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  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    AndyJS said:

    Apparently the Iraqi army is relying on Shia militias, who are in turn relying on Iran.

    It's a mess

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @ToryJim

    "It's a mess"

    The real mess is if things kick off in Libya at the same time.
  • rcs1000 said:

    For those following the awesome predictive power of foxinsox jr with his form and subbutteo based simulation, may I remind you that he has Spain Netherlands as a 1:1 draw. Chile will beat Australia 2:0.

    Both his 3:1 Brazil and 1:0 Mexico predictions were documented 24 hours in advance on PB.

    you heard it here first...

    What's his view on 2015 LibDem seats?
    FWIW, Stephen Fisher is currently projecting a range of 22 - 34 seats for the LibDems.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Smarmeron said:

    @ToryJim

    "It's a mess"

    The real mess is if things kick off in Libya at the same time.

    Absolutely.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Come to think on it, I just counted the potential flashpoints around the world.
    I am in need of a smallish whisky for my nerves.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    That Van Persie goal was incredible
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    1:1 was juniors prediction ;-), so no more goals.

    I am on the 21-30 seats with ladbrokes.


    rcs1000 said:

    For those following the awesome predictive power of foxinsox jr with his form and subbutteo based simulation, may I remind you that he has Spain Netherlands as a 1:1 draw. Chile will beat Australia 2:0.

    Both his 3:1 Brazil and 1:0 Mexico predictions were documented 24 hours in advance on PB.

    you heard it here first...

    What's his view on 2015 LibDem seats?
    FWIW, Stephen Fisher is currently projecting a range of 22 - 34 seats for the LibDems.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2014
    Smarmeron said:

    Come to think on it, I just counted the potential flashpoints around the world.
    I am in need of a smallish whisky for my nerves.

    Maybe we'll all be called up for national service before long at this rate.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Posted without comment

    "Scottish independence campaigner claims MI5 is leading dirty tricks campaign "


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-campaigner-claims-mi5-is-leading-dirty-tricks-campaign-9535799.html
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited June 2014
    AndyJS said:

    Apparently the Iraqi army is relying on Shia militias, who are in turn relying on Iran.

    And ISIS is the most sophisticated and organised non recognised state in history.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/06/the-isis-guide-to-building-an-islamic-state/372769/
    "The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria Has a Consumer Protection Office"
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Smarmeron said:

    Posted without comment

    "Scottish independence campaigner claims MI5 is leading dirty tricks campaign "


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-campaigner-claims-mi5-is-leading-dirty-tricks-campaign-9535799.html

    Oh please, fetch him a tin foil Tam o'Shanter.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,903
    Smarmeron said:

    Come to think on it, I just counted the potential flashpoints around the world.
    I am in need of a smallish whisky for my nerves.

    To remind you of the Scottish flashpoint?

    I agree though it is a huge mess. Without wishing to offend anyone it strikes me that the Islamic peoples are going through a similar period to the Christians of 16th century Europe. These nations and peoples are becoming world players. I hope they do a lot better at dealing with these growing pains than Europe did.

    I'm sort of hopeful (no doubt wishful thinking) that Iran might become a little more open to the west (and Israel), and vice-versa. A wise and respected Iranian state could really help stabilise the region.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Pulpstar said:

    "The worry for Labour is that a victory in this manner will be portrayed as unfair and lead to claims that it lacks legitimacy."

    I'll be too busy popping the champers.

    Bit like the Beeb then
  • Charles said:

    Sorry if this has been mentioned below - haven't read the thread.

    But it's very easy to legislate to deal with this issue. Just base constituency sizes on average votes cast at, say, the last 3 general elections.

    Immediately incentivises parties to encourage turnout in their safe seats.

    Base the individual MP's salary on the number of votes cast as well to encourage them
  • For those following the awesome predictive power of foxinsox jr with his form and subbutteo based simulation, may I remind you that he has Spain Netherlands as a 1:1 draw. Chile will beat Australia 2:0.

    Both his 3:1 Brazil and 1:0 Mexico predictions were documented 24 hours in advance on PB.

    you heard it here first...

    What is foxinsox jr forecasting for tomorrow's England vs Italy encounter?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    AndyJS said:

    Apparently the Iraqi army is relying on Shia militias, who are in turn relying on Iran.

    What a great idea it was of Gen Garner and Paul Bremer to disband the Iraqi army in 2003.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    edited June 2014
    @david_herdson

    Take your Kalashnikovs and beat them into ploughshares?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758


    We should keep on reminding Kippers of that Hannan article, for only this part

    ....Plus, obviously, he [Cameron] represents our one chance of a referendum on leaving the EU.

    Well, quite. Hannan is that rare thing: a rational BOOer.
    And I wonder at what point Hannan will realise that Cameron will keep us in the EU no matter what. His position within the Tory party will become untenable before we reach referendum day.
    Richard, you don't know the way that Cameron thinks.

    The one thing that he will not sacrifice is the Tory Party: he doesn't want to go down in history as the man who split it.

    If he can't carry 2/3 of his party with him (i.e. supporting staying in on renegotiated terms) he will support 'out'.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    That is also a 1:1 draw. The lad knows his football.

    For those following the awesome predictive power of foxinsox jr with his form and subbutteo based simulation, may I remind you that he has Spain Netherlands as a 1:1 draw. Chile will beat Australia 2:0.

    Both his 3:1 Brazil and 1:0 Mexico predictions were documented 24 hours in advance on PB.

    you heard it here first...

    What is foxinsox jr forecasting for tomorrow's England vs Italy encounter?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,903
    Why on earth is Ed apologising for being photographed with a copy of the Sun? I suspect almost everyone in the country has purchased a copy at one time or another. (Even I have - once I think).

    If Ed does become PM he'll need to be a little less sensitive to this sort of thing. Perhaps it makes him more human and likeable to be pussy-footing about, but it also substantially damages the confidence that one might choose to place in him.

    I'm sure it's an aberration, but it really has struck me as one of the oddest things he's done. (And as he is a bit odd, mostly in good ways, then that's quite an achievement)

  • MaxUMaxU Posts: 87
    Charles said:


    We should keep on reminding Kippers of that Hannan article, for only this part

    ....Plus, obviously, he [Cameron] represents our one chance of a referendum on leaving the EU.

    Well, quite. Hannan is that rare thing: a rational BOOer.
    And I wonder at what point Hannan will realise that Cameron will keep us in the EU no matter what. His position within the Tory party will become untenable before we reach referendum day.
    Richard, you don't know the way that Cameron thinks.

    The one thing that he will not sacrifice is the Tory Party: he doesn't want to go down in history as the man who split it.

    If he can't carry 2/3 of his party with him (i.e. supporting staying in on renegotiated terms) he will support 'out'.
    That is an interesting thought Charles. Until now I had been with Richard on this (i.e. Cameron will never accept leaving the EU) but you are right he has consistently prioritized party unity over his preferred EU policy in the past (i.e. when he was forced to concede the referendum) and he might well do so again.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    Smarmeron said:

    @david_herdson

    Take your Kalashnikovs and beat them into ploughshares?

    It's those same Kalashnikovs now being appealed to in the form of their owners' militias - except of course now they're wholly outside the control of the state.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I think the Sun did pictures with all the leaders and Bojo to promote their coverage. It would have appeared unpatriotic to refuse so Ed M was stuck with a tricky one.

    He didn't look convincing holding it though. He rarely photographs well.
    Omnium said:

    Why on earth is Ed apologising for being photographed with a copy of the Sun? I suspect almost everyone in the country has purchased a copy at one time or another. (Even I have - once I think).

    If Ed does become PM he'll need to be a little less sensitive to this sort of thing. Perhaps it makes him more human and likeable to be pussy-footing about, but it also substantially damages the confidence that one might choose to place in him.

    I'm sure it's an aberration, but it really has struck me as one of the oddest things he's done. (And as he is a bit odd, mostly in good ways, then that's quite an achievement)

  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited June 2014
    ISIS claiming its first aerial attack on an Iraqi army camp in Samarra
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Well this is going wrong.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Jr's predictive skills are now officially less good than a mollusc.

    Good finishing by the Dutch, and better goalkeeping too.
  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    Nice goal by the ever reliant Robben.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,903

    AndyJS said:

    Apparently the Iraqi army is relying on Shia militias, who are in turn relying on Iran.

    What a great idea it was of Gen Garner and Paul Bremer to disband the Iraqi army in 2003.
    I wonder what the difference is with postwar Germany? The army was disbanded there. Huge forces of occupation, and total foreign rule. Why did the Germans (and Japanese) knuckle down, and then thrive on that basis and yet the Iraqi's have found things much harder?

    Are there areas of Iraq that have followed what happened in Germany? Is the issue that Iraq isn't a united nation?

    Anyway I think you're being a touch hard on the merits of that decision.


  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    My £5 bet on Netherlands is looking good.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I think the dutch are going to win this.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    RodCrosby said:

    ISIS claiming its first aerial attack on an Iraqi army camp in Samarra

    Those ever helpfull american weapons.

  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Spain are getting done here
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    edited June 2014
    AveryLP said:

    Grandiose said:

    For those concerned, I finished my exams today.

    (Was covered in hot chocolate powder, milk, eggs, cherryade, salad cream and maple syrup, and chucked in a river.)

    Socrates said:

    Carnyx said:

    So Con would win in England and Lab would be relaint on foreign votes to pass legislation. Isn't that the nationalist ase for Scotland. The case for an English parliament and a ban on Scottish MP's voting on English only matters strenghtens by the day. If Con have any sense they would get it into place before GE 2015.

    Scotland foreign? That's a very early Indy day you are advocating - but then it wouldn't be sending MPs to Westminster.

    Seriously, though, I see what you really mean - but it will be difficult to define England-only issues in ways that won't get derailed sooner or later, and whch don't discriminate against MPs for non-English constituencies. Those are interesting

    http://www.democraticaudit.com/?p=1784

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/alex-massie/2013/08/than-answer-to-the-west-lothian-question-is-to-stop-asking-it/

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/a-neat-solution-to-the-west-lothian-question-but-what-might-go-wrong-8698507.html

    Not to mention the small matter of the Lords ...
    Your links are just Scots and lefties wanting to maintain influence in an obviously unfair system. If English MPs don't get to vote on Scottish matters, Scots MPs shouldn't get to vote on English matters. "Two classes of MP" already exist - it happened with devolution.
    Alex Massie a leftie?! And you might care to reflect that the Scots had to suffer the West Hampstead Question for centuries (e.g. consider the ecclesiastical patronage legislation [edit: pressed wron button] of the 1830s and 1840s). But it's a fair point about two classes of MP.

  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,682
    Omnium said:

    AndyJS said:

    Apparently the Iraqi army is relying on Shia militias, who are in turn relying on Iran.

    What a great idea it was of Gen Garner and Paul Bremer to disband the Iraqi army in 2003.
    I wonder what the difference is with postwar Germany? The army was disbanded there. Huge forces of occupation, and total foreign rule. Why did the Germans (and Japanese) knuckle down, and then thrive on that basis and yet the Iraqi's have found things much harder?

    Are there areas of Iraq that have followed what happened in Germany? Is the issue that Iraq isn't a united nation?

    Anyway I think you're being a touch hard on the merits of that decision.



    Perhaps they should have taken a leaf out of Mountbatten's book. At the end of WW2 after the Japanese surrendered, they were still the only effective police force across large areas of south-east Asia. Mountbatten recognised this and made use of the Japanese army as (usually unarmed) police. In a number of cases in Vietnam he actually rearmed Japanese troops and used them to help regain control of towns which had rebelled against the returning French rule.
  • Oliver_PBOliver_PB Posts: 397
    edited June 2014
    I noticed that Holland were 9/2 to win at the start of the match. I don't bet on football but those odds seemed crazy to me.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Invest your winnings wisely:)
    AndyJS said:

    My £5 bet on Netherlands is looking good.

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Game over for Spain.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,903

    I think the Sun did pictures with all the leaders and Bojo to promote their coverage. It would have appeared unpatriotic to refuse so Ed M was stuck with a tricky one.

    He didn't look convincing holding it though. He rarely photographs well.

    Omnium said:

    Why on earth is Ed apologising for being photographed with a copy of the Sun? I suspect almost everyone in the country has purchased a copy at one time or another. (Even I have - once I think).

    If Ed does become PM he'll need to be a little less sensitive to this sort of thing. Perhaps it makes him more human and likeable to be pussy-footing about, but it also substantially damages the confidence that one might choose to place in him.

    I'm sure it's an aberration, but it really has struck me as one of the oddest things he's done. (And as he is a bit odd, mostly in good ways, then that's quite an achievement)


    Yep. So he either should have refused, or not apologised - he now looks unpatriotic and daft!

    The rest of the leaders should have refused anyway. They all do seem to have a significant number of pages in their left hands - it's the meaty mid-section economic commentary for them.. or are they just making sure no-one thinks it's page 3. (Both Boris and Farage seem to have turned down the top corner to make it clear that it's not)

  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Espana 1982 once again.

    All real football fans will be pleased.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Well I think this is over for Spain.
  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    Man U fans looking forward to Dutch chosen one.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    MaxU said:

    Charles said:


    We should keep on reminding Kippers of that Hannan article, for only this part

    ....Plus, obviously, he [Cameron] represents our one chance of a referendum on leaving the EU.

    Well, quite. Hannan is that rare thing: a rational BOOer.
    And I wonder at what point Hannan will realise that Cameron will keep us in the EU no matter what. His position within the Tory party will become untenable before we reach referendum day.
    Richard, you don't know the way that Cameron thinks.

    The one thing that he will not sacrifice is the Tory Party: he doesn't want to go down in history as the man who split it.

    If he can't carry 2/3 of his party with him (i.e. supporting staying in on renegotiated terms) he will support 'out'.
    That is an interesting thought Charles. Until now I had been with Richard on this (i.e. Cameron will never accept leaving the EU) but you are right he has consistently prioritized party unity over his preferred EU policy in the past (i.e. when he was forced to concede the referendum) and he might well do so again.
    Yep. I wrote about that at the time Cameron gave his speech:

    http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/01/26/davd-herson-cameron-must-be-clear-that-he-might-vote-no/

    Basically, if Cameron can't carry his party on the deal on offer, he'll be stuffed unless he walks on the negotiations. If he gets a deal, he'll have to back it - so he's got to make the call while the talks are on as to whether it's saleable or not.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Omnium said:

    Why on earth is Ed apologising for being photographed with a copy of the Sun? I suspect almost everyone in the country has purchased a copy at one time or another. (Even I have - once I think).

    If Ed does become PM he'll need to be a little less sensitive to this sort of thing. Perhaps it makes him more human and likeable to be pussy-footing about, but it also substantially damages the confidence that one might choose to place in him.

    I'm sure it's an aberration, but it really has struck me as one of the oddest things he's done. (And as he is a bit odd, mostly in good ways, then that's quite an achievement)

    Story here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27829958

    Scroll down to see Cameron, Bojo and Farage managing to look normal with a newspaper by pretending to read it.

    ed's intellectual self-confidence comes to the fore again.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    ISIS-linked group claims responsibility for kidnapping three Israeli teens...
    http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/1.598630
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Spain will not forget this night.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    This is getting utterly embarrassing for Spain.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I will make a profit of £22 tonight on a £5 bet so thanks Holland.
  • Phenomenal betting turnover on the Spain vs Netherlands game with over £21M matched so far on Betfair.
    Instead of betting on the football, perhaps instead we should be buying shares in the betting exchange as well as in the likes of Hills, Ladbrokes, etc.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    AndyJS said:

    I will make a profit of £22 tonight on a £5 bet so thanks Holland.

    Spend it well.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,903



    (..)

    Perhaps they should have taken a leaf out of Mountbatten's book. At the end of WW2 after the Japanese surrendered, they were still the only effective police force across large areas of south-east Asia. Mountbatten recognised this and made use of the Japanese army as (usually unarmed) police. In a number of cases in Vietnam he actually rearmed Japanese troops and used them to help regain control of towns which had rebelled against the returning French rule.

    An interesting thing for Mountbatten to do. I believe he was decidedly frosty to the Japanese until he died wasn't he?

    However that isn't the same thing. A thin colonial force trying to supplant another thin colonial force.

    Iraq was an invasion of a sovereign nation by another (ok coalition of), and the goal was regime change. It's hard to see that this goal is dissimilar to the invasion of Germany or Japan.

    Something is different. My suspicion is that it may be something to do with the value of life that the invaded people have. The Germans and the Japanese had a huge incentive to regain that value of life, but the Iraqi's (many of them anyway) have never enjoyed a life that is worth fighting for. However this is mere conjecture, and I'm sure that there are many reasons.
  • A massive thank you to TSE for the football tips today.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    What is the record for the Dutch?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Another goal for Netherlands!
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Whoa 5-1 who'd have thought that?!?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    A massive thank you to TSE for the football tips today.

    My pleasure, my betting strategy is always back the outsider in the group games, there are always upsets and generally profitable.

    This is Dockside hooker when the fleet is in territory.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I lost £100 with the Newark by-election, I ought to confess.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Never forget Franco 1936 Spain!

    Never forget your neutrality 1939!

    Never forget you supported Argentina 1982!

    You're going down like the Belgrano glug glug glug!

    Most hated team lose - party time!
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Bragging Rights Post

    Me and Ms Briskin bet on Holland
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    Speedy said:

    What is the record for the Dutch?

    12-2, to the English amateur team in 1907, apparently.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    A massive thank you to TSE for the football tips today.

    My pleasure, my betting strategy is always back the outsider in the group games, there are always upsets and generally profitable.

    This is Dockside hooker when the fleet is in territory.
    No when 2 fleets are in ;)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Thanks to TSE for the tips.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    So will Casillas be dropped for the next game?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    RodCrosby said:

    ISIS-linked group claims responsibility for kidnapping three Israeli teens...
    http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/1.598630

    Israel is afraid about Jordan and the Golan but so far this ISIS thing has only increased the anti palestinian feelings.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    As I won't be onsite until tomorrow evening, my football tips for tomorrow are

    Greece to beat Colombia, Costa Rica to beat Uruguay.

    I've backed Italy to win tomorrow, I'll probably back England just before the start of the match, if you have the mobile apps for the bookies, they generally do a price boost an hour or so before kick off.

    Also backed Gary Cahill as FGS, you can still get 40/1.

    Tempted to back Gerrard too, if England get a penalty, he'll be our penalty taker.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    #5pa1n
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited June 2014
    Also I backed Australia to win tonight as well ICYMI, even if they don't win, will still be a profitable night.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    The Ave It Memorial Post:

    Cons = NED, Lab = SPN

    LibDems = match officials in Brazil v Croatia.....
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Much cheering and hooting of car horns in the street here.
    Spain must be losing :)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,146
    edited June 2014
    Those were the days.

    OptaJoe ‏@OptaJoe 2 mins
    5 - Spain have conceded 5+ goals in an international for the first time since losing 6-2 to Scotland in June 1963. Gubbed.

    Irvine Welsh ‏@WelshIrvine 3 mins
    The pain in Spain lies mainly in the game...
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    @NateSilver538: The last time Spain conceded 5+ goals was June 13, 1963, in a friendly against Scotland.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Holland were 5.5 just before the match started.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    Those were the days.

    OptaJoe ‏@OptaJoe 2 mins
    5 - Spain have conceded 5+ goals in an international for the first time since losing 6-2 to Scotland in June 1963. Gubbed.

    And four years later, you became World Champions.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,816
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RodCrosby said:

    18.21
    ISIS have tweeted the decapitated head of what appears to be an Iraqi policeman with the sentence 'This is our football, it's made of skin #World Cup', followed by a boast of having slaughtered 1,700 soldiers.

    They truly do fit the description of TERRORists.
    But these are the people we've been turning a blind eye to in Syria, because they've been attacking a Government we want to topple. Their actions in Syria have been exactly the same.
    You're getting your ad-Dawlat al-Islāmiyya fī’l-‘Irāq wa’sh-Shām and Jabhat an-Nuṣrah li-Ahl ash-Shām mixed up.
    No, I'm not. I do follow the Syria situation quite closely, and I'm aware of the different designations, and who their key sponsors are (in this case Saudi Arabia). I'm not sure what you would call what we've been turning to ISIS if not a blind eye.
  • woody662woody662 Posts: 255
    Broken Sleazy Spain on the slide
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    AndyJS said:

    Holland were 5.5 just before the match started.

    Presumably even higher when Spain went one up....

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited June 2014
    Also, another tip, this is a good time to back Spain to win the cup outright, they are high as 11/1

    Decent trading bet, even if they finish second in the group, they will play Brazil in the next round, and I can still see Spain winning that.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Although, we have probably seen the most embarrassing attempt at a celebratory high-five from the Netherlands.....
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Time to kick Espana out of EU until they deal with their 50% unemployed spongers
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Holland were 5.5 just before the match started.

    Presumably even higher when Spain went one up....

    Around 20 I think.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    The Ave It Memorial Post:

    Cons = NED, Lab = SPN

    LibDems = match officials in Brazil v Croatia.....

    LOL like Lab Spain will never win again!!!!!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,146

    Those were the days.

    OptaJoe ‏@OptaJoe 2 mins
    5 - Spain have conceded 5+ goals in an international for the first time since losing 6-2 to Scotland in June 1963. Gubbed.

    And four years later, you became World Champions.
    Baxtered had an entirely different meaning in those days.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Ave_it said:

    The Ave It Memorial Post:

    Cons = NED, Lab = SPN

    LibDems = match officials in Brazil v Croatia.....

    LOL like Lab Spain will never win again!!!!!
    Re Ed's problem with The Sun and Liverpool, this now means, Bootle is a nailed on Con GAIN right?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Ave_it!!!!!!! The man who is always on a hat-trick!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    Those were the days.

    OptaJoe ‏@OptaJoe 2 mins
    5 - Spain have conceded 5+ goals in an international for the first time since losing 6-2 to Scotland in June 1963. Gubbed.

    And four years later, you became World Champions.
    Baxtered had an entirely different meaning in those days.

    Haha
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Time to rescind Del Bosque's marquisate!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Also backed the Netherlands at 14/1 to win the Coupe du Monde.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    That is a horrible goal difference for Spain to be carrying.......
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937



    Re Ed's problem with The Sun and Liverpool, this now means, Bootle is a nailed on Con GAIN right?

    With Blair Minor the likely Labour candidate in Bootle, could there be a better result on the night?

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959



    Re Ed's problem with The Sun and Liverpool, this now means, Bootle is a nailed on Con GAIN right?

    With Blair Minor the likely Labour candidate in Bootle, could there be a better result on the night?

    Con gain Morley and Outwood would be the ultimate.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    All about the 1485 Armada!

    And Trafalgar 1805!

    and culloden 1745 (sorry got confused that's 18 September :) )

  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Lib Dems lengthening in Colchester (LD Maj = 6,982)

    LD 2/9 (from 1/5)
    Con 3/1 (from 7/2)
    UKIP 33/1 (from 66/1)
    Lab 50/1 (n/c)

    From my experience Sir Bob works hard for his constituents and will take some digging out.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Oop Holland!

    The best team to never win the cup. They took out Brazil in 2010...
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189



    Re Ed's problem with The Sun and Liverpool, this now means, Bootle is a nailed on Con GAIN right?

    With Blair Minor the likely Labour candidate in Bootle, could there be a better result on the night?

    Con gain Morley and Outwood would be the ultimate.
    Castration strategy!!
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    TSE etc of course Bootle was con gain anyway!

  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834

    That is a horrible goal difference for Spain to be carrying.......

    Don't the head-to-head results count first?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Holland or Hollande - what a difference an e can make.....
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    Ave_it said:

    All about the 1485 Armada!

    And Trafalgar 1805!

    and culloden 1745 (sorry got confused that's 18 September :) )

    1485? Were those traitorous Lancastrians funded by the Spanish?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    That is a horrible goal difference for Spain to be carrying.......

    Don't the head-to-head results count first?
    See here

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2061793-brazil-world-cup-2014-clarifying-group-tie-break-scenarios-and-rules
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