ridiculous.
I am in a majority. Polls show that UKIP are the most disliked mainstream party in the country.
Kippers are very good at looking ridiculous, with Neil Hamilton as deputy chair, and splitters everywhere, not to mention a manifesto that their own leader did not bother reading.
Oh dear!
Think the polls will tell you that UKIP are much more popular than your bunch of perjurors (Huhne), anti-Semites (Ward), child molesters (Hancock), sex pests (Rennard), con merchants (Laws) and traitors (all of them)
The polls will change, they always do, and there will be more LD MPs than UKIP ones next year. I have never defended any of the people that you mention, and have criticised all of them over the last few years.
Seeing Carwell sitting alongside the Labour party on the opposition benches will be a prologue to seeing UKIP put Miliband and Balls into power. Then in 2015 Carswell will be sharing the opposition benches with Mr Clegg again. Oh! the irony, and politics does make for strange bedfellows...
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Please give it up Mr. Fox, with every anti-UKIP post you look ever more desperate and increasingly ridiculous.
I am in a majority. Polls show that UKIP are the most disliked mainstream party in the country.
Kippers are very good at looking ridiculous, with Neil Hamilton as deputy chair, and splitters everywhere, not to mention a manifesto that their own leader did not bother reading.
I'm sorry to have to correct your every post, but Farage wasn't leader when that manifesto was written
He was a candidate, who came third behind a pro-EU tory in that election, maybe he would have done better if he had read his own manifesto.
Carwell has a hard right agenda to cut privatise the welfare state and NHS. Try selling that on the doorsteps of Rotherham.
Out of interest Mr. Fox do you work solely for the NHS or do you carry out any private work?
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Please give it up Mr. Fox, with every anti-UKIP post you look ever more desperate and increasingly ridiculous.
I am in a majority. Polls show that UKIP are the most disliked mainstream party in the country.
Kippers are very good at looking ridiculous, with Neil Hamilton as deputy chair, and splitters everywhere, not to mention a manifesto that their own leader did not bother reading.
Oh dear!
Think the polls will tell you that UKIP are much more popular than your bunch of perjurors (Huhne), anti-Semites (Ward), child molesters (Hancock), sex pests (Rennard), con merchants (Laws) and traitors (all of them)
The polls will change, they always do, and there will be more LD MPs than UKIP ones next year. I have never defended any of the people that you mention, and have criticised all of them over the last few years.
Seeing Carwell sitting alongside the Labour party on the opposition benches will be a prologue to seeing UKIP put Miliband and Balls into power. Then in 2015 Carswell will be sharing the opposition benches with Mr Clegg again. Oh! the irony, and politics does make for strange bedfellows...
He has principles, a noble concept that is way beyond the comprehension of a Lib Dem.
Looks like the Yes momentum has now stalled and started to reverse. Was an interesting debate tonight with Galloway and Sturgeon battling each other hard, and Sunil no he is not, he thinks Nicola Sturgeon is a Tartan Thatcher.
Also, attended an excellent concert tonight by Tony Bennett at Birmingham Symphony Hall
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Please give it up Mr. Fox, with every anti-UKIP post you look ever more desperate and increasingly ridiculous.
I am in a majority. Polls show that UKIP are the most disliked mainstream party in the country.
Kippers are very good at looking ridiculous, with Neil Hamilton as deputy chair, and splitters everywhere, not to mention a manifesto that their own leader did not bother reading.
I'm sorry to have to correct your every post, but Farage wasn't leader when that manifesto was written
He was a candidate, who came third behind a pro-EU tory in that election, maybe he would have done better if he had read his own manifesto.
Carwell has a hard right agenda to cut privatise the welfare state and NHS. Try selling that on the doorsteps of Rotherham.
Out of interest Mr. Fox do you work solely for the NHS or do you carry out any private work?
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Please give it up Mr. Fox, with every anti-UKIP post you look ever more desperate and increasingly ridiculous.
I am in a majority. Polls show that UKIP are the most disliked mainstream party in the country.
Kippers are very good at looking ridiculous, with Neil Hamilton as deputy chair, and splitters everywhere, not to mention a manifesto that their own leader did not bother reading.
Oh dear!
Think the polls will tell you that UKIP are much more popular than your bunch of perjurors (Huhne), anti-Semites (Ward), child molesters (Hancock), sex pests (Rennard), con merchants (Laws) and traitors (all of them)
The polls will change, they always do, and there will be more LD MPs than UKIP ones next year. I have never defended any of the people that you mention, and have criticised all of them over the last few years.
Seeing Carwell sitting alongside the Labour party on the opposition benches will be a prologue to seeing UKIP put Miliband and Balls into power. Then in 2015 Carswell will be sharing the opposition benches with Mr Clegg again. Oh! the irony, and politics does make for strange bedfellows...
BT can try to scare people all they like, but when its based on half truths at best, it really isn't much of a campaign platform. The Scottish people are better than that, all BT wish to do is tell them they're second rate citizens that can't go it alone - what an incredible insult which deserves contempt and rebelling against at every opportunity, particularly a week today.
If truth is a desirable characteristic, then why is Salmond lying to the Scottish people by telling them that a currency union is an option? If Scotland can go it alone, then why is walking away from its share of the debt being considered?
It needn't have been like this. A honest case for independence can be made. It's possible that in a stable West after the Cold War, smaller nations may be optimal and a single polity of 5million may suit the Scottish people more than a larger one of 65million. There would be dislocation costs (quite large, imo) but it would recover and may thrive: it's not clear-cut and the morale booster of living in the early days of a better nation may lead to greater happiness.
But we didn't get that, did we?
What we got was some numpty saying East Germany joined the EU[1], that Scotland was a member of the EU[2], that a currency union can be coerced,[3] and that iScotland can renege on the debt.[4] These were lies to the Scottish people, who deserved the facts so they could make the best decision about their lives.
[1] It joined (West) Germany, which was already a member [2] It isn't. The UK is a member. [3] No i can't: the risk is too big [4] No debt assumption, no independence:
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Please give it up Mr. Fox, with every anti-UKIP post you look ever more desperate and increasingly ridiculous.
I am in a majority. Polls show that UKIP are the most disliked mainstream party in the country.
Kippers are very good at looking ridiculous, with Neil Hamilton as deputy chair, and splitters everywhere, not to mention a manifesto that their own leader did not bother reading.
I'm sorry to have to correct your every post, but Farage wasn't leader when that manifesto was written
Are you taking lessons from Alex Salmond? Farage resigned as leader in Sept 2009 but was leader again 12 months later after the 2010 general election. Are you saying he could not care less about the UKIP manifesto? He campaigned on behalf of UKIP for a seat in parliament without bothering to read his own party's manifesto and if he did read it he thought it was rubbish. So just what (apart from Nigel Farage) does Nigel Farage believe in? if youn look at his miserable record in Westminster elections you can understand his eagerness to forget the EU and pander to the lowest common denominator of prejudice he can find.
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Please .
I am in a majority.
I'm sorry to have to correct your every post, but Farage wasn't leader when that manifesto was written
.
Out of interest Mr. Fox do you work solely for the NHS or do you carry out any private work?
I do a bit of both, but mostly NHS.
A hypocritical Lib Dem, who'd a thought it?
Nothing hypocritical about it, Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dems all advocated increased use of the private sector in health care in their last electoral manifestos. But even if they did want to ban it, one has to work in the environment that one finds oneself in.
I started doing some private work when Tony Blair was PM, as it did look as if the Labour Party was going to break up the NHS by means of its internal market. If it did so, I did not want to be sold off like a serf to some US corporation, as an artisan my skills are where the value is, and like everyone else (apart from Salmond) there is a need for a back up plan.
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
It's all going wrong for them!
In what way? have more splitters have been detected in the UKIP camp?
Dunno I'm just trying to fit in!
If they win Clacton but only get 2nd in Manchester it's curtains for the kippers
I think that Carswell being the very right wing public face of UKIP will repel a lot of the WWC voters that UKIP have recently courted.
I did not like Carswell when he was a Tory, or as a kipper, but to see him defect improved both parties.
I'm sure you hope so but Clacton is a very WWC place, and Carswell is extremely popular with them... I think you better hope some more!
Clacton is actually full of 'people' - its you that wants to package them in black shirts
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
It's all going wrong for them!
In what way? have more splitters have been detected in the UKIP camp?
Dunno I'm just trying to fit in!
If they win Clacton but only get 2nd in Manchester it's curtains for the kippers
I think that Carswell being the very right wing public face of UKIP will repel a lot of the WWC voters that UKIP have recently courted.
I did not like Carswell when he was a Tory, or as a kipper, but to see him defect improved both parties.
I'm sure you hope so but Clacton is a very WWC place, and Carswell is extremely popular with them... I think you better hope some more!
Clacton is actually full of 'people' - its you that wants to package them in black shirts
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Please .
I am in a majority.
I'm sorry to have to correct your every post, but Farage wasn't leader when that manifesto was written
.
Out of interest Mr. Fox do you work solely for the NHS or do you carry out any private work?
I do a bit of both, but mostly NHS.
A hypocritical Lib Dem, who'd a thought it?
Nothing hypocritical about it, Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dems all advocated increased use of the private sector in health care in their last electoral manifestos. But even if they did want to ban it, one has to work in the environment that one finds oneself in.
I started doing some private work when Tony Blair was PM, as it did look as if the Labour Party was going to break up the NHS by means of its internal market. If it did so, I did not want to be sold off like a serf to some US corporation, as an artisan my skills are where the value is, and like everyone else (apart from Salmond) there is a need for a back up plan.
So looking after number one is the priority, think we all understand you now.
Looking hopeful for No, but I'd wait to see the next poll before declaring a widening gap. The Brown Home Rule speech seems to be the event that turned the tide, but events sometimes wear off after a few days.
By remaining in the union, Scotland would be heading head long into a sovereign debt crisis with the rest of the UK which begins from October next year. And the UK have the resources to step in - total debt to GDP in the whole of the UK is around 500%. Try seeing how many economic resources are available when economic confidence turns down. One of the many reasons why Scotland would be better off independent.
....
So your advice to Scotland is that they should try to evade their fair share of the " sovereign debt crisis .. which begins from October next year" by leaving now and the rest of us with the debt.
Well, it's a view.
In the real world people go to jail if they try to place assets out of the reach of creditors.
Scotland will have plenty of fiscal benefits from going alone - £4.2bn saved on their share of HS2 when not one rail, sleeper or pound of ballast is on their soil. Spain would veto any application for Scottish EU membership, so they would be £1bn better off per year from not having to fund the net contribution to the EU (their share of it), plus all the savings on avoiding EU red tape and bureaucracy / compliance with crazy laws plus lower energy bills from not being constrained by the 20% renewables target by 2020. Outside the EU they could also get much better free trade deals than what's on offer with the EU to export whisky, surpus energy etc that they do currently. Then there is 90% of the oil and gas revenues as opposed to 10% currently in the UK. On top of that they've got the Trident savings as well, reduction in their share of funding the Westminster bureaucracy as well, so there's a lot of benefits from going it alone.
What a contrast to the constant doom and gloom scaremongering of BT, with the very real risk of an almighty sovereign debt crisis from staying in the Union lying in wait just over a year down the road from now whoever wins the next GE in May.
Scotland has its own transport budget for transport projects in Scotland. HS2 from London to Manchester and Leeds will not be paid for by Scottish money. Even now if Scotland want HS2 to reach Glasgow and Edinburgh then it will have to find the budget itself from its own budgets. This would be the same if independent. To you it seems 'independence' means 'isolation'. Good luck with that. You also have a peculiar notion of what a free trade deal is. I suggest you look at how much Norway contributes to the EU in return for access to the EU single market and all its regulations. But I thought Salmond loved the EU anyway.
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
It's all going wrong for them!
In what way? have more splitters have been detected in the UKIP camp?
Dunno I'm just trying to fit in!
If they win Clacton but only get 2nd in Manchester it's curtains for the kippers
I think that Carswell being the very right wing public face of UKIP will repel a lot of the WWC voters that UKIP have recently courted.
I did not like Carswell when he was a Tory, or as a kipper, but to see him defect improved both parties.
I'm sure you hope so but Clacton is a very WWC place, and Carswell is extremely popular with them... I think you better hope some more!
Clacton is actually full of 'people' - its you that wants to package them in black shirts
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Please give it up Mr. Fox, with every anti-UKIP post you look ever more desperate and increasingly ridiculous.
I am in a majority. Polls show that UKIP are the most disliked mainstream party in the country.
Kippers are very good at looking ridiculous, with Neil Hamilton as deputy chair, and splitters everywhere, not to mention a manifesto that their own leader did not bother reading.
I'm sorry to have to correct your every post, but Farage wasn't leader when that manifesto was written
Are you taking lessons from Alex Salmond? Farage resigned as leader in Sept 2009 but was leader again 12 months later after the 2010 general election. Are you saying he could not care less about the UKIP manifesto? He campaigned on behalf of UKIP for a seat in parliament without bothering to read his own party's manifesto and if he did read it he thought it was rubbish. So just what (apart from Nigel Farage) does Nigel Farage believe in? if youn look at his miserable record in Westminster elections you can understand his eagerness to forget the EU and pander to the lowest common denominator of prejudice he can find.
He wasn't leader at the last GE that's all I said, and it's true
Looking hopeful for No, but I'd wait to see the next poll before declaring a widening gap. The Brown Home Rule speech seems to be the event that turned the tide, but events sometimes wear off after a few days.
What odds Brown standing down from Westminster in 2015 and leading Scottish Labour to victory in 2016....?
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
But he is a local councillor, supporter of the theatre and charities and seems a very good candidate in ordinary circumstances. It will be an interesting contest. I wonder what his position on the EU is.
I agree though about Bread. It was a bit lame.
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
It's all going wrong for them!
In what way? have more splitters have been detected in the UKIP camp?
Dunno I'm just trying to fit in!
If they win Clacton but only get 2nd in Manchester it's curtains for the kippers
I think that Carswell being the very right wing public face of UKIP will repel a lot of the WWC voters that UKIP have recently courted.
I did not like Carswell when he was a Tory, or as a kipper, but to see him defect improved both parties.
I'm sure you hope so but Clacton is a very WWC place, and Carswell is extremely popular with them... I think you better hope some more!
Clacton is actually full of 'people' - its you that wants to package them in black shirts
Boooooring
You are the one categorisng people and bringing colour into it. I would sooner be boring than what you are.
Weird, I see the most read story is "Scotland 'on cusp of making history' ". That Bread star is nowhere on the BBC top 10 read pieces.
However it iswebsite.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Please .
I am in a majority.
I'm sorry to have to correct your every post, but Farage wasn't leader when that manifesto was written
.
Out of interest Mr. Fox do you work solely for the NHS or do you carry out any private work?
I do a bit of both, but mostly NHS.
A hypocritical Lib Dem, who'd a thought it?
Nothing hypocritical about it, Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dems all advocated increased use of the private sector in health care in their last electoral manifestos. But even if they did want to ban it, one has to work in the environment that one finds oneself in.
I started doing some private work when Tony Blair was PM, as it did look as if the Labour Party was going to break up the NHS by means of its internal market. If it did so, I did not want to be sold off like a serf to some US corporation, as an artisan my skills are where the value is, and like everyone else (apart from Salmond) there is a need for a back up plan.
So looking after number one is the priority, think we all understand you now.
It is important to look after the finances, if you want to be able to look after anything else. I am an orange booker!
But I enjoy working in the NHS. I have great colleagues, enjoy teaching at the medical school and relish being able to help the rich tapestry of life that is the British public. I love my job.
For me as a Scot voting in the Indy Referendum, the difficult questions and hard facts are not scare tactics. As I pointed out on twitter earlier, any poll which had more women backing Yes #IndyRef should have been treated with caution, women, young & over 55's will vote No in comfortable numbers.
Looking hopeful for No, but I'd wait to see the next poll before declaring a widening gap. The Brown Home Rule speech seems to be the event that turned the tide, but events sometimes wear off after a few days.
That and the interventions by business since - however I agree this could wear off and Salmond and his gang will tug on heart strings constantly. Unionists of all persuasions really can't relax until polling stations close.
Conservatives have selected their new candidate for Labour's number one target seat in North Warwickshire: Craig Tracey. The Tory majority is 54 votes. Previous Labour MP Mike O'Brien is standing again.
However it is on No.13 most popular stories on the Clacton and Frinton gazette website.
After his experiences in 'Bread' I'm sure he'll be ready to be a bit-part player in the by election
When he gets a good hiding in the election the Clacton Tories will be toast!
Very droll,
He will get a spanning
Ukip will have won the euros and have an MP by the autumn... Where did 2014 all go wrong for them?
UKIP are a blind alley, always have been and always will be. Carswell is tilting at windmills.
But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Please .
I am in a majority.
I'm sorry to have to correct your every post, but Farage wasn't leader when that manifesto was written
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Out of interest Mr. Fox do you work solely for the NHS or do you carry out any private work?
I do a bit of both, but mostly NHS.
A hypocritical Lib Dem, who'd a thought it?
Nothing hypocritical about it, Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dems all advocated increased use of the private sector in health care in their last electoral manifestos. But even if they did want to ban it, one has to work in the environment that one finds oneself in.
I started doing some private work when Tony Blair was PM, as it did look as if the Labour Party was going to break up the NHS by means of its internal market. If it did so, I did not want to be sold off like a serf to some US corporation, as an artisan my skills are where the value is, and like everyone else (apart from Salmond) there is a need for a back up plan.
So looking after number one is the priority, think we all understand you now.
What he said was not 'looking after number one'. Everyone is entitled to look for a promotion, for a better job, even when working in the public sector. Thousands of people look for better jobs all the time.
Looking hopeful for No, but I'd wait to see the next poll before declaring a widening gap. The Brown Home Rule speech seems to be the event that turned the tide, but events sometimes wear off after a few days.
I think the panic and Browns rash promises were just embarassing.
If the tide changed (and it is yet to be proven) it was the more prosaic fading of a debate bounce combined with a spooking of the banks and other employers.
Incidentally, I think that the Scottish financial sector will always be damaged goods after the campaign. It will not just revert to business as usual.
Are we getting the ICM tonight? or is that tomorrow night?
Their polls have been for Scotland on Sunday so I was expecting it Saturday night.
The one trailed was a telephone poll, which is not what SoS usually do?
Was it? I missed that (been out all day). Yes, the usual SoS ones have been internet ones. But the last SoS one was their penultimate one so presumably they have one on Sunday too? So are ICM really doing two polls this week? Or are they switching methodology? Or producing two "final" polls? All will be revealed I'm sure!
No it didn't, Brown was just another Scots politician in a long line who have hit the campaign trail. And it would be very misleading to try to portray his intervention as being in any way pivotal in the campaign. Like the 2010 GE, some try to give Gordon Brown the plaudits for a Labour result that was almost entirely delivered by Jim Murphy. But hey, maybe I should just shut up and butt out, and let the Labour party keep repeating the same mistakes when it comes to overestimating Gordon Brown while underestimating Murpy or Darling.
A whole host of politicians across the political spectrum have had a good BT campaign, remember Darling in the first TV debate with Salmond? Jim Murphy with his street campaign? Ruth Davidson has been playing a blinder and impressing with her contribution. If anything, Brown's more powers contribution has been a real turn off up here, and down South too, possible causing some divisive damage in the longer term. I just wanted to shout shut up when I saw what he was up to, really depressing. Its the tough questions and hard facts of what Independence would really mean that is winning the arguments up here, not yet more devolved powers in the future.
Looking hopeful for No, but I'd wait to see the next poll before declaring a widening gap. The Brown Home Rule speech seems to be the event that turned the tide, but events sometimes wear off after a few days.
Looking hopeful for No, but I'd wait to see the next poll before declaring a widening gap. The Brown Home Rule speech seems to be the event that turned the tide, but events sometimes wear off after a few days.
I think the panic and Browns rash promises were just embarassing.
If the tide changed (and it is yet to be proven) it was the more prosaic fading of a debate bounce combined with a spooking of the banks and other employers.
Timing not quite right for that - the employer scare started after most of the fieldwork for the previous poll which showed a shift to No. It seems to me plausible enough - regardless of what any of us may think, it's reasonable to suppose that the shift has been in Scottish Labour voters (the Tories were already 92% No) and that they tend to be influenced by Gordon.
Looking hopeful for No, but I'd wait to see the next poll before declaring a widening gap. The Brown Home Rule speech seems to be the event that turned the tide, but events sometimes wear off after a few days.
What odds Brown standing down from Westminster in 2015 and leading Scottish Labour to victory in 2016....?
Seems a good idea to me! Much more fun from his point of view than just being a backbench MP. I expect he'd have some delicate moments with potential PM Miliband, but a little creative tension's not always a bad thing.
Seems a good idea to me! Much more fun from his point of view than just being a backbench MP. I expect he'd have some delicate moments with potential PM Miliband, but a little creative tension's not always a bad thing.
Send him a postcard with the suggestion and tell him if it comes off he can take the two of us out for cocktails somewhere fancy in Edinburgh for coming up with the plan.
It would solve Scottish Labour's lack of top talent problem!
And it would turn Scotland into such a basket case they couldnt consider independence again for another 300 years!
Absolutely bang on the money with that post Fox. I have only been able to dip in and out of PB in recent weeks, but I clearly picked up the reaction and resentment of some of the posters on here to Brown's rash promises on here. IMHO, his last ditch intervention will end up yet again causing resentment and division, and therefore more wider long term damage within UK in the longer term. It was and remains the Economy stupid, not more devolved powers. I agreed with Richard Nabavi at the time, that few days were it all went a bit Corporeal Jones was just embarrassing, and I am a passionate No supporter.
Looking hopeful for No, but I'd wait to see the next poll before declaring a widening gap. The Brown Home Rule speech seems to be the event that turned the tide, but events sometimes wear off after a few days.
I think the panic and Browns rash promises were just embarassing.
If the tide changed (and it is yet to be proven) it was the more prosaic fading of a debate bounce combined with a spooking of the banks and other employers.
Incidentally, I think that the Scottish financial sector will always be damaged goods after the campaign. It will not just revert to business as usual.
Looking hopeful for No, but I'd wait to see the next poll before declaring a widening gap. The Brown Home Rule speech seems to be the event that turned the tide, but events sometimes wear off after a few days.
I think the panic and Browns rash promises were just embarassing.
If the tide changed (and it is yet to be proven) it was the more prosaic fading of a debate bounce combined with a spooking of the banks and other employers.
Incidentally, I think that the Scottish financial sector will always be damaged goods after the campaign. It will not just revert to business as usual.
Amen to that.
Given the other polling evidence, surely the previous YouGov was the outlier and this just brings YouGov back into line with other polling companies - the "Yes lead that never was".....
It may be a bitter truth for advocates of independence, but an independent Scotland would remain heavily dependent on rUK in a large number of ways. These ways are important for iScotland, but not particularly for its much larger neighbour. To secure an advantageous ongoing arrangement, it has to be able to make convincing proposals to rUK that deliver things rUK wants or needs – and the list of those, once there has been a Yes vote, is small. The upsides of a velvet divorce for Scotland are huge, and the downsides of the opposite – a grinding-wheel divorce? – even larger. But if a divorce is happening, its nature simply does not matter much to rUK. If there are independence negotiations, iScotland will essentially be a supplicant to rUK, so weak that it largely has to accept what rUK offers. Scottish voters need to bear that in mind when they head to the poll.
The Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain (Marxist-Leninist) says Yes. The Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist) says No.
Both purport to be unreconstructed hardline anti-revisionist parties and both would have judged the question according to the criteria set out by Stalin: "community of language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up".
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But it will be fun to see him upstaging Farage.
Lab 389 Con 245 UKIP 235 LibDem 112 Green 51
Well, it's a view.
In the real world people go to jail if they try to place assets out of the reach of creditors.
Tonii WILSON, Labour, 1,006
Syed Hussain AHMED, Conservative, 584
David MEARS, UK Independence Party, 215
Jane Alison LITHGOW, Green Party, 70
David THORPE, Liberal Democrat, 43
Kayode SHEDOWO, Christian People’s Alliance, 33
Mark DUNNE, Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition, 21
Total Number of votes: 1,983
Electorate total: 10,510
Turn out: 18.86%
Number of valid votes: 1,972
Number of Rejected Votes: 11
Anyway, good night all. Keep your strength up for the final stretch.
There is no insult in that, just a statement of fact.
If they win Clacton but only get 2nd in Manchester it's curtains for the kippers
"The Sun will go supernova and destroy the entire solar system if Scotland votes YES!"
The Sun will NOT go Supernova if that is the settled will of the Scottish peeple (sic)
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/217449-senate-republicans-block-constitutional-amendment-on-campaign
"HM Queen will have a massive heart attack and die if Scotland votes YES!"
Conservative 568 Independent 476 UKIP 218 Labour 118
Labour held Ollerton with 58% of the vote according to Sherwood PPC
I did not like Carswell when he was a Tory, or as a kipper, but to see him defect improved both parties.
What a contrast to the constant doom and gloom scaremongering of BT, with the very real risk of an almighty sovereign debt crisis from staying in the Union lying in wait just over a year down the road from now whoever wins the next GE in May.
"There will be all-out global thermonuclear war if Scotland votes YES!"
Kippers are very good at looking ridiculous, with Neil Hamilton as deputy chair, and splitters everywhere, not to mention a manifesto that their own leader did not bother reading.
I am afraid that remark, so full of dissembling and disingenuity, is what deserves contempt. If Scotland were to become independent it deserves better advocacy than that.
Think the polls will tell you that UKIP are much more popular than your bunch of perjurors (Huhne), anti-Semites (Ward), child molesters (Hancock), sex pests (Rennard), con merchants (Laws) and traitors (all of them)
Carwell has a hard right agenda to cut privatise the welfare state and NHS. Try selling that on the doorsteps of Rotherham.
If Scotland can go it alone, then why is walking away from its share of the debt being considered?
It needn't have been like this. A honest case for independence can be made. It's possible that in a stable West after the Cold War, smaller nations may be optimal and a single polity of 5million may suit the Scottish people more than a larger one of 65million. There would be dislocation costs (quite large, imo) but it would recover and may thrive: it's not clear-cut and the morale booster of living in the early days of a better nation may lead to greater happiness.
But we didn't get that, did we?
What we got was some numpty saying East Germany joined the EU[1], that Scotland was a member of the EU[2], that a currency union can be coerced,[3] and that iScotland can renege on the debt.[4] These were lies to the Scottish people, who deserved the facts so they could make the best decision about their lives.
[1] It joined (West) Germany, which was already a member
[2] It isn't. The UK is a member.
[3] No i can't: the risk is too big
[4] No debt assumption, no independence:
"The Scots are too stupid to become an independent nation"
"The Scots are too anti-English to become an independent nation"
Seeing Carwell sitting alongside the Labour party on the opposition benches will be a prologue to seeing UKIP put Miliband and Balls into power. Then in 2015 Carswell will be sharing the opposition benches with Mr Clegg again. Oh! the irony, and politics does make for strange bedfellows...
Also, attended an excellent concert tonight by Tony Bennett at Birmingham Symphony Hall
So just what (apart from Nigel Farage) does Nigel Farage believe in? if youn look at his miserable record in Westminster elections you can understand his eagerness to forget the EU and pander to the lowest common denominator of prejudice he can find.
I started doing some private work when Tony Blair was PM, as it did look as if the Labour Party was going to break up the NHS by means of its internal market. If it did so, I did not want to be sold off like a serf to some US corporation, as an artisan my skills are where the value is, and like everyone else (apart from Salmond) there is a need for a back up plan.
He'll be an mp after the next one though
Gnight x
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If the tide changed (and it is yet to be proven) it was the more prosaic fading of a debate bounce combined with a spooking of the banks and other employers.
Incidentally, I think that the Scottish financial sector will always be damaged goods after the campaign. It will not just revert to business as usual.
Kim Jong Un for Yes?
A whole host of politicians across the political spectrum have had a good BT campaign, remember Darling in the first TV debate with Salmond? Jim Murphy with his street campaign? Ruth Davidson has been playing a blinder and impressing with her contribution. If anything, Brown's more powers contribution has been a real turn off up here, and down South too, possible causing some divisive damage in the longer term. I just wanted to shout shut up when I saw what he was up to, really depressing. Its the tough questions and hard facts of what Independence would really mean that is winning the arguments up here, not yet more devolved powers in the future.
It would solve Scottish Labour's lack of top talent problem!
And it would turn Scotland into such a basket case they couldnt consider independence again for another 300 years!
Given the other polling evidence, surely the previous YouGov was the outlier and this just brings YouGov back into line with other polling companies - the "Yes lead that never was".....
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Support for YES still strong amongst men according to YouGov. 54% back independence against only 42% of women"
http://devolutionmatters.wordpress.com/2014/09/09/negotiations-after-a-scottish-referendum-yes-vote/
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The Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist) says No.
Both purport to be unreconstructed hardline anti-revisionist parties and both would have judged the question according to the criteria set out by Stalin: "community of language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up".