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  • JohnWheatleyJohnWheatley Posts: 141
    On topic All other than Farron are either

    a) Tarnished (Laws, Alexander,Huhne)
    b) Too old (Cable)
    c) Too obviously lightweight (Davey)

    Farron will struggle in the job as he is not subtle enough, but will pass the Boris test - namely he will come over as a real person and not a robot pace Clegg and Milliband

    Off topic - UKIP ahead of Tories, Lib Dems <5%


  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,441
    edited May 2013
    tim said:

    This is fun

    See if you can fix what's broken in a v important relationship before you break the relationship.

    I think that refers more to Obama's relationship with the UK ; and he doesn't really give a shit.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited May 2013
    tim said:

    I'm guessing ICM may confirm that UKIP not being able to afford Lynton Crosby was irrelevant.

    He's done their job for them while the Tories pay him

    Isn't that another one of your many questionable 'facts'?


  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    Socrates said:

    Obama agrees the EU is broken?

    Interesting.

    Yes, you are right, that is quite extraordinary.

    However, the Americans have been hinting quite heavily for some time that they think the EU (or Eurozone) should get its act together, so I imagine it is frustration at the lack of progress in addressing the Eurozone crisis.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,667
    The UK's membership of the EU may be more important to the US than it is to the UK - discuss
  • Well, if the saintly Obama says the EU is broken, then I guess it really is time for a renegotiation. Surely Dan Hodges will be along soon, to tell us this is bad news for Milliband?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    I will shortly be going to my first UKIP branch meeting tonight. So I hope that the jaw dropping stuff will end in smiles for us.
  • MarchesMarches Posts: 51
    It's not a discuss, it's a given. We provide a liberal free trade argument within the EU which, if we were not there, the Germans plus one or two hangers on, would struggle to support. Instead the US fears that there'd be the triumph of "managed trade".
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413

    The UK's membership of the EU may be more important to the US than it is to the UK - discuss

    Interesting observation. And perhaps to Germany as well.

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Yes, you are right, that is quite extraordinary.

    Did Obama say 'fix what is broken' or 'fix what you think is broken?'

    Interesting distinction
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,441
    tim said:
    Obama would just be as overhyped as he's always been.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Marches said:

    It's not a discuss, it's a given. We provide a liberal free trade argument within the EU which, if we were not there, the Germans plus one or two hangers on, would struggle to support. Instead the US fears that there'd be the triumph of "managed trade".

    The US is still thinking it can get a free trade deal with the EU. It doesn't realise how hard the French will work to squish it, and it requires unanimous agreement.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    But Mike - are you the right demograhpic for Ukip?
    MikeK said:

    I will shortly be going to my first UKIP branch meeting tonight. So I hope that the jaw dropping stuff will end in smiles for us.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,939

    The UK's membership of the EU may be more important to the US than it is to the UK - discuss

    Not sure that is right. Once upon a time in the cold war it was very important to the US that the UK help keep the more flaky elements of the European allies in line and warn them of issues arising.

    I suspect they just don't care anymore. The US is focussed on the Pacific and rightly so. If the last 200 or 300 years have been focussed on the atlantic this century is where the pacific will see the action.

    What is concerning them at the moment is that the EU is not buying enough US goods and services because they are in a depression. This means more US workers out of a job and some balance of payment issues. Can the UK help with that? Not really. They no longer have any strategic interest in europe.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Perhaps Mr Obama should attend an EU conference - suspect he would retreat to simpler topics such as Syria.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774

    The UK's membership of the EU may be more important to the US than it is to the UK - discuss

    Interesting observation. And perhaps to Germany as well.

    It was once said by a German, that The UK should take up her rightful place as the 51st of America, and both The UK and The EU would all be happy.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    taffys said:

    Yes, you are right, that is quite extraordinary.

    Did Obama say 'fix what is broken' or 'fix what you think is broken?'

    Interesting distinction

    He said "fix what's broken".

    Maybe this could swing to Cameron's advantage, if the POTUS is saying the place is broken, then European heads might feel it's not just British whinging.

    Still, I can't ever see the EU agreeing to allow bilateral trade deals, which has been the more broken part of the EU since the very beginning. Virtually every other trade bloc in the world has an open arrangement, it's just the EU that feels it has to control its members. If Cameron gets that, he'll change a lot of minds.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,850
    Obama should keep his nose out. The EU and UK has nothing to do with him.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    But Mike - are you the right demograhpic for Ukip?

    MikeK said:

    I will shortly be going to my first UKIP branch meeting tonight. So I hope that the jaw dropping stuff will end in smiles for us.

    But Mike! Didn't you know that like the hydra, I'm multicultural?

  • TwistedFireStopperTwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    edited May 2013
    On topic, I think the Lib Dems will want someone in charge who is attractive to the Labour party. Come 2015, they'll be in coalition with Labour, and grooving to Ed Milliband's beat. I guess that rules out the likes of Laws (tainted by expenses, anyway) and Alexander (tainted by Osborne)
    So, Farron it is, then.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    tim said:

    Guardian politics ‏@GdnPolitics
    Gordon Brown: Conservatives close to being 'Powellite' on immigration http://bit.ly/19jp9ra

    Now that would make a good thread.
    Powellites praising Brown, denying it, sulking?

    OMG ! Brown was speaking without being paid !
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,888

    The UK's membership of the EU may be more important to the US than it is to the UK - discuss

    Interesting observation. And perhaps to Germany as well.

    It was once said by a German, that The UK should take up her rightful place as the 51st of America, and both The UK and The EU would all be happy.
    That sounds more like something a Frenchman would say.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    The UK's membership of the EU may be more important to the US than it is to the UK - discuss

    Interesting observation. And perhaps to Germany as well.

    It was once said by a German, that The UK should take up her rightful place as the 51st of America, and both The UK and The EU would all be happy.
    Ahem. 51st to 54th!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774

    The UK's membership of the EU may be more important to the US than it is to the UK - discuss

    Interesting observation. And perhaps to Germany as well.

    It was once said by a German, that The UK should take up her rightful place as the 51st of America, and both The UK and The EU would all be happy.
    That sounds more like something a Frenchman would say.
    There was a time when the French and the Germans were indivisible when it came to the EU.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774
    TGOHF said:

    tim said:

    Guardian politics ‏@GdnPolitics
    Gordon Brown: Conservatives close to being 'Powellite' on immigration http://bit.ly/19jp9ra

    Now that would make a good thread.
    Powellites praising Brown, denying it, sulking?

    OMG ! Brown was speaking without being paid !
    My irony meters needs fixing, the man who used the BNP dog whistle of British Jobs for British Workers critcising others on immigration.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774
    As someone who is relaxed with prisoners voting.

    I say huzzah to Alan Miller

    Scottish independence vote should include inmates says human rights chief

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/scottish-independence-blog/2013/may/13/scottish-independence-prisoner-votes-alanmiller
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Gordon British Jobs for British Workers Brown.

    Gordon Brown was wrong to brand pensioner Gillian Duffy a bigot because of her concerns over immigration, Ed Miliband said.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gordon-browns-bigot-remark-was-wrong-says-ed-miliband-7961559.html
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    By population the UK would have roughly the same number of college votes as California and Texas combined (the two largest states by population)

    It would be a big player..
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    edited May 2013
    I thought that you might be a bit young for Ukip
    MikeK said:

    But Mike - are you the right demograhpic for Ukip?

    MikeK said:

    I will shortly be going to my first UKIP branch meeting tonight. So I hope that the jaw dropping stuff will end in smiles for us.

    But Mike! Didn't you know that like the hydra, I'm multicultural?

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    A party divided on Europe and a leader too weak to sort out activists agitating for a referendum and unruly cabinet members.

    Yes, it's One Nation Labour (sic)

    http://labourlist.org/2013/05/who-are-labour-for-a-referendum/

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/05/labours-internal-battle-tale-two-eds-both-called-miliband
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    How weird to stumble by and look on tim's 1-eyed tweeting on the Obama/Dave event and compare to these.. TTFN

    Tom Newton Dunn‏@tnewtondunn4m
    No10 are over the moon with the Obama endorsement. Senior source: "Most powerful man on earth supports PM's position on EU".

    James Chapman (Mail)‏@jameschappers17m
    My spy in Washington reports PM's entourage 'beaming from ear to ear' after Obama endorsed Dave's renegotiate/referendum strategy on EU

    norman smith‏@BBCNormanS30m
    Obama offers support for Cameron EU strategy. "You want to see if u can fix what's broken before u break it off"

    Michael Savage‏@michaelsavage31m
    Cameron looks calm, but he's secretly fighting the urge to kiss Obama

    Patrick Wintour‏@patrickwintour33m
    Obama comes to Cameron's aid on EU "You probably wanna see if you can fix what's broken in a relationship before you break it off".

    Tom Newton Dunn‏@tnewtondunn32m
    Obama digs Cameron out of massive hole by endorsing his EU renegotiation/referendum plan. A big shift in US policy from full opposition.

    James Chapman (Mail)‏@jameschappers29m
    @DAlexanderMP he also appeared to endorse the renegotiate/referendum strategy, don't you think?

    Tim Shipman‏@ShippersUnbound27m
    I wonder what Cameron offered Obama in exchange for that answer on Europe? RAF raids on Congress? Coke and hookers?

    Iain Martin‏@iainmartin123m
    Obama endorses Cam policy on EU. But surely public watching news will pay more attention to MP Nigel Torybackbench with his paving motion?


    There's always too much positivity though...

    James Chapman (Mail)‏@jameschappers4m
    No10 should be careful not to overdo glee at Obama's backing over EU. Risks further inflaming hardcore Eurosceps who don't much like Barack
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Spectator_CH: From @JGForsyth: Barack Obama appears happy to help a leader in a spot of bother http://specc.ie/10lRUT4
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    tim said:

    Guardian politics ‏@GdnPolitics
    Gordon Brown: Conservatives close to being 'Powellite' on immigration http://bit.ly/19jp9ra

    Now that would make a good thread.
    Powellites praising Brown, denying it, sulking?

    He thinks little old ladies are bigots.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    I wonder what Cameron offered Obama in exchange for that answer on Europe? RAF raids on Congress? Coke and hookers?

    Prince Harry's hand in marriage for a family member?
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited May 2013
    sam said:

    "Jaw dropping" could be UKIP going down!

    Nah. UKIP just polled higher than the Conservatives is all. Nothing unexpected.

    In other news, Pickfords van seen at Downing Street.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,850
    Welcome back, Mr. Scrapheap :)
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    tim said:

    Pleased to see the PB Tories revert to regarding Powellite as an insult.
    About time

    The ultimate insult is still Brownite.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    taffys said:

    By population the UK would have roughly the same number of college votes as California and Texas combined (the two largest states by population)

    It would be a big player..

    you mean we'd get an upgrade from the candidates' wives who usually come across for a couple of fundraisers?

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Wasn;t Dave pretty nice to Barry before the US election? 'deeply reasonable, deeply rational.....'
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Hodges has a pal.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/05/labours-internal-battle-tale-two-eds-both-called-miliband

    " Ed Miliband is entering very dangerous territory. If the opinion polls stay as stuck as they are, the weakness of the government will no longer be a source of confidence for the opposition. Instead it will be a catalyst for panic."
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    tim said:

    TGOHF said:

    tim said:

    Pleased to see the PB Tories revert to regarding Powellite as an insult.
    About time

    The ultimate insult is still Brownite.

    In PB Toryworld.
    But's that why the PB Tories got the last election so badly wrong.
    29% agreed with you.
  • Looking forward to having "jaw dropping" defined. Can only mean a big rise for UKIP surely? But will it be cleggasm type non-voters, tories en-masse or the Labour half of the working class vote moving the numbers?
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Charles said:

    taffys said:

    By population the UK would have roughly the same number of college votes as California and Texas combined (the two largest states by population)

    It would be a big player..

    you mean we'd get an upgrade from the candidates' wives who usually come across for a couple of fundraisers?

    Mitt Romney campaigned in London last year. That's more than a lot of US states got.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,963
    Socrates said:

    The UK's membership of the EU may be more important to the US than it is to the UK - discuss

    Interesting observation. And perhaps to Germany as well.

    It was once said by a German, that The UK should take up her rightful place as the 51st of America, and both The UK and The EU would all be happy.
    Ahem. 51st to 54th!
    Or America should just take her rightful place in the Commonwealth?

    :)
  • MillsyMillsy Posts: 900
    For an ICM poll I expect jaw-dropping will be Ukip will move ahead of the Lib Dems. Will be more interesting to see how much Labour and Tories move
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Tony Blair 1997 polled 13.5M votes
    Gordon Brown 2010 polled 8,6 M votes
    Mr Howard 2005 polled 8.8M votes

    Brownite = disaster.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774
    Barack Obama backs David Cameron over 'fixing' UK's relationship with EU

    US president supports strategy of seeking reform of European Union before staging referendum on membership

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/13/barack-obama-david-cameron-uk
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    The UK's membership of the EU may be more important to the US than it is to the UK - discuss

    Interesting observation. And perhaps to Germany as well.

    It was once said by a German, that The UK should take up her rightful place as the 51st of America, and both The UK and The EU would all be happy.
    Ahem. 51st to 54th!
    Or America should just take her rightful place in the Commonwealth?

    :)
    "We must never cease to proclaim in fearless tones the great principles of freedom and the rights of man which are the joint inheritance of the English-speaking world and which through Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights, the Habeas Corpus, trial by jury, and the English common law find their most famous expression in the American Declaration of Independence."

    -- Winston Churcill.

    We don't need monarchical tyranny. Wilkes and liberty!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Barack Obama speaks for the USA. His view on what Britain should do should be understood from that perspective. I'm sure David Cameron was delighted with his intervention, but the USA's interest and Britain's interest are not always identical.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,963
    taffys said:

    By population the UK would have roughly the same number of college votes as California and Texas combined (the two largest states by population)

    It would be a big player..

    England would have 73 House seats, Scotland 7, Wales 4 and NI 3.
    UK as a whole would have sufficient population (compared with the current USA) to justify 20 Senators, though I guess with States it would only get 8 (two per state)!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774
    edited May 2013
    Feck me, Martin Boon was right

    ICM

    Labour 34 -4

    Tories 28 - 4

    LD 11 - 4

    UKIP 18 + 9

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/13/farage-factor-ukip-support-record
  • "Nigel Farage's party has surged from its previous record best with ICM, the 9% it notched up in April, to 18% after its council election victories last week.

    Labour, the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats have been left reeling, with all shedding four points on the month to 34%, 28% and 11% respectively."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/13/farage-factor-ukip-support-record
  • samsam Posts: 727
    tim said:

    TGOHF said:

    tim said:

    Pleased to see the PB Tories revert to regarding Powellite as an insult.
    About time

    The ultimate insult is still Brownite.

    In PB Toryworld.
    But's that why the PB Tories got the last election so badly wrong.
    Puts me in an awkward position, I voted for Brown!

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,963
    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    The UK's membership of the EU may be more important to the US than it is to the UK - discuss

    Interesting observation. And perhaps to Germany as well.

    It was once said by a German, that The UK should take up her rightful place as the 51st of America, and both The UK and The EU would all be happy.
    Ahem. 51st to 54th!
    Or America should just take her rightful place in the Commonwealth?

    :)
    "We must never cease to proclaim in fearless tones the great principles of freedom and the rights of man which are the joint inheritance of the English-speaking world and which through Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights, the Habeas Corpus, trial by jury, and the English common law find their most famous expression in the American Declaration of Independence."

    -- Winston Churcill.

    We don't need monarchical tyranny. Wilkes and liberty!
    You forgot my "Potomac Compromise of 1776"! And Monarchies can always be constitutional!
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    Interesting poll, but my jaw remains undropped.
  • holy mother of god

    The forces of hell are being untethered ....
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    I thought that you might be a bit young for Ukip


    MikeK said:

    But Mike - are you the right demograhpic for Ukip?

    MikeK said:

    I will shortly be going to my first UKIP branch meeting tonight. So I hope that the jaw dropping stuff will end in smiles for us.

    But Mike! Didn't you know that like the hydra, I'm multicultural?

    This sort of excitement keeps me young. The same sort frizz as when I joined the YCL at the age of 15. 190º turn. Thats life. ;)

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    How's that 35% strategy going for rEd ?

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    taffys said:

    By population the UK would have roughly the same number of college votes as California and Texas combined (the two largest states by population)

    It would be a big player..

    England would have 73 House seats, Scotland 7, Wales 4 and NI 3.
    UK as a whole would have sufficient population (compared with the current USA) to justify 20 Senators, though I guess with States it would only get 8 (two per state)!
    That means in the electoral college for the presidency, England would be worth as much as Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Colorado and New Hampshire combined.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    LD+LAB = 45 (-6)
    CON+ UKIP = 46 (+5)

    All from the blues eh ?
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited May 2013
    A plague on everyone's houses!

    And all those voices telling us that UKIP would have no effect on Labour.

    The Left is being slowly squeezed...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774
    After weeks of publicity for Ukip's leader, a "Farage factor" is clearly evident in the personal leadership ratings. Last month voters were split down the middle on his performance – 28% saying he was doing a good job; 29% a bad job – giving a net negative score of –1.

    Today, the balance of opinion is running 40%-23% in his favour, a net positive of +17. Meanwhile, David Cameron hits a new personal low of –15, and Ed Miliband picks up only one from the even more dismal record of -23 which he set last month, to stand at –22.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    tim said:

    ICM

    Lab Maj 66
    UKIP seats = 0

    Never mind tim. keep hoping. ;)

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    My views of remoteness seem vindicated.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Interesting poll, but my jaw remains undropped.

    Thats because you are dead and your jaw is tied up.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    I have long been assuming that UKIP's vote would crumble due to First Past the Post. But if they go above 20% we are truly in uncharted territory, and the Tories "it's a wasted vote" argument will be a lot weaker.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,963

    Feck me, Martin Boon was right

    ICM

    Labour 34 -4

    Tories 28 - 4

    LD 11 - 4

    UKIP 18 + 9

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/13/farage-factor-ukip-support-record

    Utterly jaw-dropping!
    ICM/The Sunil:

    Tories/UKIP 46 (+5)
    Euroholics 45 (-8)
  • CCHQ have done everything in their power to make sure Tim Farron is the next leader of the Lib Dems. That is not altruism.

    Police enquiries are still continuing about the fate of 112, Highgate in Kendal, once the Conservative HQ in Westmorland and Lonsdale.

    Tim Farron offered me a job. I didn't accept.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774
    I haven't seen the polls shift this much in such a short space of time since the election that never was or the Cleggasm.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774
    Big thanks to Martin Boon for delivering a poll that lived up to the hype.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    ICM for Guardian has CON 28-4, LAB 34-4, LD 11-4, Ukip 18+9.

    The harsh fact is that Con Lab, Lib are divided parties and are being punished by the voters...
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    ICM: The key bit is this:

    For all three established parties to be falling substantially at the same time is unprecedented in the 29-year history of the Guardian/ICM series.

    But that's only because one of them, the normal recipient of protest votes, is in government. It's not unprecedented for voters unhappy with both the government and opposition, or simply riding a fad, to land upon some other party for a mid-term protest.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,939
    So the rise of UKIP hits Labour as hard as the tories and the Lib Dems edge towards oblivion. Labour + tories = 62%.

    I think the next election is going to be interesting. It seems very likely that there will be a greater percentage of the vote up for grabs and uncommitted than we have seen in a long time. All to play for and with a recovering economy some hope for the tories.

    These results seem much more in line with the adjusted shares from the locals than the tosh we get from You gov. But Labour supporters can go on believing an 11% lead if it makes them feel better.
  • For the three "main parties" that has to be the lowest combined polling score with ICM ever? Maybe when the Greens had a surge after Chernobyl would be close? Or the last Euros when UKIP, BNP and Green did well.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774
    New Thread
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,667
    3x4=12
    UKIP is+9

    Where have the other 3 gone? For "others" that would seem a pretty big move as well.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    The UK's membership of the EU may be more important to the US than it is to the UK - discuss

    Interesting observation. And perhaps to Germany as well.

    It was once said by a German, that The UK should take up her rightful place as the 51st of America, and both The UK and The EU would all be happy.
    Ahem. 51st to 54th!
    Or America should just take her rightful place in the Commonwealth?

    :)
    "We must never cease to proclaim in fearless tones the great principles of freedom and the rights of man which are the joint inheritance of the English-speaking world and which through Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights, the Habeas Corpus, trial by jury, and the English common law find their most famous expression in the American Declaration of Independence."

    -- Winston Churcill.

    We don't need monarchical tyranny. Wilkes and liberty!
    You forgot my "Potomac Compromise of 1776"! And Monarchies can always be constitutional!

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    The UK's membership of the EU may be more important to the US than it is to the UK - discuss

    Interesting observation. And perhaps to Germany as well.

    It was once said by a German, that The UK should take up her rightful place as the 51st of America, and both The UK and The EU would all be happy.
    Ahem. 51st to 54th!
    Or America should just take her rightful place in the Commonwealth?

    :)
    "We must never cease to proclaim in fearless tones the great principles of freedom and the rights of man which are the joint inheritance of the English-speaking world and which through Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights, the Habeas Corpus, trial by jury, and the English common law find their most famous expression in the American Declaration of Independence."

    -- Winston Churcill.

    We don't need monarchical tyranny. Wilkes and liberty!
    You forgot my "Potomac Compromise of 1776"! And Monarchies can always be constitutional!
    What is the Potomac Compromise? Monarchies can indeed be constitutional, but they still go against the notion that all men are created equal.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Socrates said:

    Charles said:

    taffys said:

    By population the UK would have roughly the same number of college votes as California and Texas combined (the two largest states by population)

    It would be a big player..

    you mean we'd get an upgrade from the candidates' wives who usually come across for a couple of fundraisers?

    Mitt Romney campaigned in London last year. That's more than a lot of US states got.
    More fundraising than really campaigning. Was invited to meet him at a couple of things but decided not to go in the end - wasn't worth the pain of reorganising my diary. But he was the first in donkey's years
  • PBModeratorPBModerator Posts: 664
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  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited May 2013
    "If Clegg does move on my money would now be on Tim Farron

    He had a good Reynard-gate and Vote2013 aftermath"


    He's been the most credible lib dem on the media for quite some time. Of course that isn't saying too much but Farron is always out there when the other leadership hopefuls just don't seem to be in it.

    Bar one.

    Those who think Vince isn't interested just because the twit Gove waded in, should perhaps read this.
    Vince Cable: I could still lead Liberal Democrats at 70

    Vince Cable has no intention of doing an Alex Ferguson - the Business Secretary turned 70 on Thursday but retirement is the last thing on his mind.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberaldemocrats/10051591/Vince-Cable-I-could-still-lead-Liberal-Democrats-at-70.html
    Clegg still seems to be ensconced in a bubble insisting he's "still in the saddle" after the lib dems took yet another big hit on their base in the council elections, but that base knows what is happening and it's extremely unlikely they will be fine with the suicidal notion of a toxic Clegg leading the election campaign in 2015.

    No doubt the Cameroon spinners are praying Clegg will lead the lib dems into the election considering all those lib dem tory battlegrounds.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,963
    edited May 2013
    Socrates said:


    What is the Potomac Compromise?

    Just a bit of alternate history, Socrates!
    I'm undecided whether it should be full representation at Westminster, or a maybe a Austro-Hungarian style dual-monarchy.

    Of course if I were King-Emperor, the British Empire/Commonwealth would be a fully democratic federation open to all English-speaking territories and even all territories liberated/occupied/administered by the UK and US throughout "real" history (yes, I have collated a list of them after several Wiki-browses!)

    sincerely,

    His Britanno-American Majesty, Emperor Sunil I.
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