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  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Is there supposed to be another MORI poll today?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Speedy said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    @MSmithsonPB 2m
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    ComRes for ITV finds support for British airstrikes against Islamist militants in iraq by 45% to 37%


    FFS, even the British public now supports the UK, let alone the USA, bombing these ISIS bastards to oblivion.

    Why isn't it happening? Why the timid response? With every day that passes ISIS grows stronger, and the day of reckoning, when we HAVE to take them out, will be that much harder.

    The question: how do you take them out?

    ISIS knows well how to defeat the high-tech, low-politics western-style military might. Make the cost of fighting seem higher in the western media than the home population can stand.

    The Vietnamese did it brilliantly in the 1970s; Afghani and Pakistani militants are doing it today. Hamas are present and past masters.

    Just put a few 'soldiers' in a soft target (weddings, schools, hospitals), and ensure compliant media are there to see he resultant strike. Let the media feel they have a scoop by letting them see what you want to see, whilst threatening them ('for their own safety') from reporting negative items. Which, as they have done a deal with you, is not a problem anyway.

    Naturally there are some very honourable exceptions to this within the media.

    Where ISIS is failing at the moment is they they are proud of their own atrocities. They will rapidly learn that lesson.
    Disagree entirely. ISIS's exultation in their cruelty, towards apostates, enemies, Shia and heathens, is part of their raison d'etre. What you're suggesting is like asking the Khmer Rouge to feel shame at killing the bourgeois. Impossible.

    ISIS won't be able to stop glorying in the deaths of infidels. They won't be able to stop their fighters tweeting the crucifixions.

    This is their achilles heel, they are always going to be loathsome.
    Sure but they're friends with Hamas and Hamas are the good guys doncha know.
    I doubt they are friends with Hamas, they want an independent palestinian state, ISIS wants a giant caliphate.
    Fancy the palestinians gaining independence only to lose it to the caliph.
    How long until the palestinians jump on the ISIS bandwagon ? They always call it wrong.
    Would that be such a surprise ? The world has not done them any favours since 1948. Particularly, fellow Arabs turned out to be the arch stabbers-in-the-back.

    At least, you would expect Hezbollah to fight ISIS ? Does Assad become our friend then ? Where are the chemical weapons ?
  • Blimey - I'm glad I missed y'days polls.... ho hum....
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,694
    Off-topic: one for the PB London brains trust.

    I managed to get some tickets for Kate Bush's concert next month (at the Hammersmith Apollo), and it will involve us spending the night in London. We've had a rather interesting year so far, and as the event is near both our fifth wedding anniversary, and tenth going-out anniversary, I wish to treat a special lady to something special.

    We live in Cambridge, so go to London often, and London in itself is not a treat. What I would like is a real 'wow' afternoon event, followed by a meal, then the concert and a hotel (central London), before we head back the following morning.

    As I'm a skinflint, say £500 (but would be willing to spend more for something really Wow!). But it does not necessarily have to be about money: we're not extravagant people. The experience and memories would mean more.

    Any ideas?
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    JackW said:

    Just a quick note of site courtesy.

    From tomorrow I shall be taking a break from PB for an indeterminate period.

    I will ensure the fortnightly ARSE 2015 General Election and JackW Dozen projections are updated accurately and published under my name and I shall possibly pop back on 18/19 Sep to accept the plaudits for McARSE

    Mrs JackW has convinced me to take a lengthy break and enjoy some restful home and foreign travel and the itinerary looks worthy of an aged Scottish Jacobite.

    Enjoy PB .... I always have ....

    Permission to go on leave is granted.

  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    @SeanT

    We have air bases in Cyprus, we have drones, we have cruise missiles.

    We have access to US satellite surveillance, we and the Yanks have intel operatives in Kurdistan.

    How hard can it be to *pintpoint* an ISIS Abrams tank, FFS.

    The UK has very few cruise missiles and even fewer available to launch East of Suez. In fact if everything is working out OK there will be one submarine with maybe a dozen on board. Not going to do much with those and they are only useful against static targets. Onc the sub has fired off its load then its back to the UK to get some more. With only seven subs in all the chances of another being immediately available for deployment are about zero.

    The flight time from Cyrus to Northern Iraq is measured in hours especially as you can't for obvious reasons over fly Syria. Not much use against mobile targets because by the time you have got there what you wanted to attack has moved, potentially hundreds of miles away. So you need to have planes with lots of loiter time, which means lots of tankers and or lots of planes, we haven't got either. We have half a dozen drones that could be deployed but again you have the time distance thing.

    I am all in favour of blowing those buggers back to the stone age if we could. The logistics and what we have left in our rather pathetic arsenal realistically means there is not much we, the UK, can do. Perhaps we could ask the Belgians to help out. Perhaps those that are screaming for action now should have been screaming against the defence cuts a few years ago.

  • Off-topic: one for the PB London brains trust.

    I managed to get some tickets for Kate Bush's concert next month (at the Hammersmith Apollo), and it will involve us spending the night in London. We've had a rather interesting year so far, and as the event is near both our fifth wedding anniversary, and tenth going-out anniversary, I wish to treat a special lady to something special.

    We live in Cambridge, so go to London often, and London in itself is not a treat. What I would like is a real 'wow' afternoon event, followed by a meal, then the concert and a hotel (central London), before we head back the following morning.

    As I'm a skinflint, say £500 (but would be willing to spend more for something really Wow!). But it does not necessarily have to be about money: we're not extravagant people. The experience and memories would mean more.

    Any ideas?

    Depends really on your respective interests - It certainly needn't be expensive. Personally I would pick the nearby for me Kew Gardens or in a very different vein The National Portrait Gallery. For a delicious meal in a great setting, I'd recommend The Wolseley on Piccadilly.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Green Party selections:

    Norwich North: Adrian Holmes.
    Norwich South: Lesley Grahame.

    twitter.com/NorwichGreens/status/499217550819864576
  • @JackW

    Have an enjoyable break, Jack, and let's all hope Matron returns your laptop before too long.
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  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Scotland Votes: What's At Stake for the UK?

    Just a reminder: BBC2 9.30 pm, Andrew Neil on Scottish Indy Referendum and its impact on rUK.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,694

    Off-topic: one for the PB London brains trust.

    I managed to get some tickets for Kate Bush's concert next month (at the Hammersmith Apollo), and it will involve us spending the night in London. We've had a rather interesting year so far, and as the event is near both our fifth wedding anniversary, and tenth going-out anniversary, I wish to treat a special lady to something special.

    We live in Cambridge, so go to London often, and London in itself is not a treat. What I would like is a real 'wow' afternoon event, followed by a meal, then the concert and a hotel (central London), before we head back the following morning.

    As I'm a skinflint, say £500 (but would be willing to spend more for something really Wow!). But it does not necessarily have to be about money: we're not extravagant people. The experience and memories would mean more.

    Any ideas?

    Depends really on your respective interests - It certainly needn't be expensive. Personally I would pick the nearby for me Kew Gardens or in a very different vein The National Portrait Gallery. For a delicious meal in a great setting, I'd recommend The Wolseley on Piccadilly.
    Thanks PtP: The Wolseley looks like a good option. I'll have to spruce myself up a bit first, though!
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689

    Off-topic: one for the PB London brains trust.

    I managed to get some tickets for Kate Bush's concert next month (at the Hammersmith Apollo), and it will involve us spending the night in London. We've had a rather interesting year so far, and as the event is near both our fifth wedding anniversary, and tenth going-out anniversary, I wish to treat a special lady to something special.

    We live in Cambridge, so go to London often, and London in itself is not a treat. What I would like is a real 'wow' afternoon event, followed by a meal, then the concert and a hotel (central London), before we head back the following morning.

    As I'm a skinflint, say £500 (but would be willing to spend more for something really Wow!). But it does not necessarily have to be about money: we're not extravagant people. The experience and memories would mean more.

    Any ideas?

    I have spent many happy afternoons at the Globe theatre in london. Not everyones cup of tea but I personally find it adds a lot to the play seeing it in the design of venue it was specifically written for

    Can I also interrupt this message to profer sincere apologies to those I played diplomacy with, I started a new job in April and the 8 hours of total commuting each day which was only meant to last about 3 weeks until the office move turned into 3 months and I was too exhausted when I got home to do much more than sleep thus causing me to miss many deadlines as also sites like diplomacy are blocked at work and I dont do smartphones as yet

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