Don't want to sound po-faced as most posts are treating the Farage incident as mildly amusing, but it's unacceptable that any legal party should be prevented from holding a meeting unless it's a deliberate provocation like Mosley's East End march. (Yeah, the BNP and people who want sharia law should be able to meet too.) Noisy counter-demos fine, but that's it. These things are defined by the controversial cases, not by the right of the Mothers' Union to meet in the church hall.
Am okay after the Edinburgh fracas but if that is the face of Scottish Nationalism then it's pretty ugly.
He rued the day...
I hope it wasn't that Kelly chap stirring them up. The Daily Mail says that the so called 'protesters' were calling out anti English slogans on the one hand and called Farage an evil nazi, on the other. Maybe these Scotts equate all the English as nazis.
In his book 'Xanadu', William Dalrymple posits the theory that Turkish men are prone to homosexuality because Turkish women are so ugly
It's interesting that he'd never get away with saying that today.
I'm not sure he's right. However, it makes genetic sense that women from conservative Muslim countries are likely to become relatively less attractive over time, as uglier women have just as much chance of breeding, thanks to the veil/burqa/arranged marriages, etc
When I went to Istanbul I thought the young women were by far the most attractive I've ever seen anywhere. Not sure what happened to them after the age of 50 though.
"5.3 million fewer British-born people describing themselves as Christians, a decline of 15 per cent in just a decade"
"In another 20 years there are going to be more active Muslims than there are churchgoers"
Surely it's now time to do away with all the nonsense - Bishops in the House of Lords, Queen head of the Church of England etc etc.
Of course knowing Britain the old guard will cling on desperately for as long as possible until the bitter end.
But deep down, everyone now knows the game is up. In a way the Gay Marriage debate is a perfect example. The Church of England is against and yet people who pretend to be Christians actually don't care less and just ignore the church as they know that the change is inevitable.
Don't want to sound po-faced as most posts are treating the Farage incident as mildly amusing, but it's unacceptable that any legal party should be prevented from holding a meeting unless it's a deliberate provocation like Mosley's East End march. (Yeah, the BNP and people who want sharia law should be able to meet too.) Noisy counter-demos fine, but that's it. These things are defined by the controversial cases, not by the right of the Mothers' Union to meet in the church hall.
I agree, thank God he is unscathed, but I think the story of Farage locked in a Pub etc will play well with the present UKIP story, and few English voters will be put off by a load of Scots telling him "get back to your own country you racist"
Against Cameron (an empty suit), EdM, despite having a face for radio and a voice for silent films (sub-titles would be unintelligible), looked likely to win by default. But Farage could be the black swan.
I like election night. It's a bit like the Eurovision song contest; the contestants are awful, but the fun is in the voting patterns. A one-sided event is dull.
Pregunta. En caso de una victoria del sí en el referéndum que tiene previsto organizar sobre la salida de la UE, ¿estaría dispuesto a retirarse de la Unión?
(In the case of a victory in the referendum for leaving the EU, would you be willing to withdraw from the Union?)
Respuesta. No me gustaría.
I am trying to work out what that means. The strict translation is 'No I would'. So is it supposed to be "No I would not" or "yes I would?"
Trying to work out if Cameron is saying it doesn't matter how we vote ina referendum he still wouldn't allow us to leave the EU?
What would be the problem with an immigration policy that allowed freedom of movement between countries on a "swap" basis, ie one Bugarian immigrant for every Brit wanting to live in Bulgaria, one Brit pensioner allowed in Spain for every Spaniard that lives in Britain?
A couple of blokes I know work in Sofia for a betting firm, so theres 2 Bulgarians allowed in already!
What would be your attitude towards someone like my wife, who came to Britain from Turkey a little over ten years ago. She is a highly-educated, highly-paid engineer, who has been in continuous employment (bar the odd week or two) since she came over.
How many people would have to leave to allow someone like her in, especially from a (gasp!) Muslim, non-EU country?
It's a serious question. It's not just about numbers of people, but also skills.
You could go down the Ali G route and only let in "fit" women!
Three years more than the average sentence for rape
Rape sentences now average eight years, Ministry of Justice figures show Rapists now face longer in jail than those convicted of manslaughter, according to 2010 criminal justice statistics
The 2010 criminal justice statistics show that the average sentence for rape of a woman was just over 97 months, two months higher than the 2009 figure and significantly higher than the 78 months – or six-and-a-half years – that was typical in 1996 when the Conservatives were last in power.
It's both stunning that rape only gets eight years and that slavery only counts for three more than that. Crimes this violent should be getting decades. Sadly the establishment seems to think rehabilitation is so much more important than either punishment or deterrent.
From what you posted he wasn't charged with slavery. Punishments are much tougher now than they were in the eighties and nineties and crime is falling and has been for years.Not sure how your deterrent argument fits in there.
Easy to keep the crime figures down when crimes that are widely abhorred get ignored for 5 years
iainmartin1 Farage greeted by idiot demonstrators in Scotland. Worth 3 points on @UKIP poll rating on both sides of border. bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla…
So they'll be on 3 points in Scotland now..
The masked just slipped to reveal the true ugly face of Scottish Nationalism. So much for free speech.
Please Moniker, remember scottish nationalism isn't anti english, the protestors were shouting get back to England because he's married to a german - or something.
Pregunta. En caso de una victoria del sí en el referéndum que tiene previsto organizar sobre la salida de la UE, ¿estaría dispuesto a retirarse de la Unión?
(In the case of a victory in the referendum for leaving the EU, would you be willing to withdraw from the Union?)
Respuesta. No me gustaría.
I am trying to work out what that means. The strict translation is 'No I would'. So is it supposed to be "No I would not" or "yes I would?"
Trying to work out if Cameron is saying it doesn't matter how we vote ina referendum he still wouldn't allow us to leave the EU?
"5.3 million fewer British-born people describing themselves as Christians, a decline of 15 per cent in just a decade"
"In another 20 years there are going to be more active Muslims than there are churchgoers"
Surely it's now time to do away with all the nonsense - Bishops in the House of Lords, Queen head of the Church of England etc etc.
Of course knowing Britain the old guard will cling on desperately for as long as possible until the bitter end.
But deep down, everyone now knows the game is up. In a way the Gay Marriage debate is a perfect example. The Church of England is against and yet people who pretend to be Christians actually don't care less and just ignore the church as they know that the change is inevitable.
iainmartin1 Farage greeted by idiot demonstrators in Scotland. Worth 3 points on @UKIP poll rating on both sides of border. bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla…
So they'll be on 3 points in Scotland now..
The masked just slipped to reveal the true ugly face of Scottish Nationalism. So much for free speech.
Please Moniker, remember scottish nationalism isn't anti english, the protestors were shouting get back to England because he's married to a german - or something.
Anti-English? I bet they used the English language to make their point!
Pregunta. En caso de una victoria del sí en el referéndum que tiene previsto organizar sobre la salida de la UE, ¿estaría dispuesto a retirarse de la Unión?
(In the case of a victory in the referendum for leaving the EU, would you be willing to withdraw from the Union?)
Respuesta. No me gustaría.
I am trying to work out what that means. The strict translation is 'No I would'. So is it supposed to be "No I would not" or "yes I would?"
Trying to work out if Cameron is saying it doesn't matter how we vote ina referendum he still wouldn't allow us to leave the EU?
quick translation
No me gustaria = It wouldn't please me\ I wouldn't be happy.
Pregunta. En caso de una victoria del sí en el referéndum que tiene previsto organizar sobre la salida de la UE, ¿estaría dispuesto a retirarse de la Unión?
(In the case of a victory in the referendum for leaving the EU, would you be willing to withdraw from the Union?)
Respuesta. No me gustaría.
I am trying to work out what that means. The strict translation is 'No I would'. So is it supposed to be "No I would not" or "yes I would?"
Trying to work out if Cameron is saying it doesn't matter how we vote ina referendum he still wouldn't allow us to leave the EU?
It means " I wouldn't like it ".
Brilliant, thanks Moniker. So just his standard response then.
iainmartin1 Farage greeted by idiot demonstrators in Scotland. Worth 3 points on @UKIP poll rating on both sides of border. bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla…
So they'll be on 3 points in Scotland now..
The masked just slipped to reveal the true ugly face of Scottish Nationalism. So much for free speech.
Please Moniker, remember scottish nationalism isn't anti english, the protestors were shouting get back to England because he's married to a german - or something.
"Go home ya huns" is a popular football chant used by football attendees north of the border - aimed at teams of a blue or maroon persuasion apparently for their support of the House of Windsor.
iainmartin1 Farage greeted by idiot demonstrators in Scotland. Worth 3 points on @UKIP poll rating on both sides of border. bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla…
So they'll be on 3 points in Scotland now..
The masked just slipped to reveal the true ugly face of Scottish Nationalism. So much for free speech.
Please Moniker, remember scottish nationalism isn't anti english, the protestors were shouting get back to England because he's married to a german - or something.
"Go home ya huns" is a popular football chant used by football attendees north of the border - aimed at teams of a blue or maroon persuasion apparently for their support of the House of Windsor.
Belfast slang sir H
Huns and Jaffas = prods Taigs and Micks = catholics
Christianity is easily the least oppressive of the world's religions.
No Sharia No caste system No dress code (especially for women) No headgear No dietary rules
It depends on what you mean by Christianity. If you include Romanism within it, then your argument is open to doubt. Traditional Romanist Doctrine, as expressed by their official theologian Aquinas, calls for the execution of relapsed heretics, the criminalisation of suicide, and rampant discrimination against Jews and Saracens, among other authoritarian measures. Romanism is also a political ideology designed to enslave princes and peoples to the jurisdiction of the bishop of Rome, whom the papists claim possesses a plenitude of power without limit of weight, number or measure (Aegidius Romanus, James of Viterbo). Any prince who tries to give liberty to his subjects greater than that the limited amount conceded by the Romanists' system of superstition, idolatry and priestcraft, is liable to excommunication, whereupon even the most conservative of theologians (John of Paris) would hold that it was lawful for his subjects to murder him.
"5.3 million fewer British-born people describing themselves as Christians, a decline of 15 per cent in just a decade"
"In another 20 years there are going to be more active Muslims than there are churchgoers"
Surely it's now time to do away with all the nonsense - Bishops in the House of Lords, Queen head of the Church of England etc etc.
Of course knowing Britain the old guard will cling on desperately for as long as possible until the bitter end.
But deep down, everyone now knows the game is up. In a way the Gay Marriage debate is a perfect example. The Church of England is against and yet people who pretend to be Christians actually don't care less and just ignore the church as they know that the change is inevitable.
Sorry to break it to you, but the Inquisition also expired long ago, and Cardinal Fang no longer exists.
Aquinas was canonised by John XXII, and described by Benedict XV in the encyclical Fausto Appetente Die of 1921 as 'among the ... heralds and defenders of Christian wisdom ... in whom especially ... God "deigned to enlighten his Church."' Merely because the Church of Rome lacks the temporal power to launch an inquisition at the present time doesn't mean that it wouldn't if it got the chance.
So the extreme left wing group Radical Independence protest against perceived racism by displaying all the hate and intolerance that they accuse UKIP of...
Sorry to break it to you, but the Inquisition also expired long ago, and Cardinal Fang no longer exists.
Aquinas was canonised by John XXII, and described by Benedict XV in the encyclical Fausto Appetente Die of 1921 as 'among the ... heralds and defenders of Christian wisdom ... in whom especially ... God "deigned to enlighten his Church."' Merely because the Church of Rome lacks the temporal power to launch an inquisition at the present time doesn't mean that it wouldn't if it got the chance.
How many adherents of the "Romanism" as you described earlier are there in the UK?
Sorry to break it to you, but the Inquisition also expired long ago, and Cardinal Fang no longer exists.
Christians vary a bit today too, you know. I used to have an Open Brethren school in my constituency. They didn't vote, but took a keen interest in politics and asked to come on a visit to Parliament. I showed them round, and noticed that the modestly-dressed girls all deferred to the boys. When we sat down, I offered them tea and biscuits - they declined, explaining sharply that they did not eat in the presence of unbelievers. Um, I said, well, do you have any questions? Again, only the boys spoke...
But yes, the CoE is admirably relaxed. Unfortunately, that seems not to be what the market wants. Either peopole want fierce belief or they don't want to bother at all.
What would be the problem with an immigration policy that allowed freedom of movement between countries on a "swap" basis, ie one Bugarian immigrant for every Brit wanting to live in Bulgaria, one Brit pensioner allowed in Spain for every Spaniard that lives in Britain?
A couple of blokes I know work in Sofia for a betting firm, so theres 2 Bulgarians allowed in already!
What would be your attitude towards someone like my wife, who came to Britain from Turkey a little over ten years ago. She is a highly-educated, highly-paid engineer, who has been in continuous employment (bar the odd week or two) since she came over.
How many people would have to leave to allow someone like her in, especially from a (gasp!) Muslim, non-EU country?
It's a serious question. It's not just about numbers of people, but also skills.
You could go down the Ali G route and only let in "fit" women!
Easy to forget how brilliant he was before he became known and jumped the shark.
Remember the Rhodes Boyson one on imperial measurements in school (among other things)?
"Who ever bought a kilo of anything? – except for me mate Dave, and he's doing a four year stretch"
So the extreme left wing group Radical Independence protest against perceived racism by displaying all the hate and intolerance that they accuse UKIP of...
Sorry to break it to you, but the Inquisition also expired long ago, and Cardinal Fang no longer exists.
Christians vary a bit today too, you know. I used to have an Open Brethren school in my constituency. They didn't vote, but took a keen interest in politics and asked to come on a visit to Parliament. I showed them round, and noticed that the modestly-dressed girls all deferred to the boys. When we sat down, I offered them tea and biscuits - they declined, explaining sharply that they did not eat in the presence of unbelievers. Um, I said, well, do you have any questions? Again, only the boys spoke...
But yes, the CoE is admirably relaxed. Unfortunately, that seems not to be what the market wants. Either peopole want fierce belief or they don't want to bother at all.
I had to look up Open Brethren Nick, having never heard of them. I discovered that they are but one branch of the Plymouth Brethren, the other being the Exclusive Brethren. The latter, says my source, have "cultic" overtones.
What would be the problem with an immigration policy that allowed freedom of movement between countries on a "swap" basis, ie one Bugarian immigrant for every Brit wanting to live in Bulgaria, one Brit pensioner allowed in Spain for every Spaniard that lives in Britain?
A couple of blokes I know work in Sofia for a betting firm, so theres 2 Bulgarians allowed in already!
What would be your attitude towards someone like my wife, who came to Britain from Turkey a little over ten years ago. She is a highly-educated, highly-paid engineer, who has been in continuous employment (bar the odd week or two) since she came over.
How many people would have to leave to allow someone like her in, especially from a (gasp!) Muslim, non-EU country?
It's a serious question. It's not just about numbers of people, but also skills.
You could go down the Ali G route and only let in "fit" women!
Easy to forget how brilliant he was before he became known and jumped the shark.
Remember the Rhodes Boyson one on imperial measurements in school (among other things)?
"Who ever bought a kilo of anything? – except for me mate Dave, and he's doing a four year stretch"
So the extreme left wing group Radical Independence protest against perceived racism by displaying all the hate and intolerance that they accuse UKIP of...
Now Alanis, that's ironic.
Book your tickets for Glasgow 2014 now !
What larks we can expect at the festival of sport and colonialism that is the Commonwealth Games?
So the extreme left wing group Radical Independence protest against perceived racism by displaying all the hate and intolerance that they accuse UKIP of...
Now Alanis, that's ironic.
Book your tickets for Glasgow 2014 now !
What larks we can expect at the festival of sport and colonialism that is the Commonwealth Games?
What would be the problem with an immigration policy that allowed freedom of movement between countries on a "swap" basis, ie one Bugarian immigrant for every Brit wanting to live in Bulgaria, one Brit pensioner allowed in Spain for every Spaniard that lives in Britain?
A couple of blokes I know work in Sofia for a betting firm, so theres 2 Bulgarians allowed in already!
What would be your attitude towards someone like my wife, who came to Britain from Turkey a little over ten years ago. She is a highly-educated, highly-paid engineer, who has been in continuous employment (bar the odd week or two) since she came over.
How many people would have to leave to allow someone like her in, especially from a (gasp!) Muslim, non-EU country?
It's a serious question. It's not just about numbers of people, but also skills.
You could go down the Ali G route and only let in "fit" women!
Easy to forget how brilliant he was before he became known and jumped the shark.
Remember the Rhodes Boyson one on imperial measurements in school (among other things)?
"Who ever bought a kilo of anything? – except for me mate Dave, and he's doing a four year stretch"
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Re: Farage protest - "There was no violence, no punches thrown, no missiles lobbed."
Until any evidence of thuggishness, I'll leave the sanctimonious posturing to your good selves.
That must be why he left in a Police van.
I'm in two minds about Indpendence now. Hope the majority vote 'Yes' so we can be rid of the whiners once and for all, or the 'No' wins and we get to enjoy the continued whinging of the losing Nats.
The last time I spoke to my parish priest, he was pretty relaxed about women being priests and having married priests, but there will be a few who tend more to fundamentalism. With over a billion "papists" to choose from, you bound to find some odd views.
I expect Chris Patten is at this very moment plotting to overthrow the monarchy to bring back Cardinal Fang and the comfy chair.
The 'sects' are certainly odd but they tend to be "Proddy."
What would be the problem with an immigration policy that allowed freedom of movement between countries on a "swap" basis, ie one Bugarian immigrant for every Brit wanting to live in Bulgaria, one Brit pensioner allowed in Spain for every Spaniard that lives in Britain?
A couple of blokes I know work in Sofia for a betting firm, so theres 2 Bulgarians allowed in already!
What would be your attitude towards someone like my wife, who came to Britain from Turkey a little over ten years ago. She is a highly-educated, highly-paid engineer, who has been in continuous employment (bar the odd week or two) since she came over.
How many people would have to leave to allow someone like her in, especially from a (gasp!) Muslim, non-EU country?
It's a serious question. It's not just about numbers of people, but also skills.
You could go down the Ali G route and only let in "fit" women!
Easy to forget how brilliant he was before he became known and jumped the shark.
Remember the Rhodes Boyson one on imperial measurements in school (among other things)?
"Who ever bought a kilo of anything? – except for me mate Dave, and he's doing a four year stretch"
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Re: Farage protest - "There was no violence, no punches thrown, no missiles lobbed."
Until any evidence of thuggishness, I'll leave the sanctimonious posturing to your good selves.
That must be why he left in a Police van.
I'm in two minds about Indpendence now. Hope the majority vote 'Yes' so we can be rid of the whiners once and for all, or the 'No' wins and we get to enjoy the continued whinging of the losing Nats.
Tricky one.
i can't see the whinging stopping with Indy, if anything it will increase see Ireland 1922-2000
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Ruined his day.
"5.3 million fewer British-born people describing themselves as Christians, a decline of 15 per cent in just a decade"
"In another 20 years there are going to be more active Muslims than there are churchgoers"
Surely it's now time to do away with all the nonsense - Bishops in the House of Lords, Queen head of the Church of England etc etc.
Of course knowing Britain the old guard will cling on desperately for as long as possible until the bitter end.
But deep down, everyone now knows the game is up. In a way the Gay Marriage debate is a perfect example. The Church of England is against and yet people who pretend to be Christians actually don't care less and just ignore the church as they know that the change is inevitable.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10062745/Christianity-declining-50pc-faster-than-thought-as-one-in-10-under-25s-is-a-Muslim.html
At least UKIP may make the 2015 GE interesting.
Against Cameron (an empty suit), EdM, despite having a face for radio and a voice for silent films (sub-titles would be unintelligible), looked likely to win by default. But Farage could be the black swan.
I like election night. It's a bit like the Eurovision song contest; the contestants are awful, but the fun is in the voting patterns. A one-sided event is dull.
Not sure if this was reported at the time but a very interesting interview that Cameron gave to the El Pais newspaper in Spain last month
http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/04/08/actualidad/1365419719_656809.html
It opens with this exchange:
Pregunta. En caso de una victoria del sí en el referéndum que tiene previsto organizar sobre la salida de la UE, ¿estaría dispuesto a retirarse de la Unión?
(In the case of a victory in the referendum for leaving the EU, would you be willing to withdraw from the Union?)
Respuesta. No me gustaría.
I am trying to work out what that means. The strict translation is 'No I would'. So is it supposed to be "No I would not" or "yes I would?"
Trying to work out if Cameron is saying it doesn't matter how we vote ina referendum he still wouldn't allow us to leave the EU?
http://www.markpack.org.uk/41149/labour-council-hires-spin-doctor-on-salary-equal-to-169000pa/?wt=3&utm_source=WordTwit&utm_campaign=wordtwit&utm_medium=referral
No Sharia
No caste system
No dress code (especially for women)
No headgear
No dietary rules
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/78436/the_knowledge.html
No me gustaria = It wouldn't please me\ I wouldn't be happy.
politicshomeuk .@MPritchardMP tells The House magazine David Cameron is "getting better" as Prime Minister. polho.me/13pDeQx
Nice to see the Scottish Nationalists involved in a reasonable debate for once.
The Scotsman blog meets Daily Telegraph
"it could all even be a big UKIP organized stunt to discredit Scots and the YES campaign"
who said it's just kippers who have flipped ?
Huns and Jaffas = prods
Taigs and Micks = catholics
Gus poyet as been suspended by brighton and told to stay away from the ground.
BBC Sport @BBCSport 8m
Brighton and Hove Albion suspend manager Gus Poyet and his assistant, pending an inquiry #bhafc
lifeinamarket etc,
You do realise that Thomas Aquinas died in 1275?
Sorry to break it to you, but the Inquisition also expired long ago, and Cardinal Fang no longer exists.
Now Alanis, that's ironic.
But yes, the CoE is admirably relaxed. Unfortunately, that seems not to be what the market wants. Either peopole want fierce belief or they don't want to bother at all.
Owen Jones @OwenJones84
Re: Farage protest - "There was no violence, no punches thrown, no missiles lobbed."
Until any evidence of thuggishness, I'll leave the sanctimonious posturing to your good selves.
Remember the Rhodes Boyson one on imperial measurements in school (among other things)?
"Who ever bought a kilo of anything? – except for me mate Dave, and he's doing a four year stretch"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7R7dDJmwPY
Lifeetc,
You're not David Icke are you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1Khj7ZHMSo
Silence of The Nats.
Went to watch The Dictator with my then girlfiriend, and the fact she found it funny was one of the first steps on the road to being single again
I'm in two minds about Indpendence now. Hope the majority vote 'Yes' so we can be rid of the whiners once and for all, or the 'No' wins and we get to enjoy the continued whinging of the losing Nats.
Tricky one.
Life,
The last time I spoke to my parish priest, he was pretty relaxed about women being priests and having married priests, but there will be a few who tend more to fundamentalism. With over a billion "papists" to choose from, you bound to find some odd views.
I expect Chris Patten is at this very moment plotting to overthrow the monarchy to bring back Cardinal Fang and the comfy chair.
The 'sects' are certainly odd but they tend to be "Proddy."
Anyway, Pax Vobiscum.