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I understand Osborne opposed Gove move but dire opinion polling presented by Lynton Crosby of MG's standing with teachers forced change.
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Cameron better hope people give him one of his beloved "second chances" on education.
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seems fair enough.
Gove was a fair Education Minister but has now proved himself an abject politician. By bending over backwards to Cammo's whim, he has killed himself politically.
I see Nicky Morgan has climbed the greasy pole. She was a passionate supporter of Loughborough Fire Station as a Tory PPC, trying to halt the cutting of Loughborough's retained crew, citing safety concerns about not having enough crew for the largest town in Leicestershire, with a huge turnout area. Strangely enough, she's not bothered about Loughborough going to one pump, with just 4 bodies on it, a cut that will genuinely endanger both the public and firefighters now that she's in government.
How times change, eh?
Gove was everything the Conservative Party should never, ever, be again in the future.
Are you a teacher or associated with one?
What it does show - as I've said all along - is that many teachers were desperate for change, and Gove could have taken them with him (me included). He's a poor politician.
Cameron reads polls and wants to win the GE? Who knew?
In any case there is no reason at this stage to assume that Nicky Morgan won't be a good Education Sec. It may well be that, as at Health, a period of consolidation is required to bed in the reforms. We'll have to see how she fares, but in the meantime the fact that Nick Gibb and Nick Boles are going to have key roles in the department doesn't suggest a cave-in to the vested interests.
Mrs T had some ministers who were about as popular as a Hamas convention in Stamford Hill but she still went on to win a further two general elections.
All other things considered within the "It's the Economy Stupid" political theory, it's my experience that the voters also take to the three C's :
Conviction .. Character .. Competence
It looks like it will roll on, albeit in possibly a less abrasive manner...so the usual suspects are beating their breasts and rending their hair (if they have any) at another "Cameron failure/retreat/capitulation/u-turn" (delete as appropriate)...
Incidentally, although there are many on here who are ready to criticise Gove-sceptics as being on the side of "producers' interests", I would be interested to know how many of them, in turn, are actually parents of school-age children.
If he wasn't such an arsehole who believed his own hype in the Rightwing press he wouldn't have failed so badly.
As with Thatcher, Gove seems to have a lot of people's wishes projected onto him.....
Gove was an imbecile who certainly did NOT put the children first. He hasn't the first clue about learning styles or human nature. He pummelled a ludicrously outdated chalk and talk approach with reactionary politics driving an educational agenda. He had not got the first clue about how different children learn and thought everyone should slot into his Huxley-esque monochromatic and robotic methodology. He was, remarkably for someone so bright, a fool. He saw 'the teaching profession' as a hotbed of lefties, more examples of which you can see from a few posters below who have probably never set foot in a staffroom.
Actually I know very, very, few left wing teachers. They tend to get out the classroom, usually because they're useless, and join the teaching unions which is probably why you get to hear about them. Most teachers are pretty centrist but passionately believe in education and how to get the best out of children, using all sorts of fantastic mixed teaching methods within and across lessons. That is precisely the opposite of what Michael Gove stood for I'm afraid.
It's a happy day, but would be happier if the reactionary right (the Nasty Party Rump) put a collective sock in it, listen (two ears and one mouth for a reason) to others in the profession who do actually know what they're talking about, most of the time.
Cameron has balls, and he also has tremendous political savvy. He got this spot on.
What would make me happy would be if we had an education system that actually worked rather than the third rate rubbish we are currently lumbered with. And I lay most of the blame for that at the feet of teachers who seem to think the education system is there for them and not for the children.
But then of course as Ed has far worse ratings than Dave it just leaves me to consider that :
Ed Miliband Will Never Be Prime Minister
My bigger concern is that this is no time for treading water. We need even more radical change to improve our parlous education system and I fear that if all Nicky Morgan is able to do is maintain what has already been done it will be no where near enough.
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Pre-GE2010, 33% of teachers supported the Conservatives, 32% Labour. It's right up there. Right at the top. In green. Look at it.
And, repeat after me, the plural of anecdote is not data. Even if you do claim to know "dozens of teachers".
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I'm old enough to have seen about a dozen secretaries of state being vilified by teachers.
One positive re Gove is his encouragement of decent research in education, and the fact that he has cultivated relationships with some in the profession who are pushing for this.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-27087942
Teachers teach what they are told to teach and they do the admin they are told to do.
Presumably you believe that the teachers who strike because they believe that education policy is wrong are doing the right thing.
Repeat after me. El Capitano can't count.
Gove should not despair, after all House of Cards is based on the premise that the whips office leads to the highest office, after all it led Francis Urquhart to Downing Street and Frank Underwood to the White House
Which specific policies was it?
Or was it just a de haut en bas management style ?
I appreciate the timeliness of the thread but it's been said many times before, today, and is far from extraordinary. Gove just alienated too many people. Rank and file teachers, good ordinary teachers, leftie teachers, rightie teachers, the NUT, all sorts. So he went and Cam did well to let him go.
And may I add my congrats, SO, to you on your wedding anniversary. A great milestone.
I liked the fact that Gove wanted high standards for all. There has been too often a culture of mediocrity and making excuses for failure.
But I don't know enough about the details to say whether he was going the right way about things. On the whole, if you want people to change you have to change the people - usually by persuasion - and if that does not work by actually changing the people. It does seem as if the very people whom he needed on side weren't - and to a degree which made the next stage very difficult.
But those who criticise his confrontational attitude - which could just as easily be described as someone challenging lazy assumptions - are being a bit silly. Sometimes confrontation / challenge is needed. Look at the praise May got for, rightly in my view, telling the Police Federation a few home truths.
Teachers are not some special case who are beyond challenge or who should think themselves beyond challenge. No group is. No group should be.
The concerns expressed by those wondering what Gove's departure mean may be the fear that that mindset will resurrect itself. "We're teachers, we're right, we've been hard done by, how dare you criticise us, we're trying our best for your children etc...." And as a parent I say: "Sorry: no-one gets a free pass. If you're good, great. But if you're rubbish - and my child is suffering, you need to be told and you need to do something about - and sharpish."
Funding per pupil should be skewed heavily in favour of the remainder of secondary education - probably in the 60/40 range.
Hanging is too good for scum like this.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28299335
This parent of a young child is delighted to see the back of Gove. He believed that education was about filling a bucket. The wise among us know it is about lighting a fire.
Sadly, I'm not sure replacing him with a demonstrable reactionary who seeks to prevent adults who love each other from marrying is great news either. Great sacking by Cam - absolute masterstroke. But seems a bonkers appointment.
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Perhaps it is one of those fleeting PB mysteries sent by Gove to try us.
The map above suggests that there are constituencies where 10% of the population (or electorate?) are teachers - Presumably well-sourced, since Election-Data is a good blog, but I find that slightly staggering.
'Well we certainly know the teachers don't care - or very few of them anyway - or they would never have allowed the past few decades of collapsing standards. Once you get to the point where your organisation is fundamentally broken and those who are still working in it are complicit in its destruction then there really isn't much point trying to get them onside.'
Richard, you will hopefully read El Capitano's decapitation below of your post about how teachers voted in 2010. It's all there, as he (she?) points out but if you want to push anecdotes above fact there's not much that can be said in response, except perhaps you could do with a return to education.
I will, however, respond about falling standards. What a load of bollocks. My sisters went through the comprehensive fiasco in the 1970's, and education has been through a torrid time for several decades. However, standards have not 'collapsed,' the system is not 'fundamentally broken,' and teachers have not been 'complicit in its destruction.' You really haven't a clue what you are talking about, have you? Come on, fess up man. When was the last time you sat through a day's teaching in a state school? No I thought not.
There are some phenomenal teachers in the profession, with staggeringly good resources and real savvy about learning styles and what makes an outstanding lesson. The inspection regime for all its myriad faults has raised the bar out of sight from 15 or 20 years ago, producing its own headaches on grade inflation (cue 'dumbing down' argument): the better you teach, the more a handle the children get, the easier it becomes to pass the exams. That's another side-topic however.
I have seen some superb teaching and teachers working under tough conditions. Don't get me wrong, not everything Gove said was wrong but the man was a buffoon for alienating an entire profession who actually would have been biddable.
And my final comment comes from one of the senior Inspectors. He walked into the DfES recently and said it was hushed, noiseless, hallowed. The one thing you didn't hear, and which the Inspector was tempted to get piped into the building, was the noise of children.
Gove's free schools were sometimes good for the tiny minority of children who went to one. Others were run by deranged religious nutters. Most children, however, go to neither - and instead see DFE funding diverted to Gove's pet projects.
The "blob" was Goves witty term for the teaching profession.
Begs the question any other of these demographic maps? Firefighters? Doctors? Butchers, bakers, candlestick makers?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2692851/Waiter-s-fly-scoop-Sky-News-political-editor-Adam-Boulton-swallows-fly-reports-Cabinet-reshuffle-live-outside-Number-10.html
http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/education-committee/news/extremism-in-schools-gove/
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I still use that all the time at work
You don't quote the whole "Knights of Ni" scene do you?
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