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CopperSulphate

Every time I leave a comment, there's a new topic minutes later.

MikeL

Lowest Lab lead with ComRes online since Feb 2012.

Very good poll for Con after the general recent widening of the Lab lead post Euros.

TheScreamingEagles

All those posters who said the polls were widending post Euros and using YouGov as their basis.....

Sunil_Prasannan

CopperSulphate said:

Every time I leave a comment, there's a new topic minutes later.

Where's your God now???

ToryJim

MikeL said:

Lowest Lab lead with ComRes online since Feb 2012.

Very good poll for Con after the general recent widening of the Lab lead post Euros.

Interesting.

CopperSulphate

Sunil_Prasannan said:

CopperSulphate said:

Every time I leave a comment, there's a new topic minutes later.

Where's your God now???

He's busy granting me special powers such as the ability to create a new thread on PB whenever I want.

ToryJim

FPT
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foxinsoxuk

FPT:

foxinsoxuk said:

I think that was predestination, rather than free will. People like to believe that they have free will, and justify their actions, but maybe it is all laid out in advance. Perhaps as the predestined future is unknown our illusion of free will exists only in the mind.

The ancient theological discussion on predestination vs free will does have interesting parallells with modern genetics. For example is homosexuality genetic (predestined) or a product of free choice; or indeed a complex mixture of genetics and nurture (another more complex form of predetermination)?

Charles said:

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

SouthamObserver said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

SouthamObserver said:

Smarmeron said:

@BobaFett

"Exactly right. An omnipotent all-good being that let's horrific things happen to the innocent."

It's one of the great misunderstandings among the "religious", God gave us the free will to make the world what we want.
In general we allow it to be made into a hell.
Atheists are no better, or worse.

Giving us free will was surely the ultimate act of evil.

Spoken like a true Labour authoritarian. The man on Primrose Hill knows best.

Why give people the power to inflict pain and suffering on earth and in doing so consign them to spend eternity in hell?

Because free will is what makes us human. Without it we would be no better than the angels. And a damn sight less cool than the Cherubim*


* who, incidentally, are most definitely not little boys with wings and chubby cheeks, despite various attempts to portray them as such...

Free will is one thing but you'd hope God might step in with his pretty formidable countermeasures now and again.

Perhaps he does. It was quite lucky that Churchill existed at the time of Hitler's Germany. Cometh the hour, cometh the man.

Sunil_Prasannan

Tory/UKIP 50%
Progressives 41%

COA 39%
LAB 34%

SquareRoot

We won't have seen the fallout from ED for being photo'd with a copy of the Sun. He is a fool.There is no other possible explanation.

GIN1138

A good poll for Team Blue And an even better polls for the Windsors.

JackW will be pleased.

ToryJim

GIN1138 said:

A good poll for Team Blue And an even better polls for the Windsors.

JackW will be pleased.

Surprised PW is higher than HMQ

Sunil_Prasannan

SquareRoot said:

We won't have seen the fallout from ED for being photo'd with a copy of the Sun. He is a fool.There is no other possible explanation.

The Blue surge is all down to DAVE being photographed with the Sun!

It's the Sun wot won it!

peter_from_putney

OKish for Lab and Con, further bad news for the Yellows. UKIP holding up well.

SandyRentool

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Tory/UKIP 50%
Progressives 41%

COA 39%
LAB 34%

Coalition 39%
Red-Green alliance 38%

We'll have you next time :-)

peter_from_putney

William is younger, albeit balding and has a glamorous wife .... that's today's "Hello!" society for you.

ToryJim

Why is it these South American national anthems all sound like they're from 19th C operas?

MarqueeMark

LibDems, you now have permission to panic....

MarqueeMark

And Osborne 5% more popular than Ed Miliband....

*chortle*

corporeal

ToryJim said:

Why is it these South American national anthems all sound like they're from 19th C operas?

They were probably mostly composed around then?

Pulpstar

peter_from_putney said:

OKish for Lab and Con, further bad news for the Yellows. UKIP holding up well.

I can not find any crumbs of comfort in any poll, raw or weighted numbers or even certainty to vote - the numbers are uniformly dire for the yellows.

ToryJim

corporeal said:

ToryJim said:

Why is it these South American national anthems all sound like they're from 19th C operas?

They were probably mostly composed around then?

Oh I guess, I just find they really are too fast.

SandyRentool

I was wondering why Uruguay have 4 stars on their badge when they've only only 2 world cups. Answer: they have also won gold at the Olympics twice in the pre-world cup era.

2 + 2 = 4!

SquareRoot

MarqueeMark said:

And Osborne 5% more popular than Ed Miliband....




*chortle*

That's because tim isn't here to be on George's case. He was pretty effective at doing him down. Now George is king off all he surveys... until it all goes tits up. !

Socrates

SandyRentool said:

I was wondering why Uruguay have 4 stars on their badge when they've only only 2 world cups. Answer: they have also won gold at the Olympics twice in the pre-world cup era.

2 + 2 = 4!

Haven't England ever won the Olympics in football?

EDIT: Looked it up. England never have, but Great Britain have three times.

peter_from_putney

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Tory/UKIP 50%
Progressives 41%

COA 39%
LAB 34%

Mr. Rentool's right ...... why don't you include the Greens' poll numbers in your total for the so-called "Progressives" (whatever that is supposed to mean) ?

Socrates

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Tory/UKIP 50%
Progressives 41%

COA 39%
LAB 34%

If the next government brings in PR, which is a possibility, the Tories will need to mend their fences with UKIP pretty quickly.

ToryJim

Hmm Nick Clegg's favourable rating of 13% is nearly double his party's share.

Easterross

ToryJim said:

Why is it these South American national anthems all sound like they're from 19th C operas?

Because that is when most of them became independent countries.

ToryJim

Easterross said:

ToryJim said:

Why is it these South American national anthems all sound like they're from 19th C operas?

Because that is when most of them became independent countries.

Yeah but they are all far too fast and flamboyant

peter_from_putney

Mike - can I suggest you run a poll of PBers as follows:

Which leader of the Liberal Democrats do you consider would result in the party securing the most seats at the next General Election:

Nick Clegg

Vince Cable

A N Other

Easterross

Well who'd have thunk it? ComRes threatening ICM as the new gold standard, well gold plated comedy bafta standard anyway. It does however bring into question the yoyo polling of YouGov, especially in the past 3 weeks.

Meanwhile build up to the Papal States/Kingdom of the Two Sicilies v South Britain match. Wonder if the Holy Father will be praying in Spanish, English or Italian tonight? Queen will be relaxing with her gin and dubonet, feet up and "One Loves Steven Gerrard CBE" shirt on while HRH of Edinburgh sulks into his kebab and curses that Maggie should just have blown up all South America 30 years ago.

CopperSulphate

SandyRentool said:

I was wondering why Uruguay have 4 stars on their badge when they've only only 2 world cups. Answer: they have also won gold at the Olympics twice in the pre-world cup era.

2 + 2 = 4!

Haven't they got any world tiddlywinks titles to add to the Olympic football wins?

Pulpstar

peter_from_putney said:

Mike - can I suggest you run a poll of PBers as follows:

Which leader of the Liberal Democrats do you consider would result in the party securing the most seats at the next General Election:

Nick Clegg

Vince Cable

A N Other

If they'd have left the coalition about 2 years ago with Farron...

perdix

Socrates said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Tory/UKIP 50%
Progressives 41%

COA 39%
LAB 34%

If the next government brings in PR, which is a possibility, the Tories will need to mend their fences with UKIP pretty quickly.

There can be no deal with kippers - too incoherent and shallow.

Pulpstar

What is the ETA on Suarez' knee ?

peter_from_putney

Pulpstar said:

peter_from_putney said:

Mike - can I suggest you run a poll of PBers as follows:

Which leader of the Liberal Democrats do you consider would result in the party securing the most seats at the next General Election:

Nick Clegg

Vince Cable

A N Other

If they'd have left the coalition about 2 years ago with Farron...

You're complicating things! - I'll let Mike decide whether Farron should be included alphabetically as a named option.

CopperSulphate

Can anyone see the possibility of a Tory/Labour coalition in the next few years?

What happens if neither can get a working majority or a coalition with the Lib Dems in the 2015 election, then they decide to go to the country again and get the same result?

In fact it might be the only way of them being able to continue to ignore the calls for PR since they'd have more than 50% of the votes between them.

ToryJim

CopperSulphate said:

Can anyone see the possibility of a Tory/Labour coalition in the next few years?

What happens if neither can get a working majority or a coalition with the Lib Dems in the 2015 election, then they decide to go to the country again and get the same result?

In fact it might be the only way of them being able to continue to ignore the calls for PR since they'd have more than 50% of the votes between them.

No chance whatsoever.

peter_from_putney

perdix said:

Socrates said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Tory/UKIP 50%
Progressives 41%

COA 39%
LAB 34%

If the next government brings in PR, which is a possibility, the Tories will need to mend their fences with UKIP pretty quickly.

There can be no deal with kippers - too incoherent and shallow.

No deal with the LibDems either - they ratted on Commission-approved Boundary changes. Also doubtful whether their greatly reduced number of seats will be critical either way.

BobaFett

Another poll showing the Labour share rising.

TheScreamingEagles

CopperSulphate said:

Can anyone see the possibility of a Tory/Labour coalition in the next few years?

What happens if neither can get a working majority or a coalition with the Lib Dems in the 2015 election, then they decide to go to the country again and get the same result?

In fact it might be the only way of them being able to continue to ignore the calls for PR since they'd have more than 50% of the votes between them.

Only in an emergency.

A major currency/financial crisis (not of either party's making, say the Euro goes mammary glands up) or a major war.

Easterross

ToryJim said:

Easterross said:

ToryJim said:

Why is it these South American national anthems all sound like they're from 19th C operas?

Because that is when most of them became independent countries.

Yeah but they are all far too fast and flamboyant

Have you noticed how they are still singing about 5 minutes after the music stops? Either they are trying to catch up with the music or singing a very rude 2nd verse. Always reminds me of the Billy Connelly sketch where he suggested we have the Archers theme tune instead of GSTQ.

MarqueeMark

SquareRoot said:

MarqueeMark said:

And Osborne 5% more popular than Ed Miliband....




*chortle*

That's because tim isn't here to be on George's case. He was pretty effective at doing him down. Now George is king off all he surveys... until it all goes tits up. !

tim was very much like Labour - he had certain strengths, but economics ain't one!

TheScreamingEagles

According to many media sources, Raheem Sterling is starting tonight, just backed him as FGS at 14/1 with Paddy Power.

ToryJim

TheScreamingEagles said:

CopperSulphate said:

Can anyone see the possibility of a Tory/Labour coalition in the next few years?

What happens if neither can get a working majority or a coalition with the Lib Dems in the 2015 election, then they decide to go to the country again and get the same result?

In fact it might be the only way of them being able to continue to ignore the calls for PR since they'd have more than 50% of the votes between them.

Only in an emergency.

A major currency/financial crisis (not of either party's making, say the Euro goes mammary glands up) or a major war.

I think the only scenario is a major world war. Labour would never do it not even Ed is useless enough to want to emulate Ramsey MacDonald

BobaFett

Socrates said:

SandyRentool said:

I was wondering why Uruguay have 4 stars on their badge when they've only only 2 world cups. Answer: they have also won gold at the Olympics twice in the pre-world cup era.

2 + 2 = 4!

Haven't England ever won the Olympics in football?

EDIT: Looked it up. England never have, but Great Britain have three times.

The Olympics is a Mickey Mouse tournament at football. It's just embarrassing that Uruguay count that as two stars.

Pulpstar

TheScreamingEagles said:

According to many media sources, Raheem Sterling is starting tonight, just backed him as FGS at 14/1 with Paddy Power.

Is the bet void if he does not play ?

ToryJim

Easterross said:

ToryJim said:

Easterross said:

ToryJim said:

Why is it these South American national anthems all sound like they're from 19th C operas?

Because that is when most of them became independent countries.

Yeah but they are all far too fast and flamboyant

Have you noticed how they are still singing about 5 minutes after the music stops? Either they are trying to catch up with the music or singing a very rude 2nd verse. Always reminds me of the Billy Connelly sketch where he suggested we have the Archers theme tune instead of GSTQ.

Don't forget we have a verse of the national anthem that's very rude to those north of Berwick.

AndyJS

It's looking more and more unlikely that UKIP will be down to 5% by the time of the general election, which is in just 46 weeks' time.

Easterross

ToryJim said:

Easterross said:

ToryJim said:

Easterross said:

ToryJim said:

Why is it these South American national anthems all sound like they're from 19th C operas?

Because that is when most of them became independent countries.

Yeah but they are all far too fast and flamboyant

Have you noticed how they are still singing about 5 minutes after the music stops? Either they are trying to catch up with the music or singing a very rude 2nd verse. Always reminds me of the Billy Connelly sketch where he suggested we have the Archers theme tune instead of GSTQ.

Don't forget we have a verse of the national anthem that's very rude to those north of Berwick.

only the rebellious ones!! My family was on the winning side. Indeed the head of the family at the time was at the side of the Duke of Cumberland at Culloden.

ToryJim

@StigAbell: Pity production journalists tonight, who'll be doing a hell of a job. Papers have to be printed on the final whistle. No late dramas please.

dodrade

CopperSulphate said:

Can anyone see the possibility of a Tory/Labour coalition in the next few years?

What happens if neither can get a working majority or a coalition with the Lib Dems in the 2015 election, then they decide to go to the country again and get the same result?

In fact it might be the only way of them being able to continue to ignore the calls for PR since they'd have more than 50% of the votes between them.

Interesting that in Canada under FTTP where there is (or was) a four party system hung parliaments have been far more common than in the UK yet there is no history of coalitions, only minority governments, with three in a row until Harper finally got a majority with the collapse of the Liberals and BQ.

Tykejohnno

TheScreamingEagles said:

According to many media sources, Raheem Sterling is starting tonight, just backed him as FGS at 14/1 with Paddy Power.

BBC Sport's Dan Roan in Manaus

England v Italy (23:00 BST)

Posted at


"The England team tonight:

"Hart: Johnson, Jagielka, Cahill, Baines; Gerrard, Henderson; Welbeck, Sterling, Rooney; Sturridge."

Pulpstar

Paddy has a money back special on the bet cash back as a free bet should Italy win too.

nigel4england

Tykejohnno said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

According to many media sources, Raheem Sterling is starting tonight, just backed him as FGS at 14/1 with Paddy Power.

BBC Sport's Dan Roan in Manaus

England v Italy (23:00 BST)

Posted at


"The England team tonight:

"Hart: Johnson, Jagielka, Cahill, Baines; Gerrard, Henderson; Welbeck, Sterling, Rooney; Sturridge."

I'm on 1-1 with money back if it is goalless. Also got Cahill anytime scorer at 18/1, he is good at getting on the end of set pieces and with Baines excellent delivery will probably get at least one sight of goal.

TheScreamingEagles

Pulpstar said:

Paddy has a money back special on the bet cash back as a free bet should Italy win too.

I also have Gerrard as FGS at 12/1, Sturridge 7/1 and Cahilll 40/1

SandyRentool

BobaFett said:

Socrates said:

SandyRentool said:

I was wondering why Uruguay have 4 stars on their badge when they've only only 2 world cups. Answer: they have also won gold at the Olympics twice in the pre-world cup era.

2 + 2 = 4!

Haven't England ever won the Olympics in football?

EDIT: Looked it up. England never have, but Great Britain have three times.

The Olympics is a Mickey Mouse tournament at football. It's just embarrassing that Uruguay count that as two stars.

Their Olympic wins were pre-world cup era. Back then, the Olympic gold medalists were considered to be world champs.

More legit than Man City having 3 stars on their badge, anyway!

AndyJS

This poll with UKPR calculator:

Lab 332
Con 272
LD 18
Others 28

ToryJim

Easterross said:

ToryJim said:

Easterross said:

ToryJim said:

Easterross said:

ToryJim said:

Why is it these South American national anthems all sound like they're from 19th C operas?

Because that is when most of them became independent countries.

Yeah but they are all far too fast and flamboyant

Have you noticed how they are still singing about 5 minutes after the music stops? Either they are trying to catch up with the music or singing a very rude 2nd verse. Always reminds me of the Billy Connelly sketch where he suggested we have the Archers theme tune instead of GSTQ.

Don't forget we have a verse of the national anthem that's very rude to those north of Berwick.

only the rebellious ones!! My family was on the winning side. Indeed the head of the family at the time was at the side of the Duke of Cumberland at Culloden.

My family's entanglement with the Royals was alas much earlier including loaning Richard II 20,000 marks of silver.

BobaFett

Tykejohnno said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

According to many media sources, Raheem Sterling is starting tonight, just backed him as FGS at 14/1 with Paddy Power.

BBC Sport's Dan Roan in Manaus

England v Italy (23:00 BST)

Posted at


"The England team tonight:

"Hart: Johnson, Jagielka, Cahill, Baines; Gerrard, Henderson; Welbeck, Sterling, Rooney; Sturridge."

Amazed he's not gone with Lallana but what an impact bench we have. Excited!

peter_from_putney

TheScreamingEagles said:

According to many media sources, Raheem Sterling is starting tonight, just backed him as FGS at 14/1 with Paddy Power.

Excellent bet, especially as if this should prove to be a losing bet, PP will refund should Italy win. In normal circumstances probably a 10/1 shot, with this refund element, probably a 7/1 shot or thereabouts.
BTW, are you backing the outsider in tonight's two games? .... * Chortles *

Good winner for you yesterday.

MarqueeMark

BobaFett said:

Another poll showing the Labour share rising.

I'll take as many of them as you like where the Tory:Labour gain ratio is 3:1....

TheScreamingEagles

nigel4england said:

Tykejohnno said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

According to many media sources, Raheem Sterling is starting tonight, just backed him as FGS at 14/1 with Paddy Power.

BBC Sport's Dan Roan in Manaus

England v Italy (23:00 BST)

Posted at


"The England team tonight:

"Hart: Johnson, Jagielka, Cahill, Baines; Gerrard, Henderson; Welbeck, Sterling, Rooney; Sturridge."

I'm on 1-1 with money back if it is goalless. Also got Cahill anytime scorer at 18/1, he is good at getting on the end of set pieces and with Baines excellent delivery will probably get at least one sight of goal.

Who is the 18/1 with?

nigel4england

SandyRentool said:

I was wondering why Uruguay have 4 stars on their badge when they've only only 2 world cups. Answer: they have also won gold at the Olympics twice in the pre-world cup era.

2 + 2 = 4!

I'm not watching the Uruguay, my missus likes the National Lottery quiz so she is watching that. It's a little bit disconcerting as some poor bloke is now in Dale's red area.

MikeSmithson

@CopperSulphate

One of the massive constitutional changes of this parliament has been the fixed term parliament act. This makes it nigh on impossible for a party that doesn't get a majority to rule as a minority for a few months before going to the country again.

frpenkridge

Italy's national anthem became official in 2012.

Tykejohnno

nigel4england said:

Tykejohnno said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

According to many media sources, Raheem Sterling is starting tonight, just backed him as FGS at 14/1 with Paddy Power.

BBC Sport's Dan Roan in Manaus

England v Italy (23:00 BST)

Posted at


"The England team tonight:

"Hart: Johnson, Jagielka, Cahill, Baines; Gerrard, Henderson; Welbeck, Sterling, Rooney; Sturridge."

I'm on 1-1 with money back if it is goalless. Also got Cahill anytime scorer at 18/1, he is good at getting on the end of set pieces and with Baines excellent delivery will probably get at least one sight of goal.

Seems a good call to me,you kept calling it right on Demichelis and his booking ;-)

ToryJim

nigel4england said:

SandyRentool said:

I was wondering why Uruguay have 4 stars on their badge when they've only only 2 world cups. Answer: they have also won gold at the Olympics twice in the pre-world cup era.

2 + 2 = 4!

I'm not watching the Uruguay, my missus likes the National Lottery quiz so she is watching that. It's a little bit disconcerting as some poor bloke is now in Dale's red area.

Ooh matron

MikeSmithson

AndyJS said:

It's looking more and more unlikely that UKIP will be down to 5% by the time of the general election, which is in just 46 weeks' time.

I agree. I'm expecting about 10% with smaller shares in the key battlegrounds & higher ones where it doesn't matter. Tonight's poll, however, is from the firm that most overstated UKIP on May 22nd and understated CON.

TheScreamingEagles

peter_from_putney said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

According to many media sources, Raheem Sterling is starting tonight, just backed him as FGS at 14/1 with Paddy Power.

Excellent bet, especially as if this should prove to be a losing bet, PP will refund should Italy win. In normal circumstances probably a 10/1 shot, with this refund element, probably a 7/1 shot or thereabouts.
BTW, are you backing the outsider in tonight's two games? .... * Chortles *

Good winner for you yesterday.

I've backed Italy prior to today, am waiting for the inevitable pre-match price boost, to back England.

Given how enjoyable the matches have been so far, I'm fairly certain now England v Italy will deliver the tournament's first (turgid) nil nil, available at 13/2 with William Hill.

Has been a profitable world cup so far.

Back the outsider is my golden rule.

Carnyx

FPT:

fitalass said:

Stuart Winton on Think Scotland Blog - Cybernats bite YeSNP on the bum

I agree, it's terrible to see all this nonsense concocted by the unionists who don't like anyone disagreeing with them. Here's a related perspective (from a Unionist newspaper, no less).

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/14/better-together-mistakes-scottish-independence

"The absence of anything resembling a proper campaign by Better Together has forced it into the realms of fantasy and this is one of them. In its desperation, it now portrays any criticism of the unionist cause as "vile cybernat abuse".

This was embarrassingly apparent in the lamentable television appearance last week by John McTernan, a former Labour special adviser in its bottomless department of special advice. McTernan was talking about some of the abuse JK Rowling had received for donating £1m to the Better Together campaign. As he began visibly lose to all sense of reality, McTernan, who genuinely seemed to be in some distress, began blaming Gunn for the billionaire author's online ordure.

[...]

Behind all the online frivolity and gloriously manufactured sense of outrage, there is a serious warning for Better Together, and one that it needs to heed quickly if blue is to remain in the union jack. The unionists need to be aware of the consequences of constantly seeking to portray the Scottish nationalists as goggle-eyed brigands with personality disorders, as is the case with their ill-judged "Project Fear" campaign. [...] Better Together needs to think much more carefully about its tactics from now on until the death, because this campaign is slipping away from it."

BobaFett

SandyRentool said:

BobaFett said:

Socrates said:

SandyRentool said:

I was wondering why Uruguay have 4 stars on their badge when they've only only 2 world cups. Answer: they have also won gold at the Olympics twice in the pre-world cup era.

2 + 2 = 4!

Haven't England ever won the Olympics in football?

EDIT: Looked it up. England never have, but Great Britain have three times.

The Olympics is a Mickey Mouse tournament at football. It's just embarrassing that Uruguay count that as two stars.

Their Olympic wins were pre-world cup era. Back then, the Olympic gold medalists were considered to be world champs.

More legit than Man City having 3 stars on their badge, anyway!

FIFA should regulate the stars. City have no EC wins ergo should have no stars.

Think about Forest - a club that have more legitimate shirt stars than Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Everton and Newcastle combined.

Carnyx

ToryJim said:

Easterross said:

ToryJim said:

Easterross said:

ToryJim said:

Easterross said:

ToryJim said:

Why is it these South American national anthems all sound like they're from 19th C operas?

Because that is when most of them became independent countries.

Yeah but they are all far too fast and flamboyant

Have you noticed how they are still singing about 5 minutes after the music stops? Either they are trying to catch up with the music or singing a very rude 2nd verse. Always reminds me of the Billy Connelly sketch where he suggested we have the Archers theme tune instead of GSTQ.

Don't forget we have a verse of the national anthem that's very rude to those north of Berwick.

only the rebellious ones!! My family was on the winning side. Indeed the head of the family at the time was at the side of the Duke of Cumberland at Culloden.

My family's entanglement with the Royals was alas much earlier including loaning Richard II 20,000 marks of silver.

Irresistible, I have to ask, did they get it back with interest??

Pulpstar

I backed the draw in this one about 2 minutes before the penalty. Costa Rica certainly still in it I reckon.

MikeSmithson

peter_from_putney said:

Mike - can I suggest you run a poll of PBers as follows:

Which leader of the Liberal Democrats do you consider would result in the party securing the most seats at the next General Election:

Nick Clegg

Vince Cable

A N Other

Cable is dead in the water so ignore. If Clegg goes before GE15 it will be between Farron/Lamb/Alexander/Davey.

TheScreamingEagles

MikeSmithson said:

@CopperSulphate

One of the massive constitutional changes of this parliament has been the fixed term parliament act. This makes it nigh on impossible for a party that doesn't get a majority to rule as a minority for a few months before going to the country again.

The Fixed Term Parliament act also had a massive effect on the betting markets.

We'd all be speculating now, would Dave and Nick call an election sometime this year?

stodge

Evening all

Clearly, a poll to settle Conservative nerves after one or two modest YouGov outings this week. In effect, we're almost back to the pre-Euros situation with Labour easing back toward the Conservatives in the low to mid-30s.

The UKIP number continues to vary wildly from poll to poll but seems to be around the mid-teens with the Liberal Democrats having eased back to 7-9%.

An Amazonian amount of water to flow under the proverbial bridge yet...

BobaFett

Tykejohnno said:

nigel4england said:

Tykejohnno said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

According to many media sources, Raheem Sterling is starting tonight, just backed him as FGS at 14/1 with Paddy Power.

BBC Sport's Dan Roan in Manaus

England v Italy (23:00 BST)

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"The England team tonight:

"Hart: Johnson, Jagielka, Cahill, Baines; Gerrard, Henderson; Welbeck, Sterling, Rooney; Sturridge."

I'm on 1-1 with money back if it is goalless. Also got Cahill anytime scorer at 18/1, he is good at getting on the end of set pieces and with Baines excellent delivery will probably get at least one sight of goal.

Seems a good call to me,you kept calling it right on Demichelis and his booking ;-)

That's a tempting bet gents. Nigel has a good track record on footie tips and remember fondly backing Terry as FGS at long odds and cashing in. Centre backs can often make nice bets.

ToryJim

Carnyx said:

ToryJim said:

Easterross said:

ToryJim said:

Easterross said:

ToryJim said:

Easterross said:

ToryJim said:

Why is it these South American national anthems all sound like they're from 19th C operas?

Because that is when most of them became independent countries.

Yeah but they are all far too fast and flamboyant

Have you noticed how they are still singing about 5 minutes after the music stops? Either they are trying to catch up with the music or singing a very rude 2nd verse. Always reminds me of the Billy Connelly sketch where he suggested we have the Archers theme tune instead of GSTQ.

Don't forget we have a verse of the national anthem that's very rude to those north of Berwick.

only the rebellious ones!! My family was on the winning side. Indeed the head of the family at the time was at the side of the Duke of Cumberland at Culloden.

My family's entanglement with the Royals was alas much earlier including loaning Richard II 20,000 marks of silver.

Irresistible, I have to ask, did they get it back with interest??

No the thieving scumbag kept it.

TheScreamingEagles

See, this is the sort of pun I'd come up with

Stig Abell ‏@StigAbell 1m

Asked Sun on Sunday Deputy Ed if all is ready. "It's Saturday Night FIFA", comes the reply. These people can't help themselves.

audreyanne

It sometimes takes a while for political 'incidents' to unravel fully, or to put another way, for the wood to be seen for the trees. With a couple of days behind us this Miliband spat with The Sun is starting to look disastrous for him. However right he was to backtrack, he has made a terrible, terrible, mistake. Many on here may dislike The Sun, but that is very different from invoking their ire.

This is a terrible misjudgement which may cause permanent damage.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/14/sun-ed-miliband-_n_5494504.html

ToryJim

TheScreamingEagles said:

MikeSmithson said:

@CopperSulphate

One of the massive constitutional changes of this parliament has been the fixed term parliament act. This makes it nigh on impossible for a party that doesn't get a majority to rule as a minority for a few months before going to the country again.

The Fixed Term Parliament act also had a massive effect on the betting markets.

We'd all be speculating now, would Dave and Nick call an election sometime this year?

It also has an impact on economics because previously governments timed the election to fit the economic cycle, now the Chancellor will be trying to time the economy to the political cycle.

GIN1138

MikeSmithson said:

Tonight's poll, however, is from the firm that most overstated UKIP on May 22nd and understated CON.

This poll set's up Monday's ICM quite nicely...

BobaFett

audreyanne said:

It sometimes takes a while for political 'incidents' to unravel fully, or to put another way, for the wood to be seen for the trees. With a couple of days behind us this Miliband spat with The Sun is starting to look disastrous for him. However right he was to backtrack, he has made a terrible, terrible, mistake. Many on here may dislike The Sun, but that is very different from invoking their ire.

This is a terrible misjudgement which may cause permanent damage.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/14/sun-ed-miliband-_n_5494504.html

Wishful thinking yet again from you.

Football is on the telly.

No one cares.

MarkHopkins

I've just watched the film Gravity.

That's 90 minutes of my life I won't be getting back.

BobaFett

stodge said:

Evening all

Clearly, a poll to settle Conservative nerves after one or two modest YouGov outings this week. In effect, we're almost back to the pre-Euros situation with Labour easing back toward the Conservatives in the low to mid-30s.

The UKIP number continues to vary wildly from poll to poll but seems to be around the mid-teens with the Liberal Democrats having eased back to 7-9%.

An Amazonian amount of water to flow under the proverbial bridge yet...

The Labour share is up.

BobaFett

MikeSmithson said:

peter_from_putney said:

Mike - can I suggest you run a poll of PBers as follows:

Which leader of the Liberal Democrats do you consider would result in the party securing the most seats at the next General Election:

Nick Clegg

Vince Cable

A N Other

Cable is dead in the water so ignore. If Clegg goes before GE15 it will be between Farron/Lamb/Alexander/Davey.

Alexander would be a nightmare choice - possibly even worse than Clegg due to his proximity to the Tories. Davey might make a decent caretaker Mike.

MikeSmithson

Which group is Scotland in?

BobaFett

@Nigel

Where is the 18-1 on Cahill FGS?

Meanwhile, Uruguay look mediocre to me. Nothing for England to be scared of.

stodge

BobaFett said:

The Labour share is up.

Oh, please, if you need to quibble over a 1% rise (well within MoE), there's not much help for you.

Still from the person who claimed "Liberals don't like football", we're not going to get anything approaching coherent or sensible analysis, are we ?

Pulpstar

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-27850220

The definition of rape must not be as I remembered it ^^;

MarkHopkins

MikeSmithson said:

Which group is Scotland in?

The arc of prosperity.

BobaFett

stodge said:

BobaFett said:

The Labour share is up.

Oh, please, if you need to quibble over a 1% rise (well within MoE), there's not much help for you.

Still from the person who claimed "Liberals don't like football", we're not going to get anything approaching coherent or sensible analysis, are we ?

As I said last night I was only teasing. That all said the Liberal score among football fans is 4% - even lower than the national picture.

Football fans (YouGov)

Lab 45
Con 31
Kip 12
Lib 4

stodge

As for the football, I've had a small interest on England to win 1-0 at 6/1. I don't see it as the most unlikely thing that could happen and last night's result suggests the European sides may not be as predictable as some imagine.

BobaFett

MikeSmithson said:

Which group is Scotland in?

I bumped into a couple of Celtic fans in the pub earlier.

I said I wanted Scotland back in tournaments. They travel in huge numbers and create atmosphere in the host cities.

It would also have the added benefit of stopping Easterross moaning every time England play.

fitalass

The best fans in the world group, nobody can touch the Tartan Army when it comes to making friends across the world.

MikeSmithson said:

Which group is Scotland in?

ToryJim

Pulpstar said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-27850220

The definition of rape must not be as I remembered it ^^;

Women can be charged with rape as an accomplice, but not as primary agent for obvious reasons, as far as I'm aware.

nigel4england

BobaFett said:

@Nigel

Where is the 18-1 on Cahill FGS?

Meanwhile, Uruguay look mediocre to me. Nothing for England to be scared of.

Bet365, the bet is anytime scorer not FGS

TheScreamingEagles

Taxpayers' cash should not be used to fund faith schools, say voters

Labour wants talks on teaching of religion as poll shows 58% of the public urge abolition or axing of state funds

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/jun/14/taxpayers-should-not-fund-faith-schools