In my view David Cameron made two big mistakes in his negotiations over the referendum:
made the difference.
I don't think point 2 would have been practical - although it would certainly have been desirable. You are spot on with point 1 though.
I can only imagine that Cameron and his advisors were:
1. Very confident about the outcome 2. Did not wish to give the SNP anything they could gripe about, ie, "look, the circumstances were the best they could have been for you, but you still lost. And that's that." This, of course, only works if they do, indeed, lose.
I do wish you guys would stop talking about when I am wandering the remoter parts of the Rhineland. There is no 3G in Bacharach, so I am unable to defend myself against charges of premeditating homicide.
ON topic, I think Cameron bungled almost everything to do with the referendum, from not allowing Devomax to not insisting on a more positive campaign (alongside the necessary fear-mongering) to the points raised above.
Cameron is a bungler of epic proportions.
I wonder if Smithson Junior is now so confident of his 60/40 No/Yes predictions? I doubt it.
Your arse must be sore from sitting on that fence, stop dribbling and say either YES or NO. Coming on every other day with a different answer is pathetic to watch. I know you are needy and desperate enough to have to brag afterwards that you were right. But alternatively supporting 2 sides in a 2 side race is pretty pathetic , man up and stop being a big girls blouse.
"While one does not seek the office, one has pledged oneself to the service of one's country and if one's friends were to persuade one that was the best way one could serve, one might have to accept the responsibility whatever one's own private wishes might be."
I imagine that in a parallel universe where Braveheart hadn't been made, the Yes vote would be much smaller. I believe that all that FREEDOM!!!!! balls reinforced the lead in the pencils of the likes of Malc etc.
JJ still trying to be an adult I see, back to your dolls
Did he use the data in the days / weeks up to defection day - he seems to be saying he won't now he's an ex-Tory.. the second paragraph is verbose to the point of being unclear.
Until this week almost nobody outside Scotland took very seriously the possibility that Europe’s most stable and durable nation, the only big country on earth not to have suffered invasion, revolution or civil war at any time in the past 300 years, might soon be wiped off the map.
The fact that the possible Independence of Scotland is occurring by a constitutional method is something to be proud of.
Yes, and if it is a Yes, once the facts of life sink in north of the border I am sure both Scotland and rUK will go on about their business with renewed purpose. If it's a No, the "once in a generation" question will have been asked and answered, and the two governments can get back to doing what they are handsomely paid for.
In my view David Cameron made two big mistakes in his negotiations over the referendum:
1. He should have insisted on agreeing the question before signing off the Edinburgh. He would then require the question to include the option of remaining in the Union, eg Do you think Scotland should A) be an independent country? or remain part of the United Kingdom?
The question is then, as it should be, a choice between alternatives rather an assertion.
2. He should have insisted on the franchise including Scottish born residents in the UK as well as all residents in Scotland.
If it is a Yes in a fortnight, it will be close enough that those two mistakes will have made the difference.
Fair enough, Mr. 42, but why? If the Scots are really so unhappy that they can only accept a Labour government at Westminster then the union is bust. There is no point in trying to hang on to it.
he made can't be delivered so a decade of entertainment beckons
If it's Yes then too stupid will have won, it would be criminal not to take their money off them.
I agree Mr. Brooke. I have posted on here many times that if I was a Scot I would be voting "Yes" and as a patriotic Englishman I hope the Scots will vote, "Yes" (not least for some of the reasons you mention and a good many others more obliging to England than nasty for the Scots). However, when ever I used to post on such matters you, yes you, Mr. Brooke, would chide me. "It will lead to generations of blame being lumped on the English", you used to say, "Look at the example of Ireland. No good will come of it". And so on and so forth.
Yet now you seem more relaxed. What has changed?
Mr L you have failed to understand the meaning of silver lining and cloud. Because yes, they will wail for a century and blame the english since I'm damned sure they won't blame themselves. And there will be a constant stream of folk heading south since that's where the jobs will be and then complaining being scottish doesn't count for anything any more. But so sei es.
But I've always taken the approach that if you're going to get hung best make it a flock of sheep rather than a lamb and make the best of a bad job. So if we're going to get the blame at least make sure it justified.
Hardly surprising that The Mail value the houses where the attack took place.
Nightingale Road is a typical suburban street in the London Borough of Edmonton. The average house value on there is £310,000, while it is £275,000 in the local N9 postcode area
I imagine that in a parallel universe where Braveheart hadn't been made, the Yes vote would be much smaller. I believe that all that FREEDOM!!!!! balls reinforced the lead in the pencils of the likes of Malc etc.
JJ still trying to be an adult I see, back to your dolls
"While one does not seek the office, one has pledged oneself to the service of one's country and if one's friends were to persuade one that was the best way one could serve, one might have to accept the responsibility whatever one's own private wishes might be."
"While one does not seek the office, one has pledged oneself to the service of one's country and if one's friends were to persuade one that was the best way one could serve, one might have to accept the responsibility whatever one's own private wishes might be."
Did he use the data in the days / weeks up to defection day - he seems to be saying he won't now he's an ex-Tory.. the second paragraph is verbose to the point of being unclear.
If he was thinking of defecting and didn't look at the data first he would be an idiot
Hardly surprising that The Mail value the houses where the attack took place.
Nightingale Road is a typical suburban street in the London Borough of Edmonton. The average house value on there is £310,000, while it is £275,000 in the local N9 postcode area
Isn't he entitled to his opinion like everybody else?
The way he put it with foul language , the fact he is an absolute dickhead and has more pressing concerns that he should be focussing on I believe he is not addressing what he should be. However as he craves publicity he has given his opinion whether wanted or not.
I should say, further to what I wrote below, my hat is off to Jim Murphy. Shown real grit in getting out there day after day. Done more for Better Together than anyone else. Hope a few more start stepping up.
Whilst I do not like him I have to say he is one if not the only one that has actually shown a bit of passion and get up and go. Luckily they chose loser Darling to lead the campaign. Looks like Jim may get JoLo's job in Scotland after being dumped.
You will no doubt be delighted that Stuart Mackenzie, the guy who egged him in Kirkcaldy, has been given 80 hours of unpaid work for his troubles.
More than the yobbo who threatened to kill the first minister got
Did he use the data in the days / weeks up to defection day - he seems to be saying he won't now he's an ex-Tory.. the second paragraph is verbose to the point of being unclear.
If he was thinking of defecting and didn't look at the data first he would be an idiot
Take it as read that the effects of a YES will be rather more painful than "missing that 2 for 1 offer at Tesco".
Thank you, Mr. T., I read your blog with interest. Yet I find the views of your American friend less convincing than those the Dutchmen that Roger had dinner with on the run-up to the last election.
Money men in my experience with the City are hard-headed and not driven by sentiment (save for the speculators who put the froth on top). Ten percent is ten percent and phrases like sawing the country in half are meaningless, as well as being untrue. Will real investors with real money decide England is a bad bet? I doubt it.
Did he use the data in the days / weeks up to defection day - he seems to be saying he won't now he's an ex-Tory.. the second paragraph is verbose to the point of being unclear.
If he was thinking of defecting and didn't look at the data first he would be an idiot
LOL , Labour are getting really desperate. UK government publishes figure of 2000-4000 MOD civilain jobs in whole of Scotland. Labour have come out with whopper that their are 19000 at Faslane , 150% of the population of Helensburgh. How do these numpties get dressed in the morning.
LOL , Labour are getting really desperate. UK government publishes figure of 2000-4000 MOD civilain jobs in whole of Scotland. Labour have come out with whopper that their are 19000 at Faslane , 150% of the population of Helensburgh. How do these numpties get dressed in the morning.
I would have thought that a lot of the civilians working at Faslane are employed by Babcock, Malcolm. And I know for a fact that most dont live in Helensburgh (have you tried driving off site about 4pm on a weekday?).
Role reversal? Mel Gibson played Wallace who was over six foot in height and very tall for that time. Liam Neeson Played Rob Roy who was very short in stature (though extremely strong)
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a fair overlap in the FREEDOM!!!!ers and the people who blame the Jews for everything
Dont be so pathetic.
Ok, so it's only one crappy four year old blog with two replies, but it's just a start and I did only claim a fair overlap...
"My Grandmother was born in Glasgow...I like to think the Celts kneel to no-one...Especially not to Zionists who would celebrate our demise. The Wallace would have words to say on these "Zionists" and they'd not be flattering."
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a fair overlap in the FREEDOM!!!!ers and the people who blame the Jews for everything
Dont be so pathetic.
Ok, so it's only one crappy four year old blog with two replies, but it's just a start and I did only claim a fair overlap...
"My Grandmother was born in Glasgow...I like to think the Celts kneel to no-one...Especially not to Zionists who would celebrate our demise. The Wallace would have words to say on these "Zionists" and they'd not be flattering."
LOL , Labour are getting really desperate. UK government publishes figure of 2000-4000 MOD civilain jobs in whole of Scotland. Labour have come out with whopper that their are 19000 at Faslane , 150% of the population of Helensburgh. How do these numpties get dressed in the morning.
I would have thought that a lot of the civilians working at Faslane are employed by Babcock, Malcolm. And I know for a fact that most dont live in Helensburgh (have you tried driving off site about 4pm on a weekday?).
Neil, No fool would say 19,000 other than a labour fool. STUC published numbers some time ago and it was nothing like that. They are dullards, if they are going to lie try and make it possible to be taken in.
The way he put it with foul language , the fact he is an absolute dickhead
You're too funny to be real, you'll deserve a medal after the No vote
I am the real thing JJ
Then I hope you don't have too many real Bank of England backed notes riding on the result, as, though I do like to laugh at you, I wouldn't wish you ill ✌️
But I've always taken the approach that if you're going to get hung best make it a flock of sheep rather than a lamb and make the best of a bad job. So if we're going to get the blame at least make sure it justified.
Oh, I agree. If there is a "Yes" vote I would hope that our team do play hardball in the negotiations (I'd have them done and an Independence Bill before Parliament by March 2015). However, Cameron will be responsible for setting up he negotiations and Miliband, probably, for concluding them so be prepared for rUK to get absolutely hammered, if there is a yes vote, because both of them have the breaking strain of a wet Kit-Kat and neither, from current performance, have the faintest idea about negotiation.
Just as there are undeniably a fair proportion of "Shy Tories" who dare not speak their name, I sense that there might also be a small but potentially result-defining number of Shy NO voters in the Indy referendum. I keep reading about the very considerable extent to which YES window posters dominate over NO posters, totally at odds with what the polls are telling us and I wonder whether this simply reflects the fears of NO voters of finding a brick through their window, just as I have always resisted the urge to place a Tory sticker on the rear window of my car for fear of having the sides "keyed" Doubtless there has been a closing of the gap between the two sides and my own feeling, admittedly from afar and based primarily on the polls, is that the YES vote will be between 43% - 46%, with the NO vote therefore between 54% - 57%. On this basis, I have topped up on my bet with Ladbrokes for a 40% - 45% YES result at odds of 5/2. DYOR.
But I've always taken the approach that if you're going to get hung best make it a flock of sheep rather than a lamb and make the best of a bad job. So if we're going to get the blame at least make sure it justified.
Independence Bill before Parliament by March 2015
It's always amused me that people think that the timing of separation should be arranged for the convenience of the 8%, not the 92%!
But I've always taken the approach that if you're going to get hung best make it a flock of sheep rather than a lamb and make the best of a bad job. So if we're going to get the blame at least make sure it justified.
Independence Bill before Parliament by March 2015
It's always amused me that people think that the timing of separation should be arranged for the convenience of the 8%, not the 92%!
10-15 years whilst the facilities at Coulport and Faslane are relocated.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a fair overlap in the FREEDOM!!!!ers and the people who blame the Jews for everything
Dont be so pathetic.
Ok, so it's only one crappy four year old blog with two replies, but it's just a start and I did only claim a fair overlap...
"My Grandmother was born in Glasgow...I like to think the Celts kneel to no-one...Especially not to Zionists who would celebrate our demise. The Wallace would have words to say on these "Zionists" and they'd not be flattering."
The appeal was to stop being pathetic, it wasnt encouragement to get worse!
I was only responding, initially, to your typically humorous reply to my mention of Braveheart with a Mel-Gibson-Jew-Hater comment, by pointing out that there'd be an element of SNP support that believed the Zionists were to blame for everything.
But I've always taken the approach that if you're going to get hung best make it a flock of sheep rather than a lamb and make the best of a bad job. So if we're going to get the blame at least make sure it justified.
Oh, I agree. If there is a "Yes" vote I would hope that our team do play hardball in the negotiations (I'd have them done and an Independence Bill before Parliament by March 2015). However, Cameron will be responsible for setting up he negotiations and Miliband, probably, for concluding them so be prepared for rUK to get absolutely hammered, if there is a yes vote, because both of them have the breaking strain of a wet Kit-Kat and neither, from current performance, have the faintest idea about negotiation.
Of course, but they have an election in the way before they could sit down and negotiate.
Given Cameron's a bit supine, I'll put my trust in those heartless bastards in the City to give him a shopping list which will line their pockets and gut Salmond. Nobbling the competition in Edinburgh will be top of the list I'd say.
The problem Salmond has is not realising that modern empires work more on soft influence where the dominant power still gets pretty much all it wants but doesn't have the inconvenience of policing and feeding a population. Much better to get a useful idiot to do that for you. FM Sturgeon ?
Like the girlish shrieking from Blair Mcdougall and Better Together that this was mob activity organised by Yes.
So they invented the tweets then?
As you write, conspiracy theories,....
I'd like to see you substantiate the claim that this guy threw the egg because Yes tweeted at him. It's certainly not what the court found.
The Court found no such thing - that's what his brief said,,,,,meanwhile, evidence for him being MI5?
I don't remember saying he was MI5. I do remember pointing out the hypocrisy though, in Blair McDougall and Better Together crying that this was organised bullying from high up in the Yes campaign.
In my view David Cameron made two big mistakes in his negotiations over the referendum:
1. He should have insisted on agreeing the question before signing off the Edinburgh. He would then require the question to include the option of remaining in the Union, eg Do you think Scotland should A) be an independent country? or remain part of the United Kingdom?
The question is then, as it should be, a choice between alternatives rather an assertion.
2. He should have insisted on the franchise including Scottish born residents in the UK as well as all residents in Scotland.
If it is a Yes in a fortnight, it will be close enough that those two mistakes will have made the difference.
Fair enough, Mr. 42, but why? If the Scots are really so unhappy that they can only accept a Labour government at Westminster then the union is bust. There is no point in trying to hang on to it.
Is that true though? FPTP can work to help the tories but it does not in Scotland. If you look at vote share the labour party does not get a majority share of the vote. The LDs get a few more votes than Tories and many more seats. LD 19% - 11 seats. Conservatives 17% 1 seat. So seats do not relate to opinion. Labour get 41 seats, 41 times the number of seats for not much more than twice the vote 59% did not vote Labour in Scotland
But I've always taken the approach that if you're going to get hung best make it a flock of sheep rather than a lamb and make the best of a bad job. So if we're going to get the blame at least make sure it justified.
Oh, I agree. If there is a "Yes" vote I would hope that our team do play hardball in the negotiations (I'd have them done and an Independence Bill before Parliament by March 2015). However, Cameron will be responsible for setting up he negotiations and Miliband, probably, for concluding them so be prepared for rUK to get absolutely hammered, if there is a yes vote, because both of them have the breaking strain of a wet Kit-Kat and neither, from current performance, have the faintest idea about negotiation.
Of course, but they have an election in the way before they could sit down and negotiate?
Why not do it before the election? There'll be no currency union to negotiate, for starters....
But I've always taken the approach that if you're going to get hung best make it a flock of sheep rather than a lamb and make the best of a bad job. So if we're going to get the blame at least make sure it justified.
Oh, I agree. If there is a "Yes" vote I would hope that our team do play hardball in the negotiations (I'd have them done and an Independence Bill before Parliament by March 2015). However, Cameron will be responsible for setting up he negotiations and Miliband, probably, for concluding them so be prepared for rUK to get absolutely hammered, if there is a yes vote, because both of them have the breaking strain of a wet Kit-Kat and neither, from current performance, have the faintest idea about negotiation.
Of course, but they have an election in the way before they could sit down and negotiate?
Why not do it before the election? There'll be no currency union to negotiate, for starters....
well somebody better find Cameron some gumption then , I'd rather see Osborne negotiate the separation, that's how bad DC is, he'll just want to be loved.
Lord does seem more than a little annoyed at Farage (and a bit homophobic in suggesting prison rape) but it does show how Farage seems to accumulate bitter ex party members. He is not a team player, and neither is Carswell. Should be entertaining!
"The general election is now Ed Miliband’s to lose. This is not a controversial statement: the polls say it, the bookmakers say it and in the last week several of David Cameron’s own ministers have come to believe it. The confidence that seemed to envelop the Conservative party before the summer recess has been replaced by a sense of doom. On its own, Douglas Carswell’s defection to Ukip would not be seen as a body blow — but it hammers home the fact that the right is fractured and many Tory voters made the jump long ago. A party that should be readying itself for victory is now preparing to tear itself apart in opposition."
Lord does seem more than a little annoyed at Farage (and a bit homophobic in suggesting prison rape) but it does show how Farage seems to accumulate bitter ex party members. He is not a team player, and neither is Carswell. Should be entertaining!
Are prison rape jokes homophobic? Presumably prison rape isn't nicer for homosexuals than it is for heterosexuals. Rape in prison does seem to be something that exists and surely could be 'joked' about without it being an anti-homosexual insult
Lord does seem more than a little annoyed at Farage (and a bit homophobic in suggesting prison rape) but it does show how Farage seems to accumulate bitter ex party members. He is not a team player, and neither is Carswell. Should be entertaining!
Just as there are undeniably a fair proportion of "Shy Tories" who dare not speak their name, I sense that there might also be a small but potentially result-defining number of Shy NO voters in the Indy referendum. I keep reading about the very considerable extent to which YES window posters dominate over NO posters, totally at odds with what the polls are telling us and I wonder whether this simply reflects the fears of NO voters of finding a brick through their window, just as I have always resisted the urge to place a Tory sticker on the rear window of my car for fear of having the sides "keyed" Doubtless there has been a closing of the gap between the two sides and my own feeling, admittedly from afar and based primarily on the polls, is that the YES vote will be between 43% - 46%, with the NO vote therefore between 54% - 57%. On this basis, I have topped up on my bet with Ladbrokes for a 40% - 45% YES result at odds of 5/2. DYOR.
The analogy used by Ruth Davidson today is that the Yes voters are like the away supporters behind the goal. They are outnumbered but not necessarily outsung or out shouted. The quieter majority will prevail.
But I've always taken the approach that if you're going to get hung best make it a flock of sheep rather than a lamb and make the best of a bad job. So if we're going to get the blame at least make sure it justified.
Independence Bill before Parliament by March 2015
It's always amused me that people think that the timing of separation should be arranged for the convenience of the 8%, not the 92%!
10-15 years whilst the facilities at Coulport and Faslane are relocated.
What could the Scots do about it?
Well, push comes to a shove, if you can tie up a deal with the yanks, Faslane and Coulport could be redundant in a few weeks. Devonport has long been the home of nuclear boats and would no doubt be happy to continue to do so. Its the warhead/missile thing for the bombers that will take time to recreate (plus recreating all the quarters for the staff that have been let go since it was decided to base all submarines in Scotland). Nothing that money cant sort out.
So if one is prepared to chuck a few tens of millions quid about it would be entirely possible to get the MoD out of Scotland in a few months. Aside from a radar site or two but as nobody has mentioned them probably nobody will know if they carry on or maybe we can just pay some rent (a field in the middle of nowhere in Scotland rentable value 2 groats but we will give you 2 million quid p.a.).
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a fair overlap in the FREEDOM!!!!ers and the people who blame the Jews for everything
Dont be so pathetic.
Ok, so it's only one crappy four year old blog with two replies, but it's just a start and I did only claim a fair overlap...
"My Grandmother was born in Glasgow...I like to think the Celts kneel to no-one...Especially not to Zionists who would celebrate our demise. The Wallace would have words to say on these "Zionists" and they'd not be flattering."
The appeal was to stop being pathetic, it wasnt encouragement to get worse!
I was only responding, initially, to your typically humorous reply to my mention of Braveheart with a Mel-Gibson-Jew-Hater comment, by pointing out that there'd be an element of SNP support that believed the Zionists were to blame for everything.
How, exactly, was that pathetic?
I've also pathetically-counterbalanced that by highlighting a large element of the anti-Zionists (the AZLeague) who seem to think that Salmond is an Israeli tool. In case you missed it.
I know there are some military history buffs, so some on here may be interested in "Castles in the sky" on BBC 2 at nine this evening. The drama, featuring Eddie Izzard, outlines the development of radar in WWII, concentrating on the great Robert Watson Watt.
Warning: the promo they had for it was rather disheartening. If it does not mention Worth Matravers, Malvern, and the frankly hilarious (*) discovery of the cavity magnetron at the Uni of Birmingham, then it would be a travesty.
In my view David Cameron made two big mistakes in his negotiations over the referendum:
1. He should have insisted on agreeing the question before signing off the Edinburgh. He would then require the question to include the option of remaining in the Union, eg Do you think Scotland should A) be an independent country? or remain part of the United Kingdom?
The question is then, as it should be, a choice between alternatives rather an assertion.
2. He should have insisted on the franchise including Scottish born residents in the UK as well as all residents in Scotland.
If it is a Yes in a fortnight, it will be close enough that those two mistakes will have made the difference.
Fair enough, Mr. 42, but why? If the Scots are really so unhappy that they can only accept a Labour government at Westminster then the union is bust. There is no point in trying to hang on to it.
Is that true though? FPTP can work to help the tories but it does not in Scotland. If you look at vote share the labour party does not get a majority share of the vote. The LDs get a few more votes than Tories and many more seats. LD 19% - 11 seats. Conservatives 17% 1 seat. So seats do not relate to opinion. Labour get 41 seats, 41 times the number of seats for not much more than twice the vote 59% did not vote Labour in Scotland
Good point, Mr Path. Unfortunately such arithmetic has bugger all to do with seats, power and narrative. Especially in Scotland, where it would seem to me the Labour Party have been putting down poison for thirty years.
Not my problem, of course, and I could give a big rats bottom, except as far as the Barnett formula and other associated DevoMax type stuff might affect me and mine. If, as I hope, the Scots vote ,"YES" in a couple of weeks time we shall be rid of them.
@JonnyJimmy Arguably the Knights Templar had a far greater influence on Scotland than the Jews.
I'd imagine you're right. I hope you don't think I was implying that among 'true' Scots there'd be an anti-Jew mentality; I wouldn't have a clue about where or when any Jewish people settled in Scotland or the faintest idea of any problems with their settlement or most likely otherwise.
But I may be tempted to suspect that the kind of person (no doubt a Unionist plant, thanks Malc) who would shout at Jim Murphy in public that he was from a "nest of paedophiles" (regardless of the result of any enquiry into Westminster I don't for a moment believe that we could call the current lot in situ that) might also be convinced that the world is run by a Zionist conspiracy. I shouldn't think that you'll try to convince me otherwise.
The Westminster government has created yet another lost generation of young people with zero positive outlook. They care little for politics because politics cares little for them. Voting No would doom future generations to the same fate, but voting Yes might inspire confidence and hope by giving them a voice that can actually make a difference. I don't care what party leads Scotland, so long as it is a party elected by the Scottish people, then it would have my full unequivocal support. The Union has failed and we must take full control. All it requires is courage and foresight. Stuart MacKenzie (Kirkcaldy)
I know there are some military history buffs, so some on here may be interested in "Castles in the sky" on BBC 2 at nine this evening. The drama, featuring Eddie Izzard, outlines the development of radar in WWII, concentrating on the great Robert Watson Watt.
Warning: the promo they had for it was rather disheartening. If it does not mention Worth Matravers, Malvern, and the frankly hilarious (*) discovery of the cavity magnetron at the Uni of Birmingham, then it would be a travesty.
I know there are some military history buffs, so some on here may be interested in "Castles in the sky" on BBC 2 at nine this evening. The drama, featuring Eddie Izzard, outlines the development of radar in WWII, concentrating on the great Robert Watson Watt.
Warning: the promo they had for it was rather disheartening. If it does not mention Worth Matravers, Malvern, and the frankly hilarious (*) discovery of the cavity magnetron at the Uni of Birmingham, then it would be a travesty.
The Westminster government has created yet another lost generation of young people with zero positive outlook. They care little for politics because politics cares little for them. Voting No would doom future generations to the same fate, but voting Yes might inspire confidence and hope by giving them a voice that can actually make a difference. I don't care what party leads Scotland, so long as it is a party elected by the Scottish people, then it would have my full unequivocal support. The Union has failed and we must take full control. All it requires is courage and foresight. Stuart MacKenzie (Kirkcaldy)
"Personal accounts, sent in by Yes Scotland supporters, telling us in 100 words or less, why they are saying yes to an independent Scotland."
That shows he's a Yes supporter, which we already knew.
What it doesn't show is that he threw an egg under orders from high up in Yes Scotland, as Blair McDougall and Better Together heavily implied.
Twitter Gaby Hinsliff @gabyhinsliff 6m Whatever you think of PM, really don't envy him right now. Juggling hostage crisis, Ukraine, #indyref, poss military action, UKIP, all...
Gaby Hinsliff @gabyhinsliff 5m ..at busiest time of political year (before conf) & 8 months from election. You'd need to be superhuman to get all that exactly right.
The Westminster government has created yet another lost generation of young people with zero positive outlook. They care little for politics because politics cares little for them. Voting No would doom future generations to the same fate, but voting Yes might inspire confidence and hope by giving them a voice that can actually make a difference. I don't care what party leads Scotland, so long as it is a party elected by the Scottish people, then it would have my full unequivocal support. The Union has failed and we must take full control. All it requires is courage and foresight. Stuart MacKenzie (Kirkcaldy)
"Personal accounts, sent in by Yes Scotland supporters, telling us in 100 words or less, why they are saying yes to an independent Scotland."
That shows he's a Yes supporter, which we already knew.
What it doesn't show is that he threw an egg under orders from high up in Yes Scotland, as Blair McDougall and Better Together heavily implied.
@JonnyJimmy Arguably the Knights Templar had a far greater influence on Scotland than the Jews.
Though they seem to have had a reasonably sound attitude to Jews for the times. The Declaration of Arbroath:
'Therefore it is, Reverend Father and Lord, that we beseech your Holiness with our most earnest prayers and suppliant hearts, inasmuch as you will in your sincerity and goodness consider all this, that, since with Him Whose vice-gerent on earth you are there is neither weighing nor distinction of Jew and Greek, Scotsman or Englishman, you will look with the eyes of a father on the troubles and privation brought by the English upon us and upon the Church of God.'
Perhaps they were sticking it to the deceased Longshanks for his ethnic cleansing.
The Westminster government has created yet another lost generation of young people with zero positive outlook. They care little for politics because politics cares little for them. Voting No would doom future generations to the same fate, but voting Yes might inspire confidence and hope by giving them a voice that can actually make a difference. I don't care what party leads Scotland, so long as it is a party elected by the Scottish people, then it would have my full unequivocal support. The Union has failed and we must take full control. All it requires is courage and foresight. Stuart MacKenzie (Kirkcaldy)
"Personal accounts, sent in by Yes Scotland supporters, telling us in 100 words or less, why they are saying yes to an independent Scotland."
That shows he's a Yes supporter, which we already knew.
What it doesn't show is that he threw an egg under orders from high up in Yes Scotland, as Blair McDougall and Better Together heavily implied.
The egg throwing was nothing compared to MacKenzie's threat to "f*king knock out" a photographer because McKenzie thought the photographer might be English.
The Westminster government has created yet another lost generation of young people with zero positive outlook. They care little for politics because politics cares little for them. Voting No would doom future generations to the same fate, but voting Yes might inspire confidence and hope by giving them a voice that can actually make a difference. I don't care what party leads Scotland, so long as it is a party elected by the Scottish people, then it would have my full unequivocal support. The Union has failed and we must take full control. All it requires is courage and foresight. Stuart MacKenzie (Kirkcaldy)
"Personal accounts, sent in by Yes Scotland supporters, telling us in 100 words or less, why they are saying yes to an independent Scotland."
That shows he's a Yes supporter, which we already knew.
What it doesn't show is that he threw an egg under orders from high up in Yes Scotland, as Blair McDougall and Better Together heavily implied.
The egg throwing was nothing compared to MacKenzie's threat to "f*king knock out" a photographer because McKenzie thought the photographer might be English.
You can imagine how these Bravehearts will behave if the vote goes 'No'.
The Westminster government has created yet another lost generation of young people with zero positive outlook. They care little for politics because politics cares little for them. Voting No would doom future generations to the same fate, but voting Yes might inspire confidence and hope by giving them a voice that can actually make a difference. I don't care what party leads Scotland, so long as it is a party elected by the Scottish people, then it would have my full unequivocal support. The Union has failed and we must take full control. All it requires is courage and foresight. Stuart MacKenzie (Kirkcaldy)
"Personal accounts, sent in by Yes Scotland supporters, telling us in 100 words or less, why they are saying yes to an independent Scotland."
That shows he's a Yes supporter, which we already knew.
What it doesn't show is that he threw an egg under orders from high up in Yes Scotland, as Blair McDougall and Better Together heavily implied.
The egg throwing was nothing compared to MacKenzie's threat to "f*king knock out" a photographer because McKenzie thought the photographer might be English.
You can imagine how these clowns will behave if the vote goes 'No'.
You're not going to successfully claim the moral high ground with the Orange Order, the EDL, and the BNP going for No.
I wonder if Smithson Junior is now so confident of his 60/40 No/Yes predictions? I doubt it.
Yes I am.
Haven't we got a bet on this?
[serious question, I seem to remember some gentlemanly wager twixt you and I re the scale (or existence) of the NO victory]
Well: you told me that you would buy me a bottle of champagne at the Groucho Club in the event of a 'no'. (This was in recompense for the beer you owe me.)
However, I am going to lose my China bet with you. So, I will owe you something :-)
Ah yes. The champers offer still stands. I am amazed you still believe it will be 60/40 NO. Nuts.
Re China I see it is, if anything, returning to stronger growth.
My visit to rainy, polluted Chengdu in July convinced me of two things. China has huge problems ahead with environmental issues, and over development. However the pool of people - young people - is still so vast - and the people are still so poor - it will be decades before China seriously slows down to Western growth levels (this does not rule out a crash in the interim, indeed it is likely).
As such it is almost inevitable China will overtake the USA as the largest economy in the next few years; it has probably already overtaken the USA as the largest economy in PPP terms.
Just to remind you, I completely u-turned on China a month or two ago. There are issues that need to get sorted out there (corporate debt levels, the shadow banking system, an over-dependence on construction activity), but exports-per-capita are still (believe it or not) less than half the level of Greece.
Re Scotland: shall we make it more interesting - 58 or better for no, and you pay for champagne and dinner... less than 55 and I'll pick up the champagne. A victory for yes, and I'll buy you champagne and dinner...
I know there are some military history buffs, so some on here may be interested in "Castles in the sky" on BBC 2 at nine this evening. The drama, featuring Eddie Izzard, outlines the development of radar in WWII, concentrating on the great Robert Watson Watt.
Warning: the promo they had for it was rather disheartening. If it does not mention Worth Matravers, Malvern, and the frankly hilarious (*) discovery of the cavity magnetron at the Uni of Birmingham, then it would be a travesty.
Thanks Mr J. I might, just because Herself had drawn it to my attention, have watched it but for your warning.
It may still be worth watching. On one hand, there is plenty in the story to create a gripping drama, so it would be hard to drop the ball.
On the other hand, it stars Eddie Izzard...
The promo says "They continued to strive to achieve their dreams against all odds, to the detriment of their personal lives and at the cost of some of their marriages."
Wow. During World War II, when people went abroad to fight and died, were maimed for life or did not see their loved ones for years, a few boffins stayed at home and had a little pressure put on their marriages.
It's not exactly the right focus for a WWII piece, is it?
"Oh, I really suffered. My mate Bertie died, but I got a splinter in my finger and my wife was awful miffed at my working hours."
@JonnyJimmy Arguably the Knights Templar had a far greater influence on Scotland than the Jews.
Freemasonry originated in Scotland (and remains vastly more popular there than South of the Border). My own view is that there is very little direct link between the Knights Templar and Freemasonry, but others think there is.
A few days after its noted on PB that Ed Miliband has completely airbrushed himself out of the Indy Ref debate over the summer, he finally pops up with impeccable timing and wants to get involved after the postal votes are already being posted back.
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"While one does not seek the office, one has pledged oneself to the service of one's country and if one's friends were to persuade one that was the best way one could serve, one might have to accept the responsibility whatever one's own private wishes might be."
http://www.talkcarswell.com/home/quit-making-mischief-over-data-smears/2804
Did he use the data in the days / weeks up to defection day - he seems to be saying he won't now he's an ex-Tory.. the second paragraph is verbose to the point of being unclear.
But I've always taken the approach that if you're going to get hung best make it a flock of sheep rather than a lamb and make the best of a bad job. So if we're going to get the blame at least make sure it justified.
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Will you be staying with us after referendum day, or are you planning to do a Stuart Truth?
http://youtu.be/M2AWKfMvDtw
Money men in my experience with the City are hard-headed and not driven by sentiment (save for the speculators who put the froth on top). Ten percent is ten percent and phrases like sawing the country in half are meaningless, as well as being untrue. Will real investors with real money decide England is a bad bet? I doubt it.
Still have no idea what a cultural aftershock is?
The
MI5 agent
No plant
Disaffected Labour supporter
Independence supporter
In the Murphy egging has been convicted and sentenced,...
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-29066058
Liam Neeson Played Rob Roy who was very short in stature (though extremely strong)
According to Vanished Kingdoms by Norman Davies, William Wallace was known as William the Briton during his lifetime.
"My Grandmother was born in Glasgow...I like to think the Celts kneel to no-one...Especially not to Zionists who would celebrate our demise. The Wallace would have words to say on these "Zionists" and they'd not be flattering."
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/who-is-more-zionist-brown-or-cameron.html?m=1
'This isn't about the SNP, it isn't about any political party.'
Must have been a different Scotchman haranguing Darling about the Tories in the 2nd debate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29065076
There has always been a dispute as to whether he was of Norman or Welsh decent.
Like the girlish shrieking from Blair Mcdougall and Better Together that this was mob activity organised by Yes.
As you write, conspiracy theories,....
I keep reading about the very considerable extent to which YES window posters dominate over NO posters, totally at odds with what the polls are telling us and I wonder whether this simply reflects the fears of NO voters of finding a brick through their window, just as I have always resisted the urge to place a Tory sticker on the rear window of my car for fear of having the sides "keyed"
Doubtless there has been a closing of the gap between the two sides and my own feeling, admittedly from afar and based primarily on the polls, is that the YES vote will be between 43% - 46%, with the NO vote therefore between 54% - 57%. On this basis, I have topped up on my bet with Ladbrokes for a 40% - 45% YES result at odds of 5/2.
DYOR.
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/italy-early-thoughts.html
Unusually high number of early bets (3). NB they won't count as tips, win or lose, for the 'official' record.
What could the Scots do about it?
How, exactly, was that pathetic?
Given Cameron's a bit supine, I'll put my trust in those heartless bastards in the City to give him a shopping list which will line their pockets and gut Salmond. Nobbling the competition in Edinburgh will be top of the list I'd say.
The problem Salmond has is not realising that modern empires work more on soft influence where the dominant power still gets pretty much all it wants but doesn't have the inconvenience of policing and feeding a population. Much better to get a useful idiot to do that for you. FM Sturgeon ?
A conspiracy theory.
FPTP can work to help the tories but it does not in Scotland.
If you look at vote share the labour party does not get a majority share of the vote. The LDs get a few more votes than Tories and many more seats. LD 19% - 11 seats. Conservatives 17% 1 seat. So seats do not relate to opinion. Labour get 41 seats, 41 times the number of seats for not much more than twice the vote
59% did not vote Labour in Scotland
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9304712/divide-and-dont-rule/
Louise Mench? Coincidence or not?
So if one is prepared to chuck a few tens of millions quid about it would be entirely possible to get the MoD out of Scotland in a few months. Aside from a radar site or two but as nobody has mentioned them probably nobody will know if they carry on or maybe we can just pay some rent (a field in the middle of nowhere in Scotland rentable value 2 groats but we will give you 2 million quid p.a.).
Arguably the Knights Templar had a far greater influence on Scotland than the Jews.
http://www.supersoulsound.com/fred/posters38/BusterGonad.jpg
TV alert.
I know there are some military history buffs, so some on here may be interested in "Castles in the sky" on BBC 2 at nine this evening. The drama, featuring Eddie Izzard, outlines the development of radar in WWII, concentrating on the great Robert Watson Watt.
Warning: the promo they had for it was rather disheartening. If it does not mention Worth Matravers, Malvern, and the frankly hilarious (*) discovery of the cavity magnetron at the Uni of Birmingham, then it would be a travesty.
http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/c4j4pb/castles-in-the-sky
(*) If you are into the sort of thing.
Not my problem, of course, and I could give a big rats bottom, except as far as the Barnett formula and other associated DevoMax type stuff might affect me and mine. If, as I hope, the Scots vote ,"YES" in a couple of weeks time we shall be rid of them.
http://www.bedfordshire-news.co.uk/Lib-Dems-select-Mahmud-Henry-Rogers-parliamentary/story-22859086-detail/story.html
But I may be tempted to suspect that the kind of person (no doubt a Unionist plant, thanks Malc) who would shout at Jim Murphy in public that he was from a "nest of paedophiles" (regardless of the result of any enquiry into Westminster I don't for a moment believe that we could call the current lot in situ that) might also be convinced that the world is run by a Zionist conspiracy. I shouldn't think that you'll try to convince me otherwise.
And now check this archived version of the page: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.yesscotland.net/news/why-were-saying-yes
Yes Scotland have recently deleted this section :
The Westminster government has created yet another lost generation of young people with zero positive outlook. They care little for politics because politics cares little for them. Voting No would doom future generations to the same fate, but voting Yes might inspire confidence and hope by giving them a voice that can actually make a difference. I don't care what party leads Scotland, so long as it is a party elected by the Scottish people, then it would have my full unequivocal support. The Union has failed and we must take full control. All it requires is courage and foresight. Stuart MacKenzie (Kirkcaldy)
That shows he's a Yes supporter, which we already knew.
What it doesn't show is that he threw an egg under orders from high up in Yes Scotland, as Blair McDougall and Better Together heavily implied.
Gaby Hinsliff @gabyhinsliff 6m
Whatever you think of PM, really don't envy him right now. Juggling hostage crisis, Ukraine, #indyref, poss military action, UKIP, all...
Gaby Hinsliff @gabyhinsliff 5m
..at busiest time of political year (before conf) & 8 months from election. You'd need to be superhuman to get all that exactly right.
Though they seem to have had a reasonably sound attitude to Jews for the times. The Declaration of Arbroath:
'Therefore it is, Reverend Father and Lord, that we beseech your Holiness with our most earnest prayers and suppliant hearts, inasmuch as you will in your sincerity and goodness consider all this, that, since with Him Whose vice-gerent on earth you are there is neither weighing nor distinction of Jew and Greek, Scotsman or Englishman, you will look with the eyes of a father on the troubles and privation brought by the English upon us and upon the Church of God.'
Perhaps they were sticking it to the deceased Longshanks for his ethnic cleansing.
Re Scotland: shall we make it more interesting - 58 or better for no, and you pay for champagne and dinner... less than 55 and I'll pick up the champagne. A victory for yes, and I'll buy you champagne and dinner...
A classic case of the law of diminishing returns I would suggest.
On the other hand, it stars Eddie Izzard...
The promo says "They continued to strive to achieve their dreams against all odds, to the detriment of their personal lives and at the cost of some of their marriages."
Wow. During World War II, when people went abroad to fight and died, were maimed for life or did not see their loved ones for years, a few boffins stayed at home and had a little pressure put on their marriages.
It's not exactly the right focus for a WWII piece, is it?
"Oh, I really suffered. My mate Bertie died, but I got a splinter in my finger and my wife was awful miffed at my working hours."