'More than 10' politicians on list held by police investigating Westminster 'paedophile ring' Whistleblower who prompted Operation Fernbridge says up to 40 MPs and peers knew about or took part in child abuse
Some talking head on Newsnight has got upset about these new carriers and is now calling for the abolition of the Eurofighter too, on the grounds that it is too "baroque" and "complex" and "breaks down all the time". And I can't work out if that is because they are a complete muppet or if it's because they are a global expert and professor at LSE.
I do hope she never hears about the JSF, I'm a bit worried she'd explode.
'More than 10' politicians on list held by police investigating Westminster 'paedophile ring' Whistleblower who prompted Operation Fernbridge says up to 40 MPs and peers knew about or took part in child abuse
Some talking head on Newsnight has got upset about these new carriers and is now calling for the abolition of the Eurofighter too, on the grounds that it is too "baroque" and "complex" and "breaks down all the time". And I can't work out if that is because they are a complete muppet or if it's because they are a global expert and professor at LSE.
I do hope she never hears about the JSF, I'm a bit worried she'd explode.
It can't be right that just one complaint that a sentence is unduly lenient is enough to trigger an automatic review.
It seems impractical, in the sense that there's always some member of the general public who will think that any sentence is too lenient. And unfair, in the sense that not all cases get the same publicity, and publicised cases might well be more likely to attract complaints. But I don't think setting a threshold like "ten complaints" works either. Or a hundred even. Remember that 30,000+ people wrote to the BBC to complain about Ross and Brand. (My local postmaster - perhaps this was just canny business on his part - actively advertised in-branch for people to write to the BBC to complain, with a poster showing the requisite address.)
The hurdle should clearly require only a single complaint, since it may be the victim alone who seeks to complain and most cases receive zero publicity. I am somewhat surprised that there is apparently no requirement that the complainant has some material connection with the case.
Well quite - though of course all new aircraft have teething issues - but that wasn't what I found so comic. She wasn't even calling for the government to pull out of the JSF... she was calling for it to scrap the Eurofighter.
I'd have been curious to see what her suggested alternative was. Since her complaint was that it was too complex and expensive and didn't work properly, presumably she'd be delighted if we reverted a generation, picked up some tried-and-tested bargain-basement second-hand F-16s.
I think in reality she just wanted the abolition of the RAF but didn't want to say so, because it would make her sound a bit barmy (or at least, beyond the current Overton Window). Whereas claiming that the Eurofighter should be scrapped because it is a "baroque technology" and represented poor value-for-money and has various engineering flaws, makes it sounds like a reasonable technical argument and she knows whereof she speaks. Might even sound convincing to those people who recall the money rows about the Eurofighter in the early 1990s, or who can remember its various teething difficulties, or who just don't like the word "Euro-anything" and miss the good old British planes that won us the Falklands.
I am not a military buff, nor a professor at LSE, but her proposal of scrapping the Eurofighter because it is too new and complicated gives rise to a feeling of comical light-headedness, a reaction to the inevitable thinning of the atmosphere as the heights of absurdity are fearlessly scaled. (The giveaway for me is that its famed development hell was in the 1990s, and the type has been in service for around a decade. Any reversion would presumably involve permanent retention of 1970s technology - only a good idea if one believed it would be glorious to fight outmatched against whichever even second-world country we next end up in a military entangelement with.) This far above sanity level, blood will surely boil away if in some visitation of the font of internet wisdom, the novelty and complexity and doesn't-yet-workedness of the JSF were revealed unto her.
Don't be ridiculous. If the evidence leads to convictions, it will be supported, roundly. And it's not like it's 'the Tories' that have to worry about where this will lead
Re '7 detectives' against the sixteen billion that investigated Sienna Millers dinner plans being listened to. It's a police issue, and the police myst answer to it. You can't turn everything into a 'govt' issue, how ever much it might be expedient.
Less chance of being sorted if it gets too party political.
Absolutely. That won't stop the usual suspects, here and in the real world trying to capitalise on it though. Perhaps best they find out where it leads first.
Less chance of being sorted if it gets too party political.
Absolutely. That won't stop the usual suspects, here and in the real world trying to capitalise on it though. Perhaps best they find out where it leads first.
Less chance of being sorted if it gets too party political.
Absolutely. That won't stop the usual suspects, here and in the real world trying to capitalise on it though. Perhaps best they find out where it leads first.
Best if they do it despite where it leads.
Oh agreed, it must proceed regardless of where it leads. I'm talking about those on the outside looking in, as it were
Guys, as made clear for obvious reasons down thread, PB Mods / Mike has asked for posters to be not be making claims in regards to this stuff that can't be backed up with a link from a major news outlet.
I think making claims of cover ups etc is way over the line.
Interesting that Michael Howard didn't say, "Don't be ridiculous, I'm too old".
I would be impressed if it was Michael Howard. We need to show Europe that we mean business. Sharp mind, no pushover.
Ticks all the boxes for anything except EUCO president: # Sceptically-minded voters will think what you just said. # Heavyweight politician with plenty of actual governing experience. # Dave owes him a favour. # Retired from domestic politics, so Juncker won't need to worry that he'a going to grandstand to the British papers instead of getting on with his job.
Guys, as made clear for obvious reasons down thread, PB Mods / Mike has asked for posters to be not be making claims in regards to this stuff that can't be backed up with a link from a major news outlet.
I think making claims of cover ups etc is way over the line.
Remind me, which MPs were even charged for child sex offences between 1970 to 2010?
If you cannot name any (I certainly can't remember any), would you please tell me what's our MPs' secret to avoiding the affliction that affected the BBC, Prison Service, music schools, Catholic clergy, etc?
Guys, as made clear for obvious reasons down thread, PB Mods / Mike has asked for posters to be not be making claims in regards to this stuff that can't be backed up with a link from a major news outlet.
I think making claims of cover ups etc is way over the line.
Fair comment, and I'm more than happy for anything I've said to be deleted if it crosses a boundary (which I don't think it does) To clarify, I am making no accusation against anyone, or any party about any activity historic or current, but I am pointing out that, far from a party political issue, this is likely to lead to a far wider investigation wherein all sorts may be uncovered. If anyone wants particular scandal, DYOR, there's plenty out there.
Less chance of being sorted if it gets too party political.
Absolutely. That won't stop the usual suspects, here and in the real world trying to capitalise on it though. Perhaps best they find out where it leads first.
Best if they do it despite where it leads.
Oh agreed, it must proceed regardless of where it leads. I'm talking about those on the outside looking in, as it were
Guys, as made clear for obvious reasons down thread, PB Mods / Mike has asked for posters to be not be making claims in regards to this stuff that can't be backed up with a link from a major news outlet.
I think making claims of cover ups etc is way over the line.
Remind me, which MPs were even charged for child sex offences between 1970 to 2010?
If you cannot name any (I certainly can't remember any), would you please tell me what's our MPs' secret to avoiding the affliction that affected the BBC, Prison Service, music schools, Catholic clergy, etc?
Or, of course, there's been a cover up.
What I might think about this is one thing, but what OGH has asked us to do is another. I think for the good of the site we should follow his requests and stick to media articles and not speculation.
Mr Richard’s (sick) intervention follows claims last week by former Tory Minister Edwina Currie that Morrison had sex with 16-year-old boys when the age of consent was 21 and that he had been protected by a ‘culture of sniggering’. In her diaries, she called him ‘a noted pederast’, with a liking for young boys.
A force spokesman said: “Leicestershire Police can confirm that in March 2014 its officers carried out a search of part of the House of Lords in connection with an ongoing inquiry into non-recent child sexual abuse.
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Whistleblower who prompted Operation Fernbridge says up to 40 MPs and peers knew about or took part in child abuse
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10947561/More-than-10-politicians-on-list-held-by-police-investigating-Westminster-paedophile-ring.html
Tick tick tick tick...
I do hope she never hears about the JSF, I'm a bit worried she'd explode.
Could make for a very anti Westminster politician environment in the next ten months or so
Probably looked up the list of problems on Wiki?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II
The hurdle should clearly require only a single complaint, since it may be the victim alone who seeks to complain and most cases receive zero publicity. I am somewhat surprised that there is apparently no requirement that the complainant has some material connection with the case.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9678697/Sir-Cyril-Smith-sex-abuse-dossier-seized-by-MI5.html
I'd have been curious to see what her suggested alternative was. Since her complaint was that it was too complex and expensive and didn't work properly, presumably she'd be delighted if we reverted a generation, picked up some tried-and-tested bargain-basement second-hand F-16s.
I think in reality she just wanted the abolition of the RAF but didn't want to say so, because it would make her sound a bit barmy (or at least, beyond the current Overton Window). Whereas claiming that the Eurofighter should be scrapped because it is a "baroque technology" and represented poor value-for-money and has various engineering flaws, makes it sounds like a reasonable technical argument and she knows whereof she speaks. Might even sound convincing to those people who recall the money rows about the Eurofighter in the early 1990s, or who can remember its various teething difficulties, or who just don't like the word "Euro-anything" and miss the good old British planes that won us the Falklands.
I am not a military buff, nor a professor at LSE, but her proposal of scrapping the Eurofighter because it is too new and complicated gives rise to a feeling of comical light-headedness, a reaction to the inevitable thinning of the atmosphere as the heights of absurdity are fearlessly scaled. (The giveaway for me is that its famed development hell was in the 1990s, and the type has been in service for around a decade. Any reversion would presumably involve permanent retention of 1970s technology - only a good idea if one believed it would be glorious to fight outmatched against whichever even second-world country we next end up in a military entangelement with.) This far above sanity level, blood will surely boil away if in some visitation of the font of internet wisdom, the novelty and complexity and doesn't-yet-workedness of the JSF were revealed unto her.
7 detectives assigned to the case
There were 200 into the phone hacking affair
I think thís is going to blow the Tory party apart
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2681117/Cameron-orders-probe-happened-missing-dossier-alleged-paedophile-activity-Westminster-1980s.html
And it's not like it's 'the Tories' that have to worry about where this will lead
It's a police issue, and the police myst answer to it.
You can't turn everything into a 'govt' issue, how ever much it might be expedient.
That won't stop the usual suspects, here and in the real world trying to capitalise on it though.
Perhaps best they find out where it leads first.
Result - comedy heaven
I'm talking about those on the outside looking in, as it were
I think making claims of cover ups etc is way over the line.
# Sceptically-minded voters will think what you just said.
# Heavyweight politician with plenty of actual governing experience.
# Dave owes him a favour.
# Retired from domestic politics, so Juncker won't need to worry that he'a going to grandstand to the British papers instead of getting on with his job.
If you cannot name any (I certainly can't remember any), would you please tell me what's our MPs' secret to avoiding the affliction that affected the BBC, Prison Service, music schools, Catholic clergy, etc?
Or, of course, there's been a cover up.
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To clarify, I am making no accusation against anyone, or any party about any activity historic or current, but I am pointing out that, far from a party political issue, this is likely to lead to a far wider investigation wherein all sorts may be uncovered.
If anyone wants particular scandal, DYOR, there's plenty out there.
Has OGH said whereabouts he will be watching from tomorrow?
Read more: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Police-search-Leicester-peer-Greville-Janner-s/story-21278472-detail/story.html#ixzz36YJH6iC2
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2523526/How-Labour-Deputy-Harriet-Harman-shadow-minister-husband-Health-Secretary-Patricia-Hewitt-linked-group-lobbying-right-sex-children.html