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As ever this is one poll, but since the second debate, it would appear the momentum is very much with Yes. It is the first poll to have Yes ahead since last September.
Second? Like I hope 'Yes' are on 19th September I still think No will win out due to higher turnout from their supporters, the worry of this poll and a wobble from enough Yes supporters. The situation will need careful management post-result though for all the UK.
Betfair Sportsbook has Yes at 3.75. Betfair Exhange has Yes at 3.3.
Does Betfair let you arb with itself? Suspect my account might get knobbled if I tried that elsewhere, does Betfair do that? It's a weird situation, this.
Can't help but wonder though, whether this might be a blessing in disguise for the "No" side. I'm guessing some of the recent converts did so because their heart was saying yes, while realistically deep down not thinking independence would happen. But seeing now that it ACTUALLY REALLY might happen might be too much of a leap in the dark for some people who only started seriously contemplating it in the last couple of months.
And I say this as someone who'd probably be voting "Yes" if I were Scottish.
Shadsy is looking at a loss if this plays out, right? But didn't WH take the largest political bet ever on No winning? Someone there is enjoying a sherry tonight!
Shadsy is looking at a loss if this plays out, right? But didn't WH take the largest political bet ever on No winning? Someone there is enjoying a sherry tonight!
Well clearly the momentum now with Yes, but as Quebec showed in 1995 No could still eke out a win if it convinces undecideds of the case for No. In 1995 Yes led in the final Quebec polls, but No won through winning undecideds. In that campaign made a passionate TV appeal for Canadian unity and a huge unity rally was held in Montreal with people from across Canada, as Fraser Nelson sets out here, Cameron and No should listen and learn, a far more positive case for the union now needs to be made in the final fortnight, those wary for economic reasons will now all be No
It shows Labour would still be narrowly ahead in England and Wales, but crucially the Tories + UKIP would be on 51% as opposed to 47% with Scotland, meaning Farage could hold the balance of power after independence. In that case currency union is dead on arrival
Two Tory ministers have told MPs they feel they would have to resign if there is a Yes vote in Scotland. Cabinet members think Dave might go
Any names or usual journalist fairy tales?
He has to go. In historical terms, no PM could survive this. But in the modern world of honour-free politics - who knows?
I'm not objecting to your view but Crichel Down would be the last in principle example of this. It's not a modern world point unless the modern world starts in 1958.
It shows Labour would still be narrowly ahead in England and Wales, but crucially the Tories + UKIP would be on 51% as opposed to 47% with Scotland, meaning Farage could hold the balance of power after independence. In that case currency union is dead on arrival
It shows Labour would still be narrowly ahead in England and Wales, but crucially the Tories + UKIP would be on 51% as opposed to 47% with Scotland, meaning Farage could hold the balance of power after independence. In that case currency union is dead on arrival
Tricky one to call. I'm always surprised by people's need to stick to nurse for fear of worse but it's real. This could be the wake up call and if anyone thinks the English are small c conservative they should watch the Scots......
Tory MPs from all wings of the party tell Sunday Times they think Cameron they will have to resign if Scotland votes for independence
Vote YES, get (rid of) Dave?
If Scotland votes YES, would Cameron think of going for a quick general election, if he could get the Lib Dems to agree. Because of the fixed parliament act, it would take the government to lose a vote of no confidence.
Would there be any advantage of an early election for the Tories ? They would probably be more ready that the other parties, but I am not sure the electorate would be happy to be rushed into an election.
For those who reckon the YES side will just sneak it, Ladbrokes' odds of 3.33/1 on a YES vote of between 50% -55% looks like the best value currently around, but hurry, this price can't last on the back of these latest polling numbers.. DYOR.
Quebec was "saved" by the Federal Government spending 10s of millions bussing and flying in Canadians from other Provinces with Quebecois and Federal flags and doing a love in. Where would better together get those people? The English press have spent the last 3 years telling the English public that Scots are both subsidy junkies and hate the English. It's not an option. Westminster destroyed that option with their pathetic campaign based on hate and fear.
And now they lose and the rUK will be impoverished without Scots subsidies. Especially the VAT and Corporation Tax which are classed as "London Region" but are based on Scottish economic activity.
Tory MPs from all wings of the party tell Sunday Times they think Cameron they will have to resign if Scotland votes for independence
Vote YES, get (rid of) Dave?
If Scotland votes YES, would Cameron think of going for a quick general election, if he could get the Lib Dems to agree. Because of the fixed parliament act, it would take the government to lose a vote of no confidence.
Would there be any advantage of an early election for the Tories ? They would probably be more ready that the other parties, but I am not sure the electorate would be happy to be rushed into an election.
Well clearly the momentum now with Yes, but as Quebec showed in 1995 No could still eke out a win if it convinces undecideds of the case for No. In 1995 Yes led in the final Quebec polls, but No won through winning undecideds. In that campaign made a passionate TV appeal for Canadian unity and a huge unity rally was held in Montreal with people from across Canada, as Fraser Nelson sets out here, Cameron and No should listen and learn, a far more positive case for the union now needs to be made in the final fortnight, those wary for economic reasons will now all be No
The major difference is Quebec was never more than a province. Scotland has been a separate country for 1300 years.
It shows Labour would still be narrowly ahead in England and Wales, but crucially the Tories + UKIP would be on 51% as opposed to 47% with Scotland, meaning Farage could hold the balance of power after independence. In that case currency union is dead on arrival
People have ALWAYS overestimated how much Labour "relies" on Scotland. In 2010 they did hugely better in Scotland than elsewhere, because of Gordon Brown. But other than that, in every election of the past 25 years, Labour have ALWAYS done better in Northern England and Wales (and sometimes even London and the Midlands) than they did in Scotland.
Where they would be hurt is in terms of seats, since Labour sweep the board in Scotland on relatively low shares of the vote because of the 4-party politics thing. In fact, Scotland accounts for almost all of the supposed "bias" to Labour in the electoral system.
And now they lose and the rUK will be impoverished without Scots subsidies. Especially the VAT and Corporation Tax which are classed as "London Region" but are based on Scottish economic activity.
Can you explain? Presumably you are talking about oil profits received by the majors?
I think I remember seeing Ed Miliband was planning to spend last week in Scotland... did he do so & was there much coverage of it?
If so...can we draw any conclusions about his appeal to voters?
;-)
Ed was taken into deepest, darkest Lanarkshire where he came off a luxury coach grinning like Grommit. The usual SLAB sycophants fawned all over. Some locals were heard off camera telling him to "get to fcuk"
For those who reckon the YES side will just sneak it, Ladbrokes' odds of 3.33/1 on a YES vote of between 50% -55% looks like the best value currently around, but hurry, this price can't last on the back of these latest polling numbers.. DYOR.
Things could change, but the 10/11 on Yes Over 46.5% at Ladbrokes is also looking pretty generous. Not as generous as the 11/4 on a Yes vote at Betfair Sportsbook though!
I think I remember seeing Ed Miliband was planning to spend last week in Scotland... did he do so & was there much coverage of it?
If so...can we draw any conclusions about his appeal to voters?
;-)
No, he did not. He appeared in Blantyre, could barely find one person to talk to for the TV cameras and then went to a closed meeting. All No Better meetings are closed by the way, they don't allow the public to attend only carefully screened and vetted people who agree to vote No. It's part of the reason they are losing. Its not 51/49 btw, theres a lot of people the pollsters don't even touch and most of them are Yes.
Big thanks to Stuart Dickson who has been pointing out good "Yes" bets for the better part of a year now. If Yes wins I should have quite a bit to celebrate with!
If the Yes price comes if even more after the Panelbase I might even start to sell some of my Yes position.
Oh Dear! The anglocentric media, pollsters and blogosphere appear to have called it wrong again. But why should any of them come to Scotland when the already know what the Jocks are up to. Those Rebellious Scots and their Knavish Tricks. Oh, and Nate Silver can go fudge himself as well. None of you have any idea what is happening on the ground in this faraway country of which you know little.
Oh Dear! The anglocentric media, pollsters and blogosphere appear to have called it wrong again. But why should any of them come to Scotland when the already know what the Jocks are up to. Those Rebellious Scots and their Knavish Tricks. Oh, and Nate Silver can go fudge himself as well. None of you have any idea what is happening on the ground in this faraway country of which you know little.
So you think Murdoch has called it wrong and No will win?
Well clearly the momentum now with Yes, but as Quebec showed in 1995 No could still eke out a win if it convinces undecideds of the case for No. In 1995 Yes led in the final Quebec polls, but No won through winning undecideds. In that campaign made a passionate TV appeal for Canadian unity and a huge unity rally was held in Montreal with people from across Canada, as Fraser Nelson sets out here, Cameron and No should listen and learn, a far more positive case for the union now needs to be made in the final fortnight, those wary for economic reasons will now all be No
The major difference is Quebec was never more than a province. Scotland has been a separate country for 1300 years.
I liked the analogy someone referred to here yesterday whereby away football supporters sometimes make the more noise, but ultimately lose the game. As a shy Tory yourself Easterross, what is your view about there being a significant number of shy NO voters - significant that is to possibly swing the result?
I think I remember seeing Ed Miliband was planning to spend last week in Scotland... did he do so & was there much coverage of it?
If so...can we draw any conclusions about his appeal to voters?
;-)
Behave you, that's the thread I'm going to write for tomorrow or Monday
Messrs Charles and TSE, you might want to have a shufti at this -
'On July 1st the Daily Record reported “Ed Miliband will be staying in Scotland in the build-up to September 18th. The Labour leader said he would set up camp north of the Border during the final push before the historic vote.”
Interestingly, Ed didn't move north. Even more interestingly, no-one either remembered the pointless pledge or noticed it hadn’t been kept.'
And now they lose and the rUK will be impoverished without Scots subsidies. Especially the VAT and Corporation Tax which are classed as "London Region" but are based on Scottish economic activity.
Can you explain? Presumably you are talking about oil profits received by the majors?
Not just Oil profits. Diageo makes most of its money from Whisky and all the VAT and Corporation Tax is classed as London revenue because their HQ is there. Same with any chain store which is based in England which is pretty much all of them. Every penny of VAT and Corporation Tax counts as English revenue in the GERS figures. You're looking at between £15bn and £25bn which Scotland will get after Independence.
England is very, very, very fucked economically. Part of the reason they will be desperate for a Currency Union as it's the only way to avoid a Devaluation on Sterling.
RobD/Surbiton Without Scotland UKIP rises to 16% in England and Wales, the same total the LDs got in 1997, on that total they are bound to pick up seats in England and Wales. If it is Yes UKIP's total will likely rise above 20% as Farage promises UKIP is the surest way to stop currency union. On those numbers Farage will hold the balance of power beyond doubt
Nick Sutton @suttonnick Mail on Sunday front page - "Miliband: We'll put guards on Scottish border"
Christ,the man's a idiot if your a fan of the no vote,a bloody gift to the yes camp.
Be fair, the Mail probably asked something tothe effect of, will you be putting guards on the border? Answer yes, even subtly, and you get that headline. Answer no and it's border undefended, you're a traitor etc.
And now they lose and the rUK will be impoverished without Scots subsidies. Especially the VAT and Corporation Tax which are classed as "London Region" but are based on Scottish economic activity.
Can you explain? Presumably you are talking about oil profits received by the majors?
Not just Oil profits. Diageo makes most of its money from Whisky and all the VAT and Corporation Tax is classed as London revenue because their HQ is there. Same with any chain store which is based in England which is pretty much all of them. Every penny of VAT and Corporation Tax counts as English revenue in the GERS figures. You're looking at between £15bn and £25bn which Scotland will get after Independence.
England is very, very, very fucked economically. Part of the reason they will be desperate for a Currency Union as it's the only way to avoid a Devaluation on Sterling.
Plus if England wishes to act as Uncle Sam's boy and throw a few toys here and there, Scotland will not be paying for those. Might even charge for Faslane until England finds another suitable place.
Eric Joyce has already started saying it may only be No because of English people living in Scotland:
"If independence is prevented only by those, mainly English, folk who actively choose not to be ‘Scottish’, then there will be a very bad public response to such folk."
For those who reckon the YES side will just sneak it, Ladbrokes' odds of 3.33/1 on a YES vote of between 50% -55% looks like the best value currently around, but hurry, this price can't last on the back of these latest polling numbers.. DYOR.
Things could change, but the 10/11 on Yes Over 46.5% at Ladbrokes is also looking pretty generous. Not as generous as the 11/4 on a Yes vote at Betfair Sportsbook though!
O/T Quincel - you'd have won our would-have-been bet which expired yesterday!
BBC News- Gordon Brown has written an article for a newspaper blaming the Tories and their policies for the narrowing in the polls. Sounds like #fallingapart
Quebec was "saved" by the Federal Government spending 10s of millions bussing and flying in Canadians from other Provinces with Quebecois and Federal flags and doing a love in. Where would better together get those people? The English press have spent the last 3 years telling the English public that Scots are both subsidy junkies and hate the English. It's not an option. Westminster destroyed that option with their pathetic campaign based on hate and fear. [cut]
Yep, I think you're right. Still, this is a different country and maybe other factors will save the day. The fear & loathing directed northwards from some quarters has been remarkable to witness.
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Tory MPs from all wings of the party tell Sunday Times they think Cameron they will have to resign if Scotland votes for independence
Betfair Exhange has Yes at 3.3.
Does Betfair let you arb with itself? Suspect my account might get knobbled if I tried that elsewhere, does Betfair do that? It's a weird situation, this.
Can't help but wonder though, whether this might be a blessing in disguise for the "No" side. I'm guessing some of the recent converts did so because their heart was saying yes, while realistically deep down not thinking independence would happen. But seeing now that it ACTUALLY REALLY might happen might be too much of a leap in the dark for some people who only started seriously contemplating it in the last couple of months.
And I say this as someone who'd probably be voting "Yes" if I were Scottish.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound 10s
Tory MPs from all wings of the party tell Sunday Times they think Cameron they will have to resign if Scotland votes for independence
This poll should energize both sides, I think.
Several Tory MPs expected to publicly demand the prime minister's resignation if there is a Yes vote in Scotland
Two Tory ministers have told MPs they feel they would have to resign if there is a Yes vote in Scotland. Cabinet members think Dave might go
You'd better change the 'lead' in the title to 'led' before anyone else spots it.
;-)
I guess the ones which have been actively supporting No would have a basis to do this. Are there any?
If YES suddenly goes into the lead with 12 days to go and maintains it, the suddenness will bring out different emotions.
Until tonight this was not seriously contemplated.
Does anyone remember what the Devolution vote was ?
Olivier Giroud is probably the most handsome footballer to play in the prem... And he knows it
Great ad
http://youtu.be/gNC_-uzRebQ
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It shows Labour would still be narrowly ahead in England and Wales, but crucially the Tories + UKIP would be on 51% as opposed to 47% with Scotland, meaning Farage could hold the balance of power after independence. In that case currency union is dead on arrival
The NEXT YouGov Scotland #indyref poll will be in Friday's Times....
Would there be any advantage of an early election for the Tories ? They would probably be more ready that the other parties, but I am not sure the electorate would be happy to be rushed into an election.
I think I remember seeing Ed Miliband was planning to spend last week in Scotland... did he do so & was there much coverage of it?
If so...can we draw any conclusions about his appeal to voters?
;-)
Easterross • Posts: 1,219
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Does Labour have a death wish!!!
Nick Sutton @suttonnick
Mail on Sunday front page - "Miliband: We'll put guards on Scottish border"
DYOR.
There's going to be a Panelbase out at midnight.
10 Shout "Nasty Tories".
20 Goto 10.
Salmond: Hey, it worked!
And now they lose and the rUK will be impoverished without Scots subsidies. Especially the VAT and Corporation Tax which are classed as "London Region" but are based on Scottish economic activity.
Uncharted territory. House of Lords. Supreme Court. Packed with .......... !
Where they would be hurt is in terms of seats, since Labour sweep the board in Scotland on relatively low shares of the vote because of the 4-party politics thing. In fact, Scotland accounts for almost all of the supposed "bias" to Labour in the electoral system.
Egg throwing Nats have been warned.
If the Yes price comes if even more after the Panelbase I might even start to sell some of my Yes position.
Paridoxically, a run on the pound and stock market fall in fear of a yes vote may just tilt the balance of a few waverers to no...
As a shy Tory yourself Easterross, what is your view about there being a significant number of shy NO voters - significant that is to possibly swing the result?
'On July 1st the Daily Record reported “Ed Miliband will be staying in Scotland in the build-up to September 18th. The Labour leader said he would set up camp north of the Border during the final push before the historic vote.”
Interestingly, Ed didn't move north. Even more interestingly, no-one either remembered the pointless pledge or noticed it hadn’t been kept.'
http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-opinion/9699-ed-has-yet-to-realise-that-scotland-has-moved-on
(Ms Riddoch was NOT a pro-indy person originally.).
England is very, very, very fucked economically. Part of the reason they will be desperate for a Currency Union as it's the only way to avoid a Devaluation on Sterling.
And to quote another famous Scotsman 'To know the winner I'd need crystal balls'
"If independence is prevented only by those, mainly English, folk who actively choose not to be ‘Scottish’, then there will be a very bad public response to such folk."
http://ericjoyce.co.uk/2014/09/a-stymied-scottish-referendum-would-be-the-worst-result-of-all/
Quincel - you'd have won our would-have-been bet which expired yesterday!